#Removal of Sicklewrath splash damage

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granite nacelle
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Benefits of this change if implemented:
-Allows other light melee units to compete in the early game
-Sicklewrath will no longer be the only viable option
-Swordwraths and in the future, Crawlers, will not be hard countered
-Bombers will be used more in the early game phase as they are the only cheap AOE unit (as they should be)
-Sicklewrath can still be useful, they can still counter spam by outnumbering enemies or beating units like deads with their higher base damage

Summary:
Sicklewrath doesn't need splash damage for them to be good, and it'll also benefit the rest of the early game unit roster

sacred flume
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If Sicklewrath don't AoE, what's the good of them? Swordwrath will just be a more viable alternative, Bombers will get their time to shine, but Sicklewrath? Without AoE They are basically the weakest unit with almost no purpose.

granite nacelle
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They're literally cheaper, trains faster, and deals the same damage as Swordwrath to light units.

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Not to mention the fact that they cost one population, unlike the current Swordwrath

sacred flume
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At least Sicklewrath shouldn't have bonus damage to any type of unit

granite nacelle
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Their entire existence

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Is devoted to killing LIGHT units

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That's why they deal bonus damage to them.

sacred flume
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what makes you say that?

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also you wanted balance right?

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so why not remove bonus damages?

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Their AoE is low damage enough

granite nacelle
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No matter how small their splash is, Sicklewrath are ALWAYS massed, that "small splash damage" becomes overwhelming when there's a lot of them, AND THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF THEM.

fair iris
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NOPE

sacred flume
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that's more than enough to counter them

granite nacelle
keen fable
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Tbh remove sicklewrath

silver lagoon
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In a way Bombers are just entirely outclassed. Sickles are cheaper in the fact that they don't suicide while costing you 75 gold for no guaranteed troop kill. A better way to balance this to make Sickle's not have the bonus damage to Light units, because their main focus would be a horde killer.

And if you think Bombers arent good enough, I've been thinking a change to 50 gold would be better

sacred flume
fair iris
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Sicklewraths AoE damage is the only thing that makes them useful

keen fable
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Remove them

granite nacelle
sacred flume
fair iris
topaz hearth
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Let's be fair

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Just remove sickles from multiplayer

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Instead just make them a special unit for single player and campaign

fair iris
topaz hearth
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It's basically outclassing swords in many ways

sacred flume
fair iris
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I can already see that this idea sucks

topaz hearth
granite nacelle
sacred flume
fair iris
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Seriously? the sicklewraths even have a general being made and you want to nerf them? they are weak and you want to nerf them??

topaz hearth
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Idk

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I mean sickles feel unnecessary the first time

fair iris
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My God, who came up with this idea of ​​Shit?

topaz hearth
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when they were added

granite nacelle
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What do you mean "weak"?

topaz hearth
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They are weak

fair iris
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They are weaker than Swordwraths

topaz hearth
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For 5 mins later

granite nacelle
sacred flume
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this whole debate wouldn;t have happened if CJ just buffed Swordwrath from 2 population to 1 imo, then there will be an alternative or something, or just buff swordwraths

silver lagoon
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theyre not stronger than swordwraths, sure but they quite literally have strength in numbers, especially with how cheap they are + training time

granite nacelle
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Man

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The CRAWLERS

keen fable
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Even if we buffed swords sickles will always counter them

granite nacelle
fair iris
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God... what a rubbish idea, and these sub-ideas are even worse

sacred flume
topaz hearth
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Hmmm yes

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Pls don't tell me

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You are

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An average sickle jug/spearton user

granite nacelle
sacred flume
topaz hearth
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Temivel

fair iris
granite nacelle
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Rating?

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What's your rating?

fair iris
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They are a great heavy Infantry, great for attacks and very wild.

sacred flume
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rating of what? juggs? or Sickles?

