spoiler-chat

[supple dagger]

are u in cetus?

right?

yes u have to do the "mountain" quest

than

[tribal hemlock]

I did, and got neutral as the end

[zenith jacinth]

Don't need to

[supple dagger]

dosent matter

[tribal hemlock]

it's still locked tho :/

[zenith jacinth]

Might have to do the saya's vigil quest, not sure

[tribal hemlock]

am I missing something?

[supple dagger]

can be

[tribal hemlock]

oh, the one I'm doing?

[zenith jacinth]

Idk

[tribal hemlock]

I mean, haven't done it so

🤷‍♀️

it's kinda funny that I missed that mission lol

and reach all the way to the war within

[supple dagger]

walk closer

[zenith jacinth]

That'd make the quest only semi-optional instead of fully ignorable

[supple dagger]

xd

just kidding

[tribal hemlock]

but I've ignored it already tho

and rn I'm doing it

[cyan crest]

Do the quest and then go back to the door

Won't unlock until you complete it

[tribal hemlock]

okay so, got the mail, probably related to that :v

[cyan crest]

Yes but one of the characters related to the door is very important in that quest
So, do the quest

[tribal hemlock]

just finished the glasses finding mission

[zenith jacinth]

I always thought it was fully ignorable without any issues coming out of it, but if it's needed to enter the door then that makes it semi-optional

[cyan crest]

There's a dialogue that requieres you to have beaten the quest to even know the context of in that door

[tribal hemlock]

well, if the player didn't pay attention to the mission, yeah, can be easily ignored

[cyan crest]

It can't be ignored because it's required for that door, which is what Hunter is saying

[zenith jacinth]

Yes, but the "erra" option at varzia also doesn't appear until the cutscene was viewed

[tribal hemlock]

rather than those mission that can be located in the codex

[swift pond]

I pray they don't fix the Ordis skin hovering too close to you. That isn't a bug, it's a character trait.

[tribal hemlock]

well this is new

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Say hello to onkko

[cyan crest]

Ask onkko about Saya :p

[tribal hemlock]

oh yeah, thanks for the reminder, almost forgot that

[zenith jacinth]

The dialogue option says "Onkko?"

[cyan crest]

Ah yeah

Well you knew what I meant

[zenith jacinth]

I don't have this pfp for nothing. Information stays inside.

[swift pond]

Go get high with uncle Onkko, cherish the time

Your "Onkkle", if you won't

[tribal hemlock]

oh c'mon

there is more?

[zenith jacinth]

Do you never check your quest log properly?

[tribal hemlock]

(I'm mention the one with "Talk to Cephalon")

[tribal hemlock]

nope

[zenith jacinth]

[cyan crest]

You didn't know about the other Cephalons?

Because Simaris is very prominent in one quest, and Suda has a syndicate

[tribal hemlock]

can someone explain why is this blocked?

🤔

is this another spoiler content or something?

[cyan crest]

Uhm
What mastery rank are you?

Oh wait a minute
LOL I think that that's not spoiler content, that's just a cut off path because it leads nowhere

The syndicate rooms are in a different floor than the simaris, teshin and Darvo rooms

[tribal hemlock]

uh where?

[cyan crest]

There's an elevator

Like, at the entrance

[tribal hemlock]

then go down or up?

as rn I'm at the upper floor

nvm, found it
literally right next to me lol

wait, this is different person or, wrong person?

and where is Cephalon Suda?

[supple dagger]

gg

[cyan crest]

Wrong person, you're in the wrong floor

[tribal hemlock]

wait, wasn't it suppose to be within the cephalon room?

[cyan crest]

There is no Cephalon room
There is a cephalon simaris room and a cephalon Suda room
Go to the other floor and search for the Suda room

[tribal hemlock]

I've lurk through the whole hall and none of them were

other than asking me for the offer trading :/

[cyan crest]

You haven't seen any syndicate room?

No steel meridian, red veil or anything?

[tribal hemlock]

how does it look like?

also should I ask this in #gameplay-discussion or just here?

[zenith jacinth]

It's not spoilers tbh

[tribal hemlock]

oh well, #gameplay-discussion then

[cyan crest]

It's also not difficult to find

[astral crypt]

This is kind of just speculation, but with Teshin suggested to be coming back in Duviri, maybe we will get a revisit for PvP also?

[real niche]

Good joke

[astral crypt]

Well since Duviri is focused on op/drifter who only have a handful of focus schools and the power creep is not as bad as it is for warframes/weapons, it would be a lot easier to balance and probably a lot more fun

[cyan crest]

The nikanas in the Dormizone aren't Teshin's

They just don't look like his

[jagged sable]

The only reason I can see the possibility of those Nikanas belonging to Teshin, is from that one New War image that had Teshin carrying a Duviri Nikana. I'm not 100% so don't quote me on that.

[cyan crest]

They don't look like the Dax nikana nor the duviri Dax nikana
Which is very weird
They're basically an un-ornamented set of Dax nikana

[real niche]

And then you remember that most of your time spent in OP is Void Mode

[cyan crest]

And that we haven't seen enough of duviri to claim most of our time will be spent in operator mode

[real niche]

And the fact they just don't care about PvP

[errant charm]

I suspect there is not a huge demand for pvp. And at this point they would need to make arena specific abilities so they wouldn’t have to nerf stuff that works fine.

[autumn turret]

huh, fun fact, amps count as primaries

[solemn elbow]

Wonder if they could be affected by Primary arcanes.

[autumn turret]

operator/drifter should be able to wear armor

crew members can after all

[cyan crest]

Operator fashion already looks bad enough (generally) without bits of plastic over it

[zenith jacinth]

I feel offended

[autumn turret]

oh yea syandana too

[fierce panther]

i feel like the voidshells are the future for operator armour especially, cause now they dont look like leather obsessed no matter what you do lol

[cyan crest]

It would be neat to apply materials to some operator clothes

[celest forge]

||ordis post new war on oxilus look like a open trashbin||

[zenith jacinth]

Oof

[olive flint]

find this symbol on minimap

[tribal hemlock]

found it already

[olive flint]

a

[tribal hemlock]

and also, finished the task too (kinda fun to play with actually)

I mean the mission

[olive flint]

you mean ||octavia's anthem|| right?

[tribal hemlock]

yeh

[supple dagger]

call me slow, but since when is alad v orokin?

[spark herald]

Since Natah Quest.

[wicked iron]

He isn't actually Orokin. The higher ups in the Corpus boast of having direct ancestry to Orokin. That's what those lines were about.

[rigid yoke]

The line that defines Orokin and just high class members of society is very blurry since its literally the same thing except ones have body mods and are allowed continuity. And even those dont follow the same rules, since people like Albrecht Entrati chose to not have a long arm. So if theres people defining Alad as an Orokin, id say he is

Specially if the acolytes say so, wich if they follow the same reasoning for their doings as Stalker, they know about Orokins a lot

[spark herald]

Orokin is more a caste than a race.

[supple dagger]

ah i see, when i hear orokin, i think of the entrati, tall people who love the colour of gold

[cyan crest]

Mind you the acolytes are working for Hunhow, who knows nothing about Alad, and they might know nothing about Alad either

[rigid yoke]

Acolytes work for Stalker, who works for Hunhow

[cyan crest]

Yes

[rigid yoke]

And Stalker does know about the Orokin

[cyan crest]

Not about Alad particularly

He could just be a descendent of Orokin people instead of an actual orokin man himself

[rigid yoke]

Well, yeah, that we don't know. I just mean that there's a considerable chance he knows more about the line that defines Orokin than us

[cyan crest]

I do not see him with kuva and that stuff

[rigid yoke]

That too

[tropic patrol]

Corpus was established by parvos, right ? In response to orokin feudal practices ?

[cyan crest]

Him being a descendent of Orokin could explain why he insists in calling us betrayers

[cyan crest]

Yes
To fight feudalism he created space capitalism

[rigid yoke]

I love that betrayers gets even more meaning when he goes mutalist

Cause you know, warframes

[tropic patrol]

So unlikely any of the corpus are actually orokin descendants, and more like posers who are trying to fill in the power gap by claiming old throne of orokin

[rigid yoke]

That's a very possible explanation too. If there's something resembling what the orokin were, that's the high tier of corpus

[tropic patrol]

Warframes are betrayers no matter what cause they were orokin soldiers who murdered orokin, to anybody who knows that history, warframes will betrayers regardless of any ties with orokin

[cyan crest]

Except not really
After the collapse any remaining orokin who didn't get beheaded would run for shelter into any of the other factions
Case in point: the grineer Queens

[supple dagger]

If Stalker knew Alad was an Orokin, he wouldn't have been trying to him him

[rigid yoke]

I mean, yeah, but being a hybrid with infested matter at some point, and us being one too even if in a metaphorical sense, would make us betrayers for not collaborating with the infestation

The infested themselves are confused about why we attack them

[cyan crest]

That too, the main reason Stalker wants to kill us is because we killed the orokin, that's how loyal he was
He wouldn't betray them in such a way

[fading mountain]

The acolytes specifically note that Alad is Orokin.

