spoiler-chat

[supple dagger]

It's really not when Ballas was letting them kill everyone and mostly likely was just gonna replace them as the sole ruling power

[cyan crest]

Of course that doesn't justify anything he did but he sounded so sad it made me feel bad

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh his personnality seems to have destroyed his own self.
Losing margulis must have made him lost it.
Orokin are portrayed pretty badly to make them like a joke and they were very dictatorial people so they seems constantly angry so people are obedient to them.
Well pretty much they're full angry

[idle field]

Also few of the characters liked having the veil

[orchid remnant]

I really did feel a little bad for him when he was like “Mar-Margulis?” And reached his hand out

[cyan crest]

Yes
He was just so sad then, and he sounded so genuine I was like "oh poor guy, I like him when he's like this, can we keep him?"

I guess it's the voice actor's fault for being too good lol

That voice tone just

Dude dont make me feel empathy for the genocidal incel

[zenith jacinth]

Mostly solaris

[scarlet basalt]

Because he loved her but in a very obsessive way it seems.
Like : i don't want to lose you anymore so i should make you obedient to me.

[orchid remnant]

Fr, but the voice actor is actually a god like omg ballas voice

[idle field]

In a way his love in no different then anyone else. Alot of people fall so hard for someone they will do anything anything them to keep them

[real niche]

Like brainwashing them :D

[supple dagger]

It's very much not the same

[scarlet basalt]

There must be one dude that will say : he is a yandere

[past kiln]

that + his lines at the sun and act 3 throne cutscene are 👌

[idle field]

I mean sure it's different cause he acted on his power to keep.her

[cyan crest]

I don't know if that's the hill you wanna die on but alright

[supple dagger]

Ballas didn't really love her, he wanted possession of her. He couldn't stand the fact she could possibly love anybody else

[scarlet basalt]

The loss of margulis and then magically re appearing must have really messed him up ngl

[past kiln]

Natah put it pretty well, he wanted a margulis he could control

[idle field]

I mean I'd never force my wife to stay with me but it'll hurt and wish I'd done something different but not a veil lol

[undone forge]

He thought she was giving all of her love to the Zariman children instead of him

[supple dagger]

There's a reason he still let her die

[past kiln]

The actual margulis (he could not control her) dared to care for the Tenno slightly more than for Ballas

[idle field]

Warframes story is very unique

Wish they would work just as hard on content as they do for the story lok

[supple dagger]

Heck, Ballas even see her death as a comeuppance

[cyan crest]

I guess it's the voice actor who gave him that little bit of a genuine tone that made me feel bad
Yes, Ballas' way of "loving" Margulis was toxic af but when he was veiled... It's just that he sounded so sad and pure I just cannot be mad at veiled Ballas
Normal Ballas can die in a fire, but I want to keep veil Ballas like a puppy

[scarlet basalt]

He can't contend with the seven likely. So he had to let her die.

[idle field]

The voice actor is awesome

I try not to look up actors though cause it destroys the fantasy

[past kiln]

Veiled ballas as mission control

[cyan crest]

Actually, according to one of their legems, their laws, a capital punishment cannot be given without the unanimous approval from the seven
Ballas was part of the seven
He could've prevented it and he didn't

[past kiln]

Ballas: votes with the Seven to kill Margulis
Margulis dies
Ballas: why would the Seven do this?

[scarlet basalt]

So it mean that he also voted yes.
Must be really inclined to the law then.

[zenith jacinth]

I look up the voice actors to see if I can hear their voice more in like audiobooks and stuff

[wicked iron]

He was giving an ultimatum. Recant on caring about the children, or die.

[cyan crest]

Guess which one she chose

[scarlet basalt]

he is still alive
Well before tnw

[past kiln]

[cyan crest]

Honestly more power to her but like girl you got a life to live

[wicked iron]

Ballas got what he deserved.

[idle field]

I have slipped up and done that with anime lol actor from Naruto is in bleach

[zenith jacinth]

Bruh

[scarlet basalt]

i fixed it

[undone forge]

He got what he deserved

[wicked iron]

I'm glad it was Lotus who had the chance to carry out his sentence, after all he had put her through.

[zenith jacinth]

Only anime I watch is komi can't communicate. Familiar situations interest me.

[past kiln]

I mean maybe he got sucked into the void portal and brought narmer to duviri but who knows

[zenith jacinth]

You did not

[scarlet basalt]

??

[cyan crest]

Yup
Still, veiled Ballas got me conflicted
Stupid game and it's little parts getting me conflicted
Well, I guess it was only veiled Ballas so

[zenith jacinth]

It wasn't an ultimatum on his own life

[past kiln]

I do find it funny he didn’t make a failsafe with the veils to make himself immune to them

[scarlet basalt]

ohh on margulis's death i see

[wicked iron]

I honestly felt him being Veiled and acting that way for his last moment of life fit perfectly. He did brainwash Natah, after all.

[cyan crest]

Hubris

[past kiln]

Orokin moment

[zenith jacinth]

I do wonder why the creepy floaty dudes got a seizure when ballas got angry and gave us a meme

[idle field]

I'll just default to a love hate conflicting. I some good alot of bad in the actions. And without Ballas we wouldn't have the connections we do with characters in the game

[cyan crest]

Yes but that little part with him talking to Margulis... I don't know why but that single line gets my empathy running a lot
And Im one of the people who's sad about not stabbing Ballas themselves

[scarlet basalt]

"Return to the sender" i guess

[cyan crest]

BUT NOT THEM
Dies of cringe

[undone forge]

I couldn't feel any empathy for him after he took control of Natah and tried to get her to kill a Tenno for him

[idle field]

I'm a huge anime fan lol kinda an addiction

[zenith jacinth]

The human brain works in confusing ways, and I hate it. Often no reasons, no patterns, nothing. It just works, it just works...

[cyan crest]

I cannot feel empathy for Ballas
I feel empathy for Veiled Ballas, because that mind control persona is just so... I don't know, the voice actor just got me

[supple dagger]

It's not empathy, it's pity

[cyan crest]

I do not know why but I also cannot be mad at old ladies no matter how horrible they are
And that's bad because well old ladies can also be horrible people
But I just cannot avoid feeling empathy for them
Ballas just triggered that part of me when he got veiled for some reason

[zenith jacinth]

It's possibly the weakness he showed in that moment

[scarlet basalt]

it's more likely to be a moment where he show his true feeling towards Margulis ?
The veil being very strong on the desire,turning to someone's side and then acting on this weakpoint.
By transmitting his true feeling it show how is desire was supposed to be pure ?

[undone forge]

Yeah pity feels more fitting

[supple dagger]

There's a difference between empathizing and feeling sorry

[cyan crest]

I guess you're right

Anyway good night, sleep with uhm a firey death for Ballas, he sucks, see ya all

[zenith jacinth]

He deserved the death, but we saw how weak he could be shortly before his life got sucked out of him

Literally

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh the desire of ballas was pure.
But his actions and his mindset made him his desmise, he has done his own hell literally.
Dude needed therapy

[zenith jacinth]

Natah pulled a dementor's kiss on him

[cyan crest]

Dude also needed a chainsaw to the gut

[scarlet basalt]

Ballas should cheat death so we can combo him

[idle field]

He did deserve to die but least he died seeing her one last time in a happy way

Honestly this conversation is the nicest iv had. No one attacked each other while just talking about it. It helped me understand abit better then when people fight over it. Though I'm confused abitnon what wiki says too

But that's just frame lore

[scarlet basalt]

The wiki is weird.
Doesn't link to character's quote when you're looking at their page. nvm i can't see
Some misinformation,idk maybe more

[idle field]

Yeah cause I saw it say gyre was meant to bring joy and Octavia

[scarlet basalt]

Some character don't get their quote linked inside their page,that's meh

[idle field]

But wiki is misleading

Hey it was epic talking to yall. I..a go have dinner yall have an awesome day 😊

[wicked iron]

His desire was for a submissive Margulis he could control. I don't think I would call that pure.

[past kiln]

considering how he treated the actual margulis with a free will ^

[scarlet basalt]

Wouldn't his desire is to bring margulis to him ? But got corrupted because of the loss ? I mean,i would see that he is now extremely scared to lose "her" again. So his desire to bring margulis to him became so obsessive that he wanted the entire control.

[wicked iron]

He was part of the reason why she died, though. He wanted to control her from that moment where she first cared about the Tenno, if not before. That's why he gave her the ultimatum of abandoning the children, or death.

[scarlet basalt]

Oh yeah, he got corrupted by jealousy damn.
Bro needed a couple therapy but orokin society must have been like : "grow up"

[sharp matrix]

oh yeah i was being vague but yeah, it wasnt a hardcore question, more preciselyi meant which warframe would be able to represent the kuva grinners the most

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos with that upcoming skin, pretty much every graxx skin with the right color palette

[sharp matrix]

that skin will be for plats?

[autumn turret]

real money

[cyan crest]

In switch and other consoles I think they're all for plat

In switch it's for sure but idk bout other consoles

[autumn turret]

in consoles it is plat yes

[fossil fractal]

lavos has upcoming skiN???

[autumn turret]

tennogen yea

was shown last devstream(?)

[fossil fractal]

yes

i like lavos

[lapis portal]

https://youtu.be/qF9yDYeRZwE

[sharp matrix]

Gotta Forget it then lmao

[tribal hemlock]

guys? what should I do here?
got stuck here quite a while already :L

no, ramping the target does nothing at all

[fleet veldt]

Never used Forward Artillery? Get out of your helm and go to the gunner seat behind it in the same room/area.

[tribal hemlock]

I mean, how?

[fleet veldt]

Get out of your helm station. Turn 180 degrees. Walk straight forward until an interaction prompt appears. Interact. Hold fire key while aimed a target. Release when charged.

When out of ammo, craft ammo.

If this isn't common sense (which to me it has become due to experience) then you must've spent your Railjack time as a crewmate and never had to use artillery. Which should be impossible if you ever did Corpus Empyrean missions.

[obtuse gyro]

dudes a very new fella

[fleet veldt]

Th-then he's never even-
That must be very difficult; rushing through it all just for the quests without preparing accordingly is not the best idea especially when content after gets exponentially more difficult.

