#Zarek Abilities

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King Zarek is the only general that has no abilities, so maybe I can suggest some:

Elite Summon: Spawn a golden archer and a golden spearton that comes out from your base. The golden units cannot be UC or command. This ability can only be used if Zarek’s HP is 65% or below.
Cooldown: 25s

Golden Units Stats
Golden Archer
HP: 125
ATK: 15 (+8 H)
DPS: 15.5

Golden Spearton
HP: 550
ATK: 14 (+6 L)
DPS: 13

Vanguard: When activated, provides all Order units with a 50 HP shield around them. Last 10 seconds for Light units and 20 seconds for Heavy units.
Cooldown: 40s

rough lantern
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I recoment #holy-handgrenade

patent rose
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NO

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Stop it with the elite summoning sht

void harness
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I gave the golden units a fair stat

patent rose
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The golden archer has fcking 15 DPS

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That's almost the same as EGIANTS

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Elite unit summoning just generally isn't a good idea

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patent rose
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The attack speed is way too fast for a ranged unit

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The DPS is higher than the actual damage

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0.5 higher

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That's still fast

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worst than kytchu and Archis

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Kytchu and archis have the same attack speed as other normal ranged units that use bows

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I remember golden archer in legacy is literally similar to kytchu in legacy

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So I was thinking to do something different

patent rose
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?

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patent rose
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Kytchu stats change literally every time

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Kytchu either has too much attack speed or normal attack speed or is affected by skins or not affected by skins

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patent rose
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15.5 DPS for a ranged unit

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And 15(+8H) damage

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That can literally SHRED through tanks

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one hit with Tesla coil

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Almost 24 DPS against heavy units

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If the battle goes on for long enough, you can literally stack golden archers

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Imagine like 10 golden archers

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NO GOLDEN UNITS PLEASE

void harness
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I don’t think so bc I’m pretty sure unit can heal

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And u can only use the ability when Zarek health is below 65%

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If he have above that the ability is locked

rough lantern
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well

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what if he stays bellow 65%

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just a theory

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if

rough lantern
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bruh

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10 golden archers will have a total of 155 DPS or 240 DPS against heavy units

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just dont heal your zarek

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its that easy

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rough lantern
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also the golden units have no pop count

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rough lantern
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so even if you get like 10 golden units you can still have a army of deads or what ever you want

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Still golden archer have low health so u can still kill it

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what id

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what if hear me out

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they stay at the back

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to shoot things

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because they are ranged

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also 125 is alot for a light unit in sw3

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Considering that archers have the second longest range, 125 is pretty darn tanky for something that has normal movement speed and can easily run away from danger

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patent rose
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Those golden archers can take a lot of hits while also being able to easily run away from danger

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Read the post carefully next time

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Oh right

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Still

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Pretty tanky

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Especially considering they get a tank that has 550 HP and has the block ability to protect them

void harness
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not that different from a normal spearton

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Those guys might be able to stay alive until the next few golden units arrive

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I don't think you're realizing just how much 100 more HP is and just how much that can change a game

void harness
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Pretty much just like a jug but a bit better

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patent rose
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It also has 15 more damage and 8 extra damage against heavy units

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That amount of DPS is a lot for something that doesn't have to risk going into the enemy line of fire and dying

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So ur saying that Zarek should stay useless?

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Also it’s just a fan idea so don’t take it seriously

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rough lantern
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4 spirit spearton has had contraversey around that upgrade this is no different

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the free archer is better than the archer that costs 300 gold

rough lantern
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also that takes time you need to both maintain tower controll and punishes you for loosing it as you need to get teh stacks back

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this rewards you for making a a bad decission with zarek by letting a unit take alot of dmgwhich unlocks an ability

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nether spirit spawn is balanced but this is slightly worse

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The only way I could see some sort of elite summon thing getting added is if it's like a last resort spell or enchantment

rough lantern
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nah unless theres a veterancy system

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which would be cool but if there is