[supple dagger]

Likely cause Hunhow called him one

[rigid yoke]

You say that but his hate for the us seems compatible with his hate for the Orokin. Without him, we couldn't have killed Ballas

[cyan crest]

So does Hunhow, neither know muck about Alad nor can we be sure the acolytes know about the orokin as Stalker did

[tropic patrol]

They say that but you also have stories in leverian that depict warframes as individuals and according to steve it's basically an outside perspective from people who have no clue what warframes actually are

So just because they state that, doesn't mean it's true

[rigid yoke]

Specially Ballas, the only one with a hate to the Tenno remotely similar to his

[cyan crest]

Ballas betrayed the orokin, he's as much an object of stalker's hate as we are

[rigid yoke]

And let's not forget he allied himself with the biggest enemy of the Orokin. Papa Hunhow

[cyan crest]

To kill us, a common enemy

[rigid yoke]

Conclusion: Stalker just mucking hates everyone except his sentient therapist

[supple dagger]

when does alad first call us betrayers ingame?

Either Second Dream or his boss fight

Possibly Gravidus Dilemma

[cyan crest]

Probably in the Gradivus dilema

[supple dagger]

this shows around the zenuka project time

[cyan crest]

He was asking us to betray our own kind there so it makes total sense for him to call us betrayers in Gradivus

[supple dagger]

unless this is way after the intial zenuka fight

[cyan crest]

It's after Gradivus

When we kinda sold Alad and allied ourselves with the grineer

He could be calling us betrayers because of that too

[supple dagger]

ah i missed that event

2013, jeeze

[cyan crest]

It was very early on

Holy hell Alad became mutalist a long time ago too

Mf had his entire character arc the first few years of the game

[tropic patrol]

Guy will shake hands with anyone if he thinks it'll save him

[supple dagger]

would you say mutalist is 'cannon' to new war?

[cyan crest]

It is Canon no matter what, including to new war

[supple dagger]

nb4 void alad

[rigid yoke]

Lol

[cyan crest]

Alad is scared from the mutalist strain in the ropadopa fight
New war is after the ropadopa fight
Mutalist Alad is canon

[rigid yoke]

And now we have to wait to find out if he finally died or somehow survived the explosion and now is making void hybrids cause mans has no sense of self preservation

[cyan crest]

Alad probably wasn't in teko's ship

He asks for control of the fleet, not only of Vemo's ship

[rigid yoke]

Just for the memes, I hope you're right

[cyan crest]

Ngl he probably wasn't even in orbit around earth

[tropic patrol]

Alad v has never been in a fight since mutalist alad v, he learned his lesson 😄

[rigid yoke]

I wonder if he's behind the corpus assaults on the Zariman. Humans mutating into that is something that would interest him

[tropic patrol]

I wanna fight perfume bottle man though

[rigid yoke]

Nvm. I think it was said to be Parvos

[tropic patrol]

It's parvos

[rigid yoke]

Lol

[tropic patrol]

He hasn't been in the lime light since deck 12

[supple dagger]

in tnw, did alad sound the same to his mutalist fight? like grunting?

thought he sounded clear in TNW (not fighting the mutalist strain)

[cyan crest]

Alad was cured of the mutalist strain in 2015, no reason to sound like the mutalist version lmao

[rigid yoke]

He was cured albeit not fully but yeah

[tropic patrol]

He's not as affected by the virus, he was cured but afaik the virus is still in his system, just dormant

[cyan crest]

Fully
All that remain are scars

[supple dagger]

welp i missed that too

[rigid yoke]

Those do be very open bright scars

[tropic patrol]

We cure him with the tubemen

[rigid yoke]

He did get a better ending than Regor

[cyan crest]

also the infestation acts like a fungus more than a virus why do we still say it's a virus

[rigid yoke]

Mans tried to make friends and cure his brothers and the reward was a tenno beating and drown

[cyan crest]

Mf awoke hunhow and by a domino effect is the sole reason for the new war happening, he deserves all tortures and beyond

[rigid yoke]

fair point

[supple dagger]

dam, ive really forgotten the timeline of events

might need to redo all the quest in order

[tropic patrol]

Virus cause way back when dark sector's technocyte virus is the basis of all this, but at this point who knows if infestation doesn't belong in its own catagory

[rigid yoke]

Doesn't help that stuff like alad getting cured was in an event and not a quest

[tropic patrol]

The was a lot of lore in events pre 2016

[rigid yoke]

Yep

[cyan crest]

It's a fungus, it grows similarly to a fungus and even reproduces by spores
It takes over individuals like the zombie ant fungus

[tropic patrol]

Those you can only experience through people who have them archived

[cyan crest]

The infestation is a fungus and I'm gonna die on this hill

[rigid yoke]

The wiki is nice but you gotta know where to look or accidentally find some names in the respective character pages

[crimson river]

If we are gonna be technical a virus cant infect computer systems aswel as bio systems so its defo a league of its own... No a fungus cant either

[tropic patrol]

Question, in deimos, is it the void that the infestation reaches out to or is it just the sky ?

[crimson river]

You're on a very tiny hill there brother

[crimson river]

Wouldnt it be likely for it to be reaching out to the living people in the ships that occasionally pass by? Like a zombie plague would

[fossil fractal]

something describes it like this

[crimson river]

I guess that makes sense?

[cyan crest]

It's basically nanobots

[crimson river]

But thats just naming what it does not so much what it is

[tribal hemlock]

hey um

how does this count as fail?

[crimson river]

Dont you need to get a specific amount?

And not just more than the enemies

[tribal hemlock]

I mean, higher than enemy team?

[tropic patrol]

You need to score the required amount

Just have more will not do

[fossil fractal]

you got 10 more than them so he ran away iirc

[tribal hemlock]

wdym he ran away?

[crimson river]

Oh

[tribal hemlock]

y'know, those game tend to not telling rule at all so

I'm very confused as why did I ended up losing even tho I'm technically higher than them

[fossil fractal]

just follow mission objective i think it tells you that there

[crimson river]

They do say the rules im pretty sure, doesnt ergo say like dont beat him too hard or hell wuss out

[fossil fractal]

but glast gambit did eat through my credits because i failed some missions

im too good at index B) ||joke||

[tribal hemlock]

I didn't understand what the heck is that man talking about tbh

[crimson river]

Get no more than 10 apperantly

[tribal hemlock]

wot

[crimson river]

But still more than them

[fossil fractal]

not 10 points more than your enemy

[tribal hemlock]

that's a bit tricky, but it didn't tell me straight away :/

[fossil fractal]

so like enemy at 15 you cant get 25 or something

[crimson river]

Its what the ultimate homie said so im going with that

[fossil fractal]

i did glast gambit a little bit ago (i would like to replay to tell you but thats not option)

[crimson river]

I did it ages ago

2 years i think but dont fully recall

When it came out i did it

[zenith jacinth]

It does

[tribal hemlock]

this is annoying

[lapis portal]

might as well max out zenurik

cause i hardly think i'd change tenno school for a long time

unairu is next after i max zenurik

manly for "last gasp" and "vengeance"

[supple dagger]

madurai is kinda more of a faster term benefit too

[bright jungle]

I wondering what's behind the other door in the dorm room the one with the swords by it

[zenith jacinth]

Probably duviri

[fossil fractal]

or just a washroom

[bright jungle]

If the dorm room is anything like the odeter the door might open in a few years at least

[fossil fractal]

i dont think the door's just gonna flat-out open into duviri

[bright jungle]

That might be the 3rd elevator or in the docking area

[autumn turret]

but imagine if it did

[zenith jacinth]

When you go there as drifter (who was confirmed to be the guy from the duviri trailer iirc) there's waves of grey coming from the door, the duviri tune plays and the sword of the duviri dax are there

[fossil fractal]

would be funny but i would find it a lot funnier if it just opened into a washroom

imagine so much hype build up only for it to lead in washroom

[bright jungle]

Or it opens up so we can interact with the operator if we are the drifter and viseversa

[fossil fractal]

i wanted that in dormizone

[zenith jacinth]

There's no reason for that imo

[bright jungle]

True but the story line just started

[zenith jacinth]

That makes no sense

[bright jungle]

The new war was the end of an ark and the start of a new one

The ark we are going in is manly about the tenno

[zenith jacinth]

It's about the void

[bright jungle]

And the tenno have a extremely strong connection to the void

[sharp matrix]

how do i void blast with op? when i press e it just sends me back to my wfm

[jagged sable]

Unfortunately, Void Blast is gone.

