spoiler-chat

[frail nymph]

What's suspicious to me is why they don't say anything about Duviri, and are even clueless about Thrax, while Duviri seems to be the best location of Origin for the Thrax as of now...

Well, except Yonta mentioning the "this place is an embassy of sorts for misfit realities that were never chosen" and the "things in the deep void lashing like dragons and bellowing like giants."

[rain otter]

They existed before I think but they as the rest of the Angles they where dormant when the Finger Drive is off.

So basically dormant since the old War.

[frail nymph]

But Kira mentioned how this is the first time she was seeing that kind of void contamination...

"I cannot believe it is still intact. Thank you. This Void contamination is sure wild huh? Never seen anything like it."

[rain otter]

I mean the Grinner would turn it back on and then it would be a bunch of Void Contamination and like Wally might be trying to break through the wall specifically now but the Angles and holdfasts being bot dormant is related to the finger drive.

[frail nymph]

"We gestated in the belly of the Zariman beast, same as them, woke when we heard those words call us, same as them."
"Sorry I've been so hard to reach, but I'm not the only one who woke to his words. I call them angels. Just my way of reminding myself what they used to be."
"That form is what awaits us, should we fail to hold fast. The others were all like us, once. But in time they all drank from that bleak Reliquary, and now they scream in chorus to the Void."

This implies everyone woke for the first time ever/were "manifested" as regular crew, but in time turned into angels... I'm wondering about when they woke as crew, not their current re-awakening.

The angels were definitely there before New War ended, as seen when you meet Drifter... Unless those angels are somehow different from crew turned into angels

[frail nymph]

Thoughts? @cyan crest ?

Also does this mean not sealing the originals leads to copies being generated on their own? Or at least make it possible for someone else to make copies? Also implies thats quite unsafe

[cyan crest]

I believe the finger woke up before grineer tempering, if only slightly

We know from the angel logs that the crazed adults heard the song too

So the new war angels could be older than the grineer tampering awakening fully the finger

And that's why they're all inactive

Mmm, the dialogue only says they woke up to the finger's call

Not that they appeared when thr finger called

So some adults could directly have appeared as angels

Perhaps those that were too deep in the craze of the song

"all were once like us" could be referring to their time as humans too

[frail nymph]

"The others were all like us, once. "

If anything appeared as angels, I don't think those things were manifestations of adults.

Some things for example are angel versions of statues

[cyan crest]

Or perhaps they turned to angels in the time between the actual appearance of the Z and the new war

That's why I don't think the finger was inactive all the time until grineer appeared

Only... Slightly more dormant

[frail nymph]

Oh yeah that's possible, I'm just talking about how they looked whenever they did get created.

[cyan crest]

The dialogue says the others were all like them

So there's no possibility, if we take that dialogue, that there are non-adult angels

[frail nymph]

The "others" could just be exclusively referring to adult-angels.

Because the statues that have halfway turned into angels are clearly not adult-angels

[cyan crest]

It could be angels forming in or near that statue
Or merely void contamination in the shape of a human

Why the void mimics things escapes me, but it's definately a theme there

[frail nymph]

Oh right I forgot the angels is just a word Kira gave to people who transformed... I guess you could get away with not calling the statue thingies angels

[frail nymph]

That's almost for certain yeah, given how the place looks when you talk to drifter.

[frail nymph]

But that I doubt, since Operator and Drifter both haven't encountered non-dormant angels before. If the alive people gave in to the song, they would have turned before the rescue and these two would have noticed.

[cyan crest]

I think the adults hearing the song before the whole AoZ happened is important

But I don't know exactly why

It could link the accident to the finger me thinks

[frail nymph]

I mean the song is the madness in general... Don't really need the finger to do void stuff when you're in the void I think

[cyan crest]

Fair enough

[jagged night]

Aye*

[cyan crest]

No

[fast timber]

I hope someone can clear my doubts. Sometimes when doing Zariman missions, some player's operators do that "floating death ray" thing you could do Pre-War within.
How are they able to do that after war within? Is it a specific focus node/ability or did i miss something?

[ionic sleet]

That's a visual bug.

[low fox]

Is it just me or does the drop rates for hespar and aeolak seem MUCH lower than they should be. Its been weeks and i got no parts

[fast timber]

Really? I only started seeing it with the zariman update. That's is one weird visual Bug

[ionic sleet]

That's RNG being rude.
I'm sitting with a couple of parts after a few runs.

[ionic sleet]

It was an older visual bug, but I have also seen it a few times now in Zariman missions.

[fast timber]

I see thanks! Shame. I thought that maybe they'd added those attacks back as some sort of special attack 😆

[night raptor]

I want to make more weapons with panache

Like really go hard on theme over function

Like a handheld howitzer designed by a grineer to try and counter sentients by hitting them so hard that they die before they adapt.

Break action with a 2.25 second reload mechanic that makes it so you automatically put in the shell and one detonite charge then click to close the breach but if you hit reload again you add another charge doubling the damage at the cost of making it knock you back and then if you hit reload a third time it adds another charge, triples the damage makes it hitscan, and breaks the barrel on firing causing the next reload to take a full 5 seconds.

Also because it's a howitzer and I don't like aoe shoot the floor meta its projectile's aoe is a cone behind what you hit instead of a blast.

Make a corpus weapon that owns the tech thing a shoulder mounted turret that you can deploy more of that all aim at your crosshair with the unusual effect of you can use the shoulder mounted one while you have melee out but with greatly reduced accuracy

Maybe an Orokin gladiatorial semi auto crossbow or even a melee Trident that does more the more "gracefully" you fight building up bonus effects and such the more varied your attacks are losing grace on taking damage or spamming like how Simaris punishes you for overusing an ability.

[night raptor]

Maybe an incarnon amp that refuses to be unequipped until it's maxed or Rell's cards with the return of the Mote amp except it's damage isn't terrible and it gains bonus stats when it's incarnon meter fills based on the card pulled

[icy dawn]

does choosing whether to choose drifter or operator really matter in the end or no?

if so then what does each one do

[real niche]

Does not matter

[icy dawn]

ah ok

[rain otter]

Changes dialog that's about it. Same with Zariman opening quest.

[lapis portal]

i'm naming it heavy flamer

the amp

[junior summit]

One question. In the Tenno room of the zariman when I use the drifter it appears a pair of nikanas in one of the doors. Is it normal or just a bug?

[wraith sigil]

It’s normal, it only happens on drifter

[rain otter]

Normal actually a bit of a easter egg

Cuz everything becomes more Monochromtic

And starts playing the Duviri Music.

[junior summit]

I hope in a future we can use melee with the drifter

[wraith sigil]

Drifter did actually used a melee weapon during the new war quest

An electric powered dagger

Rumblejack I think it was called

[junior summit]

But I mean a free-choice melee

[supple dagger]

rumblejack the tumblejack
yes it was called the rumblejack

[frail nymph]

Can you as a human lift the Hespar or slice through armor with a Skana?

Any melee weapon will feel like a rumblejack in the hands of Drifter

[rain otter]

Eh

We used a Nataruk.

[safe meadow]

^^

[frail nymph]

That's a sentient bow with energy for ammunition. It even floats by itself.

[autumn turret]

alot of melees would definately be impossible for a person to use, and probably most of the bows

and then any signigantly large gun

[zenith jacinth]

That one thing shows the strength difference between humans and warframes pretty well. Drifter needs a lot of effort to swing it, and it's really slow, while warframes just go swing swing with it

[frail nymph]

Also the jump height lol

[steady stag]

Guys XD

[autumn turret]

noice

[hollow radish]

Depends on the equipment. Some of it is the exact same stuff that's used by corpus and grineer, both of whom employ soldiers who are superhuman but not to an extent that most people would usually think of beyond some of the wilder things that Captain America has been portrayed as doing. Even then, stuff like slowing a helicopter from taking off would likely be in the realm of elite or significantly enhanced corpus/grineer.

So if it's like a flux rifle or something that clearly works well for someone more or less human sized, the drifter could probably use it well enough. You wouldn't really expect energy weapons to have recoil either, so corpus stuff even moreso.

Not that all energy weapons lack recoil in WF.

[zenith jacinth]

Even corpus have some visible recoil when shooting their weapons

[autumn turret]

weird, because its all energy based

well mostly all

[zenith jacinth]

They don't use non-energy weapons aside from maybe prova

[autumn turret]

i dont know if the corpus enemies actually use any but there are some railguns

[zenith jacinth]

Please elaborate

[autumn turret]

well i believe the stalhta is

or is it just the alt fire

[zenith jacinth]

Yes, they don't use that one

[autumn turret]

i know

[zenith jacinth]

Snipetron shoots actual bullets, but lanka was added to replace it

[autumn turret]

if you read my message you'd see that

i said im not sure if any corpus enemies use them but there are some corpus guns that are railguns

which implies they are at least used canonically by not warframes

[zenith jacinth]

If you interpreted my message right you'd see that I just confirmed what you said

[past kiln]

imagine a person firing a trumna altfire lmfao

[zenith jacinth]

[leaden rivet]

So how do we get the strangers hood?

It is after the stream today or before ata relay?

[thick jolt]

.....

[real niche]

Wrong month, Tennocon starts in July

[leaden rivet]

Oop u right

[amber terrace]

Where would be a good place to discuss some of the shots from the trailer shown at the summer games?

