spoiler-chat

[cyan crest]

I mean they did end the orokin so yeah good call

[cobalt rapids]

It shows well how full of themselves the orokin were

[cunning copper]

Would you trust say, a Valkyr or a Rhino to be your body guard when you were part of the class that made them what they are?

[rigid yoke]

Literally. They had more of themselves in their body than most

[cyan crest]

Everything went to the arm

[swift pond]

It's the same reason teens are in customer service jobs in the real world - there would be a catastrophic company coup otherwise. Just look at how the Origin System turned out afterwards.

[rigid yoke]

and height

[cobalt rapids]

Like 10 times their bodymass

[cunning copper]

The Scoria trusted Ash and basically deified him, look how that turned out for them.

[rigid yoke]

Scoria is close to the spanish term for "human waste" so its fitting

[cyan crest]

As long as a the teen is controlling them... No God no I'd rather throw myself to the sentients

[swift pond]

Wouldn't trust a Yareli, let alone Mr and Ms Killonsight over there.

[cunning copper]

It's explicitly stated he personally killed every last one of them.

[cyan crest]

Could've just said it means Scum

[rigid yoke]

Id rather preserve my ears

[rigid yoke]

Wanted to check if there was a specific term and google translate said that

[cyan crest]

Lol

[swift pond]

Valkyr, Rhino and Umbra - the Tinnitus Trinity

[rigid yoke]

"Boss, theres an intruder"
"Ok, deal with it"
INCOHERENT SCREAMING

[cunning copper]

Which by itself brings up a notable difference

[cobalt rapids]

Imagine being guarded by a teen with limbo. You go to sleep and wake up 10 years later

[cunning copper]

While the other tenno were slaughtering the orokin leadership, Ash was busy killing off his own cult

[cyan crest]

Good for him, good for him

[rigid yoke]

Your guard limbo when someone threatens you:

[swift pond]

You'd be walking around wondering why you can't open cupboards or use the coffee machine anymore.

[cobalt rapids]

True hell

[swift pond]

And he has max duration

[cunning copper]

The only frames i would trust as a bodyguard are Trinity and Protea

[rigid yoke]

Id worry Protea throws at me the wrong type of grenade

[cobalt rapids]

Trinity i guess.. But Protea? oh god

[rigid yoke]

apart from that, yeah

[cunning copper]

Protea's already proven they do the job, and Trinity can keep anything alive

[swift pond]

I'm out of shield, quick toss me a nade-

[cyan crest]

Last time someone trusted protea we had to deal with Parvos
... No bueno...

[rigid yoke]

Harrow tho

[cunning copper]

Doesn't that prove the point?

[rigid yoke]

if im in danger the guy just spins

[cunning copper]

They kept him alive for an unknown mumber of centuries

[swift pond]

Nothing stopping Trinity from Life Welling you to death. "Sorry, but my life is more valuable than yours."

[cobalt rapids]

He will whisper rap tap tap when you try to sleep

[cyan crest]

I mean yes but like
Parvos tho

[rigid yoke]

Thats an added bonus

[swift pond]

Get a Revenant instead. It's the same thing, but this time you die!

[cunning copper]

Vauban could be a good bodyguard actually

[cyan crest]

The squad will protect you

[cobalt rapids]

I want Grendel and a catapult.. For entertainment reasons

[swift pond]

Nailgun mines. Have fun cleaning that up.

[cunning copper]

Bastille would be portable protection

[cyan crest]

I'd be an orokin I'd have slaves to do that

[swift pond]

What about Hildryn?

[rigid yoke]

Gonna ask the important question here

Are warframe weapons/devices built by them or coming from them

Cause i aint holding that bastille, ma boi

[cunning copper]

I'm not certain Hildryn can protect anything except herself

[cyan crest]

I think they store that somewhere

Bastille is stored in the Balls

[swift pond]

It's probably phased in from some on-call storage.

[ebon mango]

i think they're somehow generated

[cunning copper]

The goal is to keep the building intact, she'd level it

[rigid yoke]

Thats, ominous

[rigid yoke]

Fair enough

[cunning copper]

Vauban is a master engineer, his are explicitly tech

[swift pond]

Loki is the only non-destructive bodyguard I can think of, but at that point you're beyond desperate and probably dead.

[cyan crest]

I mena protea does a better Job at being an engineer anyway

[cunning copper]

Baruuk

[rigid yoke]

Equinox

[swift pond]

Desert Storm

[cunning copper]

That's on your side though

[cyan crest]

Loki dies before he can protect anything

[rigid yoke]

Id say ivara but you probably dont want an arrow in you

[cobalt rapids]

Mmmmmmh... I guess it depends of the frames. They can generate thing so can they generate complex thing like tech? Or is it just some things that channel the space magik?

If Vauban give the bastille to someone, will it works if that someone throws it?

[cyan crest]

She won't be aiming at you

[swift pond]

Still means a lot of property damage and holes in your walls

[swift pond]

Most of the time.

[cunning copper]

The least destructive bodyguard would unironically be Ash

[rigid yoke]

Well, yeah, just saying she could be non destructive

[cunning copper]

He'd stab everything before they could get could close

[rigid yoke]

Thats my confusion yeah

[cobalt rapids]

Not Loki?

[cyan crest]

Mesa has aimbot so she won't be firing at you, and she's op
I'll have a mesa

[swift pond]

Yareli is safe as long as you stand really close or really far away from her. Depending on your preference.

[cobalt rapids]

I mean Loki can make you drop your fork when you eat but apart from that?

[cyan crest]

Loki is non destructive because he just dies before killing anyone

[rigid yoke]

cant kill invisible man

[cyan crest]

Not the fork cause the fork is melee

[swift pond]

Saryn though

[rigid yoke]

Anything is a ranged weapon if youre brave enough

[cobalt rapids]

So your laser pointer when you play with your Kavat, or your camera when taking holidays pictures in Phobos

[cunning copper]

Actually no...we know who the perfect bodyguard is among the warframes

Oberon

[cyan crest]

Titania would just shrink and fly out the window

[rigid yoke]

Theres wukong too. Two for the salary of one

[cobalt rapids]

Dream of every employer

[swift pond]

He is not trekking grass in my beautiful ballroom, thank you.

[rigid yoke]

Silvana begs to differ

[cunning copper]

Oberon can heal you, and simultaneously kill every hostile around you

[cobalt rapids]

Plus the rad poisoning

[cyan crest]

Oh she's gone out the window to protect her that's why she's not available

[swift pond]

No, Titania would kill everything in the room and then herself from slamming into a window.

[cyan crest]

Equinox would be fine methinks

[cunning copper]

Equinox would make them worse

[rigid yoke]

Remember that Oberon fields are radioactive. He may kill people and heal you, then you grow an extra limb

[cobalt rapids]

So that's what happened to the Orokins..

[cyan crest]

You're orokin so you accidentally make another fashion trend

[swift pond]

Would explain the arm

[cunning copper]

Oberon literally controls who it affects and who it doesn't

[rigid yoke]

Oberon just puts some carpet

Its up to you to notice where the carpet starts

[cunning copper]

We could use Nezha but...he'd burn everything else

[swift pond]

Anyone mentioned Nyx yet? All her damage is purely psychological. Nekros too, come to think.

[rigid yoke]

Nyx makes sense unless it affects me too. My therapist already deals with enough

Nekros is nice protection wise, but at the trade off of having corpse stench

[cobalt rapids]

Nekros would be wonderful for the kitchen. He kills a chicken, poof 4 wings instead of 2

Economy

[swift pond]

Guys, I think we solved our resource crisis

[cyan crest]

The chicken then rises from the dead and attacks the other chickens

[swift pond]

It's gonna take a lot of bodies, but the sacrifice is worth it.

[cunning copper]

What about Grendel? You won't even have to worry about any dead bodies to clean up

[cobalt rapids]

Yeah, plus the catapult

[swift pond]

Or food

[cunning copper]

Ask Garuda to be on blood cleanup duty

[rigid yoke]

If you dont mind the constant regurgigation sounds, sure

[swift pond]

That's like asking a hagfish to clean up at the Nick Gak factory.

You're just gonna get more gunk. Gunk there, gunk here, gunk where you never thought it could go but there it is.

[cunning copper]

Aa long as it isn't staining my house, idc what she does with it afterwards

[cobalt rapids]

You'll end up with more blood than there was.

[rigid yoke]

concern

[obtuse walrus]

So I'm not really into the lore but what exactly was the second dream? Was there a first dream? I've heard a theory that the first dream could be the duviri itself

[cunning copper]

Literally just being asleep lol

Transference wasn't really being awake, it was basically just a lucid dream while we were still asleep in the pod

[obtuse walrus]

Yeah, so apparently, Dominus Thrax could be our operator's dream while he was asleep

[simple python]

So I was right. Dominus Thrax was a Theatre Kid.

[cunning copper]

No

[simple python]

Anyway, what I'm more interested in is uh Stayanax. Spartan warframe... think they're gonna be a Gladiator-style warframe? Esp. If they drop from Veilbreaker.

[cunning copper]

We were actively in control of a warframe, that was the "dream" we had

[cyan crest]

That was the second dream

Operator dialogue in the second dream finale clarifies that the dream, the "first" dream, is a quiet cold place where they could focus and Margulis sand to them

It was being asleep

[craggy drum]

And the Second dream was transference. But to the Operators it “felt like waking up but it was just a lucid second dream”

[errant charm]

didnt the 10-0 have an Orokin on board? I know there is those messages you find on tablets when exploring the exterminate map. Maybe Dom Thrax is that dude, or that dude continuityed into another body.

