New Mythic Enchantment

[surreal root]

We already have Vampiric Soul which steals 8% of your attack, from your opponents to heal you. BUT Stick War: Legacy also had another enchantment which should be brought to SW3.

When you have the Lava skins in SWL, you also get the "damage reflect", which is similar but somewhat opposite of Vampiric Soul, where when your opponent attacks you, it also gets damaged themselves, meaning archers spam would take damage when killing a heavy.

Vampiric Soul is for Units with a strong attack, but this new "damage reflect" Mythic Enchantment would for units with a high health so like when a Spam of Arches is attacking a Giant or any of the heavys, they'll be taking damage as well by giving damage and it'll help the heavy units from Archer Spam.

Also, it's already in previous SW games. So this isn't new to the SW stories, but simply new to SW3.

As for the cool name for it, well, I'm not great at names, so I'm sure someone will come up with something better, but I was thinking, "Stop Hitting Yourself" ... yeah, probably stupid, but I just thought it would fit because when your opponent attacks you, they're also hurting themselves.

[arctic oasis]

Yes

This would be awesome

[ashen lynx]

[fallen sparrow]

this would be cool

if any one says no they are wrong

[arctic oasis]

Exactly

[warm monolith]

meh

[uncut epoch]

20 archers attacking a spearton

The 5 damage evrytime their arrow hits:

I think for the name

Karma

[lilac shoal]

Man found the cure against archispam

[uncut epoch]

Yes and no at the same time

If they have meric atleast

Or a healing spell

[chrome thistle]

Hmm, could work.

[elder pelican]

Didn't expect this to work on ranged units

That would make them worthless

It wouldn't counter archidon spam, it would delete anything that's not melee

[chrome thistle]

Yes. Even some stuff that are melee (like deads, and crawlers when they come out)

[mild jolt]

Rip archis with CW

[minor spade]

the closest sw3 got is voltaic armor

[uncut epoch]

I was abt to ask civil what CW is 💀

[azure kite]

Oh no, dead spam 💀

[elder pelican]

clan wars obviously

[surreal root]

Yes but they'd still have to use an additional card for that. Also, if they have the healing card, they would just counter each other

[surreal root]

Glad you liked the idea so much

[surreal root]

Hey @summer perch sorry to bother you, but I still want this enhancement and just wanted to make sure the SW staff (I'm assuming you are one) saw it, at least consider the idea, even if y'all end up saying "no", at least want y'all to see the idea if it hasn't been perviously considered.

[mild jolt]

Bruh

There is no way in hell

You just pinged brock for you idea

You know we are only supposed to ping devs for something serious.

Just because your post got 13 doesn't mean it is the best idea.

[ashen lynx]

the archers in their way to die because they spammed at minions

[surreal root]

Lol, take the stick out of your behind, and un-bunch your panties 😂 No need to get all up tight and cry baby, throwing child insults just because you didn't like something... he's a man, if he wants to handle it, he can handle it just fine without you crying a river over it.

[surreal root]

They need to fix/change the minions issue, but that's for another subject. (Short version, Minions either should be able to operate outside on Wizards, OR enhancements (such as ROR and Salvager's Smithy) should effect them in the exact same way they effect every other unit, as it's BS it's they're both, should be one or the other, not both)

Assuming they keep Minions currently the same (they shouldn't, but should they) then you are absolutely right that's an issue. And I would suggest that Minions and summon Speartons and Deads from the towers be exceptions for this suggested enhancement.

But great catch on a potential issue!

[mild jolt]

? Where is the isult?

[mild jolt]

And you really think the devs give a shit about you? Like you came into the discord in may and proving to me that you in fact are the child. And I didn't say I didn't like something.

The only other thing I said was "Rip CW archis"

[surreal root]

Damn why is everyone trying to put false words in my mouth, focus on yourselves.

You attempting to put false words or ideas in my mouth is an insult...

As I never made a claim it's the best idea nor have I ever imply dev give a shit about anyone.

So how about you mind your own business instead of trying to create lies and drama.