[obtuse gyro]

I wouldnt say rushing because homie has been in this channel multiple times over the course of what? 1 to 2 months asking for clarification on everything warframe

[fleet veldt]

Valid point.

[obtuse gyro]

at least homeboy aint going to be trying to argue about how to one tap with the forward artillery since he aint used it before

[tribal hemlock]

uhhh

you mean the giant laser canon?

[fleet veldt]

Yes.

[tribal hemlock]

oh, then I get it

[fleet veldt]

Yay. It is an awesome cannon though.

[tribal hemlock]

got it, thx

[tribal hemlock]

indeed, just kinda sad that it can't be charge-holded

[fleet veldt]

I seem to recall it being possible to hold the charge for a short time before it decides to fire of its own accord - like a bow.

[obtuse gyro]

I does, but I do think kirby means that you cant hold it indefinitely

[fleet veldt]

I can relate to that.

[tribal hemlock]

I do wish there is a railjack that could do that, or just hold longer

kinda annoying that you can't operate the whole thing alone

[cyan crest]

You can

Technically

[cyan crest]

Use crew members

[tribal hemlock]

can't hire any of it, no slot for them?

okay, after The New War, I just want to complain one thing

why is the shirt and other cloths jiggle alot???

[obtuse gyro]

gotta level your intrinsics, otherwise make spectres and leave them all over your ship

[tribal hemlock]

what should I do if those crew doesn't meet my requirement?

[obtuse gyro]

ngl I dont know much about optimising crew but Im pretty sure you can change them later on so early crew isnt too bad

[tribal hemlock]

god damn it

why aren't the tree yellow?

also is there a way to switch it back if I want to?

[zenith jacinth]

Weren't they always green? And no, there isn't

[tribal hemlock]

I mean, it was before

but not after the new war :/

also most of the tree were yellow, but these were not, which is kinda frustrating

I mean, c'mon

[zenith jacinth]

They seem to be evergreens

You know, trees that are... always green

[tribal hemlock]

then how do you explain these?

[zenith jacinth]

Different tree type

[tribal hemlock]

okay, how about, the whole environment?

it used to be green grasses, but now it's all yellow

[cyan crest]

I mean

Much of it burned down

That affects soil

[tribal hemlock]

there is no way to apply it back like skin system?

[cyan crest]

No

[tribal hemlock]

welp, this is annoying

like, the Plains of eidolon would be yellow-ish green because all of the tree were like, some green, some yellow

but it would be funny if it suddenly turned into one of the season lol

[zenith jacinth]

Have you seen the vallis?

[tribal hemlock]

the what?

[zenith jacinth]

Orb vallis

[cyan crest]

Fortuna, but like the open world

[tribal hemlock]

um, where?

[cyan crest]

You know Fortuna

The open world part

That has changed a loooot

[tribal hemlock]

o yeah, just found it

in the navigation :v

welp, one thing haven't changed yet lmao

[tribal hemlock]

welp, that's very true

[supple dagger]

i just got to the part where teshin died is that a checkpoint where i can leave and come back or nah

[zenith jacinth]

It saves whenever that funky wheel shows up

[supple dagger]

so i can exit the game and come back?

[zenith jacinth]

Probably

[supple dagger]

ffs ballas is a neek just stabbed me

[simple ember]

i was on new war quest rn it ask me to chose between operator and drifter what should i chose

[zenith jacinth]

Doesn't matter

[simple ember]

k

[zenith jacinth]

Though drifter does have some extra lines I think

[orchid remnant]

Just different ones

[zenith jacinth]

And extra ones about duviri

[flat shadow]

Slightly different lines, overall very similar. I found Drifter more amusing, but ymmv

[frail nymph]

In case anyone still thinks Tenno are immortal

[cyan crest]

They're not extra, they're just different

[frail nymph]

The angels are a moving because of the song, right? The song that began relatively recently because of Wally coming out? Or at least are conduits of some sort?

But they must have been moving before as well, since you see them crashed through windows in New war meeting Drifter scene...

The flashback however, didn't have angels. So if this is Drifter's Zariman, that happened with Drifter somehow surviving, and if this is Operator's Zariman, happened after the rescue when the ship must have been thrown back into the void for some reason...

[young fog]

hi

[wicked iron]

That doesn't necessarily mean we aren't. He might just not know as much about our capabilities.

[frail nymph]

Well yeah, but you know what I mean... Just adding to the pile

[cyan crest]

You know how there are sleeping angels that you need to wake up?

Angels seem to fluctuate between a sleeping state and a wandering state

[frail nymph]

Yeah but they are powered by the reliquary... Or is that because they're outside the void for now?

[cyan crest]

Them being powered by the reliquary, and only while outside the void, doesn't really mean they didn't move at all in the time the zariman was in the void

And that was a long time

Remember we only see Angels after the Z came back

In neither of the flashbacks there is an angel

[frail nymph]

I know, that's why I mentioned they must have moved...?

[frail nymph]

You see plenty of dormant angels in New War...

[cyan crest]

Yes, when we go explore it and meet the drifter

Not before

[frail nymph]

Oh I thought you meant we only see it after the events of this update

[frail nymph]

So yeah, no flashback angels... so would you agree with what I said about that?

[cyan crest]

Yup

That's another reason why I don't agree this is the drifter's Z

They don't mention the angels at all

[frail nymph]

They don't mention it, but they were happily living and eating in a Zariman that had Angels all over the place... in New War

[cyan crest]

I mean
All of them were dormant

[frail nymph]

But they must have moved at some point before that, and Drifter hasn't really been absent for that

Since there are angel statues that are crashing through windows

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine if one came in while they were eating and drifter just went "Well... muck."

[cyan crest]

Exactly
So I don't think this is drifter's Z

[zenith jacinth]

Or it's going the other way. Out from inside

[cyan crest]

For all drifter knew, those were just creepy void statues

[frail nymph]

OH that's what you meant

[zenith jacinth]

Is there glass on the floor?

[frail nymph]

But then who are the angels attacking if it was post-operator-rescue in operator's Zariman?

[cyan crest]

I don't follow

[frail nymph]

Like why are there angels smashing through windows in operator's Zariman, if they only came into existence after their rescue, leaving the ship empty?

[cyan crest]

According to Yonta, there are whole decks full of the things
Them crushing through the windows doesn't have to mean they're attacking someone, just moving through the whole ship ig

Or maybe the angel formed in the window?

The thing was already broken...

[frail nymph]

OH yeah! the angels are manifestations, not resurrections

[cyan crest]

Ooooh, we see adults going out into the void space in the Rell comic
If those became angels they would go back in the ship

[cyan crest]

I can't figure out if this is sarcasm

[frail nymph]

I meant that the angels are not made from the physical dead bodies

[cyan crest]

I mean
Yeah fair enough

I wonder if all the adults, the parents mainly, went through a holdfast state before turning fully or they just popped in Angel form

[frail nymph]

They are basically made of aya-like material, given that they are memory/conscious thought given form... So I guess some angels could have formed anywhere, with half memories, attempting to get back in. Even with nobody to fight

Holdfasts seem to be a newer thing as a result of whatever started AoZ

[cyan crest]

That thing being like Aya could explain the Thrax, well, existing
Huh

[frail nymph]

Yonta says that the voidplumes behave like Aya

[cyan crest]

And yet they can become Angels if given the right circumstances

[cyan crest]

I know, but like the thrax share the origin in the void and they must come from somewhere

Yonta even tells you to ask one where it came from

[frail nymph]

Listening to the song of the Reliquary seems to do that, so maybe Wally's actual presence in the void was causing instant corruption, but now the Reliquary can only do it moderately fast to the Holdfast?

[cyan crest]

Mmmm
We're balancing that anyway and now they're fine, so let's ignore the impending doom possibility for now

[frail nymph]

Which begs the question, why are the Holdfast the only people?

They did say they are the last remaining crew... Does that refer to remaining after the Zariman accident or remaining after everyone came back from the dead and became angels?

[cyan crest]

They're some of the ones that didn't have children

They call the crazed ones "the parents"

[frail nymph]

Kira had children, didn't she?

[cyan crest]

Maybe that influences it

[cyan crest]

Angel guy didn't mention any

[frail nymph]

Oh wait no that was some confusion during the ARG

[cyan crest]

None are mentioned through the logs nor through the tiktoks

[frail nymph]

I guess it'd be weird if only the Holdfast had no children on the whole ship either way, so it's not the answer I'm looking for anyway

[cyan crest]

Mmm but it's definately something to note

[frail nymph]

Yeah

[cyan crest]

Perhaps they're the only manifestations that could band up and didn't die right away?

The ship is dangerous

[frail nymph]

Oh yeah they were among the last to die without going mad...

Oh wait no Kira went mad

I'm still devastated at what happened to Kira ever since that last tiktok 😢

[cyan crest]

She deserved better :(

And Quinn stole my name so he's bad, it should've been him :(

[frail nymph]

Fortunately, it's not literally Quinn... So that kinda helps with the morality of working with him

[lapis portal]

imagine in future story as we play as drifter and at 1 point he picks up teshin swords for some reason

[zenith jacinth]

Not teshin's

Duviri reference

[lapis portal]

still teshin of drifters part used them

[past kiln]

Duviri Dax isn’t him

[supple dagger]

sineibe heko

wtf do i do

[cyan crest]

What

Wait I think I got it

First, not every Dax is Teshin

Second, the duviri swords are actually kind of different from regular nikana

[icy ore]

go around, by the other side

[hearty wasp]

Hey

[frail nymph]

What do you guys think about the following?

In the start of AoZ we ask the Lotus about what the Zariman's presence means... and we get the second image.

The memories of Margulis that Lotus has, are created from the Tenno. So if Margulis truly rescued Tenno, the Tenno would remember, and Lotus would know.

If Margulis was present to see the Chaos, why was it so different from the clean ship Kahleen saw according to the Codex entry?

So Which of the following would you agree more with?

A: The Ember Prime Codex is still correct and the ship returned spotless.

Lotus's memory is actually false, and this dialogue intends to initially misdirect but grant the realisation.
(Or) Lotus is not referring to the Zariman but only the bad memories of Tenno as the Hell and the Chaos. She knows that sending us back to the Zariman will somewhat put us back in that hell.