[graceful zodiac]

No, Tuvul was just sending messages to the Zariman

[cyan crest]

Those messages are from Tuvul, and he wasn't on board

[balmy storm]

Closest thing to Orokin aboard was Quinn and probably the Archimedians

[cyan crest]

And possibly Gyra? She is called the figurehead

[obtuse gyro]

Gyra was just a dancer

[craggy drum]

They weren’t even close to Orokin. They were just high up in the chain of command for members of the empire.

Or in Gyra’s case, coveted for her skills as a dancer by the Orokin

[balmy storm]

I wonder if that lady dancing for Dominus was Gyra…

Probably not
But could be

[thick jolt]

Think that one was more of a singer

[plain robin]

How you doing

[craggy drum]

Tired

Still trying to get back to 100% after the absurd temperatures we reached here in the UK yesterday

[plain robin]

That sucks

[cyan crest]

OK I understood the message too late

[errant charm]

the people who install minisplit AC systems must be doing well this month in Europe.

[zenith jacinth]

I am being burned alive by the weather

The sun is a deadly lazer

[cyan crest]

This place down here is used to heat and this country is literally burning so that tells you how bad the situation is

[zenith jacinth]

My skin is whiter than the background of my pfp, I am not made for warm weather

[cyan crest]

B4 the mods start deleting messages

Mods delete messages when we're not on topic too much

[zenith jacinth]

Nice

[scarlet basalt]

Guys, fanfiction theory :
Eris is an infested cocoon 🧠 that's why there is no large movement coming from here.
Jk i pulled it out of my fanfiction brain

[wild wind]

Not the worst idea tbh. I could see something like that being the center of Infested Railjack. Not Eris itself but a pod somewhere that we're destroying.

[torpid lantern]

I have a question about this concept art
https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/051/718/998/large/liger-inuzuka-lotus-graphic.jpg?1658000993

It's called Lotus art so is this a cosmetic for her?

[zenith jacinth]

Xaku I think

[torpid lantern]

It comes with Xaku's deluxe. Kinda like I think how we get operator suits and things

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm

The ribcage/skeleton thing on the left is kinda confusing

[swift pond]

It'll come with the Xaku Deluxe collection
Trust me, my dad works for Tencent.

[torpid lantern]

So Liger called this Lotus deluxe
https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/051/718/995/small/liger-inuzuka-lotus-deluxe-graphic-work.jpg?1658000984

I guess this means officially DE is gonna start giving Lotus more skins?

[swift pond]

Yeah, looks similar to Xaku Deluxe alright.
Guess that means Space Mom is getting a wardrobe like her kids. Good for her. 😄

The hat kinda looks like base Khora though, come to think...

[torpid lantern]

They said in the Tennocon stream that this is coming with Xaku deluxe and they're all Duviri inspired.
Maybe we can get cool Duviri operator clothes too!!!

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter suit for operator

[dry magnet]

All this art work for the lotus xD

who in hell even care about here

[rain otter]

It's a Skin part of the Xaku Deluxe Bundle Thing but it is a Skin for Lotus.

Like how Zephyr Deluxe came with a Landing Craft Skin and a Operator Outfit.

[balmy storm]

I can’t wait to have this skin, Xaku Deluxe is already one of my favorites conceptually and this just makes it better

[swift pond]

Ain't enough prime junk in the world for me to pay off the plat debt

If this is indeed the case

[balmy storm]

If whats the case

[zenith jacinth]

Not you, clearly, but enough other people do

[swift pond]

If it is indeed part of a Xaku Deluxe bundle

[zenith jacinth]

Can always sell them ayatans

[swift pond]

Ayatans don't get me nothing

I'm a Prime Peddler, not an Ayatan Accountant

[dense kayak]

might get xaku deluxe just for space mom drip? 🧐

[autumn turret]

i have a feeling she will be separately purchasable due to spoilers

[balmy storm]

Her being included in the full xaku deluxe pack makes sense and works fine

[autumn turret]

im thinking like how operator stuff is separated from the main deluxe bundle

[rain otter]

yeah maybe

[autumn turret]

which i assume is due to spoilers

[balmy storm]

Did they do that Zephyr’s deluxe or just excalibur’s?

[autumn turret]

excal, zeph, rev

[balmy storm]

They’ll probably stick with that then

[autumn turret]

those are the only ones with op accessories that i know of

[torpid lantern]

Eh I think they're separate now just so people like me who don't care about the frames but want Op cosmetics can get em

[autumn turret]

and excal is just 1 item isnt it

[autumn turret]

i doubt it or more things would be separated i think, especially with how excal's is just 1 item in the op side of things

[torpid lantern]

Valkyr, Zephyr, Mesa, and Harrow are all separate

Unless you mean in game purchase

I'm talking about prime content

[autumn turret]

why would we be talking about prime content?

also the op stuff from prime accessories is not separate from whatever else is in the accessory pack

[torpid lantern]

Because I think only Zephyr is the only op clothing we've seen that is from a deluxe

Everything else comes from Prime bundles

[autumn turret]

very incorrect

[torpid lantern]

?

[autumn turret]

excal and rev also have deluxe operator cosmetics

zephyr is the only SUIT from deluxe

[torpid lantern]

Those aren't clothing though.

Oh

Yeah

[autumn turret]

everything else is facial accessories

[torpid lantern]

Yeah so idk if we have many skins to compare it with

Just Zephyr

[autumn turret]

i feel like the just facial accories makes the "its separted for spoilers" a more strong claim

[torpid lantern]

Hmm

But you could still buy the whole pack together in a bundle, right?

So doesn't that defeat the purpose?

[autumn turret]

no

they are a separate bundle, or single item in the case of excal

[torpid lantern]

How did we get the landing craft skin for Zephyr?

I'll Google this

[autumn turret]

thats part of zephyr's main bundle

zephyr is 2 bundles , everything except operator and operator

[torpid lantern]

Huh, okay maybe you're right and she'll be separate, but only if they give Xaku something else. There's always an exclusive included in these somewhere

[autumn turret]

yea, im sure there will be

[cunning copper]

The operator harrier suit looks great, i just wish there were two things for it. 1) it was available for drifter. And 2) i could toggle the 2nd vest

[balmy storm]

I’m hoping Xaku Deluxe comes with a weapon skin, but i’d take armor or syandana

[cyan crest]

I'm just sad that Lotus skin is gonna be part of bundle

Looks so cool

[rain otter]

You will probably be able to buy it separately but we will see.

[keen haven]

Hey guys i have a lore question (i guess) Or it's rather i didnt get how it happend so im confused
So, in New War near the end we travel to Zariman ship and having the "talk" with yourself, right? But in the Angels of Zeriman, it's starts with Zariman ship just appearing in our world. So amm, where did we fly in New War? Was it the same Ship? If so why it's only appears in Angels of Zariman if it's already should be there?

[rain otter]

It is the same ship the Ships like Finger Drive isn't on until Angels

So the Ship is empty with its Warp Drive powered by Void Power off so we don't see any angles or anything when we go there. So when we go back during the Zariman the Grinner have Turned back on the Finger Drive flooding the Ship with Void Energy again making it very dangerous.

[rain otter]

Not appearing in our world it was always there we just go back cuz theirs some werid readings from it at the start of Angles.

[keen haven]

Oh, i see. Kinda what i was thinking. I was just confused from the cut scene. It looked like it's only showing up, that's why i was concern

[rain otter]

Yee.

[keen haven]

Thank you)

[torpid lantern]

To check, you're asking how the Tenno visited the Zariman before it exited the void at the end of TNW?

[keen haven]

Kinda, i was confused why it appeared again in Angels if it's already was there. But it seems like it was always there and cutscene just didn't show it clearly i guess

[graceful zodiac]

It wasn't quite always there, unless you want to assume it appears during the New War without anybody realizing

My own belief is that the New War Zariman was just a mental scape, like War Within

[orchid remnant]

Yes! Finally someone else

[keen haven]

Yoo that actually fits everything! My god how i didnt think about it

It actually makes sense why the real Zariman appears only in Angels

[cunning copper]

It was in the void, we got thrown into the void

[keen haven]

So i wasn't crazy, it was actually weird for others, the "mental" explanation is perfect. Thats why after the dialogue we just appear in the transference part of the ship and Ordis only just now reattaches the back of the ship

Yo and it's actually a reference to The war within. Cause after the mental journey on the mountain at the end we actually go to that mountain to talk to Tenshin. Just like after "mental" Zariman we go to the actual Zariman that appeared

@graceful zodiac you are a genius

[wild wind]

Yeah but that's wrong.

The Zariman was bouncing back and forth between "in the void" and "not in the void". By the time of Angels it settled on this side.

Which doesn't explain how Operator knew about it, but that's why it's spooky void nonsense.

[graceful zodiac]

It wasn't, no. The Zariman hadn't been seen since it emerged the first time during the Old War.

It's only during Angels of the Zariman that it emerged again

[wild wind]

Someone mentioned that it had been.

I think it was Lotus during the onboarding for Angels.

[graceful zodiac]

All Lotus notes is that it's gonna be the final time. Mainly cause she's sending the Tenno to clear and hold it

[wild wind]

I don't think that's something she could reasonably expect to have control over if it's appeared suddenly lol

[torpid lantern]

The only problem is it shows the operator flying there in a landing craft

Why would they need to fly there if it's in their mind?

[graceful zodiac]

We also used a landing craft for War Within

It may be mental, but it still plays by normal rules

[torpid lantern]

Maybe but this is a different scenario. War within was a dream and well before the Tenno fully understood their powers.
At their level now, they wouldn't need to dream of a landing craft flight to the Zariman to get there

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, why wouldn't they? Nothing show we'd be able to just teleport around, plus it's not like our powers would give us that kind of control

[torpid lantern]

That's an argument that supports my question too

If it's in their mind, they dont need to dream all those nuisances. They have full control. Not to mention they talk about the Zariman over lunch like they're actually there and it's a real place.
"You've been stuck here this whole time?"
"Not here exactly, but yeah."

