tower spawns nerf + magikill buff/nerf

[spring canyon]

Deads tower spawn:
Takes 1-3 mana for each dead summoned

Spearton tower spawn:
Takes 10-20 mana for each spearton summoned

Magikill:
Summoning a minion takes 2-5 mana
Fulminate cooldown to 4 seconds
Fulminate burn ticks increased by 1
Total max minion limit per player (not per magikill, that still has 2 max minions) to 6
Fulminate is now mobile instead of being fixed in one spot
Cost to 350/350

Extras:
You can't have both tower spawns in one deck
You can now disable minion summoning and disable/change tower spawns summoning
For example, you can stop 2 magikill from summoning minions while one can still summon minions
You can set spiriton spawn to summon only 1-2 spears each summon instead of 4 even if it's fully upgraded
You can straight up un-tower spawn the deads tower spawn and completely disable it from summoning deads

For magikill, there is a number above the minion summon button, the number changes from 2 - 1 - 0
2 makes the magikill summon like normal
1 makes the magikill summon only a maximum of 1 minion
0 completely disables the magikill from summoning minions

For tower spawns, when you hold down the tower spawn card in the battle, it will sort of pop up numbers from the center tower, the numbers are:
0 - 1 - 2 - 4 on max level
0 - 1 - 2 on level 2
0 - 1 on level 1

0 disables the tower spawn
1 summons 1 each summon
2 summons 2 each summon
4 summons 4 each summon

[elfin sphinx]

Hehe

Before you ping

[spring canyon]

@queen rune @lilac jetty @steep orbit balance change time

[stiff lance]

best way to let someone suffer

[spring canyon]

@dense root

[elfin sphinx]

Can you explain how is this buff to magikill?

Oh wait XD

I skipped one part

[spring canyon]

I decreased their fulminate cooldown and increased their total burn damage

[elfin sphinx]

I don't like the idea of it taking away mana

Like, magikill are alr late game

So it doesn't even matter

[spring canyon]

Hello striker

[elfin sphinx]

You're alr gonna have many miners on crystal

I mean, it's not big amount of cost, but still

[glossy violet]

6 minions for 1 magikill? Yes, they will have a cost, but 6? Maybe 3-4?

[elfin sphinx]

There's reason it costs 400/400

[elfin sphinx]

Oh and that

[spring canyon]

I worded that very wrong

VERY wrong

[glossy violet]

Hello

[elfin sphinx]

Too late

[spring canyon]

I meant 6 max minions as in 6 in total

[elfin sphinx]

What

[spring canyon]

2 for each magikill
6 maximum in total, no matter how many magiks you have

[elfin sphinx]

Like per player?

[glossy violet]

6 minions in total

[spring canyon]

Ye

[glossy violet]

Than 10-15

[elfin sphinx]

Ok, that's gonna make magikill useless

[spring canyon]

Fulminate

Fulminate exists for a reason

[elfin sphinx]

Just remove minions at this point

[spring canyon]

That's also an option

[elfin sphinx]

What's 400/400 about then

[spring canyon]

Should I buff fulminate even more?

[elfin sphinx]

Magikill just costs too much

[glossy violet]

Maybe 12 minions? Without fulminate buff?

[elfin sphinx]

It's like 1200 gold

[glossy violet]

Or 10

[spring canyon]

No

I want magikill spam GONE

I want to burn it down

I want to nuke it

[elfin sphinx]

Just make range flexible

[spring canyon]

I don't want magikill minion spam anymore

[elfin sphinx]

Nooo

[spring canyon]

Okay 👍

[elfin sphinx]

My beloved

[stiff lance]

no more free meatshields

[glossy violet]

In your Magikill rework even 1 magikill have 6 minions

[elfin sphinx]

Why not make magikills fulminate buff and population increase instead of nerfing amount of minions?

[glossy violet]

But you made a spawn cost for them, then you can make at least 10 of them

[spring canyon]

I worded that wrongly

I edited it now

[glossy violet]

Too little, 8-10 minions

For player

[spring canyon]

Nuh uh

That's enough for magikill minion spam

[glossy violet]

Nah

Too little

[spring canyon]

Enough

I buffed their fulminate

[glossy violet]

Sorry, but I don't want a complete lack of impact from minions, but at the same time a destroying fulminate

[stiff lance]

holy magikill actually being magikill

[spring canyon]

I didn't even buff fulminate that much

Also why is no one talking about the tower spawns nerf?