B: MarguLotus in AoZ is correctly remembering, and the Ember Codex is outdated.

The "hell" that she "brought us out from" and is "sending us back to" refers to the Zariman.

She saw the destruction, "the chaos," and not a clean, untouched ship.

A?

or B?

@cyan crest @fleet veldt ?

[wicked iron]

They're both correct, most likely. Remember, Eternalism.

[frail nymph]

That's... not what I meant...?

We can be sure there is another Kahleen in another universe and another Lotus in a third one for sure where both are individually true...

But this codex and this dialogue are from the same universe.

Unless you were kidding, in which case I am dummy dum dum

[fleet veldt]

C: all of the above.
-The 10-0 that the Orokin found was no doubt spotless upon arrival because the Tenno and any surviving adults cleaned up the mess already and the Angel phenomena wasn't as powerful as it is now. It could also have guns that weren't on the 10-0 we see return.
-The 10-0 we've found has all the negative stuff because it had less Tenno and more Drifter or some weird in-between.

Possibility: The Orokin re-scuttled the 10-0 after pilfering it of anything of worth, and the Void haunted it for a while then got bored.

Then us remembering about it had the Void try to give it back or something, but as ever it ain't used to realspace, so...
Ye.

[cyan crest]

I personally believe the second one more, because it's just the most updated content, and the codex entry is old af
I'm not gonna try to force a way to fit them both together because... No, just not

[frail nymph]

Right, but just a couple things...

I don't think anybody "normal" could have cleaned it up. It was very destroyed, and yet on its return even the biomes and full environmental had been restored.

And a question: What exactly was the Chaos that Margulis saw with her own eyes upon rescuing Tenno from a pristine ship?

[frail nymph]

Fair enough!

But also, if you were to try to fix it, in that hypothetical, would you be willing to accept A?

[cyan crest]

it would be weird to accept it and would have to circumvent a loooot of stuff
But, if done correctly, yeah why not

[obtuse gyro]

I'd have to go with B since the "completely intact" bit is already challenged by the repeated "biomes were sabotaged"

[shell holly]

Sorry in advance for any word weirdness; I'm a lil under the weather. But... the "chaos" being referred to could also have been moreso directed towards the the people onboard rather than the environment and possessions. But even that wouldn't make 100% sense... Cuz when you think about it, even hurling objects around is fair game when you're in the middle of a Void-borne panic that has you jumping at kids and thinking they're demons

That said, aside from smashed mirrors, defiled statues, and scattered furniture, the ship is surprisingly pristine, all things considered

[sleek nova]

Hey i got a question about the new war mission, just a small one tho

[winged sandal]

About what?

[sleek nova]

When i aim down my sights as a drifter it tells me to press "b" (im on xbox) for overdriver what is that?

[winged sandal]

Does it reload the sirocco or something?

What button is usually B in xbox?

[sleek nova]

Nah just swings my zappy stick

Left middle, or i think 3 for pc

For abilities anyways

Right middle*

[winged sandal]

Ohh i think mid reload the pistol, u can overdrive the pistol so it deals bigger dmg

I think idk the button on xbox

[sleek nova]

Huh, makes sense, regardless i just wanted to know what pressing the button labelled overdriver button did while aiming foen sights

Down*

Thanks man

[safe meadow]

Yea

[strange python]

If it swings your melee whether you press it turn on context reload

[frail nymph]

I guess that makes it a new reason to reject the codex, but I'm pretty sure so far anyone who believed the codex also believed the Void/Deal had something to do with providing a new/spotless ship.

One could say covering up the tracks made sure the kids wouldn't be executed instantly or something

[frail nymph]

The chaos being referred to was seen by Margulis with her own eyes... (According to Lotus at least) So she can't have been talking about any people given that there were none on board except the children.

If it's not the literal destruction of the Zariman's interior, I don't know if it can refer to anything except vaguely the mental state of the kids and its association with the ship itself regardless of the looks of the ship...

I personally lean towards the codex being outdated as well, since there's no real reason for that new Lotus dialogue to be so vague/misleading...

Either way, what is pretty much confirmed is that Margulis was indeed alive at the time of the Zariman

So either the Archimedians or herself alone (thanks to Ballas) lived extremely long without aging... All the way from the Zariman mission to the conception of Transference as a War platform in the middle of the Old War...
Even just the time between her death and Ballas contacting Hunhow is several of his lifetimes, so I really wonder how exactly she lived so long. I doubt she would take the Kuva...

[supple dagger]

hang on i cant tell if this suit is for operator or drifter....
this is from the harrow prime access

[cyan crest]

It's the operator

Drifter is as tall as Harrow

[graceful zodiac]

It's for both

[cyan crest]

It's for both, yes, the one in the picture however is the operator

[supple dagger]

ah thank you

[zenith jacinth]

I wish I could've afforded that

[obtuse gyro]

I would have thought that the ship kahleen stepped on was a funky decoy if it werent for the kids still on the ship.

Basically idek whats going on

[graceful zodiac]

If we really want to get nit picky, full environmental doesn't necessarily means the place isn't something of a mess

[wicked iron]

Kahleen did note that it was in pristine condition, as though the ship never left.

[simple ember]

if i play newwar agian will i be able to change frome natah back to lotus

[opal rapids]

You can't change your choice permanently, but you can buy the other skins and choose that way

[simple ember]

sad

me want new name

[opal rapids]

Yeah no you're stuck with that one

[graceful zodiac]

Thus, the warning before you confirm a choice when they say it's permanent

[frail nymph]

Tl; Dr:

[supple dagger]

is this ordis im not completly sure

[leaden leaf]

Yes

[supple dagger]

ah alr ty

rip ordis 2.0 sacrficed himself and even used drifters saying before

[latent ferry]

he not dead

[supple dagger]

oh

well lotus left me in space which is very nice

Cephalon cy coming in clutch

[supple dagger]

ok so magically we have a veil and put it on to ballas ok

does it matter what i choose at this point

wow what a prize

[cyan crest]

Yes, some dialogue from Lotus in future quests will depend on what choice you made

So like, Natah will say something and Margulis will say something different

[supple dagger]

alr

[obtuse gyro]

I mean we did run through a whole segment with a veil on

[zenith jacinth]

And we kill a lot of veil-wearing deacons during the fight

[supple dagger]

true

[keen oar]

No, but I'd advise away from margulis

[zenith jacinth]

Little bit late

[supple dagger]

rip why

[zenith jacinth]

Nobody here likes marge for some reason.

[safe meadow]

I'm nobody

[fossil fractal]

it just weird to pose as dead woman

[cyan crest]

It's not posing when you literally have her memories and personality inside your head

It's choosing that persona to lead the others, as Operator says

[real niche]

It is when you were someone else before then and had a life before you were made to take on that identity

[wicked iron]

Everything we experience changes us in our lives. Once Margulis was implanted in Natah's mind, she was changed by it forever. Then she had Natah and Margulis' voices in her head, basically. Then came along the Lotus persona, bringing us to three. There's nothing wrong with her choosing to let Margulis lead the other two, just like there's nothing wrong with either of the others being the lead voice.

[cyan crest]

She is Margulis as much as she is the other two, because that's one of the voices in her
Choosing to be Margulis is not something inherently bad because she has that persona in her, she's just letting her lead
In a way, she's letting Margulis live again

[rancid tangle]

I chose lotus

If I was able to do it again I might choose natah

[undone forge]

I chose Natah, she is my sentient friend :)

[rancid tangle]

I just wanted space mom back

[undone forge]

I love my giant alien space mom

[rancid tangle]

Is it like a mech suit or part of her or both

[undone forge]

Perhaps

[obtuse gyro]

I chose lotus because its clearly lotus prime and I'll be damned if I miss a prime

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[fossil fractal]

it isnt even margulis though

[cyan crest]

?

[safe meadow]

It is, they're one and the same different personalities in one body

She's just letting marguilus or natah or lotus be the metaphorical host

[cyan crest]

Yes

[frail nymph]

Multiple personality disorder isn't "posing," and neither is what she's doing.

[fiery oyster]

What is the thing that my Octavia is holding? What's it used for?

[autumn turret]

lunaro ball, nothing

[zenith jacinth]

Score goals

[safe meadow]

Multiple personality or disassociative identity disorder could be either

[frail nymph]

Well as far as the details are concerned, she isn't human, so she doesn't have either... It's kind of programmed into her so it's vaguely similar to either

[safe meadow]

Yh or neither

[supple dagger]

How Dow you all get the marks

I am shith but whay do you have that

[safe meadow]

Marks?

As in marked by like stalker?

[wraith iron]

amp rivens!!!!

[fossil fractal]

i think i had a dream last night where my operator could use CQC

[fossil fractal]

metal gear thing

theres a combo thingy that venom snake does in phantom pain

was cool to do

and yeah i was thinking about strangling

and if you do it on demolyst you blow up

i want their 4 to be transcendence and the beam gets stronger alongside your amp

if they bring it back i hope they make it as flashy as last gasp or something

[craggy solstice]

Close Quarters Combat. It's not a metal gear thing but it's where a lot of people who play video games learn about it.

[cyan crest]

It's not confirmed that Duviri is gonna be operator exclusive anyway so don't worry about that... For now
You can worry later

[graceful zodiac]

It would also be a very terrible idea to be stuck to one thing only the entire time

[zenith jacinth]

Until you start missing your mobility

[cyan crest]

In busy days we can have 2 conversations at once... Or 1 and a half... Lol

[graceful zodiac]

There's very a reason DE only every limits Warframe as a temporary measure

An entire open world where the only thing you can use is spoiler mode is very much dead on arrival

I can see certainly parts where you have to use them, love with operators or angels, that's standard fair

[warm heart]

What's the difference between the operator and drifter in playstyle, just wanna know before I start The new war

[zenith jacinth]

Nothing

Well, outside of tnw

During tnw you get some cool gadgets as abilities

[spark herald]

Drifter has a longer roll.

[warm heart]

Well so it doesn't matter at all who I chose

That's what I take

[cyan crest]

It really doesn't

But you only choose at the last part of the quest

And you get different dialogue with whoever you choose

[fluid field]

Do you think the drifter met up with the remaining crew of the zarimen?