[zenith jacinth]

Yep

Not like it was that useful to begin with

Naramon has a discount version of it now I think

[astral crypt]

I liked communicating with other players with void blast though

[sharp matrix]

oh damn

so only amp now?

as op weapon

[autumn turret]

void blast was not really a weapon tbh

also they now have abilities

which is usually what the void blast did

[sharp matrix]

oh as in 1 2 3 4 abilities for op?

[autumn turret]

only 1 and 2 but yea

[vital creek]

i don't see why they couldn't just change void blast to use the heavy attack key, and transference melee can use the normal melee key

but honestly it was just a cc, and naramon and zenurik got abilities that replaced its function well enough iirc

[pulsar canopy]

what is a zariman

[autumn turret]

its a ship

well the zariman 10-0 is

[pulsar canopy]

i want the funny custom room

[autumn turret]

do the new war and then the angels of the zariman

[leaden leaf]

Zariman 10-0 is the ship all the Tenno operators were on when we got exposed to void juice

Which is why wecre called tenno

[pulsar canopy]

void juice??

[autumn turret]

what is the last quest you've completed

[pulsar canopy]

like i would know i havnt logged in since 3 weeks ago, ill check rn

i knew i had to ask how to get it when i saw "CUSTOMIZABLE DORMIZONES"

i have an urge always for customization

[autumn turret]

well you need to do every main quest

[pulsar canopy]

still checking for updates

[autumn turret]

im guessing you've done less than half

[pulsar canopy]

i remember doing neptune missions on my alt

aka what i prefer to play on

[autumn turret]

less than half

[vital creek]

so yea less than half

[autumn turret]

and before the real story gets started

[vital creek]

dormizones require completing the final story quest

[pulsar canopy]

well i suppose i am close on my main

nearing the end of the new war

[autumn turret]

you definately dont sound like someone who is near the end of the new war

[pulsar canopy]

i havent logged onto my main in like 3 maybe 4 months

[vital creek]

you only did part of the new war?

[autumn turret]

im not sure how thats a signifigant amount of time

[safe creek]

Now i know that it doesnt really move

[autumn turret]

of course

neither does fortuna's afaik

[safe creek]

Scam!

i thought it moved!

[autumn turret]

the railjack doesnt move in the warp tunnel

[safe creek]

Is this normal tho?

[vital creek]

Good thing drifter isn’t any taller or he’d have a headache

[safe creek]

Nah im the air walker

i walk on air

[timid condor]

He's the original Air-walker.

[past viper]

is there a way to put the venus open world back to snow?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[past viper]

sad times cause i really like winter biomes

[orchid remnant]

No you don’t, you hate them

[zenith jacinth]

No way to return to old fortuna either

[supple dagger]

no more "we lift together" cutscenes

[zenith jacinth]

Indeed

[torpid lantern]

I miss Cyberpunk Fortuna. It was my favorite place in the whole game

[wraith hatch]

so here it comes again. Who rigged the eyeballs of drifter? this definitly doesn't look quite right

[torpid lantern]

The neck is also super odd on the operators since they seem seems have a different rig than the body

[simple python]

That is definitely off.

[wraith hatch]

this is how she looks normaly while not casting an ability

[simple python]

Maybe you might be misrigged. Try changing operator and back.

[obtuse walrus]

It's really hard to make drifters look good imo, just play around with the face blender ig

[simple python]

I got misrigged after the AoZ conclusion. It had reverted me to Operator but weird. Had a 5 oclock shadow lmao.

[obtuse walrus]

Definetely better, maybe it's just a bug

[torpid lantern]

I don't think it's just the eyes. The face seems to be squishing

[simple python]

Definitely a bug.

[sweet rapids]

LMAO

[zenith jacinth]

Casts an ability, but angery

[wraith hatch]

i honestly just started to burst out laughing as i saw this in captura

"maby i can get a cool pose while casting an abilit..."
"nvm"

[supple dagger]

Amber Heard

[sharp spoke]

Executor Tuvul seems like a cool dude

[orchid remnant]

He is

[zenith jacinth]

Most of the time

Alright voice, albrecht is still superior

[sharp spoke]

For sure, Albrecht is superior. Tuvul does have a great "Council of Seven" voice.
I like that his audio logs are just like, "CITIZENS - WE ARE AWESOME. SCREW YOU."

[zenith jacinth]

That summary makes them 1000% better

DE should add a secret audio log where he just says that ngl

[sharp spoke]

Lmao agreed

[orchid remnant]

He loves to say citizens doesn’t he

[undone jewel]

Just found out that the Zariman is coming out of the Duviri Paradox, which you can see from the orbiter. Does this mean that the Zariman we see isn't ours but one from a different timeline?

[vital solstice]

So far, the parallels between what we're finding on this Zariman are consistent with what we knew happened on ours, so it seems like it's ours. Our operator's reactions seem to show that they believe it is our version.

[stable grove]

Has war within changed much with the operator changes

[past kiln]

instead of void blast it's void sling

[sage pond]

bought the zariman syndicate materials and made this, like it a lot
hopefully the other skins too get ability to swap materials on them

is it possible to change the costume enrgy lighting without altering the energy collor for the abilities of the operator?

[obtuse gyro]

scroll down and the colour options are there

[sage pond]

theres "suit energy" and "secondary suit energy"
which one effects what
i thought these are used to mix 2 collors and create like amalgamation or something

egh gotta test

hm seems its not possible

[steady stag]

what do you think Voidplum food name should be?

[sage pond]

epic

[errant charm]

ginger, the odd irregular shapes are kinda like ginger root

[twilit geode]

The cheese nubbins that hang off of the tin foil you put over the lasagna that you just pulled out of the oven.

[mild kelp]

1 whole week of grinding and i finally got the goddamn scythe, why do the parts only show up when i dont care about them

and now i feel empty

[obtuse gyro]

rule 369b of the internet: you get the things you stop wanting

[mild kelp]

💀

[errant charm]

MMO and MMO like games never have drop tables that work for you. But you will see everyone else their drops and run off no longer needing the farm.

[heavy obsidian]

Chili Pepper for Kuva, perfect

[dry magnet]

Lets all make petition for DE to make new warframe game with same as all this but to be in unreal engine 5 and we would be having everything so much faster. I would even pay for a full game price if this happenes…

[heavy obsidian]

A better game engine would be very nice

[flat shadow]

Will this petition also come with a place to donate the funds for DE to stop development on their existing game entirely to focus on creating a new game on a new engine? Development on a new game takes a long time, even for huge AAA publishers. A small team like DE it could take even longer. I've been waiting for the phoenix project for 13 years and counting.

[cyan crest]

And recreating the whole game on another engine would be stupidly risky cause some of the things we're already used to are gonna be radically changed and people will be mad for sure

[pure granite]

Just look at the reaction to Void Dash to Void Sling change...

[cyan crest]

Exactly

[flat shadow]

Somebody is always mad about something.

[brisk shard]

😡

[flat shadow]

Personally, I like the new one. I spend a lot less time running into walls.

[twilit geode]

Void Sling became vastly more tolerable after they sped it up. Before it felt like going from a Maclaren F1 (Void Dash) to a Toyota Corolla (Void Sling).

[spark herald]

It only got 10% faster, it's still terribly slow.

[twilit geode]

I still prefer Void Dash, I just wish there was a toggle. Faster Void Dash style for those that prefer it. Or Void Sling for those that prefer more control over it.

[spark herald]

Sling is less controllable as it doesn't go in a straight line

[zenith jacinth]

It does tho

[supple dagger]

Sling is absolutely more controlled. And I could care less about the speed in the end, it's not what I used it for

[tribal hemlock]

idk if this belong to #players-helping-players or here but, does anyone here know what should I do here?

[zenith jacinth]

Kill the enemy type on the vessel. Wiki has a guide on every quest too.

[obtuse gyro]

sands of inaros quest step, put the vessel into your gear inventory, and then kill the specific enemy on the vessel X number of times

[tribal hemlock]

wait

the specific enemy on the vessle?

did this co-respond to the corpo?

or grineer?

[zenith jacinth]

Grineer seeker

Again, wiki has a guide that explains all the possible options. It's very useful.

[tribal hemlock]

but the wiki doesn't explain why it isn't charged

even tho I've mucked several seeker

[zenith jacinth]

It explains how many you need to kill

[tribal hemlock]

more than 50?

[obtuse gyro]

first says 60, and its not just any grineer it must be grineer seekers

[acoustic nexus]

I'm noticing a slight... Annoyance. I've already done Arbitrations before, but with Angels of the Zariman I can no longer do them because I have nodes to finish? I mean, I already had access. Why did I lose it?

[obtuse gyro]

star map expanded thanks to AoTZ

[tribal hemlock]

I mean, I do know which is grineer seekers, and kidnap them

[acoustic nexus]

Yeah, I know. But why did I lose access?

[tribal hemlock]

just, not sure why it isn't charged at all

[obtuse gyro]

because your star map is not complete anymore because it expanded

[tribal hemlock]

even equipped in the inventory as well

[obtuse gyro]

kidnap?