[glossy violet]

Good idea, i guess

[stiff lance]

cuz it is gud

[glossy violet]

Well, then you need to make them cheaper, probably, but moving fulminate means that it will be harder to dodge it

[spring canyon]

Okay

[glossy violet]

Maybe okay, but idk

[glossy violet]

Minions spawn cost... Everyone's going to turn off the minion autocast, do you understand that

[spring canyon]

Good enough for me

[woeful jasper]

Oh yeah let's make researches that are entirely dependent on owning the tower (and for long) even weaker.
Upgrades that, without that, take up spaces and are entirely useless

[spring canyon]

Tower spawns rn are OP

Especially the spiriton spawn

[woeful jasper]

It's strong, yeah, but not only it depends on you actually holding the tower (if you can't it's too bad), but you also have to wait 20 seconds AFTER the speariton dies before having another wave
Not counting that upgrading the research doesn't even do anything until the tower level matches the level

[spring canyon]

However, it is literally as cheap as the actual unit variant

Total cost of spearton tower spawn is the same as somewhere about 4 speartons

[glossy violet]

But you're not the only player in the world, and your opinion shouldn't completely change anything in the game. For example, I don't like speartons, but I don't want them removed, right? It's not, but I wrote it to make you understand

[spring canyon]

Minions are a curse upon stick war

[glossy violet]

Who decided that?

[spring canyon]

Literally just removing them and giving magiks another ability or buffing their fulminate would be better

[spring canyon]

A good amount of people

People HATE minions

[glossy violet]

You don't know how to play against them?

[woeful jasper]

that sound like a skill issue

[spring canyon]

I know how to play against them and how to play with them

[spring canyon]

If I said that egiants are OP, would you say that it's just a skill issue?

[woeful jasper]

Minions are only a real threat if I didn't prepared well against it. Otherwise I rarely had such an insurmountably painful time that I would ever want them removed

[glossy violet]

Well, it's not like that rn

[woeful jasper]

are they?

[spring canyon]

Yes

There's a stick war channel which has multiple videos of replays, and every single one of them proves that egiants are legitimately spammable generals

[woeful jasper]

Maybe he's just very good at the game

also channels tend to show replays of their victories only

[glossy violet]

35 damage, constant misses and the stun doesn't always work

[spring canyon]

He only needs 1 egiant to basically win the game

[spring canyon]

The stun always works, constant missing is most likely a bug, and the 35 damage is without catapult mode

[glossy violet]

Give me a link

[spring canyon]

I consider base egiants (without catapult mode) to be balanced, just need a slight attack speed nerf

[spring canyon]

https://youtube.com/@soloveyko0_0?si=IyauiRPNfBU_DncO

The most and probably the only OP thing about egiants is the catapult mode

[glossy violet]

Stun doesn't work, i saw how egiant threw a rock to enemy spearton, but spearton нe didn't fall, he just ran away, although the damage went through him

[spring canyon]

But it is so damn powerful that it just can't be ignored

[spring canyon]

That's a feature to prevent stun-lock

After getting stunned, the stunned unit can't get stunned for like 1-2 seconds

[glossy violet]

Good decision, thanks to devs

[woeful jasper]

good mechanic tbh

[glossy violet]

And what should it be in order to be in balance? Is that person abusing catapult mode?

[spring canyon]

Yes

To balance it, it should be monstrosity exclusive or just straight up deleted

[glossy violet]

Maybe just remove catapult mode?

[spring canyon]

That's what I said

Me before stun-lock prevention was added watching as my units become literally unable to do anything because of the constant 53 damage boulders:

[woeful jasper]

I actually didn't know ogiants had like, a siege mode? Is that what catapult mode is?

