Deads Speed Rework and more DeadsBefore you say anything Yes I'm repsosting they are highly needed

[final flume]

Deads are way to slow and can be picked off easy during a attack ,retreat etc. and also deads need their own tank and non general spell caster etc.
(Spearton Deads,Deadkai,Vole Deads)

Im also suggesting that deads have varying speeds
Some will be fast ,some slow ,some medium speed so they all won't be picked off at once

Example:
Normal deads: Slow ,medium,fast
Vole Deads: Fast
Tdeads: slow -medium
Spearton Deads:slow-medium
Deadkai: Medium

Speartons dead New training time and pop:18s
6 pop

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Holy FCK

Dude

I legitimately lost count of how many times I've seen that one deadkai and speardead stat image

But deads having different speeds is a good think I think

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1st.Speardeads and Deadkai are popular
2nd. Revised spear dead stats
3rd. Thanks

[quasi siren]

Yeah I did notice the different stats on speardeads

Also

Is the 480 HP the RoR HP or base HP?

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I need a calculation first

Before I say yes or no

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What would be their movement speed? Since you did mention deads having different speeds

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If the 480 is the base HP, then RoR HP is 576
If it's the RoR HP, then the base HP is 400

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480 base

Cuz 576 would be stronger than jugg

Even for a dead

[quasi siren]

If the 480 HP is the base HP, then it'll have 576 HP with RoR

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400 my bad

[quasi siren]

Okay

I guess it could work

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I miss pressed

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Considering how slow deads are

[final flume]

Ok what was your other question

Deads speeds

Right

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Normal deads: Slow ,medium,fast
Vole Deads: Fast
Tdeads: slow -medium
Spearton Deads:slow-medium
Deadkai: Medium

@quasi siren

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👍

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Anything else

[quasi siren]

No

[final flume]

Ok

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@tall fern

[tall fern]

Heyo!

What is it?

Honestly, the varying speeds would be an amazing addition. Could you give a unit reference for each speed?

[final flume]

I did

[tall fern]

I mean, each speed setting to an already in-game unit.

In example, slow could equal tdeads, and fast could be Swordwrath.

[final flume]

Ah ok

[random flint]

I would change vole dead art btw

Looks alot like the leaked dead skin

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Wdym

[finite ridge]

Spearton dead no

Basically better spearton

How tf does a dead know how to use block

And more tanky

Why +Heavy dmg if it doesn’t even have a spear or a weapon

Deadkai no no

Better magikill

Small acid rain = fulminate

Instead of minion it’s deads

This sht is more powerful than marrowkai himself

Vole dead

Vole dead and dead speed is the only good part in this post

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Because we have no melee dead that deals good damage against heavy units (Except for RoR summoned giant dead)

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That's 480HP with ror, not 480 base HP

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It's acid rain which can be healed easily and works as crowd control just like fulminate

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Which can die fast before rising

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Marrowkai can stun units deadkai can't and it's a support mage
Plus Marrowkai is due for a buff anyways

[finite ridge]

Still, spear dead should not be a trainable unit

it could works as a converted spearton from ror

But stats not as much as this

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Bruh

[finite ridge]

Chaos already have juggerknight

as tank

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Offensive tank

[finite ridge]

Yes

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Speardead: Defensive Tank

[finite ridge]

chaos has no brain to defend

dead just attack mindlessly

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If no ones controlling them

Then yes

Also you can't have deads and not include the most iconic one

As a trainable unit

[finite ridge]

If this is added it will proves normal spearton useless

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Slow speed

[finite ridge]

Spearton has slow speed?