[cyan crest]

Here

[amber terrace]

||I rewatched the duviri trailer and I couldn’t help but notice some… peculiarities with the hand of the figure shown wearing the mask in the trailer. I don’t want to jinx it, buuuut I think we might have to deal with an old friend||

[cyan crest]

Spoiler marks on the spoiler chat of the day

I think the red stuff should like
Be somewhere in the mask guy's hand, but it's not

You can also see the tip of the finger and it doesn't look like the weird mechanical thing in her finger

You can make the outline of the finger and it looks like a regular one

[zenith jacinth]

I don't see any similarity between the two either

[cyan crest]

The mask guy's looks less wrinkled and just

Younger

[icy ore]

Then again, it might be the kuva queen but after the transference thing she wanted to do with op… but then how about those who let here live, or those who killed her ? I don’t think bringing a dead character to a role that important would be unheard of of DE, they are above it (unless you talk about alad V or Vor)

Alad Vor is a thing my brain will never let me forget

[cyan crest]

If she is in another body then pointing similarities between her and the new one is pointless

Also Vor has a canonical reason to resurrect and Alad has never canonically died

[icy ore]

Alad is DE’s punching bag… he got owned by Tenno, by the infestation, and then cured himself to do a deal with the sentient that backfired horribly

[cyan crest]

Technically we cured him but yeah
And that's technically 2 deals with the sentients
Guy just has the worst luck ever

[icy ore]

That backfired horribly twice

With Ropa AND Era

[cyan crest]

He got owned by the grineer in Gradivus, by us in zanuka, by the infested in mutalist, and then by the sentients in ropadopa and new war

[icy ore]

Never heard of gradivus (or don’t remember

[cyan crest]

Old event that settled which faction took over Mars

[icy ore]

Oooh I see

Does Alad and Nef interact with each other or are they in economical warfare too )

[cyan crest]

They interacted in the event where we cured Alad and they hated each other

Nef wanted to sabotage him

I guess corpus don't make friends with potential rivals

[icy ore]

Corpus makes money, not friends

Business partners at best

[frail nymph]

Wait so are the wall angels also crew-angels?

[flat shadow]

All angels were crew once.

[frail nymph]

Yeah I mean the things growing out of the wall and not just the angels you can fight

[flat shadow]

Not all the stuff growing out of the walls are angels, but all the angels in the wall are angels, and were crew.

[frail nymph]

Are we sure the angel-looking things growing out of the walls are angels though? They're over three times bigger than the angels we know, and grow out of regular statues at times

[flat shadow]

I think you mean Kira in the mission compared to the ones you get from bounties? Someone more versed in the lore should weigh in, but my (not 100% understanding is that they keep growing. Kira was new to being an angel. The others are older.

[frail nymph]

Kira was just a regular Ravenous Angel as far as I know

I mean stuff like this. Ones that are part of the map geometry

[torpid lantern]

I agree, Rising. The bigger ones are older and got bigger with time. I personally feel like the older and larger they are, the more prone they are to stay dormant

It's also possible that some of them failed to properly transition and become an abominable mess of void and memories

[frail nymph]

But how is something growing out of a regular wall if it was formerly a humanoid body?

[flat shadow]

That's something I hadn't considered. I wonder if all the wierd stuff growing from the Void is the remnants of consciousness.

[frail nymph]

Well conceptual embodiment itself is all about consciousness, so yeah...

This one's just an arm straight up

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe they're not growing out of the walls but rather into them?

Could explain it

Most of the wall growth I've paid attention to do seem to simply have attached themselves to the wall

[torpid lantern]

Also don't the Angels form from dead people who became weird void manifestations? So physically they don't really have a body that would follow the rules of physics the way we know it?

[frail nymph]

Void manifestations, yes, but I wouldn't call the Holdfasts weird

Cavalero even says their bodies can really take a beating

[supple dagger]

OOOH yeah

[cyan crest]

The hands look nothing alike

[supple dagger]

looks similar tbh

[graceful zodiac]

Not really. Multiple characters all have similar skin tones

[cyan crest]

Also, the queen lacks her index finger

Finger you can see in mask guy's hand

[frail nymph]

@graceful zodiac Not to mention the pseudo-monochromatic nature of Duviri
The saturation fluctuates faster than my mood.

[inland umbra]

Anyone else here think that these swords will be an incarnon weapon or a different type of evolving weapon

Like in The New War when we played as Teshin we could change our weapon elements

Also I think that If the Duviri Paradox a open world map then it might (MIGHT) be just Operator/Drifter only and no warframes (just saying

[cyan crest]

That would be, with all due respect, a horrible idea unless done with muuuuch care

[supple owl]

I highly doubt that tbh, not enough people invest in focus, operator/amp arcanes and would get mad that they can't use their warframe theyve spent hundreds of hours upgrading in a game called warframe

[flat shadow]

It's an interesting concept. Though I'd personally be a bit miffed if I can't use my Warframe in Warframe

[narrow jay]

How does a corpus take care of his yard? - He buys a Lawn-Moa!

[cyan crest]

I love your puns please don't stop

[frail nymph]

It could work if Duviri was full of mechanics/lore/puzzle-weirdness-based content rather than constant incessant killing. But we know that's not happening

[frail nymph]

B Drum-tiss

[cyan crest]

The quest can be filled with that and I can actually see it being operator only, but I doubt the open world is

[frail nymph]

I just hope whatever a "Soulframe" is comes into play there

[narrow jay]

If an Operator wakes from the Second Dream, does it mean he is resisting a rest?

[cyan crest]

Alright you already told that

[hollow radish]

The only thing I've noticed is that the area of the mask guy's organic hand towards the wrist looks blue. That, along with the fact that the nails are black-blue, makes me wonder if that hand isn't biologically alive.

Also it kind of looks like there's dax armor on his torso, and in the Tennocon 2019 art we saw an emblem on his torso as well. The only precedent we've really seen for that is the kuva guardians having an emblem on their torsos.

Offhand, I'd expect that to be some kind of personal crest. We've also heard a little bit about, "Duviri" being a surname in audio chatter. Two lines are present about them in the Fortuna quotes section on the wiki.

-Wait. The first trailer was from Tennocon 2019, but I don't remember when the art was from.

(This art, BTW)

[cyan crest]

Duviri being a last name in audio chatter was cut from the game

[hollow radish]

Huh.

Gonna try to directly copy-paste the art

There we go.

Obviously he doesn't have the absurdly long cloak, but... Well, I'm pretty sure it's for the same reason we don't have floaty, tendril-feet Lotus with a long skirt.

Slash dress, not sure what you would call the lower regions of a larger dress.

[tribal forum]

the masked one looks orokin cause of the arm looking longer or that might be perspective

[supple dagger]

No that's definitely also seen with the Entrati family members

[tribal forum]

wait i hadn't scrolled down yet

what if the masked person in the new trailer is the balas from the drifter's world

[supple dagger]

It's gotta be someone affected by a paradox, and two Ballas' at the same time might be a paradox?

Like both existing when it invalidates the other?

[cyan crest]

Who are orokin...

[supple dagger]

That could also apply to the MC tenno we play as, specifically with both the drifter and operator existing at the same time

[tribal forum]

OR what if its a third version of the operator

[cyan crest]

Or a forth, seeing how the operator in the trailer has disparities with drifter

Honestly I hope it is not another version of the operator

They have Dax armor so in going with the easy "it's Teshin" or another Dax until we have more info

[frail nymph]

Duviri Paradox is very similar to twin paradox, so I'm very inclined towards the theme being around Drifter and Operator's time shenanigans more than other characters.

[past kiln]

i hope they don't bring ballas back

i mean maybe he could've since it looks like his body got sucked into the wally portal in new war, but i want dead characters dead

[rigid yoke]

repeat with me, dead people stay dead. Teshin had his skull crushed, and was then dropped on the floor in an alien ship with 2 of his biggest enemies, with a giant hole sucking everything in and Ballas was literally drained of its life by Lotus, and then left in that same crumbling sun-eating ship

Unless they want to throw 10 years worth of fantastic story telling away in this specific moment to bring any of those 2 back and diminish every death of a character ever and going forward, they are not coming back

The swords are most definitely not Teshins. They would have been in the ship we abandoned for an unspecified amount of time after being traumatized and stabbed. and they werent there when we were back

Those swords and the circular glaive are standard issue weaponry for dax

[tribal forum]

we also have acces to dax armor so it could easly be anyone

[rigid yoke]

true^

[tribal forum]

well technically the operator we had since they came out also "dead" but then got back somehow

[cyan crest]

Any Dax, not anyone
And I did say I was going for the easy route

[rigid yoke]

we are specified to be an exception. A paradox.

