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Well yeah but if it was once a person I wouldn't call it a job
More of a title to me tbh
Since it's not a person anymore
Didn't they use kuva then?
Anyway, it's status as a puppet certainly takes away the possibility of it being a cult leader
Mmm?
No, kuva is not tasty, don't drink it
Maybe a consciousness is inside the Something on it's head who's been forcibly transferred?
Mmm
Mmmmm
Stop drinking the kuva
Depends on if you can continuity yourself into an inanimate object
is that a fallen orokin tower?
Looks more like a sattelite or something to me. Which archwing is that?
it was a skin over amesha. From baro
its big and screen intrusive... if that helps lol
Baro seems to be planning to go ham on bringing leverian related stuff
Looks corpus
And orokin in some parts
Uh
The answer is yes
Yes to something
Idk to what
gotta be Orokin, looks exactly like the abandoned derlicts in RJ
Exo-sac Archwing Skin
Thank you for your ever convenient screenshots, dunno how you always have the right one
I totally don't google everything lol

just read the lore blurb on the exo-sac... kinda dont want to use it now lol... Thats the executor from grendel's lore?
Yup
euuuuuyuck
At least it's not actually the same levitators he used
I kinda wish Grendel just had an eating competition with that guy that ended with him eating him
excal vs raiden was pointless
i wanna see eating contest of grendel vs pac man
Yep, grendel guy
They adding a lot of leverian cosmetics, aren't they
if a jetpack doesn't have at least six extra stomachs attached what's even the point
MY DUNE
Executor Karishh, based on what little we know of him, was basically Baron Harkonnen, right?
I mean we see inside it and it's full of Orokin gold and meta
I know you can go inside 1
In the Vallis
Cuz a Somacord can spawn in it.
Also you can see some of them on the edges of the map.
Mixed with some extra body horror, yeah.
It's implied Grendel did so anyway, I think.
Is plains of duviri operator only
we'll find out tomorrow
might wanna ask that when it exists ๐
yeah probably
Yeah I meant drifter sorry
but yeah i'm with you there
Seems so
...Huh. It looks more bronze than I was expecting, kinda. I knew we'd only seen a desaturated version before, I guess I don't know what color scheme I was actually expecting.
...No wait. There was the artstation model too, I think.
Either way, I have to wonder if the horse is going to have some sort of use that the k-drive doesn't. Like melee weapons, primary weapons, or something.
It matches the color scheme of all the 2 Dax that we've seen so it makes sense to be bronze.
The scheme is identical to what we've encountered with Aeolak and Hespar. Both are great representations of Duviri-Orokin(?) design; there's a few concepts featuring the pre-Void-muddied designs out there.
the concept art from that tennocon showed it pretty well
Yes.
Huh, you do have a point there. It does share a similar... Kinda verdigris coated bronze look.
I also really need to work on the aeolak/hespar, and a few primes besides.
I did cook up an Incarnon/Angel-ish themed Rhino Palatine setup earlier.
This is legit and i can't wait to be able to do this
i imagine the horse will only be rideable during one small section in the quest
just like those orokin worms during war within
if drifter gameplay is a focus they'll probably be how you get around duviri without your vehicles
I hope that K-Drive is an option as movement too if horses need to be unlocked. To make it easier since I'm not a fan of Blink pads
I can imagine the tennocon team all together going "crossplay and crossave will be released-" followed by a fade to black and then "wake up tenno"
Archwing using main weapon in k-drive you using secondary weapon but on horse we will use amp and maybe melee ๐
ok operators exercising
First we would need someone to train with
Captian Vor with his MIGHTY SEER is the perfect training partner
To bad grandpa Teshin is dead wouldโve made a great coach
Your talking about a guy who has actually chicken legs
conclave was the og training camp
It sucks now, I only want to get some standing so I can say I got max and no one plays
doesnt matter. the power of the MIGHTY SEER brings him to absurd power levels
But if we can make the operator fit I think then it could open the world of op melee.
they can already shield gate, they strong enuff
Honestly, if melee ever comes to ops, I would like an ability like Bonewidow's Firing Line. Void slap everyone in place.
naramon's....lifted status?
No, I mean everything pulled together in line in front of you.
Imagine if drifter has the jump attack from the hunter in L4D2.
How goofy it would be ๐ญ ?
i think they need to replace Drifter movment animation to be little better then what we have his running is so strange to look at... also standing animation i wish that they add on Drifter but somethinh different then what we have on operator
also stealt mod if its back like what we got in new war then becouse we dont have frame i wish something special for that to come back for him
Mod on drifter but it allow ability so you can change (with 4 mod slot limit For ability ?)
So it allow a real modding system,allowing you to change anything to your convenience.
Tbh i would like it but i'm sure they won't disapoint
i've just noticed that it's 12 pm/12:30 pm ?
30 minute countdown/setup
before the show begins
i mean : they messed up the time ?
it shouldn't be AM ?
ohh i forgot ๐ญ i should sleep more
yes
oh yeah thx you
Wait
So in theory you can get the drops during the countdown
The warfan at least
someone already got a riven for the warfan before its available
Well its technically in game
Imagine when we seen tennolive and with all this hype that we have we probably going to be disappointed in something
But im hope im not right ๐
It would be like what drifter cant use melee we continue with stupid pistol but cool enemies are wih some cool nikanas,then horse is not a ride but ability that we can use for some time. Map is empty and so on and so onโฆsomething like that ๐
Lunaro 2
Ahahaha
i remember this ๐
Lunaro 2 is already in the zariman
ok so conclave 2 then?
Joke aside but I would really hate that we are stuck with just amps in that world
Why do people just assume we can't use frames again?
why? would be extremly funny mabie we not gonna use amps did you saw trailer he drew shot gun so mabie we gonna get weapons on Operator
From old trailer that they combine for trailer effect but new part that is in that same video is drifter on horse with his amp pistol on
That would be a big disappointment for me
Amp no longer a shotgun. In order to use amp you need power so maybe we have power and we donโt need other regular weapons to use. So we probably going to stuck with amps and that would be weary bad if thatโs the case
At least im hoping for new face types hairstyles and beards so that i can use this face and make to look like me even more ๐
Reiendly reminder that we were stuck with drifter in New war, but it was only for the second act
The operator only thing, if true, could potentially only be for the quest and not the open world
what if i punch that orokin Fella so hard in the gut that duviri paradox break ? ๐ค
Listen, you're out of line but maybe that might work. 
i just live as an orokin hater
The only clue about teshin is that there is a duviri one and his swords ?
