tribal miner

[hybrid kestrel]

Tribal units are chaos right?

The other tribal units you made were chaos

Is this heavy or light?

[visual iris]

The actual ones in the games aren't Chaos, if that's what you were asking.

[harsh bluff]

Correct

[visual iris]

Uhm

So

Just a little thing

[hybrid kestrel]

Is this miner light or heavy

[harsh bluff]

Light

[visual iris]

Why is the cost 50 crystals?

[hybrid kestrel]

Why is the damage so high

A minerspam deck with this and order miners would be absolute chaos

[harsh bluff]

#1 because tribal troops learn more to crystals then gold

[visual iris]

The cost should be 150 gold and 50 crystals in my opinion

[harsh bluff]

And #2 I wasn't sure what he should cost so I just let that 50 be a place holder

[hybrid kestrel]

50 gold 50 mana

[visual iris]

Since other than the hp, the rest of the stats are very good for a miner unit

[harsh bluff]

Because the man has a literal animal skull as a pickaxe

[visual iris]

150 gold 50 mana

[harsh bluff]

There we go the cost is changed

[visual iris]

Cost should be gold

[harsh bluff]

Besides, you guys gotta remember they make 2x more crystals and less gold

[visual iris]

Yeah but

You start off with 500 gold and 0 crystals each match

[harsh bluff]

I'll definitely add gold but it shouldn't be the main cost since that would destroy the whole gimmick

[visual iris]

You can't get those Miners

[harsh bluff]

If it's a tribal deck it will be 250 gold and 250 crystals

[harsh bluff]

I mean you always start with two of your decks miners

[visual iris]

You can't do that

[harsh bluff]

Alright

[visual iris]

You can't make the starting currencies change based off of the deck

[harsh bluff]

But still you always will have two of your decks miners at the start of each round so it's possible to get them

[harsh bluff]

Alright

[visual iris]

They aren't useful if they don't mine gold very good

No one will use these miners

[harsh bluff]

They're meant for tribal decks, of course they won't be good in any other decks

[visual iris]

Unless they're using a deck with this miner and a bunch of spells

[hybrid kestrel]

Magispammer with too much gold:

[visual iris]

They should be good for any other deck

Chances of people actually using a deck set is very low

[harsh bluff]

I mean, I use an all chaos deck so I would try the tribal deck

[visual iris]

They should be able to be used in other decks

[visual iris]

Yes, but those chaos units are still useful for other decks

[harsh bluff]

They should, but they're meant for spell and tribal decks alone

[visual iris]

This miner, however, isn't

[harsh bluff]

Alright

That's fine

[visual iris]

When making a unit, you should always make sure that it can be useful for any type of deck

If someone uses this as their main miner, they won't be able to do much

[hybrid kestrel]

Honestly a crystal miner would be cool

Like literally just a normal miner but mines 50g and 100m

[visual iris]

Yeah, but it shouldn't be dependent on other units

[harsh bluff]

Yeah, I want him to make crystals more then gold since I always have a problem with them

[hybrid kestrel]

Magispam or spellspam with smithy and crystal miners would be crazy

[harsh bluff]

All miners literally are dependent due to them being weak

[visual iris]

I'd say, just make it so this miner mines normal amount of gold, but more crystals

[harsh bluff]

Alright

[visual iris]

👍

[hybrid kestrel]

This is just dumb now

150 crystal

Wtf

12 damage but 40 HP

Rush would destroy this

This is the sickle version of miners

No one will use this, it doesn't have enough HP

The damage is useless because it's a MINER

And 150 crystal is 300 in gold which is enough for two miners

The 2x mana and faster movement speed is just not worth the price

[harsh bluff]

It's not mana it's crystals, but it's fixed

And it's not my fault I'm just trying to please you guys with an idea I made

[hybrid kestrel]

Make the cost 200g 50m

Increase HP to 70-80

Decrease damage to 5

And remove the less gold thing

[harsh bluff]

Again, gold is meant to be lower then crystals

And alright

One second

[hybrid kestrel]

It's a goddamn miner

[harsh bluff]

Yeah I know, thats what I don't understand why it's so upsetting to you guys

[hybrid kestrel]