[mild jolt]

Where

[mild jolt]

Is

[mild jolt]

The

[mild jolt]

Insult

[mild jolt]

I can't see it

Act more like your age. No one pings dev

[surreal root]

Lol, and you say I act like a child 😂 As you cry and bitching

Mind your own business, if he wants to talk with me he can, if you don't like something you can get lost.

[mild jolt]

I am trying to help you dumbass #rules message

[surreal root]

Thanks 👍 In the future, please help without the negativity. I tried something, I didn't realize it was against any rules, and I did not realize you'd be such a butthurt bitch about it.

[mild jolt]

Yeah, I am not very good at helping and being positive at the same time...

I will try to get to the point quicker next time.

[surreal root]

Thanks 👍, and thanks for informing me that we're not supposed to ping them... I haven't used discord much and haven't seen the rules actually listed until your link there.

I just tried something, didn't think it would be a big deal.

Honestly, when I first posted this, I assumed people would say they had already considered it and already rejected it, which when no one did, is partly why I pinged dev, thinking they would say they already considered and rejected it.

I just wanted to make sure this idea (which no, isn't the best or greatest) at one point is considered, because it was a great part of SW2 and why isn't it in SW3?

[surreal root]

What's a non-respective channel?

[mild jolt]

I have no clue.

[proud pebble]

very cool

[minor spade]

HOW TF WHY

[ashen lynx]

[final mural]

A way to counter archer spam love it

[surreal root]

🧱 🏠 mighty-mighty, just lettin' it all hang out

[surreal root]

I'm very glad that some love it!

[steady mesa]

Enhancement? You mean enchantment??

[surreal root]

Yes lol, sorry lol

[steady mesa]

it's whatever, maybe it should've been called Enhancements

[surreal root]

New Mythic Enchantment

[minor spade]

if its adding new effects, i don’t think enhancement is the word

[steady mesa]

yeah

[uncut epoch]

Army of speartons:

Vs

Army of archidons

[minor spade]

spear wins

[uncut epoch]

Both with this enchantment

[surreal root]

[surreal peak]

No. Thats making it pay to win. And sw3 description states "no pay for power"

[rapid comet]

Yes

[onyx crane]

how is a new mythic pay to win bro?

anyhow not sure if this is a great idea considering having it on speartons would kinda make archers completely useless

[bold night]

Isn't this just voltaic armour?

Ik is not the same but I think it kinda does his work

And by how much percentage of reflected damage are we talking about? Because this is op

[silk wasp]

Amazing

[silk wasp]

I like it alot big brain guy

[bold night]

Not to bother but that's how my 350 idea got deleted by some random pinging devs

[surreal root]

Good to know, I made a mistake, but so far, they haven't seemed to care.

[silk wasp]

I like the idea

Nice job

Bros typing a whole summary

[surreal root]

No this is no like Voltaic Armor, which is based on attacking speed, this is based on users health.

As for what percentage of reflect damage, someone with a better knowledge of balance of the game would have to answer that.

Vampiric Soul does 8% of attack...

I thought maybe both would be 8% to basically cancel each other out.

But I think that might destroy the balance. So maybe half of that at 4%?

It would need to be beta tested to get a good answer (or someone with better balance knowledge than me).

But for a unit like the Rip Riders with large health and low attack it wouldn't do much damage against, just the units a much higher attack than health

[onyx crane]

thing is if its half of vamp then it would be nullified by it

and if its the same as vamp it cancels out but then if ur opponent doesn't have vamp but lets say flaming arrows and spams archidons

its kinda too strong

seems like a balancing nightmare

[surreal peak]

If the skin has abilities and cost gems it's p2w. But if it was to be an actual mythic card then Its to OP Almost everyone would be using it

[surreal root]

Just stop while you're behind, no one else is talking about p2w, gems or skins...

[hot sun]

Lol

[onyx crane]

??????

[surreal root]

Not necessarily, because units already have Vampiric skins and we somehow find ways to kill and beat them, this would simply allow us to do it faster.