If it's all a dream, you wouldn't talk about the location like you're really there. Locations would be irrelevant

[graceful zodiac]

You're assuming they'd have that kind of control over it. As far as is shown, the mental space acts and reacts like it's normal reality.

[wild wind]

The mindscape in TWW was inflicted on the Operator though

Not something their powers did

[torpid lantern]

The only example we have of a mental scape is War Within and it didn't behave like reality. Characters like Ordis acted out of character, there were odd things that weren't real like the golden maw. And they didn't know they were dreaming.
Captain's totally right, the operator is awake and makes a conscious choice to go confront the drifter.

[graceful zodiac]

That's fair. This mental scape could just be because reality wants them to decides what's going on

[wild wind]

The New War is the ending half of the Drifter and Operator's story. I suspect that Duviri is going to put a lot of stuff in context.

I've said for a while that the initial Paradox is going to be that we helped the Drifter so they could help us so we could help them

[graceful zodiac]

Nothing shows it was a conscious decision, the quest goes right from Operator appearing back to suddenly on the Zariman

[wild wind]

Or they'll ignore it and move on, hard to say lol

[torpid lantern]

Rebecca said Duviri happens both before and after TNW. It should explain a few things

[torpid lantern]

It goes from him looking around to flying a Landing Craft to the Zariman. I mean, I dont think someone came and bonked them on the head but they could've gotten knocked out by a falling tree branch maybe?

[wild wind]

Also, the Operator has teleported weirdly before, even come back with physical objects

[formal grove]

I have the feeling that Dominus might be yet another version of the Operator/Drifter because the residents of Duviri mistook Drifter for Dominus
Operator accepted Wally's offer and left the Void to return to the Orokin and became a Tenno
Drifter is the one who rejected Wally's offer and found being in the Void to be hell
Dominus could be the one who either thrived in the Void or accepted Wally's offer but didn't leave to return to the Orokin to become a Tenno
Dominus saying "what's out there?" and wanting to go there out of curiosity could be referring to how they think life in the Void is perfect and don't understand why the Drifter wants to leave

[wild wind]

Apostasy and Chimera Prologues

Erra

[graceful zodiac]

In both those cases, Wally is the one that brings us there

[wild wind]

All of which involved Wally's interference, and let me point out you weren't chasing the Drifter on the Zariman

That was Wally leading you to you

[keen haven]

I think the key argument of what happened is that we awaking in the transference room after the talk. Like from what i think, after Lotus goes away we go to it and kinda come to terms with what happening and after the 'mental talk" (in witch we make a decision who will finish this) one of the operators appears.
The Zariman ship also can serve as connection of memories since they are now two in one after the choice, they share itch other memories or something like that

[torpid lantern]

Oh! You're free to post spoilers in here. You don't need to use spoiler tags

[wild wind]

My mind jumped to the same place actually.

[balmy badger]

Am I the only person who thinks the whistle Drifter does in TNW sounds kinda like Protoman's whistle from Mega Man?

[wild wind]

But I wonder if it could be even worse. Dominus is in absolute control over Duviri, with enough power to warp the area with his unconscious emotions.

There's a famous episode of The Twilight Zone called "It's a Good Life"

I'll skip the specifics but long story short there's a baby born with godlike powers whose merest thoughts warp reality, who separated his little town from the rest of the universe and whose every whim comes into existence.

A child with that kind of power, never learning the difference between right and wrong because the parents and townspeople are too afraid?

Familiar.

I wonder if the Operator was about to have a younger sibling when the jump failed.

[scarlet basalt]

referring to the photo we got from Zariman i guess 🤔
Idk if she was pregnanant, but wow that would be a sad plot twist tbh

[sharp spoke]

Send them to the cornfield

[jagged sable]

See, with D.T. being king in Duviri one has to wonder.
How do they both rank in the pecking order?
Does D.T. serve the man in the wall?
Or does the man in the wall serve D.T.?

[wild wind]

Someone actually got it

[sharp spoke]

I gotchu it's a good episode

Also, I don't think Wally serves anyone but itself

[scarlet basalt]

yes itself. The void 😎

[wild wind]

The Man in the Wall's not a person, per se. It IS the Void in some sense. That idea of "the abyss gazing back at you'l" from Nietzsche.

Just way overly literal.

[sharp spoke]

Right, lovecraftian horrors beyond our comprehension and such

[wild wind]

Basically. I don't even know that it's after anything except spreading chaos.

[sharp spoke]

He's a zany one, that Wally

It, whatever.

[scarlet basalt]

Wally is just being Silly ❤️

[orchid remnant]

Was just about to say that

He’s just a silly fun loving guy

[rain otter]

There was a born

What was the Childs name?

[errant charm]

Duviri is consuming the void. So maybe Wally eventually needs the Tenno to resolve this issue.

[rain otter]

Could be a werid civil War.

[graceful zodiac]

I question Wally wanting us to do anything about Duviri simply because he let us go? Unless Wally wanted us to suffer hundreds of years of trauma, there'd be no reason to let the Zariman leave the Void at all.

[cyan crest]

I mean, saving everyone was part of the deal, and I imagine that Lovecraftian entities hold their part of the deal

[errant charm]

Maybe he didn’t know he would need us again.

I just hope it’s not some odd zombie Ballas who is DT.

Or knew he would need the the kids later.

[graceful zodiac]

The question would still be why let us leave

[hazy badge]

Is the drop rate for Gyre parts still fubar

[cunning copper]

He did literally say "I can save them, all of them"

That in itself implies he can get us out of the void safely

[errant charm]

He let us leave because we were not ready yet.

[cunning copper]

That's my assumption too

We may have had all that power, but no idea how to use it

Even after Margulis, we never learned because she sealed most of it away

It's only after WW specifically that we started learning how to use them all

[oak gull]

Bro why do people keep on saying warframe going rogue like what do they mean

[cunning copper]

Literally

Duviri Paradox is going to be rogue-like

[oak gull]

What so like only Tenno is that what they mean

[cunning copper]

Mostly, yes

Also each run gets you further along

Until you complete it

[craggy drum]

It’s gonna be more a Rogue-lite

Not as brutal as a rogue-like but something different and with enough of a challenge to feel rewarding without the slog of true rogue-likes

[errant charm]

I’ll have to rewatch some conn stuff but one thing I noticed is the land of Duviri seems to be spawning outward from the 10-0. Like it’s trying to terraform the void.

[wild wind]

Huh I didn't get that sense. You might be right though.

[sharp spoke]

If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned that exact idea during the art panel at Tennocon

I thought there was an image that better demonstrated it, but maybe this is the one they commented on

[errant charm]

I mean the Orokin were likely advanced enough to have the tech to have something like the Genesis Device. (Ref Star Trek II)

[cunning copper]

I feel if they had that, they wouldn't have left Earth the way it is

[wild wind]

assuming they cared

Earth makes for a strong argument as to the Orokin right to rule

[cunning copper]

They did care

Earth was the seat of their power until they had to abandon it for the Moon

Didn't the Saryn Prime trailer imply Ballas made Saryn to take back earth or something?

Either way we know the Orokin made multiple attempts to reclaim the planet

[fleet veldt]

Silvana via bootleg Transference on an early build of Titania created her forest and kickstarted terraforming of Earth to a more familiar, albeit vastly exaggerated, state.

[eager eagle]

Guys, can anyone show me/remind me when the Hand in New War is cut and falls so we get it in Duviri?

[rain otter]

It's before you have to log back in

[errant charm]

During the Teshin part

[rain otter]

https://youtu.be/qkCrWh95LRw

Here you go it's at 5:02 time stamp

And then we get stabbed

[errant charm]

Stabby McParacisis. Aka Ballas.

[rain otter]

And then We fall into Portal and then Login.

[cunning copper]

It just me misremembering or did Drifter get stabbed by a ghost paracesis?

The real question i have is, was that because of our powers or because we got stabbed with Paracesis?

[craggy drum]

When Drifter is “stabbed” by the ghostly Paracesis, you hear Ballas’ line about sending the devil back to Hell so I’d assume it’s because Operator got stabbed in realspace while there was a Void portal open. Bridging the gap.

[cunning copper]

Yes, but did Drifter get "stabbed" due to our powers, or because of Paracesis specifically?

That's a question i'd like to know the answer to

We can assume it uses void energy somehow if it can strip sentient resistances

[rustic dagger]

paracesis just didnt like the drifter

[rain otter]

It's more just cuz we are connected to the Drifter.

[graceful zodiac]

Not our powers, was because of Eternalism+Wally business

[rain otter]

Like COSMICLY CONNECTED

[craggy drum]

There’s nothing specific. Drifter and Operator are a paradox, especially if they’re sharing the same Void Space.

Something happening to Operator could be reflected in Drifter just because while that Void Portal was open, they both existed in a shared space as the Void bled into Realspace

Plus Realspace is mimicked or reflected in the Void too like when Albrect thought he was still in his lab after the Seriglass bell shattered.

So it was trying to reflect Operators experience and Drifter got like an echo of it maybe?

[wild wind]

I suspect it's going to be more than "just" that, though you're right of course.

[craggy drum]

Oh yeah of course,

You gotta get that typical Void Muckery erasing any notion of understanding lol

[wild wind]

Hahaha, I was actually referring to Paracesis itself being kinda special, but good grief I'm not looking forward to that either.

[cunning copper]

Crazy theory, what if we find Vor in Duviri?