This is a miner, miners aren't supposed to have high damage

And miners aren't supposed to have any mana in their cost

Let alone have only a mana cost

[visual iris]

Lavish

[hybrid kestrel]

That's a general, every general has mana in their cost

This is a normal miner unit

[visual iris]

He's still a miner

[hybrid kestrel]

Normal miners shouldn't have mana cost, let alone have it be higher than the gold cost

[harsh bluff]

I'm trying to go with the look, since I'm sure getting hit with the head on an animal is quite deadly

[harsh bluff]

That's the tribals whole gimmick, they prioritize crystals over gold

If you take a look at all the tribal troops they cost more crystals then gold

[harsh bluff]

Who?

[visual iris]

And that's fine, but the miner should be easy to access

[visual iris]

Lavish is the miner general

[harsh bluff]

Oh, was he added to the game since I don't remember seeing him

[visual iris]

This guy

[visual iris]

Not yet

[harsh bluff]

And I went ahead and did some tweaking so take a look

[visual iris]

Okie

[harsh bluff]

Ah okay, also he looks like a normal maxed out miner from Legacy

[visual iris]

That's his legacy design

This is his new design

[harsh bluff]

"🎶Diggy Diggy hole, I'm digging a hole🎶"

He looks like a Viking

[visual iris]

Lol yeah

[visual iris]

But he's bigger, and has the maxed swordwrath helmet

[harsh bluff]

Ah alright

Also thank the both of you for your options

[visual iris]

Anytime

(Stat teleport)

[ember garden]

Way too cheap

[hybrid kestrel]

It equals to 150g if you convert mana to gold

[lime siren]

that feels like it should just be cosmetic

[hybrid kestrel]

And the cost won't be changed again

[lime siren]

this is

busted

[hybrid kestrel]

Savage skin

[lime siren]

i think

bleed as entirely new mechanic just for one unit

is busted

[hybrid kestrel]

Other units made by this person also have bleed

[lime siren]

also the faster walk speed will make this a better unit and would be picked over chaos and order miner

[lime siren]

ik

i ment just for a faction

[hybrid kestrel]

And the cost is pretty fair

[lime siren]

oh what

oh it changed

[ember garden]

And that's why it's broken... these miners are significantly better than base miners, and with a lot of the gold cost gone, you can set both starting miners to crystal and upgrade your economy way faster. When paired with miners upgrade mining and health boost these would be so broken its uncomparable

[lime siren]

wait they added him?

[hybrid kestrel]

Check the post

The stats were different when I wrote that

[lime siren]

they have a speed boost

thats just automaticly better

if you are a skilled player and dont get ur units hurt

liek eco

your set

[ember garden]

I'm referring to the post

[hybrid kestrel]

They mined 50% less gold when I said to change the price to 50g 50m

But now since they mine the same amount of gold

50g 50m is going to be OP for this

[visual iris]

In production

That image was the swl version

[lime siren]

ah

👍

[visual iris]

👍

[lime siren]

Walk speed: faster then a miner
Cost: 25 gold and 100 Crystals
Perks: gain's 2x more crystals

these

i have personal beef ith

[ember garden]

Except they walk faster to it which is the biggest time use of miners. There's also the miner upgrade to make them mine faster

[lime siren]

i think chaos and order miners are enough

neither have large differences

[ember garden]

I'm ok with a new miner, I just want to make sure it's balanced

[lime siren]

if any econemy unit posts are made ether they arent pure eco or dont deviate too much

[hybrid kestrel]

They cost crystals which are harder to get than gold and you won't get much gold if any of them dies and you have smithy

[ember garden]

I see this one being an unbreakable meta in its current state

[ember garden]

Crystals are not that much harder to get if you prioritize them

[hybrid kestrel]

They are

[ember garden]

Lemme type my suggested changes

[lime siren]

crystals are infinate and you nly rly want to capp out at 12 miners

[hybrid kestrel]

Only 2 crystal mines

[lime siren]

4 crystal miner spaces

and closer than gold

[hybrid kestrel]

Which isn't enough to have a good eco

4 miners on crystal is still not much

Especially since this miner costs 100 mana

[lime siren]

400 crystal if all miners return at once thats 4 new miners

[hybrid kestrel]

And you're also going to need to focus on gold so that you don't die in early game

[lime siren]

and it doesnt take 12 seconds to get more crystal

[lime siren]

eh fair

[harsh bluff]

It's not for one troop lol

[lime siren]

ment to say on faction lol

[harsh bluff]

Corry

Correct

[harsh bluff]

There we go, and don't worry since once I get home I'm going to add it to more troop ideas since bleed is one I actually like

[hybrid kestrel]

What does bleed do again?