[onyx crane]

nah but if i deal 10 damage heal for 2 and take 1 cuz u have ur spikey armor mythic

then ur mythic is useles

s

if i heal for 2 and take damage for 2 its like neither of us have mythics

and now lets say im using fire arrows and i deal 15 damage or whatever and take 3 or 4

now you win for free

[hot sun]

Buff voltaic armor

[light sentinel]

Brilliant idea bro

I suggest the name to be "Reflective armor"

Idk how it will perform though

Probably it should only work on heavy units

[surreal root]

If you wrongly assume those are the only factors, then you are correct. But that's making the wrong assumptions that all things are equal.

It would most likely be united with heavy heath vs acrhidons and the Archidons heavier attack than than their health

[light sentinel]

Just like voltaic armor

[surreal root]

I really don't like only working on certain units ... I mean, it's not going to help the units with lighter health that much anyways, it's going to really help the Giants and Rip Riders and high health units so I think it can be for all

[light sentinel]

Let's say it reflects 10% of dmg taken when the attacking unit is in melee range of the reflective unit

It doesn't make sense for them to reflect dmg from arrows on a long distance

It is a good concept but I don't think it will be practical

Yo Brock is following this channel

[bold night]

4%? I would prefer using voltaic armour, that deals 1+ damage that may be higher than some weak damage dealers, also it lasts long and is a mythical, can be also combined with lighting spells

[light sentinel]

Yeah I feel it won't be practical when you can use voltaic armor or vamp for example

[surreal root]

The current enchantments don't all make sense ... magic doesn't make sense, this game is not meant to be reality.

So trying to judge ideas on that level is nuts.

[light sentinel]

I said that because voltaic armor doesn't charge archers

Like it used to before

[surreal root]

It depends on the unit. For units with higher attack, it would be smarter to use something to help the attack, for units with stronger defense, it makes sense to help the defense

[surreal root]

Yeah but Voltaic Spark does... and it's +2

[light sentinel]

That is different story

[surreal root]

You can see who is following channels?

[light sentinel]

And I think you can counter the reflect dmg easily with vamp

But yeah it may be somewhat useful with tanky units

[bold night]

Depends, that is the problem too

[surreal root]

Different units, one helps attack units vs defense units

[bold night]

I like the idea, but there's no way of balancing this

[surreal root]

This with help the heavy health units like the Rip riders that we don't see used enough, and harder to get out because they're more costly.

And make Giants more useful (those got to make sure they don't become too powerful)

[light sentinel]

Rips are being used actually

[surreal root]

People always complain about the balance

[light sentinel]

We will witness another rip meta

[surreal root]

I haven't seen them much lately

[proud pebble]

yeah actually rips are trash

750 gold, 8 population, trash damage

Their only thing is their health and speed

[surreal root]

That's where this enchantment would make them more interesting... but probably really it'd make the Giants more popular and maybe the Giants/Wizard combo unstoppable.

Of course, they could simply get the Minion under control and stop letting them roam so far away from the Wizard and that would be fixed.

[proud pebble]

yes, honestly im not sure why they chose the minion summmoning magikill

I feel the one from SE was better

[ashen lynx]

this idea just bad

lemme explain

if enemy a turtler

and get a gisnt

how tf i beat enemy

i need arxhidons

Melee units cant right because castle archer and magikills

[minor spade]

✨healing✨

[bold night]

So you need healing, huh

[wispy wren]

You have no space for healing on high ranked match

the only healing I see is hhw

[mild jolt]

High rated players use vamp if they keep getting matched up with people using poison. Otherwise, most decks work fine.

[wispy wren]

that's special condition. yeah that happens but that's pretty special case

since you are predicting what enemy will use

[ashen lynx]

Sw3 Pay to win won't happen

[surreal root]

Good, now stop bringing up irrelevant subjects

[ashen lynx]

Not good

[surreal root]

This is CLEARLY not pay for play, so shut up about pay for play already...

[minor spade]

anyone from team give a good reason to say

[surreal root]

facepalm so you're just trolling, got it

[surreal root]

I think there are some good explanations above, such as it would throw off the current balance of different units and make certain ones like the Giants possibly too strong with all their upgrades or you would need to rebalance everything.

I absolutely love the idea, but I do think it's fair to say it's a little bit too late now.