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it should purely be cosmetic or a after round stat page

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Unbalanced, cool but unbalanced

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sw3 should have an after round stats page

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That'd be cool

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I'll be able to see at what moment I fcked up

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rough lantern
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Vanguard: When activated, provides all Order units with a 50 HP shield around them. Last 10 seconds for Light units and 20 seconds for Heavy units.
Cooldown: 40s is balanced and actualy good

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50 HP shield

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And you're saying 40 seconds cooldown is balanced for that?

void harness
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U guys ignore that the whole time 🤦‍♂️

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Why is it so FCKING LONG

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For something so fcking WEAK

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Give it some actual HP

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There u go. A weak ability along with an op ability

rough lantern
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Although any less cd time i would say is slightly broken

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rough lantern
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Wait what

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The fck is it supposed to do?

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No itd worth

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Protect me from a single egiant boulder?

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rough lantern
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Those are 120 hp archis

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Man thats good

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At least make it like 100

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Only 55 hm

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Only 55 hp

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And the golden archer DPS is also way too high

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Swords and sickles are early game units

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What

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Swords and sickles are literally meant to be early game units

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The golden should not be in ghe game

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Unless a skin

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rough lantern
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Not every one uses atreyos??

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rough lantern
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Ong

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I made a post one time some guy said that it would make blank unit broken

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Thats the problem witg tgat unit

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I feel like atreyos needs a rework

rough lantern
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Order generals are all slightly broken

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He's basically BUILT to be an assassin even though he's a SPEARTON, which are TANKS

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rough lantern
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I would say kytchu is ballanced

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This post is talking about Zarek and ppl is shouting out for a singular golden unit

rough lantern
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Yeha

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Because golden units are in your post

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Golden unit summon is generally not a good idea

void harness
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Kk

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Or just golden units in general

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Ig I will think of something else for Zarek

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Make it an ability involving order units

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Or give him a passive

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I’m tired of hearing ppl saying Zarek being useless and then saying that he’s op after just making a suggestion

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Because the suggestion is making him OP

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If I made, for example, swordwrath have 100 HP and 15 damage, it would be OP, right?

void harness
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Say that to an actual broken unit

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Jugg

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And it's not just being OP, golden unit summon or just golden or elite units in general are a bad idea

rough lantern
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Jugg is ballanced

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Did you just call juggs BROKEN

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I WILL hunt you down for this

rough lantern
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Juggs magi and cgiant are all ballanced if not underpowered

void harness
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Not that many non general have an ability

rough lantern
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Uh yea many do

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Shadow do magi do

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Uhh i forgor

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Sword has a leap

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Shadow parry is broken if propperly timed

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Some have passive abilities

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Such as tdead poison, egiants sickles ripps having splash damage, cgiant having full on AOE

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Eclipsors being able to fly

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shadowrath fixate

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i think this could get out of hand

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its basically a kytchu, pike spiriton, and Flight of the foretold on top of zarek’s high hp and dps

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speaking of dps, how did you get the dps of the 2 golden units?

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what is their attack speed

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it wouldn’t matter if zarek didn’t manage to do damage if you can nearly double the HP of some allies like archidons, minions, and swords) and call units with nearly a total hp and dps of king himself.

void harness
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so if u fight Eclipsors then gold archer is not too much for u

rough lantern
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1: thats eclipsors problem
2: this is a deck builder over half of all decks dobt use eclip

olive briar
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Wow this is an amazing idea

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14?

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Or just enough miners

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You need to buy them and they aren't as powerful as the golden archer

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The main problem with the golden archer is the ungodly fast attack speed

void harness
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Like legacy?

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I based on what I see

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Not logic

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I can excuse the HP, the archer generals have 300, but why does it have faster attack speed than MELEE UNITS?

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15.5 DPS with 15 damage

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That's faster than swordwrath attack speed

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That’s why there is restrictions to Zarek ability.

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anyway I’m sleeping bye 🥱

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Bye

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