[tribal hemlock]

or should I say "kill"

[acoustic nexus]

aight then, cool. off to farm.

[zenith jacinth]

Capture is not the right mission.

Well, it can be

[tribal hemlock]

so same goes extermination, survival, disruption as well as rescue?

[zenith jacinth]

A correct kill is indicated by a visual- and an audio cue

[tribal hemlock]

well, how does the cue sound like?

[zenith jacinth]

I don't know, that's just what the wiki said

[patent stump]

did they said anything about the next prime unvault? (hope its something with a good operator clothing included... :v)

[real niche]

They announced it like a whole month ago, scroll up in #warframe-news-feed. Chroma and Zephyr

[fossil fractal]

so you do get commodore prime

[stray lynx]

Commodore prime does look swishy

[fossil fractal]

commodore prime and harrier prime probably my favs

i hope they add voidshell to those i would pay all of my savings for that

[tribal hemlock]

mind if I ask what the heck is this?

[obtuse gyro]

you've picked up a kuva lich

stabbed a random larvaling have ye

[tribal hemlock]

and what does it do?

[stray lynx]

You now have a nemesis. They’re probably taking over Earth right now

[obtuse gyro]

its your adversary, its going to keep robbing you of the rewards you get in missions of the planet theyre occupying

[tribal hemlock]

is that suppose to be the part of the mission that keep going or?

[obtuse gyro]

its not part of sands of inaros

[tribal hemlock]

I have no idea to be honest

[stray lynx]

It’s a side thing. Liches aren’t part of any quest.

[tribal hemlock]

like, what the heck is that

[tribal hemlock]

how do I get rid of them then?

[stray lynx]

Ooooh boy

[obtuse gyro]

long story

[stray lynx]

First you need to gather Kuva relics from Kuva flood missions

And open them for special parazon mods

[tribal hemlock]

Kuva relics? hold on

like, those ball shape crates?

[stray lynx]

Yes. Kuva relics are a particular type of ball you get from a mission type called Kuva Flood

[supple dagger]

Requiem relics, which drop from any Kuva siphon mission

[tribal hemlock]

I have none?

[obtuse gyro]

you have to do the lich missions that are present on the planet, there will be thralls that spawn which you need to kill then mercy kill to collect whispers, which once collected they will tell you one of 3 requiem mods you need to kill the kuva lich, but will not tell you the order of the requiem mods. you will need to collect all 3 and set them in the right order of your parazon to send your lich to the railjack node. in order to get requiem mods you need to open kuva relics and to get kuva relics you need to do kuva siphon missions or you might get them from killing a thrall.

you currently have 1 requiem I and 1 requiem IV relic.

if you get the order wrong, your lich will level up and change planets, getting stronger each time. Up to a maximum of Rank 5

[tribal hemlock]

man

why is this so tedious tho
even with the wiki guide, I'm still confused as well

[stray lynx]

But if you do ALL that then at the end you can get either an awesome weapon or an awesome NPC crew member for your Railjack

[obtuse gyro]

because these liches are gateways to some of the most powerful weapons in the game

[tribal hemlock]

what is Railjack btw?

[obtuse gyro]

have you done the Rising Tide quest?

[tribal hemlock]

hold on

[obtuse gyro]

if not then youll find out there

[tribal hemlock]

nope, it's still locked

[obtuse gyro]

I hope you've finished second dream

[tribal hemlock]

the what again?

[obtuse gyro]

the second dream quest?

[tribal hemlock]

the one I've completed?

[obtuse gyro]

if youve done it all you have to do is the last two requirements

[tribal hemlock]

um

I have to build the railjack?

[stray lynx]

Basically what that screenshot says is that to unlock the Rising Tide you need to complete The Second Dream, then by and craft the cephalon fragment from the market

[obtuse gyro]

yea, thats the whole rising tide quest, building the railjack

[tribal hemlock]

again, I have no idea how these work so

[stray lynx]

Once you’ve built the cephalon, the quest itself will talk you through building the rail jack

[tribal hemlock]

wait, wasn't railjack suppose to be purchased with plat?

there is no blueprint for it tho?

[fossil fractal]

search in market

[obtuse gyro]

other than cosmetics, everything in this game can be obtained for free

[tribal hemlock]

again, no blueprint, at all, other than those bundles

[stray lynx]

You can, but honestly it’s an easy enough quest, not worth spending real money

[obtuse gyro]

because the blueprint is in the Rising Tide Quest

[fossil fractal]

railjack cephalon

[tribal hemlock]

wait so

if I need to build the railjack, then I have to unlock the Rising Tide Quest, which required the railjack???

[obtuse gyro]

fam

[stray lynx]

Railjack cephalon fragment

It’s a particular item, it’s not the railjack itself

[obtuse gyro]

you have to build the railjack cephalon not the railjack

[tribal hemlock]

but how

[obtuse gyro]

the cephalon blueprint is in the market

[stray lynx]

The railjack cephalon fragment blueprint is purchasable for credits

On market

[tribal hemlock]

this one?

[stray lynx]

Yes

[tribal hemlock]

=.=
can't believe this game is confused af

[stray lynx]

Yeah, Warframe is kind of a hodgepodge that requires a wiki to navigate. It’s the games main flaw tbh

[tribal hemlock]

bro

even with the wiki itself, I'm still stuck on the vessel which didn't have any progression AT ALL

[obtuse gyro]

mind showing what your vessel looks like currently?

[tribal hemlock]

um

idk how to show it actually

it just pop right there, and soft locked

[obtuse gyro]

enter decoration mode and remove the statue

[tribal hemlock]

well, I could still interact with it

and it's still nothing =.=

so I'm not quite sure if it's target at the actual grineer seekers or something else?

or, the information on the wiki itself is misleading?

[obtuse gyro]

have you been killing grineer? or specifically grineer seekers?

[tribal hemlock]

more than 50

not those regular grineer, I've count those with idk, weird cue sound

[obtuse gyro]

now when we say equipped in inventory, what do you take it as?

[tribal hemlock]

this?

[obtuse gyro]

try killing more grineer seekers

[tribal hemlock]

also it's very confused as sometime "in inventory" and "in loadout slot" were also identical

yet it's completely different meaning

[tribal hemlock]

so it's more than 200?

[obtuse gyro]

they did say "gear inventory" which is a loadout thing

[tribal hemlock]

or 500? as it literally charge nothing

[obtuse gyro]

you needed to kill 60

[tribal hemlock]

guess I'll try that tomorrow, as right now it's literally 1:15 AM

with someone else, skilled enough to help me through this weird thing

[fleet veldt]

Kill the Arid/sand version on Mars. Everything to do with Inaros has relation to sand.
Bursas? Osiris.
Seekers? Arid variant, typical to warmer climates. Like the deserts of Mars.
Etc

[keen jungle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[errant charm]

The ghost that busts back.

[scarlet basalt]

What would be the timeline of the drifter reality ?
We only know that drifter only got to our reality but not his timeline/reality as the drifter was stuck in the void.
As far as we know the old war was about fighting the sentient as a tenno/Warframe.
Well in their timeline there is no Tenno/warframe , this would mean that the sentient can easily win against the orokin as there is no real defense on the starchart that can trivialize the orokin ?
The unreleased sentient model in TNW could also be prototype that can be fought on drifter's timeline maybe ? As the starchart would be pretty much only sentient, tho it's unknown if sentients can die of old age . Well perghasa is one thing too, Could there be something about perghasa that is still not discovered ? Maybe trying to protect the sentient of the void power,because the void is known to exterminate the sentient even with their innate adaptation ?

[thick jolt]

Imagine fighting alongside vay hek for precious air in another timeline that would be fun

[scarlet basalt]

I imagine that Drifter's timeline that would be a literal hell
Like they tried infested,grineer,weapon,everything but nothing worked and instead they've destroyed even faster than what their current climate activist were trying to say lmao

[errant charm]

Possibly real space in the drifter timeline was centuries of narmer if Ballas still played his long game.

[scarlet basalt]

I doubt
Naarmer was a fruition of the death of margulis because of the seven condamned her to have raised the children despite being demons and also the alliance between him and the sentient who was led by Erra.
In this case it wouldn't be that but only the greed of power that Ballas want. As we know he is abusive and even more in TNW.
Sentients wouldn't care about that,even more hunhow who was really at the command with perghasa and hunhow want to destroy orokins without thinking twice .

In this timeline,there is no demon.Only a lost ship in the void and unknown fate to the solar system.
As Natah has said that her exploration to Tau changed her with sentience and to every sentient There would still be an attack ?

One thing that was pretty funny in the last fight is how Lotus was told to be a "monstrous b..." with how she was portrayed as a chimera in the prologue,well that was to be expected that someone that would hate/love her would say that lol

[wise bane]

I can't use the chat, it's saying that I don't have permission to use it, does anyone know what it could be?

[craggy solstice]

What chat?