But I do think it would be nice for under used higher health units especially the ones with a lower attack level.

[ashen lynx]

No

[minor spade]

how does this work again?

maybe theres a way to get around the problem

[surreal root]

Basically the defensive version of the Vamp Soul

Yeah I think you could SLIGHTLY weaken some of the units if this helps too much.

[minor spade]

no i mean like a description with stats of exactly how this enchantment work

[hot sun]

Lava + lightning armor

[surreal root]

When you have this enchantment, and your opponent unit attacks, a certain (undetermined) percentage of their attack will also damage them.

So hypothetically if it was a Juggernaut with the attack of 17, and the percentage was 6%, then each time they attacked, they would do 17 damage to your unit, and 1 damage to themselves in the process.

[minor spade]

was this stats(6% reflect) been said before?

if not id say the effects are ridiculously minimal to do significant effects

[hot sun]

Guys guys guys

Spiritons

[surreal root]

I literally said undetermined percentage, I just created the 6% for the example

[minor spade]

voltaic armor already does this in 1 hit, and thats still with the effect of enhancing electric spells

king zarek with 50 dps will take less than 5 on his 750 hp

which makes me question, why would you bring this card for this effect?

[surreal root]

This is not Voltaic armor... that's an attack, this is defensive, very different.

This is per hit, not per second.

Compare it much closer with Vampire Soul, not Voltaic armor.

So the King with his 50 (if you assume the 6% which has not been determined) would be getting 3 points per hit. Plus being attacked.

[minor spade]

this response serves zero purpose, i know how it works because i know how to read what you stated, but im asking why would you use this card instead of other cards? what is the significant degree of change will this card bring you in the battlefield, voltaic armor enhances electric effects, vampiric soul cures poison, this thing only does reflective damage. I made a calculation according to the sample you give that isn’t final (6% reflect) and showed you the low dmg and asked why bring this card? it nothing else other than insignifant damage, which proves the point of when i said “the effects are ridiculously minimal to do significant effects”, which would prove this thing useless to solve any spam issue. now im here to find a reason to use this card while not making it op which is possibly the reason why others said

[surreal root]

You ask how it works and then whine when someone explains how it works...

Your answer has already been written if you just read through the comments

[minor spade]

so tell me, what is the signifance of bringing this card instead of other existing cards

[surreal root]

This card would do damage to the ranged units even if you aren't in contact with the ranged units.

So there is a battle at the tower and the heavy units are battling, then you have archidons staying back and shooting, this would do damage to the archidons for every arrow they hit and lowering their health along the way.

Also, when units like a Giant faces off against a ton of deads, the Giant is only allowed to hit x amount of the dead, while all the dead can take bites out of the Giant.

So the deads would get more damage this way as the Giant can only hit x amount of them, even when they're all in range, same with a Giant and other units.

[minor spade]

yes, but like i stated the dmg is to insignificant to do effects, as far as i know with 6% reflect the dmg will always be at 1 digit against all units who have 2-3 digits of hp, 1 damage per hit which is every 2 seconds on a 70hp archidon doesn’t seem to be much for me. im basing it on the not final number you gave(6% reflect) because its the only precise number you gave, and im running this entire issue on the number you gave only

[surreal root]

If you don't like it, then don't use it, it's that simple

[minor spade]

vampiric soul for example does 8% lifesteal, but players only bring it purely as a counter to poison and the lifesteal heal as a secondary minor effect, even with its old 15% lifesteal atleast more than half of the reason players will bring it is because of the cure. now your enchantment does nothing else other than the reflect damage, and im here to show you this problem , because if its like this barely anyone would use this

[minor spade]

yes, so im here to attempt to make you as the maker to give a reason on why use this card, because i noticed the effects is too insignicant to attract users

[surreal root]

No one cares why you are here... cards can and have been adjusted as needed, it's an idea, they can adjust the idea as needed.

[minor spade]

👍
just attempted to clear out the reason of saying or to this card, i guess its a failed attempt.

