Chaos giant buff

[lost urchin]

And I get into many stalemates

[half cliff]

I only use smithy on expensive decks

Like shadowripp

[lost urchin]

Stupid shadowripp.... Nothing can kill shadowripp unless they make a mistake

And I need to go

[half cliff]

You can kill shadowripp with rush decks

[ripe tinsel]

shadowripp user, opinion invalidated

[half cliff]

I don't use shadowripp

[ripe tinsel]

opinion revalidated :D

[half cliff]

It's hard for me to use shadowripp

Cuz I have tiny brain

[wide talon]

Nah I've killed that shadrip before in a me vs 2. Not as effective in 2vs2 mode I'd say

[half cliff]

Yeah ripps costs a lot of pop

[wide talon]

#Buff rip pop

[ripe tinsel]

no

[half cliff]

Yes

Like 7

[wide talon]

Like 6

[half cliff]

Ripp should have higher pop than jugg

[rapid berry]

Rip should have 7 pop

And jug 5

[half cliff]

That's like pop of spears

Jugg can stay 6 pop

[rapid berry]

Because they are just slightly better than spears

Not even at everything

Spears are better as heavy covers

Because of shield ability

They can overally withstand more dmg

While juggs are attackers

[solar comet]

Reduce jugg HP to 450, reduce godly cost to 450, and reduce pop to 5

[rapid berry]

Also spears have upgrades, enchantments and generals

While juggs only have poison

Optionally

[solar comet]

That way neither juggs or spears are better than each other

[rapid berry]

Yes

So their pop should be the same

[solar comet]

Finally something we both agree on

[rapid berry]

And eclipsor population should be 4

[half cliff]

Just don't bring up egiant nerf

👍🏻

[solar comet]

Eclipsor and tdead pop should be 4

[half cliff]

Egiants are getting nerfed

Brock said

[rapid berry]

T deads are fine with 5 pop

They are powerful

Enough

[half cliff]

No

[solar comet]

Powerful against heavy but not as powerful against light

[half cliff]

T deads are not even powerful

I killed a lot of duds that uses tdeads

[rapid berry]

There needs to be someone to fight them 💀

[solar comet]

Yeah

[rapid berry]

Also they still massacre archidon squads

[half cliff]

How

[rapid berry]

Wdym how

[solar comet]

One or two tank units and those tdeads are turned to jam

[half cliff]

How can they massacre archers

They deal 8 damage to light

Which is little

[rapid berry]

Archidons deal 10 to heavies

While t deads have 3x archdion hp

[solar comet]

And archidons are incredibly powerful against tdeads if you use vamp and swap out low HP archidons to the back and set the high HP ones in the front

[half cliff]

Who uses archers without tanks

[rapid berry]

0 iq ppl who cry about e giants being too op

[solar comet]

They also cost way more and are also slower and have less range which means you can easily kite with archidons against them

[solar comet]

Even with tanks, egiants can still destroy archidons

[rapid berry]

They are still cheaper than eclipsors

[half cliff]

Eclipsors better than tdeads

[rapid berry]

And they come with poison by default, no upgrade needed

[solar comet]

Yeah

[solar comet]

Which doesn't really matter unless you have RoR

[rapid berry]

RoR comes with t deads in 90% of cases

[half cliff]

That wouldn't really matter if everyone is using vamp

[solar comet]

But vamp makes it useless

[rapid berry]

Not everyone does

[solar comet]

Most players have SOME kind of healing

[rapid berry]

Also at the moment of being killed by the projectile they are poisoned so they turn to deads anyway

[half cliff]

You can just block tdeads attacks with a spear or jugg

[solar comet]

With vamp and swapping out archidons that isn't really that powerful

Archispam with vamp against tdead spam with RoR is mostly going to end in the archidons winning

[rapid berry]

Still 5 pop to t deads is fine to me

[solar comet]

Yeah but it'd be good if they changed it to 4

[rapid berry]

Imagine someone with 18 t deads 💀

(this would be possible with 4 pop)

[solar comet]

That's possible even with 5 pop

[half cliff]

Imagine 18 eclipsors

[rapid berry]

Talking about 2v2

In 1v1 it would be 25 t deads 💀💀💀

[half cliff]

Imagine 25 eclipsors

[solar comet]

Tdeads can easily be kited

[rapid berry]

Beatable with archidons or e giants

[solar comet]

25 eclipsors would destroy 33 archidons

[rapid berry]

Not sure about this

But maybe

[solar comet]

At the very least it'd be a draw or a close win with either 1-2 eclipsors or archidons left

[rapid berry]

2 archidons are enough for one eclipsor

[half cliff]

25 tdeads is beatable with archidons and egiants too

[rapid berry]

T deads spam with cover is horror to e giants

[half cliff]

Just UC egiant

[rapid berry]

Still

I literally played match like this yesterday

[half cliff]

Lost with egiants?

Crazy

[solar comet]

Anything spam with a cover is a horror

[rapid berry]

Won

[half cliff]

Then egiants counters tdeads with cover

[rapid berry]

It was me with e giants and guy with t deads vs enemy with e giants and enemy with speartons

[solar comet]

What was their decks?

[rapid berry]

Tp to post ⬆️

[lost urchin]

Spears are only better because of their attack speed when not shield up. They should nerf that by 0.1 or 0.2 seconds so it is more of a hard choice between spears and juggs.

