Bomber perk - upgrade

[stoic elk]

Upgrade boosting bombers:

I.
50 gold, 50 crystal, 20 s
Bombers can injure up to 5 enemies

II.
100 gold, 100 crystal, 30 s
The less enemies a bomber injures the more damage it deals:

• 5 e - 100% dmg
• 4 e - 125% dmg
• 3 e - 150% dmg
• 2 e - 175% dmg
• 1 e - 200% dmg

III.
200 gold, 200 crystal, 40 s
Bombers stun all enemies they injure

[twin coral]

Eee

Bomber will be usefull

[vocal ferry]

Maybe it should be a like 50% cance to stun, and probably like 1 e - 200$ to 5 e - 70%

200%

[stoic elk]

Bomber's description: "devastating explosion"

Meanwhile the explosion: won't even kill a crawler

[frosty mirage]

Nah, chances are bad.

[frosty mirage]

Wth, this only adds 1-2 damage 💀

[stoic elk]

At the point you have the upgrade on level III the opponent will likely already have a certain army capable of stopping bombers so these need to be good to keep bombers useful

[stoic elk]

Wdym

[frosty mirage]

Nvm

Math wasn't mathing

Now, 75 damage

The damage is way high for a 50 gold unit, even if it's suicidal

Minimun damage this will do is 50 to 75 max

[vocal ferry]

Maybe instead of more damage, it creates more. Upgrades are 1-2, each one makes and extra bomber per tier, so tier 2 would make 3 every time you make one

[stoic elk]

200% of 25 damage is 50

[frosty mirage]

No, it's 75

[stoic elk]

[vocal ferry]

200% of 25 is 50

[frosty mirage]

That would be 100%

Uh

[vocal ferry]

2x25=50

Right?

[frosty mirage]

Ye

Oh sh

[vocal ferry]

See your error?

[frosty mirage]

Yes but

[vocal ferry]

But this might be good

Or not

I'm not good

Just want to have fun

[frosty mirage]

Idk

I was thinking about adding them more cap

[stoic elk]

I think that there should be upgrade for spirit bombers from center tower

[frosty mirage]

Bombers are actually good, is just their AI that is bad

[vocal ferry]

Ai upgrade?

Lol, idk

[stoic elk]

Nah they are not

[frosty mirage]

They could kill your backline in seconds, if they had a good AI

[vocal ferry]

Same with archerdons

And every other unit

[frosty mirage]

But they are better at that job

[stoic elk]

AI upgrades for 100% won't be added because Ur supposed to manage units, not them

[frosty mirage]

Not saying they should add that

[vocal ferry]

I did as a joke

[stoic elk]

Also they suck against heavy units

Imagine how many bombers U would need to kill a giant

[vocal ferry]

Rate my setup

I won with it

CHAOS RULES

[frosty mirage]

Real

[stoic elk]

Giant has 1000 HP, bomber 25 dmg, so you need 40 bombers to kill a giant

[vocal ferry]

In one go

[stoic elk]

💀

[vocal ferry]

I'm soooo goooooood

This is what I use tho

[stoic elk]

Average

[vocal ferry]

Basic but gets the job done

[frosty mirage]

Is meh

[vocal ferry]

I also use

Cus ha

[vocal ferry]

It seems that you have a better opinion than I do

[outer socket]

crazy

[frosty mirage]

Crazy? I was crazy on-

[stoic elk]

[lapis moss]

Bombers with poison upgrade are pretty good actually

[outer socket]

and annoying in general

if it's used by you.