[wise bane]

all in game chat

[craggy solstice]

That's... Interesting.

[wise bane]

do you know what i can do to fix it?'

[craggy solstice]

Did you get chat suspended?

[wise bane]

I'm new in the game

[craggy solstice]

Maybe you shouldn't be in this channel then since it's for spoilers. However, it's possible that you are not high enough mastery yet to speak in chat(?). I am unsure as I've never had this issue before.

[wise bane]

oh ok then, thank you

[obtuse gyro]

Well quite simply, we actually dont have to care, because to our timeline, drifter's timeline isnt real, even if drifter himself exists

[lapis portal]

should i get this for my tenet arca plasmor?

i ask here for a reason aka dead teshin

[swift pond]

Not for Arca or most shotties tbh, you're better off slotting Galv Acceleration in the Exilus slot.

Kohm would be a decent fit, being a shotgun LMG of sorts.

[dim bobcat]

I'm at the part in New War where I have to choose between operator or drifter, is there a difference?

[cyan crest]

Only in dialogue
The quest will play out the same

[quartz basalt]

^

[stray lynx]

Not really. I think Drifter has a slightly further roll distance or something but nothing that seriously affects the game.

[cyan crest]

You're not gonna spend much time on operator mode anyway

[dim bobcat]

Is there any benefit to doing the optionals and rescuing everyone

[cyan crest]

Feeling good with yourself

[limber grove]

Kahl is the main character

[stray lynx]

I thought that was Ordis?

[limber grove]

Nah kahl is the best character

[stray lynx]

After Darvo

[limber grove]

No kahl is the best character you can’t convince me otherwise

[cyan crest]

Ok

He's most likely dead tho

[limber grove]

He is

[stray lynx]

We are all entitled to our own opinions. Though only my opinions are infallible obviously

[limber grove]

Still the best character

[tribal hemlock]

@obtuse gyro update here

idk why but when I login, this happen

[obtuse gyro]

ah so you just got hit with some minor bug then, go ahead and kill more seekers, baro will tell you when to stop

[tribal hemlock]

wat

wait hold on

did the progression goes like, refresh daily or each gameplay?

[obtuse gyro]

gameplay, if you clear the required number, baro will tell you whilst in the mission that youre done with this stage of the quest

[tribal hemlock]

ah ok

but should I build the railjack first to get rid of this?

[fossil fractal]

up to you really

[tribal hemlock]

didn't want my resource cut in half tbh

[fossil fractal]

railjacks arent that expensive

just some argon is the anoying bit

[obtuse gyro]

eh, its not too troubling really, since your lich is like level 1 it shouldnt be too annoying since it only affects earth and thats it

[undone jewel]

Railjacks used to be very expensive. They’re not that bad these days. But if you want to fully get rid of the lich you should since they will always flee to a railjack mission at the end

[hasty cloud]

In my view, drifter has a slower walkspeed and a wider roll. While operator has a faster walkspeed and a slide not as wide as the roll.

[zenith jacinth]

They're the same speed, drifter just feels slower due to having slower animations so it doesn't look weird

[vital creek]

They’re the same speed, drifter has like a 2x better roll

[errant charm]

operator feels faster for the same reason puntables err gnomes in WoW feel faste, camera is closer to the ground and yeah faster animations.

[vital creek]

Yea drifter just looks like he’s running in place, but he’s the same speed

[errant charm]

Drifter must be about 6ft/1.85m since he stands on par with frames like Rhino in height.

[vital creek]

Yea

Even though like every NPC is like 5’6 iirc

[errant charm]

I guess those cubes on the Zariman really are good stuff at least for needs of a body. I am betting they probably do not taste great.

[vital creek]

well the goal for them is probably to be efficient in size and nutrients for long term survival in the colony, not for being a luxury meal

[timid condor]

We can always eat nano-spores

I want to be somewhere else...TaStE sOmEonE eLsEEEE.

[rain pawn]

still find it weird that out of all the chemistry things, the test tubes are 10x as expensive

[zenith jacinth]

You're not the only one

[shy pier]

So why is there just some nikanas chilling in my zaro room?

[vital creek]

Most likely a reference to the dax soldier in the duviri trailer, which would explain why they only show up when you’re the drifter

[crystal harness]

did DE ever mention if the drifter would be getting the somatics scars as a customization option down the road?

[placid ermine]

auien me ayuda a farmear a garuda

[fossil fractal]

server sadly english only

though wfcd does have some other language channel iirc

[zenith jacinth]

They won't, as the scars are related to our operator's interaction with void, and somatics were used by the orokin to make transference easier

[scarlet basalt]

I feel like he should be called quandale dingle

[lapis portal]

i wish i could blow that up

[fossil fractal]

me too

make it damagable DE please

ill kill it with paracesis when i get it

[lapis portal]

destroy statue of a person with a god complex with his own weapon he stabbed us with

[fossil fractal]

i love irony

[lapis portal]

he straight up gave us weapon 1st

than took it back

[fossil fractal]

i wish i could revive him to stab him again

[lapis portal]

than he sees lotus we chose

as soon as he sees her we stab him

[fossil fractal]

i wish i could use paracesis as lotus and stab him with it

bring him back, have lotus say "hey" then she stab him

[lapis portal]

on rebeca(DE) can use lotus as playable character

[fossil fractal]

i hope that changes

[fast basalt]

[zenith jacinth]

He gave us the idea of it

[spark herald]

Made us spend the ducats

[lapis portal]

ordis was 1 who made it for free

[swift pond]

Yep

[wicked iron]

No memes in the server, please. 🙂

[swift pond]

Then remove Ballas from the game

[steady stag]

what is this??

[orchid remnant]

A spoiler for The Third Dream

[autumn turret]

its an overlay for an ememy, those sometimes get orphaned

[swift pond]

Aw man, they fixed clingy Ordis.

[scarlet basalt]

Huh,raising sharks ?
Idk why you're here bro tell us wtf lmaooo

[buoyant current]

what quest is the next after the war within

[scarlet basalt]

most likely chains of harrow ?

[stray lynx]

I miss Narmer hacking. I hope we'll get more sentient terminals to hack some day.

[scarlet basalt]

naarmer could have more implication in the future,this thing is pretty insane knowing that people are still getting those veil despite ballas being dead.
Tho the weirdest thing is that they're implied to have someone else at the commands

[fierce panther]

frrr, i feel like that hacking was what hackinng in WF should be, fluid and fast, i hate how grinneer annd corpus hacking brings fast parcour n stuff to a halt

it's cool you can like learn how to do it real fast asweell

[scarlet basalt]

Ballas should be renamed quandale Dingle

[indigo dawn]

There any talk of giving the apartment we got some Drifter's Camp touches? Making it a main hub of operations, or making things like the bed/chairs/food interactable?

[vital creek]

i'm pretty sure they confirmed it won't ever be given main hub features, though making stuff interactable would be cool

[kind rover]

my friend ran into a bug in the new war

he used the hot air balloon as drifter

[zenith jacinth]

He's held in this world due to him wanting to save his daughter

[cyan crest]

Hehe, like ghosts

[errant charm]

I tend to think there is some limitation buried in the code somewhere and that is why only orbiter maps can offer all the services you need. I mean obviously wall mouth cant travel. would be nice to home base the dorm and have the forge. and the ability to home base it as a sign in location with navigation.

[limber grove]

I need help finding the zaruim accolade

[urban grove]

It hums

[limber grove]

i looked all over the map cant find the sound

Its so annyoing

[obtuse gyro]

Look near the cephalon

Its always in the adjacent rooms to the cephalon

[limber grove]

whats the cephalon

[obtuse gyro]

The purple thing that you're supposed to deliver the accolade to

[limber grove]

That didnt pop up form me

expolerd everywhere

[supple dagger]

chains of harrow

[limber grove]

I tried again and the terminal theat u deliver it to just doesnt show up

[obtuse gyro]

It has a purple marker once you run past it

[autumn turret]

i think theres a low but not 0 chance that none spawns

[limber grove]

Its hapened 2 times in a row and i cant levae cus im in the bounty

i did not o the bounty for it and it showed up it was bugged

[arctic sonnet]

Might be best to make a post regarding the bug on the forums https://forums.warframe.com/forum/149-bug-reports/?ct=1652430014

[limber grove]

Yea i will

[remote pebble]

Margulis suddenly changed skin color?

[fossil fractal]

racism!!!!!!!!!! (try relog)

[remote pebble]

This is not the first day. After the angels zariman happened

[fast basalt]

[fossil fractal]

happened to me so much pre aotz

[fast basalt]

😩

[sharp matrix]

should i go for mesa or lavos? to farm

[fluid ivy]

Mesa, lavos is easy to farm

you get him from father

[supple dagger]

She really switched teams

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos is immortality. Lavos is beauty. Lavos is power.
Go for mesa

[sharp matrix]

lmao ok

[zenith jacinth]

Look, I'm a lavos main, and I can't survive late-game content with any other frame

But mesa should be superior

[icy ore]

Sooooo... Is the grey part a duviri tease ?

