Nerf Archidons

[sinful valley]

just use 4 merics to make the entire spam completely useless

Archidonspam isn't that OP tbh, maybe only in 2v2

[soft moth]

I hope they listen to you, ¡nerf that shit!

[sick quartz]

hey cool thing called merics and barriers

what drug are you on

[sinful valley]

or just rushing

[sick quartz]

yes

[narrow pike]

I'm on all of them

[lapis bronze]

Like... Why do people complain about archidon spam? Sure ranged units tend to have advantage in rts but they are strongest against low health units, like if your having problems make a better build, or get a counter strat. I never have problems with archidon spam. Have you ever considered speartons? They are designed to consume archidons.

[trail mason]

I destoryed archdion spam with using eclipsors and projectile barrier.

[trail mason]

skill issue

[drifting zenith]

ppl still complaining about archidons

bro probably thinks rippriders should not be nerfed

[azure edge]

but not all decks use merics

[lapis bronze]

Like archidon spam is fairly weak if you have an actual counter to them.

[maiden tundra]

Of course they do. They're fucking annoying to deal with

Also they're the most spammable among ranged units

But by far. And they're really easy to retreat them into safety.
Those 2 things makes them far better than the rest of their kind

I dont get it why you still defend Archidons...

In 2v2 you see nothing but these fucking guys tbh

Maybe ik the answer but im not gonna bother.

The only nerf that's urgent for Archidons are their Deploy time and maybe gold cost

Just to avoid Archidon spamming meta in the future

[drifting zenith]

Because Archidons are ACTUALLY fucking easy to deal with

All the people that complain about it are actually shitters

The people that never complain about it also have never used it most of the time

[drifting zenith]

The fact that u cant comprehend why ppl still defend archidons makes me think that ur a bad player tbh

Archidons arent even meta anymore

[maiden tundra]

Cuz they got replaced by melee meta

[drifting zenith]

Nor are they actually good as spammable

Idk why u complain about them so much

The only excuse u have is

[maiden tundra]

But when Juggs and Ripps are gone. They will be back

[drifting zenith]

"They get out too fast"

They're squishy and delicate as hell lmaooo

Whats your elo though

[maiden tundra]

When you stack Kytchu + Tower bonus it is true

[maiden tundra]

1,8k now

[drifting zenith]

Tower and Kytchu does not stack??

They dont stack lol

[maiden tundra]

But even with 25%

[drifting zenith]

Even with 25% still easy as fuck to deal with

[maiden tundra]

And they become truly spammable

[drifting zenith]

u forget the fact that archidon spammers always rely on u being passive

[maiden tundra]

With only 10 seconds of deploy

[drifting zenith]

They're REALLY easy to deal with throughout the game

Idk how u struggle with them

Even if u are 1.8k

[maiden tundra]

Not when they get tanks alongside them

[drifting zenith]

I have gotten to 1.7k with only miners and swords and have beaten a shit ton of arch spammers back then

[maiden tundra]

I do not anymore

[drifting zenith]

Then why the fk are u complaining so much about them?

When u have improved to beat them

U are letting shitters do what they want

[maiden tundra]

But i see the problems with Archidons. But those are irrelevant now cuz they got replaced

By a even worse meta

[drifting zenith]

Archidons were never a problem

Until reload bug

Now they have the slowest reload

[maiden tundra]

2v2 hello?

[drifting zenith]

Out of all their history now

2v2 still ez as fuck to deal with

I can literally 1v2 archidon spammers without merics and still win

Because I have done it already with an alt

[maiden tundra]

Unless you go off-meta or you have a literal dead teammate

[drifting zenith]

My deck was off meta lol

And my teammate was an alt I purposely didnt want to play with me

[maiden tundra]

With alts is irrelevant since it doesnt change anything

[drifting zenith]

Bro....its a 1v2

If ur teammate is the problem then blame ur teammate not the game

[maiden tundra]

Ik but you said you did it with an alt account

[drifting zenith]

bro if i can 1v2 arch spammers with off meta and beat them under 5 minutes

With 2v2 statue nonetheless

Then anyone can do it

But noooo they complain because they are shit at the game

[maiden tundra]

Not really cuz you didn't tell the way

Its like go figure for the most part

[drifting zenith]

just...be...aggressive

[maiden tundra]

Aka use rush decks?

[drifting zenith]

Archidon Spammers are so fucking ez to deal with

U dont even need to use rush decks

Just fuck them up

And their ecos

They cant replenish archidons fast

[maiden tundra]

With their eco harassed

[drifting zenith]

I already did alot of shit during that 1v2

[maiden tundra]

I do the same vs Ripps tho

[drifting zenith]

They even did a 4 arch start

though my early arch took all 4 of them carefully

Thats more of a skill based one but I had CA

[maiden tundra]

Ah yea cuz you used Archers then now i see why of the 1v2

[drifting zenith]

bcs alt had to go back

Bro I barely used arch at all lol

[maiden tundra]

Without them...what you're gonna do?

[drifting zenith]

I only have like 3 archidons throughout the game

[astral citrus]

i fucking hate counters, i shouldn't HAVE to use something because someone used soemthing else.

[drifting zenith]

Because I mainly spammed speartons and merics

Thats the 1st game

2nd game was the no merics one

Spearcher only

Though I had wisp to deal with them

The thing is u need to utilize EVERYTHING

In your deck

You have to also be flexible with ur playstyles

And know wtf to do against those playstyles

I was literally a former archidon spammer once

Though I was 1.5k back then

So I know how the fuck to deal with them

[maiden tundra]

And theres guides about it?

Cuz most ppl here definetly needs some

[drifting zenith]

u tell me theres ever competitive guides for the game?

I would make it but I already uninstalled

Though I would still take over top 1 ez

[maiden tundra]

Huh. I dont think so

[drifting zenith]

After leaderboard reset

[maiden tundra]

And also it if was the case...it will get any better?