Or at least knew who they were? Cause he did live on that ship for a few years, so it’s just kinda weird that he didn’t find any crew

[graceful zodiac]

Cause the crew all died

[fluid field]

But there where the 4 on the ship during the quest

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, cause they were brought back when the ship emerged again. All the crew died the first time around

[zenith jacinth]

The drifter wasn't stuck on the ship, they were stuck in duviri

[fluid field]

What killed them in the first place? Still angels?

[graceful zodiac]

We did

[zenith jacinth]

The holdfasts explain how they died to each other

[zenith jacinth]

We didn't kill everyone

Cavalero and quinn also did, and hombask sabotaged stuff

[fluid field]

Did all of them come back, or just the ones we were told about?

[zenith jacinth]

Angels all used to be human void constructs

[graceful zodiac]

more did, but only the 4 are remaining

[zenith jacinth]

Feeding on the zariman's reliquary drive corrupts them into angels

[fluid field]

Why does their drive do that, and ours doesn’t. is it based off scale, or did theirs break?

[graceful zodiac]

Railjack reliquery would likely do the same, it just hasn't been lost to the void with dead people on board

[fluid field]

Oh, that makes sense

Did we ever see tau though? Like is it on the other half of the rift we’re in, or is that just the void

[graceful zodiac]

No, we've not been to Tau since Old War

[zenith jacinth]

That's most likely duviri

[fluid field]

Then what is Tau

Sentients do Tau damage

[wild copper]

tau is the solar system that the orokin sent the sentients to terraform

and the word "tau" is mostly used in reference to the sentients

[fluid field]

NeW sTaR cHaRt

[zenith jacinth]

Probably at some point

But the place(-s) behind the zariman is inside the void

[onyx geode]

can we just
stand in awe on how you cannot get a bad screen cap during tnw?

[frail nymph]

Are we sure about that? Some of them seem too big, and even attempting to enter the ship from the outside through windows

[cyan crest]

The thing about them entering from outside can be explained by a panel in the Rell comic, where they eject a bunch of adults from the ship

[nocturne kiln]

I thought they were humans who turned into void constructs....

🤔

[obtuse gyro]

to be fair we know that Kira was human sized before she turned since she'd be like the holdfasts (since she was one of them) and then when we fight her shes a much bigger angel, I wouldnt put it past the human > angel conversion to be able to scale up in size by quite a fair amount

[zenith jacinth]

Yes, kira is what I based that on

[frail nymph]

Kira was bigger than the other angels?

[obtuse gyro]

no but kira angel was much bigger than kira human

[frail nymph]

I'm mostly skeptical of it because the bigger solid angels that are just parts of the map are the once that have been around since mid New War

And the conceptual manifestation of crew has been a new thing post-NW

[zenith jacinth]

Or we were just walking around different parts of the zariman.

[orchid remnant]

Isn’t there one statue in the Zariman that’s half-corrupted to look like an angel

[lapis portal]

@fluid field basically there was test

3rd question

which eternalism is correct answer

[zenith jacinth]

Eternalism

One letter difference, completely different things

[fluid field]

Is that like the multiverse thing? Like how the drifter never got saved from the zarimen

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

Zariman

[cyan crest]

Eternalism doesn't usually need a multiverse theory
This version of eternalism does tho

[frail nymph]

Yeah eternalism either requires a multiverse or requires you to give up on all notions of choice and chance... Warframe does the former

[frail nymph]

But the crew say they are new, don't they?

[fleet veldt]

That is likely [25?]% of how come we've got Angels pretending to be inanimate.

[frail nymph]

The others were all like the remaining holdfast apparently, so at least there's confirmation that all angels similar in size to what we fought are definitely remains of crew

[zenith jacinth]

I don't remember that...

[frail nymph]

Still have a strong feeling it was new because of Kira in the ARG

[fleet veldt]

Well, the crew/Holdfasts are 'new' in that the ones we meet are vestigial manifestations that emerged because we shone our light into the ship during New War. In effect we gave them a bump of energy (unintentionally) to help them reach us.

[frail nymph]

Didn't they only use our light after Kira died in AoZ?

[frail nymph]

Kira said she's never seen anything like void contamination before. "This void contamination sure is wild, huh? Never said anything like it."

[zenith jacinth]

Oh. ARG stuff?

[frail nymph]

Yeah

she also mentions that she's not "The only one who woke to his words" when talking about who the angels hunting her used to be...

[zenith jacinth]

That explains it

[frail nymph]

Hope we find out what words those are

[zenith jacinth]

Never bothered following that, it was way too busy 24/7

[frail nymph]

Not that it was still relevant, but finally something to directly put to rest whether the Drifter/Operator swap are literal swaps or just the player pretending to be in a different universe.

[frail nymph]

Confirmed, the several lifetimes of Ballas in the Old War as well as all the time since Collapse till date (Something that Parvos needed Protea to preserve him for) was much much longer than that between the Zariman mission and the creation of Warframes (When Protea was made for Parvos)

That explains why Margulis could be alive from the Zariman rescue all the way to her death in the Old War

Also Cavalero Corroborates Lotus' claim of Margulis being present at the time

Even though to be very technical, both of their knowledge still probably comes from the Tenno

[graceful zodiac]

Cavalero's statement isn't an exact confirmation though, given that the Holdfasts are aware of the history of the system. He could very well be talking in terms of hindsight.

[graceful zodiac]

Though the first statement with Parvos does confirm that people in the system can just live for hundreds of years baseline if the Zariman went before the Sentients

[dusky barn]

Will Drifter ever get focus school idle animations like Operator?

?

[zenith jacinth]

I hope so

[frail nymph]

We don't know if Parvos lived for hundreds of years though...? All I know regarding timeframes is that Tau Ceti is 12 light years away approx so it's not necessarily that long.

[frail nymph]

He is talking in terms of hindsight, yes. Obviously he wasn't there to be able to see Margulis rescue them

Point is, it does not seem to be some "Lotus is only saying what she thinks and she actually has a misconception intended by the writers" type stuff

[supple dagger]

can anyone tell me wtf is this

[river willow]

it's a void angel

[marble quartz]

The latest mini quest explains what they are

[inland umbra]

Why is it so blurry

[flat shadow]

Probably their settings

[inland umbra]

My setting ar worse then this yet not that blurry

[obtuse gyro]

it looks like its from the trailer

[dry magnet]

https://twitter.com/vladaking91/status/1070765575478108160?s=21&t=o5DAZDixSMN2cdWjgRGXpw

Vladimir (@Vladaking91)

@PabloPoon what if....we have this in future 🤔

Twitter · Dec 6, 2018, 7:43 PM

[zenith jacinth]

Why tho

[dry magnet]

My old post even back then

2018

[zenith jacinth]

Wide operator scares me

[dry magnet]

😅

Well when you think about it mature body in kid body shape is little strange and even if it just taller its not for mature body. But back then when we didn’t have drifters,I whose expecting them to have them like we did. I whose just thinking that we will get little more advanced options. 😏

Because even mature form its hard to notice between male and female

[zenith jacinth]

[old cairn]

So I just realized. Exactly how many times are lines going to have to be done for every time the lotus/natah/margulis is mentioned by the operator/drifter?

24 times for a single line?

[zenith jacinth]

🤔

[old cairn]

12 times for operator, 12 times for drifter

[austere junco]

Where do I go to get help with an iso vault

[zenith jacinth]

I just don't understand what you mean in general

[zenith jacinth]

Your platform's sqad recruit channel

[austere junco]

Ok thanks

[cyan crest]

Each guy has 4 voice actors
Natargulotus adds 3 potential variables in dialogue

4 times 3 times 2 is 24

But only in times where her name is mentioned

[zenith jacinth]

Oh ok

[frail nymph]

It sounds like a lot but it's just three per actor so won't be a chore to keep track

[void summit]

AHHHHH, I* just caved and bought a neromech with plat

cause farming it was disgusting, but omg, the first mission ofa new war

I was like "why am I playing as a grinner" but at the end when he said for his brothers, my eyes got watery, dam, I hope he is safe and healed or something idk

[cosmic galleon]

clem is better

[wraith iron]

yes, if you're gonna live in my RJ's reliquary drive, at least pay rent smh my head

[cyan crest]

I think we should divide that rent in fractions
I mean, that's only a finger, it wouldn't be fair :p

[real niche]

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah.... he ain't. Blood splatter where we last see him apparently

Makes me a bit worried about the ostron kid with eyes in different area codes tbh

[hard pewter]

he pays it in form of infinite gasoline

[stoic urchin]

but it wouldn't have been nearly as impactful

[sharp spoke]

Also, the bit where they're doing the big charge and the Thumper is comin' along, that got me super hype. I was like "LESGOOOOOOOOOOO" and then the thumper got shot down and it killed my morale a little

[zenith jacinth]

I was like "Oh. Oh no. Oh. No."

[sonic hull]

who in the photo at the end of angel of the zariman

[graceful zodiac]

Your parents.

[zenith jacinth]

And no the person the memorial is for is not our mother.

[sharp spoke]

Yeah it's a little strange but whatevs

[zenith jacinth]

Fog has a screenshot that explains it

[sharp spoke]

Ahhh okay, that makes sense

[wraith iron]

his finger is bigger than op's torso

[wraith iron]

damm, he must be rich

[supple dagger]

They did it!!

Thank you to everyone who shared my post/ added to the discussion!!!

[real niche]

Well, Cantic meta for Eidolons was fun while it lasted

[supple dagger]

i have default settings i dont bother changing em i just play and thats all

[narrow jay]

So if an Operator wakes from the Second Dream, does it mean he is resisting a rest? 🤔

[cyan crest]

Ba dum tss

[past kiln]

u could have ballas operators before

set their lip color blue and drag it to skin color

[narrow jay]

"Operator! I rounded up your 100 Sister hounds in the Arsenal! They are ready for deployment." "Ok Ordis, but why do I only count 93?" "Yes Operator! I rounded them up."