[harsh bluff]

Like poison but more deadly like this for instance: poison = low damage over long periods of time
Bleed = high damage and a small slow down over a short period of time

[hybrid kestrel]

So it deals large damage in a short period of time but then wears off?

[harsh bluff]

K, go ahead

[harsh bluff]

Unless it keeps getting replied

Because any troop that can do bleed will reset the timer each hit

[hybrid kestrel]

Sounds like an OP fire effect tbh

[lime siren]

oh yah

[harsh bluff]

But it's a small time like 2 seconds if that

[hybrid kestrel]

That's basically the fire effect but OP and unaffected by surge

[harsh bluff]

But here's the down side, its only for melee troops and deals less damage to heavy units

[hybrid kestrel]

How much damage does it deal normally and how much damage does it deal against heavy?

[harsh bluff]

20 a second normally and 10 on heavys

[hybrid kestrel]

WTF

That's literally a death machine

[harsh bluff]

Correct, but as you know they're weak as hell

[hybrid kestrel]

Not even a tdead with every ranged enchantment and TT plus surge can deal that much damage

Do you realize how much after-damage those kind of tdeads have?

[harsh bluff]

Yeah, but as you know their meant for quick rounds and heavys are they're counter

[hybrid kestrel]

It's still too op

20 dps

That's a lot for a status effect

Even 10 DPS is too much for status effects

[harsh bluff]

Yeah, but it course a few work arounds will do

But I'll continue later, I want to enjoy the movie I'm watching with my family for Thanksgiving

[hybrid kestrel]

Okay

[harsh bluff]

See ya in awhile, I'll ping ya

Stay safe

[harsh bluff]

Done

Although I'm about to head to my grandma's house for Thanksgiving lol

[sterile wedge]

ooga booga mining flint

[harsh bluff]

.

[lime siren]

people stop revving post like this
let them die after a while and see what the new comunity has to say abt this

[jaunty inlet]

Crystal??!

Why you make a miner with crystal cost

No sense

This is just a better enslaved miner with a cost that make it useless

[harsh bluff]

I mean he ani't since you spawn with 2 of them just like every other miner

[jaunty inlet]

That would be very hard to use

[harsh bluff]

Well they're meant to work with tribal troops and spells

Besides it's possible

[jaunty inlet]

In a deck builder game every card should work in the most decks possible

[harsh bluff]

There we go, 50 instead

[lime siren]

eyy i said that once or twice

[jaunty inlet]

LOL

[harsh bluff]

It's possible, you just need to know how to work your cards

Besides if you don't like it then you don't have to be here lol

[lime siren]

most cards should be usuable in a deck

like cards shoudnt rely on other cards

unless its a purely support card and even still

[hasty wadi]

Yes, certain cards work well together, but every card should be good on its own.

[harsh bluff]

Good point, counter point: how can a miner in general be good on it's own against a enemy team?

I'm not trying to be rude I just want to know

[lime siren]

skill

and strategey

and early attack with a miner army

btw miners have prety alreight dmg and hp

[harsh bluff]

Alright, but I tried to do that with higher then normal damage because they have a actually animal skull as a pick yet people got mad at me for it, so I'm not sure what to do lol

Yeah I'm a troop maker but miners I can't do

Honestly I would love it if you guys showed me how a miner is best made

Since I want them with a Crystal cost and extra crystals so it fits with the whole tribal gimmick but done right

[jaunty inlet]

I can show you

[harsh bluff]

Go ahead

[jaunty inlet]

https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1179630454584901682

[lime siren]

DX

[proven marlin]

Eh