Where did he go ๐ญ ?
Only thing we know for sure about teshin is he died
unless he didnt die and he fell in with us
Has anyone compared Teshinโs swords to the ones we see by the duviri door btw?
Tennocon starts in 4h?
2.5h
Less than 3
When will cross save come they said today right?
2.5y maybe? lol
Uh
No they didn't say today
Oh damn bro
A date is to be given this year
We don't know what will also be revealed t Tennocon. So who knows if they're going to show off cross play/progression some more. We know it's confirmed, and was semi-working on their internal testing during a development stream. So maybe they'll surprise us with a date,.
Fk im at work so i will miss something probably some drops
Yeah
I'm semi expecting some original gear limiting gimmick for the open world but I don't expect no frames at all
Maybe more mechanics encouraging use of the operator like in the zariman
If anything like that is added, expect it to be tied to the day night cycle imo
You can only use the respective equinox form depending on cycle
No other frames, just half of equinox
Lol
But honestly i think the day night cycle will be shorter cycles cycling through different "planes"
Like it gets more and less void-corrupted depending on time of day
I expect it to be the color scheme that signifies it
Like, when it's on one cycle it's normal colors, when it's on another everything is black and white
Goes from looking like PoE to full on fractal terrain
Did some of you got the mask?
12:30 is when it starts becoming available.
noon at the earliest off the top of my head
how to get twitch code
For signup, or?..
co stream code
^ that
ready to see if theres a duviri reveal?
There's going to be, yes
yeap with the dude sitting over them thats a guarantee
warframe comeback?
Come back? I never left
"You've already seen this visage. You've never seen this visage" (surely a mistranslation bcz my game is in French)
Is this eternalism thing ? Or a paradox ?
no, thats how it is
wdym ?
Ye
and this seems to be a familiar stranger
maybe we will join the memories of the drifters/operator in this update ๐ค
Yeah it is a reference to how Drifter has seen it but Operator hasn't
And since they're both you, you have seen it, you've never seen it
that will be interesting ๐ฎ
Did the update drop yet?
nah
Update?
Too soon to ask for the duviri update there bud
Exactly
I mean there's a chance they drop it tonight
A 1 in a million chance but a chance nonetheless
Oh boy, confirmation that the form is constructed, not a natural look
Also
I mean it would be too much of a coincidence that something totally alien looked like a da Vinci drawing tbf
OK so that's where the Thrax come from
Maybe. Depends on whether they stick with that name
Oh, suggesting the Zariman made Duviri?\
i'm thinking that the day night cycle of duviri will flip the land scape and look at the bottom half of what we saw.
thought and panic made real?
Given how we're getting a teaser later I'd be really surprised if they changed it
Like, how much did they change the new war parts they showed in last tennocon? The actual parts, the gameplay and that
And like names
There's a difference between art concepts and names
considering we didn't have any names before really
Thing is, that seems like it could potentially be his actual name
It could, which is why it depends
If they call him that in the teaser later then it's probably staying
sarah confirmed in the tennocon chat that dominus is the masked dudes name so Im taking it as a confirmation of the final name
Then there it is
Mmm, that explains why they're old school grineer
Orokin seem to still be around in duvduv
Now if they connect to the Thrax we know
I guess the Dax will also be Thrax? So many questions
Welsh Archon 
OK that island looks too cool
We're visiting it tonight, it'll be cool to see it in 3d
And there's statue man
I heard we getting a Wolf based Warframe
Yes
What's the name of the Wolf Boy?
*Wolf Girl
And they confirmed its not the next one
when we can go to paradox relay?
in about 33 minutes
at 5 pm
ok tnx
no name yet just some concepts done together with joe mad
and the info that its not the next warframe
Drifter_Chad
zariman pointing backwards
Dang it's not the next warframe?
apparently not well we only saw conccepts so it makes sense
Fair but also sad
might be your christmas present this year
yoo the skull is here
The underside is a giant face
there's a "sun"
How did it got here ๐ค
Winter this year
wtf is DE up to?!
yooo i found myself 
i feel dead inside
So Soulframe is a new game?
looks like i whose right operator will get melee ๐
correct
is there a officail site for soulframe?
i just got a loading screen with nothing there
yea add a .com behind it
if there is its overloaded right now considering the other chat
hmm
loading and nothing
if that game is similar to paradox that we seen then im supporting this game 100%
soulframe sound interesting
Hmm will it be for all platforms?
Okay so is soulframe connected to the warframe universe?
It looks like an alt timeline/prequel to me
Bruh the chat was joking when they saw the flying horse and called it soulframe and minutes later the absolute madmen The DE is made a whole game called just that
unlikely
Soulframe is maybe like old version from a warframe universe
Concept artist working really hard on a character
Nuke them with a flying hand
I've heard a couple people of people saying this is set in the orokin era and that the mc might be pre frame barukk
Might be a universe type deal like they exist but no connection to each other
they would be speaking from they bums because the orokin era soldiers did not look like that
we know what dax look like
I'd be completely fine with that
it'd only make sense if they mean like waaaay back before the orokin ascended
Hmm maybe even pre orokin era?
It literally can't be
if they can throw out eternalism and presentism, its likely that pre-orokin era is just our normal earth
Like how dark soul is demon soul's spiritual successor of sort. So this might be spiritial predecessor of warframe
I don't see why not
Yeah but i doubt magic exist before the void (well discovering it)
This is Warframe multiverse of madness type beat thing
Because Lotus hand is what kicks it all off
The quest literally cannot be anytime before the beginning of New War
There appears to some void like magic in the trailer so maybe it was void before void was officially discovered
nonono theyre talking about soulsframe
They gave us back Teshin, only to take away Steve.. XD
not the duviri quest
i feel like you're crossing wires yh
Ah, if it's soulframe, then...it still can't be
doesn't the void break of any natural rule that exist, that's why it's a paradox that was made by dominus thrax ?
