JCW collab level #3

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video

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https://tenor.com/view/deer-deer-run-baby-deer-fast-deer-stan-twitter-gif-11175892655847007184

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idk what that gif is ment to mean

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it's easier if you keep your front tire on the wall

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oh dear

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yea lol thats what i ment to do

just bad at it

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also if you cant tell its speed up

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@frail tusk funny i guess

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lol

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no.

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yea lol

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added my name and removed cheese
-# definitely did not yoink letters from bingies

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it's all good haha

I was actually thinking of adding my name there too

however you just revealed to me some cheese

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oh boy oh boy!

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unless you're saying you surrounded the secret exit

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yeah

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with invisible walls

oh ok good

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that may be a bit too big but lol

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it is only triggered when you touch the gray area (not the text)

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it appears one may not be able to reach it with a full rocket anyways

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:3

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So delete the checkpoint there?

insert facepalm

no offense

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oops

I'll keep that then

What ThatBSgamer did

But more optimized just in case

Walaber has already mentioned before that the collab levels have very bad lag problems on the Nintendo Switch, the most underpowered modern console ever made.

Besides the original Xbox One

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little time remains

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also I say ThatBSgamer's part is fine as-is

Mr. Gabson updated his to use a movement sequencer too

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okay but is the original xbox one really "modern" lol

i mean its thirteen years old

probably older than a lot of jcw players lol

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true

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no i mean that i didnt have the one with @full gorge changes as nobody did

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oh oops

anyways I'm gonna finally finish this

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no that would lead to a softlock

make it so you cant hit the button without getting a checkpoint

like i did before you removed them

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that good?

I didn't know it had a purpose

I just don't want Walaber complaining about too many checkpoints in one area

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current progress

I am trying so hard to check the final section

on skull mode

it is so frustratingly hard it's perfect

if beatable

It's beatable :D

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finishing it up now

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JCW Collab #3
Revised, Version 1

• Optimized ThatBSgamer's secret exit cheese prevention.
• Finished the credits.
• Updated Tongekki to kerfus.
• Did the three checkpoint thing.
• Finish my additions to ThatBSgamer's part.
• Added Amber's name.

Thanks to everyone who has been or is a part of this.

Submitted! :)

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if you cant posably hit the button without getting the checkpoints yes

nice!

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@brazen portal dw ill split it into 3 parts for you

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what do you mean

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won't this ruin the skull mode

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no im putting a button for it at the start of each part

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and what will the endings be for the parts

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thats tbd

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sigh

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i mean you can help think of stuff for the endings of parts 1 and 2

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why does the Nintendo Switch still matter

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ask walaber

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tbh that console only survived near the end because of Nintendo

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yea def

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and the worst part is it used to be faster

for example, WHAT THE GOLF

It used to run way better on the Switch

then both a game and system update released

suddenly, lag

also that game is made with Unity

where did the optimization go

idk why no one is talking about Nintendo bricking support for certain third party GameCube Controller Adapters either

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they didnt use il2cpp so there wasnt that much compiler optimatson to begien with

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but anyways I still don't know how to feel about collabs having to be split

to me it breaks what a multi-segment collab like this is supposed to be

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i agree but i say its better then nothing

ok heres the 3 minimum parts for now (i dont recomend editing them yet incase one is more laggy then exspected and i need to split them difrently but its up to you)

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how did you split them

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hold on copy 3 is just the og worps

i split them based on what i imagend the lag would be like. basicly i made up a spot

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which split is more laggy

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feel free to split them yourself if you want

i have no clue my pc is too good to tell (something i never exspected to say)

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darn

your placements seem good

but before tweaking them we should get Walaber to test them first

by tweaking I mean slightly moving the exit positions

as well as adding new times for each part

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yea thats what i was saying

that we should do that

thats what im doing with all of them atm

currently spliting colab 4

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oh no I found a horrible bug

with the game

checkpoints on a no wheels challenge adds the wheels back

when you reset to one

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yep

correct

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Interesting challenge test scenarios on part 2:
Tiny Car is impossible due to the second part.
Reverse Level is an immediate OOB.
Huge Car is unexpectedly fun chaos.

Never-ending Turbo is a bit more painful, but possible.

I'll continue this in the morning

good night :)

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gn

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the main reason is because its an active platform that is still being supported and is one of very few platforms until recently that JCW was sold on

if it ran bad on just lower spec computers then fuck 'em, that's the kind of price you pay for a more open and less forgiving ecosystem

but on a console thats the hardware you have and that's what you must target. there's an expected level of performance on console - to be honest for this game id argue anything under 60 is unacceptable anyways but most community showcase levels struggle to stay at 60 on hardware like that.