He's connected to the void, he carries the Janus key. Iirc Janus is the name of a theater god

[graceful zodiac]

Janus is a god of doorways and passages/choice

[cunning copper]

A roman god specifically

Duviri has many roman naming themes

[final pebble]

i think a vor reappearance would be a logical thing to include for that reason, but i also doubt it will occur to the devs lol

they're good at making characters/lore and then forgetting about them :')

[errant charm]

was the ghost stab in TNW or one of the Duviri clips from tennocon?

[final pebble]

the duviri trailer, near the beginning

[cunning copper]

Somebody compare Dominus' outfit to Vor

[final pebble]

you thought it was dominus, but it was ME, CAPTAIN VOR

[cunning copper]

No seriously, the stomach armor looks very similar

Dominus had a small disc of sorts on the lower abdomen iirc

Vor has a augmentation in that same spot

Looks like three of Dominus' limbs could be prosthetics

[errant charm]

I mean he is in the void. Maybe a verison of him exists where he was not endless monologuing cannon fodder.

[cunning copper]

Vor has three of his limbs replaced with prosthetics

[final pebble]

this is now the only outcome i will accept. get on it, DE

[cunning copper]

I wasn't seriously considering this at first, only that he may be in the quest because it's the void and his key has a roman god's name

But now it just seems like it all adds up too conveniently, not that I expect him to actually be Dominus

The Janus key might also explain how the drifter got out of the void and into normal space

Janus is afterall the roman god of beginnings and transitions (doors, passages, etc)

[errant charm]

that could be a logical pathway

[cunning copper]

Come to think of it, the Janus key let Vor teleport and stuff

[torpid lantern]

I'mma have to say that makes no sense to me at all

[cunning copper]

[cunning copper]

Duviri has many roman themes, especially in wording. Vor is connected to the void by his void key named after a roman god.

That was my only reason to speculate he may be in Duviri

Also, he's still alive because we haven't killed him once and for all yet

[torpid lantern]

There's a lot of roman thing connected to the Orokin so the Janus key being Orokin seems more like a coincidence to me. I wanna guess that Dominus picks and chooses who gets to be in Duviri because of the guard saying the Paracesis wasn't supposed to be there

he makes a show of the Drifter being a knight as if he found the drifter and forced him to play in his weird messed up game

[cunning copper]

Janus specifically is a god of beginnings and transitions. Duviri starts changing against Dominus' will.

That is both a beginning and a transition

Rebecca said Dominus is someone more familiar than they seem

[torpid lantern]

Vor is too serious to behave like Dominus

[cunning copper]

Vor was obsessed with the Orokin and the void

[torpid lantern]

It'd have to be someone with a childish personality

[cunning copper]

Anyone could start being childish when they can bend reality to their whim

[torpid lantern]

But we know how Vor behaves when he has untold power

it's not in chaarcter for him at all?

[cunning copper]

I don't expect him to be Dominus, no

[torpid lantern]

oh xD

[cunning copper]

But it would certainly fit for him to be somewhere in Duviri

[torpid lantern]

I mean, it's possible he can end up there maybe. I"m not sure how but definitely won't rule it out

[cunning copper]

It could also explain why he isn't dead yet

[torpid lantern]

We've got the drifter time-traveling to a point in time before the Op wakes up from cryosleep so I'm just gonna say ANY character cameo is possible xD

[cunning copper]

I don't think Vor can be Dominus. Vor has three replaced limbs, Dominus only seems to have replaced his right arm

[errant charm]

the dude's last name is Thrax, We fight thrax dudes at times on the 10-0. I just rewatched the trailer and it ends "Maybe I should just go there myself" Maybe DT or a version of him is who punched the 10-0 through to real space. Though the holdfasts have never said anything related to such.

[graceful zodiac]

Unless Vor somehow gets healed or his appearance changes, it can't be cause Dominus has a normal left hand

[cunning copper]

Interestingly, the Wiki describes Dominus' left hand as
left hand, being uncovered by the armor, looks blue with pale white fingers and black nails, essentially looking like a corpse.

We do however know that Vor's skin is really pale white

They both seem to have really long necks too

[graceful zodiac]

That's...def a wiki error. His hand is plain skin tone in concept art

[balmy badger]

I'm calling it now that Dominus is just another MITW persona.

[cunning copper]

The concept art also shows his legs to be thicker than they actually are

And look more normally proportioned

[graceful zodiac]

And actually looking at him in color, that hand is def not blue or pale

[balmy badger]

Looks like human skin to me.

[torpid lantern]

That's my theory too! What's interest is that the art team said that MITW was designed to resemble Duviri

You can see how he makes everything greyscale at the end of TNW

[graceful zodiac]

Might give it pale in retrospect, but definitely not blue

[cunning copper]

Blue-ish, but that's probably just lighting

[torpid lantern]

I think they were using the old concept art

[cunning copper]

You can't really see a skin tone in thr concept art

His hand is almost the exact same color as his outfit

[torpid lantern]

that's why I said that. Cuz in the trailer it's totally not blue xD

[graceful zodiac]

Concept is closer to the gold/brass, yeah

[torpid lantern]

He's got a good tan

[cunning copper]

The hand itself does look blue-ish, with plae white fingers

But i attribute that to his hand being in shadow from the protector on top of it

[supple dagger]

That last sentence pretty much confirms that he’s someone who we know

[graceful zodiac]

And actual looking through the trailer, man's whole legs are out

[cunning copper]

Those leg proportions of his don't look natural

They better not make it be Ballas

He may be childish enough to repeatedly execute someone for days on end, and definitely had a god complex. But I hope he's finally dead and not involved with this

There aren't too many characters that would be familiar enough to players for that line to have any weight towards.

[final pebble]

it is definitely time for ballas to be completely dead for real, i agree. bringing him back would, i feel, cheapen the lotus's narrative arc of overcoming her abuser and finally freeing herself from him forever

[cunning copper]

"Surprise! I can't kill you, you can't kill me either."

It's not like we haven't tried killing him before and failed

[errant charm]

Ballas being dead dead is how it should be.

[cunning copper]

The cephalon fragments even point out that the Seven "dying" doesn't accomplish anything because they don't stay dead

[graceful zodiac]

That's with access to Kuva and normal tech

[final pebble]

although i got the impression that may have been dependent on orokin tech. continuity right?

[orchid remnant]

I’m glad that we still get to hear Ballas in prime trailers though

[cunning copper]

We literally killed Ballas near more Kuva than we have ever seen anywhere else

[errant charm]

yeah the prime trailers it makes sense as they where him pitching the frame to the seven

[final pebble]

they need a fresh body though. that's what the war within was all about.

[cunning copper]

Also, didn't he get sucked into the void?

[errant charm]

also the lotus may have sapped all the life energy from him with that ending, may not be any continuity left.

if he didnt get voided he was left with Pargusa to fall into the sun

I hear things are quite burny there

[cunning copper]

We can only hope it was the latter

He deserves it

[torpid lantern]

I think it's super important we consider their personality too along with other clues. Ballas doesn't have Dominus' personality either. He was whiny but too smart. Dominus' giddy delight over things would've been beneath him

[errant charm]

maybe even a different orokin, though dunno how they would get there. Or who knows someone from the Zariman crew mad with power. well the crew of that zariman.

[graceful zodiac]

That's....never actually confirmed as far as I know

[cunning copper]

The kuva mirrors

There were a lot of them in the Ballas fight, and a massive one behind him

[graceful zodiac]

We call them Kuva mirrors, but I don't think they were ever actually confirmed to be Kuva

[cunning copper]

Well, at the very least they reacted to the Lotus' void beam thing

[errant charm]

lawd by the end of all this paradoxing will we have more Zarimans than there was Enterprise in the TNG episode Parallels.

[final pebble]

does kuva "react" with sentient beams elsewhere in the storyline/quests?

[rustic dagger]

lotus!

[errant charm]

I figured the beam was just a really potent beam and the operator happens to be able to deflect it

[cunning copper]

Idk, but we know void beams destroy kuva

[graceful zodiac]

No, Kuva only ever appears in War Within

[torpid lantern]

I think it's MITW. After the art team said that the actual wall man dude thingy is related to Duviri, then Dominus saying he wanted to see outside, I can't think of anything else

[cunning copper]

I don't see wally as being that childish

[graceful zodiac]

It'd being related to Duviri could just be the same kind of deal as him wearing the Lotus helmet

[supple dagger]

Dominus saying “What’s out there thats so fascinating” sounds like he doesn’t know about the origin system

But Wally does cause he’s literally in it

[torpid lantern]

They said when they made the MITW's 3d form:
"We wanted to tie it closer to how the void represents duviri and things you see there."
It sounds more intentional than MITW mimicking Lotus' appearance

[cunning copper]

Even before WW, he'd still know about it through his interactions with Rell

[orchid remnant]

maybe each tenno gets to own their own zariman!

[errant charm]

you get a haunted ship, and you get a haunted ship...

[torpid lantern]

[balmy badger]

[rose ice]

This chat and the lore chat are my two new favorite places

[supple dagger]

Ikr

[rain otter]

I mean we all get Sevogoth ship

[frail nymph]

I think it has something to do with everyone mistaking Drifter for the king

But that could just be a "nobody's ever actually seen the king" situation

[frail nymph]

It has as much confirmation as Warframe will typically provide... "They plunder her temple kuva"

[obtuse gyro]

I honestly believe that in the event that duviri eventually aligns itself with the current timeline (in that the events of duviri catch up to where we are now, or will be with veilbreaker) and that the backwards facing zariman still remains by that time, that thats a mirrored zariman, which would match some of the drawings on the zariman

[frail nymph]

Man in the Wall is kinda childish in his Chimera Prologue appearance but it's too weird for him to be king...
Also Wally wouldn't exactly make everything look like Orokin stuff

[errant charm]

maybe the king only ever wore the mask

[frail nymph]

It's his favorite mask, implying there are others cause otherwise theres no concept of favorite...