[whole arrow]

It's wonderful but the giant is good as he is so there's no point of changing him

I'm not saying that to be mean I'm just saying how everything is he's balanced

[rapid berry]

U serious? 💀

[whole arrow]

Yeah, even at his lower levels he's not bad of course better when used with monastery but still good

Besides you can upgrade him with the toxic upgrade and boom, you got yourself damage especially with the perk that makes Dead's rise when a troop is killed with toxic

[whole arrow]

Also thank you for this

It's much appreciated

[rapid berry]

🗿🗿🗿

Seriously?

[whole arrow]

Yeah, if I wasn't sure I wouldn't say it

[dusky wadi]

Careful now some of us has been in the game since it was just released

I started playing when the game was only a few weeks old

About a month and a half

Or 2

[whole arrow]

Just like H said, since i was here before the jugs and I'll be honest I don't remember when I was here but I was here for awhile to

[rapid berry]

Do U play them?

[whole arrow]

Every once in awhile

Now if you want a real son of a gun to try changing try the enslaved giant

Since his damage is stupidity strong with almost nothing to counter him

[rapid berry]

chaos giants should counter them

🤦‍♂️

while they cant

because of lack of power

[whole arrow]

They can actually, a friend of mine showed me that normal giants are actually one of the counters to them

[rapid berry]

but

bro

its in 1v1

e giant vs c giant

in such case c giant wins (barely)

but if e giant enters catapult

no unit can beat him

also its not about 1v1

chaos giants are generally weaker

very slow attacks making enemies able to problemlessly dodge all the hits

just 3 max damaged per hit

3

they are slow

so they get totally masacred by archidons

and other projectile units

if enemy gathers a big army of deads

the deads will eat the giant in seconds

and literally just 2 magikills with minions are enough to stop chaos giant almost forever

if the giant player doesnt UC

they are only good against speartons

but if enemy gathers an army of them

uses long pikes and enchantments

giants become weak even against these

[whole arrow]

Classic giant is still good as he is

But I'm just a lone man with a different opinion, because even though I'm good with how the giant is I know others disagree so I will give credit where it's due and say: its a good idea

[raw zealot]

Landon Lee having an idea I agree with for once?!?!?

[wide talon]

.

[whole arrow]

Apparently so

[wide talon]

Chaos giants need buff

[whole arrow]

I just think he's good as he is

[raw zealot]

Had to happen once

[raw zealot]

No

They do not

They're fine

[wide talon]

I'm right. I already know

[half cliff]

egiants just ned nerf

[raw zealot]

Yes

[whole arrow]

His earth quake ability added back would be good but besides that he's good

[whole arrow]

Agree

I hate em'

[raw zealot]

Nerf egiants and add eq

[whole arrow]

Also ice, I have new ideas if you wanna see

#1175901668664164522 #1175825710653386862 #1175886517001007224 #1176293211476594728 #1178877544766902312 #1179247243493130281

But anyways, I still think the giants are good just use monstrosity if you main them

[lost urchin]

Aint no way bro just advertised his ideas

I am going to do it now for my preban ideas

https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1143374591302041600

[eager cove]

Yes massive hp buff damage is fine

[dusky wadi]

I can confirm this cuz I have beaten tier 2 monstrosity giants using tdeads in a match

[solar comet]

Tdeads are literally tank killers

[rapid berry]

Most NPC idea ever

[rapid berry]

Tp to post ⬆️

[void dirge]

Giant turtle

I do use giqnt turle and it good if ur opponent doesnt have surge squall or barrier

[rapid berry]

enslaved giants perform better in such deck

i literally play e giants + magikills

[void dirge]

But e giant is weak against cgiant spam when cgaint can also block the projectile too

The only option is spearos uc

But u can uc too anyway

[rapid berry]

e giants are good against c giants spam

[void dirge]

I dare u to say that again

[rapid berry]

e giants are good against c giants spam

[void dirge]

60 spalsh dmg wwhile egiant deal 30+

[rapid berry]

ye but no one sane will put 2 egiants next to each other

[void dirge]

Yes they do

Most of the time unless when they moving their low hp giant

[rapid berry]

0 iq

when i play e giants i will literally put them separatelly in front of enemy base and wait for them to do the move

wont attack

they either choose suicidal battle or pointlessly wait in base for the center tower to finish them

and thats why chaos giant should be buffed

to counter such players

whenever i see the opponent playing c giants i be like "ah this is gonna be an easy one" and in 90% of cases im right

but whenever i see the opponent playing e giants i be like "gonna have to try hard with this one" and in 80% of cases im right

in opposite to expectations chaos giants do NOT counter e giants

because they attack way too slow

and deal way too few damage

[wide talon]

Agreed

[rapid berry]

in battle c giant vs e giant if the e giant is in catapult mode, e giant wins

he attacks faster

from distance

and deals almost as much dmg

per hit

[wide talon]

And even more faster when someone UCs a unit near them

[rapid berry]

while chaos giant is for now only good against havies while e giant is good against both heavies and lights

[rapid berry]

yep

im a master of UCing e giants

i have been doing this from august

almost every day

lmao

[wide talon]

[rapid berry]

thats why i see that lack of power of chaos giant is an issue

• slow
• low dmg against light units
• medium dmg against heavy units
• attacks slowly
• high price
• melee (requires constant replacement and is weak to projectile units)
• monstrosity is a must, not an option

literally no point choosing him over e giant

[wide talon]

Can add the slow movement speed. By the time you reach enemy's archers they run and gone by the time you start the hit

[rapid berry]

this would be goofy

there always need to be units weak and powerful against an unit

archidons are supposed to be powerful against giants

while giants are supposed to be powerful against other heavies

such as e giants, ripriders and speartons

and the other heavies are supposed to be good against archidons

to fulfil the rock-paper-scissors circle

and to force player not to use only one kind of unit during entire match

but the circle is broken

because chaos giants are weak against almost everyone

[wide talon]