[past kiln]

no reason for it not to be

[vital creek]

probably

[timid condor]

it do be grey

[latent ferry]

definitely a duviri tease, the 2nd door in the dormizone probably leads to an exit to duviri

[timid condor]

This game seriously loves to tease things through doors, remember when the Helminth's nursery was locked?

[vital creek]

Doory is wallys secret accomplice

[zenith jacinth]

It looks like there's trees, and I don't remember seeing trees in the duviri trailer...

[astral crypt]

But she forgot what she was teasing

[sacred pebble]

Hey, is the 4 scaffold good? Was thinking about a 1x7 amp but propa feels clunky to me

[obtuse walrus]

The glaive, right? Yes, it's good

[sacred pebble]

Thanks, i guess I'll go for it and kill 3 eidolons instead of the normal 777

[wild copper]

Pahd isn't great for eidolons

Propa is way better and it's not clunky once you get used to it

[spark herald]

Phahd requires void procs active to do decent damage, which is unreliable.

[real niche]

And not possible on Eidos because, y'know, status immune

[spark herald]

Not immune to void.

[real niche]

Okay now the new question is why

[vital creek]

Phahd isn’t good for eidolons, but it’s great for long range combat which is why I prefer a 747

Crossplay is almost certainly being given a release date during tennocon based on prime time 308

[rose wyvern]

Has there been any talk of which voidshell skins will be released next?

[wicked iron]

I don't really think there's any certainty, honestly.

[autumn turret]

just was extremely hinted at

but where else would they announce something so large thats supposed to be coming soon

[vital creek]

^ they technically didn't say its happening during tennocon, but tennocon is really the only upcoming event that fits the description they gave

[autumn turret]

its either being announced at tennocon or not this year

[fleet veldt]

Last I heard, DE is hoping to get Crossplay into a publicly accessible state this year possibly with a mobile release later down the line with Crosssave being held back for next year (or whenever DE solve the issue of accessing an account's full inventory with their respective exclusives, Tennogen, and so on).

[fierce panther]

problem ix crossplay without crossave still kinda leaves a lotta issues :/

tho i guess it does mean people can play with friends already comitted to another platform

[vital creek]

its still a big improvement though, it just doesn't solve everything

[fleet veldt]

Reason DE is doing it as a two-step plan is to slowly build up working tech rather than rushing in and everything falling apart.

[vital creek]

also a two step plan means we get step 1 earlier which is nice

[fierce panther]

no yeah it's definitely cool

im excited to be able to drag my friends who used to play on xbox into a game

[errant charm]

I suspect XBox will be the easiest for them since XBL apis are at least partially borrowed into windows 10 and 11. PSN and Switch may be harder networks to unify.

[fleet veldt]

Looking forward to being able to help other platforms with mundane stuff.

[autumn turret]

cross play is quite important as a first step, i want to play with my friends none of whom play on xbox

[fierce panther]

i wondere how it'll effewct the ingame economy lol

[autumn turret]

we'll see

switch will rejoice at least the buyers will

i just hope they dont take away our ability to buy tennogen with plat

[errant charm]

Warframe Market will probably see flutters as the market settles in

[autumn turret]

warframe.market is going to have a field day merging it all

[errant charm]

But for the player base as a whole the addition of cross play and save will a benefit that outweighs a month or two of market fluctuations

[fierce panther]

no yeah tbh im excited to see the market change

it's more interesting that way

might balance stuff that's more expensive on one platform than others too

[past kiln]

this is something im actually curious abt bc if cross-save dropped i could hop onto ps4 and buy tennogen skins with plat instead of irl money

[supple dagger]

That's an absolutely no no as is

[autumn turret]

yea im unsure how it will work

[scarlet basalt]

Funny

I just noticed that the Temporal axioms test show a little bit of the color of the entrati/orokin.
It bring not a critical mind but directly a "how to think" mindset from the orokin.
This is cool to see how their education work in the orokin's era.
Meaning that there wouldn't be much "critical thinking" in this era but being taught to repeat

[obtuse gorge]

hey guys how do i get to the apostasy prologue

it doesnt have any prerequisites

[cobalt shard]

chains of harrow, and the personal quarters segment for your orbiter are the requirements

[obtuse gorge]

thanks @cobalt shard

[crimson river]

He has the drip

[azure solar]

OWO

[sage pond]

its a she

[crimson river]

then she has the drip

[fossil fractal]

whats that hair

[heavy obsidian]

That’s a dope looking fairy

[obtuse gyro]

@zenith jacinth "I'd never liked to stayed too long in the Reliquary Drive chamber, even when I was alive. I kept thinking I could see myself out the corner of my eye, grinning."

[zenith jacinth]

I can't form a comprehensive answer, headaches are fun...

[wraith hatch]

Imagine being to lazy to do a proper decoration haha

[pale oak]

Did they fix it for Ps4 yet ?

[autumn turret]

no

[fleet veldt]

It hasn't even been fixed on PC; probably reused the 'high-detail one-side' rather than adapting the Zariman ship statue to it.

[autumn turret]

i tink they mean being able to get it at all

[rain pawn]

ponder the orb

[past kiln]

void cascade very fun and also pretty well designed

2 c rotations in like 20m, no hespar or aeolak parts tho

[stray lynx]

Cascade is probably my favourite of the new modes, with flood being a close second. Armageddon needs a bit more work I think.

[white bronze]

what was that stone guy with half face laughing at the end after balas death in new war ? that was engraved on wall

didnt saw anything that pointed as to what he is,maybe something related to the golden one that hunhow mentioned ?

[fossil fractal]

man in wall is a man in the wall

[white bronze]

what is it exactly ?

[obtuse gyro]

the eldritch entity responsible for half our problems?

[white bronze]

LMAO, in which quest do u really learn about it? bcs after new i find myself even more interested about it

[obtuse gyro]

the thing who's finger began all development of void technology

[obtuse gyro]

Chains of Harrow, The New War, The War Within, The Second Dream, Heart of Deimos, Ranking up all factions on Deimos (Entrati and Loid)

Dialogue from the Zariman as well

[white bronze]

thanks mate!!!

[crimson river]

Who says that?

[obtuse gyro]

yonta

[crimson river]

That is horrifying

[fossil fractal]

i want to meet the man in person and havea nice chat

[crimson river]

Wel we did chat in the new war didnt we

[fossil fractal]

not too good

zariman not clean

[crimson river]

Needs new management

[fossil fractal]

my dormizone clean and it has window to void

would be cool to just have dinner with drifter, wall man, lotus, ordis, and umbra

[crimson river]

I dont think wally would be a nice chap to have dinner with

[fossil fractal]

you never know until you try

[cyan crest]

We chat with him after the sacrifice

He asks how we feel

We tell him we believe we killed Isaah

He says "good" and leaves

[fossil fractal]

maybe he says "good" because he thinks our bond with umbra is stronger than ever
he pretty clearly doesnt want to possess us

well there was that 1 time in war within

[cyan crest]

That wasn't a chat, we didn't respond

[fossil fractal]

in terms of him wanting to possess us

[supple dagger]

So like, how big actually is this thing?

Do I also see trees in the background in part of a field

[fossil fractal]

some think its duviri teaser

[sage pond]

a teaser for content that might not come for years and years

[cyan crest]

Duviri didn't have trees tho

[fleet veldt]

Planes of Duviri; Duviri could have multiple regions/levels to it that defy conventional level design (i.e: areas that appear to have been snipped out or otherwise displaced from crashed ships like Granum's pocket or The Cold Below, Below).

Plus there's VERD-IEs still tending to plants, some may have 'evolved' into Void-Sentients due to longterm exposure, or - in the hypothetical case - got in contact with Sentients who saw their plight by some miracle/accident and melded with a VERD-IE, creating a Void-resistant Sentient who's been fixated on P L A N T for the last [ERROR] years.

Or VERD-IEs just replicated due to Void nonsense and suddenly you've got a massive garden/forest region featuring long-dead animal and plant life in an otherwise weird and unsensable heap of spaces.

[exotic vapor]

its a legacy ship

i.e absolutely massive

assuming the orbiter is quite a bit ways out probably further than any planet we orbit, that thing has to be bigger than lua in vertical height

if we're a lot closer than that though which might be more reasonable its still the biggest ship we've ever seen

[spark herald]

We can compare it to the grineer galleon and corpus obelisk that are nearby.

[obtuse gyro]

Aint the term Generation Ship?