Maybe it can also break time ๐ค ? so that's why they said that it can be played pre-new war ?
did some 1 got something from duviri relay?
Also lets hope this games lives to see through the light of the day and not die like that pvp game DE were making
a sassy orokin looking dude
it looks from the trailer like a lot of times already gone into it so it prolly has a better chasnce
i whose expecting he will give us sometginf
Most of my predictions basically came true and I'm still completely taken aback... how the Little Duck did DE outperform 2021 tennocon
but insted kick from game ๐ and that it
The man in the trailer is looks sm like barruk
his sass would be funny tbh
Also I am betting here that sword is basically called excalibur
I wonder what will happends in veilbreaker, what happened to Erra for example ๐ค ?
Beans
a question we still need to answer is why the zariman is pointing in the wrong direction, me thinks it has something to do with that mirror mechanic
That might be still far for us as they did say this is after duviri
uh no lol
It's pre-New War events anyway. It's Drifter's backstory before New War.
No, Veilbreaker is coming before Duviri Paradox
they said they're aiming for veilbreaker first
Wut
They said that it could be after duviri
probably a sept -october target but they know it might drift
true yes, but methinks the zariman wont be rotating even when the timeline catches up to present day
How else would Drifter come to Operator's universe?
Also that stab scene reminiscent of paracesis... aaaaaaaaaaa
Beans
I am already seeing a blinding white pegasus skin for the horse
Wait,doesn't that quest mean that it's while the new war ๐ค ?
Like you should be doing those simultaneously to really understand what is happening
yes yes yes, but what Im suggesting (which I have since the previous duviri trailer) is that drifter enters via the mirrorman-10-0
so there must be one guy on this earth that will play TNW and duviri paradox at the same time ๐ญ
Why is it a paradox if the drifter is an alt timeline operator
Veilbreaker concept, Drifter showing up at Awakening location, Drifter's relationship with Lotus and Teshin related stuff both being covered in Duviri...
I CALLED IT!
Completely wrong about soulframe tho. But at least it explains why they randomly hired so many people out of nowhere
dont go into gen chat, folks there think DE is abandoning warframe because of soulframe despite DE hiring a ton of new folk
Man you just killed my high...
Well they did but still
Veilbreaker seems to focus a lot more on archon (and also naarmer ?) and kahl (let's hope there will be another veso ?)
It's interesting what they will bring to the table ๐ฎ
I don't remember the last time I felt like I do right now. Like even when my work got accepted to be published in a journal, and that was all I wanted for 2 years
lmao what? i think they far showed that atleast for the next year there's plenty, especially when you consider the number of non tennocon announced things we usually get lol
critical thinking isnt a strong suit for some
it can always come back like old teshin
like i just think of how stuff like Angels was preety major lore and gameplay wise and never on the tennocon, and the4n i think of the many other things lol, they actively talk abouit it being live service and it's future, i think it's more just steve's had his heart on the game for 10 years, that's a long time to tell a story you've got, even if it's one you'rer passionate on, he wants new blood to continue it so he can pursue other stories, which is like, how art works, doesnt mean he is abandoning WF, just meand DE is big and stable enough and trusts him enough to take a risk on him
and hes handing over to someone who's worked very closely with him the entire time, not to mention theyre still going to be in the same office
Oh so Steve is moving on to Soulframe maybe?
yep, handed over creative director to reb
exactly, he's probably had looong talks about what he'd like WF to do and had to spend a long time coming to terms with trusting Reb to take over his baby, you dont hand a baby to a babykiller
I've just noticed that the guy who was going to execute drifter is using incarnon mode.
Dude didn't need to kill other people to get his incarnon.
there's open letters in the announcements thing on it
I can activate one of the incarnon melee's without hitting anyone using the right evos and mods
interesting too cus those weapons were originally only decorative while this is in the void where'd they get them lol
wait,
He didn't incarnon a weapon, he seems to have changed whatever he was holding to a incarnon weapon lol.
Unless that dude can incarnon everything ๐ค
there was that line from the heccin theatre person about holding out a hand and manifesting what you want or smthn
so
This Tennocon was crazy; but I'm happy with what we've seen and got:
-Khora P right now of all times
-Narmer content and more Kahl-175 comint pre-Duviri
-A followup on what happened to Erra
-A Paradox most profound (bet: Dominus Thrax is another timeline version of Operator given how their voice changes)
-Teshin except he's now a wizard (looks like your typical fantasy mage as well; wonder if he still has his Orvius on him?)
-Named Tubicifluid, nickname of the unit type being 'dragons'.
Common duviri's citizen : make everything out of nowhere
"It exists, we do not ask how, we do not ask why. It just is."
I understand why it can be considered as a paradise and why Dominus thrax doesn't understand why the drifter want to leave
finally, they added manifesting to WF ๐
Yes. Welcome to Lohk.
so the Thrax can be a Faction by itself. I wonder if it's on Wally's side or themselves. Tbh that's interesting that we don't have anything with Wally in this plane
Dominus Thrax must have/had/could_have/once_held/ absolute control over the region.
Dominus means something after all
Yes.
OK but everyone who said that duviri looked bland and plain owes me 20 dollars
wait what if the new naarmer aren't controlled by Ballas but Erra now ๐ค .
We know that he created those archons but what if he made himself an archon once he saw that he got too much damage on itself ? With how he could resist those void laser,maybe being crushed doesn't mean much and he still need to "save" his sister.
Erra's gone Archon(?) though if the new Archon visual is to be of merit.
Narmer's leader must be someone/something else.
true,but only erra know how to make an archon ๐ค (i think ?)
Erra is "dead" and back as an archon, and ballas is also dead. But someone is still pulling the strings
i think narmer either has no leader and things like the veils are essentially self sustaining it or someone like pavos we've already met will turn out to be causing it
Everyone was saying that no one is controlling the naarmer... Even when konzu was confirming that someone must be pulling the string because it's anormal on how much people are getting the veil despite years that have passed and it must be really known by now that the veil is very dangerous
I thought Dominus Thrax would have a deeper voice and be more mature but he sounds like the spoiled rotten child of Ballas.
Tbh that kinda fit, and i personally like it lol
Could be anyone, but my high-bets are on Corrupted Vor for intentions we didn't know about, or a new character - like Dominus Thrax (or a version of them that did escape).
