spoiler-chat

[frail nymph]

I guess a any frame that can fit enemy radar is nice

[lime salmon]

Any segment where one frame would be better? Eh, not really? I took my Titania Prime cause she’s who I usually take to delete sentients, she did just fine.

[errant charm]

I do like enemy radar mod, There might be more optimal auras in spreadsheet land but having enemies on the minimap so just so nice.

[atomic granite]

all of my frames fit enemy radar

if one of my warframes don’t have a naramon aura polarity then they’re basically nonexistent to me

[errant charm]

I have tended to just use some plat if I like a frame and want radar
https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Aura_Forma

[subtle crown]

Naramon is basically my default aura polarity as well. Corrosive projection or energy siphon are my go to mods. Then loot detector for my Loki for treasure hunting purposes. Enemy radar I only use on Octavia when going on corpus ship tileset since enemy pathing is still pretty meh.

Primed animal instinct is always the second mod on all my companions. Usually enough for most missions.

Plus PAI is 33m enemy radar, the aura is only 30.

[amber terrace]

Are we allowed to talk about the ARG in this channel?

[fossil fractal]

yep

at least i think, it does count as post new war stuff

[autumn turret]

its better to use the channel dedicated to it #aotz-chat

[subtle crown]

Yeah, you can try but most people don't get too far since open comms is full of people who want to talk about it. Here not so much.

[plain robin]

I wish that we killed Lotus

[supple dagger]

Why, she's a complete victim in all this

[plain robin]

Ik I wanted to Killer before the sacrifice

Kill her

[blazing wigeon]

I remember back in the day when nw came out my jaw dropped when I saw how ugly my drifter was she was nightmare inducing plus bald

[plain robin]

Fr

[unreal tartan]

Mine changed race too

[fossil fractal]

mine looked weird

not ugly, just weird

[supple dagger]

mine looked like old Harry Potter
he still does

[fossil fractal]

i just tried to make the eyes look less tired

[supple dagger]

idk where to go someone help

[cyan crest]

It's a straight path

Just beware of the Golden maw

[supple dagger]

go from rock to rock u will be safe that way once you are near exit BOLT IT but give the Golden Maw a wide berth

[supple dagger]

i made it thanks lol

np

vack to normal lets go

[supple dagger]

am neutral with smol evil

i miss kahl.....

[fossil fractal]

hes not guaranteed dead

[supple dagger]

ye ik but i just miss kahl

[scarlet basalt]

waiting for l1fewater video on armageddon gamemode 👀

[subtle crown]

That's neutral with smol light 😛

[supple dagger]

its fire not water

good = water if wiki is correct

[subtle crown]

Light = fire, dark = water.

[supple dagger]

mkay

[subtle crown]

Then this is neutral with smol dark.

[faint raven]

Hi all

What does a negative platinum balance mean? I haven't been in the game for 2 years. Account is limited.

[fossil fractal]

someone you traded plat with was illegol plat i think

[supple dagger]

wait u can get negative platinum balance??

[spark herald]

If somebody traded you with platinum made from scams, the platinum is removed wherever it was.

If you spent in already, you end up negative.

[faint raven]

So I didn't play for 2 years. How can I fix this?

[fossil fractal]

this angle makes murex look smol

[spark herald]

The only way to restore your account is to make up the balance yourself.

[wicked iron]

You would have to purchase platinum to get out of the negative balance.

[fossil fractal]

why dont they just set your plat to 0

[faint raven]

I don't even know how much platinum is in the red.

[fossil fractal]

doesnt it tell you?

[faint raven]

No

[fleet veldt]

Suggested: save up, buy as large an amount as possible. Then try to get back in.

[wicked iron]

#support-and-bugs may be able to let you know the exact amount.

[heavy obsidian]

With three more days left for AoZ, i should create a Loadout for it just like with New War Quest and previous releases

[obtuse gyro]

prep a xaku so you can throw void at the void

[heavy obsidian]

Fighting Fire with Fire would be interesting

Although i do have Xata's Whisper Subsume

[plush thunder]

Now any of your frames can be an Eximus killer

[ancient pendant]

What happens with Plains of Eidolon and Fortuna now if you're a pre-TNW player? Do you see the current state regardless or does it change depending on your quest progress?

[heavy obsidian]

It changes. Players who haven't completed NW would be showed floating above Konzu and Eudico.

[past kiln]

once you complete tnw youll see a bunch of people floating above konzu, thats the pre tnw dudes

[ancient pendant]

why're they floating? bug?

[heavy obsidian]

PoE/Cetus and Fortuna/Orb Vallis have a completely different visual for anybody who completed New War and players who don't

So both Open Worlds won't be the same for every player

[thick jolt]

We theorize that post tnw hubs are a bit below the normal ones

[sharp spoke]

Anyone have a brief summary of any info gathered from open comms? Or is there even anything to summarize yet?

[subtle crown]

Check on reddit. ARG talk basically doesn't happen in here.