[cyan crest]

The little bits are all pointing for a dax

Not necessarily Teshin, but a dax

[rigid yoke]

Oh, that i agree

[tribal forum]

then the lotus is one to since she was in a weird state after her energy being sucked out by ballas

[west field]

True the only way for Teshin to return is to have him replaced by an alternate reality counterpart

[rigid yoke]

Which would be hard, cause he didnt get paradoxed, nor died in the zariman to become a holdfast

[cyan crest]

Or him being revived by some bullcrap which is not unusual in writing

[rigid yoke]

which are the 2 ways to cheat death, apart from continuity

[rigid yoke]

Lotus was eidolon-ized by having her energy sucked and exposure to the void

theres no other lotus involved, nor she died at any point

[tribal forum]

wait isn't there enternalism to where there is a reality where he dead and one where he didn't

[vital creek]

That just means there’s an alternate teshin that exists, our teshin still died

[tribal forum]

such as enternalism created the drifter

[west field]

Thus the odds of characters like Teshin returning is extremely slim

[rigid yoke]

Not quite. Eternalism says teshin could have made a choice where teshin did x or teshin did y. But unless you get lucky when messing with void stuff thats as if wasnt there

[tribal forum]

then there is also the choise erra made or that ballas made to kill or not to kill him

[rigid yoke]

Like, theres not a second phisical universe where he is alive. Its just that, had he got paradoxed too, a version of him of that hypothetical world, could exist

but he does not exist as a paradox like us

[rigid yoke]

precisely

[tribal forum]

well up until the new war we also didn't exist as a paradox

[rigid yoke]

i agree

and at the same time i dont

[tribal forum]

the lore is to complicated

we need matpat to solve it

[rigid yoke]

Technically we already made the choices that led to us becoming a paradox. We just reached that point story wise

Dax Teshin hasnt, isnt, and wont have those choices

And even if he did, he would need an alternate version of himself aware of eternalism to do anything at all

we just got lucky drifter knew stuff. Had our alternate version not know how eternalism works, Drifter wouldnt have popped out in our world to do anything

[tribal forum]

drifter knew it since they took the claases to

they r basecally tenno that didn't make the deal

[graceful zodiac]

Drifter didn't really know how it worked either though. It would still be a theory to them

[rigid yoke]

but Drifter did spend its entire life up to new war on the void since the incident. As you can see with the holdfasts, that teaches you stuff

[tribal forum]

up until their apperance it was also a theorie to the normal tenno

[graceful zodiac]

The Holdfasts also died and were brought back to life

[tribal forum]

aren't they also a sort of cephalon state or something like that

like cephalons made by the void

[rigid yoke]

Not in the same way as us, but yes

[graceful zodiac]

The case between them and Drifter are entirely different

[tribal forum]

but they can becoma angels at anytime if they do the wrong thing once

just like kira

[rigid yoke]

Yeah, but it shows that spending time there does teach you stuff about how eternalism works

They all know the ins and outs of it

while they shouldnt, at least most of them

Yonta may have

[graceful zodiac]

It's not about spending time there, it's about being intrinsically linked to it

[rigid yoke]

Which drifter was

because they were there

[graceful zodiac]

Living there is not the same thing

[rigid yoke]

had the paradox happened with idk, Konzu, he would just be a random version of him that knows nothing about eternalism and wouldnt be able to use it like Drifter did

The fact that it was a zariman child, that got stuck there, is what teached drifter about it

[graceful zodiac]

Drifter wasn't able to use it either though, not until the Operator got back into action

[rigid yoke]

by "use" i mean the fact that they appeared in our world at all and knew exactly what to do

[graceful zodiac]

I wouldn't call being a renegade knowing exactly what to do. They were just stuck until we came back

[rigid yoke]

You'd be confused as hell if you got randomly popped out in a world of another you

But drifter, a random human with an alien gun, infiltrated multiple narmer bases and took down a factory

They definitely knew how eternalism worked pre-appearing

[cyan crest]

There is one, it just not accessible

By us with known means

I mean the quills literally mention multiverse by name

There are multiple timelines, we can only access drifter because they were already in the void when that happened, but other realities born from outside the void choices are, and I quote Euleria, no less real

It's not hypothetical because hypothetical would be non real, it's physical, just outside out boundaries

[cyan crest]

:p

The void is not the petri dish where all the eternalism phenomena happens, it's the microscope that allowed the people in the warframe universe to observe it

[rigid yoke]

brain hurty

[cyan crest]

Warframe eternalism says multiverse theory is real but we have only so far interacted with drifter because void already messed stuff up

[rigid yoke]

Fair. Its just a little blurry for me on some stuff

[cyan crest]

But it's theoretically possible to access different universes if we listen to the classroom scene
Only presumably extremely difficult given how we have no idea how to do it, but they're not less real than our current universe

If we just left them as hypothetical, they wouldn't be accessible and would be less real

Which directly contradicts the basis of the eternalism-multiverse conjoined system presented in the classroom scene

[rigid yoke]

With the wrong words, what i meant, is that a random teshin 2.0 is not gonna pop out of the void at some point like nothing happened. Teshin is just no more

For him to appear something like what happened to us would have to happen

[cyan crest]

Oh unless they go the bad writing route that should be impossible
Said Teshin exists, but has no business in our world, or whatever the muck duviri is

[rigid yoke]

yep, agreed

[cyan crest]

Unless they introduce a way to actually hop between worlds

Which wouldn't be contradicting by itself

But it would hurt the narrative

[rigid yoke]

yep, since it would make deaths meaningless

teshin 2.0 could just pull a drifter after we were stabbed

and teshin 1.0 would be back and running

[cyan crest]

I'm guessing that if they bring him back, which I'm not discarding yet, it is gonna be an actual resurrection rather than a universe swap

[rigid yoke]

that would be one hell of a resurrection since the brain got damaged

but id prefer it, specially if its in a way only applicable to him, idk

something that doesnt take away my fear of characters dying

[cyan crest]

I'm guessing resurrection by void corruption a la Holdfasts
Yes, one of my main candidates for mask guy is Teshin, although I'm hoping he's not

He doesn't have the void mould but he has the duviri twisted body

And a Dax armor

I'm hoping it's not Teshin but I cannot discard the possibility

[rigid yoke]

but he does have a long arm tho

Would be weird for Teshin to just adapt the orokin style

[cyan crest]

Mask guy seems twisted like everything duviri
Duviri corruption is very interesting, to the point where the Sirocco seems to have a ribcage in it iirc, so it could also affect the mind in interesting ways

I mean, look at what it does to horses

Look at the full horse in the zariman pictures and then look at the one in duviri, it's the same being but missing full chunks

[rigid yoke]

fair enough

[cyan crest]

And Teshin has the orokin in high regard in his conclave syndicate idle dialogue, although it seems to be just there

[rigid yoke]

While i still dont think he is, ima say in your favour:

the last we saw of him was him being angry at the Tenno for killing Valeria

Dying, and someone continuiting him or some muckery on an orokin body

would be poetical

[cyan crest]

Indeed
And he'd have a funny looking head too

Mask guy seems to be an... Artificial orokin
The arm is mechanical instead of organic, and it doesn't match the tube-y and boney aesthetic of duviri

It's weird

[rigid yoke]

yeaaaah

It screams Orokin mimicry

[cyan crest]

The shape of the head is also round like a Dax, and of course he had Dax armor
If it wasn't for the mask, he wouldn't seem to be from duviri

[rigid yoke]

Either in a nostalgic, or sarcastic way

[rigid yoke]

The head is just weird. Its round but not fully Dax

[orchid remnant]

He doesn’t have the dax shoulderbits I don’t think

Does he have the legs in the concept art?

He has funny legs but not thick ones

[cyan crest]

He's just... Not in the same design as the rest of duviri
The rest of the designs are bone looking and organic round shapes, this guy is full of edges and mechanical bits, especially in the arm

He stands out however you look at it, except in his head

I certainly want to know more about him

[obtuse gyro]

"Made a delivery to a Duviri pleasure lake, once upon a time. Airships positioned to blow spore from fragrant forests, towards the Magnate's dining barge at suppertime. Me? got a boot in the left quarter acutator for staring at his wife too long." "Transported this Duviri, once. Got talkin, told me about the... this... well whatsit... Nominative Determinism, what you get named steers how you turn out. Maybe that's why the Corpus name some of us, not our kin? Is that loopy?"```

Looks like Duviri are filled with Barons who are also Duviri

[supple dagger]

i have an issue with how the quests play out
we as the operator are safely tucked away in the ship when we attack the queens right?
same as when we board the zariman
so why does "transference static" cause the lotus to cut off
its operator that talks, not the warframe
its operator that hears, not the warframe
is the lotus's comms connected to the warframe?
if so, then this is a fatal error on her part
idk, its just a stupid story telling device that makes no sense
the lotus should be able to follow us into these situations so long as the operator isnt on the field

[obtuse gyro]

be operator
Linked to warframe
Commslink connected to the vehicle that you pilot because it was designed with you in the second dream in mind
Transference disrupted
Cant hear the commslink
Lol fatal error

[supple dagger]

then why can the lotus hear us talk? we have full on conversations with her about teshin, from all the way in our orbiter. while i get that the operators voice is forwarded to the warframe, i would think the operator would take comms post second dream, not the warframe

[obtuse gyro]

Operator comms through transference stream to warframe

Warframe designs and somatics designs have never been changed since the second warframe project

[supple dagger]

hmm... fair

[obtuse gyro]

Think of it like pacific rim, operators need to comms through jaegers

[dense kayak]

so why not operator comms device 🧐

[scarlet basalt]

That was deleted from fortuna,you won't hear duviri.
But it seems that duviri was maybe the placeholder name for the ~~entrati ~~ higher up corpus ?

[cyan crest]

Those lines are not in the game anymore

[scarlet basalt]

if those line are about high up corpus this would make some sense but you would need to replace duviri with something else

[obtuse gyro]

How do we know this?

[cyan crest]

Because they don't appear anymore

You can stay in Fortuna all day, you will not hear this

[obtuse gyro]

This confirmed or is it just like not having wally over for tea for a long time?

[cyan crest]

The Fortuna chatter cycles between lines, at least to my experience around Fortuna that's what happened, it isn't rng, and the duviri ones didn't appear anywhere

It could be bad luck but I was experimenting with it to check it out and they just weren't there

[obtuse gyro]

Aight

[scarlet basalt]

Yo guys new theory coming up straight out of nowhere 💀

[cyan crest]

I do not know what I am looking at

[cyan crest]

Also the Solaris wouldn't realistically have a way to trade with duviri, let alone visit it

It's not that the lines are not there btw

But all the parts were the word duviri was said were cut

[scarlet basalt]

1 : dax portrait
2 : whatever the dude in duviri is named

[cyan crest]

Oh yeah the duviri mask guy is wearing Dax armor

[scarlet basalt]

yo don't tell me that once the portal opened somehow teshin got sucked in lol ? Or maybe multiple portal opened inside perghasa 🤔

[cyan crest]

Here are the audio files from 2 duviri lines without the mention of duviri after those mentions were cut

The wiki should aknowledge the lack of mention of Duviri in their transcript, with a note or something, but they do not

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh those line would be wayyy better if a higher up corpus was named,because duviri sound out of place

[cyan crest]

Anyway, they do not say Duviri anymore

[rain otter]

I mean the Stranger being Dax wouldn't be that wild cuz everything we have seem about Duviri has been very like Dax Focused. Like so many Dual Swords that Dax use

And the Rider did look like a Dax.