Dominus Thrax's voice to me fluctuates between various tones. As if the person behind the mask isn't 'entire' per se.
thing is tho if there's narmer troops surely they'd be putting them on more regardless of the danger
Tbh i doubt it's Dominus thrax but someone else that is hiding for the moment.
It may be a clue by playing the veilbreaker ๐ค ? I mean,if we're going to fight naarmer and archon... Then maybe there is something ?
gotta say aswell I love the theatre aesthetic they're using for duviri, partly cus im a theater nerd but also cause it's perfect for the like completely figurative magic thing, theatre is an abstraction, this whole realm exists in one
Can soleone refresh me on who is dominus thrax? And why him now?
Bruh if perghasa was faking her death and was still conscious and controlling the veil now lol ๐ญ
I mean she would be the only one that has literally erra on her
New fella, we know nothing except hes annoying
If anything could hunhow have taken over narmer
Dominus Thrax is the masked dude in Duviri.
Think spoiled rotten teenage Ballas.
The whole realm is essentially a sandbox/theatre for Dominus Thrax.
hunhow was kinda grossed out by erra's involvement tho idk if he'd approve of using orokin tech at all
Wait is the Duviri paradox after new war
Before, yet after.
It seems to be While the new war
You will be able to play it before doing new war
In true paradox fashion, it is before, after, and during the new war.
They said yes and no dur to the paradox theme
Event-wise appear to be concurrent with new war
Wait so we going back in time now?
no yeah, it's amazing, it's a perfect symbolism especially in the paralells of like drifter who's like the one person in the play who wasn't at the dress rehearsal
I think that you need to logically play simultaneously the new war and the duviri paradox ๐ค
So you can go to the zariman and met yourself
The quest will happen between Part 1 and Part 2 of New War\
They said you don't need to complete new war to get some entries to the paradox IIRC
It's just the bridge for the time gap
No. Yes.
With tandem-post being Veilbreaker.
from what they said about duviri it's timeline stretches or spaghettis around everything else, i dont think you can put it on the timeline neatly and that's the point
Somehow the other side of the new war story I guess?
Timeline-wise, Duviri Paradox is firmly in the middle of New War
And also isn't.
Explaining what happened between Part 1 and Part 2
I wonder if Dominus made that deal with TMITW
Both may be true
Yes. No. Likely, since we see no Man-in-Wall meddling in their sandbox/playpen.
considering aswell DE's expression of time this is fitting cause it's all time iand all things happening all at once, you can't fit it on a timeline cause in the void, there is no line
Oh he's there lurking. They clearly avoided to mention him
Maybe the void is playing and want to see multiple people controlling it ?
Idk if this is possible ๐ค
It is its own non-euclidian shape.
Wally would be the reason the hand got to Duviri considering it's another timeline
i think dominus just wants entertainment at the expense of us, he seems to almost be a part of the ressurections when you die, he's enjoying this. fits the theatre aesthetic too, you're his new jester
Did someone clipped the 4 frames in the veilbreaker reveal?
Bruh why does teshin look like a wizard now
But what does he earn from that?
if you're right then wally just want to mess with everyone.
Even a lesser powerful being like Dominus thrax ๐ค ? Is he saving everyone or just looking at something ?
is anyone intrested in talking about a piece of unknown script
He looks irritated each time the drifter dies
i found
entertainment. we're a toy or a jester to him, which fits the visual style of the thing
infact in that regard dominus and what we know of Wally are very similar 
He seems irritated that we want to escape, not die i think ?
Is it the orokin script in the loading screens ?
no
an image i found in the source code on soulframes website (assuming it doesn't work for anyone else either)
It looks more like he wants the drifter to die the way he decided or I had that feeling
It's a Paradox
Bcz it's funny
So no
the more i think on this the more im wondering if this is just another manifestation of Wally or atleast influenced by him, they have the power to ressurect and they love seeing us struggle, but let us go, very Wally
Good point
This is literally what void power give to everyone it seems...
Except us ? ๐ค
If we ever get to play Teshin in this, my bet is he would have Sirocco and (a damaged?) Orvius, and then interact with Drifter again - maybe even escaping with Drifter but being displaced into a post-War timeframe where we rendezvous with him.
But he was human and despited the dax form outside that was also solehow him
i mean powers wise yeah, but normally we cant ressurect other things, or control the world and timeline like he can, plus i mean in character's actions it's very similar
'solehow'? Confusion grips this mind.
both have glowing eyes too, and it'd explain the mask, the mask would be to hide that they have our face
The madness is a common point in all void touched, except the tennos
Somehow sry
im not talking madness, im talking the specific enjoyment of our suffering, then ressurecting us to make us suffer again
Not rezzing us, rewinding actual time.
well, yeah
Chains of harrow boss Flashback
You know when we "drown" inside the void and it rez us to the start of the fight
Yeah. Or War Within. Ravenous Golden Maw.
Duviri should have a bunch of those.
but either way what im saying is there's a lot that'd click into place for Dominus to be wally behind that mask, enjoying a reality where he can make our adult form suffer and rule over a ton of orokin or fake orokin, it's a world made and his theatre of the absurd, to have fun in. not sure I buy it's 100% what's going on but i think it's a theory that definitely has legs considering the character similarities and the visual similarities
Can you post it?
What visual similarities? Wally only ever constructs a form for himself
now i wonder one thing :
What idea could they bring for veso's type of gameplay ๐ค If i remember correctly most of the corpus's ship got exploded so i think it would be hard to allow corpus's robot to be here ?
the script here is nothing like what i've seen in warframe so far
I don't think we'll be getting his tyle at all
That would be sad tbh,i hope there's a way
Oh, maybe it will contain some lore links to Warframe?
could be im still trying to decipher the text
i said a bit before, i was saying stuff like the glowing eyes and the small form, the mask would also be perfect to hide a face and we've seen it on our face and the operator specters in duviri
Thank you, Iยดm rather dumb with ciphers lol
can i post the cipher solution here? or you guys want to solve it?
Spoiler mark it i would say
Wally's eyes are different from what Dominus Thrax had. And we can't say much about a small form cause Wally takes any shape he wants
he doesnt take any form, he takes ours. every time.