[obtuse gyro]

I think that Dominus might be the Skittergirl of the tenno, whether its just us or all the tenno I cant tell yet

[primal beacon]

hi

[frail nymph]

Seems too powerful to just be a manifestation but why notI guess

[primal beacon]

anyone wonder if emperor thrax is even real or if he or maybe they dont remember are an embodiment of the void

[frail nymph]

Gotta keep in mind that most of Duviri was made by the terraforming tech on the Zariman

[primal beacon]

interesting dominus thrax seems to be like an actor or making all of duviri a play

[obtuse gyro]

Skittergirl isn't strong yes, but imagine the manifestation of a void-tainted child, or even all of them, surely that would account for the power diff no?

[primal beacon]

maybe

[frail nymph]

Thrax is someone that was given power comparable to the reliquary, that's for sure. And only Tenno are known to be that powerful

[primal beacon]

maybe they drank a religuary?

like void angels do?

[errant charm]

Skittergirl is just the thiefbot from Descent II 😉

[frail nymph]

If a void angel actually fully feeds from the Reliquary it means the end of the Zariman as we know it. Don't remember exactly why but it's kinda related to the whole "being taken over by the void" thing.

[primal beacon]

maybe a different zariman in a diff time was because of eternalism

[frail nymph]

I highly doubt it's a different Zariman. Sun and Moon are placed in the door in Dormizone and you can see Duviri behind the AoZ Zariman.

[primal beacon]

no i mean in a diff time dominus thrax ate religuary then used void to go to this

[wild wind]

Was it made by the tech? I mean, the whole point of the Sentients was to terraform Tau before the jump. I missed that part of the stream, but I thought that Duviri was flowing out of the Zariman because the void was being shaped by people's thoughts to form it.

[frail nymph]

That was never the point of sentients. Orokin have been terraforming since long before their conception

[wild wind]

Similar to how Thrax's (and now our?) decrees shape it

And err what no the Sentients were literally terraforming tech. @.@

[errant charm]

the Zariman very likely had Terraforming equipment onboard, but the Sentients were sent ahead with the intention of them prepairing Tau for habitation

[primal beacon]

yeah they were

[frail nymph]

Nope that was just their task, not their unique benefit

[primal beacon]

mmmmmmmm

[wild wind]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[primal beacon]

i dunno

[frail nymph]

The point of Sentients was their ability to gradually adapt resistance and reproduce. That was crucial to actually reach Tau by flying through normal space

Otherwise the flight is too perilous

[primal beacon]

but they cant reproduce after void

[frail nymph]

That was intentional, yes. To stop them from coming back through to solar rail they made

[wild wind]

Separate issue, they used a jumpgate to get back which sterilized them

They went there on the slow path

[obtuse gyro]

Except for the missing solar rail

[frail nymph]

And only Sentients could survive the slow path, which is why they were useful

[frail nymph]

The sentient project was long after the Zariman being a failure

[wild wind]

The Sentients built that. Their entire purpose was to make Tau a garden world for the Orokin

[obtuse gyro]

Exactly, so the sentients could not have gone ahead of the zariman

Because if there was a solar rail there was no reason for the zariman's railless design

[wild wind]

That's the entire reason they rebeled. They made Tau Ceti a paradise system and realized the Orokin were coming and would do to it what they'd done to the Origin System.

[frail nymph]

The Zariman mission crew is specifically told by Tuvul that a solar rail will has to be built by the crew so that future missions will enjoy its comfort.

[frail nymph]

Which is entirely unrelated to the events surrounding the Zariman... Not sure why you're mentioning this

[wild wind]

Part of the earlier convo

[frail nymph]

Oh okay my bad

[errant charm]

is it possible Duviri is being formed by the equipment normally meant to build a rail? After all we know Orokin buildings are not just metal and welding.

[wild wind]

Oh wait, there's a way to have both be true

[frail nymph]

Steve literally stated that it was built by the Zariman's Terraforming tech, why would it have to be solar rail tech?

[wild wind]

The Sentients weren't supposed to build the rail, the Zariman was.

[frail nymph]

Both were

[wild wind]

Sentients go first, Zariman would follow in a few centuries.

[frail nymph]

No, Zariman first, Zariman fails, so they make sentents

[obtuse gyro]

Doesnt make sense, why would they make the Zariman jump if the sentients would have built the rail?

[autumn turret]

the sentients were definately supposed to make the rail for their mission

[wild wind]

Look at my first response, I suggested they weren't supposed to

If all had gone according to plan the Sentients wouldn't have developed intelligence on the way

Even though they were a half step away from true sigh sentience

[frail nymph]

The Sentients are stated to be supposed to build a rail on the way

[obtuse gyro]

Your first response and your statement aint make sense because the sentients could not have been sent over without instructions to build a rail because they were explicitly sent over with the instructions to build a rail

[frail nymph]

Everything we know about the lore makes it impossible for even the idea of Sentients to be allowed before the failure of the Zariman mission. Without ambiguity and only using direct statements

If the Zariman mission hadn't failed, the creator of sentients would be executed

[wild wind]

Eh, the whole trial was set up by Ballas in the first place

[frail nymph]

Ballas is only one of the seven, and he has no veto power

[obtuse gyro]

If the other 6 werent convinced, bye bye sentients

[frail nymph]

He still had to make Archimedean Perintol convince the others, which would not have been possible if Zariman wasn't a loss.

[wild wind]

No, he's the one who sent the guy into the trial in the first place

To get the Sentient project up and running

[obtuse gyro]

Well yea, or else the sentient project could not have been started

[graceful zodiac]

Note, that was only in it's initial concept stages

[frail nymph]

It wasn't a trial.
It was part of the Archimedean Symposium.

Ballas had no power to allow sentients without sending him there

[obtuse gyro]

Which also funnily enough acted like a trial, which come to think of it, werent the symposiums of old also kinda like wwe matches?

[frail nymph]

Oh were they? That would be classic Orokin to appropriate that

They weren't trials in the sense that the people being sentence to death didn't necessarily break orokin Law and weren't criminals, they were just deemed not good enough to live

[obtuse gyro]

I cant remember but I read something about plato just wrestling or something, perhaps during the seminar

[wild wind]

That hardly checks out tbh, Yonta missed them.

[obtuse gyro]

Yonta was also gone for a long time so

[frail nymph]

She pretty much said the opposite

She was happy that there won't be any more symposiums

[obtuse gyro]

Yonta also referred to Archimedian Seniors (the ones who actually were successful enough to live long enough)

[wild wind]

That's not how her voice sounds tho. It's regretful, not relieved or triumphant.

[frail nymph]

She literally said "no more being terrified thinking whether the Orokin will single you out next time"

[wild wind]

Petrified

Very different connotation.

[frail nymph]

Right, petrified. Same meaning

Exact same connotation

[wild wind]

Actually no.

You can be petrified with stage fright

[frail nymph]

You can be terrified with stage fright as well

That doesn't change the connotation

You can also be frightened by stage fright

Petrified just means frightened to the point of not being able to move

[wild wind]

It really does. Got it to play just now.

[frail nymph]

You're just seeing things

If her emotion mattered, she would be sad about the first half, and excited about the second

And she didn't use "singling out" as the verb describing being chosen, because it's a negative aspect

[graceful zodiac]

Just pulled it off the wiki, and there's not much regret in her voice

[frail nymph]

Doesn't even matter whether or not Perintol was in a symposium anyway. He was definitely not in a trial, given the fact that the creator of the idea of Crewmen was killed for simply being inadequate right before him.

[errant charm]

does sure come off at times that the executors had "Vader Syndrome". "You have failed me for the last time" and bam jade light.

[supple dagger]

What if the events in Duviri cause the Zariman to pop up in the origin system?

[dry magnet]

Probably

[frail nymph]

Lotus's hand is what got Drifter out of the loop... Meanwhile he genuinely cared about her in New War, besides being the person to rescue her body from the void... I think that's pretty solid by now that this is the backstory of how the Zariman and Drifter and her rescue was set up

What if Teshin's "finally took the hand" is referring to something other than Lotus' hand? It's most likely that, but what if...
What if Drifter eventually ends up taking Wally's hand to have his own version of the deal?

[dry magnet]

The half robotic women that is in throne she will probably use it to go to that other universe

[supple dagger]

True but I was just thinking that some of the events that took place in Duviri could’ve caused the Zariman to appear back into the origin system. But yea the quest will probably just focus on how drifter found Lotus, and how he escaped Duviri

[frail nymph]

Yeah I meant that the Zariman's appearance is literally through Drifter taking it from Duviri to the origin system in order to rescue Lotus and also help.

Like why else would Duviri be behind the Zariman in AoZ and all that...

[frail nymph]

Who?

Are you talking about the King of Duviri (Dominus Thrax)?

[obtuse gyro]

Still am a firm believer of the mirror zariman

[frail nymph]

What do you mean exactly?

[obtuse gyro]

the caca smears on the walls of the zariman have to mean something!!!

[obtuse gyro]

that even after whatever goes down in the main quest of duviri, we still have one zariman facing outward in real space and one zariman facing inward in duviri

[frail nymph]

The logo looks like that as well, and the original mission, which the logo is related to, didn't have Duviri or being in the void in mind...

[obtuse gyro]

oh I didnt think about the logo, but I was specifically referring to the smear on the wall where theres two bananas intersecting on a line like this )|(

[frail nymph]

What would you say is the mechanics of how that's possible?

If the Dormizone door was literally a portal like Albrecht's story, then sure. A copy of the Zariman would for around the door, just like the floor of his Lab.

