Bleeding (Essentially Poison) And Stun? That do be overpowered tbh
#Hellhounds
quartz hemlock
signal dove
Bleeding is different from posion
quartz hemlock
Bleeding is different from posion
Yeah I can see , can only be healed in Garrison.
signal dove
When I say that I mean you can still heal the unit on field
With meric and etc
But the unit will still lose HP
quartz hemlock
When I say that I mean you can still heal the unit on field
*Units Affected By Bleed Will Only Be Cured By Garrison "
signal dove
Until it's garrisoned
quartz hemlock
But the unit will still lose HP
ok fuck no , I Disapprove.
signal dove
Ofc you'd say that
quartz hemlock
Ofc you'd say that
What do you think
Unit Seems Balance And Cool
Bleeding And Stun
Also Does The Stun Stacks.
If There Are Multiple Of Hounds.
signal dove
Like multiple?
signal dove
No
signal dove
It's kind of like this
Take a swordwrath
And one hound
It's get knocked down right
quartz hemlock
It's get knocked down right
*stun
signal dove
Same thing unit still falls
quartz hemlock
Same thing unit still falls
ok go on
cold jewel
50 gold?
signal dove
It wouldn't affect a unit that's already been knocked down
cold jewel
this is a better dead
quartz hemlock
50 gold?
wait really
Lemme check the stats
what the fuck this is direct upgrade from desd
Dead
signal dove
In what order
cold jewel
any
cold jewel
hp
signal dove
60
cold jewel
cost
signal dove
50 gold
cold jewel
pfft
quartz hemlock
60 HP.
50 Gold.
quartz hemlock
@cold jewel I just checked the zombie stats , it's the exact same.
signal dove
To what
cold jewel
idk, id like to wait for the crawlers so i have something to compare to
quartz hemlock
idk, id like to wait for the crawlers so i have something to compare to
yeah
signal dove
Interesting
quartz hemlock
Tbh I only complain about the bleeding
signal dove
50 Crystal.
Noted
quartz hemlock
why can't I use Healing Ward or merics
signal dove
It's called bleed for a reason
cold jewel
atleast you can outheal the dmg
signal dove
Yea
cold jewel
It's called bleed for a reason
heal isn’t limited to poison cure
quartz hemlock
atleast you can outheal the dmg
Actually, how much damage does the Bleed cost.
cold jewel
its called HEAL for a reason
quartz hemlock
@signal dove
quartz hemlock
Actually, how much damage does the Bleed cost.
Answer
cold jewel
your like a goldfish
signal dove
Oh right bleed damage would be 2
cold jewel
forgetting everyting every 5 seconds
signal dove
I was checking my other discord
quartz hemlock
I was checking my other discord
All Of The Channels? was amomgus
cold jewel
well atleast read the new messages
signal dove
All Of The Channels? was amomgus
I got a ping in another server something about a event
cold jewel
hellhound’s pounce should also require the hellhound to stay with the target
signal dove
Yea
quartz hemlock
hellhound’s pounce should also require the hellhound to stay with the target
true
signal dove
I should probably fix that
cold jewel
about bleed, i had a mechanic like this before
signal dove
Really?
quartz hemlock
I am still complaining about the Bleed 
cold jewel
how about bleed is 1 but it can stack, each heal reduces the stack by 1
signal dove
I am still complaining about the Bleed <:LEZGOOOOO:1066789083499728896>
It would be something new aside from just poison
quartz hemlock
It would be something new aside from just poison
Why I can heal poison , but I can cure Bleed 
signal dove
Cure posion*
signal dove
how about bleed is 1 but it can stack, each heal reduces the stack by 1
Idk
Sounds cool though
signal dove
Healing Ward
True
quartz hemlock
True
That's the fucking point. Why I must go all the way to Garrison to heal fucking Bleed When I Have a Fucking Meric Standing By
Bleed Is Better Poison
cold jewel
burn and electric spark can’t be cured though
cold jewel
Bleed Is Better Poison
why
quartz hemlock
burn and electric spark can’t be cured though
fuck your rigjt
cold jewel
poison often comes in higher dmg than bleed
quartz hemlock
poison often comes in higher dmg than bleed
Difference is that Bleed Lasts Forever , But Being Able To Out Heal.
