How to nerf Archidons the RIGHT way

[true flame]

Just reduce their speed by a good amount.

Simple, yet effective.

The main strength of the Archidon is that they can just fire at enemies without getting hit themselves. Players abuse this, they can simply backpedal away from the enemy repeatedly, let the Archidons fire at them, and escape again.

[hollow sierra]

no this would kill archer users ability to micro

although mabey making their reload longer or mabey making arrows from non castle archer slower or smth

i dont think this would be a goo dway to do it

[true flame]

what do you mean by "ability to micro"?

[hollow sierra]

well allowing your army to dodge attaks

like retreating but attacking to let out a volley before retreating again

[true flame]

This can be easily abused, a spam of archidons can simply get behind the statue or something like that and rain down on the attacking army, forcing them to retreat. Archidons have a lot of enchants and useful spells that go well with them like Blazing Bolts.

this is meant to counter Archi spam

[errant vale]

As you just said

[true flame]

this is not about Tdeads, this nerf is towards Archidons

[errant vale]

Archi has a lot of spells and enchants backing them up

[hollow sierra]

yes ik i forgot to delet it i was doing smth else and pressed enter

[hollow sierra]

ik that players shouldnt be forced to User Control but as its in the tutorial this would force people to use it and become more proficient

but

UC is my awnser

[true flame]

what? what does UC have to do with my comment or something?

[hollow sierra]

UC to beat archis shooting behind tower

[true flame]

How is one unit gonna be able to kill like an entire spammed legion of Archidon? that do like 10 damage per arrow? Your gonna see that UC'd unit dead in like a hot minute or something.

[hollow sierra]

yeah its not a perminant soulution

archers dont need a 50% move slow tho

[true flame]

i never said 50%, I did but I removed the thing because I assumed people were downvoting me due to that. I never really meant that big of a nerf, more like 20% or just "a good amount" smh

[hollow sierra]

ok that sounded bad but i feel 50% is over kill

oh sorry

well yeah then this is great

[true flame]

ok now can somebody please upvote this thing or un-downvote this post or something? This is a good change imo, and I think the devs will look at this post more if it has more upvotes then downvotes (if they check this channel at all)

[errant vale]

Uhh

No

[true flame]

fair enough

[hollow sierra]

devs prob dont even look at these 😦 if they do they certantly arent taking thsese seriously

[errant vale]

Campaign

[true flame]

ye, I think they're putting all their attention to campaign progress and not balancing

[hollow sierra]

happening eventualy

[true flame]

and even then it's slow

[hollow sierra]

its like what a hand full of devs total?

[errant vale]

Last time i was here, its

[hollow sierra]

like 5

[errant vale]

6?

[hollow sierra]

idk

[past schooner]

Maybe

[turbid ledge]

what is nerfing archidons the LEFT way?

[crimson lava]

Making them only move left

[hollow sierra]

💀

[lusty shell]

Ia good idea

[stark garden]

just delete frozen arrow

Then archidon spam not a headache anymore

if you lose ro fire arrow or no enchant its your skill issue

only thing arxh spam make viable dumb slowdown arrow

[stark garden]

use spearos

[rich peak]

Acutally

What If When They Run Away They Cant Reload.

And When Standing it takes time for them to reload

[ionic dirge]

... sounds like a skill issue

But jokes aside, this would not do anything.

The proper fix to kiting is to do what TheClown said, force them to stand still to reload.

But it is not even a problem. Tower is. Make a post about that.

[turbid ledge]

the center tower existing menacingly on every balance adjustment post

[past schooner]

so true

[stark garden]

main problem is dumb slowdown arrow

ıt make kitin untoucable

on low number of archıdon

ı not a problem

but when spammed

fuck

[median whale]

Archidons nerf damage from 10 to 4 because its literally no skill trash asf when two players spam them.
And reduce damage when archers shoot to speartons blocking to 1-2 damage Because in real life arrows wouldn't pierce a shield for example the arrows that was shot at the Spartans in movie 300 didn't do anything. So technically I'm right on this an it should be changed to this

[covert tinsel]

rip kiting

[covert tinsel]

how ze fuck is 300 gold for 4 damage fair

[stark garden]

he is dumb who only play 2v2 skilless bitch

[past schooner]

I feel like @ Life#0352 will Suddenly say certain things nobody wants to see

[covert tinsel]

yea 450 shots just to kill a spearton is overkill

[stark garden]

very balanced

[median whale]