The solution
Hey kiddo flashbacks
It can be โdeadโ language, maybe translation will link to Warframe
Veso's gameplay would have to adjust a bit but I feel it'd be identical to what he had before. Would like to see him and Veso get to use other weapons though.
thank you
Personally i love his gameplay but wow he was hard to maneuver.
And i think it's normal that they have enormous problem with veso as it will need pathfinding for his robots and other thing
Literal Wall was more based on Albrecht.
Because he only interacts with us nowadays. We know he can take any form because he also copies Albrecht when they made (Plus DE confirming the giant block we see at the end of New War is also a constructed look)
Thanks
oh yeah how did you manage to get this image
Corpus moment.
And yeah - unless there was minor 'remote control' aspects where he controls his proxies directly.
i mean i'd argue that'd still fit him mirroring the operator when my theory centers the drifter as part of why he's doing it lol
The page loaded for me once
ohhh
D. Thrax could also be another instance of the Operator. It could explain our King status, the mask, and why he doesn't want us to leave.
hi
That's even less likely
Now that you mention albretch...
I wonder what if his expeditions went also somehow to duviri ๐ค ? Because maybe Dominus thrax is very old ?
and like aside from the wall which i think is a whole separate discussion of what it is wally does always mirror whoever it is
every time i try to load it its just a blank screen
seems a lil cheap to put an evil us in when wally is an established char tho
They're not necessarily 'evil', more like their perspective had narrowed.
Besides, we were only called King because he need us to play the part
from the perspective of a player it's still kinda cheap imo
Main site of Soulframe
wally or a new char makes more sense than the "im you but darker" angle
do you know if anyones cracked it yet?
I cracked it
Just look some messages above
don't tell me that every DE's future game will be * word *+frame ๐
The initial cypher isnt hard, its the long paragraph after it
No, we have just this...but we have a few letters at least
I wonder what the inhabitants of the Duviri plains are? Are they surviving Orokin descendants, Zariman survivors that got stuck in the void somehow or perhaps just void echoes similar to the holdfasts that are mimicking the Orokin?
every future DE game won't not be word +frame
mechaframe
Steveframe.
If DE did go that way, the _frame title(s) deserve some semblance of even backend lore connections and implications for how their narratives have funny little things that intraconnect them.
At worst, some callbacks - like with the Dark Sector skins.
fleshframe
howd you get it?
that would be really funny tbh
Yes. To all variables.
Thatยดs not it I got something else
I still can't get on the site ๐ญ
As far as we know soulframe is an origin story for someone that has the same arm as the king of Duviri.
It's very thematic for it to be soulframr.
There's a hint in the page... and the cipher is very easy to crack using the letters from the hint
Calling it; after we knock off Dominus Thrax, he gets lost and goes on a developmental journey in an unrelated universe.
Wall-man lets us watch with him because it's fascinating.
That's way too interesting now.
Maybe magic really exist in this game outside of the void ๐ค or maybe it's the void ?
What did you get?
It's not the same arm, no. Soulframe is much more chonky
This?
Maybe he upgraded it as he got older?
Dominus' arm is also longer iirc
Yeah, more Orokin-y.
The blue arm is definitely a theme though.
They aren't the same :
Dominus has no letter marking on his hand
Soulframe's protagonist has a very humane arm
Indeed
Very interesting
And next code
Oh, that's the same solution...
I was starting to think there was more than one cipher
Now we need to decipher the rest of the text
But I had a black symbols
The page was not loading properly for everyone
I pushed buttons until I had black text
sign up button isnt working ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Probably very high traffic
oh, it went trough now ๐
Keep trying
It will work eventually
where is this site
|| "The Sxxexxxe"
"xxxxshed"
"Oxexxxx" ||
X
Obvious substitution cypher, but that's the obvious bits.
the first one is "the sxnexxxe"
Thank you, maybe there will be more
we got the n
Oh, I missed the "envoys of" translation bit lol
so also xxnxshed
||the sxnexxxe
xxnxshed
oxenxxx||
||And Alca's Eye is some sort of item ||
i think that is to save username when the game comes out
They said something of crossave and crossplay?
Soon and sooner
"It's in the works. Cross-platform is coming"
Xplay stress testing soon, xsave once xplay is good to deploy
^
That some ugly momma
Reminds me of those ancient mesopotamian clay figures of fertility or something
Yeah
Wait until You check Your email
Alca's Eye seems to be an item of some sort based on how they talk about it.
All possible glyphs
I really hope it will have some lore chain to Warframe
yeah im still working on translating that to english
nice!
How many time to launch the Xsave and Xplay
I don't mind some spiritual cameos but I hope it will stay seperate from Warframe
Atleast a little, DE 
Everytime you use a letter, delete it from a letterline, then work out word patterning.
i've got like half the letters down
||the sinexxxe
banished
oxenxax||
Why? It can be past or future, or other reality
Oh god
last one seems off. Second letter isn't "i"
man, i can't even get it to accept my email address/signup ๐
Iยดm really lucky
I think I'd rather have a game that is tangentially linked. But not directly. Like if this ended up being the far distant past in Warframe or something
DE have publicly stated this Tennocon they are:
-Running a 'family and friends' test of phone-version of Warframe
-About to run a public stress test of crossplay sometime soon, once all the different vendors have been aligned like the stars (all vendors will have shared inventory regardless of platform, a first step)
-Expect another Eyes of Blight event or Relay restoration events in the meantime.
-After crossplay is stable, crosssave will follow.
My words
oh yeah
Because Steve and the other people that are setting out to create this game wants to do something different therefor I don't think it should be connected to Warframe in any major way
Likely an "m" though if you follow word patterning.
He said he wants to make a fantasy
Like void powers through a different lens? Probably would be a lot more fantasy looking.
Now we wait for the site to load that my email confirmed
Oh, I got an email...
I'd bet on moments
It's a name potentially. Based off words, but not specifically a real word.
I did too, I followed the thing in the email
I got my email too but goodluck trying to verify ๐คฃ
Waiting on that
Just getting a gateway timeout for verifying
Well, I think I will finally run of the luck lol
Hows the soulsframe ARG going?