[scarlet basalt]

Rider ?

[cyan crest]

The one in the trailer

With the horse

[scarlet basalt]

Ohhh this one seems to have a name in the concept art : Duviri dax

[cyan crest]

He was called a Dax in later concept art

[rain otter]

Ight then this just Reinforces just the overall Dax theme

And a Dax Villain would be interesting

[scarlet basalt]

Dax open world.
This won't be about the void lol

[cyan crest]

Void Dax open world

[scarlet basalt]

To be honest this would make pretty much sense with how we slaughtered the dax.

[rain otter]

Like the Tenno killed a bunch of Dax after the Old War and then the rest of them just died in the following wars.

But we haven't ever had a Dax Villain in game other than slightly fighting Teshin.

[cyan crest]

I'd say to pin the duviri lines without duviri just in case, but I forgor that only worked in the arg lol

[rain otter]

Also the Stranger probably won't be a Villain probably the main NPC but he will probably be Hostile for a little while at the start.

I just wanna see a Dax that isn't like Tenno focused.

[cyan crest]

I don't think the stranger is mask guy, mainly because mask guy is not hooded

But mask guy just radiates villain energy

[rain otter]

Maybe? Either way I want a non Orokin Villain or Hostile Force

And if they are a Dax that's even more interesting.

[scarlet basalt]

Yooo imagine "All that matters is how you play the hand you're dealt"
Just meh theory :
The gameplay would be drastically different in term of syndicate,meaning that there would be 2 syndicate that would be against each other to rule the Duviri plane (but the tubificid would still be the dominant one).
So it mean that you can go negatively in standing like the 3 vs 3 syndicate 🤔

[rain otter]

I wanna be real with ya Chief

Negative Standing Is terrible

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah if DE go with that this would be terrible for duviri

[rain otter]

And it's one of the 2 big things stopping the og 6 Synd from mattering.

Like there could be multiple Factions (I doubt it) but it wouldn't be in DEs best interest to do negative standing again.

[scarlet basalt]

Yep that would be a bad thing.
Unless they could try do something with it but it's a doubter ngl
BTw i was thinking about this house,or whatever this is,i find it very strange because it doesn't look orokin but maybe tenno ?

[rain otter]

It looks kinda like the Zariman stuff

Like before old war but Civilian or citizen and not Orokin or anything.

[scarlet basalt]

Zariman seems to be a mix between orokin and tenno which is great to show how the tenno try to detach themselves from the orokins (maybe this is a stretch but philosophically that would be something good ?)

[rain otter]

It wouldn't it couldn't be

"Tenno" cuz they didn't exist when it was made.

[scarlet basalt]

Yep,tenno is post incident.
But seems that their architecture took a little bit from the zariman and made something "new"

[rain otter]

That's why I say it's citizen architecture. Cuz the gold is added to show that the orokin are the rulers but without the gold the Zariman stuff is just average Citizen architecture.

[icy ore]

Will duviri ennemi be like Zariman (grineer and corpus) or will it be corrupted/orokin enemies ?

[cyan crest]

We do not know

We know only one, and it is a corrupted dax

[supple dagger]

[cyan crest]

The main villain figure is also wearing Dax armor

[cyan crest]

Any mention of Duviri was cut so any of those lines is not relevant to the duviri update

[supple dagger]

||teshin beyond the grave?||
||im kidding||

[cyan crest]

I wouldn't discard it

But I hope it's not him

[supple dagger]

even me

[supple dagger]

ngl first line sounds rather familiar to a game i used to play on my Xbox

[past kiln]

hoping it’s ballas and we can help him establish narmer in duviri

[scarlet basalt]

That would be funny :
"Tenno, Conclave was our ultimate way to defend our solar system,yet you haven't done it. Now i'm "dead"."

[icy ore]

Is there anyone still playing conclave ? And are the index and Rathuum equivalent of the conclave?

[scarlet basalt]

Conclave exist but few people play actively on it.
It's because of the community being driven on Power fantasy on PVE and also that DE Forgot about it.
(they also didn't Forgot about lunaro in a way with ATZ

[elder leaf]

Guys 1 question im playing the new war quest i can keep ordis like a pet

[fleet veldt]

Ordis has a Sentinel skin.

[zenith jacinth]

100 plat

[swift pond]

And that's my reminder to get back on the trade grind

[supple dagger]

how about no

[dense crown]

I don't think DE "forgot". I think the community just got so toxic about it, so "anti-Conclave" or "anti-PvP" more specifically, that it just wasn't worth the extra effort and expense to keep developing it for the time being.

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah that would be rigth

[fossil fractal]

hope its ballas so i can get my kill back

lotus steal my kill

i love space mom but that was my kill 😦

[zenith jacinth]

People are also anti-aoe, yet it's still the best way to go about things

[cyan crest]

Who is anti aoe in a horde shooter??

That's shooting yourself in the foot
And it will only hurt your foot because it doesn't have aoe

[zenith jacinth]

I'm anti aoe because I need more than just click-death gameplay

And because I like getting kills myself instead of explosions just going off everywhere killing everything that breathes before I can get to it

[fleet veldt]

Unfortunately, 90% of melee weapons are incapable of executing their combos at this time.

[gilded sierra]

Playing solo fixes alllll of your issues. and also thats an issue in you not keeping up.

[sharp spoke]

Definitely agree there. I make my loadouts with fun combat in mind, but 75% of the time when I'm joining random squads there's a Wukong with a Bramma speeding through and blinding me with explosions while killing everything in a room at once 😎

[zenith jacinth]

I move at the same speed but they have more range

[gilded sierra]

??? then idk, branch off from them. maps arent always single path

[zenith jacinth]

Hydron, zariman exterminate

The only missions I play nowadays

That's why I go there

But I still want to kill stuff

[gilded sierra]

ye well, then go the other option: ESO and SO

[zenith jacinth]

That's even worse here

[gilded sierra]

nah

[zenith jacinth]

I mean that there's even more aoe users there on switch

[gilded sierra]

I personally never had any significant trouble with AOE players, even when using single target (tenora, Shedu, melee, and that one assault gun with 3 firing option from zephyr)

I dont remember the name

anyway, I've never had issues with monkeys cuz I usually let em run and have fun on another zone

[scarlet basalt]

That sound so weird that after duviri.
Nothing is known, no one know what they will bring post duviri. (maybe 3rd orb mother and some change ?)
Like from 2019 - 2022 we knew almost everything that they are working on (with some added + like Deimos)

[gilded sierra]

because the "old-new" content is now all done, now its all new stuff, everything is now being worked on from the beginning and being just started, New war was something they had been working on for ages and finally it came out, and now they are starting up the working engines on full strength to make new stuff

[thick jolt]

wonder if they are closer to making modular archwings because i just noticed they updated ameshas ability effects

[scarlet basalt]

yep,now we won't know what they will give us.
That sound so strange in a way because we got the habit to know what big update they're supposed to give us. now it's brand new

[gilded sierra]

I like it this way better tbh, now we get to be surprised :)

[thick jolt]

well except for the tennocon teaser lol

[scarlet basalt]

tbh,they could also make something like that : one tennocon that will explain what they will give us throughout some years and then releasing at their own paces.
But in a way that would be annoying because we won't be surprised

[gilded sierra]

oh I'm sure we will learn a lot in tennocon for all the plans of the year, with footage and brand new quests for the futur, perhaps even new warframes or gamemode, but at least I'm fairly sure we will get to keep a bit of mystery

[fleet veldt]

DE did update Odonata's ability icons as well a little while back. Baro was also selling an Archwing skin this week too.

[thick jolt]

i only realised now but it would be cool if it was a sign of progress on the modular archwings

[hollow radish]

NGL, I do want to see more integration between railjacks and main gameplay. At the very least I'd like to see tilesets rearranged for logical consistency. It's not much of a problem, granted, but I'd like to see windows that don't show empty space... Then have sections of the level that wrap around behind the empty space scene.

The grineer shipyard and galleon tilesets are the most noticeable cases.

Or at least, have been in my experience.

[fleet veldt]

I can relate to this, even with Corpus tilesets.

[wild copper]

depends on what you want to use it for
eidolons? angels? normal enemies? void status? etc

[errant charm]

I cant blame people for being anti-pvp, Lots of people find no enjoyment from it and for me at least I always worry about where the nerfbat may swing in the name of balancing it. my bad taste comes from when WoW put Arena in, And they swung the nerfbat with reckless abandon to make their pointless attempt at turning WoW into an esport work.

[zenith jacinth]

Any game that wasn't made for pvp shouldn't try to make it work

[frail nymph]

People knew what was coming next year since 2017, not just 2019. Tennocon used to have kind of one-year-in-advance announcements as a normal thing everyone enjoyed.

We don't know now, because people made a huge misinformation storm about New War delays and changed their mind 180° about getting Tennocon announcements that are a year in advance. (So many people still unironically believe the New War quest we got was 4 years worth of work from "lazy" DE)

DE stopped announcing things in advance ever since 2020 because of that.

[fleet veldt]

DE also did a massive change on the content they showed in Devstreams as a secondary reaction. This resulted in DE being unable to show any future content outside of what is imminent, like with Angels/Echoes of the Zariman, and the kind of showcases they used to do being sidelined for Tennocon exclusively.