But the portal seems to be surrounding the entire Zariman, and there's nothing around the Zariman for the void to replicate (unlike the floor of the lab)

Also wouldn't the drawings look like (|) ?

[obtuse gyro]

I need to find the exact drawing but the )|( shape is what I remember

[supple dagger]

It might be something related to eternalism tbh. The Zariman is facing outwards towards the origin system. The Zariman isn’t facing outwards towards the origin system. That could also be a possibility

[frail nymph]

I mean that if I made a drawing that's mimicking what we see ingame, that would be (|)

[frail nymph]

The different possibilities of eternalism occur in different universes

[obtuse gyro]

Ah but it would have been a drawing done during the accident when folks were still alive no?

[supple dagger]

Doesn’t the void connect all of the different timelines and universes?

[frail nymph]

Oh so are you saying it was originally )|( but after that...
then Drifter turned on the engine and moved the |( Zariman out of the void to make it (|
And at the same time the mirror )| became |)

[obtuse gyro]

More of in the time of the incident people saw the )|( but afterwards when everybody got gooned it settles into the (|) we see in game

[frail nymph]

Yes, possible, but that's gonna need an explanation of how both Zarimans ended up in Duviri, since the one ingame right now has its back half in Duviri.

[frail nymph]

Oh right since it's (|) even at the beginning of Duviri gameplay

[obtuse gyro]

Because a strong theme regarding the void (which has barely been dived into) is the idea of mirrors, especially with that whole weendaswebegan thing

[supple dagger]

O alright. That makes sense

[frail nymph]

But wasn't the one mirror that showed the void the only one that didn't behave exactly like a mirror?

Also any explanation of why we can't see the mirrored zariman behind the one that's in AoZ right now?

[obtuse gyro]

Engine cant handle rendering

[supple dagger]

Duviri takes place during TNW so the Zariman in AoZ hasn’t really appeared yet. That’s my best guess. Either that or the Zariman in Duviri is the one in AoZ

[frail nymph]

No I'm talking about during AoZ... During AoZ:
If the mirror of it is in Duviri like (|) where ( and ) are zarimans and | is the portal, then...
During AoZ, if you looked behind (| you should see the mirrored zariman )

[supple dagger]

OHHHH

Yea I have no idea—

Maybe it’s just not seeable from the pov in your orbiter

[fleet veldt]

I think it's both, except you can only see 'your side' of it.

[frail nymph]

But then why can you see Duviri's trees and stuff?

[fleet veldt]

Probably how the Void masks the other side, as the Duviri view from outside is significantly bigger than what you actually see when you get there - like it magnifies to that as to obscure the other-side Zariman.

[frail nymph]

So basically viewing angles and refraction... Possible

Question: If you flew around the Zariman and the portal, without entering it, what would you see on the back side?

Like what does the rear side of the portal disk look like in regular space?

Cause if the portal to the void is like a wormhole, it would not be a planar portal

[fleet veldt]

It's probably obscured by an impenetrable black smog or blinding Void lumenance.

[frail nymph]

So it cannot be entered?

If it cannot be entered then the concept of a flat portal would kinda make sense. 4D Geometry wise, at least.

If we don't care about geometry, then it could be enterable from both sides, but that would cause void storms from the rear side not being blocked...

[fleet veldt]

It's probably enter-able from the side the Zariman is exiting from, but trying to go in from the backend would probably have you smack into a proverbiliteral hand keeping the 10-0 in place.

A hand belonging to Man-in-Wall, at that. There's a bit of concept art with a literal Grasp of Lohk/Void.

Then again it depends on how 'stable' Duviri is compared to the raw unfiltered Void.

[gritty willow]

... is MitW Lohk-i?

[dry magnet]

the only 1 that is on throne with a mask on...she is saying why drifter trying to live maybe she will go insted and in a way maybe with that ship.so they try to escape from here and then just stuck in void in Zariman ship

or something like that

[cyan crest]

He's a dude

But like
A child

[frail nymph]

How did you not end up reading this immediately lol @dry magnet

[dry magnet]

xD

[prisma fractal]

And I don't think he is truly king of Duviri rather an self-proclaimed one

As that Duviri is in void and TMITW is the real king or Dominus shook hands with him for a spot for him to rule

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri seems to be exclusively under dominus' control

[prisma fractal]

Maybe but something doesn't makes sense to me

Duviri is in void and TMITW was seen in prior events but not in Duviri and it's said in lore and showed in game he controlled void so yeah... where does Dominus fit in all of this?

[graceful zodiac]

We don't know if Wally isn't in Duviri

It's still an area we know he has an awareness of

[zenith jacinth]

Wally doesn't really control the whole void iirc, he's just kinda there and does stuff

[prisma fractal]

Looks to me either Dominus shook hands or Dominus is the evil twin or knows him

[prisma fractal]

Uhm, he does. Maybe check all scenes with him in it

[graceful zodiac]

None of his scene feature him controlling the void

[zenith jacinth]

Interesting wording, makes my brain think of this emoji(🤓) for some reason

[prisma fractal]

But the most interesting thought I had is that Dominus is maybe the 3rd operator of us the one who went insane with the powers or couldn't handle the past

[prisma fractal]

WDYM?

[zenith jacinth]

Might be the "Uhm" you used, idk

[swift pond]

It has strong "um, akshuelly" vibes

[zenith jacinth]

My brain works in ways even I don't understand

[prisma fractal]

I meant hmm actually

Just a typo

But anyone has any idea who Dominus might be?

[cyan crest]

He's stupidly powerful and doesn't seem to know of the outside world

So uh
No I have no idea

[torpid lantern]

I think he's MITW or another proxy of him 🙂

[obtuse gyro]

personally I think he's our skittergirl

[scarlet basalt]

What do you guys think about Styanax ? I was Thinking that it would be a fast frame that rely on attack speed to reach the enemies 🤔 ?

[torpid lantern]

I'm not sure... Skittergirl isn't very strong. This being has the ability to manipulate time, space and reality. I don't think void manifestations can do that

[obtuse gyro]

ah but skittergirl is not only from yonta, but she's effectively outside the void

imagine if its from a demonchild (or all of them) and still inside the void

the collective stolen childhoods of the tenno

[torpid lantern]

The problem is the Tenno on their own don't have powers. It all comes directly from MITW

So even if they had a void manifestation, it wouldn't have powers because those don't belong to the Tenno

[obtuse gyro]

its not a problem, the kids are void-tuned children, making a manifestation from the thing they lose when they gain powers really potent I would think

[torpid lantern]

Can you rephrase? I don't understand

[obtuse gyro]

think of it as a multiplicative stack of void shenanigans

the collective trauma of the children the moment they got powers amidst the incident, coupled with that theyre now deeply connected to the void, makes for a very potent manifestation

[torpid lantern]

but the hang up I keep having is that the powers the have are being loaned to them. It's not theirs. So MITW would have to loan void abilities to the manifestation. But it also would be odd because Dominus is stronger than the Tenno. They can't manipulate Time/Space within the Void. Why would MITW grant that control to a manifestation?

[obtuse gyro]

is it any different from asking why Wally would grant kids space magic?

[torpid lantern]

Yes

[obtuse gyro]

because its not

its as absurd as the other question

[obtuse gyro]

its not about the powers being loaned, it never is part of the issue.

the children are connected to the void, regardless if the result is a free loan of space magic, theyre still connected to the void, deeply even since its an eldritch void entity that theyre connected to. From there, we have 1 line of void BS. Next we have the void manifestation of the collective trauma of the children on board. It would be far more potent that skittergirl given how fresh and how disasterous said trauma was. now if you pulled a void manifestation out of a void-infested child and kept it in a void-infused place, can you deny that it wont be powerful?

its like pokemen STAB moves against a 4x weak typing

its going to hit hard

or think about it in warframe terms, wally would have Kuva nukor primed the tenno and then CO'd a manifestation out of it

[torpid lantern]

a manifestation is not a living entity. As Yonta put it, it's just an echo of something. It doesn't have thoughts like a human being and wouldn't have strength surpassing the thing it came from. We also see the manifestations of the kids on the Zariman already. They guide you to rewards. They're not void-controling entities.

Finally the MITW controls void. He'd make a pack with a human because giving them void powers means he now controls and connects to something outside of the void. He'd gain nothing from a void manifestation because the void is already something he controls. He doesn't need the echos made from it. He wants the things he can't control.

[graceful zodiac]

The issue there is that we're not dead and being remade of void stuff

[obtuse gyro]

we're not dead, but we're still a void construct of sorts

[obtuse gyro]

1. I need you to show me where yonta calls a manifestation an echo. 2) I would say thats an assumption that manifestations cannot surpass the things it comes from, because the Thrax units are also manifestations and theyre definitely more powerful that whatever original grineer theyre from 3)Everything you've said about wally doesnt contradict a thing I said, likewise theyre also assumptions about wally that we ourselves dont truly know if theyre true.

[oak gull]

Is duviri gonna be a one time open world? Or are we be able to come back

[obtuse gyro]

we should be able to come back methinks

we have no solid news

[oak gull]

But what’s the point of going back there when dominous thrax probably be dealt with by the drifter during NW

[obtuse gyro]

loot

research

[oak gull]

You reckon we’ll keep the sun and moon blades after Duviri paradox for the drifter

[fleet veldt]

Paradox.

[fleet veldt]

Hopefully, but I'm under the impression that - like with New War - anything Drifter got (like Nataruk and the Rumblejack) aside from Amps (such as Sirroco) would be set aside for Warframes to use.

[oak gull]

I’m having a guess that warframe going to be rogue like so we need something to defend ourselfs (drifter) In duviri with the blades

[fleet veldt]

True, though I feel that each runthrough of Duviri would have a part where Drifter gets a primary we have from the Other Side as part of his progression through the 'day'.