Give them some time, servers are busy or dead right now
Oh, I know, just antsy bc I wanna know I get my damn name, lol
So so much news in one day, aaaaaa
I can imagine Dax-styled armour and a Nikana being some of the references DE could fit into Soulframe.
Sounds about right
just keep refreshing, i got my emails verified by refreshing it like 6 times
for real
im sure there will be a weapon skin or two in warframe
Maybe even something about Oro. Would be a funny nod.
my head ahhh
Soโฆ soulsframe arg?
Wdym?
Perhaps some Drifter cosmetics with the neat medieval robot arm
The website is designed to be a puzzle yeah.
Has anyone figured any of it out yet?
The games should stay separate. Not everything needs to be a reference
It went through and said it was unable to confirm my email, so I'm trying to follow the email again
My email is missing the verify button xD
the site is having problems
I mean... they literally called it Soulframe so I doubt it's going to be completely separate.
Ik
Yeah my Confirmation Email is also missing the Button
That wouldnโt work? Only 6 letter inputs with what im looking at
i have solved the first row of that script
are you talking about the first code?
Yeah
when i tried to confirm
just write out ode sky with the letters they gave you from "envoys of"
But you had a button in the Email ?
Well, Warframe is Steveยดs child, so I think it can be
I tried? Its missing letters on my end
Likely crossover cosmetic content, but they will likely only link in name initially.
Bottom text would be the name of the wolf?
mine didn't have that
Honestly it wouldn't even have to be a huge connection. I imagine it'll probably just be like "What would the world of Warframe look like if the orokin didn't take control"
Yeah ๐ Or they have a really bad fantasy ๐
Well I didn't get a button and the site has no way of requesting a resend of the email
100p there's going to be a helmet that's a reference to excal
it worked 3rd try
If I weren't so sure you're right, I'd take you up on that bet
Seems like there is an article up were Steve explains a bit about Soulframe
@cosmic quiver have you got anything?
Got a link for us? :D
Yeah, or reality where Corpus, Grineer and Tenno delete themselves from existence ๐
Oh
Linkus deletus
hmm can't seem to post it here
:(
the soulframe submit button broken?
Not really, my brain is tired. Only that the "m" could be a "p", but either way stumped for the moment.
It just takes a few tries, or some time. Servers are likely slammed
My email thing isn't working, fuffff
queue sentients ruling over nothing
I have this too
google "โSoulframeโ is the โWarframeโ creatorsโ follow-up to their decade-spanning hit" and it should show up
Cool, thanks
Howwww
i just clicked agin on the confirm button in the email
idk more
Oh, I canยดt post the link
Here goes another attempt
Mine finally confirmed
From article: The developer describes its new game, โSoulframe,โ as less of a sequel and more of a sister to โWarframe,โ the online space ninja opus thatโs come to span countless genres over a decadeโs worth of updates. Steve Sinclair, who is stepping down from his decade-long tenure as โWarframeโ director to help lead the new project, told The Washington Post the game will share โWarframeโsโ focus on cooperative player-vs-environment combat and procedurally generated environments, but it will be โthe mirror universe version of โWarframe.โ โ
idk what to do if the email didn't even have a button. Try to sign up again?
This applies to setting: โWarframeโ is a unique, flesh-mech-powered spin on the sci-fi genre; โSoulframeโ will be a suitably strange take on fantasy. Itโll also apply to gameplay.
Everyone's confirming and I'm still sitting here waiting for it to stop saying this
"suitably"
soooo prequel or alternative timeline ?
It'll be sad not having Steve on the Devstreams anymore ;~;
It told me mine email is already registered. Oh dear
I've been trying .. it just sits there a minute and says the email is in use
with no way to resend the mail
Mirror universe suggestions alternative timeline.
We donยดt know yet
Should I just redo the whole process of giving it my email?
Unrelated, just uses similar themes
thoughts?
A skip hop and jump through the void.
Top one is likely a stretch obviously.
Has anyone seen this screen too, but they've still been able to confirm?
|| the sinexxxe
banished
oxenxax ||
not true, by mirror they mean seperate themes and different gameplay
โSoulframeโsโ world, as proposed, might be its most interesting character. The game will focus on themes of nature, restoration and adventure as inspired by works like โPrincess Mononokeโ and โThe NeverEnding Storyโ โ specifically, the collision between industry and nature. In service of that, the world will show its displeasure toward players who occupy it.
โThe conceit [in โSoulframeโ] is that the world itself is a little angry about whatโs been done to it, and the grounds underneath tend to shift throughout the day,โ said creative director Geoff Crookes. โSo thereโs going to be proceduralism within the cave networks and crevasses and so on underneath the world.โ
@obtuse gyro
minecraft-frame lol
I think it contains the spirit of WF but it's not related
middle could be punished
Steve goes into detail in the article on how he wants soulframe gameplay to be slower than warframe and have a high focus on melee or exploration
I don't think I went against this. There are smaller side things next to the big roboto letters.
I think he means the same mix of genres like Warframe is
oo?
It can be this
I have not been able to confirm email, but I'm also trying to do it via my phone
Please can someone answer my question, lol
I think I mentally decided that was going to be harder to form the last word since you can't end it in "ue" as letters often would.
I'm new to this discord, is there any way to poke one of the Devs about the Soulframe Email not having a button
Because I think the site just not responding or having to try multiple times is a volume issue but the Mail being registered and no way to resend or confirm it is more of a problem than just waiting a few minutes and trying again
That wasn't my question
At all
Hope it helps.
Some glyphs are rotated in the page
Oren?ul would be possible though, no?
Has anyone who has seen this failure screen still, eventually, been able to confirm?
I found a solution! I opened my email in immersive reader and it showed that the button is invisible and gave me the link!
this implies failure
Oh Steve. Why.
How do we already have all the glyphs?
he wasnt very clear on that point
what is immersive reader XD
or print view?
howd you acquire these
Image description for the image after following email confirmation.
|| Idol-On ... Eidolon ||
Steve. Why.

You know why, it's probably a red herring.
Ahhh, I hate you, Steve ๐คก ๐คฃ
Nah, this is gonna be Final Fantasy levels of name recycling in very subtle ways.
Or in true warframe fashion, it'll be something that only makes sense later once we have the context clues.