[exotic vapor]

ive heard both being used

but yeah generation ship probably works better

[obtuse gyro]

Then again in the context of legacy or generation the zariman wouldnt really apply tho

Since those ships are for generations to live in as it slogs through space, and the zariman was meant to arrive at destination almost instantly

[exotic vapor]

then, outside setting up inital food, would they need agri-biomes

or any other facilities that a generation ship has

we've never been told how long an actual void jump takes

[obtuse gyro]

Then it would just be an IKEA ship

[exotic vapor]

or one on that scale

its one thing to void jump from mercury to pluto, its another beast entirely to travel what..4 to 50 light years away?

[obtuse gyro]

Shorter than needing generations on board. The colonists were told they they themselves would populate tau

Not their descendants

[exotic vapor]

it could be more metaphorical, in the same way the sentients were told they would populate and terraform tau at first

i dont know if i found all the datapads in AoTZ but im pretty sure thats what they meant

[obtuse gyro]

I mean if you think the sentients were sent after the zariman, thats false, and if they were sent before, thats true

[obtuse gyro]

Not really? They told the colonists that their homies in sol will join them via solar rail after the jump completes

[exotic vapor]

the sentients were initally sent to build the solar rail infrastructure and terraform tau, the same speeches/word choises the orokin said about them was used to refer to the zariman

considering the fact they had educational things for all ages, entire agriculture sections, and stuff not really used for a "near instant, or less than a months worth" of travel time suggests that it was still a generation ship

it wasnt supposed to do it in a single jump

[obtuse gyro]

Heres the issue. If the zariman was meant to only be sent after the sentients terraformed tau. There was no need to jump.

Additionally it was going to do it in a single jump

[exotic vapor]

actually no

this is debunked by AOTZ dialouge

[obtuse gyro]

The initial plan was to do a repeat series of small jumps but that was scrapped

[obtuse gyro]

No, its reinforced lmao

[exotic vapor]

it was intentionally sabotaged

[obtuse gyro]

The biomes were sabotaged

Not the drive

Heck yontas dialogue shows shes worked it out how they were going to successfully make the big leap if she had a do over

[exotic vapor]

yes yonta figured out how she could have, while also still disabling the safeties

i might also be mixing in ARG knowledge here

but it really was not supposed to be a single void jump

[obtuse gyro]

Im saying that that plan was scrapped

And they made the zariman make the single giant jump

[exotic vapor]

it was scrapped by people who knew it would kill everyone

[obtuse gyro]

They didnt know

They couldn't have, because its never been done

[exotic vapor]

i just re-went through the arg stuff and it apparently was Kira and yonta that caused that

as for the ship not being a generation ship

they explicitly mention how they've acounted for "prolonged interstellar travel" which is why the dormizones have the vitragraph room

they would have been there for months, if not a year at least

[obtuse gyro]

They were on board the zariman for awhile before the jump so

[exotic vapor]

doesnt mean the ship wasnt designed to be a generation ship

[exotic vapor]

everything up until kira and yonta did that was explicitly designed and made around segmented jumps

there was time as provided by data log #1 from the ARG that this information was spreading

and Tuvul, one of the seven, seemingly had a hand in making yonta and kira do a single jump, but it is unclear

this last bit has to do with the data pads around the tilesets

[obtuse gyro]

where is this said?

because I dont see anything that says "the zariman was explicitly going to make segmented jumps"

heck everything is pointing at everyone foaming at yonta for trying to make a single leap

[exotic vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7zi3LR8hTI&ab_channel=PlayWarframe

you were correct in saying that everyone was foming at yonta and kira for this

[obtuse gyro]

Im looking at log one and it says the same thing I did, people thinking yonta will kill them with a single leap

no where does it say "this was changed from making smaller leaps like originally planned"

in any form

[exotic vapor]

the original plan, from the cepalon saying "our void jump SCHEDULE has moved up" in TNW to the fact that this entire thing came as a suprise, suggests almost explicitly that it wasnt supposed to be a single jump

[obtuse gyro]

thats uh

not how explicitly works

[exotic vapor]

almost explicitly

[obtuse gyro]

not it either, youre taking something thats implied

[exotic vapor]

from people going wtf, to the design of the ship

to the cephalon themselves reffering to schedule

[obtuse gyro]

the cephalon also thinks that the jump was 99% successful

[exotic vapor]

because you had archemedians like yonta and kira with the possibility of Tuvul messing with it

either way

the ship was designed for prolonged travel

we know from deimos and just in general that long void exposure isnt good

it makes sense to segment jumps and allow for periods of recovery time

[zenith jacinth]

There were multiple drills before that, I think it was just referring to it being an actual jump instead of just a drill

Idk if I used the right words there

[exotic vapor]

theu would have already made multiple jumps to get to saturn if they started from earth or lua

im assuming lua due to yonta's dialouge

[zenith jacinth]

Why would they though

[exotic vapor]

the solar rails are already very well traversed and getting to the outer edge of the system to do test jumps is a good idea

[obtuse gyro]

wait where does it say "for prolonged interstellar travel"

I cant find it

[exotic vapor]

image from the ARG, its all on the wiki now too

[obtuse gyro]

you do realise that the colonisation attempt part of tau counts as the prolonged travel?

[exotic vapor]

interstellar

[obtuse gyro]

because when they arrive, theyre not home yet

[exotic vapor]

the whole thing was presumed on the idea that the sentients had already terraformed it

[obtuse gyro]

they still need to live on the Zariman

[obtuse gyro]

which then ignores the missing solar rail

[exotic vapor]

how so

because explain to me how they made the leap back without a solar rail to do so

[obtuse gyro]

why would the zariman need to jump if the sentients have already arrived in Tau? the sentients were meant to (this time actually explicitly) build a extrasolar rail

[exotic vapor]

they were meant to build the solar rail and terraform tau to be habitable

[obtuse gyro]

the zariman wouldnt need to jump or make small series of jumps on an unrailed system if the sentients already arrived

[obtuse gyro]

I dont care about the second part, in all your assumptions, where is the sentient's solar rail

[exotic vapor]

on tau's side?

[zenith jacinth]

They should be able to go both ways

[exotic vapor]

or do you mean the bit from here to the next junction

[obtuse gyro]

they were supposed to build it as they chugged on throughout space

meaning that it goes from sol to tau and back

not from tau to sol only

[exotic vapor]

you do realize that even with solar rails you still needed multiple just to go from mercury to pluto right?

thats...what the junctions are

[obtuse gyro]

you do realise that the Zariman isnt using the solar rail you claim is built?

[zenith jacinth]

This is fun to watch

[obtuse gyro]

heck its not even a case of "they wanna get there quicker" because after the zariman arrives, future colonists dont have to make an unrailed jump to Tau

if the sentient rail was already built, why was the zariman using the reliquary system

[exotic vapor]

as a backup? a way to also protect against the void? we dont even know what they really do other than something regarding the void

[obtuse gyro]

if the sentient rail wasnt built, what were the future colonists supposed to ride in on?

and then if the zariman was supposed to arrive while the sentient rail was building, why did they not wait for the rail?

[exotic vapor]

we dont know if the reliquaries provide navigation in the void or if they are in almost every ship

[obtuse gyro]

a backup? reliquaries exist for the sole reason for not using rails

[exotic vapor]

we dont know that for sure

[obtuse gyro]

thats the whole point behind them as we learnt from the Railjacks

[exotic vapor]

we just learned that the reliquaries in our railjack dont actually hold anything

[obtuse gyro]

what

[exotic vapor]

you missed that dialouge from angels?

[obtuse gyro]

you missed the part where yonta says "copy"

[exotic vapor]

https://youtu.be/j_7Y5HxLYbc?t=1282

timestamped

[zenith jacinth]

And the fact that we literally see them containing the finger

[exotic vapor]

"so long as the originals are still safely sealed away of course"

originals

[obtuse gyro]

and which part says that the reliquary drives contain nothing?

originals implies that the other reliquaries we see use copies not nothing

[exotic vapor]

the copies would be through the reliquary keys

[obtuse gyro]

so therefore theres something and not nothing in the drives

[exotic vapor]

some people think its a projection and others think the keys literally make a copy in the container

[obtuse gyro]

additionally, this doesnt change the function of the reliquary drives?

which is to be able to make void jumps without solar rails

[exotic vapor]

the reason they think nothings actually in the drive is because even with the key the thing that is literally a part of the ship and can feel every part of it cant sense/see anything in the container

[exotic vapor]

again, we dont know if the reliquary is what allows it

because whoo boy how do you explain phragasa

[zenith jacinth]

"Some people think..."
Yes, they do. But those thoughts are not always facts, which should be taken into consideration

[obtuse gyro]

and yet it can feel something touching it. its not "nothing" theres something that defies logic in there... which is fitting for a void construct

[exotic vapor]

im more inclined to believe that its a projection of whatever connection the key has with the original

it seems to be that the engines are what allow void travel and the reliquary does...something

its essential enough to require a connection/copy of an original but..what

[obtuse gyro]

the reliquary is the warp drive of the ship, this in indisputable

[obtuse gyro]

the reliquary allowed both railjacks and the zariman to jump without solar rails

[exotic vapor]

again

the hell is a void engine then

[supple dagger]

All that says is that the ship requires propulsion. Potentially powered by Void energy, but not what let's it jump

[exotic vapor]

and yet again

how do you explain phragasa

[supple dagger]

Something Ballas did easy

[exotic vapor]

its not something ballas did its innate to the ship

ballas just took control of it

[supple dagger]

It's not said to be innate no. It's never brought up at really

[obtuse gyro]

are you trying to suggest that the common factors between the railjacks and the zariman being that they both jump without rails and have a reliquary drive are completely unrelated?