[supple dagger]

.

[plush swan]

I'd really rather see archwings-as-separate-ability-sets replaced with use-your-Frame's-abilities-in-flight-mode.

I'd like it if I could still use each Archwing's key abilities somehow (Odonata shield, Elytron's guided missile, Amesha's everything...), like maybe as extra Helminth abilities or smth, but...

[frail nymph]

I wouldn't count on it until after Duviri

Especially cause no content so far since 19 has required archwings and Duviri def won't

[frail nymph]

?

[supple dagger]

if ur using adult operator and u finish the zariman quest is your operator supposed to go back to the teenage model?

his face isnt supposed to look like that

[zenith jacinth]

Glitch

[zenith jacinth]

Vallis and drift didn't require guns and poe didn't require melees

[daring blaze]

Ayatan?

[echo pollen]

Aren't the Tenno basically weaponized children piloting biomechanical suits?

[river willow]

Yes

[lone axle]

weaponized children and adults if you've finished the new war

[river willow]

well actually we're weaponized children with void powers piloting biomechanical suits

[sharp spoke]

• made from the diseased bodies of (often unwilling) test subjects

[real niche]

Well, drones would be the better term since the frame isn't being worn

[lone axle]

ballas does describe them as such
"We set them on the battlefield, bio-drones under our command."

[icy dawn]

||The controls in veso's part says to click rb and x a or y but its actually lb not rb and they didnt fix it||

also idk how to summon a specific one cause i csnt change like abilties in wf

[sharp spoke]

You have to summon them from their specific thingies. Like, shield drone has its own unique spawn point, as do the others

[icy dawn]

ohh so thats why some stuff doesnt seem to work

[frank cloud]

I turned my operator into a power ranger. No apologies are forthcoming.

[rain otter]

That used to be people.

[wicked iron]

Go, Go, Operangers!

[frail nymph]

The rest of the game requires strong melee and guns, just as much as those two locations do.

Archwing meanwhile...

[rain otter]

Only requires Masulon

Masulon 100 years Masulon forever.

[twilit geode]

I’m still hoping DE gives us Archwing melee on the ground like archwing guns. Slow swings but massive satisfying slams with heavy damage.

[dense kayak]

first introduce content that requires archmelee

[twilit geode]

Archmelee is still what I usually use in typical archwing content, with the auto lock on and squishy enemies. But guns rule supreme in railjack.

[dense kayak]

u gotta do what profit taker did so either new orb in vallis or new boss fight

[icy dawn]

Do you guys know if I can still trade while doing the new war?

Or do I have to complete new war before I can trade?

[frail nymph]

You have to complete

You can't do anything except the New War

[icy dawn]

ripperoni

[icy dawn]

Welp so far I’m already hating new war and I wish I never tried this in the first place

[icy dawn]

How long is this quest? I’m up to the part where the kids are learning on the tv or so

[frail nymph]

You're about 1/2 done

But that depends on how quickly you finish the next two missions

[icy dawn]

Oh my god I just want it to end

[frail nymph]

Welp, then gotta finish it

[frail nymph]

As for the Drifter gameplay itself, you're 1/3rd done... Without spoilers, the next two will be the toughest and the third will be easiest... parts of that gameplay

[icy dawn]

Oh

[frail nymph]

The mechanics change and it gets a lot easier after those missions.

[icy dawn]

Those cones in the spy mission do not accurately represent how far they see

They can see me from China and back THROUGH A WALL

[frail nymph]

Those are just to represent the horizontal angle yes. Vertical angle, which is what controls distance, just consider it infinite

No more stealth if that's particularly what you hate

[icy dawn]

I was killing the rhino archon and got him to 25% health, then my controller batteries died

[zenith jacinth]

Oof

[icy dawn]

Then while I was changing the batteries he killed me AND used my hunhow revive

So now I GET TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN

[frail nymph]

Well you get three hard fights now instead of two

[icy dawn]

I’ve lost too much sanity on warframe and I’m not even halfway through

[zenith jacinth]

Not that hard once you understand how to dodge them tbh

[frail nymph]

I've lately been fascinated by how much the WF playerbase varies

[icy dawn]

It wasn’t that issue, it was the fact that the rhino scummed me out and killed me while my batteries died

[frail nymph]

I would've preferred the Archon fights at least thrice as hard

[icy dawn]

I was doing really good up until that happened and now I’ve lost my will to play or do the quest

[subtle swallow]

isnt that the wolf archon?

[zenith jacinth]

Yep

[frail nymph]

It's just one fight...

Anyway, good luck

[subtle swallow]

the wolf was a little rough imo

[zenith jacinth]

Amar and the snake were the easier two for me

[icy dawn]

It’s not that the wolf is hard, it’s that it scummed me out

[frail nymph]

Amar was better than Nira for me

[icy dawn]

It killed me while I was trying to change batteries and I had to do it All over again

[frail nymph]

It's not like he knows your battery percentage lol

[icy dawn]

I think I’m done with new war for today

I’m not fighting him twice, I give up

[zenith jacinth]

That's kinda your own fault for going in with nearly empty batteries

[zenith jacinth]

Opposite here

[icy dawn]

Totally not like I threw a cup at my tv after that happened

[frail nymph]

Might be cause of replay though, I fought Amar first only on the second playthrough

[icy dawn]

The fact I have to play railjack was already making me want to die

[frail nymph]

?

[icy dawn]

And the abilities on the characters don’t even work half the time

[subtle swallow]

railjack takes like 4 minutes max in new war tho

[frail nymph]

It's like 30 seconds of Railjack

[zenith jacinth]

You are unlike any other wf player I know

[subtle swallow]

you fly in a straight line

[icy dawn]

No I had to kill stuff

[frail nymph]

I never had issues with any abilities, super bad luck I guess

[frail nymph]

For about 30 seconds yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Got no seeker volley?

[subtle swallow]

the levels are also like

[icy dawn]

No I didn’t touch it until new war

[subtle swallow]

really low on that quest

[icy dawn]

I made it then never touched it because I never wanted to touch it

[frail nymph]

Welp, I'm glad I like all parts of Warframe enough to at least not have a bad time I guess

[icy dawn]

I might just look up a yt video how to connect my controller so it doesn’t die

[zenith jacinth]

Rj is my favorite thing in the game, so I actually didn't like how little was in tnw

[subtle swallow]

you just wire it in

[icy dawn]

Or maybe I’ll just completely abandon warframe like I did the first time I tried the game

I’m depressed just thinking of the new war

Nvm just gonna go take a nap and search up some yt later on

[zenith jacinth]

My rj is so aggressively maxed that I barely ever find parts that are better than the ones I use

[frail nymph]

It's fine IMO... Cause it was mostly a "proof of completing enough of the game" so whatever

IKR the choice between this max rank gun and that max rank gun

[frail nymph]

F

You do you, and good luck doing it I guess

[zenith jacinth]

The game is a grind. If you're too impatient (or something) for it, the game's not the right game for you

[frail nymph]

I prefer to say it is what it is... The grind is a lot shorter than most people put it like. The necessary parts I mean

[zenith jacinth]

I got accurate gunners, maxed seeker volley and lavos. Nothing survives there

[subtle swallow]

voidrig grinding was annoying but i kinda liked the others= grinds

[frail nymph]

Yeah but even with the longer older voidring grind it takes 100 hours from the beginning of the game to finish every quest... (Excluding AoZ based on my friendo)

[zenith jacinth]

I bought voidrig. Should've bought bonewidow.

[subtle swallow]

me grinding both like an idiot

[frail nymph]

Hehe hindsight is a B

[zenith jacinth]

At the time I did it sevagoth was the newest warframe though tbf

My grammar is die

[frail nymph]

Don't worry 90% of my messages have been (edited)

[zenith jacinth]

I just saw 360° immortality and went "that's better than just a shield"
The shield has more hp and the shield mech can heal itself

[north trail]

Tbh it doesn't matter

For tnw at least

[zenith jacinth]

For other content it does, bonewidow has so much more survivability

[supple cedar]

Anyone have the bug where in the new war ||lotus lockes you in an attack and you have to kill sentients around her, my issue is that one spawned way out of my reach,|| what do I do?

[rain otter]

You just mouse the mouse to hit the Sentients right?

Cuz you are controlling a beam.

[supple cedar]

Yes, only problem is that it spawned where my mouse can’t reach it

Which is literally right behind me

So what do I do? I literally can’t hit it, I’ve tried

[rain otter]

Close game open back up game.

[supple cedar]

Which I don’t want to do, ugh

[orchid remnant]

i remember running into this problem it was really annoying

what i had to do was i had to keep trying to get my mouse past the focusing boundary and as it travelled back i would hit the sentient little by little

[supple cedar]

DE can’t fix anything can they, I’m legit starting to get sick of issues like this because I encounter them rather frequently

[orchid remnant]

not sure if it's feasible in your case though

[supple cedar]

It could be, regardless I’m understandably pissed

Yeah I don’t think I can do it, every time I hit it it moves further out of my range

DE needs to fix their game, I’m so sick of this crap

Restarted, gotta do the entire mission over again, if this bug occurs again I’m done,

[frail nymph]

Report it either way, with logs and stuff

[flat shadow]

Bugs can only be fixed after they are found. Sometimes they find them before they reach us, but there are many that make it through testing. If DE doesn't find it, and players don't report it, it can't get fixed.

[fossil fractal]

by sentients do you mean the big brownish-gold sphere things

[cyan crest]

They mean the 2 sentients that appear right beside Lotus when you're chasing her

[fossil fractal]

i forgot that bit

[scarlet basalt]

Guys i have the worst theory : duviri paradox will lead us that our operator swear in game.

[flat shadow]

Eh. Not likely.