signal dove
Isnt it like 3 for poison damage
quartz hemlock
Isnt it like 3 for poison damage
idk maybe
cold jewel
Difference is that Bleed Lasts Forever , But Being Able To Out Heal.
oh what
poison does the same
signal dove
Yea but you can get rid of it with healing and life steal
quartz hemlock
poison does the same
I'm pretty sure poison doesn't last forever
It probably lasts long but not that long
cold jewel
it does
signal dove
I'm pretty sure poison doesn't last forever
It does for non self healing units
cold jewel
you can kill a spearton with one instance of poison
quartz hemlock
you can kill a spearton with one instance of poison
huh
cold jewel
its chaos that can auto cure poison
signal dove
Order can't
cold jewel
and so is elementals
cold jewel
not every order brings merics
quartz hemlock
so that's essentially one way to counter poison.
signal dove
I mean talikng about the non healing units
quartz hemlock
not every order brings merics
Just assuming.
cold jewel
there is many ways to adjust the bleed
quartz hemlock
I mean talikng about the non healing units
I mean yeah , juggerknight can still be poison without toxic totality if I'm sure.
signal dove
Besides bleed would only be a threat for low health units
quartz hemlock
there is many ways to adjust the bleed
true
cold jewel
bleed cooldown 45 seconds?
signal dove
Yea
quartz hemlock
bleed cooldown 45 seconds?
quartz hemlock
then whats the problem with bleed
I complain the fact it can only be cured/heal via a garrison
cold jewel
I complain the fact it can only be cured/heal via a garrison
45 seconds per hellhound
quartz hemlock
But that Depends on other people.
signal dove
45 seconds so people can't do it very often
cold jewel
the only threat it would bring is if your magikill is bleeding and you have no healing
signal dove
Exaclty
quartz hemlock
Also btw @signal dove does stun stacks for hounds?
cold jewel
you already asked, i think he said not
quartz hemlock
you already asked, i think he said not
No I asked for if bleeds stacked
signal dove
You asked if stun stacks already
signal dove
Lol
quartz hemlock
I have dementia
signal dove
....
cold jewel
Well Done!
quartz hemlock
Well Crisped.
signal dove
The 60 HP keeps it easy to kill
cold jewel
Rest in Pieces!
signal dove
And not to overpowering
cold jewel
The 60 HP keeps it easy to kill
50 cost makes it easy to spam
ok so whats training time?
signal dove
I'm changing it
cold jewel
to what
signal dove
100 gold 50 crystal like @quartz hemlock said
signal dove
I'm fixing that
quartz hemlock
I'm fixing that
To what?
signal dove
Maybe like 12 seconds
cold jewel
too short
signal dove
Or 14
signal dove
35
quartz hemlock
make it 45 second
30 Seconds?
signal dove
For a light unit?
cold jewel
no just kidding 15
signal dove
Lol
signal dove
True
quartz hemlock
id like it to be heavy
chonky dog
cold jewel
i propose heavy, 15s training, 200 gold cost, and maybe an extra 25 crystal
cold jewel
undead dogs are rarer than undead humans
cold jewel
I'd have to give it more hp
sure
signal dove
True
cold jewel
100
signal dove
But then Rune of reanimation gives it's 20% extra
cold jewel
oh its aftected
quartz hemlock
But then Rune of reanimation gives it's 20% extra
True
cold jewel
why, toxic DEADS are not affected
how come this thing with no dead in its name be affected
ANSWER ME!
cold jewel
toxic deads are deads and are considered as deads like deads
signal dove
It's the "Dead" tag it the units bio
cold jewel
since they are also less affected by poison
and can’t be reanimated to deads
yes but toxic deads are unnaffected by ror
i think ror only affects deads
signal dove
Ror affects them health wise
cold jewel
and not sure about summoned nd spirit deads
cold jewel
Ror affects them health wise
don’t think so
cold jewel
really
cold jewel
you think they would compete with crawlers?