Skill less? I've beaten grandmasters before. And in 2vs me by myself countless times. Don't at me with that skilless crap

[stark garden]

%90 grandmasters skılless

they just clicka tatck buton

and wın

[stark garden]

also ı cant accept somone who make that ıdea have skıll

[median whale]

Yeah x2 the army . Double Archer spam. If you don't agree. Then you don't understand realistic things like a simple arrows hitting a shield

[stark garden]

archer spam not broken

you can beat ıt

ıt just annoyıng

but most people cant because they just abuse dumb thıngs and they fkn skilless

[stark garden]

bro is magic is reliastic?

is fkn calling meteor strike deads

and dumb a tower fall and rise reliastic?

is FKN ARROW WİTH İCE MAGİC RELİASTİC

its a mobil fun strategy game

NOT A DUMB HEAVY PC GAME WITH TRUE MECHANIC

[median whale]

Lol ok kid whatever

[stark garden]

ım not kid,

calling somone kid when you udnerstund you wrong and not accepting

wow how creative

how brainful

it why ı hate people

[past schooner]

considering the fact that you said " udnerstund " and saying that your not a kid

you gonna make him think you are a kid

[stark garden]

my mother language not englısh

ım stıll learner

and people always dont care that fact

[past schooner]

that's true.

[marsh heron]

But you kinda need archer support when you charge your whole army so those few seconds deprived from archer fire might be deadly

[versed bronze]

True! Archidon spam isn't that op it is just irritating because it takes some skill and strategy to counter it also I haven't seen many archidon spam decks in top decks. I'm not even high ranked but archidon spam isn't bad.

I think the reason so many players don't like archidon spammers is because it is a low skill level deck to use, and mainly because there are no direct counters to archidon spam.

I can't really think of any unit we have right now that counters archidon spam really well.

But once we get the new units, spells, enchantments and upgrades archidon spam will have some hard counters and will be easier to deal with.

To me anyone who says to nerf archidon spam has less skill then the people using archidon spam.
Like it isn't that hard to counter just don't let them build up archidons!

[versed bronze]

Niko brought up a good point, what a lame ass dumb idiot response. You only say that because you don't have a good answer. Lol

[covert tinsel]

Glad someone else agrees that Archer spam isnt all great and powerful

[covert tinsel]

But a simple spear general running towards the archers can push the back a lot

[hollow sierra]

badly microed archi spammers are easy to beat and if they are pushed to statue they are easy to kill but people shouldnt be forced to put a general or use giants

[ionic dirge]

Insert: bubble

[vapid stream]

Nerf arrow hitbox

The only nerf i want to archidon

[versed bronze]

Ok i can agree with this I think

[versed bronze]

Bruh your right! Lol

[hollow sierra]

i dont like that realy low your kinda forced to have bubble

[versed bronze]

Yeah

It will be better once there are more new cards

More direct counters will allow for better and more unique decks

[versed bronze]

Yeah that is true

[livid owl]

cry

bronze alike dude thinks he mastered the game after he beated one gm 💀

[gloomy lava]

If nerfs like this, I don't know how to fight Atreyos+Pike

[versed bronze]

Ahahah lol he is so salty what child

[median whale]

Beated alot of them. Not just one. Know more about it before talking. Dude think you know it all when you don't

[median whale]

Let's see you try to win by yourself. With archers only. Against 50 Archers.
They have double tower spawners x2 and bubble x2. You won't ever win I guarantee it

[livid owl]

wow this dude beated a lot of gms

that makes me so scared in my ass

[livid owl]

wanna try? I will make exact same situation

[stark garden]

just delete dumb frozen arrow

it must stop arch spam

only thing make archer spam deadly frozen arrow

because it allow archieons hit enenemy while case

and cheap enemy much

other archidonmspams not even dangerous

[versed bronze]

I mean your right I probably wouldn't win, but think about it when does that happen? Also if you can win and beat that, WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT ARCHIDON SPAM? If you can't do that why are you giving such an absurd example?

I apologize if my message is unintelligible.

[versed bronze]

Yeah i guess so

I feel like once we have more cards archidon spam will be almost useless

[stark garden]

actualy archidon spam will more op

when devs realese boyer trap

[versed bronze]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

But also general wrathnar

[stark garden]

it balanced

it like old xiphos

[versed bronze]

Yeah

I dunno I feel like archidon spam will eventually just phase out as we get new cards

I could probably be completely wrong though.