[exotic vapor]

im saying we dont even know what the drives do, there is enough out there to suggest that its not the reliquary drives alone or at all that allows void travel

my best guess is that they help? or allow for more accurate navigation? some form of reality anchor but its not even anywhere near explained

[obtuse gyro]

or at all??

[exotic vapor]

the only thing people know about them for a fact is that the "original fingers" came from wally

or at least one did

[obtuse gyro]

so the "reliquary field drill" during TNW was all fake then???

yknow, the last thing heard right before the jump?

there isnt enough to suggest that "its not the reliquary drives alone or at all that allows void travel"

if you want to go "oh the railjacks have void engines" its shown that the railjack cant even fart without the reliquary drive

if you want to go "what about Grandma Sentient?" there is no straight forward explanation, but we arent given a clear clue on the state of the Tau side solar rail that the sentients would have actually finished since they actually reached Tau

not to mention whatever ballas was trying to do during the New War with opening up a void hole over to Tau (although he fully intended to destroy sol in the process)

[ember wigeon]

[zenith jacinth]

Speed

[obtuse gyro]

shuffles aggressively

[fleet veldt]

My theory regarding the Wall-Man fingers and the clones (or Specter-style projections thereof) act as the 'flick' needed to Punch the Void and get to the intended destination. The key is merely a permission slip to connect the Reliquary Drive pod to whatever atemporal Void structure is configured to 'dispense' finger copies to respective assets.

The ship merely needs to be able to emit enough power to amplify this connection to get to the distances desired, durable enough to drift through the Void, and able to move with whatever thruster hardware is available to compensate for any other phenomenon mid-transit. And armed to break through debris and other undesired materials.

The 10-0 to me based on available lore feels like it was supposed to travel:
A: ahead of the terraformer drones and their Solar Railway and then linger until terraformation is complete, then integrate the drones into their settlement plans.
B: travel alongside the terraformer drones to act sentinel over the Railway.
As to me, Tuvul's claim of people travelling after via the Railway is more of a 'if you make it, expect people to follow you' more than a 'you are building us a road on the way to this new land'; it's left open as to whether the 10-0 would've outpaced the pre-Sentient or be acting as a testing group for the rail.

However an uncomforting concern is that Sentients sing - as do the Zariman Angels of current. What's not to imply that an instance of the 10-0 made it past them and led to the same song we're hearing now being broadcast then, which could have led to the Sentient being inexplicably Sentient but also aware of a myriad of Void-related phenomenon which they otherwise can't be aware of if existing beliefs that the Sentient's one-way journey to Tau was unaffected by the 10-0.

Of course this is speculation drawing from far-edge circumstances and vague knowledge, not all of this will 'fit', but it is worth thinking about in my opinion.

[obtuse gyro]

or C: the Sentients were sent after the zariman failed spectacularily

[fleet veldt]

Tuvul explicitly mentioned that there'd be a Solar Rail for those who'd follow the 10-0. It's possible the Sentient could've been sent in three batches (before: to build the rail, middle: to traverse rail and start terraforming, after: to complete terraforming and prepare a welcome for the 10-0)?

[obtuse gyro]

because while A and B are plausible, the crew of the zariman surprisingly make no mentions of sentients

[fleet veldt]

It's because the Sentient became Sentient outside of Orokin agenda.

[obtuse gyro]

which would be critical to their colonisation effect

[obtuse gyro]

theres still no mention of any terraforming drones at all

heck no mention of terraforming either

[fleet veldt]

Again, Orokin could've omitted this.

[obtuse gyro]

then A and B falter

[fleet veldt]

A and B are still viable, but under Orokin obscurity. There is still much about our cold-and-gold rulers we are woefully uninformed about.

[obtuse gyro]

because how can you incorporate or defend the drones using the weaponless zariman if you dont know about the drones

[fleet veldt]

The Zariman inhabitants weren't meant to know either way, I'll assume.

[obtuse gyro]

then again, A and B falter

[fleet veldt]

In one ideal circumstance if the 10-0 did make the jump and reach Tau fine, the Sentient could've developed before/during/after that jump and end up welcoming the 10-0 as allies against the Orokin, leading to the fall of an empire thanks to crazy sapient mechas with human copilots or something of a similar nature.

Would be an interesting alternative timeline to think about.

[obtuse gyro]

both A and B require some form of cooperation between the pre-sentient Sentients and the Zariman, B is right out because the Zariman was made to make the single big jump to Tau and didnt have significant weapons, and A would require them to know about the sentients

[fleet veldt]

I agree with this.

[obtuse gyro]

so its extremely vague if the colonists, especially since we have 4 of the key crew members still with us, knew about the sentients since they make no mention of them

additionally, the Holdfasts strangely arent that interested in the Sol system that theyve returned too

like dont you wanna know how the buggar Ballas got gibbed?

come on carvalo I know you want to hear this

[fleet veldt]

Until we get mention of the drones in some manner from them-

Holdfasts may be either Void-informed or a bit 'out of touch' with the material world. Quinn at least makes a quip or two about us butchering the empire.

Wonder if anyone tried to get dialogue from them via bringing in (Broken) War, Paracesis, Vitrica, Shedu, or Caliban? Like with how Gyre is spoken about as/in-relation-to Gyra.

[zenith jacinth]

Buggar?

Cav says grubber, and usually as a friendly term

[obtuse gyro]

I want to say a word that starts with B and rhymes with custard but I dont wanna get bonked by the bot

[zenith jacinth]

Why not just say mucker

Or functional

[torpid lantern]

[supple dagger]

Any version of the Zariman that made it to Tau has no bearing on us. The Tenno are the only one that can jump into separate timelines.

[fleet veldt]

That we know of. There could be other instances of us (who died from Man-Wall's Existence Subscription Cancellation in exchange for our Bonus Cinematic Lives package - or made a deal with another Void [Representative?] ) out there.

[supple dagger]

Banana

[zenith jacinth]

Are you turning into spamton?

[fleet veldt]

No, I don't know how to turn into a 'ton of spam'.

[zenith jacinth]

[mystic lark]

Anyone know how to beat archon nira with a fulmin I’m struggling

Im playing nova prime

[zenith jacinth]

Try paracesis

There's also some nodes around that you need to destroy iirc, did you do that?

[supple dagger]

use the paracesis

[flat shadow]

I run around in circles around the pillar in the middle.

[supple dagger]

i had nira as my last one and as soon as i had my warframe back i somehow one shot her

[supple dagger]

There could be. But they aren't a part of our reality, which is the only thing that matters

[fleet veldt]

Until they happen upon us. Remember The Conclave; the greatest enemy is ourselves.

[cyan crest]

Until that happens, all other instances are irrelevant

[supple dagger]

They don't effect us and we don't effect them

[solar remnant]

i hope drifter's stuff he used in the new war comes back as a focus school. the way aotz handled focus is practically begging for it imho

[fleet veldt]

This is my current thinking on that.

The third Focus Ability slot which is currently unused and unbound offers to me the idea of the Kits (Drifter, Khal-175, Veso-R, and Teshin's equipment/abilities) being introduced.

The kits could either be whole presets with room for a few mods that would normally be for Warframes or even companions/pets, or like how very old Warframe modding had you equip powers as mod cards.

Speaking of Veso, we would benefit being able to equip three companions (a Moa, Sentinel, and Hound - for example) to substitute the basic unmodded proxies and control them via a separate tac menu accessed via the same tac menu binding (minions and pets could also be given orders this way).

A remedy for the ability binding issue could be to give DrOps some way to toggle between kits and powers, or adding a 'menu on tap' interaction to Transference:

Said menu, accessed by tapping Transference instead of holding (which would be faster than the chargeup rate of a max ROF Javlok):
1 (bound to the Xbox A key) should be to Transfer to Frame.
2 (bound to the Xbox B key) would Transfer to Necramech if in range.
3 (bound to the Xbox Y key) would be a simple 'tap to swap' which allows DrOp to swap between Kits or Powers.
4 (bound to the Xbox X key) could be used for something else. Maybe a reworked Transcendance ability with insane, ramping/scaling effects which lasts for a very very short timeframe.

[dusty sand]

took 8 hours because of 1 part

but how do u unlock steel path?

[autumn turret]

talk to teshin after clearing every node, so gotta do the next quest

[solar remnant]

aotz nodes are now required for steelpath, so there's that