[cyan crest]

Ba dum tss

[mellow nymph]

So the dual skanas in the new Planes of Duviri teaser video………. Either a memorial to Teshin or implying that he’s alive in the planes? I think he’s alive. Did anyone else take it that way?

[torpid lantern]

AHHH

So excited!!!

[thick jolt]

So now we got operator drifter and stranger ?

[astral crypt]

I dont know but I hope so

[kindred briar]

could be both

[mellow nymph]

I mean with the Lotus’s voice over about “remembering who we were” or something like that, it’s definitely a memorial moment. Maybe he’s like “void-touched”?????

[astral crypt]

Tennoshin 😂

[obtuse gyro]

@frail nymph What's your take on this zariman?

[torpid lantern]

isn't this the other half that's still in the void?

[obtuse gyro]

theres a distinct addition of the normal space skybox in the back now

[obtuse gyro]

well, right now which direction is the zariman in the game facing?

[torpid lantern]

Forward i think xD

[obtuse gyro]

yea this one is in the opposite direction

[cyan crest]

That's still the front tho

[astral crypt]

I think it’s going to be Warframe hard mode where you play as drifter with the same/similar mechanics to the new war and potentially with a random load out?

[obtuse gyro]

mayhaps all that talk about the mirror princess is to lead to the idea of a void mirror, so just like how the front of the zariman is outside the void, a mirrored front of the zariman is in the void

[graceful zodiac]

Half of the trailer is just reusing the assets from the old trailer, so i'd take it with a grain of salt

[obtuse gyro]

they do have a new shot of the zariman and the sword tho

so thats not exactly reused since its flat from the side instead of diagonally facing the zariman

[orchid remnant]

The drifter had the drifter Zariman suit on this time instead of the normal Zariman suit he had on two years ago

[graceful zodiac]

True, but that can also just be sticking the nikana in the existing environs for ease

[obtuse gyro]

yes but the zariman is a new shot from the side

[cyan crest]

And there are some shots of the drifter on the duvihorse

[obtuse gyro]

additionally, we now have proof of trees in diviri

[opal saffron]

Just noticed the swords say “cut” on the blade in orokin

[cyan crest]

Instructions on a sword... Huh

[jagged sable]

Wonder if the 2 swords are actually the same sword.

Kinda like how the Operator and Drifter are technically the same person.

[cyan crest]

We'll have to wait and see tbh

Probably have a long trailer on july

And then get the update on December

[obtuse gyro]

inb4 16 July Tennocon: Duviri Paradox, Available now

[cyan crest]

Unlikely but that'd be cool

[regal moss]

Whoever this dude is, I love him already! 🤌🏻

[gusty breach]

looks like dax clothes ngl

[obtuse gyro]

human ish skin

[acoustic steeple]

How do I get it I want Dr Manhattan 😢

[crisp vigil]

Varre ? 😳

[velvet dragon]

yes

[supple dagger]

you need to fully unlock a focus school

[frail nymph]

Looks to me like they turned it around 180 degrees... I guess to access Duviri? I don't wanna speak on the details of the textures cause of all the obscuring visual effects...

[acoustic steeple]

😢

Focus farm is stinky

[obtuse gyro]

maybe, either they turned it around, have some void mirror thing going, or that they worked on having the zariman face that direction and cba to turn it around to match the ingame zariman

[crisp vigil]

It is 😔

[scenic geode]

is it possible that the person who looks like the tenno we see during all the duviri might be a 3rd timeline branched version of the tenno?

[crisp vigil]

Drifter mentions the duviri while in the solar fight against ballas

[frail nymph]

I get the mirror concept, but Albrecht's story was very different so idk... The Void mirror was about eternalism as well, and not just the void, aka reflections of the subject not the objects around them... And Wally doesn't seem to be just an alternate (void) timeline version of everybody like the princess story would imply, cause he came out of the void while everyone else was still outside without swapping places.

But think about this... The Zariman appears in the cutscene without actually moving. It just kind of phases in...

And in Albrecht's story, he moves through the portal, yet the floor of his laboratory is mirrored on the other side. Now this has to literally be like going into a mirror world through a mirror, otherwise the other side would be inside his wall and not his floor.

So maybe the Zariman was not travelling in between void and space when appearing... Maybe the portal is just located such that it intersects the Zariman, and the Zariman we see in AoZ is like the floor of his Lab appearing on the void side.

So there would be two Zarimans, facing in opposite directions. But if the Zariman was the thing intended to be moved into the void, it would not be this way, just like there were not two Albrechts.

So a void mirror still, but based on different lore

[scenic geode]

ah, i used the tenno so i guess we'll be getting drifter backstory then

[graceful zodiac]

Note, only the part of the lab floor Albrecht was on came through.

[obtuse gyro]

Ah yea thats what I was thinking really when I said void mirror

because we did have the whole mirror thing going on with the weendaswebegan.com

which matches in a sense the albert experience

[graceful zodiac]

The only thing that got mirrored with Albrecht was himself with Wally

[frail nymph]

Yeah I know but I don't feel like that story has a good analogy here beyond the word "mirror."

Cause the mirror story are windows that let you see, not portals... And taking the void mirror literally would imply Wally is an alternate timeline version of everybody at once or something.

[frail nymph]

Which was inevitably mirrored to the original floor

Because where the floor was in the void, without a mirror, there would be the inside of a wall.

[graceful zodiac]

That's why I err on the side of DE no just not bothering to change the existing assets they had for the first Duviri Trailer

[frail nymph]

This isn't an existing asset from the first trailer, any more than the current AoZ Zariman skybox is.

[umbral portal]

Please tell me warframe isn’t coming to an end Becuase I was told it might be

[crisp vigil]

Duviri is probably a failsafe insurance plans of orokin imo during the tenno’s usurpation of power at the height of the Old War. However what would have served as a last refuge in the untime of the void might’ve gone wrong somehow. Duviri might as well be the alternative capital of the orokin, perhaps the moon was adjacent to it before we pulled it out from its void veil

Can’t be corpus, grineer, only canditate that comes to mind about the duviri infrastructures architects is orokin.🤔

[obtuse gyro]

mhmm, its abit more new

[frail nymph]

No indication of that

[umbral portal]

Thank god

[obtuse gyro]

its a terrible failsafe then

[crisp vigil]

We still have to address void nyarlathothep that likes to hang out in a literal wall

[orchid remnant]

all orokin things are pretty terrible!

[frail nymph]

So do y'all think the person sitting on the sideways DC symbol chair was Albrecht?

Idk if I want it to be him or not

[graceful zodiac]

Doesn't work since Drifter was there from his failed trip

[crisp vigil]

Perhaps a warden of some kind, or librarian that was charged with orchestrating the mysterious void apparatus that most likely served a very important role for the orokin

[graceful zodiac]

As a Tenno failsafe anyways

[frail nymph]

There would be more than one person there if it was such an effective insurance plan

[crisp vigil]

It does work, void manipulation was before tenno came. The Zariman is powered by a reliquary drive

In the timeline the zariman was built before the void eternalism messed up and split timelines for tenno and drifters

Even the staff members of the zariman refer to the protective void bubble around the zariman as the Albretch Membrane

[graceful zodiac]

There's very much a difference between the Tenno and void tech

[obtuse gyro]

it would be funny because homie was committed to not live any longer than he has to and here he's outlived the empire

[crisp vigil]

what’s your point. We know that. Void tech is from studying the remains of a severed certain finger. Tennos are the result of an unknown pact with an entity itself that presumably owned the aforementioned finger.

[frail nymph]

I mean drifter is pretty young, so perhaps not much time passed for him either

[obtuse gyro]

true, but the point stands, he outlived everything he once knew

[cyan crest]

You know what would be hilarious? That duviri mask dude was Teshin
That would be so funny

[crisp vigil]

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Void might also twist spacetime and dilute time perception but who knows.

[orchid remnant]

you know what would be even funnier? Teshin got turned into a sword

[crisp vigil]

😳

[obtuse gyro]

I doubt the moon was adjacent to wherever duviri is, since the moon being shoved into the void seems like an old war thing and not a tenno-betrayal thing

[cyan crest]

"I turned myself into a Sword, child! I'm sword Teshin!"

Funniest muck I've ever seen

[crisp vigil]

Tbh the only thing I can think of duviri is that it’s a “train station” of “time and space” that would be pretty sick

The thing is so mysterious that alot of speculation can come off it

[frail nymph]

What does that even mean?
What is the train? Can the duviri stations be made anywhere like actual stations can?

If anything a solar rail is a train station for spacetime travel

[scarlet basalt]

Did they announce anything post duviri paradox or it is the end of the promise of tennocon 2019 ? Bcz i doubt they announced anything post duviri

[obtuse gyro]

They never announced anything past duviri in the 2019 tennocon no

[crisp vigil]

A sort of 5D station like the one in Interstellar

[frail nymph]

There's a 5D station in interstellar?

[scarlet basalt]

Well now i wonder what they could bring to the table.
I wonder what will be the direction, 🤔

[crisp vigil]

5D thingie where space is converted in time (it’s at the end of the movie in the blackhole)

[frail nymph]

That thing was 4D

[obtuse gyro]

its this bit

[crisp vigil]

Is it

I’m not a physicist pls don’t attack me with wall of text😔

[frail nymph]

He can move in 3 dimensions, and experienced a fourth as time. Some objects (the things he could bang his hands on) were linked to different points in spacetime, almost like a large number wormholes near that bedroom but at many different points in time... But still all of that is 4D

[graceful zodiac]

Not really the same either given Duviri isn't outside time and space like that

[crisp vigil]

Mmhhh

[scarlet basalt]

He has a human hand ?

[frail nymph]

They were also stated to be connected by gravity, which is just the curvature of 4D spacetime

[scarlet basalt]

They nerfed the overall gameplay now you have to play on TNW drifter constantly 😭 ? Tbh it's good but wow it will be hard as hell.

[graceful zodiac]

I very much doubt that

Drifter only makes this mode pretty much DoA

[frail nymph]

"Is how you play the hand you're dealt" This is talking about lore

[crisp vigil]

TNW gameplay is not-warframe-gameplay

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh i think it also mean the way they will change the gameplay on duviri.
Well it would be a surprise that you could allow warframe in there.