[livid owl]

This

^^^^^^^

[ionic dirge]

Frozen arrow:

• 15% slow (from 30%)

[ionic dirge]

Maybe play 1v1s then. Or find a friend to play with you.

[stark garden]

no

slow arrow trash without archidon spam

nerfing it make it unusable card

instead of it just delete

[sterile ruin]

Do the same with eclipsor thi

Tho

Or eclipsor will cruzhh

🦆

[ionic dirge]

Toxic dead spam

[ionic dirge]

Speararcher, juggarcher, juggelsc. All those decks would use ice arrows if acid rain wasn't a big problem

Btw, the thought of acid rain makes people bring vamp

Acid rain is very weak

But against decks with no healing.... Very overpowered

It is like rock paper scissors with extra steps.

[livid owl]

no

ice arrow wouldn't be used but archerspam

the archerspam he mentioned has no cure

[ionic dirge]

? But... Vamp is only used to cure poison... Ice and fire arrows would be the more used mythic if poison is not meta.

[livid owl]

Ice and fire arrows are barely used

[ionic dirge]

I just said why

[livid owl]

lemme explain

fire arrow doesn't really affect a lot in mass fight

since its damage mostly stacks in few targets

[ionic dirge]

Better in early game

[livid owl]

and ice arrows are trash when the fight comes with ranged + tank vs ranged + tank

slowing down tank units is useless

so its only useful when you sole use arcbers

[ionic dirge]

Not really

[ionic dirge]

Ice helps stop melee generals and hard hitting tanks: ripps and giants

And shadows

[livid owl]

yea, glacial is hella useful against giants

but consider that giants are not really used nowadays

hard hitting melee units are hard to find

few things I see getting used is atreyos, spearos, ripprider

[stark garden]

lmaowhy

fire arrow better

[stark garden]

civil we both played more then you

and there is no reason to use glacisl

fire even better in qny case

unless spam

i can gqckline target with fire

also slowfowning tank dps meaningless

fire givr more dps

and i can fkn kill backline'

Judt hit dirferent ubits

[stark garden]

Also qi rarely target geberal

and %30 slowdown not enough for stop general

[stark garden]

wow who need stop giants

While you can stop enemy get giant

so brainful leting enemy get giant

[stark garden]

Lemme tell why i hate archidon spam

it dont need akill

and the other side need play skillful'

[sterile ruin]

Ye loo

The 👎 ar archi spam

[ionic dirge]

5 MORE DAMAGE A SECOND....

WOW

SO MUCH

Fire is better in ealry game

[ionic dirge]

But I know the stuff better. You know how to play, I know how to balance

All you pros want swordrush

Ice is better in 75% of situations.

Since juggs have higher dps than archers

And spears have more numbers

So you are keeping your frontline alive for longer

[stark garden]

how to balance?
ü

bro

you dont

[ionic dirge]

Do not talk

[stark garden]

your %70 balance ıdeas actualy suck

[ionic dirge]

You have no clue

[stark garden]

bro you have %1 of my experience

you dont actualy know

what ıs wrong

[ionic dirge]

But I can back them up

[stark garden]

you dont know what can be weapın

[ionic dirge]

The problem is tower. Not archer spam

[stark garden]

haha no

ther eis a archıdon spam

dont need tower

but ye

tower another headache

[ionic dirge]

Stupid

You say you are a pro

[stark garden]

@livid owl @stark garden can you talk wıth you that guy

ı want paly

[ionic dirge]

Every else thinks that tower is overpowered

[stark garden]

ı told you

ıts another heache

ıts not reaosn why archıdon spam op

[ionic dirge]

They think tower is problem. Not archer spam

[stark garden]

read

[stark garden]

ask to necro

about slowdown arrow

[ionic dirge]

It is strong. But you are saying it is weak

You said so yourself

[stark garden]

ım not sayıng ıt weak

ım sayıng

arch spam dont need ıt

you understundıng me wrong

archer spam dont fkn need tower

a guy reached 2300 wıthout usıng tower and abusıng archers

[ionic dirge]

Then they are easy to beat

[stark garden]

wanna 1v1?