Goofy but true

[rapid berry]

chaos giants are supposed to be slow and expensive but in exchange for huge HP and dmg

thats why

i still stand with my proposal

[solar comet]

the only good buff here is the 1100 hp and 40(+30H) damage

[rapid berry]

goofy ahh opinion

its barely any buff

dmg increase by 5 for lights, 10 for heavies and 100 hp more

no noticable difference

[raw zealot]

Says the guy who said egiants are under powered 💀

[rapid berry]

didnt say so

i said the only nerf they require is range reduction

and if they get it they will be good

🤨

[raw zealot]

I meant c giants

[solar comet]

Exactly

Cgiants don't need much buffs

Only that small buff is enough

[rapid berry]

Well balanced chaos giants countering enslaved giants

They did a great job 👍🏻

[solar comet]

So you're just going to ignore the yellow army and magikill minions distracting the cgiants?

The cgiants didn't have a chance to get near the egiant because of the other units

And the cgiant player didn't even UC them to get close to the egiants

[rapid berry]

Yellows died in early stage and then sent several giants on certain pointless death

And remember that blue giants had eclipsor support so it wasn't just them

[solar comet]

Egiants VS cgiants should be a 1v1 match with cgiants and egiants ONLY and not a 2v2 match with other units too

[rapid berry]

Huge eclipsor army

[solar comet]

That video doesn't show which giants wins in a giant vs giant battle

[rapid berry]

Just wanted to remind that in c giant vs e giant with e giant in catapult, e giant wins

[solar comet]

It really heavily matters on where the egiants are set

And monstrosity

[rapid berry]

.

[solar comet]

Why does that matter?

Anyway

Gtg now

I'll be back in a few minutes

[rapid berry]

Ok

[solar comet]

I'm back

@rapid berry

[rapid berry]

So

[solar comet]

So what?

https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1182295548519272458

Check out this idea

The two attacks thing in your post is cool but giants shouldn't have that kind of ability nor do they need it

[rapid berry]

Weak

[rapid berry]

Why

I think it's the only good use for the useless body he carries with him

[solar comet]

First, the club doing 150% damage is soo much that it literally exceeds the amount of DPS an unit can take, second, massive hordes of light units are a counter to giants and removing that will make cgiants op

[solar comet]

Attack animation variety and inconsistency

[rapid berry]

It does not

[solar comet]

60(+45H) is 105 damage to heavies and max DPS an unit can take is 100

And 105 damage is too much anyways

[rapid berry]

105 damage once per 3 seconds is 35 dmg/s

[rapid berry]

Slightly more than shadowwraths can reach

[solar comet]

Not to mention that it has faster attack speed than currently

[solar comet]

That's a lot considering that giants have AOE

[rapid berry]

It's just 3 units max

[solar comet]

Yeah

That equals to 105 DPS against 3 units

[rapid berry]

Yes

[solar comet]

Which is way too much for any nongeneral unit

Also giants have 1100 HP in this post

So not only do they get incredibly high damage but they also get higher HP

[rapid berry]

Giants description says "good against heavy units"

[solar comet]

Good

Not OP

105 is OP

[rapid berry]

Enslaved giant in catapult mode with CW does 79 dmg to one unit

• splash

[solar comet]

That's with CW

[rapid berry]

• higher speed

[solar comet]

A mythic which increases damage by 50%

[rapid berry]

Meaning sth like 150 dmg/s I guess

[solar comet]

With CW

Egiant damage is balanced because they're damage dealer giants

Cgiants are tank giants

Cgiants shouldn't have incredibly high damage, and egiant shouldn't have incredibly high HP

[rapid berry]

Just like c giants should be

[dusky wadi]

20dps is not that bad(referring to the club)

The dpm is just 1200

Slightly more than Egiants

Which has a dpm of 1026

But considering that high health it is still lethal and dangerous also considering the splash

I have to agree with yo008 on that one

[rapid berry]

Current giant DPS is 9.6 so to reach sth close to 20 we would need to double giants dmg meaning it would be 60 (+50 H)

I guess @solar comet wouldn't like that

I would but for some reason ppl claim chaos giant doesn't need a dmg buff

[rapid berry]

But they won't play him either

[solar comet]

The only buff cgiants need is https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1182295548519272458

[dusky wadi]

576 dpm is considerably average at the moment

[rapid berry]

No 🗿

It's barely any buff

[solar comet]

Cgiants don't need much buffs

[dusky wadi]

Also my net is low so please excuse me for late responses

[solar comet]

It's egiants that are so op they make cgiants look like absolute sh!t

[dusky wadi]

They just need more health and damage resistance

[solar comet]

1100 health and both attack animations having a consistent attack speed

Which matches with the DPS on the cgiants stats

[dusky wadi]

I'd agree but Egiants stars aren't the main problem

[half cliff]

Stars

[dusky wadi]

It's the fact you can easily counter Egiants weakness

[solar comet]

For the amount of damage egiants have, their HP is too much, and they're also ranged units

Egiants just need less range and HP

[rapid berry]

Do you successfully play chaos giants to state that?