This would harken to the 2019 trailer where he knocks out a Duviri Dax with a Tigris before stealing their Kaithe.

[north trail]

But from what we can tell what's in the quest for duviri will also be in the actual open world gameplay

[plush swan]

If Duviri!Drifter doesn't have the Void powers (yet), they wouldn't be able to Operate a Warframe regardless.

[plush swan]

Given the lack of Void Sling and Void Mode in the preview, they seem to not have the powers.

[fleet veldt]

It's Drifter's origin story, which happens after/before/since/during New War.

[hollow radish]

I suspect Dominus Thrax is another variation on the Drifter/Operator, given that Bombastine seems to mistake the Drifter for DT. It implies that there's some connection, though I can't say what.

Like there's something fundamentally recognizable about DT that he also saw in the Drifter.

It doesn't have to be that another version of the player character is involved, given that the connection could just be that he's someone else entirely who accepted Wally's deal from another timeline and he's firmly jealous of anyone else like him existing.

[hollow radish]

...Maybe. Transference doesn't require void powers, but void powers are required to calm a warframe if it has a mind of its own.

See: The Silver Grove.

The archimedean from that quest attempted transference into the original titania frame, but was kicked out. Later, she permanently took up residence in the titular region as her body.

[wild wind]

Wasn't that just basic compassion?

[hollow radish]

...Yeah, fair.

[wild wind]

The secret that let the Tenno calm the Warframes was empathy.

[hollow radish]

Hergh

Habits from other servers, I need to be more careful.

[wild wind]

That's one too-strict filter, given the language in the game lol

I had an awful thought last night that Thrax could have been a baby born in Duviri

[hollow radish]

...Well, yes. Regardless, not having accepted the horrible aspects of orokin society and having a sense of being on the receiving end of stigma and abuse.

Y'mean the skeledax?

[wild wind]

Ah, no, Dominus Thrax

[rain otter]

He might be a rouge like Tenno

[hollow radish]

Rogue? Howso?

[wild wind]

(The guy is probably also responsible for the Thrax units though!)

[hollow radish]

Oh, most likely

[rain otter]

Like well not necessarily Tenno but a Child that was also on the Zariman probably a Baby.

[wild wind]

But yeah the Zariman kids went complete fey, how much worse would a kid born there get

[hollow radish]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I getcha.

It's not unthinkable.

[wild wind]

Too much power to ever be disciplined or lectured, or even taught properly

[hollow radish]

It'd completely skew their views of reality given that the void operates on different laws.

[wild wind]

And yeah the sense of what is possible

[hollow radish]

If consequences don't stick, then everything is just... Malleable and for use.

In any event, I do think that Bombastine mistaking the Drifter for Dominus Thrax is pretty significant.

[plush swan]

I am pretty sure that Transference without Void powers requires special hardware.

Also, Silvana did not get kicked out, she just felt like she was going to die if she didn't take breaks, because it felt like, "A tortured presence, like an evil ink, staining my mind."

(Some part of this feeling was almost certainly because she was using Transference on a Frame that she hated)

[wild wind]

yeah, I just wonder how

Is it significant because you're starting to use Thrax's power, or because Thrax is another quantum duplicate?

[fallen chasm]

؟

Finally got my roles

[hollow radish]

Yep, prior to TWW something like the chair in the orbiter.

Transference without is definitely a special trick.

[graceful zodiac]

I don't think it was a mistake, it was more Bombastine vamping for time and dragging in the first person he saw

[hollow radish]

And grabbing someone to play Dominus Thrax

I mean that's not unthinkable.

[frail nymph]

Bombastine acts like Drifter is the king even while whispering to him.

Even random bystanders mistake him for king

[uneven epoch]

i think Bombastine knows a bit more than other peoples
or mb he's just noticed that Drifter doesnt belong to this world

[graceful zodiac]

I don't take the civilians as evidence given they kinda weren't even talking to Drifter in the first place, they were focused on Lodun

[cyan crest]

Uh, hello stalker

[uneven epoch]

i guess they are just blind

[cyan crest]

One does mention that the king didn't give them eyes

[uneven epoch]

btw, npcs in relays also don't have eyes
i dont think its connected, but who knows

[cyan crest]

Dominus kept referring to drifter as a knight, that's... Something I guess

[hollow radish]

I though, "The king didn't give us eyes" meant the one speaking and those nearby.

[cyan crest]

It's not that they don't have eyes, well, their model doesn't, but like they're concealed

[hollow radish]

Not the residents of Duviri as a whole.

[cyan crest]

I was just talking about that one guy I particular

Using them as a neutral cause I don't remember their gender

[uneven epoch]

in that case, it maybe was some kind of punishment

[uneven epoch]

but Teshin model has eyes

[cyan crest]

Oh yeah he does, but like he has that whole table over his head opposed to the weird expandex masks the syndicate people and the guards in relays wear

[uneven epoch]

sry, dont know english well and didnt get what you wanted to say

[cyan crest]

Filler relay npcs don't need to have eyes modeled under their skintight masks as opposed to Teshin, who has a larger and more intricate helmet, is an important character and was probably planned to have his helmet removed at some point anyway

And even with all that it's very weird that they modeled Teshin's eyes

[orchid remnant]

Once again proving that the helmet makes the person

[uneven epoch]

get it now, thx
didnt thought about it that way

[eager eagle]

Helmet maketh Tenno.

[balmy storm]

Wym drifter not belonging in that world? If Duviri is filled with Zariman survivors then Drifter would belong just as much as anyone else there
The hand however, does not belong

[cyan crest]

If it's filled with Zariman survivors

[uneven epoch]

to me, it looked like they simply dont mention Zariman in the background, like they cant see it
also their clothes doesnt look similar to chrysalith survivors

[eager eagle]

Did the devs say anything about how or why the Zariman is connected to Duviri?
I thought the Zariman was "split" in half with part of it being in the Void,not inside someone's kingdom. I mean, the king from Duviri that I forgot the name doesnt controll all the void right?

[balmy storm]

True, if
But it seems like it is, the Zariman is present, architecture seems to match up somewhat, plus that seems to be the angle they’re going for

[cyan crest]

Well I mean, you don't mention the moon every night because you already assume it's there
If it's being there for a long time them they wouldn't mention it

[final pebble]

if Dominus can warp reality to his whim, why not dress everyone in silly period getup?

[balmy storm]

They probably dont mention it cause they dont need to and their clothes are different because they’ve been surviving there for years, the Zariman ghosts are just wearing what they last wore

[cyan crest]

Dominus only seems to control Duviri

[cyan crest]

Also, "survivors"
Lol

[eager eagle]

So Duviri is not like , the "void dimension" where the Man on the Wall lives right?

[uneven epoch]

oh, yes, they are ghosts, sorry

[cyan crest]

It is in the void

[uneven epoch]

Man in the Wall is behind all of that, im sure

Man is the ruler of everything

[cyan crest]

Duviri is like a region of the void
Kinda like the Granum void

[cyan crest]

Allegedly

[uneven epoch]

granum void is more like another dimension
as the rift not being void, but between void and our world

[balmy storm]

The rift is something only Limbo controls iirc

[cyan crest]

I wouldn't say that actually, given how Parvs entered there through a void jump, and you can see that teal tinted void energy in the skybox, along with the Granum void's signature orange energy

[balmy storm]

I know its a misspelling but Parvs is a good nickname for Parvos

[wild wind]

The Granum Void is its own thing. I hadn't thought about comparing it to Duviri but I think Fog is onto something.

[rigid yoke]

Correct. It's like a pocket inside the actual dimension. Hes still there phisically but can barely interact

[cyan crest]

It was a nickname

[wild wind]

It is exactly the same kind of phenomenon

[balmy storm]

Nice

[balmy storm]

Like a ghost 👁️

[rigid yoke]

Both have time muckery going backwards too

[uneven epoch]

i think you still can touch limbo while he is in rift

[balmy storm]

They both have actual paradoxes

[balmy storm]

Then he’s just a really terrible ghost

[wild wind]

Well Duviri is caught in the timeloop because Dominus Thrax wants the day to repeat

While the Granum Void is Protea's one time power

....So actually yeah they're exactly the same

[balmy storm]

The sources of the time muckery is different but the concept is still the same

[rigid yoke]

Meh, you could think is due to Protea but she seems to have only started it. She dies. Her specter dies. Yet the Granuum void remains

[uneven epoch]

does he wants the day to repeat?

[balmy storm]

Dominus has a Protea of his own held hostage

[balmy storm]

Probably yes, if nothing changes nobody rebels

Well, nobody til now

[wild wind]

Yeah, once she laid it down nothing else was necessary to sustain it

[cyan crest]

He seems to be the one actively causing the loops

[rigid yoke]

Smashing that chair

[cyan crest]

Poor chair

[balmy storm]

The chair is made of protea

Bigbrain theory

[cyan crest]

Charea

[wild wind]

Because it "exists" by solidifying the moment that Parvos should have died in the ship's explosion

[rigid yoke]

I hate this

[cyan crest]

Or like chairea

[balmy storm]

yes

Chairea

I can’t wait to use transference to control a chair!

[eager eagle]

Prochaea

[uneven epoch]

he repeats only if we die
i guess if we survive the day, it will still repeat, but why? is there any need in that?

[balmy storm]

We’ll find out in december

[wild wind]

THIS CHAIR IS AN EYESORE. This chair this chair this chair...