[graceful zodiac]

They would have too

Either Warframes or Necramech to make the update marketable at all

[scarlet basalt]

Or : Operator/drifter's outfit/skin/hair ? I would guess that would be the best thing to do with how they would focus on the operator and drifter

[crisp vigil]

Curious thing is that iirc it was implied that someone or some individuals from a who knows when future left the wormhole to the blackhole system + the 4D architecture apparatus inside the blackhole for the humans of the then present to utilize and save their worlds. Are they 5D beings manipulating 4D architecture? well anyway duviri still a mystery

[graceful zodiac]

I mean marketable in the sense of getting people to actually want to play it. The majority if players did not like playing as drifter during the quest

[frail nymph]

Yes they would have to be 5D beings since they can't manipulate our time to that extent without having their own new dimension of time and seeing our time as a physical object

[scarlet basalt]

Oh yeah,if you mean that,it will be very hard for people to play as the drifter/operator on the duviri, i would guess that they would do a big overall update on how they will be played

[fleet veldt]

Alternative:
Operator/Drifter head option for frames as a convoluted cosmetic process to emulate Hayden Tenno's un-helmeted appearance in Dark Sector or something?

[scarlet basalt]

That's one option.

[graceful zodiac]

Having Quest Drifter as an option is likely. Making it the only option is a bad idea, and DE should well know that by now

[scarlet basalt]

In my opinion i would guess that the duviri won't have swarm of enemies but rather tough and only few.
I doubt they will let you add mods on your weapon so it will tell us to use wisely our equipments. I'm currently looking at complaints (on drifter's gameplay) to see how we could imaginate the gameplay.

[fleet veldt]

Maybe the quest may have a portion where the Tenno set up some kind of Transference relay to hone in on themselves (as part of closing the paradoxical loop of it all)?

Gameplay wise I'm thinking Dr/Op may unlock their Kits as a mini-gear-wheel accessible via the 3rd ability button, with 4th being Transcendance, and 5th being same-old Transference.

This would allow them to keep their unlocked power(s) and probably add room to customise that ability/gear wheel.

An inevitability is them unlocking sidearms and primaries for the primary slot, and actual melees, with Dark Souls style restrictions (i.e: in that weapons held by actual Tenno are unwieldy or far harder to use than when used by frames, for example: Galatine Prime would be among the slowest and heaviest weapons, making it impossible to jump with it equipped unless you run for a bit first to gain momentum; too many sequential attacks would cause stagger).

[dense kayak]

lmao operator wielding gram prime

[graceful zodiac]

I fully doubt they'll let's us use any weapon beyond amps, but most likely just give back the quest abilities

[scarlet basalt]

Honesty with how the weapons are done, seeing weapons having disadvantage will unbalance the game because of how oddly they made weapons.
It's a very good idea to see that heavy weapon would crush the enemies in a single hit but then...That kronen prime that is faster ,is just as strong and without any flaw... Well there is a way, if they fixes weapons's stat to have some kind of "normality".
Gameplay it could be something very interesting.

[dense kayak]

jeez y’all are gonna full detective mode 😭

[scarlet basalt]

YOoo imagine if the gameplay on duviri is literally doom eternal style of gameplay 😭

[graceful zodiac]

Warframe is a horde shooter first and foremost. DE isn't gonna change it like that

[dense kayak]

i hope we get a zariman flashback or orokin era flashback

[autumn turret]

rip and tear until it is done?

[scarlet basalt]

I would guess some information on Dax warrior and likely some of the legem ? With how they hinted on the zariman ship,the 2 sword on the ground and the duviri dax.
Also it's very odd that the new guy has one hand that seems to be "human" with color and skin texturing.

[scarlet basalt]

Ohhh they've still confirmed that those two exists

[crisp vigil]

You mean the 🗿 on the right ? I agree

[scarlet basalt]

i love pillar man.
He may be unknown but i love him

[velvet wing]

We’re all orokin horse girls now

[west field]

|| this image and the recent trailer will make sense at some point this year ||

[scarlet basalt]

on Artstation (Samuel Compain-Eglin) he is called "Dax duviri"
And checking everything on the artstation is so interesting,it has bones but no head,no organs (?)
At the end it doesn't look quite dax but rather a variant that came directly from the void,tho we can argue that the color palette is quite different on the one that is found on the angels

The horse found on the artstation is also a mechanised version that you can see on the zariman 😮 who tinkered ma boi ?

[frail nymph]

What if these guys are conceptual manifestations that come from Teshin's memories? Makes sense if Erra yeeted what was left into the void... While Cy recalls your frame I guess

[scarlet basalt]

If the stranger dude is ballas again i'm gonna lose my mind
Not gonna lie if teshin was sent to the void it would be something that the void could work with... Tho i still wonder why did the void took horses...Or why would you send horses in the void lol

[scarlet basalt]

In my opinion that would be kinda useless to throw teshin into the void.
They could make another sentient with him maybe ?

[hollow radish]

I'm not sure. The amalgams we've seen have been standard Narmer troops, judging by the additional elements on their models that resemble neon light designs, and corpus based Narmer soldiers using the same death sounds as humanoid amalgams on Jupiter. I don't actually know if you can make an amalgam from a dead human.

It seems unlikely if the veils were applied first.

[crisp vigil]

Automatons for a city made to exist in the void maybe maybe duviri was an attempt to re-create a living world in the void where people would not be restrained by the limits of presentalism

Instead of a ship, literally a realm fit for people to live there forever, a second earth, made specifically to follow the laws of physics that regulate the void, no, embrace them to their fullest

As a result automatons of alienated mechanisms and bizarre tech emerged

The grand experiment results in a solid earth with growing vegetative lifeforms, plains of some sort. A world that drifts amongst dream and unreality through the void that was planned for the lords amongst even orokin high ranks

Something goes wrong in the outside world, the orokin empire falls, but this land subsists, hidden from tenno usurpation. Relics of a bygone era keep watch of this land that is now the last refuge of the orokin grand overlords, cut from time and forgotten in a world where nothing can rot.

Maybe I’m getting too poetic

Perhaps it could’ve been an experiment to populate the void. Time distortion happens, what seemed to have been centuries in the real world becomes dozen of millenia in a region of void that has become isolated and lost to even the orokin themselves. The colonials develop, thrive, and on the contrary of the holdfasts, mutate to survive at all cost in this world where physics do not hold on the same basis.
Their bodies mutate into life forms of the void, that have synchronized with the very essence of its reality, and unlike angels, understand it and thrive on it. They eventually build a world and develop other wordly technology.

All the while a world is born, the real world burns under tenno revolts and times change. But not them. Their world is so naturalized to the void itself that plants and plains seem to have grown after millenia of evolution, and life and reality clashing to find their ways

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, we know they wanted nothing to do with the Void like that

[crisp vigil]

Life mystically seeming to thrive in otherworldly plains that grow in the void is just really mysterious

[crisp vigil]

Albretch feared it, his peers might’ve not held the same idea and plans

Tbh we can’t really tell, the only orokin who’s mind we probed in is Albretch, Ballas, and the other entrati family members

[graceful zodiac]

The majority of the orokin feared it. It part of the reason they didn't like the Tenno

[crisp vigil]

We don’t really know i think (not sure) I think only ballas despise us. But we should keep in mind a part of his hate and fear of us might’ve been because he was jealous of us, as we took margulis from him, hence why partly we’re also devils for him

[graceful zodiac]

The Seven as a whole didn't like us. They were ready to kill us until Marg stepped in

[crisp vigil]

Tbh I don’t recall why the seven wanted to execute margulis

Was it stated ?

[graceful zodiac]

Lotus says as much in the Second Dream.

[crisp vigil]

I think their hate was of void children they couldn’t understand. But the unknown wouldn’t have stopped their greed to conquer the void itself. What they feared wasn’t the void, I think what they actually feared was sentient beings they weren’t sure if they could keep under their control like everything else

They didn’t expect people to be directly blessed by the void, they expected to utilise it and be the ones using and granting void blessings in the form of colonization and technology, not randomly selected children that gained the absurd, (literal void magic) bypassing technology altogether

[graceful zodiac]

They didn't expect them to come back at all. They write off any ship lost to the Void

[crisp vigil]

Their fears were ultimately proven right and the tenno exterminated their kind so yeah

[crisp vigil]

Yeah, the variable they can’t control is a big no no. However It shouldn’t have stopped their interest in the void, since it offered a myriad of possibilities and wonders

[graceful zodiac]

It did. They didn't explore the Void because they knew for a fact it drives people crazy, the reason for the iso vaults

[crisp vigil]

They’re a race that moves forward, science at its base is probing the unknown, not disqualifying it, and if they already had mind-blowing technology of immortality and organic mastery, not a big leap imo

[crisp vigil]

Idk. It sounds counter-intuitive they would stop trying to play with it. Given their behavioural dominating attitude and obsession with control and eternality (immortality, biological manipulation, god complex power and control), archimedians would be relentless to study it, to master it, to put it under their feet

But in the end we can confirm nothing

[frail nymph]

Just in case someone was trying to extract info from what Lotus said, it's just her new war dialogue

[scarlet basalt]

I Wonder if lotus can go inside duviri

[fossil fractal]

this is what i found on wiki page for duviri (no more grind!!!!!!!!!)

[orchid remnant]

We did it!

[hollow radish]

It's implied during the New War that she did, and may even be why she looked even worse when the Drifter hauled her out than when she fell into the Void with the Operator.

She was wounded and exhausted when she fell into the Void, but not half-intangible.

I imagine that was the result of her lingering there for any amount of time, what with being a sentient.

[glass cargo]

so i was running a exterminate on the zaumin looking for voidplumes and other resources and wanted to know what are the chances of finding 5 of the blueprints for the new ship parts?

[obtuse gyro]

What the hell?

[icy ore]

You what ? How in 30 minutes do you have that much voidplume and how did you find enough rare containers to drop those ?

[thick jolt]

Voidplume count checks out the 8 find it ones the 2 melica quills and the angel pinion

[tawny sierra]

Is it considered a spoiler that the Solaris People have their heads in their chest cavity? I could have gone my whole life not knowing that tbh.