The game already reached bottom with this Ripp meta

[drifting zenith]

Oh boy then u can reach a new bottom with the shitters

[maiden tundra]

And broken metas are not a new thing here and you Know it

[drifting zenith]

They will nerf everything that they dont like if it counters their decks or fucks them up

[maiden tundra]

When appears a unit even more broken than Buffed ripps. Well you're right

[drifting zenith]

those are shitters

Like the OP of this one post

Hes a shitter

[maiden tundra]

But i dont think that will happen again at least for a while

[drifting zenith]

Dont Jinx

Piketreyos came out of nowhere

When ripps were released they were fun to play with but not really ruining the game

Then the cursed buff came

[maiden tundra]

I mean release-Ripps were quite problematic but ppl rarely used them

[drifting zenith]

They weren't???

[maiden tundra]

I didn't trusted the fact about a really fast and high hp unit is around

[drifting zenith]

They were squishy light hp units

And they werent really spammable with the fact that they had 150 mana

They were easy to deal with for most of the part

Not problematic

[maiden tundra]

Yea they had the hp but the fact that they were really expensive it holded them back

Until u know. Their buff arrived and Troy burned into the ground

[maiden tundra]

As far as i remember they had more or less the same hp but being Light units affected how much dmg they recieve overall

[drifting zenith]

No

They were 250 hp

Not 650 hp

Ffs

250 hp and light

[maiden tundra]

Ah

Forgor

I remembered wrong then

[drifting zenith]

Devs probably intended for ripps to be the sickle version of heavy

But damn they really fucking suck at changing things

[maiden tundra]

If they only asked to us...

[maiden tundra]

I remembered them having more hp honestly but it seems my bad then

[vague minnow]

what a chad

[maiden tundra]

And they're not fast about doing emergency patches either

And that's even worse on Open beta

Which updates take a longer time to come by

[maiden tundra]

Wait a sec.

When it was on Open beta. They had 500 HP not 250 and they were Light before the cursed buff

Nice try there masq

[drifting zenith]

Huh some ppl said it was 250

But if they were 500 hp

Then they were still VERY squishy

Just because they were light

[maiden tundra]

Yea quite true

As i said before. They had the hp but being light unit changed how much dmg they take overall

And i mean that when that unit deals with units like Archidons, Eclipsors or even Sickles

And Shadows will shred them even faster than they do now

[dense salmon]

Why are you being so mean to me?

[elfin vine]

Ignoring mean people on the internet is an easy skill to learn in order to avoid useless and annoying problems 🙂 .

I agree with you, archidons spam is very annoying. Everyone doesn't have a deck which can respond to that. It's not a skill issue, anyone could spam archidons but it make the game less fun.
What's the point of a game which encourage to create your own deck if you have to modify it in order to respond to a spam so easy to do which allow a lot of people to win easily ?

It just feel like in order to win, you have to have the archidon on your deck. Or several things to respond to archidon spam :/ .

[dense salmon]

W-What are you?

You're so...

so... nice...

you're not b*tching about how you can counter it and how I'm dumb.

You're not just agreeing with other people because yes...

[elfin vine]

Well, I spent most of my life learning about philosophy so I tend to be rather peacefull. I mean as much as my abilities allow me to do so. I don't want to look full of myself.

[loud sand]

Archers should not be the main priority right now. I've heard that Rippriders should be nerfed first.

And from what I've seen, I'm inclined to agree.

[elfin vine]

Also, I used to be a moderator in several art groups so I had more than my fair share of toxicity so I guess I'm a bit used to it but I don't want to tempt the devil as we say in french.
I think I might get a bit too far from the subject, perhaps it might disturb the other people here, I'd stop now if it does.

[loud sand]

If a nerf is needed after ripps are nerfed, then they could be nerfed.

[elfin vine]

Thanks for the info ^^.

[elfin vine]

Well, I hope archidons would be nerfed. But if the devs considered that it's not necessary, they are professionals game developpers after all, who am I to criticize a profession I know nothing about ?

[sinful valley]

i feel like archidons are fine now

but tbh idk i havent faced archidon spam for quite a long time

[lethal bluff]

... and the same thing happened to acid rain, to an even more suffocating degree.

[elfin vine]

I used acid rain in the past but I stopped to take the juggerknight instead.
The cooldown in acid rain is 60 second and to spawn an archidon, it take 13 sec.
How could an acid rain spam could be more... "spammy" (?) than archidon spam ?

[sinful valley]

well, it can poison all archidons and force them back if they don't have cure source

[lethal bluff]

If you have to fight archerspam, there might be difficulty, but there's a number of things you can do.
If your deck can't deal with poison you can literally lose just because someone decides to use acid rain whenever you push to mid/near their base. Pure spearcher with no healing for example can get cheesed like this, for the low low cost of 1 deck slot and pressing a button whenever you see something.

Honestly acid rain can both invalidate strats without a poison counter and make poison really hard to buff due to how any buff to poison improving acid rain disproportionately more compared to other poison cards. Idk why it has to be in the game.

[drifting zenith]

Its a skill issue ffs

[sinful valley]

it could also be a deck issue

[soft moth]

hope you get lucky bro😔

[bold socket]

Potatus is AFK: sleeping because i have to - an hour ago

[maiden tundra]

But mostly a deck issue. If you know how 2 deal with them

[bold socket]

Potatus is AFK: sleeping because i have to - an hour ago

[maiden tundra]

Yea Acid Rain is only useful if you are using mostly Chaos units

Otherwise it can and it Will backfire you

Seeing Order users with Archidons and using Acid Rain. I find it quite hilarious

Like.
You don't feel stupid?
You don't feel...silly?

[maiden tundra]

Yea you're right. But the time this melee meta is gone. Archidons will be back in the meta.

||mark my words||

[maiden tundra]

Not entirely. If that makes you mad. That's really up to you bro

And at this stage. Acid Rain needs a total rework

It barely kills anything its just there for ez pressure. And mostly it does nothing cuz Heal Ward is a popular spell.

[loud sand]

What rework?

[maiden tundra]

To Acid Rain

[loud sand]

Yes, im ask what specifically rework

like how rework

[maiden tundra]

What i thought its similar to Lightning Storm on the movement and acts like a reverse Heal Ward esentially

Like it deals chip damage + poison

[loud sand]

like is not poison anymore, but is instead do aoe dmg?