It says my email is already registered
Yeah
AHH I see , it's in the view tab in the Sandwich button ON the Email
But likely it's just the fact that the idol is "on" where as the one before is off
How?
I'm still going with the naming juncture being how they named the Warframe thing and this is just a more direct wording.
Can you dm me what you did?
what are you stuck on? ๐

I'm on my email, I had the same issue saying it was ready registered
Honestly I think if we do see a lot of similar names it'll lend to the theory that they're within the same multiverse at least.
So I need to do the print view thing
Something like Doom and Wolfenstein?
I wonder if the Drifter we saw in duviri was our Drifter or another Drifter entirely?
Almost certainly our Drifter.
Recall the table scene, and Teshin saying that it's you trying to help you
I just keep getting something ain't right straight away now
Same
That's all that I'm getting
I clicked the button, scrolled up to look at hte words and eventually it just loaded.
Probably getting overloaded, click once or twice, then just wait is my advice.
Be patient, folks. It's only hour 2 of the site even being up
Yeah, I'm just paranoid I messed something up which is why it's failing everytime
The reason I think it wasn't our Drifter is because he had somatic implants which the Drifter didn't have in the New War (I think, mine didn't and he didn't seem able to equip them if I remember correctly) and we also have the somatic implants because of our void powers but the Drifter doesn't gain void powers until later in the New War, I don't see why he would have somatic implants if he had no void power
I just keep getting the "Something's not right..."
I'm sure that if nothing else, some form of support contact will be set up, and any sign up issues will be addressed
The fact it says you've already registered probably means it is fine.
better go check though if i am remembering correctly
You mean bc it said I was registered when I tried to start over?
Yes
It is a "paradox" supposedly so that might have something to do with it.
Did we get a release date for Duviri? Wasnโt able to watch stream today and not home yet
"Later"
That trailer didn't have somatics, no
Winter
Nice
The gameplay had somatics so I was figuring it was just DE's version of Drifter for the gameplay
And "Veilbreaker" hopefully before then, which seems to focus on Kahl-175
and erra? ๐ง
It's place holder for the playable character, I'm pretty sure the voice was the same from new war drift
bro i told you guys erra would come back
- is a sweet new Archon now

We all knew Erra was still alive
Indeed
yes it did
I wonder if that means we'll get somatics as a decorative option for the drifter
If they decide to throw away lore, sure
Oh god, gameplay channel is full of doomers ๐
I just want facial hair for drift
true that would make the most sense if its our Drifter
I mean nothing says they have to throw away lore to introduce somatics for the drifter.
It's a Paradox; Drifter could always get some Somatics more as a cosmetic fashion statement than for practicality. Like how people have piercings just because they look/feel better with them.
Or something could have literally changed in this time travel story that gives the Drifter somatics.
It's based on time paradoxes, which doesn't explain Drifter having somatics
were the chopped lotus hand from the new war? I don't remember her losing a hand
Huh how did you make out the other letters?
Someone posted a fully encoded thing early. Dunno where they got it, but it's simple letter substitution from there.
Somatics are for operators who use the somatic link and have void powers.
Trailer person had them before getting void powers.
How do I solve those images after you solve the main page bit?
oh right Ballas chopped it off during the vortex scene
Yes, and the whole point of the storyline is it is somehow a paradox. So drifter having somatics isn't farfetched.
Except when you insist it can only be your version of lore that is right.
she has it again later when we feed her the archon crystals so that why the loss of the hand probably didn't stick in my memory as important
Second symbol on the left is "U"
@cosmic quiver howd you get w?
There seems to be an error when I'm inputting my title. It seems to think I haven't filled out a field.
I don't know where some of those letters came from.
There was an earlier post of someone who has a full letter of some kind:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/996120877550809148/998023887394709604/unknown.png
is there more of this?
Where did that come from?
No clue, but it's the correct cipher.
Ask this person. It's where I got it
DE says the Veilbreaker release will be coming soon in its trailer, when you do you guys think it will be released? 1 to 2 months perhaps?
While I was playing a mission, I got some similar messages, in that language.
Is that part of the new content?
In Warframe? Don't know
While in the mission or while loading into the mission?
Likely.
when day wrought
Sure it wasn't just the "sweet dream" message in tennobet?
||When day wrought night then did arrive not sea nor hoof but bro? the sky || is where I'm at
That word with a question mark seems misspelled maybe, my brain ain't working full speed.
I don't think so, the most I can detail is that it got in the way of my entire screen and that message appeared with a language similar to that with white and red letters, I don't think it's something about Kuva either
its fro
When day wrought night they did arrive
Not sea nor hoof but from the sky
Knight-maidens strong rode to face them
Yet not a sword was drawn
Second dream teaser possibly
goated translator
but from the sky
Has anyone tired translating the images on the Soulframe site? So far for the first two images, I think I have "PUNISHED" and "THE SINECURE"
I was right about it being The Sinecure! Wtf?
banished, not punished
last one is some kind of name
Ah, that might work too
Sounds like the sweet dream loading screen as it has red and white letters
Likely the sword name.
anyone know what the fish letter is?
id say thats a really cool sword name
Sinecure is an actual word, ya know
oh its an L
Sinecure:
a position requiring little or no work but giving the holder status or financial benefit.
ร ร ร?
Wait, that doesn't make much sense with the third pic, cuz then it ends up something like "OVEN A "

the last word on the website is OMENGAL
Ah, enemy gotcha. again, not full gears right now.
So The Sinecure is probably a title of some noble.
last line of the letter is TO THE WORLD
who is working on the letter?
ehh close but a bit souther
Given Sinecure, it has to be OrenXaX
Orengah
Za warudo
Orengah is the player's name then?
I think it's the dog/wolf thing
from the veil breaker trailer it looks like we get to customize Kahl but I hope that means we get to use him as a unique crewmate
idk if this was uncovered yet
Oh, hey Xay
lmao hi
So ORENGAL?
The dog is named Orengal, it seems
current code
I'm honestly surprised no one just has an algorithm for this sort of thing where they can insert the unknown letter substitution and then a document with a handful of known letters and just let it brute force it
Those cost money
3rd from last is C or P cause second paragraph has "cast/past" as a word.
It's def C
Can someone start to translate the letter to see what we can get?