[ionic dirge]

Before tower buffs

[stark garden]

no,

he reached whıle tower op

ım not gona abuse tower based arch spam

[ionic dirge]

Phone is shit. Dont have access to computer right now

Maybe tonmorw

[stark garden]

you actualy dont have ıdea what fıre arrow can

[ionic dirge]

I will dm

[stark garden]

and slowdown suck wıthotu arch spam

[stark garden]

ı can end game before ı get jugg

[ionic dirge]

Keeps your tanks alice longer

[stark garden]

better early game mean better late game

[stark garden]

how

use rage

then shot 2 tımes

then run

and shot 1 tıme

then rage wıll abck

do ıt untıl base

send mıners as tankl

then see how fuckıng enemy army dead

[ionic dirge]

Enemy has bubble

Then what?

[stark garden]

yes lets brıng buble so ı can lose to another thıng

we have fuckıng 8 slot bıtch

ı cant brıng every card

[stark garden]

then end game early

you have staff yo

[desert jetty]

This chat has gravitated to a completely different series of arguments

None of which pertain to the actual topic

But this is a decent nerf

Although maybe

I was thinking

The can only reload while standing still

Makes kiting much harder

[covert tinsel]

That nerfs archers too much

Since they don't have diagonal shooting like in sw2

[stark garden]

just delete frozzen arrow'

useless hit without spam

fire better in any case

[stark garden]

İt just a deadly nerf

which make normal archidon players suck

[stark garden]

i dont see why its needed
archer spam is not op

there's like one serious archer spam deck, with glacial staff and the rest spells. and it gets rps'd easily

[past schooner]

this entire conversation is like watching 7 kids in a nerf war , complaining that they didn't get hit by the nerf darts.

[south cypress]

Just nerf a bit the hitbox or the speed when they got left/right

[past schooner]

I feel like someone will be triggered by this

[gloomy lava]

[stark garden]

Give archer 1000 hp

And increase fire rate to se rates

[south cypress]

And give massive hitbox

[stark garden]

yes

Good idea

Make ai aim like swl

[past schooner]

Give archidon your mother

[stark garden]

If you make archers not have aimbot then it would mess up archer spam alot but not so much that it's bad

It would make archer spam counterable if you get it late game

[livid owl]

best suggestion ever I seen

[stark garden]

[versed bronze]

Yes this is better no need to remove it there is still going to be more cards and decks in the future.

Honestly archidon spam ain't a big deal right now

[hollow sierra]

archer spam isnt a huge deal in upper ranks

[versed bronze]

Yes

[versed bronze]

Agreed

[stark garden]

I got into diamond for a game and my archer spam got obliterated

[versed bronze]

It's just an irritating deck to deal with because of the skill required one side and the lack of skill required on the other

[hollow sierra]

yea iritaing as its annoying

bc u have to put so much efort to fight a low skill deck

[livid owl]

one exception

miner rushing archerspam

only working archerspam currently

[hollow sierra]

this sounds like a disaster

but in theory this would work

[stark garden]

necro can you say me which better on spearcher fire or glacial

[hollow sierra]

glacial 🥶

is kinda good as you can re apply while if u hit with multiple fire i doesnt stack

but the again the only reason re apply is good for glacial is bc its duration is short

[stark garden]

fire actualy stack

but only time

[hollow sierra]

yea

[stark garden]

But max 3 tick on fire

[hollow sierra]

oh wait it does

holy crap

[stark garden]

glacial not staxk anyway

[hollow sierra]

fire = W and also = 🔥 but 🔥 =/=W

[stark garden]

idk
but i like fire more

[stark garden]

which better for archer spam

Glacial

[stark garden]

wwhat do you think about archer spam without glscisl

not good

[stark garden]

thx for helping me for explaim

also so4ry for milking you

[ionic dirge]

@stark garden https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1138001463428268084

I made this just for you

Enjoy it

[livid owl]

what's the point of slowing down speartons

you gotta damage tanks more in order to kill enemy backline

[sterile ruin]

nerf all the ranged

just not the toxic dead

its slow asf

[ionic dirge]

Even elsciopors?

[sterile ruin]

Yes

Cuz i forgor

Oh ye the toxic thing they have

[hollow sierra]

eclipsors are already sitiational as is DX

[south cypress]

They are actually being good now

But yeah, this shouldn't apply for eclipsor

[neat jungle]

It is a simple idea yet very effective.
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[turbid ledge]

I personally disagree with nerfing the general speed of archidons, thats BS, what should be nerfed is their ability to kite, not their general walking speed