[maiden tundra]

The poison will still be there

It doesnt stack itself ofc

Like dealing 6 dmg each second

[loud sand]

That is big buff and will acid rain even more annoying, because now you can only poison opponent army and your is not affected

[maiden tundra]

I will still want to be able to backfire you just like this one

Which you can nullify that with TT

[maiden tundra]

Not really since it will not cover 50% of the map anymore

[loud sand]

I mean you can place it on opponent army and out of range your army and attack when duration is done. Now all opponent units is poison and no your units is poison

[maiden tundra]

If you place it carefully. Yea

[loud sand]

Then that is make acid rain stronger

[maiden tundra]

Or at least useful in some way

Cuz now it gives only pressure and anything counters it

[loud sand]

Im think best is just make longer cooldown, unless some complicated more thinked about poison rework

[maiden tundra]

Yea even if Heal Ward will outheal that new Acid Rain

[maiden tundra]

I mean i tried in my post to make Poison actually useful and viable

By limiting how many times healing spells cure

[loud sand]

what post

[maiden tundra]

#1057097306597490788

There

I stated my idea of what should be balanced and you'll get it why...(except of the Magikill one that one i admit its is not good like at all)

It doesnt convince me

[stone brook]

m8 the way you balance archers is trash ngl

[dense salmon]

I've heard that a million times now.

[stone brook]

If it was a more balanced nerf then this wouldn't happen

[stone brook]

Then you shouldn't be making balances then like wtf is this

god I hope your trolling on that one lol

[dense salmon]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

F*CK IT LOOKS WRONg

OMG I MESSED IT UP

I MESSED IT ALL UP

THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[sick quartz]

This is why I called you a clown.

[dense salmon]

🤡

[sick quartz]

[maiden tundra]

I agree on Archidon nerf for the most part (the deploy time nerf is needed) but i disagree on Dead nerf tho

[dense salmon]

Honks nose

[pallid flame]

Meta Eclipsor belike: yes yes yes

[maiden tundra]

It will be crazy if Eclipsor meta comes back

[lapis bronze]

@maiden tundra like bro why are you acting like they are gods? Having methods to counter difrent things is just strategy. Also why would any one go half way into the game with out taking a peak at the enemy territory? Just user controll a unit after you rushed to take middle to have the early game advantage to check what army they are building currently and adjust your game play accordingly. Archidons of all things require the time to build up, even with build speed bonus. it's simply a matter of having options when fighting and not limiting your self to one strategy to hopefully counter a specific build. It's about building up economy, taking middle and checking what your enemy is packing early game. Just follow that and dunk on most enemy's. I personally have a deck that consists of sickle wrath for early game units, speartons, and archidons in case they have eclipsors which can easily be swapped for tesla. And the rest is mainly centered around making speartons more powerfull and building an army of speartons with supplements of sickle because it's just a poor idea to not have as many troops as possible when fighting most enemys. Also another rule of thumb for me is if they have a marrow Kai statue, the marrowkai profile picture, or a dead statue, always rush and check if they are using zombies, if so break their knee caps early game and move on.

[drifting zenith]

Its because hes a shitter himself

Even though he uses staff

The fact that the ppl think everyone hates archispam

Bcs some other shitters think alike

Makes me think that these people could be 1v2'd with a bad deck and u can still win

[timid sorrel]

just use archers cause apparently theyre broken

[stone brook]

Looks like the post got deleted

Lol

[soft moth]

and the one who says it is

[drifting zenith]

What u think im a shitter when im literally standing at top 1 lol

[timid sorrel]

idk man that doesnt say jacket to me

masq sucks weiner

[drifting zenith]

no.

oh fuck im lagging

[timid sorrel]

common L

go back to l4d

[elfin vine]

In order to deal with poison, you may retreat inside the fort, anyone can do that regardless of the deck. When it comes to archer spam, generally, only archers pam or spearton spam work. Or sword/scycle with the shield.
Actually you may counter poison without needing to choose something you don't want in your deck in the first place. Curing poison inside the fort is quite quick and archer aren't slow units.

I respect your opinion but I can't agree because if you look only at the numbers and you apply logic, it's simply easier to spam something which can be summon every 13 seconds rather than something which can be summoned every 60 seconds.
And then, there's the use. You cast acid rain only once every 60 seconds then it disappear.
But archers, archers, they don't die after few seconds of utilisation. A lot of player use them for hit and run tactic.
From a mathematical point of view, you can spam something which spam every 13 seconds and can be used as long as you keep them alive more effectively than a thing that can be cast every 60 sec and remain for a few seconds only.

Beside, I think collecting crystal is less convinient than collecting gold but it's just my opinion.
Of course, it's not because that we disagree that we must disrespect each other ^^.
I admit that your explanation that acid rain prevent poison to get buffed is quite a nice food for thoughs 🙂 .

[sinful valley]

yeah exactly, your units will go to the fort leaving the mid tower alone which means your enemy can easily take the tower and if he has tower spawns he can easily delay you until he gets acid rain again (this is why Acid Pain can be OP against decks that don't bring cure)

also archerspam has more counters and the biggest counter to it is pretty much UC(with good units obviously)

[timid sorrel]

and bubbles

and swarm

and staff

[sinful valley]

like for example Xiphos, he can leap on 3 archidons and then slap them with his sword

[elfin vine]

The thing is acid rain would backfire on you if you don't use deads and deads are way slower than archidons. Most acid rain users use deads because of that.
The speed of the archidons can make it difficult for the slow dead to regain some real ground.

[timid sorrel]

spearos basically denies archidons if u can go to back

its all a matter of micro

[sinful valley]

it can't backfire when your units are at your base

🙃

[elfin vine]

Not a dead swarm because they're too slow.

[timid sorrel]

no

[sinful valley]

sickle swarm with some protection

[timid sorrel]

it rly depends on how u play it

[sinful valley]

yeah

[timid sorrel]

u should consider merics and bubble

if theyre that big of a deal

[elfin vine]

So if the unit are at the fort, they are far from the battleground, so the advantage to use AR in this condition is really low.

[timid sorrel]

AR doesnt cover bases

so the entire area of mines would be safe

[elfin vine]

Two different "cards" to counter only one "card", it doesn't seem balanced to me.