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and Timevel what unit are you talking about

granite nacelle
fair iris
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The sicklewraths are early-game troops like the swordwraths and crawlers, they are light and cheap, and deserve the splash damage since they use a scythe.

granite nacelle
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Multiplayer rating.

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God.

sacred flume
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kekw what is happening

granite nacelle
fair iris
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Swords are straight, while scythes are curved, making area damage easier, just a game of logic

granite nacelle
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Have you ever seen a European sword before

fair iris
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Have you ever seen a sword hit multiple targets in one low-up slash?

granite nacelle
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Yes

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And yes

fair iris
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You need glasses

granite nacelle
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I have

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I have seen it

fair iris
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So they're out of the right grade, swords are made to hit a single target.

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While scythes are multipurpose objects for like...cutting multiple sheaves of wheat

topaz hearth
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That's if you hit it hard as your fucking metal nut

granite nacelle
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A little obsolete farming tool, which is like 1 foot in length won't do a better job at slicing than 3 feet long Sword.

fair iris
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You can see in several movies that the farmers use the scythes in a left-to-right mowing motion, or vice versa.

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Not just in movies, but in real life.

pliant flame
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Unsickling sicklewraths

granite nacelle
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It's used to cut PLANTS

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Not Flesh

topaz hearth
fair iris
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And swords always hit a single target, as they are made for stabbing moves.

topaz hearth
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If they were I bet their scythes would done more work than we seeing now

pliant flame
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In sw3 lore sickles bois think it can be used as weapons

granite nacelle
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Absolutely NOT

silver lagoon
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🗿🗿💀💀

topaz hearth
granite nacelle
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You would have a terrible time trying to stab with a 3 foot long European Sword

fair iris
topaz hearth
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All they know is to attack

topaz hearth
pliant flame
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They farm flesh

topaz hearth
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not soldiers, means they are farmers

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normal villagers

fair iris
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They use the scythe in Horizontal Slash moves

granite nacelle
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It's a fucking sickle

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NOT A FUCKING SCYTHE

fair iris
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While Swordwraths use a vertical slashing move

granite nacelle
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Those are 2 DIFFERENT THINGS

fair iris
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Not here in Brazil, the translation is the same

granite nacelle
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Ong

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😩

fair iris
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Scythes and sickles are the same thing, just different names.

granite nacelle
fair iris
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but continuing

pliant flame
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How bout just turn their AOE attack as an ability with cool down just like sword jump ability
So they'll only do AOE once every few attacks

granite nacelle
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EVEN GOOGLE KNOWS IT

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THESE ARE DIFFERENT

fair iris
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I'm using the translator here friend, and it translates sickle to "FOICE"And scythe to:"FOICE"

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just different sizes

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And that just proves my claim.

granite nacelle
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They are used differently Disappointed

silver lagoon
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🗿🗿

granite nacelle
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They're not the same at all

silver lagoon
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we should just make sickle base damage lower

fair iris
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I've seen how scythes are used, both are of the same use

granite nacelle
topaz hearth
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It would be outclassed by other units including swords still

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They are just meant for a very short early game

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After then

fair iris
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And continuing, the reason for the area damage is because: they use the scythes in horizontal movements and the scythes are curved, not straight like the swords

topaz hearth
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They will be useless and a waste of slot

granite nacelle
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Swords do the same

fair iris
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Swords are made for stabbing moves, not horizontal slashing, vertical slashing only

sacred flume
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can we stop trying put logic into a game?