It's all fair in game's

but against you?

it's

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-gif-25175746

[nocturne fox]

new base bomber 35hp 80dmg 75g0m on 1 enemy hit 3-60% 2-80% 1-100% lvl 1 4-60% 3-80% 2-100% 1-120% lvl2 5-60% 4-80% 3-100% 2-120% 1-140%

[stoic elk]

Only against light order units

[stoic elk]

[hallow vale]

I love this idea

[stoic elk]

[north widget]

Kinda op don't you think? Maybe increase the price, bombers are cheap, train fast and move fast, them constantly stunning your units will most definitely not be good for your army

[stoic elk]

can be killed by one archidon

and you need 40 bombers to kill just one giant

🗿

they need to be useful against anyone

[north widget]

Bombers are an area damage unit

They're supposed to be good against hordes of light, low HP units

Not tanks

They already have good burst damage

[stoic elk]

currently one giant hit is much better at literally everything than bombers explosion

and bomber explodes once, while giants will hit as long as hes alive

[north widget]

And giving them the ability to stun 5 units at once would make them way too strong considering how many you can send out over a long battle

[stoic elk]

and giant doesnt die from 2 arrows

[stoic elk]

they explode and are gone

[north widget]

They do need a buff but constant stun on 5 units with only one bomber would be capable of killing 5 units with only 1 unit and a few bombers

[north widget]

They're suicide bombers, of course they explode

[stoic elk]

giant/enslaved giant lore

[north widget]

They can't constantly stun 5 units

[stoic elk]

if they are one time use they need this one time to be actually good

[stoic elk]

send one spearton earlier so that they explode on him

[north widget]

Increase the fire damage by 1 and increase their damage to 30(+5H)

They'll actually be useful against hordes and for damage that way

[stoic elk]

currently 2 bombers cant kill one dead

[north widget]

Bombers are supposed to be horde destroyers and can't even kill a crawler which literally depends on being in a horde

[stoic elk]

so you need at least 3 bombers to kill 4 deads

[frosty mirage]

But 2 bombers can kill 5 deads

Which is a good trade

[stoic elk]

3 bombers cost: 225 gold
4 deads cost: 200 gold

[north widget]

No they can't

[stoic elk]

• bombers respawn as deads if poisoned

which makes them even worse against deads hordes

[north widget]

If crawlers get to not respawn as enemy deads, then so should bombers

[frosty mirage]

62 damage

(Includes fire)

[frosty mirage]

They dont anymore

They are marked as 'creatures'

Which makes them inmune to ror

[stoic elk]

taking care of the fact the creators havent changed it for them but they did for crawlers may mean they never will

[north widget]

Dead HP most of the time: 72 + chaos passive heal

[stoic elk]

they do

i just played

[frosty mirage]

You sure you updated?

[stoic elk]

yes

[frosty mirage]

Let me check

[stoic elk]

go ahead

[vocal plover]

Revive this idea cuz it good

[ancient parrot]

Makes the bomber more threatening. Rerevive this post.

[vocal plover]

fr

[small scroll]

The second level is just void spell from clash royale

[small scroll]

Before the Void Spell

[pale ferry]

Supercell be copying from fan ideas eh

[hoary isle]

this should definitely help against tanks. but also dealing damage to 5 instead of 3 enemies is very strong. Perhaps the stun is a little too strong, because that's how you can stun an entire army. I think lvl 3 can be changed so that bombers stun only 3 enemy with priority on enemies with high hp

[pale ferry]

i think stun duration exists, so if you want bombers to do AOE stun you can just shorten the duration of the stun somewhere below a second

[vocal plover]

cgiant can stun 4 enemies once per 3 seconds

and no one cares

[north widget]

3

And a giant dying is way more devastating for the user than a few bombers dying

[vocal plover]

by "can" i mean its capable to (with monstrosity) but not always will

[north widget]

I know

But 3 is the main AOE of cgiants

4 is with an upgrade, which doesn't really count

[vocal plover]

"can" does not mean "will"

which part u dont understand

[pale ferry]

Giants are slow af, if you get hit by it its impossible to say “Im not prepared for it”. plus giants are only a threat late game.
bombers on the other hand are already a threat early game, is fast, and its damage is tied to its death anyway. it takes 20 bombers to equal the cost of a single giant, while a giant rarely gets 20 hits if used as a tank.