[timid sorrel]

if enemy is held at mid, u can easily scare them off if they dont have any passive regen

[sinful valley]

they obviously have an entire deck to support them

they use staff and a lot of spells

so it's 2 cards countering 7 cards

[sinful valley]

(i don't count miners)

[timid sorrel]

this game is pretty micro reliant

u just have to know what ur doing

hell i spent months in practice/proving grounds and im still ass at AvA

[elfin vine]

AvA ?

1 vs 1 ?

[sinful valley]

Archidon vs Archidon, yes

[elfin vine]

Well, I did ditch AR for juggerknight hoping it would help me to counter archidons but they seem much more expensive and they take time to spawn. I don't know if using juggerknight as a counter could be effective against archidons ?

[sinful valley]

i don't practice much and i managed to beat a CW Archidon without any enchants

[sinful valley]

they are pretty good tbh

well better than Speartons

they can use charge that'll stun them and if u have ranged units or strong melee units it can delete them

[timid sorrel]

lol my timing is just shit i cant seem to improve it

[elfin vine]

It seems to me that it's difficult to spawn them during the start of the game without ressources buff due to their cost though, what do you think ? 😮

[sinful valley]

i learned it just by looking at other CW players (like masq, necro)

[timid sorrel]

theyre a strong tank but u have to be smart ab using them. they can tend to charge out of position

[timid sorrel]

too bad im a slow hands on type of guy

[sinful valley]

you want to go for an early Jugg?

[timid sorrel]

early jugg bad vs arch

u usually want to get a tank after u get one or 2 archers

[sinful valley]

they can easily kite you with UC 💀

[timid sorrel]

so u can back it up w consistent damage

[sinful valley]

like Juggs can't even hit retreating Magikills

[timid sorrel]

but tbh early meric better

[sinful valley]

(unless charge)

[timid sorrel]

gets stunned mid charge

[elfin vine]

Not really. The deck I enjoy playing is the toxic necromancer type. Having deads, toxic deads, strenght in numbers, poisonning enemies and making them turn into zombies. A slow moving force.
That's what I truly enjoy playing.
That's why archidons counter me easily :/ .

[sinful valley]

early shadowrath could stomp archidon spam early

[timid sorrel]

ah ur a deads enjoyer

ur asking the right tatus

[elfin vine]

XD

[sinful valley]

yeah, you bring units that get countered by archidons

[elfin vine]

Well yes.

[timid sorrel]

i dont use it very much myself

potatus has been experimenting quite a lot

projectile barrier is good on deads decks

[elfin vine]

In each game I have a chance to play a necromancer who summon dead and pestilence, I go for it x) .

[timid sorrel]

merics r ok but thatll make ur entire team slow

[sinful valley]

i stopped using Deads+T Deads only, i added eclipsors after i got clapped by shadows

[timid sorrel]

smacked by ur own favorite

[elfin vine]

That's my deck.

[timid sorrel]

toxic totality is very bad

its not worth it

[sinful valley]

yeah

[timid sorrel]

i recommend replacing it with projectile barrier or snow squall

[sinful valley]

also you don't need vamp

it's just bad

[timid sorrel]

ye vamp useless on deads

less than 10 damage = irrelevant healing

[sinful valley]

Juggs attack pretty slow now so it aint good for them too

[elfin vine]

I'm aware of that. But they are usefull when you start your zombie swarm when few archidons come. Zombies are vulnerable to archidons and since they have a ranged attack, it's a counter against a small amount of archidons.

[elfin vine]

Thanks.

[timid sorrel]

ur sacrificing a slot for a gimmick

increasing ur poison damage does not make it better

[sinful valley]

how does Toxic Tottality help there?

[timid sorrel]

if ur melee is just gonna get picked off by arch, theres no point in them getting toxic

theyre just their for disrraction

and meat shielding

tdeads r the only poison inflicter u needd

[elfin vine]

Well, I hesitate about that too. The thing is I kinda like the lifesteal ability so I wanted it for my deck. Truth is I don't play to win, I just want to create a deck I find enjoyable to play with.

[timid sorrel]

and thats still entirely possible

[sinful valley]

you'll have more fun when you kick those abusers

[timid sorrel]

its not like deads r op or super unmeta

theyre pretty balanced imo

u just have to find a good synergy

[sinful valley]

trust me i started to use terrible decks and it's just way more fun to see them loose against it

[elfin vine]

To make the zombies turn people into zombies.

[timid sorrel]

vamp and tt on a deads deck is not a good synergy

[sinful valley]

you already have toxic deads for that

[timid sorrel]

tdeads alr inflict poison

ur deads r only for fodder

deads themselves also have enough damage if u got a swarm

u just have to inflict the poison which is fairly simple w tdeads bc theyre a ranged unit

[elfin vine]

I see. But when the deads manage to get in melee range, they shred the targets and the tdeads don't always have the time to poison them for them to turn into deads :/ .

[timid sorrel]

and thats fine, not every unit has to be reanimated

its just about harassment and punishing any overcommitments

[sinful valley]

that means you already have big army to defeat the enemy then

[elfin vine]

I suppose I should try this way of playing instead of absolutely wanting to create a deck based on my tastes alone.

[timid sorrel]

look man i use a chaos deck with vamp (giants dont even heal that much) its up to u

[elfin vine]

Well, it's fun when you end up with 74/60 units in your army, trust me XD .

[timid sorrel]

but u cant complain if u go against something that counters u when u didnt bring a counter for that

[elfin vine]

I tried to beat my records of gaining more units than I should so many time XD.

[sinful valley]

here's an example (my army got split in 2 hordes because of ripp distract)

69 pop

[elfin vine]

Nice 😮

How many miners do you use please ? For gold and crystal ? And you summon how much Tdeads ? 😮

[sinful valley]

i just use 12 for every game with any deck

[timid sorrel]

me personally 9-11

[sinful valley]

the more the better

[timid sorrel]

3 mana 6 gold

leave one ore

10 is if u r really mana heavy and just go 4 crystal

but thats my preference

(sometimes i make too many and they commit unalive)

[sinful valley]

i think the 38k gold in the screenshot can prove it

[elfin vine]

Ok thanks for the tips 🙂 .
I suppose you avoid using the bubble alone because the archidons might flee and wait that it disappear to attack ?