[cyan crest]

It is a spoiler but since it's pre Angels of the zariman it is good to post on the other lore channel
But it is kind of a spoiler for people not on rank 5

[iron totem]

What’s the parrallax?

[cyan crest]

New landing craft and the sinestro corps entity in the DC universe

But for warframe it's the new landing craft

[iron totem]

Alright cool thank you

[wraith iron]

how do i get the new ship parts

[cyan crest]

Rare cachés in the zariman tileset

[spark herald]

these boxes, 2%. Zariman doesn't even have Caches.

[cyan crest]

Oh yeah

Sorry I always say caché

[devout sky]

In what things do u find the ship parts?

[spark herald]

They aren't rare containers.

Zariman Rare crates drop forma.

[zenith jacinth]

Nice. Now I have a reason to max out my focus

[wise sentinel]

im bad at the game but still love it, so i am inexplicably hyped for duviri

[woven wedge]

Yeah, finally a quest in every month

[jagged sable]

I had an interesting and weird idea.
The swords in our dormizone that appear when you pop out of your warframe as the Drifter. I think they're meant to be us. (Operator and Drifter)
One sword is longer while the other is shorter. Just like The Drifter is tall and the Operator is short. But both are supposed to be the same sword.

[real niche]

I mean they're Teshin's swords so who knows their significance

[orchid remnant]

I wonder if it’ll be Scraphunter or Fog that says that they aren’t Teshin’s swords first?

[fleet veldt]

I can affirm they are Teshin's - the sheathes are the older pre-Sacrifice versions you'd find them housed in if you looked back enough.

We might end up using either, or both, of them like Teshin did.

[real niche]

Wow that was bigger than I thought I thought it was an emote

[slim anvil]

[fleet veldt]

Emote art posted solo with no text is often upscaled.
Example: VS

[slim anvil]

thats a sticker

[real niche]

No I posted a sticker not an emote

[fossil fractal]

thats a cool theory

[hollow radish]

I think they were using the dual sword stance animations, but I'm not sure if it was any specific stance.

Also, the fact that the... Synthetic executor guy (Stranger, maybe, given the, 'Stranger's Hood' mask looking similar?) still has a slightly blue tinged yet overall recognizably baseline human hue of skin on his left hand does make things a little odd. Though his nails also looked black... Kind of implying that the organic stuff may be dead.

Some part of me wonders if he's built on top of Teshin's corpse for some reason.

What with dax armor clearly being part of his design.

It also looks like the emblem is still there from the 2018 concept art on the abdomen, and we're not getting the ridiculously long cape on him probably for the same reason we didn't get alien tendrils for the Lotus' feet being concealed by a long dress.

That is, a thing like that being utter hell to animate.

[fossil fractal]

yeah they were using dual sword stance animations

honestly i dont care about getting new dual nikana weapon i want them in any form because they look sick as hell

[icy ore]

I was gonna ask if we would get a teshin frame (with teshin’s ability) but then I remembered lavos is a thing lol

A lavos augment on passive that apply elements to your weapon instead of ability

[scarlet basalt]

I was thinking : With duviri that will get released,i would guess in december.
Does that mean that they will change how drop will be taken ? Since we saw that there is no companion/sentinel so no vacuum

[frail nymph]

They did change it a bit already, there's a small minimum radius to pick up drops... So it's not unforeseeable

[scarlet basalt]

oh yeaah that was kinda annoying with the energy arcane that the operator can do

[frail nymph]

I'm just gonna make a "called it" message, record what I think the future would likely develop about the lore...

Teshin's dead body/swords went into the void and something happened in there. Maybe conceptual manifestation, maybe that's how Duviri Dax exist, or maybe something very small just to eventually get operator to reconcile and process his death.

Operator, meanwhile, was sent to the Zariman's past literally, to the scenes we played in. Perhaps even Drifter's past, which is why they didn't get the powers till so late. What decided when exactly they get powers? Perhaps the time between the stabby stab and the deal is the same as the time between the literal backstab and Drifter's fight with Lotus.

So Drifter is the "one" Tenno who didn't get rescued, while the rest got rescued and the Zariman was abandoned into the void with records intact for Kira to read. Meanwhile Operator's Zariman was wiped clean just like War Within, before being dumped or whatever.

Drifter and their Zariman ended up in Duviri. But now, something causes operator as well to go back to Duviri, or this is a flashback to part of Operator's involvement and shenanigans while they are still in the "past."

Is this the most likely option? Probably not, but seems most interesting to me...

[scarlet basalt]

Merging with the drifter is maybe why the reason Lotus said : "Dreams of who we were and who we have become" Since you won't get anyone to "rescue" you ? Ending end up in duviri is because of the merging conflicting with ourselves ?

Wait,who the hell gave erra the key to the reservoir ?
Varzia confirmed it that he got the key and maybe didn't brute force to open it 😮
"Ah, kid. I'd trade all this Prime gear for a few shards of seriglass, a hammer, and five minutes alone with whoever gilded bastard gave the Sentients the key to the Reservoir. Erra hurt me. But if you kids hadn't showed up, he'd have killed me... and in my book, that means I owe ya. So. Here I am."

"Don't let your uncle teshin down now"...Well about that..

[fossil fractal]

ballas was planning to betray the orokin so probably him

[scarlet basalt]

Hoping that Erra is still alive and explain us how he got to the reservoir. But ballas seems likely

[scarlet basalt]

Yooo what if Rell make a comeback and became a NPC that will tell us how "He" is working or other thing ?
Tho he can't say anything because of his line that MITW is listening.

I was thinking that Melica may have said our next syndicate ? With it being the crew but on the drifter's side ?

[fossil fractal]

he finally sleep now i hope he stays sleeping mans tired

[scarlet basalt]

Murr sleeping

[cyan crest]

But like
Rell is dead

[fossil fractal]

still sleep

[frail nymph]

It's a hard knock life on Reddit, if you know the lore well...
Say something that's correct but not commonly known and you get downvoted into oblivion...

Apparently most downvote-happy people don't know about the new trailer's existence even now so pointing out anything about the new version, like the suit stuff, might as well be illegal.

[glass cargo]

Just go and destroy ever container thats just what I do in solo farming for voieplumes

[zenith jacinth]

The duviri trailer broke since it definitely shows teshin's blades

Without sheath

[fossil fractal]

can someone link me to duviri trailer

[zenith jacinth]

https://youtu.be/JaQ49MdJhe4

[fossil fractal]

thanks

[zenith jacinth]

Teshin swords

Pain

[torpid lantern]

I wanted Kahl to return. Teshin is dead and though I miss him, it makes more sense that way

[orchid remnant]

What if it’s all three of them but they’re all one person now

[zenith jacinth]

Those are teshins swords. A few dax-like people are shown in the trailer. That's gotta mean something

[orchid remnant]

Veshin-175

[zenith jacinth]

Veko getting only one letter of the name

Poor teso

[orchid remnant]

Two, the e is from Vepo’s name

[zenith jacinth]

The e could also be from teshin

[orchid remnant]

It’s not

It’s from Vego

[zenith jacinth]

Why not veshin-175

Wait

My brain is short-circuiting again

[north trail]

Technically we don't know what happened to kahl and veto

[fossil fractal]

vezo could have been sent to granum void

[north trail]

Veshin-175-R

[icy ore]

Veco, this poor one, the meme about Alad mispronouncing him has transposed into the community

[languid vigil]

is crossprogression out yet?

[rain otter]

Hmmmm we see this persons hand and he seems to be like not Orokin.

Also hmmmm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/234792425460072448/985266817033445386/unknown.png

[dense kayak]

why does the right arm look more longer than the left one? is it just the view or??

[orchid remnant]

orokin things

[real niche]

Because it is.

[orchid remnant]

they love their "Great Hands"

[rain otter]

one of them is mechancial

also I dont know if they are oroking cuz their hand isn't blue or grey

[urban grove]

Looks like a dax chest piece

[rain otter]

nah also they could be a Orokin in a body they just didnt agument

[rain otter]

If he is a Dax that's gonna be really interestingm

[wild copper]

Maybe it's teshin

[rain otter]

No cuz he wouldn't have existed before and been traded with

And had a Wife.

[wild copper]

Ok, nvm, I'm really out of the loop with this 🤣

[rain otter]

@wild copper the wife thing is from chatter from a Solaris Worker https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/234792425460072448/985266817033445386/unknown.png

[still swan]

if you look on wiki it says he probably survived new war and run somwhere and he dont want to go back

[graceful zodiac]

Wiki is also very much speculation

[torpid lantern]

The wiki is written by fans and filled with a lot of speculation. That's just a theory

[graceful zodiac]

There's little chance he survived given he was directly face to face with Erra

[real niche]

"probably"

[torpid lantern]

And his neck got snapped from what it looked like

[wicked iron]

His helmet was crushed at least enough to knock him out (certainly potentially kill him), but his head wasn't twisted oddly.

[zenith jacinth]

Veso exploded, blood splatter where we last see kahl

[urban grove]

This is Warframe c'mon they keep hinting his return

[narrow jay]

Why can't you get an Uber in Fortuna? -They all Lyft together

[sharp spoke]

Did they fix Drifters looking completely unlike your operator on first playthrough of TNW?

[zenith jacinth]

Nope

[sharp spoke]

👍

[twilit geode]

Ah yes, who could forget Carrick, and his two brothers, Kerrick and Kerrick.

[safe meadow]

Make them your full crew just for confusions sake

[zenith jacinth]

Rng at it's finest

[obtuse gyro]

where's this from?

[rain otter]

Idle Fortuna Chatter

[tawny sierra]

I wish there was a way to make the drifter look less elderly. They're probly only like 40 but with they look so old

[zenith jacinth]

Probably supposed to be younger than 40, male drifters are just ugly

[tawny sierra]

I wish we could adjust the face more than just a mix slider

They also need some eyebrow filler if I'm bring honest

[vital creek]

its possible to make them look relatively young if you try really hard

drifter is just a lot harder to make look nice compared to op

[ruby island]

They're probably a tall "tenno" like Yonta, an Archimedean

[rain otter]

An Archimedean is just a scientist that's not a Orokin.

[tribal forum]

what is this blue thing?