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Speardead

[finite ridge]

And also spearton

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Speartons can outrun juggs

[finite ridge]

When blocked

bc jugg is a tank duh

And it’s bigger

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Besides

[finite ridge]

My point is that chaos already have jugg

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There's a draw back to speardead using block

So it's not op

[finite ridge]

order has only 2 tanks

Chaos also have 2 tanks

chaos don’t need anymore

It’s equal

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Giants and juggs

[finite ridge]

yes

and tdeads as a ranged tank

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Order: Ripriders,Speartons

Melee tanks

Chaos: Juggs, giants
Melee tanks

[finite ridge]

chaos has better tank

if in contrast of riprider equivalent to Giant

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Order tanks: ripprider, spearton, egiant

Chaos tanks: juggerknight, tdead (not really), cgiant

[finite ridge]

Egiant and tdead are ranged tanks

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Spearton pros: reduced damage(-3)
High health increase damage output with pike
Cons: slow speed while blocking

Juggerknight Pros: 50HP more than speartons
Self Cure and charge
17 damage
Cons:slow attack speed ,full damage taken

[quasi siren]

Albows could also technically be considered as tanks

But that matters on what their stats will be

[finite ridge]

Also if speardead is added it will have the chaos bonuses

Which makes it more superior than mpnormal spear

[quasi siren]

Normal spear is way faster and cheaper

[finite ridge]

Speardead is chaos so it prob will have self heal, ror hp boost and tt

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Ofc

[finite ridge]

Acid rain can boost speardead speed

[quasi siren]

3 of those are from other cards

[finite ridge]

Self heal is a card?

[quasi siren]

That doesn't count because they're different cards

[quasi siren]

Acid rain, RoR, and TT

[finite ridge]

Spearton also has pike and ranged enchantments

[quasi siren]

With 400 base HP, it's probably going to be underpowered and unused outside of deadspam

[finite ridge]

and Atreyos

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10(+8H) to make up for it

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Too bad they're too slow to even reach the enemy

[finite ridge]

I’m confused of why speardead can block

They don’t have brain to use shield

[quasi siren]

And considering that deads also have less range than other melee units, they'll probably be kited by a goddamn UC swordwrath

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True unless varying speeds is added

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The whole deads subfaction needs a rework

Marrowkai is underpowered

Deads are balanced

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But slow

[finite ridge]

Hellfist can hit Eclipsor 💀

[quasi siren]

Tdeads are literally unusable outside of deadspam

[quasi siren]

Fulminate can too, and it has higher DPS than hellfist

[finite ridge]

hellfist has more aoe though

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Fulminate:40 damage +4 burn damage
Hellfist:30 damage

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Fulminate cooldown: 5 seconds
Hellfist cooldown: 30 seconds

[finite ridge]

What about aoe

Hellfist has more

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Nah

It's a straight line

[finite ridge]

Ik

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Not every unit gets hit all the time

[finite ridge]

Still it’s splash

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Not enough to make up for the lack of not being able to use abilities because they have way too much fcking cooldown

And marrowkai is a general

A general

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A underpowered general

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He can't be spammed, so he should at least be threatening even when there's only one of him on the battlefield

[finite ridge]

The only I need from marrowkai is the summoned dead not taking up pop

[finite ridge]

Like Atreyos

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Atreyos is already a threat

Mass casualties in seconds

[finite ridge]

Atreyos solos 50 deads without dying a lot

[quasi siren]

Oh yeah, he's also a spellcaster, and spellcasters were fcking terrifying in SE, and they could be spammed

In sw3, there's only 1 marrowkai and even a single fcking magikill is better than him for less pop and the same cost

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Less training time

[finite ridge]

At least he have ror hp bonuses

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Nah

[quasi siren]

He's a spellcaster

He doesn't even need that much HP

What's he gonna do? Be a tank?