[timid sorrel]

yeah if u got vault it hardly matters

if u got vault u can fast farm with miners

[sinful valley]

archidons are a counter to that deck so i swapped barrier for eclipsors

[timid sorrel]

but if u dont, becareful how u spend and manage ur eco

[sinful valley]

to counter archidons and shadowraths

[elfin vine]

When I used ecliptor, they were too fast for the zombies and they were killed by archidons without the zombies to serve as a meat shield :/ .

[sinful valley]

hold command exists

[elfin vine]

For only one unit at the time, no ?

[timid sorrel]

all units of the same type

[elfin vine]

I'm a bit confused now, when I hold a unit, it only held this particular unit. Perhaps it's a setting I didn't put correctly ?
You see the yellow command to the up right for the minors, I don't have that.
The game differs on android and IOS ? Or it's a setting to do ?

[sinful valley]

go to settings and enable it

also the hold command should normally work on all units

[elfin vine]

Ok I'll try that thanks 🙂 .

[soft moth]

have to prove it a liar

[drifting zenith]

dont need to

[stone brook]

Literally I'm an alibi

I can say the guy whom your replying to is actually the top 1 guy

Not some random fan that named himself masquerade because yes

[timid sorrel]

nah thats a fake

nerf archidons fake masq

trust me

[narrow pike]

Bruh 400 messages?

[timid sorrel]

we clowning on every arch nerf post

[narrow pike]

I mean, whoever wants to nerf archidons has severe skill issue

[dense salmon]

...

[timid sorrel]

based

[dense salmon]

...

[sick quartz]

very based

[dense salmon]

Of course you would.

[sick quartz]

Yes.

[narrow pike]

It's true

What can I say

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense salmon]

I made you a Meme.

[narrow pike]

Yea

[dense salmon]

And it was all for nothing..

[sick quartz]

Don't worry they're overreacting.

[narrow pike]

I'll make you a meme

👍

Perfect solution

[dense salmon]

Do you stop?

You check everything I post just so you can insult me.

[sick quartz]

No.

[dense salmon]

Is this some obsession?

[narrow pike]

Ooo that's against the rules

[sick quartz]

No.

It's a coincidence.

[narrow pike]

Stop when people tell you to stop

[sick quartz]

They asked if I stop, not for me to stop.

[dense salmon]

Please stop.

Leave me alone.

[narrow pike]

Well now you gotta stop

[sick quartz]

Okie

[maiden tundra]

...it was not the same before Juggs even appeared tho

[bold socket]

!V2 is AFK: school - 5 hours ago

[stone brook]

that's the past

[maiden tundra]

But its becoming closer now the fact that they come back with the recent Ripp nerf

[stone brook]

you're definitely overreacting

you're just not gonna see it

[sick quartz]

what

[soft moth]

what the hell are you saying?

[maiden tundra]

I said it will be becoming closer. Not it is imminent.

[zinc loom]

They are good

[maiden tundra]

We can see it.......

[terse yew]

Give archidon a unit limit

Unit limit of 10

[sick quartz]

lmao wtf

no

[maiden tundra]

Sounds good but unit restrictions are not the way

[finite vale]

1 archidon=50 units

[wheat spear]

Nerf zombie spam 2v2

[soft moth]

we are not on that topic right now wey

[elfin vine]

Agreed.

[loud sand]

...WHAT!?!

[maiden tundra]

Well the thing that concerned me about Archers is the fact that outclassed the other ranged units for so long (either the rest were bad like Tdeads or it really standed out leaving the others behind like Eclipsors)

Now its more tight with the Eclipsor buffs

And Tdeads are 1 buff away from getting actually decent (movement speed buff is all what they need)

[drifting zenith]

Shitters and their shitty balancing...

[maiden tundra]

Did i said anything bad now?

[drifting zenith]

applies to the shitters

[maiden tundra]

Not myself? Alright then

[stone brook]

I thought we stopped 💀

oh

god I thought were gonna have this shit again

[maiden tundra]

It never stops tho. It never does. As long as the game still remains broken

[stone brook]

More like you guys are continuing to shit on one of the most balanced unit in the game

[maiden tundra]

Maybe....but at least i don't go only after them

After the Ripp meta dies away. We have to see how it goes with the thing about Archers & Eclipsors

Since Eclipsors got buffed twice if i remember correctly

[drifting zenith]

I firmly believe that ripps should be entirely fucked out of the mta

meta

Riprider delenda est

[maiden tundra]

Indeed

[stone brook]

M8 if archers are gonna be used alot it doesnt mean that they're meta its simply because the other options are weak and you know everyone in ranked does that

[maiden tundra]

Yup

[maiden tundra]

But now we don't really know since now Eclipsors aren't that weak like they used to be

What i mean is after Ripp meta dies. Maybe Archers will finally have some competition

[acoustic ether]

Archidon is already weak why do u need to nerf them?

[maiden tundra]

Well i stopped with that stance quite a time ago

[drifting zenith]

Finally

time to focus back to l4d

[maiden tundra]

Unless their userate and winrate goes nuts (i dont think that will happen in the first place)

Since u know after Ripps this will go more towards a Rusher meta

[acoustic ether]

I'm a archidon spammer but I keep losing to sickle spammer

And that's mean archidon is not that strong

[maiden tundra]

Maybe you can get a chance. Unless they run Shield + Rage

Not by themselves tho

[acoustic ether]

Well they use sheild and rage

And their unit is very cheap

[maiden tundra]

On my case i only use Rage

[acoustic ether]

So they can attack your army at early game

[maiden tundra]

But i don't really need to run Shield cuz i use Shadows

Unless i get a match vs Turtlers

Then i will regret not having shield

[acoustic ether]

That's could counter archidon

[maiden tundra]

And Bombers but that's a softer counter

Since its kinda hard to make the bombs go through

[acoustic ether]

Bomber is a easy target for archidon

But unless you have shield

Yes

Wait

Why tf I reveal my weakness

[maiden tundra]

Yea with Rage Bombers really becomes a menace

The only bad thing is you require 3 bombers

[acoustic ether]

True

[maiden tundra]

To kill an Archer

[acoustic ether]