[scarlet basalt]

i still don't understand how the drifter is cursing but not our operator.
Like,what if duviri's enemies are cursing,shouting at you

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter grew up in a much less sophisticated environment

Meaning they weren't taught not to curse

[frail nymph]

MFW cussing reserved for Orokin

[glossy pebble]

Corrupted Captain Vor took all my swear words, can’t have nothin in the void

[icy dawn]

Eyo what the heck going on with sev’s shadow

[north trail]

Piss
-The holdfasts

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus : Starchild,don't talk like that. Or i will punish you,you don't want that do you ?

[north trail]

"I'll let you swear, only if you agree to be reborn through the power of the JANUS KEY"

[scarlet basalt]

Imagine if the duviri dax will scream at you,cursing you...
This would be glorious ngl

[north trail]

The stranger guy on the throne slamming his fist

I can imagine him cursing in that scene

[north trail]

You know what the greatest plot twist would be

[scarlet basalt]

hoping that we will get a fist fight against him 🙏

[north trail]

Ballas used the janus key to make the veils

And the reason wally appeared is he wanted to take the key and destroy it so vor could never monolouge again

That's my headcanon until proven otherwise

[torpid lantern]

The operator has cursed too. I heard it either in TNW or AoZ but just less often. The dialect between Op and Drifter are completely different. OP tends to use perfect grammar while Drifter primarily uses Slang

[zenith jacinth]

Op only uses hek

[kindred briar]

anyone know why this S appears every time I swap to operator?

[velvet spoke]

i believe that is something they added after AoZ. its the symbol for your focus school you have equipped.

[kindred briar]

ah

I see, ty

[flat shadow]

Yeah, that's the madurai symbol. Change your school if you don't like the look of it.

[kindred briar]

I like it personally, looks like the Stalker mark

[zenith jacinth]

When you forget what you school's symbol looks like

[torpid lantern]

I do think it's sorta weird though

Is it just so people remember what focus school they have or is this some crazy lore that the Op has to make smoke signals on the ground every time they transfer out

[zenith jacinth]

Or so other players know which focus you're using

[glossy pebble]

Thank you for flying on the Zariman

Some side effects include:
Nausea
Existential Crisis
Seeing double
Forgetfulness

Contact your local Cephalon if you experience the symptoms of Cardiac arrest, entering a rip in space time, or there are sentients present

[north trail]

Madurai = cool s?

[north trail]

Meanwhile zenurik players casting wellspring everywhere:

[zenith jacinth]

It's actually a ♾️-sign

[kindred briar]

yes

Madurai = 8

[frail nymph]

I'm gonna be the unwanted lore police who says Sentients didn't exist back thn

[rain otter]

This is actually a debate

On if they existed back then or not but if they did they would only be in tau not anywhere near the Zariman.

[glossy pebble]

They did exist just not where the Zariman was present, I kinda just thought of a joke on the spot

[rain otter]

Maybe?

We don't know when Zariman happened in relationship to when the Sentients where thought of /sent to tau.

[frail nymph]

Not really it's not.

Sentients cannot exist at the time of Zariman. The Zariman is stated to be the first, most perilous voyage, that sets up a colony and an external solar rail for everyone who will follow, by Tuvul.

Basically, Zariman was the original plan. When it failed, Sentints were made so that they could do the same plan a bit differently.

Zariman can't be later, because if Sentients had already been sent to make the rail, Zariman's purpose would not have been to make a rail.

Not to mention the fear they had of Sentients turning against them before they even allowed their creation.

[rain otter]

Could still be the first voyage cuz I wouldn't call sending out mining drones a voyage. Also Sentients could have built most of the rail but colonist still turn it on OR they could try both at the same time or Sentients where a backup plan idk I wanna know more specific timeline stuff.

It is most likely it was before though.

[frail nymph]

Sentients, when they were designed, were intended to set up the rail as well as begin Terraforming by themselves.

So more than just to keep a rail ready for someone like Zariman crew to turn on... Also in that case why would Zariman be a colony ship instead of a transport ship?

The constant fear with Sentients was that they would turn against the Orokin. They were assuming that it likely won't work out well. The creation of sentients was barely allowed, only because of two things:

1. Sentients were expected to go rogue but were designed to be weak to void for that reason.
2. The Orokin were desperate enough to do something so riskly just because many previous attempts had failed

[rain otter]

cuz the Tau where preparing the System

to be colonized

[graceful zodiac]

It still need to be a colony ship to actually set up places to live, build up, etc. But in the end, the most we can say is the Zariman was before the completion of the Solar Rail

[next valley]

Doing one of the dumbest things I can think of.
Can you beat every boss level purely in spoiler mode?
Rules:

• No warframe weapons or abilities are to be used. In fact, unless you need the Parazon, you have to stay in Operator mode.
• If you take lethal damage in Operator Mode, you fail the mission and have to start over.
• The Parazon may be used for enemies that require it (Jackal, Lich, Sister, etc)

Assassinations
Tolstoj (Cpt. Vor): Yes
Fossa (Jackal): Yes
Oro (Vay Hek Terra): Yes
War (Lt. Lech Kril): Yes
Iliad (The Sergeant): Yes
Exta (Lech Kril/Vor): Yes
Themisto (Alad V): Yes
The Ropalolyst: Technically no. Your warframe is required to drive the Ropalolyst into the towers.
Naamah (The Raptor):
Tethys (General Sargas Ruk):
Titania (Tyl Regor):
Psamathe (Hyena Pack):
Hades (Ambulas):
Jordas Golem: No. Archwing required.
Mutalist Alad V:
Merrow (Kela De Thaym):
Magnacidium (Lephantis):
Exequias (Zealoid Prelate):

Special
Treasurer: Easily
Stalker:
Vault Guardian:
Acolytes Malice, Violence, Torment, Mania, Angst, Misery:
Wolf (unsure if available):
Void Vor:
Void Angel:
Lich (Stats attached):
Sister (Stats attached):
Eidolon Teralyst: Not at my skill and gear.
Eidolon Gantulyst: Not at my skill and gear.
Eidolon Hydrolist: Not at my skill and gear.
Grustrag Three
Zanuka

[rain otter]

The Vey Hek would would be really really easy.

Run past him to the

Arena and then kill him.

[next valley]

Say wha

Don't you also need to get in a ton of head shots tho

[rain otter]

@next valley you font have to fight him until the arena you can just walk past him

And he will move to a different area.

Until the very last arena and then you have to shoot his face a bit but that's way less than fighting him in each area before then.

[next valley]

Oof ok, lemme try that lol

[rain otter]

But yeah each like place just find the way to actually leave

And he will also move to the next place.

[next valley]

Well it worked, but why were there so many butchers? I'm using the Sirocco and the fire rate is only so much lol

[vital creek]

hmm i might try this as well

should actually be quite doable with focus 3.0, and i'm not even remotely close to maxed out op stuff

[next valley]

Ropalolyst is impossible with those set rules
I'm using level 1 arcanes n such, it's mostly just an excuse to grind out the 1k op kills for the sekhara

[vital creek]

hmm i think i'll run emergence savior and husk

[next valley]

I think I have Emergence Savior (1) and whatever one gives 100 hp on op out

[vital creek]

i think my savior is rank 3

[next valley]

I'm mostly worried about some of these late game enemies I've never actually gone against except with a Vouban. Gotta be direct with em now lol

[vital creek]

lich/sister and eidolons will be interesting

ugh i'm not going through the hassle of getting wolf to fight me

[next valley]

Actually I do need an opinion- Should the lich/sister be counted at Rank 1, Rank 5, or confrontation?

[vital creek]

hmm imo it would fit the challenge best to go from start to confrontation using op

[next valley]

Oofers that's a grind

Also, I haven't even made it to sargas, this boio so grindy to get through lol
Update: Ok so I just would Flechette Sargas, soooooooo it's wiki time lol

[rain otter]

Told ya.

[next valley]

I forgot the Grustrag so lemme just-

[rain otter]

make a 747

[next valley]

Boeing?

[rain otter]

No

[next valley]

Then I got nothin

[rain otter]

Let me

Get the chart.

Here is the chart @next valley

A 747 is a kismora phahd Certusm

[next valley]

Ahh

So a crit-based... ricochet shotgun?

[rain otter]

The alt fire is a 4 cuz it's good with the like last gasp passive.

Also the primary is basically a hyper Beam.

Kills basically anything. Make sure to gild it.

[astral stream]

I just use 1-7-7

[rain otter]

Shhhhh

Hyper Beam.

[vital creek]

oh boy ambulas is fun, makes me wish i had unairu for the op funny

well ambulas should be theoretically doable, gonna be a long fight to see if i can actually win

barely beat ambulas, turns out it still counts as a win if you hit 4/4 hacked and 3/3 lost at the same time

[next valley]

Oof

I feel like, since my laptop is locking the controls quite often, I won't even be able to START Ambulas

[vital creek]

i don't think it would be possible with a sirocco unless you have unairu decently leveled

[next valley]

I uh
Lemme check but it's not decently leveled

[vital creek]

very specifically the armor strip

[next valley]

I'm on Vazarin

[vital creek]

my naramon is almost maxed out in terms of what is relevent for this challenge and I was barely getting through the time limits with a 747

[next valley]

I've yet to unlock Unairu

[vital creek]

probably not possible with vazarin

[next valley]

The 2 it gives is good for quickly getting trash enemies out of the way

[vital creek]

i was pretty much oneshotting all the trash enemies, ambulas is just super tanky without an armor strip and has enough damage to be easily fatal since i don't have unairu waybounds

i think savior kicked in every single round

[next valley]

Savior saved my rear like, 3 times against sargas

Mostly because the windows tab thing kept going "you caaaaaaalled?"