[surreal root]

If the percentage is too high or too low they can adjust it, which is exactly why there is no direct percentage listed, to find whatever number best works for their purposes

So I'm not going to waste my time with that nonsense of trying to figure out the perfect balance, as that's for them to set their perimeters of what they want their game to be, and to my limited knowledge, they have not included us in that. I know lots get into it, for their own pleasure, but that's different.

If it's simply too weak to use, then make it a higher percentage, it's that simple.

If they don't ever consider making it into a Card, then it's absolutely pointless in debating what the proper percentage should be.

If they're interested, they just make.it a card, let us beta test it, and then see if the percentage needs to go higher or lower.

No reason to do the end part first if they're not even strongly considering making it a card

[elder pelican]

After a bit of thought, I take my back
The damage reflect would have to be like 50% to have any effect on archidons
The only thing I'm honestly seeing nos as a problem would be that it would actually be kinda useless
Like yay, an additional 1 damage every now and then
however it would probably nullify magikills due to their aoe attacks = even less hp for when someone eventually uc's them

I dunno, it's a whatever idea

[minor spade]

[surreal root]

Does anyone know what it was in SW2?

Probably start it at whatever percentage that was.

As for the damage, it would happen a lot more often than the Voltaic Armor that everyone keeps comparing it to.

[surreal root]

I think my issue is that you're asking for answers from me for some reason, when I think it's clear that you have better answers to your own question than I do for what percentage it should be.

I don't have a clue, what percentage was it in the last game? Maybe start it there, as it was effective there.

[ashen lynx]

your idea good but broken

because magicgiant

[surreal root]

I agree that currently MagGiant would be a major issue, and they would need to limit the Mag or at least the minions from moving so far away from the Mag for this

[minor spade]

yeah i know, i mean my issue is just to the number you gave and to clarify the strength of this card, because you see there are those complaining about this being broken or such while according to an example you gave this will be underpowerd AF, so i tried to find the balance of how this will be useful but not broken on some decks. especially to clear the issues of those that said

[mild jolt]

Gotta find my old magikill post....

[minor spade]

why

[mild jolt]

Cuz I want to

[warm monolith]

Lol

[mild jolt]

Found it, https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1099517762902175794, I forgot I deleted the original message....

[minor spade]

oh right its been locked

why is it locked?

[warm monolith]

Because it wanted it to be dead?

[minor spade]

who?

[ashen lynx]

im juat thinking adding max amount for speaxial units

like max 5 magikill ane 3 giant

[minor spade]

[warm monolith]

Crazy

[minor spade]

jay

[fallow aurora]

so literally the lava skin's effect from legacy

[minor spade]

ye

[mild jolt]

I locked it.

[vapid galleon]

Cool idea a name would be like : fire reflection , hellound shield or infernal shield

[elder pelican]

fire reflection and hellound shield sound extremely overly edgy but infernal shield is neat

[onyx crane]

fire reflection is edgy?

hellhound/bound shield is edgy tho ye

[surreal root]

Yup, it says ideas, not creative ideas... the idea is just bringing something cool from the old game to the current one.

[chrome thistle]

Like talking about sw3 in sw legacy channel

[celest furnace]

It sounds cool but this would quickly become the meta, basically forces everyone to play a cartain way knowing that you suffer from attacking

[wispy wren]

There are some reasons why this shouldn't be a thing

this is way so fucking op against low hp units

this is way so fucking useless against tanks

meaning the game would rely on rng more

and the way to counter archerspam? more like obliterating archerspam. archerspam would completely be useless after this one comes out

being unable to stack archer means it is unable to counter magigiant

if magigiant uses this enchantment would be literal terror

and no one would be able to balance this enchantment completely; this is either too op or too useless

[wispy wren]

by the way, I recommend the name of the enchantment "vanishing vengeance"

[warm monolith]

Crazy

[wind zinc]

[rotund merlin]

Name suggestions:
Scorching skin
Heat reflection
Fiery armor
Blazing hide

[minor spade]

hmm, all related to fire

[rotund merlin]

Yep

[minor spade]

is this fire?

[rotund merlin]

Well it is dmg reflect

Which in swl is attributed to the lava

/borderland flamefeeders

[bold night]

And that would be good