signal dove
With bleed they'd probably outdo crawlers in terms of effects
cold jewel
then thats bad for crawlers
signal dove
Think about it
Bleed+poison+ life steal
Or something
That's a huge threat
And if ror is used that's even more dangerous
cold jewel
thats why im trying to differentiate it, because that would make crawlers overshadowed by hellhound
and currently chaos has no “medium” melee fighter
so i suggested it to be heavy
signal dove
I don't think medium ever existed
cold jewel
thats what im trying to do with hellhounds, so you know more different if you agree
cold jewel
jugg’s charge kinda makes it fast
cold jewel
if it has lower health i think its fair
its not so fast is it? or it can be on par with bombers and crawlers
cold jewel
so
i present to you a problem which is yeah if this has stats near deads and crawlers then chaos will have kind too much of that light cannon fodders and hellhounds and crawlers will compete, which i think isn’t a good thing, changing it to heavier side however solves that but it has no other points other than that, so you decide
pastel meteor
That’s COOOL
cold jewel
That’s COOOL
yeah, i have no idea why no one has ever thought of dead hounds for chaos before
signal dove
i present to you a problem which is yeah if this has stats near deads and crawle...
I see what you're saying about changing it's class but then you also have to take into account that it has to be balanced so spammers cant over run you with it
cold jewel
✨Cost and training time✨
pastel meteor
Guys how do you edit a post?
signal dove
True
cold jewel
although idk, this idea could already work, it could be up to the devs to balance it or make it fit the game
cold jewel
Guys how do you edit a post?
long press then edit
pastel meteor
Thx man
signal dove
I mean heavy units are meant to take hits hellhounds are more like hit and run like crawlers but slightly better
That's what I intended them for
cold jewel
I mean heavy units are meant to take hits hellhounds are more like hit and run l...
that is the thing, it will outclass the crawlers, and despite the many units in sw3 no one directly outclass the other
signal dove
I didn't want to completely outclass it
cold jewel
outclassing a unit is bad especially in a strategy game
cold jewel
I didn't want to completely outclass it
then what thing a crawler is good that the hellhound can not?
signal dove
It's just to give the crawlers a little more support
signal dove
I'm talking damage wise
cold jewel
pack mentality is about increasing damage
signal dove
Hm
cold jewel
if you have played stick empires before you would know
signal dove
I have
cold jewel
so now what
signal dove
Idk
signal dove
so now what
I was just going for a light unit thats unique
signal dove
What's going on
Not much
cold jewel
which is we are having a hard time to make it work
signal dove
I mean I guess I could rework it
cold jewel
how
signal dove
cold jewel
great
signal dove
Haven't thought of it yet
cold jewel
same
cold jewel
cost and time is easy
cold jewel
the ability is fine as well
just the stats
the artwork is nice too
actually how large are they?
signal dove
About the size of a wolf
cold jewel
About the size of a wolf
then that can fit as a heavy, hehehe
cold jewel
Maybe the size of a crawler?
did you delete your hulk idea?
pastel meteor
did you delete your hulk idea?
Yeah, I am gonna repost it later
cold jewel
oh good
pastel meteor
But I am being “rate limited”?
cold jewel
what?
pastel meteor
What is rate limited?
cold jewel
i dont know
pastel meteor
Ok
signal dove
then that can fit as a heavy, hehehe
Oh boy XD
still folio
cold jewel
signal dove
Still needs work?
signal dove
Dps
signal dove
Np
dull lark
So, my only suggestion is lower the population, the first one was too low, and this ones too high, so I'd suggest maybe lowering it down to 2
But other than that, I don't see anything else wrong
signal dove
Trying to keep it from being spammed
signal dove
At least if it takes up 4 pop you got choose what to do in terms of units
dull lark
Although spamming-
dull lark
At least if it takes up 4 pop you got choose what to do in terms of units
Yeah, true
Just one thing
dull lark
In the description, it says "a fast and light melee unit", but in the stats, it's a heavy unit
signal dove
Oh shit
dull lark
Yeah
signal dove
Forgot to fix that
dull lark
Lol it's okay
signal dove
One sec
dull lark
Alright
Btw, I really do like the idea
Especially the "bleed effect"
I actually had that idea before
But I never ended up using it
I was gonna use it for Xophex
But mine could be healed completely by merics, but yours is better, merics being able to heal bleeding units, but not getting rid of the effect
I like it
signal dove
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