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20 melee damage +splash

[finite ridge]

meric has more hp than sword despite being a support
Yet Thera has less hp than xiphos

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Meanwhile: Other generals 35-40 damage

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12 DPS + light + spellcaster + backline unit + general

[finite ridge]

13 dps

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Yep

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Xiphos is a Frontline melee general
Thera is a backline support spellcaster general

Xiphos needs the 500 HP

[finite ridge]

But normal merics has more hp

[quasi siren]

Thera doesn't even need the 300 HP

[finite ridge]

Which doesn’t make the hp ratio even

[quasi siren]

She could have 150 HP and she'd still be relatively similar to current thera

[quasi siren]

Atreyos has only 55% more HP than spears
Kytchu has 4.28 times the HP of archidons
Thera has double the HP of merics
Xiphos has 5.88 times the HP of swords

If they all had a set bonus, like only 3 times more HP

Some would be incredibly underpowered like xiphos, and atreyos would be a fcking monster as if he isn't terrifying enough

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35(+5L) plus echanted pike 55 at pikes end 60 against light

[finite ridge]

And cw

control whip

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And you got a monster

[finite ridge]

For light unit

[quasi siren]

Also, why does kytchu and archis need 300 HP? Do devs just absolutely hate tdeads and made kytchu and archis be as tanky, if not tankier than a SPEARTON against tdeads?

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But somehow tdeads struggle against light units

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As if they're meant to struggle against light units in exchange for being monsters against heavies

Tdeads just need a pull rework

[finite ridge]

They should add more poison dmg to fight light units

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No more base damage

Instead

10 base damage

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They should have their +H damage, HP, and cost decreased but gain more poison damage and become 3 pop

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18 damage against heavies

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Oh yeah 8H

What about tdeads 10(+7H)

[finite ridge]

Anyone agree on sickle getting more movement speed and bonus dmg to dead?

Bc they savage

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No

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....no

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But they should get a buff

Where's my deads subfaction rework post?

I'm gonna find it real quick

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Why more damage against deads specifically

[finite ridge]

Bc its savage

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Yea no

[finite ridge]

Sicklebear is the founder of savage

And legacy savage skin deal more dmg to dead

[quasi siren]

Found it
https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1221847005739876372

Anyways

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That's legacy not sw3

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Tdeads should have 3 pop

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4 cus of spam

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Legacy being unbalanced as hell:

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We don't talk bout legacy balance

[hallow cypress]

Why??? It's dead and rotting, why does it have more health than a live Spearton?

[quasi siren]

How are we supposed to talk about it if it doesn't exist?

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The base HP is 400

That was a typo

480 is the RoR HP

Also deads have more HP than a living farmer who learnt how to fight

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55> 72

[hallow cypress]

Ohhhh

[hallow cypress]

Yet Swordwrath have more health than the farmer

[hallow cypress]

*60 > 72

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And dead

Oh right the health buff

[quasi siren]

Those are trained warriors

Of course they'll have more health than farmers

[hallow cypress]

Well still

Also neither of them have armour

[quasi siren]

Yet they can take a boulder straight to the face and live

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Somehow

Or a direct explosion

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Or literal fcking magic

And a lightning strike

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Or somehow survive being sliced by a axe and ran over

[hallow cypress]

Game mechanics

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Game logic totally makes sense

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Im surpised no one's concerned about the speardead block

And other stuff.....

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They is slow and expensive

Also their training time and pop is too low

The pop could maybe stay the same

But training time needs to be nerfed

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To what

[quasi siren]

Pop maybe to 6 and training time to 17-19

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And I've given it enough defense to counter ranges units

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6 and we would be dealing with jugg issue again but for speardead

[quasi siren]

For something with a decent HP and 3-5 block, 6 pop is fair

Speardeads being immortal against crawlers and sickles:

Halved damage from archidons

No more archerspam countering deadspam

[final flume]

Hmm ok

There we go

[finite ridge]

How does Wrathnar goes ac130 mode with jump slam

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What

[quasi siren]

TP to top

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Because reasons

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Why

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Because yez

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Fair enough

[finite ridge]

It is how not why

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More like: Won't get torn up as fast by archidon while capping tower because high health armored dead

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Yoo chaos skins got released

And more order skins

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Just now?

[quasi siren]

Yes

New update released

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Hmmm

Maybe chaos got some love this time

With units

[barren siren]

This seems to have been a long convo

So....