[solar comet]

Yes

They have stun, knockback, high damage and AOE at the cost of slow attack movement and attack speed and their HP is also good for the amount of damage they can deal

[dusky wadi]

Stop looking at the gotham unit itself and look at its surroundings

There are always 2 possibilities or more

[solar comet]

That's one thing gigalach doesn't do

He just spams cgiants

[dusky wadi]

Either the subject itself or its environment,counterparts,etc

[half cliff]

Cgiants by themselves is bad

[dusky wadi]

That is already pointed out

[half cliff]

All units need support to be good

[solar comet]

A lot of units be themselves are bad

[dusky wadi]

Yes thank you

[dusky wadi]

Not entirely

[solar comet]

Even crawlers, who are meant to be spammed, are bad when not paired with any other unit

[dusky wadi]

They are still kinda useless mid to late game at the moment

[solar comet]

Archidons, which require a tank to not get countered by an actual deck

[dusky wadi]

Funny thing did ya know some people only spamm swords and some only spamm archers? It's like rock paper scissors, what's left is the speartons spammers that disappeared

The game is in a rock paper scissors+ situation where there are things that are just nearly impossible to deal with

Example is the Magikill,Egiant combo
If you don't do anything about them early game it is byebye mid to late game

You need the right combination to simply be able to somehow deal with as many things as possible but there is always a deck that can completely counter yours

It's just a matter of finding it

So it ain't one unit that needs balance

[solar comet]

It is 100% one unit that needs balance

[dusky wadi]

No

[solar comet]

Many OP braindead metas are OP because of one thing in the deck that's OP

[dusky wadi]

I'm saying all empires need to be equal somehow

[solar comet]

Magiegiant is OP because egiants are OP and magikill are there simply to create meatshields for the egiants

[dusky wadi]

To prevent that such thing

And rid of anyone close

If all empires are equal with their units equal to each other would there be an imbalance?

[dusky wadi]

Also this was supposed to reply to

[dusky wadi]

This

In case my message sent late

[solar comet]

For both chaos and order empires to be balanced then egiants need to be balanced too

[dusky wadi]

Yes

[solar comet]

Egiants are what makes order superior to chaos

Because they're simply better than cgiants

[dusky wadi]

Not just that

Chaos also lacks their own measures

They have powerful late game units

But lack early game

Order in the other hand has a variety of ways to go early game

[solar comet]

Because crawlers are too far off from being a chaos equivalent to swords and bombers are an one-use unit

[dusky wadi]

Yes

The only proper early game unit chaos has is the dead

[solar comet]

Order has both powerful early game, powerful mid game and powerful late game

[dusky wadi]

Order has archers,sickles, and swords

[dusky wadi]

Mostly trye

True*

[solar comet]

Chaos early game units are either too weak to match up to order early game units or are too slow

[dusky wadi]

Yes

[solar comet]

Like crawlers being way weaker than swords but deads being too slow to compete for tower

[dusky wadi]

You can rush a Juggerknight early game but it will take a while and oftenly the order already has a counter

[dusky wadi]

They are decent but slow

[solar comet]

Either UC spearton or swordwrath group

[dusky wadi]

They have a fine dpm and ok health

[dusky wadi]

Those are the most often you'd find other than archer UCs

[solar comet]

Or just archers

The only reason why crawlers are good for early is because they capture the tower faster than every other unit and can just use Tesla coil if you get close

[dusky wadi]

There is a chaos spell that could be used to mess up order early game

[solar comet]

Acid rain?

[dusky wadi]

But it isn't really a spell

[solar comet]

?

[dusky wadi]

Or something that exists at the moment

You know endless deads right?

[solar comet]

Yeah

[dusky wadi]

You should be aware of the riser deads

[solar comet]

Oh yeah

I hate those guys

[dusky wadi]

With those being added chaos has a proper way to deal with things early game if you can manage

I'll recreate the riser dead posts

Somebody already did so but I'm not sure if it still exists

Either way chaos giants aren't too bad

Just needs health buff

[solar comet]

They're more balanced than egiants

They only need a slight buff

Or egiants getting nerfed to be able to compete with egiants

[rapid berry]

Lmfao

I literally just won a match with this

[solar comet]

And you're saying that cgiants are too weak?

[rapid berry]

yes

[solar comet]

Really?

[rapid berry]

i played against 2 guys with 1200

[solar comet]

You won a match with swords and cgiants with no monstrosity

[solar comet]

Oh

Makes sense

[rapid berry]

and was supported by eclipsors and e giants of the bro

i can even record that

because it was pretty funny

[solar comet]

Just send the replay

[rapid berry]

replay viewer never works

[solar comet]

It worked before

I don't know if it's bugged RN

[half cliff]

It's not

[humble stone]

snap back to reality

[rapid berry]

Check out this replay stickwar3://watchReplay?guid=f2baca9a-c72b-f3a0-a48e-14441aab0000

[humble stone]

its been 4 or more hours

[rapid berry]

no way it worked

:OOO

[solar comet]

I'm gonna make an improved version of that deck without making it more expensive

[rapid berry]

i played this deck before e giants

[solar comet]

The exact deck or a different variation of it?

[rapid berry]

but it had also bubble and monstrosity

that disappeared for some reason

[solar comet]

Classic deck making bug

[solar comet]

I'm gonna play with this deck

[rapid berry]

did U see the replay tho

[solar comet]

Yeah

Also black (or from your perspective, red) was AI

[rapid berry]

Told U

It was an easy one

With pro players it wouldn't be so easy

[solar comet]

AI played better than the actual player

[rapid berry]

💀

[solar comet]

MF had swordspam but didn't rush when it basically guaranteed that they would've taken tower

[rapid berry]

Check out this replay stickwar3://watchReplay?guid=05268ad9-a940-f463-96c3-9dc7580d0000

@solar comet

Watch this one

Pro clash

[solar comet]

That was mostly tower stall

And if you or the other player used cgiants instead of egiants then either you or the other egiant user would've absolutely destroyed the other's egiants

Your egiants were mostly in one place while the enemy egiants were spread out

[rapid berry]

U think that if he used chaos giants, we would lose?