[scarlet wagon]

Do u know when it's the next prime ? because in 3 days it will be 3 months garuda PA will be out

[spark herald]

There will be no major updates until after tennocon.

[torpid lantern]

Friendly reminder that this channel is for discussing unreleased content.
Discussing older gameplay topics can be done in one of the various console discussion channels. Such as #pc-discussion

[frail nymph]

The Zariman would not exist if the sentients had already been sent. Too risky. And even if they took the risk, Tuvul would not mention that all voyages that follow the Zariman would have the benefit of a solar rail.

Plus, during the period when Zariman was believed to be possibly successful, Sentients would have been completely pointless and obsolete.

[frail nymph]

That was the job of the Zariman too, before sentients were invented. Sentients are not special at all in their terraforming ability, terraforming can be done easily by the Orokin at any time. The Sentients are special in their ability to fly to Tau through regular space without dying.

[next valley]

Question I've been trying to answer- How big is the Zariman?

Lookin at the sprite for it there's at least 39 floors on this thing...

[orchid remnant]

It’s very very big

[frail nymph]

The capital ships that approach it are kind of relative in size... It's not much more than 6 times bigger than the biggest Corpus and Grinner ships, I would guess.

[dense kayak]

the zariman proxima 😱😱

[scarlet basalt]

Big enough to think that it stuck the void or it's stuck because of the void

Maybe it's as big as the gaping mouth that is the void storm ?

[next valley]

Is that a thing?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[dense kayak]

nah but it’d be cool if it was yknow

[zenith jacinth]

It'd make no sense

How would that even work

[dense kayak]

idk it’d be cool if like we fight near a battle with a grineer galleon and a corpus obelisk

[zenith jacinth]

That wouldn't be zariman proxima, that's just rj missions that already exist

All other proximas are near/around/idk planets aside from the veil. I don't think zariman proxima would even be possible

[dense kayak]

with a grineer AND a corpus obelisk and DE could just put the zariman in the background it works bruh

[zenith jacinth]

I repeat this point, I think they need to be either near planets or just in open space

[dense kayak]

but what difference does that make tho 😭😭

[zenith jacinth]

And if a shot misses its target and hits the zariman we're gonna be in trouble

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

The zariman isn't a planet

[dense kayak]

okay how about this the zariman is far away we’re basically intercepting whatever faction wants to control the zariman

that has to make somewhat of a difference

[frail nymph]

That's... A summary of the Zariman missions...?

[pliant moth]

also the zaramin isn't planet sized either, it's just a colonist ship

[frail nymph]

Yup, Praghasa is way bigger

[thick jolt]

Would be fun seeing concept art of them side by side

[dense kayak]

damn alright stop crushing my dreams 😭😭

[carmine mirage]

where do i farm gallium

[glossy loom]

uhmm

[supple dagger]

hardest image to grace this server

[cinder kiln]

@supple dagger only thing I know is that they are machines for war.

[frail nymph]

Huh?

[cinder kiln]

Nvm, go to gameplay discussion to understand.

[lone axle]

mrwolf please play through the sacrifice

[frail nymph]

Wait so you finished sacrifice but you don't know about the infestation?

[slim anvil]

this is a skipped dialogue moment

[frail nymph]

They finished everything before new war

[frail nymph]

Watch a sacrifice cutscene compilation

Wait I'll send

[frail nymph]

https://youtu.be/4e27E2WmedE

Recommended watching this instead of explanations. Explanations are boring

[cinder kiln]

The only dialogue I skipped in the intire game.

[slim anvil]

[frail nymph]

You wanna watch video or just want explanation?

[cinder kiln]

Explanation

[real niche]

Short of it is:
Those aren't machines.
They're people.

[supple dagger]

hehehehehehehehe

[frail nymph]

Sentients were hacking into Orokin hi-Tech weapons and turning it against the Orokin.

Their soldiers, like Dax, were losing pretty badly.

So they invented the Warframes

The inspiration was infestation. They tried infesting the sentients, but it didn't work

So they infested their soldiers instead. And Warframes were created

Controlled version of the infestation was used, called Helminth. It was able to take humans and turn them into the first Warframes. Subsequent copies of each frame are made using blueprints

[cinder kiln]

Oh ok thanks .

[lone axle]

The Warframes could not be controlled. They turned against the Orokin, savage and raging. The Tenno, the Operator, provided a mutual bond for each Warframe, healing its mind.

Also the defense objectives are human volunteers letting themselves become warframes

[frail nymph]

Each of the frames you use even today are alive on the inside, in pain, internally...
Until you use them by calming them down permanently, and taking their pain on your shoulders instead, Just like you did with Umbra.

[orchid remnant]

"-we had created monsters we couldn't control."

i still feel something everytime i see that scene tbh!

[cinder kiln]

Oh so we are controlling some people who wish to die from the pain.

[frail nymph]

They don't wish to die anymore

[lone axle]

they no longer wish to, you controlling them is a therapy for both the operator and the warframe

[frail nymph]

Because you took their pain away. Like you did to Umbra

[cinder kiln]

Are they immortal?

[frail nymph]

If you mean do they age, no they don't

Operators on the other hand, do age

[real niche]

They aren't immortal in the full sense, biologically immortal (no old age) is covered though

[lone axle]

the operator doesnt age
the drifter did

[cinder kiln]

Not if they drank kuva right?( i didn't drink it)

[frail nymph]

It's not really therapy for operators anymore. Original transference was intended as a therapy, to allow them to walk around in new bodies while their dangerous true bodies could be stored safely in the dream.

But that changed with the war platform version of transference, aka second dream.

Your Operator is pretty harshly traumatized by taking Umbra's memories for themself

[real niche]

No, that's irrelevant to it.

[cinder kiln]

What is the "drifter"?if spoilers Don't say it

[real niche]

Spoilers

[lone axle]

kuva isnt for that
kuva is used to control the dax and to serve as a way for the orokin to move to new bodies once they died

[frail nymph]

Kuva didn't do anything to the operator

[cinder kiln]

Someone said it makes people immortal in the lore.

[frail nymph]

Only a certain application of Kuva. Kuva Liches are simply immortal

[frail nymph]

It was used for indirect immortality by Orokin, but not in the way Operator drank. It was used to move from an elderly dying body to a new child's body(yes this involved human trafficking), to live in more and more bodies and keep living forever, in a process called the Continuity. That's what the War Within was all about.
Operator didn't move to a new body

[cinder kiln]

Like memory transfer or soul transfer?

[lone axle]

soul transfer pretty much

and memory

[cinder kiln]

Ok thank you very much guys

[cyan crest]

Operator didn't age because of the long dream, but from Rell's quest we know that they should age when out of it

[rain otter]

If we put it on its side it's probably as big as like a Sentient Capital ship.

Not pergasa

Normal like Murex.

[zenith jacinth]

That is unknown

[frail nymph]

There's no other way to explain the events in TSD and Silvana's experience with transferring into Titania.

[vital creek]

TSD can be explained as op beginning to unlock transference on their own at long range

[zenith jacinth]

Titania was during orokin era, tsd could've also been transference

[frail nymph]

Doesn't make a difference whether it's Orokin Era, and TSD certainly can't be transference.

Rebecca even gave that scene as an example of how Hunhow (who described frames as lifeless metal puppets) doesn't know everything (during the playthrough streams before New War I think)

[vital creek]

It does make a difference what era it is though, we just have copied designs of the original frames

[frail nymph]

No, our designs are not at all different from old war era designs.

Our frames are exactly the same as the frames that existed during the old war, except maybe the first of each kind. (First Chroma, First excal, first Rhino, etc)

Besides, you can use your starter frame in TSD either way. And that one is literally from fhe old war

There's no reason to believe that the process making a new Chroma during the Old War was any different from what we do today in the orbiter

[lapis portal]

btw what is most efficient way to find pinion?

i'm guessing void angels

[frail nymph]

It's the only way to find pinions

And the only other way to get them is to trade resources with Yonta

[vital creek]

Void angels yea, bounties for killing them are a great way to not have to look for them

[lapis portal]

i found tier 5 bounty 2 days ago

where you have to wake up and kill an angel

reason why i need pinion and entrati

[zenith jacinth]

You can always find one in every mission, bounty only marks where it is

[vital creek]

Yea bounty just makes it easier

[slender pumice]

there’s tons of cool ppl who put markers on them

and to that i respect them

[lapis portal]

I'm doing bounties for entrati

And i just need to find angel??

Well I'm not killing angel alone cause i can't even find zariman acolyte solo

[lone axle]

anyone else wanna see an ostron set or a corpus crewman set for the drifter or is it just me

[dense kayak]

great idea now we wait

[rain otter]

There is a dormant angle in every level.

You just need to find it.

[lapis portal]

@rain otter

[rain otter]

I mean

They are only in

"Big rooms" and they just are still Angles.

[zenith jacinth]

Nice

[light tendon]

Oh yeah, Benmore

[short adder]

what

[cinder kiln]

Me while playing the ( I forgot ) quest : wait the grineer "Queens" are just two little girls !?!

[zenith jacinth]

One of them is, physically

The other is a dying old one

[cyan crest]

I wouldn't say that after looking at the elder queen cause... Uh... Yeah

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-queens-warframe-worm-worm-how-dare-you-gif-18357561

Yeah the big one is definitely not a Lil kid

[rain otter]

I'm still goin with

The Elder sister is Nora Night. This is the worst theory I have ever had but it is funny.

[torpid lantern]

[cyan crest]

It is indeed horrible but I mean
It's not the worst that has been posted here

[rain otter]

Lul

[fossil fractal]

let me try

[torpid lantern]

I once saw some pose that Ordis was a spy for Ballas

[fossil fractal]

operators are not real and we are all just lotus' hallucinations while she controls all the warframes solo

[rain otter]

The idea is Nora Night is the Elder sister in a New Body which is like I said like 99% it's not true.