[iron fern]

yes but still unbalanced

i mean im glad that stun isnt the first upgrade

but i can see how this would be broken later in the game

this does give bombers actual previlance late game (ignoring uc 🤮 )

[north widget]

They can still be used in late game tho

Even without this upgrade

You can use them for their intended purpose

[iron fern]

eco harras?

i dont get bombers honestly

ive seen them mostly for anti crawler early

distractions usualy

[rancid tide]

Have you seen uc tt ror bombers?it's very simple
to use and pretty effective at least in 2v2

1v1 not so much I think

[north widget]

AOE assassins

Even against single target backline units, you're still going into an economic advantage

Against a stack of eclipsors or archers, you're going into a massive economic and pop advantage

[steep chasm]

nope

this balance suck

[iron fern]

but you spend alot of resources to get 1-2 bombers into the back ling in the first place

[north widget]

While you waste a maximum of 7 pop worth of bombers on eclipsors, they could potentially lose up to 20 pop worth of eclipsors

[steep chasm]

this just make harrasing backliner easier than ever

and bruh seriously for the cost of 75 u cancel any melee backline sniping

[north widget]

You could use the forbidden method of UC and running across the edges

[iron fern]

eclipsors are ususaly pretty good at shooting light units

[iron fern]

this is why i hate uc

[steep chasm]

bomber still good in lg no matter what

[iron fern]

which is a good thing but this isnt gonna do that

[steep chasm]

their chip dmg is ridicilous for the cost of 75

[iron fern]

backline assasinations via UC is wayyy to op

UC should be removed or be a mythinc card

[steep chasm]

and haaving 4 bomber ready at ur backline is enough to harash enemy range unit

game would be brainded

no1 even bother playing that game that point

[iron fern]

bombers arent tanky they take like 3 hits from a normal archidon

eclips 2 shot them

[steep chasm]

uc ignore:

[north widget]

This is why I usually keep like at least 3 pop free for bombers whenever I use them

[iron fern]

UC is broken

[north widget]

2 for both ranged units

[iron fern]

oh

yeah bombers are easily shot down

[rancid tide]

I accidentally revived it I guess

[steep chasm]

they r not

[north widget]

They are

[iron fern]

yes if you let AI they are if you are UC scum no they arent

[steep chasm]

bomber isnt ez to shut down when uc

their speed make up for it

[iron fern]

"When UC"

[north widget]

UnUC archer:

[iron fern]

yeah while you UC 1 bomber

1 bomber at a time

[rancid tide]

You can't uc an entire pack of bombers
One at a time

If you see it once you know it's coming back again

[sleek peak]

If only you could

That would be chaotic

[iron fern]

also if your actualy good with archer spam which can only get you to like plat you learn back pedaling fast

backpeadaling is actualy a great counter to UC

[sleek peak]

archidon spammers when I use rage + shadowwrath + snow squall:

[north widget]

And you don't need to

[iron fern]

me when i have 1 spear fighting and 1 spear cycling

single spear cycle is horrensu

[steep chasm]

I dont see archer as a problem at all

[iron fern]

archer isnt a n issue

they are practicaly hard countered by scorch

[steep chasm]

current meta is atreyos pike spam fr

[iron fern]

atreyos

i hate

atreyos

[steep chasm]

just use turtle for the fun of it

[iron fern]

i run spear magi bc i cant uc on phone pen bc phone digitalizer broke

[iron fern]

"""fun"""

[rancid tide]

I was playing chaos in 1v1 I had an entire stack of juggs eclipsors and marrowkai
I lose to spear spam

[waxen hound]

Ew

[iron fern]

spears got buffed last update

[north widget]

You'll get destroyed so hard that it won't be fun anymore

[rancid tide]

Did they get buffed again?

[steep chasm]

wall:

[sleek peak]

I use deadspam

[north widget]

Won't save you

[steep chasm]

it will save u

[iron fern]

max wall has the hp of 1 spearton

[steep chasm]

I clutch a bunch with wall

[waxen hound]

How can someone this?