[spring canyon]

Yes

They get more range, splash, and damage at the cost id taking more damage and not being able to walk

[woeful jasper]

brings me back to the good ol siege tank time of SC1-2

[glossy violet]

Like siege tank from Starcraft

[woeful jasper]

How much splash are we talking

in terms of units affected

[spring canyon]

Idk

[spring canyon]

I think 4-5

[glossy violet]

U wrote that already

[spring canyon]

Which is 1 more than without catapult

They also get more splash damage

Enough splash damage to 2 shot archidons

And 3-4 shot eclipsors

[woeful jasper]

Well, good thing they cost 1500

[spring canyon]

Basically enough damage to just delete backlines

[woeful jasper]

eclipsors are fragile tho

and archidons

[spring canyon]

They can also do some devastating damage to tdeads

[woeful jasper]

If I were an archer I wouldn't survive a giant boulder

[spring canyon]

Which are TANKS

[glossy violet]

But this is not at all what it was in starcraft, in SW3 no one needs catapult mode, this is an unnecessary mechanic and moreover, stupidly animated

[woeful jasper]

I don't have enough experience with/against catapult mode to argue past the theory

so eh

[glossy violet]

You can take my word for it, everyone at SE was playing quietly without catapult mode, and no one complained

[spring canyon]

The 1 time I lost with egiants was against shadowripp, which can counter egiants, and I didn't have any other unit other than magiks which are too expensive for me to have killed their shadows

[spring canyon]

SE egiants didn't have splash damage

[woeful jasper]

I think that's what they were saying

no wait they just said "no catapult mode"

[spring canyon]

Sw3 egiants have splash damage even without catapult mode

[glossy violet]

Yes? I didn't notice it by the way

I gtg rn, bye

[woeful jasper]

bye

[cunning osprey]

My opinions on this matter:

Tower mana costs: Costing mana to spawn a unit is strange. So like to spawn four speartons i need to use 30 crystals per spawn right? I suppose that is a way to force players to manage their crystal resources a bit more but Im not sure how this will go so im on the meh

Magikill: just remove minions at that point man. Either that or force the player to choose between Minions or a buffed Fulminate as a spell in the Magikill card before entering the battle to allow players both worlds to use Magikill as they please. Maybe Buff Fulminate to the point that it can one shot minions? The costing crystal thing to summon minion is fine for me but i would rather still have all Magikill summon 2 minions each and not capped but instead perhaps have minions consume 1 population instead. That would mean that Magikill with minions is now 9 population. So my opinion on this is meh also.

Extra: They are all good so 👍 for me.

[dense root]

Interesting

But fulminate needs to stay the same

[spring canyon]

But minion nerf

[flint turtle]

Why would you want to limit the minion spawn

[spring canyon]

Because of magikill spam having enough minions as meatshields to be legitimate tanks for the magikill?

[flint turtle]

They are very soft

And magikill are stupid

[steep orbit]

🤔

Tower spawn things are fine

Me like

[flint turtle]

They get buried when against like 5 archidon

[steep orbit]

But uh... I don't like magikill rework

[flint turtle]

What does summoning 2 per summon do you good thou

[acoustic elbow]

no you youst cant deal with spam

[spring canyon]

What?

[spring canyon]

TP to top

[acoustic elbow]

point of free units upgrade=none if they cost spirit deads woud literaly die after this tremendaus upkeap speartons woudnt change mutch

[steep orbit]

[spring canyon]

It is 1 fcking mana for one spirit dead

That's literally 25 times cheaper than an actual dead

[acoustic elbow]

tremeandus

if it aint free it aint for mee (except cosmetics spent 178$ on that stuff)

[flint turtle]

What

[humble widget]

[spring canyon]

That's the first positive reaction I got on this post

[humble widget]

This makes the game less painful to play

Especially if u want to use these cards but still wanting to fight ur opponent properly

[humble widget]

The tower spawn mana thing also balance the fact that u gonna get infinite unit

This is basically saying to turtle

[spring canyon]

If tower spawn upgrade cost doesn't get nerfed

Then I'll make the spawning not free

[humble widget]

Anyway good idea

Idk why ppl hate it

[spring canyon]

Probably because of the nuke I dropped on magikill minions

[humble widget]

Magikill is

[flint turtle]

Magikill is bad

The ai is bad