I fight bomber spammer

And jesus

They turn all of my archidon into a deads

[maiden tundra]

You rarely see Bomber spammers honestly

That's more to hard-counter Rushers

[acoustic ether]

That's rare

[acoustic ether]

Ripps spammer is more harder

[maiden tundra]

And how i do counter Ripps? I bring a Rusher deck with Shadowraths

These guys can do insane dmg to Ripps

And pair them with Juggs

So they don't die as easily

[acoustic ether]

Don't forgot thunder

[maiden tundra]

Thunderstorm barely does anything to Ripps tho

[acoustic ether]

They could easily weaken ripps and deal big dmg

[maiden tundra]

Yea but its not reliable

27 max dmg each 1,5 seconds its too low when dealing with Ripps

[acoustic ether]

Yea

They have more hp then juggs or spearton (I guess)

[maiden tundra]

More HP than Both (100 more than Juggs and 150 more than Speartons)

And they're very fast AND Immune to Stuns

And those mfs move while attacking

So Ranged units get fucked

[acoustic ether]

I beat ripps spammer

[maiden tundra]

Yea but what i mean is Ranged units lose time aiming at them

[acoustic ether]

Yea

[maiden tundra]

No matter which one we were talking about

[acoustic ether]

I just don't understand why they don't nerf ripps

They make ripps a little too op

[maiden tundra]

They do but

Its just minor nerfs

[royal cedar]

Archidon spam isn't an issue.

[acoustic ether]

I hope

[acoustic ether]

Yes

U need time to be a archidon spammer

[maiden tundra]

You came late tho we are not discussing that m8

[royal cedar]

I really just use Voltaic Armor and Lightning and it solves all my problems

[acoustic ether]

It's not that easy to be a archidon spammer

[royal cedar]

I don't read the top messages

[maiden tundra]

Too bad then

[royal cedar]

What?

[maiden tundra]

You should get some context before

Or at least ask for it

[royal cedar]

I mean, this is literally the POV of an Archidon after the opponent calls in a Riprider and they're still at the Center Tower

[royal cedar]

I think differently

[maiden tundra]

Im not shitting at you....just dropping general advice

[acoustic ether]

True

[maiden tundra]

That applies to anyone who's not a Ripp user and still didn't figured out one of the few hard-counters they have

[royal cedar]

What are Riprider counters-

Oh wait

[maiden tundra]

I dont blame them.

Even with said counters Ripps are too fucking broken

[royal cedar]

Nevermind I got dunked on by Giants

[maiden tundra]

Shadowrath's one of them

[royal cedar]

Whenever I use Shadowraths my opponent has Eclipsors in their deck.

I just gave up at that point.

[maiden tundra]

Sadly you need to equip them with Vamp and Rage to make them a reliable counter

[maiden tundra]

Go for Shield

And after those mf Ripps dies. Go and Rush that Statue

[royal cedar]

I'll show you my OG Shadowrath deck. It used to be fearsome before Ripriders came along.

[maiden tundra]

Make that mf suffer

[stone brook]

Ripps should not have 600 hp wtf

they thiccc asf

[soft moth]

Bruh what is this

the comments

[maiden tundra]

It really shouldn't and the fact that they have Stun Immunity makes it even more outrageous

[soft moth]

☠️

[maiden tundra]

Hmm

[royal cedar]

The only thing I feared with this deck were turtles

[maiden tundra]

Only Shadows so no early game

[royal cedar]

???

[soft moth]

Yo también uso shadowarts

[maiden tundra]

Use a unit like Sickles or Bombers

And harass them at the very start

[royal cedar]

Puta madre

(I don't know what language you are speaking)

[soft moth]

sorry I forgot the translator xd

[maiden tundra]

Its Spanish....bruh

[royal cedar]

XD

[royal cedar]

All good bro xddd

👍

[soft moth]

Ok

[royal cedar]

I usually rush my opponent

[soft moth]

👍

[royal cedar]

I get an early Shadowrath then I bolt at their base while spamming spells

By harming their economy I'm getting an early lead.

If the Shadowrath dies, I'm pretty much fucked because it's my win condition.

[maiden tundra]

I usually stack deads with Hustle and Rage

And i end attacking the base with 4-5 Sickles and 4 Deads in the very first minutes

And at the time they get Ripps. I already have some Juggs and at least 1 shadow

[royal cedar]

If I fought my OG deck with my current one, I think it'd be very easy

Shadowraths are hard countered by Voltaic

...And Lightning

Or Tesla Coil

[maiden tundra]

You lost my respect showing me that

[royal cedar]

How so

[soft moth]

This is my Shadowraths deck, the idea is to attack early with the sickles and then use the Shadowraths

[royal cedar]

Ripriders are kind of a win condition now

[royal cedar]

You can't really play the game without them

[maiden tundra]

By the sole reason of using Ripps

[maiden tundra]

Yes you can

And i'll show you

[royal cedar]

If Ripriders get a nerf, e.g. stunnable or something else, I'm definitely switching back to Shadowrath.

[maiden tundra]

This is what i use vs Ripps

[royal cedar]

I might give your deck a try.

I pretty much have the same deck as well but Sicklewraths are Xiphos.

[maiden tundra]

I end up winning the mayority of times

[royal cedar]

What of the other times?

[maiden tundra]

Got Eclipsor spammed into oblivion

[royal cedar]

That's what I fear 😦

[maiden tundra]

This is the other variant (Courtesy of Necro)

[royal cedar]

Hmm

Bombers can damage Eclipsors ig

But

Why Salvager Smithy

[royal cedar]

How do you use this deck by the way

I wanna try it and see if I can use Shadowrath again

[maiden tundra]

2 Sickles and 2 miners and send one Miner to Crystal at the very start

Slap Hustle the second you get 1st Crystal Drop

Then use Rage and send 2-3 Sickles to tower and then wait for the other Rage and use it

And then use Hustle and start attacking

[royal cedar]

Thanks bro

[stiff needle]

probably because archidons being basic units are very straight forward, they are both easy to defeat if you can counter these BASIC units and at the same time they are also very destructive in all phases of the match, if you would like to nerf archidons then probably make them have less default damage but higher against light damage, that way it is still reliable against light units but heavy units will counter them, because i agree even giants and speartons die in less than 5 seconds against an archidon spam and at the same time having the archidons are very risky with their low durability.