[steep chasm]

they r building

[north widget]

It won't, trust me, I used wall a lot when turtling, and it didn't save me

[steep chasm]

they get dmg reduction

[north widget]

Takes too much effort to set up for it to be worth it

[iron fern]

wall needs buff

[steep chasm]

that only happen if they have squall

[north widget]

It's only worth setting up if you're already on base or near your base

[iron fern]

wall is good if you have magi but its also a handicap if your army isnt fast enough

[steep chasm]

tower camp an push:

basically a must if u want to protect ur mage

[iron fern]

tower

[steep chasm]

and cancel the stupid hold spear strat

[iron fern]

towerplayers 🤮

tower abusers 🤮

[north widget]

You turtling or stalling?

[steep chasm]

turtle doesnt abuse tower lmao

[waxen hound]

They will rework the upgrades anyways

[iron fern]

stalling does

[steep chasm]

they abuse magikill to the max limit

[iron fern]

oh yeah forgot about that

tower stallers 🤮

[rancid tide]

When you think you have a chance to beat the opponent but the opponent has spear,Tesla and walls

[sleek peak]

I don’t care how disgusting it is, if it’s a means of countering meta by making my opponent reenact a war battle for the tower or else their statue dies I’m gonna use it

[steep chasm]

sadly they dont stand a chance against shaowrip

fr 240 potential dps is busted

[iron fern]

you forget : tower stall is meta plus its a crutch

[rancid tide]

I haven't seen shadow rip in a while and I'm glad I haven't seen it

[steep chasm]

shadowrip win a place in my heart for busting those tower staller lmao

[iron fern]

if you dont cap tower thats half your deck being basicly void

[sleek peak]

A crutch for a broken and horribly balanced game

[sleek peak]

Yep. Instead of an RTS game it’s a “king of the hill” game

[iron fern]

i beat shadow rip with magispear only bc netither of us felt like UCing

[iron fern]

no its rock paper scissors

[steep chasm]

does he have spearos

[iron fern]

as its a deck builder

[iron fern]

nah pure shaddow rip

[steep chasm]

that deck def bad lmao

[iron fern]

yeah lol

generals are actualy busted

[sleek peak]

Oh sweet, always wanted a RPS 2

Except marro

[iron fern]

rock paper scissors but like 20+ stepps

[steep chasm]

towerstall is everything the same time

if ure wondering who behind the idea of towerstalling

the first ever tower stall

it me

and riptor guy

I basically take his deck and improve it

then some one rip it off and replace with scorch

[waxen hound]

Deadspam is a stall deck

[iron fern]

tower stall is annoying but unless a general is present i found that magi spear does well against spearcher stall and giant rush is good against pure spear tower stall

[sleek peak]

Indeed it is

[steep chasm]

ngl

the person who created the juggclaw vamp

[iron fern]

dead spam is actualy ass in my experience i always steam roll dead spam unless they have a general

[steep chasm]

is a whole nother lv of stupidity

[waxen hound]

Why the bomber troll emoji

[steep chasm]

deadspam surge squall:

[iron fern]

jug crawl vamp is annoying bit not that hard

[steep chasm]

I steam roll anyone that doesnt use atreyos pike spam

[iron fern]

[sleek peak]

Me who uses this shit-

[steep chasm]

horrible

[iron fern]

ew

[steep chasm]

tunnel>tower spawn

[iron fern]

thats just bad

[steep chasm]

tunnel carry u later on

[iron fern]

tunnel is hard carry fr

[sleek peak]

Tbh I might grab tunnel

[iron fern]

while tower spawn is... alright?

you need tunnel

[sleek peak]

Marrow already is a walking tower spawn

[iron fern]

it provides way too much stall

bro i beat the dead spammer but he had tunnel tesla and all the spawns

the tower its self took out 20-30% of my army

it was voltic, tesla, tunnel, spiritons, tower deads, Tdeads

and ROR

[rancid tide]