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because there is no logic in games

fair iris
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Boy, I study fencing and I understand these things

granite nacelle
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And really, the reason a Sickle is curved is for it to cut PLANTS effectively

sacred flume
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exspecially like this one

topaz hearth
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I'm not gonna refer to logic

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I am just speaking facts bout how they perform in the end

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Still loses to mostly every unit

fair iris
granite nacelle
fair iris
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There are scythes that are made for slaughtering animals.

silver lagoon
# topaz hearth Doesn't solve a shit

no? less damage output would equal its spam also having less damage output, so sicklespam based decks wouldnt be as good, especially if it had a damage of 4 with no bonus

fair iris
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And possibly, the ones they use must be these

granite nacelle
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And a Sword is used for CUTTING and SLICING flesh.

granite nacelle
silver lagoon
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sure, itd be be low as minions, but theyre just early game units

granite nacelle
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They used a butcher's knife for that

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Again, a different thing

fair iris
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However, in stabbing or vertical cutting movements, making area damage impossible.

granite nacelle
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Honestly if we refer to game logic and not real life logic, A sword would still do splash damage

fair iris
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You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

granite nacelle
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If you've ever seen an RPG game

granite nacelle
fair iris
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Boy, RPGs don't picture everything

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I have experience, I have lived in a rural area

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And I study fencing and swords, I know how everything works

granite nacelle
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If we refer to real life: A sword can cut flesh better
If we refer to a video game: same thing, a Sword can cut better

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Sickles doing their splash is not good for both balance and logic

fair iris
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Swords are good for slashing, I admit, but only in the vertical slashing motion.

pliant flame
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Maybe sickle bois modified their sickles so it can also cut flesh

fair iris
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If it is horizontal, the sword is stuck in the target's body.

granite nacelle
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And no Swordsman would actually cut that way

fair iris
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Vertically, the sword cuts better, making area damage impossible.

granite nacelle
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Same goes for Sickles

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They're short

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Short asf

fair iris
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Now that's enough, I've seen that you're too limited for this conversation

granite nacelle
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It is also impossible for them to do area damage

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Unless we're talking about plants.

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Game balance side: Sickle splash doesn't bring any good

silver lagoon
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sick's r good for the reason that they can be spammed bc of its low cost and training time. i understand that its meant to be a quick early unit, but its spam would out perform all other spams. if there was a better way of late game aoe we would be saving ourselves a lot of trouble

granite nacelle
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Exactly

sacred flume
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your idea isn't exactly popular with the people

silver lagoon
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for now, i just think a flat 4 damage is good, maybe even a health nerf

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but removal? yeah ppl arent gonna like that

granite nacelle
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"oH nO I lIkE sPlAsH bEcAuSe SiCkLe CoOl"

finite drum
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Thing is I agree with a lot of your points, but your solution is awfully extreme.

granite nacelle
sacred flume
granite nacelle
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and I want my lawn clean

lapis flame
# fair iris Vertically, the sword cuts better, making area damage impossible.

Brother, this is a video game
Games don't need to 100% follow logical stuff.
Like seriously, are most people gonna survive multiple stab wounds to the stomach? Or being in the middle of an explosion?
If you're gonna make an argument about keeping the aoe of the sicklewrath, don't use logic. Use balance and gameplay sense.

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And sickles just pretty much outclasses swords's dps when massed, and bombers in area damage

mint viper
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there are other early game units like crawlers

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and bombers are still weak evan when sickles are removed

lapis flame
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They kill themselves dealing non lethal damage most of the time

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Not only that but literally ranged units counter them

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Pretty hard

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And sickles basically does the same job as bombers but way better

granite nacelle
olive mantle
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Sicklewrath’s splash damage is an integral part of the unit, and should not be removed. Nor do I think that Sicklewrath should be removed. I do agree that they are perhaps a little bit too strong, so a nerf to 4 (+3 light) damage seems reasonable, with their damage being an issue. Spread out among other units with AoE effectively just increases their damage. 4 (+ 2 light) could even be an option, but I don’t think that that is all too necessary, and may remove a little bit too much of their anti-light aspect. Their base damage should of course be no lower than 4, that they might still deal 1 damage to blocking Speartons at minimum.

hollow maple
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even if they remove sickles splash damage they would still probably be a meta

olive mantle
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While compared to Bombers and Swordwrath, they are still found strong, the issue there is more on the part of those units.

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Bombers, which are fine except for their terrible ai, which causes them to be ineffective.

hollow maple