[solar comet]

Red had a good deck to go along with cgiants

And also that stack of egiants at the end

Destroyed by 1-2 cgiants

[rapid berry]

U serious?

💀💀💀

[solar comet]

UC cgiants are really effective against egiants, especially if they're stacked in one place

And your egiant were mostly stacked in one place

[rapid berry]

No they are not

[solar comet]

They are

[rapid berry]

No

[solar comet]

I've killed many egiants with UC cgiants and have seen other players destroy max monstrosity egiants with UC max monstrosity cgiants

[rapid berry]

🗿🗿🗿

Nah U just goofy ahh

[solar comet]

You don't even play cgiants correctly

[rapid berry]

Wdym

[solar comet]

You spam cgiants

[rapid berry]

I fo

Do

[solar comet]

That's 100% NOT how to play with cgiants

Cgiants are late game tanks

Use them like late game tanks

If you don't want to use them for tanking, then use them to destroy enemy tanks

[rapid berry]

I know exactly how to use these 🗿

[solar comet]

With spam?

[rapid berry]

Yes

[solar comet]

That's not how to use cgiants

That's worse than spamming fcking sickles

[rapid berry]

🗿

[rapid berry]

Tp to post ⬆️

[raw zealot]

Can you lock the post

[lost urchin]

Thank you

[rapid berry]

No and why

[raw zealot]

Bc it's getting boring seeing this at the top instead of new ideas

[whole arrow]

I have a new one

#1182500527666364437

[rapid berry]

revive cuz yes

Tp to post ⬆️

[solar comet]

Seriously?

[rapid berry]

yes

[solar comet]

Why does the body attack even have that much AOE

[rapid berry]

because the body is large

its anti light

[solar comet]

Giants are anti heavy

Not anti light

[rapid berry]

e giant is anti both

[mild geyser]

What have you been smoking my guy

[rapid berry]

weed

[solar comet]

Because unbalanced

[rapid berry]

now its gonna be balanced

[solar comet]

No it's not

Now both giants are going to unbalanced

[rapid berry]

with chaos giants being powerful no e giant would feel safe

[rapid berry]

archidons -> c giant -> e giant -> archidons

cycle

[mild geyser]

Ah yes, a meatshield countering artillery

[solar comet]

Cgiants are tanks, also if you have a problem with archidons, use archidons with cgiants to counter instead of just spamming cgiants

[rapid berry]

assuming any unit is supposed to be meatshield already makes it look dumb

[rapid berry]

why wouldnt i use e giants then

jus 100 hp less

but better everything else

[mild geyser]

Because they’re meant for artillery purposes?

[rapid berry]

they can serve as both

[solar comet]

Because egiants are unbalanced

[rapid berry]

also

this buff still makes chaos giants weak against projectile units

especially archidons

just like it has always been

[solar comet]

Both giants are meant to be countered by light unit hordes

You have to use other units along with the cgiants to deal with light unit hordes

[rapid berry]

e giants not

[solar comet]

Yes, but they're not, because they're OP

[rapid berry]

they are perfect

[solar comet]

No

[rapid berry]

archidon spammers just cry over it

[mild geyser]

No they aren’t

[solar comet]

Literally everyone who isn't an egiant spammer or turtler cries over it

They shred through anything, even if that thing is meant to be a counter to them

[rapid berry]

who counters archidons except speartons and juggs then

[solar comet]

Literally anything that's a proper strategy

[rapid berry]

before e giants archidon spam was almost undefeatable

[mild geyser]

Sw3 isn’t just about spamming one unit?

[mild geyser]

Merics and bubble shield:

[solar comet]

Archidon spam is only strong because projectile barrier protects them from the opponent's ranged units and they can just kite the tanks with glacial fletching

[rapid berry]

no one plays merics because of high price and population

[solar comet]

You haven't seen the new update, have you?

[mild geyser]

Bubble shield exists

[rapid berry]

huh

[solar comet]

Meric convert got added and it's OP

[rapid berry]

well i havent updated yet

wait

converting is a side ability

doesnt count

U need a separate slot in deck for it

[solar comet]

Merics are being used a lot now

With egiants

[rapid berry]

and im not sure if its aviable for the players yet

[solar comet]

It is

[mild geyser]

Wtf is that logic

[solar comet]

It's been released to multiplayer along with the scorch spell

[gusty patrol]

and technically you get free slots when you convert enemy units

[rapid berry]

interesting

well

cant update now

but it doesnt change the fact chaos giant needs a buff

wont change my mind

[solar comet]

Maybe, but not this

This is just too much

It makes them anti light along with being even more anti heavy, makes them tankier, and makes their attack speed faster

[rapid berry]

Still if not UC they would lag on dead spam or minion spam

And they still suck against numerous projectile units

And against numerous light units such as deads or swordwraths

Also

Giant is expensive

So he needs to be worth saving for

Currently players will save for centuries for one c giant that would get eaten be deads in seconds

And he's not even able to kill a dead with one hit

[solar comet]

Both giants are meant to be late game tanks, so they are pretty much guaranteed to die

[rapid berry]

3 units per hit is ridiculous

For giant

[solar comet]

That's a light unit, cgiants are anti heavy

[rapid berry]

He doesn't kill speartons with one hit either

[solar comet]