Pure cancer indeed

[iron fern]

he was at lv 4 tower and he made 1 mistake

actualy attacking

wasnt like a hard attack but i killed 3-5 Tdeads

[rancid tide]

If he had a brain he would've won but a dead spammer......
Yeah

[iron fern]

and then when i realized all he had was Tdeads i poped bubble

spear magi is actualy peak tho

unless a general is on feild

[rancid tide]

I haven't used magi in quite a while

[iron fern]

specificly the spear generals

[waxen hound]

Spearton*

[iron fern]

magi is ass by itsself

[waxen hound]

Spearton is a pain on the ass- if you are using magikill

[iron fern]

you need both enchants to run it

[iron fern]

spear magi is good if you keep your magis close to your spears

[rancid tide]

Mana blast and what?

[iron fern]

minions are perfect meat sheilds

[iron fern]

burst*

[north widget]

"pure" shadowripp is technically classic shadowripp, which uses spearos

[rancid tide]

I forgot the name

[iron fern]

and brilliance

[waxen hound]

Spear magi is mid

[iron fern]

spear magi is peak

[north widget]

Mana burst can murder shadows

[rancid tide]

For the 25% cost reduction

[iron fern]

fr if i get acid rained and i got like 10 magis and 2 spears

[north widget]

Literally all you need to do is sac 3, or potentially just 2 magiks, and most of the shadowripp DPS is just gone

[sleek peak]

“Pocket mortar”

[iron fern]

i usualy UC magikills to self destruct on statue

[sleek peak]

Same

[waxen hound]

do you uc?

[rancid tide]

How much damage does it have against statue?

[waxen hound]

Impressive

[sleek peak]

100

[iron fern]

after like the 3rd or fourth wave

[sleek peak]

So half a laser

[iron fern]

staties get down to like 500 hp and all it is is self destruct

magis are better bombers lol

[north widget]

Magiks hardcounter shadowripp fr

[rancid tide]

I once used marrowkai with brilliance,I have never used it again since

[iron fern]

yes shadow rip get destroyed by spear magi

[sleek peak]

Normal players watching as I play a turtle deck like a rush deck:

[iron fern]

brilliance only affects order magical units as i rmemeber

[iron fern]

turtle rush is actualy busted

[rancid tide]

No it affects chaos too

[iron fern]

depends on which Giant you use

[north widget]

Me too, also shadowripp is technically a turtle deck but for rushers

[iron fern]

it does?

[north widget]

It affects all magic

[rancid tide]

Yes

[sleek peak]

Oh please give me that deck

[iron fern]

oh sheesh

was it alwyas like that

[rancid tide]

Yes

[sleek peak]

Meaning you can get a cheaper Marrokai

Because it effects chaos too

[rancid tide]

I know that because I once used two upgrades so I thought brilliance might be good and I got cost reduction on marrowkai

[sleek peak]

I just realized something

[rancid tide]

Ok

[sleek peak]

Mera and Magis are also magical units, so when they release would we get discounts on them with brilliance?

[rancid tide]

I think yeah

[sleek peak]

[rancid tide]

Oh no

We don't know what Mera will bring to the table but it will be broken to some degree

[sleek peak]

Bro Mera Magis and Marrowkai bouta recreate the bad time trio from Undertale

[rancid tide]

Wait I'm gonna record this poll as the most sidetracked poll
Started at bomber, then spear magi and then shadowrip, brilliance,magis and now Undertale

[north widget]

Eminer
Archers
Shadows
Ripps
HHW
Smithy
Spearos
Vamp

Classic shadowripp

[sleek peak]

Ty

[waxen hound]

When i saw that deck make me remember when vibrah used juggshadow against me with vamp, when he knows i was using tdeads

[north widget]

Vibrah indirectly created shadowripp

[waxen hound]

I know the story

[north widget]

I still can't get over the fact that shadowripp is literally a troll deck

Gtg now

[north widget]

I'mma revive this cuz why not

[north widget]

I got over it :>

[old shell]

As the bomber council. I, approve this message.