[cyan crest]

Or the time someone said Stalker was the myrmidon because checks notes both kill warframes

[rain otter]

That doesn't work cuz he was a normal guard and then became the stalker.

[cyan crest]

They did not accept correction and acted like everyone who disagreed was stupid

[cyan crest]

Ah, the mandatory "everything is a dream" theory every franchise has

[rain otter]

The timeline for the Stalker and the Myrmidon doesn't line up.

[cyan crest]

A little tweaked but follows the same patterns

[rain otter]

Also the stalker is still very mysterious but whatever.

[cyan crest]

Ik, we told that person, they didn't want to listen

[rain otter]

Yee.

The Nova is the Elder Sister kinda lines up timeline wise but we have almost zero Nora Night timeline

[cyan crest]

Oh oh, I have another one, one time someone said the Rhino codex wasn't from the orokin era and was instead two random corpus people who somehow busted their way to Lua post-collapse

They again didn't accept correction and acted like everyone who disagreed was stupid

[rain otter]

That doesn't make sense either.

Especially with like the current lore the Rhino entry made sense.

Like I dont wanna say anyone could have guessed the Sacrifice story they couldn't but some people that like knew like most of the werid lore weren't surprised by the warframes are people revelation.

[torpid lantern]

Nora talks about her grandmother and her life. She sounds like she came from the present day colonies rather than in the past during the bloody dystopia that happened after the fall

[supple dagger]

isnt the stalker a sort of tenno?

[rain otter]

We don't know.

[green cargo]

I'd say yes he is.

[fossil fractal]

one thing i read was that if stalker was a tenno hed be up with the rest of tenno instead of down with low guardians

[rain otter]

I think it's way more likely he isn't a tenno but all the like Stalker Groupies are probably tenno.

[fossil fractal]

though why would any tenno want to betray the rest

[rain otter]

Idk

They vibe with Stalker.

[fossil fractal]

then hed kill them

if they were tenno

[torpid lantern]

Unless they had a ranking system. Varzia stated that the Orokin definitely did this. It's part of what created the Prime Vanguard. He could've been a really unskilled Tenno.

The thing is, if he wasn't a Warframe or Tenno at the time of the Tenno's betrayal, there is no way he could've become one. Everyone involved with the process likely got massacred

[fossil fractal]

it says just "tenno" not prime vanguard or anything else

[rain otter]

Did what?

[torpid lantern]

Prime Vanguard was the best of the best. Maybe Low guardians were the worst of the worst?

[rain otter]

Lmao.

[fossil fractal]

i think such a thing would be mentioned honestly

you could argue that when they say "honored Tenno" they are referring to the best of the best

but ill be honest i think it'll be 2035 before we get any actual stalker backstory

[rain otter]

Stalker and like the Unum are stuff DE can DIP A TOE back into later.

[torpid lantern]

Maybe... very very little of anything back then got mentioned. And the Stalkers past was supposed to be mysterious to make Second Dream more convincing. I'm not surprised there's little about him, though I wish there was more

[rain otter]

A well that isn't empty yet.

[fossil fractal]

at least we know hes not the myrmidon, or the man in the wall

[rain otter]

Yes

[torpid lantern]

[rain otter]

The Unum is the woman in the tower

[torpid lantern]

I hope we get to see Mitsuki in game

[rain otter]

Idk what who that is.

[torpid lantern]

She's a "certain blind girl" that helped Little duck find a void gate. She's from the comics

[rain otter]

Oh Her.

[torpid lantern]

She was taken in by the Quills to work for Unum so I was expecting to see her in the tower

[rain otter]

Hmmmmm all that made me think of was like the Unum might be a person in a machine.

[torpid lantern]

I have a feeling Unum is someone who used transference on a tower

[rain otter]

Maybe. There are a few things she could be.

[icy ore]

Each planet is a titan-sized Warframe

[rain otter]

Lul Transferance doesn't mean warframe.

[fossil fractal]

id love that but at the same time hate that

[rain otter]

Otherwise Necramechs are warframes and they are not.

[icy ore]

They… kinda are ? No ? I never really understood what necramech were…

[torpid lantern]

This made me think of Bionicle

[icy ore]

I always thought necramech were like proto Warframe

[rain otter]

Okay any machine well "machine" can have a transference bolt on it and be used by the tenno.

[rain otter]

They are more a old Prototype.

That Father made and they mostly where Entrati Guard Bots.

[torpid lantern]

I think Necramechs are made using corpses inside a machine exoskeleton from what I understand...
Oh gosh that sounds so morbid

[rain otter]

They aren't people.

The most they have is like a metal Skull on them.

[torpid lantern]

Well not living people, no.

[icy ore]

But since they were so effective, why did they not keep the idea and went with it ?

Is that a Father thing where he didn’t wanted to share the idea, or is it another thing

[fossil fractal]

warframes better

[rain otter]

Cuz not useful for covert ops.

[fossil fractal]

more mobile

more adaptable

mech just either shoot and slap or slash and slap

[rain otter]

Also not Mass producable I think.

[fossil fractal]

warframe can shoot, slash, all that stuff

[torpid lantern]

They're not smart

[icy ore]

Ok… and is Umbra a more advanced prototype or is it just something ballas did as a punishment ?

[fossil fractal]

ballas punishment i think

[rain otter]

Umbra is one of the last warframes made.

[fossil fractal]

pointless making a prototype when tenno already effective

[rain otter]

Because Umbra saw Ballas giving Hunhow the Secret of the warframes.

That was Umbras crime trying to expose Ballas's betrayal.

[icy ore]

Oh, ok, I see

[torpid lantern]

All Warframes are capable of moving. They have just been inhibited by some sort of tech implant so they don't go around killing mindlessly

[rain otter]

Also they have no memories.

Except Umbra.

[thick jolt]

Dont remember anything pointing to when umbra was converted what makes you think he was one of the last ?

[supple dagger]

arent warframes just metal bodys mind controlled by tenno?

like teshin using his mind control disk on us

[rain otter]

Cuz it old be towards the end of the war. If He was the one telling Hunhow how to win it and like doing the Whole Lotus thing.

[rain otter]

Did you play the Sacrifice?

[supple dagger]

i did

they used to be infested

i dont think they are anymore

[rain otter]

Okay it literally in that quest they are people infested

[supple dagger]

one warframe and its umbra

really diferent

[rain otter]

With the Helminth virus And that's warframes are.

[rain otter]

No The logs you are listening to are the ones umbra found Ballas giving to Hunhow.

So like it wouldn't make sense for him to be talking about Umbra

When Umbra gets turned into a Warframe for trying to expose Ballas for working with Hunhow.

[torpid lantern]

All Warframes are humans twisted into Warframe designs by infestation, specifically the Helminth strain. Ballas talks about how his people brutally captured and changed people into frames

[supple dagger]

just doesnt make sense to me that now modern day not old war that they would make them still out of infested people makes more sense for metal since we have developed mind control technology

[rain otter]

They don't make then outt people right now they copy blueprints.

It's how we make a Umbra from just Parts.

[supple dagger]

thats what i mean metal

[rain otter]

It's not metal

[torpid lantern]

No new Warframes are being created. Instead Tenno are using blueprints and materials to create copies of old frames

[supple dagger]

scanned

[rain otter]

If it's a perfect copy.

[supple dagger]

im just saying modern day ones we use are not infested

[rain otter]

They are

We just aren't using random people to make them.

[cyan crest]

They're infested, that's how the helminth can repair them and consume them

[rain otter]

Yeah

[torpid lantern]

They're exact copies of old frames

[supple dagger]

i give up

[cyan crest]

Eh, I still maintain we use those people on the cryopods
Who would be previously infested and without salvation I'm not a monster

[rain otter]

I about to say the Helminth wouldn't have to take care of them and be Able to mess with them if they weren't infested.

[supple dagger]

he consumes resources like metal

[thick jolt]

Also if warframes were synthetic we wouldnt need life support

[supple dagger]

he has the stomach equivelent of a volcano

[rain otter]

The Helminth says he is a Wetnurse

For the Frames.

[supple dagger]

i would assume tenno or materials that need oxygen like metal that rust without it

[thick jolt]

....

[rain otter]

Also the infested like invigorations and consuming them to re-spin the abilities in other frames. Only makes sense with like infested on infested Action.

[torpid lantern]

Someone once said there used to be a crewman inside of the Helminth tube when you crafted a new frame. I'm not sure if that's true because I had Helminth. I'll have to check on my new pc account

[thick jolt]

Youre really set on that huh ?

[supple dagger]

i mean there is evidence for both claims

[cyan crest]

Iron rusts WITH oxygen not without it

[thick jolt]

There is no evidence for your claim just your headcanon explanations

[supple dagger]

yeah i just found it out

[rain otter]

Helminth is a specific like Strain unconnected to any other Strain just to make warframes btw.

[supple dagger]

wait let me get this warframe with the helminth get their abilities?

[fossil fractal]

which helminth tube

[rain otter]

Hmmmm?

[supple dagger]

how do they get their abilities

[rain otter]

Have you not gotten the Helminth thing

From Diemos?

[supple dagger]

i have

[rain otter]

Okay.

[cyan crest]

Being infested with the helminth

And like with the extra systems and such

[supple dagger]

but why would they get mind control or like becoming a pixie like titania?

[cyan crest]

Oh and the infested bosses say they're your flesh you don't get more literal than that

[supple dagger]

send a screenshot

[rain otter]

This is Helminth taking in the warframes like Essence and then using it to respin it and put it in new warframes.