[rigid yoke]

If it's an orokin chair, it will probably have flesh, therefore transference viable

[cyan crest]

He wants a story and he will loop until it goes his way

[balmy storm]

This chair is an eyesore
This chair is not an eyesore

[balmy storm]

Real

[wild wind]

I think it's already going his way, he's looping his "perfect day"

[balmy storm]

So let’s muck it up for him

[cyan crest]

But like he also loops it when it doesn't go his way

[wild wind]

Until Ballas ganked the Operator

[cyan crest]

Like when we die

[wild wind]

Oh for sure, he's trying to get the day back on track

[balmy storm]

Why should another long armed gold lover be in charge? Time for a revolution!!

[uneven epoch]

wheres the need to loop one day only then

[balmy storm]

Reduce changes

[wild wind]

But the starting point's changed thanks to Ballas

[balmy storm]

Plus we can find respawns now

[wild wind]

Oh geez what's the term... when you see something you make it a fact?

[balmy storm]

I wonder if the original Zariman survivors set up a time loop for some reason and Dominus ended up taking control of it

[wild wind]

It's a scifi time travel concept

[rigid yoke]

God, imagine explaining this to someone that doesn't play the game

[balmy storm]

Explaining paradoxes to most people is already confusing enough-

[wild wind]

"It's Alice in Wonderland meets Breath of the Wild but the blood moon respawns you".

[balmy storm]

“And also we have an upgraded elden ring horse”

[wild wind]

Maybe American McGee's Alice actually

Man I remember when I thought Duviri was going to be more space Western

[balmy storm]

Same

[wild wind]

Just last week x.x

[uneven epoch]

i tried explaining orokin lore to my mom

[balmy storm]

I thought it was gonna be a space western during tennocon when they showed off the music

[wild wind]

I wonder if that was changed during development

[rigid yoke]

"So this update is about the other version of me that didn't get rescued in the intergalactic accident, therefore didn't get the powers from Cthulus little brother so now she's in a timeless dimension playing a rogue like where you have to act a theater play for a child with one long arm, but you can trick the system by using your adoptive moms hand to respawn later on the day so you don't get crushed by a space worm, and she's also a machine with a personality disorder"

[uneven epoch]

i more liking the version without trees, but also liking the version with trees

[balmy storm]

“Also our samurai uncle died but he didnt and now he’s yoda”

[wild wind]

I just want to know how long the broader loop's been repeating. The one where the Drifter fails to escape.

[balmy storm]

I love the trees and all the foliage, Duviri pulling from fractals is a dream come true for me

[wild wind]

Teshin implies he's been here more than a few (hundred) times

[uneven epoch]

i guess about year or more

[wild wind]

Almost has to be more.

[balmy storm]

I’m wondering if the other side that’s helping the Drifter is the quills, I’m not 100% sure how they would get the hand but Drifter also has to get the fortuna knife they use in tnw from somewhere

[rigid yoke]

Yeah

[uneven epoch]

onkko has some very strange lines

100% sure he knows smth about future

[rigid yoke]

If you hear Onkkos lines you realize The new war was spoiled since his appearance in the game

We just didnt know

[wild wind]

Oh I kinda figured lol

[uneven epoch]

new war was spoiled since second dream

[rigid yoke]

wouldnt go that far. Nothing in second dream reveals tnw plot

[wild wind]

That'd make a lot of sense actually. I think it's the Operator though.

To complete the paradox, Operator needs to get Drifter out to save them

[uneven epoch]

there is always remains some questions, always

[balmy storm]

It’d be weird if it was the operator to me, but depending on what happens it could make total sense

[uneven epoch]

you mean onkko = operator from future?

[wild wind]

Operator: shoves Tigris into a hole

Also Operator: passes the Drifter the Stranger's Mask

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t work, my operator is female, onkko is clearly a dude

[rigid yoke]

What confuses me about that video is that the guy has somatics

[uneven epoch]

yes, its very confusing

[balmy storm]

I think any sequences where we see our operator in Duviri is just Drifter’s memory, not the actual Operator

[rigid yoke]

So either he aint Drifter or DE just made me think they are operator exclusive by making them, well, operator exclusive in game

[wild wind]

They always did say they wanted to match Operator and Drifter cosmetics

[uneven epoch]

since we didnt get any void powers

[wild wind]

It'll happen eventually

[rigid yoke]

But why Somatics, out of everything, was left out

[cyan crest]

But it's clearly the drifter in New trailers and he still has somatics

[rigid yoke]

Like, everything else that wasnt clothing was ported

[balmy storm]

Do somatics even make sense on the drifter pre-tnw?

[uneven epoch]

it is his memories form future

[wild wind]

Trailer Drifter also has a beard.

[rigid yoke]

It would make a lot of sense if thats the drifter. Its not confirmed tho. I do think it is

[balmy storm]

That doesnt make sense

[wild wind]

It's 100% the Drifter lol

[uneven epoch]

its paradox, ofc it doesnt

[rigid yoke]

You have to admit that them showing an adult for it to not be the drifter would be a classic DE move

[wild wind]

DE would never flashback to New War cinematic trailer
...
DE would totally do that.

But this time they didn't, at least. <.<

[rigid yoke]

hahaha

[cunning copper]

One thing confused me about Duviri thiugh

[uneven epoch]

by the way, what is that goant mask and arms floating on the air?
arms have same length tho

[rigid yoke]

only one?

[cunning copper]

They usually use a female operator for the stand-in, why did it suddenly change for Duviri?

[wild wind]

People who wanted to kill thr Lotus should have known it was bait, the NW trailer Operator was successfully killing people with normal void beam

[wild wind]

They've actually gone back and forth a bunch

[rigid yoke]

They have a few Tennos for their cannon, wasnt always the girl

they used the guy because its the one they used in the duviri trailer back in 2019

[uneven epoch]

its the haiden guy

[wild wind]

It is, by accident lol

[rigid yoke]

Yep. Unintenionally tho

[uneven epoch]

he is brutal

[cunning copper]

I do not believe that at all

[wild wind]

LOL I can see why.

[rigid yoke]

Its different enough to believe it was unintentional

[uneven epoch]

and the girl one is for more psychological quests

i guess

[wild wind]

They talked about the process of designing the trailer Drifter during a devstream, and mentioned that when someone pointed out the similarities to Hayden Tenno they considered scrapping the design

[cunning copper]

Looks like an older Hayden

[rigid yoke]

Kinda looks like Hayden with 10 more years on his shoulders

[wild wind]

It does, it's great

[cyan crest]

Confirmed to be unintentional tho

[wild wind]

Man now I wonder what Dark Sector og would have been like.

[cunning copper]

They should just try to get the full rights to DS and embrace it

[uneven epoch]

i didnt played dark sector, but i always thought he had beard

[wild wind]

How many of these ideas have been waiting to come out since the mid-2000s

[rigid yoke]

He has a freshly shaven one. Can see the shadow in game but barely

Also, fun game. A bit janky at times but its some easy fun

[wild wind]

Like, the Zariman we know was from DS

[cunning copper]

The original idea for dark sector, yes

[cyan crest]

It was a grineer ship then

[cunning copper]

So are the mechanics for using a glaive and a sidearm

[cyan crest]

Wasn't it?

[wild wind]

That's what I mean yeah. Not the cover shooter

[uneven epoch]

nope, he sabotaged grineer ship near zariman

[wild wind]

Don't think so, the one promo trailer had a Grineer Galleon

[cyan crest]

Oh yeah it was something like that yeah

[wild wind]

We've never actually heard what the proto-DS Zariman was

Just seen the design

[cyan crest]

But at least we know it existed

[rigid yoke]

for reference

[cunning copper]

Corpus and Grineer were one faction back then

[wild wind]

Kinda wonder if proto-DS would have been about launching the Zariman expedition

[cunning copper]

One was security, the other was technicians

[wild wind]

Or equivalent

[cyan crest]

Yeah the grineer had the jackal

[uneven epoch]

before angels of zariman i thought it was sideways city

[rigid yoke]

the funniest thing tho

Stalker is a human sized reptile

[cyan crest]

Lol

[uneven epoch]

no way

[wild wind]

Oh huh I could see that. The Liset design matches the Zariman's look here.

[uneven epoch]

don't say that

[rigid yoke]

Welcome to DS Stalker

[wild wind]

Heh.

[cunning copper]

Still more intimidating than the one we got

[wild wind]

Didn't they turn that one into Chroma's Drac helmet

[uneven epoch]

omg, YES
they have similar strange-stick-thngs-on-sides!

[rigid yoke]

Yep

In fact, that Stalkers lesser versions were this, and called Chroma

You can cosplay this thing with chromas immortal skin + drac helmet

[wild wind]

Lol god that means that OG Stalker was the OG Infestation

[cunning copper]

Warframes were actual body armor, not a meat puppet

[wild wind]

Right I remember

[rigid yoke]

Also, DS Zealoid Prelate equivalent. The stinger

[uneven epoch]

ohh o remembered ds frost concept

[rigid yoke]

i love DS callbacks

[cunning copper]

Don't you mean Nemesis?

[wild wind]

Good grief they really did have a bunch of recent content banked

[rigid yoke]

Nah. That was Proto-Nyx

[cunning copper]

The funniest thing about dS was that Nemesis was Hayden's crazy ex

[wild wind]

Right, the one controlled by Hayden's sister in DS actual

[rigid yoke]

Something i never hear mentioned too is that the ally faction is literally called Lotus and uses this symbol

[wild wind]

Oh yeah totally

[cunning copper]

That's mentioned all the time though

[rigid yoke]

Guess im just not present then

[wild wind]

In early Warframe concepts the Lotus was an organization and "the Lotus" was our... operator.

[rigid yoke]

When that sword. I love it

[wild wind]

In the "ops overwatch" sense.

[uneven epoch]

aeolak and its normal version

[rigid yoke]

Also Aeolak Prime (that was Aeolak, right?)

[wild wind]

It's actually already in game