[royal cedar]

My deck easily shuts down any spam.

Unless they somehow manage to escape the Lightning

But my enemies don't usually expect it since I don't reveal the spell until mid or late game

[acoustic ether]

Do u remember when I beat ur deck?

And u say it could shut down any spam?

[royal cedar]

This is a different deck.

It's no longer a turtle.

I found turtling to be boring.

But lucky for me, after sacrificing my ELO for 10 matches straight, I found a deck perfect for me.

It beats the No. 1 Top Deck which most players seem to use

And it's well rounded.

[lone sapphire]

@royal cedar it's a good deck but weak vs turtle

[royal cedar]

I can easily smite Magikill turtle.

But if it's Giants...

I don't think I can.

[lone sapphire]

I played against it 1 or 2 days ago w magi turt

Was easy tbh

[royal cedar]

Can you try my deck?

I want to see how effective it is in other ranks.

[lone sapphire]

But mine does't really have spam

Uses juggs in the beginning

It's a good deck but I'd go double tower upgrade instesd of miner rate upgrade

It's a garuantee u can take tower anyway

[royal cedar]

Double Tower sounds pretty daring.

[lone sapphire]

I mean the miner upgrade isnt doing much for ya

[royal cedar]

I use the Miner Upgrade to keep myself in the game since my economy is usually gigantic.

[lone sapphire]

U got vault

And u dont need that much mana

[loud sand]

miner upgrade is proably worst card in the game

[royal cedar]

.

Sh**

Hmm

I guess I could try double tower

I'm kinda worried about early game ngl

[lone sapphire]

Want a tip?

[royal cedar]

Yes please

[lone sapphire]

Ill record something for you

A strong opening play

Gimme 2 mins

[royal cedar]

:0

[lone sapphire]

Ughhh

[lone sapphire]

Ill send screen caps

[royal cedar]

Screen caps?

[lone sapphire]

Hope that helps. You lose 1 miner due to having no gold for a bit but u get you riprider at 1 min into the game

I garrisoned that 1 miner to prevent an early archer snipe or sickle zombie rage rush

Just garrison if they rush at 50 secs and got more then a few troops. But u can defend any rushes until 45 secs orso into game w that CA. Make sure u use order minders tho. Need alot of archer shots&sickles to kill them

[royal cedar]

Hmm

This is an interesting opening

It's like the current one I'm using except I have my second starting miner on crystal all the time

[lone sapphire]

I used riprush in the past. I tested every other opening. This is the best

[royal cedar]

Alright lemme just memorize this

Did you have any trouble with tower spawns?

[lone sapphire]

W my magikill deck?

[royal cedar]

No with the modified version of my deck that you're using

Did it cost much?

I tend to run out of mana a lot.

[lone sapphire]

Was gold not any problem for um

?*

[royal cedar]

Gold was never a problem xd

[lone sapphire]

Otherwise what u could do is just switch some miners to mana

[lone sapphire]

As soon as the rip comes out set 1 extra miner to mana. Will add up soon

[lone sapphire]

In the long run ofc not w vault. Bur perhaps early game

Just wanna constantly be setting up ur miners right if you see ue getting low on either gold or mana

[royal cedar]

Thank you man

Do you want to spectate my next game?

Wait a second

This is literally the exact opening I use

[lone sapphire]

Ur getting a riprider in at 1:00?

[royal cedar]

Yeah

I usually seize Center Tower after that

Then I start building eco

I don't prioritize army much early game

If my opponent has an Eclipsor I generally UC charge and harass his eco

[lone sapphire]

I always liked to play late game w a deck like that

[royal cedar]

My deck?

[lone sapphire]

Get zombie tower up if they have a melee deck. Get a eclipsor if they got archers

Snipe their arvhers w eclipsor

[royal cedar]

More like zap their archers

[lone sapphire]

W double tower upgrsde

[lone sapphire]

Not against a single archer

Zap em if they got like 3 archers

[royal cedar]

If my opponent only has melee units they're automatically dead. Even more so because of Voltaic.

[lone sapphire]

Otherwise snipe w eclip

[royal cedar]

If they got Archidons, they're dead as well because of lightning which can force a retreat. Even if it doesn't kill the Archidons, it does positive damage for me, thus softening them up.

[lone sapphire]

Yeah but dont underestimate how easy u can kill a group of sickles w just voltaic. Lightning spell isn't needed in alot of cases

Just run them in circles

No need to use lightning on like 6-7 sickles. Rather save that 150 mana

[royal cedar]

I don't usually reveal my wild card until mid-game or late-game. Once I fought a Magikill turtle and when he came out, I UCed a Riprider and Lightning'ed all over the place

[lone sapphire]

Good

I never come out w magik turt lol

i know it's too risky

[royal cedar]

It's also my main win condition lmao

[royal cedar]

Magikill too scared to touch grass

[lone sapphire]

U can drain their eco in the long run

If they dont have vault

Never forget that

If you can't break tru keep them spending their gold

[royal cedar]

I think this just furthers the offensive nature of the deck. I had Miner Upgrade with the intention of overpowering my opponent's economy with my own (and it worked, they couldn't keep up and were being overwhelmed by an infinite supply of units)

[lone sapphire]

Magiks need an AI fix before I dare to let them attack lol

[royal cedar]

XD

[lone sapphire]

Yeah but u got 2 troops u can buy and have a kong recruitement time

Dont need that many recourses to constsntly be building them

In the endgame u need 3-4 miners on mana and that's it

Also can have 5 miners on mana

[royal cedar]

In the first five minutes you'd see me with 6 miners on gold and 4 on crystal

[lone sapphire]

If u UC 1

[royal cedar]

I've seen mfs playing with Spearcher decks with 6 miners and I was wondering how the hell they can pull that off

Like 4 on gold and 2 on mana

That isn't enough xd

[lone sapphire]

Miner hustle spell is better than the upgrade tho

For eco

Can boost eco really early

[royal cedar]

I might try adding Miner Hustle but it doesn't seem necessary at the moment

I'll give your deck suggestion a try and see if I can reap a win.