No sht

Speartons have 450 hp

But cgiants are still able to do incredible damage to them

[rapid berry]

60 per hit

So less than 20 per second

• they usually use their shields

So it gives us

Like

10 DMG/second?

Less than 2 swordwraths I guess

[solar comet]

That's way lower than their DPS

It's like 17-19 DPS against heavy

Also they have AOE

[rapid berry]

Speartons have shields

[solar comet]

So they could kill 3 speartons in 30 seconds

[solar comet]

That doesn't really do much against cgiants tbh

[solar comet]

Actually

It's 29.1 seconds

[rapid berry]

Assuming they would constantly hit

[solar comet]

You could UC

[rapid berry]

After a hit the unit gets knocked back and giant needs to go after it

And he's not a runner or anything

[solar comet]

And stun immunity makes it easier to hit them consistently

[rapid berry]

So it takes some time

And still speartons have shields

[solar comet]

In late game, that's actually better than not knocking them back

[rapid berry]

Which gives sth like 10-13dmg/sec

[solar comet]

16.4572 DPS against heavy

[rapid berry]

Assuming that the enemy is not massacring U with archidons and U have time to just walk around

[solar comet]

Only glacial fletching archidons have that level of cgiant murder capability

Also in 1v1 they still have to get tanks

So they won't be able to get like 25 archidons

[rapid berry]

It's rare for anyone not to have these on archidon spam deck

[solar comet]

From my experience, archidons are at their most dangerous state when in 2v2 and archispamming

[solar comet]

It's rare for anyone to not use other units along with cgiants

Magigiant
Giantcher

Those would destroy archispam

[rapid berry]

Magigiant is the only good use for chaos giants

[solar comet]

How dare you even think of saying that

[rapid berry]

But in the deck chaos giants don't even serve any attack purposes

[solar comet]

Cgiants can be good, even without monstrosity

[rapid berry]

Monstrosity is a must for them

[solar comet]

Just get other tanks to tank for them while the cgiants force the enemy back

[rapid berry]

With their 3 enemies per hit?

[solar comet]

I feel like you're always forgetting that you can use cgiants with other units too

[rapid berry]

It wouldn't work on dead spam

On archidon spam wouldn't either

On magikill spam either

[solar comet]

Did you even read this?

[solar comet]

You could just UC the cgiant

[rapid berry]

It's as if U said e giants don't need a nerf because U can just place chaos giant in front of Ur archidons

When comparing units we compare 1v1

[cold talon]

You said spam

Not really a 1v1 is it

[solar comet]

You don't have to spam cgiants, the main thing that makes stick war games good is that you can use combinations of units to make a strong strategy

[rapid berry]

By 1v1 I mean one class of units Vs another one

Ofc chaos giant would win against one archidon

But it doesn't mean chaos giants are better than archidons

[cold talon]

Then multiple giants work pretty well against dead spam

[solar comet]

Seriously?

You can't be serious

[rapid berry]

I am

[solar comet]

You're comparing units by max pop army VS max pop army when talking about 1v1?

[rapid berry]

Yes

Or by price

[cold talon]

Thats weird

10 giants > 100 zombies

[solar comet]

In that case, cgiants will lose even against magikill

You have to use COMBINATIONS

Not spam

[rapid berry]

Not really

10 deads would probably defeat one giant

Also

[solar comet]

Unlikely

[rapid berry]

It's much easier to make 10 deads than 1 giant

[rapid berry]

Waiting for sandbox mode aren't we

Also

[rapid berry]

.

Looking by price

U can have 30 deads for cost of one giant

[solar comet]

10 deads take longer to train than 1 cgiant

[rapid berry]

But U can start training much earlier

U don't need to collect 1500 gold first to start training them

[solar comet]

Yeah

[solar comet]

I didn't say that it's impossible, but it's unlikely for 10 deads to beat one cgiant

[rapid berry]

Still

[solar comet]

RoR deads have a much higher chance since it'll take 3 cgiants hits to kill

[rapid berry]

• summoned deads

• converting to deads

• marrowkai deads

[solar comet]

That's with TT and RoR both

[solar comet]

That's marrowkai's ability

Since when was Marrowkai included in a debate of who would win between 10 deads and 1 cgiant?

[rapid berry]

I'm saying that it's in general much easier to get 10 deads than one giant

[solar comet]

Of course it's going to be easier to get incredibly cheap early game units than a late game unit who is pretty much restricted to late game only unless you have a big advantage over the enemy in which case it'll be possible to get them mid game

[rapid berry]

And that's why no one plays giants

So they need a buff

[solar comet]

I remember when I used to turtle with TT RoR giantdead combo

[solar comet]

S07 with cgiant juggcher deck

[rapid berry]

U may not agree with my buff proposal but Ur honestly dumb if U claim c giant doesn't require a buff at all

[solar comet]

They don't need a buff, only an attack animation fix

A small buff maybe

[rapid berry]

U can't be serious

[solar comet]

But they don't need much buffs

[rapid berry]

By what Ur saying I assume U play chaos giants without monstrosity and you win most of the matches to state such opinion

And U have at least 1700 elo

[solar comet]

I don't play cgiants much

[rapid berry]

Everyone wants buff for units they play and nerf for units they don't play

Ur an example

[solar comet]

1660 because I got counter-rushed by crawler archer rush and swordcher rush

[rapid berry]

U probably spam archidons and speartons

[solar comet]

You mean spearcher?