Last 2 on the left row are C and P
CJPQXZ missing
ive completed the first 2 lines of the letter
"Sinecure" part of the first image
they exist but not public accessible
JQXZ
Xay's ontop of that
I've got 2 paragraphs
have you come across any of the remaining letters
No :(
I'm just surprised no one has made one in like python or some junk.
Donยดt forget the ones on the art images on the soulframe site
they probably wouldnt release it bc they can make money tho
Willing to bet that the 4 circles is likely X
I mean how much money could it really make? Anyone who needs a substitution cipher decoder probably has one.
truโฆ if u find one def lmk
So a "Sinecure" is a job that requires little-to-no actual work, examples being the liturgical and pastoral functions of a cleric, and those guys past the sword look very church-related. Maybe "The Sinecure" isn't the sword, but those people.
I'm thinking The Sinecure is the person who attacks the main character
plot twist, Soulframe is about fantasy vikings fighting back againts fantasy christianity that is slowly taking over their society and lands
Is soulframe web page still having issues or is it just me?
fixed some of the letters' rotations
Mines still saying this
lots of overflow
gonna be that way for a few days prob tbh
I managed to get through
Ggs
I mean is it really a plot twist? That seems to be exactly what we see.
Hey Kummajainen, how close to completion are you with that letter?
It was described as "Princess Mononoke" inspired
And the narrator even mentions odin so not a stretch.
also managed to get thru, email verification took a few tries due to the server being on fire
wolves are very norse
Basically, we're fighting against rampant industrialization
and that style of writing is like ancient northern wurope
I have no idea honestly, I think there is to little information about the game to draw any conclusion
Apparently there was an interview or some-such
ayo, anyone else just getting "this email is already registered" when doing the soulframe registration
haven't gotten an email or anything, tried two different emails
omg godsend

Might still have a few rotations off too.
I was working in paint when the other rotations were posted.
you got all of them
unless the remaining four get rotated in future texts
where do we see the last 4 letters
So apparently the character's original arm is the "Ode Lock Arm"
Isn't M and W switched around though?
just trying to mess with you ๐
If you need to take a break, do it
last line is TO THE WORLD
im on the 4th paragraph
Me too
ok Ill pick another
this are the first 2 lines of the 4rth:
4:
NOW INDUSTRY DEMANDS THE EARTH
OUR VERDANT FIELDS BLED GREY OF WORTH
has wanyone posted the completed letter?
3:
NOW MOTHERS SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE
TO ODEN CASTLES CROWNING AIR
RETURNING SPIES TO PEEL OUR THOUGHTS
WITH SOULS SO TWISTED WRONG
i got 8 lines now
I think Ill do the last one
From code of website
oh wow
also the missing four letters dont appear anywhere in text so where do we even know what they look like
impressive ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ
far right. they just dont show up anywhere
Good lod ARGs ๐
So this sounds like it pre-dates the Orokin if it's in the same Universe
im wondering if its leading up to the old war or during or even directly after
maybe what led to the rise of the orokin empire?
dominus thrax might be orokin
To be fair, J, Q, X and Z are rarely used letters. J would likely be the most used.
well dominus thrax is from warframe
Or in the future when Grineer, Corpus and Tenno delete themselves?
the soldiers or sinecure look a lot like dax too
In the trailer, it does say "go to earth"
im assuming theres a significant link
zanuka. dax
Not in a mirror universe necessarily.
#spoiler-chat message deciphered:
When day wrought night they did arrive
Not sea nor hoof but from the sky
Knight-maidens strong rode to face them
Yet not a sword was drawn
For within that night songs were cast
And we who heard them lost our past
Our virtues, love, and spirit fled
So hollow was the dawn
Now mothers send their children there
To Ode'n castles crowning air
Returning spies to peel our thoughts
With souls so twisted wrong
New industry demands the Earth
Our verdant fields bled grey of worth
The beasts of feast now lost to famine
Great Alca's flesh stripped raw
While hope in us has come to rust
Strange kin remain with the Alca's trust
Cross distance shores old souls arise Credit to Sealskin, I missed this line originally.
Relic wolf and bear, and faun
Those we plundered now we seek
For ancient ties that withered weak
To cast a bargain entwining fate
And reforging honored bonds...
To the world.
Maybe a story of that annoying Dominus in Duviri? That would be amazing, but unlikely
you are my new god
i find it interesting that there is no punctuation besides the โฆ and final period
WAAAAIT 4th paragraph mentions "alca"
There was also a note left on the source code saying
Yes, I would like to be updated on the evolution of Soulframe, claim my Alca's Eye on launch, and reserve my Envoy Title.
this mean my email got submitted right ?
Can confirm: same thing, you're right.
Nice work guys
no one better take my name before i can make a soulframe account >:(
Now someone put it into a wikia page
Just go reserve it now
I used my nick from Warframe lol
i cant for a little bit
i will asap
not that i would be able to get any simpler tbh
Imagine struggling to get your username >:)
The fact that the earth apparently dislikes industrialization in this makes me think if it was the same universe as Warframe it'd have to be post everything.
โxayโ is a name ๐ญ๐ญ
maybe a new era way in the future
orokin are to tenno as tenno are to soulframe
I think the same, because Orokin Empire seems to be the future of โourโ world
no orokin is past
so anyway i think i have now memorized the currently available glyphs
touch of the tism :sly:
Because the earth fighting back if it was the same earth would make sense in a post tenno era since the trees and what not are literally alive in the current timeline of Warframe
No, In Zariman you can buy the pre orokin era moon - ours
oh no public emotes lmao
tism?
autism. like i memorized the elvish alphabet in 7th grade from the hobbit bc i hyperfixated on it LMAO
The pre-Orokin-Era moon was in Hombask's offerings likely because Z10-0 education includes content that is otherwise forbidden or unavailable to the general public.
yes bc the 10zero was from then
Should be "NOW industries demands the earth" in line 1, stanza 4
we play the game post orokin
they created grineer. corpus. infested. tenno. sentient. transference. etc
I thought โourโ like in present real world
Opened the soulframe site on my PC and it does this. Anyone else's do this as well?
I know that
Mine just gives me the Ode Lock Arm now
i dont think we have a comparison to irl afaik