I do think the Switch CPU is still appalling though lol, and the switch 2 cpu isnt even that much better

the steam decks cpu performance is higher and that was three years old when the s2 came out, granted the steam deck has a higher tdp so its not exactly fair but its clear nintendo really doesn't prioritise cpu performance lol

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as well as just an extremely important platform lol, it's the second best selling* (*third currently but it will definitely overtake the nintendo DS the next time we get sales figures) console of all time and only got it's replacement last year. It still has a really active user base - even if JCW didn't do particularly well on Switch IIRC

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btw i think we need to remove blueballys part as they havent responded to about colab 1 and 3 yet

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where was that again

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the road part

and the building on it

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ooh

*oh

alright

well, let's see if Walaber tests them on Switch first

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yea they are going too

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@brazen portal i think your gonna need to optimise or remove the credits

namely we need to find some way to time stuff without object detectors that detect normal objects as i think thats the most laggy part

new part 3 (i missed deleating the start lol

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that's lag inducing?

hmm I guess that makes sense

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oh wait i ment to say nvm lol

sorry

though doing that is probs a good idea still

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oh

were any parts tested yet

how fast are movement sequencers, would they work for credits?

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make sure Walaber knows about this

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ok yea they tested it and its passable

if you want you can polish colab 3s parts and ending

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@brazen portal do you want to work on this or should i

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I can

I just want to know the framerates first

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ask walaber

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I should finish this

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yea while im planing on making a working verson thats includable once im done with colab 5 you will still be able to add more stuff (btw yes i will ask for any changes first)

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now that Walaber has asked for artists

I have to finish this tonight

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gl

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okay tomorrow actually :(

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@brazen portal any progress or can i work on it

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currently out of the house for a few hours

do not take this as an offense but I want to make sure it's done right

My priorities as of recent have been all over the place

And I apologize for that

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ik but i want it to at least happen. so i can work on it?

@brazen portal ?

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alright

You can do new versions of the parts and I'll check them at around 9:00–9:30pm EST

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ok thanks

sounds good to me

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no problem :)

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here

main change is removing blueballys part

and also setting the time chalanges

(feel free to change that)

as well as testing both the main and secret exsits

to make sure they are posable and work

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@brazen portal so ready to check them out?

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you didn't test the secret exits?

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no i said i did

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oh ok

I can no longer wall jump in JCW, I do not the skill anymore :(

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i tested both the main and secret exsit lol

lol

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booting up the game now

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k nice

want to vc?

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sure, it's been a while

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Final part 1!

Hopefully final part 2! @dawn dagger

the really bad section made to not have to painfully move a bunch of things before

Final part 2!

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@brazen portal dont froget part 3

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Probably final part 3!

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well ill probs add chalanges to them at least

specal chalanges i mean

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oh yeah

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i just thought you wanted to do that so i didnt lol

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you can totally help with that :)

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how so?

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like you can test which ones do what

like how they feel or react

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i mean big car is generaly my go too for chalanges but i dont want too many to use it as it might get annoying

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part 2 can be Huge car or Never-ending turbo

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mostly as huge car is the most posable of them all for the most levels

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the latter is proven to be theoretically possible

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yea i bet never ending turbo would be a pain

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it is

trust me

but it's a rewarding finish

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well ill let you deside

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grapple + never ending turbo = perfect pain for 100%ers

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im already contualing the outer 4 colabs so seems fair for someone else to deside the chalanges for at least 1 of them lol

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the true finale of Community Showcase having one of the hardest challenges seems fitting to me

once part 3 is checked and challenges are finalized I'll make one last upload of the levels

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ok

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parts 1 and 3 need extra challenges while part 3 has to have its beat the clock challenge checked

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yep

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is it fine if I go to bed for now

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yea

sure

gn

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good night :)

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send the latest of part 2

pls

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technically I did here

just without the never ending turbo challenge

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fair

its fine

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but I can send that one early

ok good night for real :)

one more thing actually, how many big car challenges are there in the game currently

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not that many given it was only added with jc3 levels

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ah, okay

if it was a lot I would've said only do it as a last retort

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you are the one person alive with the worst case scenario 3:4 aspect ratio that makes the custom camera region 3:4

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5:4

not 4:3

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making a chalange for them as well as making gabsons water part push you to the side slightly for those who dont think of quick reseting

a chalange for parts 1 and 3 i mean

part 1 updated

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part 3 with big car chalange

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you just added challenges right

oh wait I should read more next time

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lol

oh wait were you already working on them? oh well you can redo my changes easaly

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no no no

I'm testing them

we have one major problem though

we have to manually add new level IDs to the JSON

I circled the part I actually just played

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You need to check the other splits too

Of course there would be one last thing to deal with :(

Other than that, they're ready

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dw walaber said they were gonna do that

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this is how shaq drives to work

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oof at the end

lol

thought that it might be posable to break the big car there lol

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Can you let Walaber know these are the finals?
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no wasnt on my computer sorry

it does look like they used them though

update from walabers feedback

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what was changed

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the grow jump in skull mode has arrows

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screenshot?

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as walaber was confused what to do there

one moment

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could you center those more

like between the left and right walls

the arrows not being centered is bugging me :(

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fair enough lol

fixed as best i can

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why are the arrows two separate shapes

instead of one

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because im lazy

feel free to change

sorry lol

wanna vc?

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Updated the arrows

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I should've been in bed already but Microsoft sucks :(