[lone sapphire]

What's normally the reason u losem

?*

If u lose tower sometimes maybe think of stuff like tesla coil

Just use that slot to fill ur weakness

[royal cedar]

Hmm

Tesla Coil does seem useful

But I'm mainly scared of having my deck rely too much on Center Tower

[royal cedar]

Giants

[lone sapphire]

Well giants need vault

[royal cedar]

I fought this dude for 90 mins straight and he defeated me because I ran out of mana crystals

[lone sapphire]

Early resign if u see vault lol

[royal cedar]

VoP Main VS VoP Mains got me like

By the time their battle is finished the Bible 2 would've already been written

[lone sapphire]

I mean

90 mins

Maybe w spiritons

They will eventually chip their tower

[royal cedar]

He had Miner Wall

And Magikill

And Monstrocity

And Deads

[lone sapphire]

Yeah I know that deck

[royal cedar]

He had CA as well

[lone sapphire]

No mana burst then?

[royal cedar]

I couldn't lay a finger on him with the fact that I was rationing my mana.

[royal cedar]

Oh wait

I think he did have that

[lone sapphire]

Then orobly bot CA

[royal cedar]

Funni Magikill explosion

[lone sapphire]

Not*

Perhaps a garrisoned dead

[royal cedar]

He had that and CA Upgrade

I think

[lone sapphire]

Isnt that 9 cards

[royal cedar]

That's the user

[lone sapphire]

Still need giants

Or did he not have vault?

[royal cedar]

He did have vault

Maybe he didn't have mana burst

[lone sapphire]

Probly not

[royal cedar]

I don't think he had MB

[lone sapphire]

If he did

He was hacking lol

[royal cedar]

XD

Me and him tend to get quirky with our VoP decks sometimes

[lone sapphire]

VoP stands for,m

?*

[royal cedar]

Vault of Prudence

[lone sapphire]

Ahh

[royal cedar]

Me and him were literally trading armies at each other

[lone sapphire]

Yeah I just resign against vault man

Aint got time for it

Cuz I aint breaking

[royal cedar]

Breaking Bad

[lone sapphire]

Snd they arent either

[lone sapphire]

I know how it works yeah

Giants always win in the long run as they only cost gold

[royal cedar]

Funnily I'm enough I was that stubborn to endure 90 mins of hell

[lone sapphire]

I hate that shit lol

[royal cedar]

I'm sure the other guy was starting to get annoyed because of how relentless I was.

[lone sapphire]

I run this now

[royal cedar]

That deck looks goofy and unique and I love it

[lone sapphire]

Dude its so OP

[royal cedar]

How so

[lone sapphire]

The defense is fkn insane

Discord makes my vids low in pixels ignore that

[royal cedar]

Do you ever send your Magikill out?

[royal cedar]

AFK Simulator

[lone sapphire]

Only if they dont have acid rain

[royal cedar]

I was about to ask you about that lmao

[lone sapphire]

I sent them at middle tower. But always take a miner w me to built a wall

[royal cedar]

Everybody gangsta until you put the enemy in house arrest.

[lone sapphire]

Lmao

[royal cedar]

Just imagine though.

The enemy not being able to mine or anything.

[lone sapphire]

Spearos is really goof against archers

Freeze them all

And UC them w spearos while juggs minions and bombers run into them

[lone sapphire]

Early rip can do that yeah

Its why I get a wall up fsst

Fast*

[royal cedar]

I might give that deck a try. Also, did I show you the defensive variation of my deck?

This?

[lone sapphire]

Seems strong

[royal cedar]

I stopped playing this one because spawners were becoming annoying.

[lone sapphire]

But 1 tip

Sickles for zombies

Sickles are better at building up

Only because of 1 thing

Sickles rushes

30 sickles overwelmes 30 zombies even with walls

I found out the hard way

But 10 sickles w a wall can beat 20 sickles

Cuz they hit the wall and not really the sickles as their AOE is small

It's goofy but it works

[royal cedar]

Man you have a crap ton of knowledge that I don't even know about and I thought I knew everything about this game

[lone sapphire]

Thanks

I learned it as I kept 1v1 my alt and test this sort of stuff

Also when e giant comes out

[royal cedar]

Nobody knows xd

POV: You 1v1 your alt

But you aren't using your alt...

[lone sapphire]

Lmfao

[royal cedar]

I'd honestly be terrified if my old Roblox account joins my game

[lone sapphire]

This but e giant for giant

That will be op

[royal cedar]

Man is already prepped for game day

Wait

E Giant + Magikill + Wall = Unstoppable?

[lone sapphire]

Yes

[royal cedar]

That sounds like a terrifying combination.

[lone sapphire]

Only struggle is archer spam

But thats why i got spearos

He destroys them

E giant can hit eclipsor

Plus u can constsntly spam e giant and sickles

[royal cedar]

Splash damage on Eclipsor

🥶

[lone sapphire]

Dunno if its gonna do splash

But even if bot

Not

Still gonna tear them up

[royal cedar]

It would be interesting if they went for something different e.g. pierce

[lone sapphire]

And best thing

E giant destoys giants

So no more struggling against giants

[royal cedar]

Does that mean we are now struggling with E Giants

[lone sapphire]

Mweh

I got my own

[royal cedar]

For some reason I can imagine a player using both Giants in a deck

[lone sapphire]

Plus if they wont do splash

Cuz in SE they didnt do sllash

Splash

Goodluck against minions

Even if they do splash. Minions will distract while ur own e giant kills theirs

[royal cedar]

"I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE!"

• The One Guy That Used Both Giants In His Deck

[lone sapphire]

Lol

[royal cedar]

Imagine eco harassing with a UC E Giant

That's peak gameplay

[lone sapphire]

Lmao

Both giants wont be a combo tho

Likely cant recruit both at the same time

and if u can

1 giant on building costs 2250 per minute

Vault gives 3k only

[royal cedar]

Yikes

Also

I think Imma call it a night

It's 3:07 AM and I don't want my fingers bitten off

Goodnight bro 👊

[lone sapphire]

Goodnight mate

Cya

[blissful nebula]

Nerf those spawned deads then you’ll be fine

[maiden tundra]

Yea agree