[rapid berry]

Most NPC strategy

[rapid berry]

Average e giant hater

[solar comet]

Most people hate egiants and the only reason people use them is because they're OP

[rapid berry]

Why won't U use them then

0 iq

[boreal crypt]

1700 messages☠️

[solar comet]

1. It doesn't fit my play style
2. I prefer cgiants
3. I don't abuse OP sht and the only time I'll use OP stuff is if I'm getting frustrated over losing to OP sht

[rapid berry]

Just use rpis or other giants

Or minion spam

Or dead spam

Anything but archidon-spearton spam

[solar comet]

Egiants will melt through them

[boreal crypt]

What is the conversation about?

[solar comet]

Cgiants and egiants

[rapid berry]

They won't unless they are UC

[solar comet]

When have you seen people play egiants without UCing them?

[rapid berry]

@boreal crypt

Opinion on the buff

[boreal crypt]

Good idea, I've long thought that cgiants are weak

[rapid berry]

@solar comet hear this?

[solar comet]

Yes

[rapid berry]

@solar comet claims c giants don't need a buff at all

[boreal crypt]

They need at least some kind of buff

[solar comet]

Y'all aren't right in the head

How the fck is this rework balanced?

[rapid berry]

Said by one who doesn't even play chaos giants

[boreal crypt]

Maybe not like that, but c giants definitely need it

[solar comet]

@rapid berry hear this?

[boreal crypt]

Just any buff

[solar comet]

Even he said that this is too much

[rapid berry]

It makes chaos giants good against not so numerous melee units of all kind

And weak against total spam and against projectile units

As giants should be

[solar comet]

This makes cgiants strong against pretty much anything

Faster attack speed, way higher damage, way higher AOE, and more HP

[rapid berry]

I said it's my buff proposal which I claim as suitable but I'm open for other proposals

[solar comet]

This literally makes them stronger than egiants, which are already OP

Attack animation fix

That's the biggest buff they need rn

[rapid berry]

They lack all of these currently

Maybe HP buff is not necessary

[solar comet]

My guy

Even you are admitting that is too much

[rapid berry]

But melee giant can't be slower and weaker than projectile giant

And e giant doesn't need a nerf but a counter

[solar comet]

It already has counters

But that doesn't change the fact that it's OP

Egiants just need a rework

And if they have the catapult mode, then cgiants should have the earthquake ability (but different from swl earthquake of course)

[rapid berry]

I once made a proposal about new earthquake

[solar comet]

Where?

[rapid berry]

That would cause low damage, stun, affect area around the giant not ahead and would recharge quickly

[boreal crypt]

Maybe by the way

[rapid berry]

In some general giants post

[solar comet]

Oh yeah I remember that

[boreal crypt]

Or remove catapult mode, I don't like the way it looks

[solar comet]

What was the cooldown and how damage did it do? I can't remember exactly

[solar comet]

It should be made as a monstrosity exclusive and earthquake fr cgiants should also be added but also as a monstrosity exclusive

[rapid berry]

Probably around 10 dmg and 6 sec cooldown

[solar comet]

What was the AOE?

[rapid berry]

Probably 6 or sth like this

Range similar to magikill explosion

[rapid berry]

(wen killed, not fulmination)

[solar comet]

That's a bit low don't you think? It looks like something that would be made to stop giants from getting cheesed by UC units

[solar comet]

That's still not much, it's like something that would be made to stop cgiants from getting cheesed

[rapid berry]

It's something to deal with UC atreyos

[solar comet]

So something mostly made to counter spearspam?

[rapid berry]

No

[solar comet]

I once made a post about an unit that would be made to counter heavy spam

[solar comet]

Not once, I reposted that like 4-5 times

[rapid berry]

Made for countering UC units that can literally run around Ur giant and make themselves unable to hit

Ofc it's impossible to UC multiple speartons

[rapid berry]

Archidons, swordwraths and deads

[solar comet]

If you're in that kind of situation, then you're most likely playing wrong or your entire backline is dead and you have only 1 cgiant left

[solar comet]

It's not meant to counter light unit spam

It was basically a mini cgiant but faster

[rapid berry]

When U play c giant spam it's especially annoying

I once mentioned proposal of tribal giant for elemental empire

That would be like chaos giant

He would hit with a tree

And would carry a body

[solar comet]

That's literally just a cgiant but without the chaos passive heal and cure

[rapid berry]

900 HP, 1500 gold, 30 (+10L) dmg

And he would be much faster than chaos giant

[gusty patrol]

Chillax, we only need the 2 attacks to be the same speed

not some mathematical equation that AI cant even solve

[solar comet]

It's way too similar to cgiants, it would either be outclassed by cgiants or outclass cgiants

[rapid berry]

He would counter light units especially archidons

And would be weak against giants and heavies

[solar comet]

Do you have beef with archidons?

[rapid berry]

So like opposite of chaos giant

[rapid berry]

Wdym

[solar comet]

In your every post you complain about archidons basically hardcountering cgiants

What's the deal with that?

Do you just hate archidons?

[rapid berry]

No

Archidons are balanced

But I'm showing an example of units this guy would be good against

Also

It's rare to see a 2v2 match without archidons

So they are often the topic

They are main attack force in most of the decks I guess

[solar comet]

2v2 when talking about balancing? Bad

[rapid berry]

I play 2v2 mostly

[solar comet]

But yeah it is rare to see a match without archidons

[solar comet]

Wanna play 2v2?

[rapid berry]

Sure

[solar comet]

My username is fanideasguy#7140

[boreal crypt]

Good ending?

[rapid berry]

We will see

[rapid berry]

What servers U on?

[solar comet]

EU

[rapid berry]

Ok

[boreal crypt]

So where did you stop in your conversation?