[north trail]

And his original purpose was to self destruct anyways

[north trail]

Letting them have a properly groomed beard that doesn't look like an old man might help lol

[north trail]

Iirc if you go there as octavia smth happens

[tribal forum]

i am there with octavia and nothing happend

[north trail]

Apparently you need to use an emote there and then your mandachord plays

They're also in relays

[lapis portal]

you make your octavia dance in it and it plays music you selected or made

[scarlet basalt]

hoping that the unum will be having more implications post duviri or while duviri 🙏

[zenith jacinth]

Eh, duviri is in the void, don't think something that's on earth can make an appearance there

[scarlet basalt]

True, maybe something out of duviri but is still in the same patch.
I mean,they added a voice to her,i would be pretty surprised if this the only time they want to work with it

[frail nymph]

But we already heard her voice...

[scarlet basalt]

out of TNW ?

When i was saying "only time" i was referrencing to the new war.
Nakkak mention that she can hear her or something like that on mask of the revenant but i doubt anyone else did hear the Unum ?

[cyan crest]

The quills

[balmy forum]

once again unable to complete zariman missions...

[frail nymph]

All the Quills hear the Unum.

https://youtu.be/d_tduI30C3g

[scarlet basalt]

Rip to the people who request to seek an audience with the unum but she didn't want to talk 💀
Then some people can hear her

[frail nymph]

My bad, I misunderstood

[scarlet basalt]

No problem,ik you misunderstood.
But i still wonder if they will use her VA/Character more 🤔

[frail nymph]

I doubt she'll appear in main story, but a side quest would be fun

Unless of course her lore evolves into something very important

Given that who she is exactly is still mysterious

[scarlet basalt]

Starrlord made some interesting video around her.
So she can be especially good on the main story line given on how the theories of multiverse seems to be 4 years ago.Well is eternalism technically multiverse ?

[sharp spoke]

Yes and no. They go hand in hand, as far as Warframe is concerned

[scarlet basalt]

Ohh ok thank you

[rain otter]

The Unum as far as we can tell can see all the timelines and advises people based on that.

Also she seems to have some like time powers that she uses in tnw.

[oblique locust]

I assume I have to speak here for zarimin stuff
So I picked up this ball what do i do with it?

[obtuse walrus]

Lunaro ball has no use

[orchid remnant]

Not true

You can throw it into the goal and it makes a noise

[sharp spoke]

A fun noise

[velvet wing]

It also makes noise when you hit the pylons(?)

[frail nymph]

Please tell me it's a boing

[wraith sigil]

The goal also makes a noise when you slide through it btw

[frail nymph]

Aside from this, is there any confirmation on the mechanism by which the Holdfasts are healing?

Like they drink our radiated energy, but that just means they're not constantly getting worse and worse. Is there confirmation that our energy heals them as well?

[rain otter]

Probably? They get less and less metal on their face for each level but that's just uncorrupting them. Cavalero talks about how their bodies can take a Lotta damage and heal it back.

[cyan crest]

Given how they get better the more we supply them with void plumes, I guess it's that

Remember that supplying them with plumes is how we get standing

[rain otter]

I think their like Void like Bodies (I guess?) Are just healed by Void Energy.

[cyan crest]

Quinn says their memories are in the substance the angels secrete, we supply them with angel matter and they regain memories

And subsequently get better

[rain otter]

That's their corruption though not base healing.

[rain otter]

Also the memories quinn is talking about is the time of the accident Exaclty

[cyan crest]

That's what android meant by healing them, healing their corruption

[rain otter]

And not before or after.

[cyan crest]

The point still is that the regain memory when using the angels secretions

And the time of the accident is from the void jump onward

It includes the time of their deaths

[rain otter]

Ight

[scarlet basalt]

oh my god,duviri's horse are gigantic.
Must be around 2,5 meters tall

[zenith jacinth]

That is not that tall

[graceful zodiac]

For a horse, it is. That's just over 8 or so feet

[scarlet basalt]

You literally can't mount a duviri horse without double jumping (the red indicate where the leg is supposed to be.

[ionic sleet]

Legs don't hang that way when horse riding. The knee would come forward.

[scarlet basalt]

tbh it's very hard to see.
On the concept art we can see that it has a good proportion,with the legs being ~half of the model. they don't have weird anatomy like the angels. So wow,those horses are very tall.

[ionic sleet]

Leg would bend like this

[scarlet basalt]

Ohhh i see, with the holes that the "duviri dax" has i think it's normal that we would see coming from the horses 🤔 ?

[frail nymph]

Base healing happens with plumes

[narrow jay]

Why did Loki's Decoy win an award? -He was outstanding in the field!

[sage pond]

how much time it takes to a new player to reach and complete angels of zariman update so he can be ready for divuri?
lets say i start wf fresh account from today/now
when ill be ready for divuri?

[safe meadow]

Depending on how you went about it, maybe

Although it'd be a grind

[real niche]

Bare minimum would be 9 days, since you need 3.5 days to make the mech, but if the story is what you're playing this game for, turn away now, lest you be terribly disappointed. Most of this game is not the story quests

[cyan crest]

Hey, I play the game for the story :p

[cyan crest]

Also you can buy the mech

[real niche]

Which you really shouldn't.

The latter statement, to clarify

[narrow jay]

You would need an Amp to do some stuff, so there is a considerable chunk of content to go through

[zenith jacinth]

Eh, not really

Mote can do most things good enough, and you get an upgrade before the content where you really need it

[zenith jacinth]

Downloaded. That makes 2 of those.

[mystic lark]

I still can’t beat archon nira

[safe meadow]

Which ones thst

Snek owl or wulf

[obtuse gyro]

Nira sounds like snek

[safe meadow]

Ah I left tjem till last wolf is easy

[zenith jacinth]

Snek and wolf seem easiest to me

[rain prawn]

the new war is a great quest, but in phase 3 the enemies are so weak you'd find tougher enemies in neptune

[zenith jacinth]

That's probably supposed to show the power difference between warframe and tenno

Or just because it's a cinematic quest

[mental ice]

okay I need an answer... why is there a pet bed there? 😐

[orchid remnant]

Probably someone’s pet who died

[velvet wing]

It is kinda weird because it does appear to be the only non Zariman piece of decor here

[trim tinsel]

How did Gyres blueprints end up on the Zariman?

[dense kayak]

void maybe?

[frail nymph]

100 hours is doable but you gotta know what you're doing

[frail nymph]

Just pretend that they didn't

[rain otter]

Me too or well I really like the lore so it's a Cool Bonus.

[zenith jacinth]

New frame go into new content

[velvet wing]

“Explanation” for gyre being on Zariman || A passenger by the name of Gyra was sent aboard by Orokin Executor Ballas to act as a figurehead. She was renown for her graceful movements and was a gentle soul, yet misfortune befell her as the Zariman crossed the fold in the Void. She succumbed to madness and insanity same as the rest of the ship's occupants.||

[real niche]

Well no because that doesn't explain the Warframe being there since it wasn't created there, just Quinn mentioning that it reminds him of Gyra

[velvet wing]

That’s why I put it in quotes

That’s as much lore wise that we’ve got so far ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I mean ultimately it makes no sense for warframe components to be on the Zariman at all right?

[frail nymph]

Yes it makes no sense.

[zenith jacinth]

I think it's really just this

[frail nymph]

Yup it pretty much is

[sage pond]

almost thought I'd see a crewmate there for a sec

[frail nymph]

I'm bored so here's the actual leg

Bent legs and posture but yeah horse is around 7 ft tall at the head one could guess

[sage pond]

the question is will we be able to actually ride this horse arround divuri or will it be only in cutscenes? and if yes they have to also explain why we would not have this feauture in the rest of the open worlds
(cos i believe we wont get horse riding outside duviri but who knows)

[rain otter]

We see the Drifter Tenno on the Horse with a Amp

[frail nymph]

https://youtu.be/GuIILJ6ltUc?t=114 LMAO they used the Wilhelm scream!

[rain otter]

So Idk

This seems pretty close to actual game play but idk.

[icy ore]

It also looks like fortuna in the background no ?

[rain otter]

no

it looks like just moutains and trees and stuff

[torpid lantern]

I'm sad that it looks like they swapped out being able to use primaries ;-;

[sharp spoke]

Can't let you have too much fun!
E-Z fix though, use Laetum :)

[supple dagger]

i use praedos

[sharp spoke]

Doesn't work as a primary, but I agree praedos is good

[supple dagger]

oh for primary i dont really use primaries
i'll rarely use something like the cedo but i wont always

[sharp spoke]

Interesting 🤔
Phenmor is also very good

[strange python]

Looking at the tenncon painting, lord the zarimans a mother of a ship

There's also a second ship

[rancid tangle]

Rank 5 Entrati spoilers:

||Is "Ayatan" the actual name of the Tenno now, or is it just thier Entrati name?||

[wicked iron]

Just the name they choose to call us, for what we've done.

[sharp spoke]

Tennocon painting?

[lost tapir]

A lot of warframe story is just

||Ballas is awful||

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah

[sharp spoke]

He is was impressively awful

[lost tapir]

What is his list of crimes now

[sharp spoke]

Crimes against humanity include: genetic experimentation, torture, murder, high treason, generally being a pretty uncool dude

Oh, and having a dumb Emperor hat

[oak gull]

Are we gonna see Gameplay of the Duviri paradox?

In tennocon

[rain otter]

I mean ||names are made up Anya anyway so it's as real as any other name but it is our name the eyes of the Family but people are called different names by different people anyway||

[sharp spoke]

We have no way of knowing yet, but I'm gonna say it's a pretty safe bet that yes, there will be at least some gameplay

[strange python]

Yee, there's a painting you get for buying a in game pack and it shows duviris possible villain and two ships one being the zariman

[past kiln]

ballas' narmer drip is immaculate

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

[supple dagger]

ballas' narmer outfit im not a fan of but the gold makes a whole lot better

[frail nymph]

Did the holdfasts wake before or after Wally came out?

Or perhaps even later, after Grineer started shooting up the reliquary's membrane?

At least parts of Kira story is definitely post-Grineer since awoken angels were hunting her down...

And it makes sense for her to not have anyone to contact for help until after New War