[rapid berry]

@solar comet

U online?

[boreal crypt]

Are friends searched by nickname and server or what?

[solar comet]

I'mma restart the game

[rapid berry]

We need to be on the same servers I guess

[boreal crypt]

Got it

[solar comet]

@rapid berry what's your username?

[rapid berry]

SlavicMC#2984

[solar comet]

Restart game

[boreal crypt]

Славик?

[rapid berry]

Да

[solar comet]

@rapid berry update your game

[rapid berry]

I just did

[gusty patrol]

All fun and games until fan ideas guy uses Velkolax's username to somehow leak his address

[rapid berry]

I live in Ur walls

[gusty patrol]

I live in the streets

[rapid berry]

I live in the pavement then

[gusty patrol]

Finally, it's been a couple days since I friended random people

thanks for giving me more friends

[solar comet]

This my deck

[rapid berry]

Hmm

Don't use 2 heavies on same queue

Remove either spears or rips

I would remove rips honestly

[solar comet]

I plan on using spears for early game and then ripps until I get cgiants

[rapid berry]

Replace them with crawlers swords or bombers

Or archidons

[solar comet]

I want to be the tank player

[rapid berry]

Well I usually try to hold the center with one spearton and bomber spam

[boreal crypt]

I'm glad that someone understands this too

[rapid berry]

If I fail I start saving for vop and egiants

[rapid berry]

I play e giants with spears because monstrosity separates queues

[boreal crypt]

I know

[rapid berry]

Get the spears some light support

I would recommend

But generally fine I guess

[solar comet]

You have bombers

I'm just going to be the tank

[rapid berry]

Get Urself bombers too

2 bomber spams are usually deadly

[solar comet]

Swords

[rapid berry]

Also when playing vop U probably assume U will be replacing the giants

So I don't see purpose in healing

Unless U will be using it in early stage

[rapid berry]

Good too

[solar comet]

It's to make my tanks last longer

[rapid berry]

Alr

Play

[solar comet]

Also I won't be able to play rn

[rapid berry]

💀

[solar comet]

I have to leave soon

[rapid berry]

Why did we even connect then bruh

[boreal crypt]

1860 + messages

Can we do 2000?

[rapid berry]

We can

[solar comet]

We spent so much time trying to party and then debating what to use that now we don't have enough time to play

[rapid berry]

💀

So no play?

[solar comet]

Not rn

[rapid berry]

Ok

[solar comet]

Maybe later

[boreal crypt]

Может мы с тобой 1 катку?

Хотя здесь по русски нельзя много писать, иностранный язык, все дела

[solar comet]

Don't forget rule 5

[boreal crypt]

Yes

[rapid berry]

Я плохо говорю по русски

[boreal crypt]

In English, i know

[rapid berry]

Tp to post ⬆️

[last gull]

I like this, but how many people do you reckon are willing to read this? I'd say it's 1 in a 100, bc everyone has a 10 second attention span

[cold talon]

Definitely not lmao

[gusty patrol]

If user controlled then yes

[solar comet]

Just played 3 matches with cgiants

I won 2 because of them and lost one of them because I was playing juggtdead cgiant and I couldn't use tdeads because of shadows

I still did manage to make a shadowripp player with a decent army retreat from the tower with max monstrosity cgiants and juggs

[boreal crypt]

What cooldown between posts in fan ideas?

[solar comet]

1 hour

[boreal crypt]

I just have 4 ideas for posts

[boreal crypt]

Good

[solar comet]

Imo cgiants are balanced

But tbh monstrosity feels underwhelming

But if gets buffed then it's going to be OP

[boreal crypt]

I won't post with the cgiants, don't worry

[solar comet]

Okay

[gusty patrol]

It needs slight buff

very very slight

[solar comet]

Like what?

[gusty patrol]

[solar comet]

The attack animation fix?

I can agree with that

[gusty patrol]

yes

[rapid berry]

Assuming no boosts are provided then they would have a chance

But looking at the cost

30 deads would easily defeat a giant

[solar comet]

30 deads take 6.25 times longer to train than giants, are basically free gold to enemies with smithy, take up 3 times more pop, and take 1 less arrow than cgiants to be killed by archidons even though their total HP is 2160 and a max monstrosity cgiant's HP is 1450

3 cgiants even without monstrosity have 840 more HP than 30 deads and take 2.25 time less than 30 deads to train

3 max monstrosity cgiants have double the HP of 30 deads

There's a reason why cgiants are used as late game tanks and why people don't try to get a cgiant early

That being cgiants are literally the best tank in terms of HP per pop but other tanks have better HP to cost ratio

Even without monstrosity, cgiants have 100 HP per pop, egiants and spears have 90 HP per pop

[rapid berry]

@solar comet

We plae

?

[solar comet]

👍

[solar comet]

Get on

[rapid berry]

Play

[rapid berry]

💀

[solar comet]

[rapid berry]

as U can see

dead spam > giant spam

[solar comet]

We would've destroyed them if red didn't have giants too

Also we lost the tower way too early

And they could get giants faster than we could

[rapid berry]

well

another one?

[solar comet]

I don't feel like it

[rapid berry]

💀

[solar comet]

And I have homework to do too

[rapid berry]

ok

[solar comet]

👍

[rapid berry]

next time play e giants instead

[vagrant trail]

Ehh sure why not.

[vagrant trail]

I'm late to see this post but definitely agree on HP and maybe damage boost. Attack mode .

[gilded dagger]

Giant User Guy approved

[vagrant trail]

Nice the man himself confirmed it.