[wanton kettle]

||https://clips.twitch.tv/YummyCrispyGoshawkGivePLZ-92FjSfcI1AzLcXj0||

From the unidentifiedsignal stream

[sharp spoke]

Gotcha

[autumn turret]

https://www.warframe.com/news/i-need-your-help this and the wiki

[astral crypt]

Ok. I just finished TNW, and the only things I will say is that I’m never using umbro again and I hate stealth

[subtle crown]

Lol.

Yeah, that was what stealth in the game used to be like.

Now it's invis or mass death. No one can notice if there is no one to notice.

[astral crypt]

NGL the stealth wasn’t even that hard, it was just tedious and not fun

Then again that was the case for the boss fights too

[midnight urchin]

Is there's any cipher left to solve?

[frail nymph]

Stealth doesn't get much harder without getting more tedious anyway...

If it's easy for you, you simply do the NW stealth all in one go while simply walking through the level... Not sure how that's possibly tedious.

Same for the archons, you just shoot and dodge, and the fight finishes really quickly. Only drags on if you die because you're not shooting or not dodging

[mellow herald]

meanwhile the stealth was the most fun part about the entire quest for me, the 2 bosses coming second place

[frail nymph]

Yea the fun is subjective, which is why it's not even worth acknowledging when talking about stuff

[bright ice]

Eh. I can live with a tedious section of a quest that I never have to redo if don't want

[astral crypt]

The tower was a bunch of fun though, i really liked that part

[bright ice]

I liked Kahl-175 best

[frail nymph]

Veso for me

[astral crypt]

The first 3 parts were fun also, yeah

[bright ice]

the Kahl section made me imagine a game mode where we're just grineer grunt in a huge assault

[frail nymph]

And the end boss fight of course, brought up childhood abuse trauma that I had supressed, took me straight back to feeling the exact same feeling, and made me cry for like 20 minutes

[astral crypt]

I really hope we can see some of that kind of gameplay come back at some point

[bright ice]

Could be really cool. You and 3 others playing an elite Corpus debt recovery team securing assets

[subtle crown]

Veso annoyed me because it showed just how good MOAs could be instead of the pathing nightmare they currently have.

[frail nymph]

Oh lol moas are terrible rn?

[subtle crown]

It's an exercise in frustration.

At least they have a teleport now so if they're super lost or stuck on geometry they can still get to you.

Though it has a long cooldown so can't be relied upon for spy vaults.

[astral crypt]

I feel like TNW was just a little too ambitious, I think it would have been best if they spread it out over multiple updates (maybe one entire quest update for each open world planet?) so we could see more of the war and how it affected people. That would have also give the devs some time to show long term affects instead of making us wait for an update like we are now.

[subtle crown]

The thing is, the new war was not our war.

[astral crypt]

True but there still was a war that we never really got to see

[subtle crown]

Same as the old war was not our war.

We merely showed up to end it.

[astral crypt]

IDK, at this point I’m just looking forward to the zairman and hoping that eventually the devs start taking umbro into account

[supple dagger]

He's not gonna be getting any special treatment unless he'll be directly involved in that bit of the story

[subtle crown]

Especially since the sentients have the ability to "nullify" the frames themselves.

[astral crypt]

It’s still a major plot hole in my opinion, there is no reason why he shouldn’t have gone and stabbed the hell out of ballas and ended it right there

[subtle crown]

Umbra still can't harm Ballas...

When we did in the quest the operator stabbed him, not Umbra.

[supple dagger]

Partially that, partially the usual ludo-narrative dissonance of making a game

[astral crypt]

Would have appreciated at the very least a reminder then, last time I played the sacrifice was years ago, instead umbro just lies there like a lump on a log

[subtle crown]

The exact same way he does in orphix missions.

The sentients have the ability to nullify frames and Ballas being the literal creator of said frames would possess the knowledge as well.

[supple dagger]

All the Watsonian reasons, yes

[subtle crown]

Plus the devs are not going to animate 1/83 frames to be different from the other 82.

[astral crypt]

At least state that then 😂 don’t make me grasp for straws

[subtle crown]

The game has told you that.

[supple dagger]

And the Doylist reason as well

[astral crypt]

82 Warframes out of 83 aren’t sentient

[subtle crown]

And that last one is still a warframe disabled by the orphix field the exact same.

Wait, 84/85 now. 2 new frames came out.

[astral crypt]

I mean he could clearly still move since he was trying to keep op and lotus from falling into the void

[subtle crown]

Like all the other frames do.

[astral crypt]

The point is that he had to get there somehow

Aka he can move

[subtle crown]

The exact same way every other frame does.

All 85 use the exact same skeleton animation.

[astral crypt]

Yeah but only umbra can move by himself and seeing as how he was free to move in that entire scene but decides to lie there instead is frustrating to say the least

[supple dagger]

All frames do the same thing during the New War quest

[astral crypt]

Yeah and it doesn’t make sense

[supple dagger]

Mostly because it's efficient

[subtle crown]

Plus all frames are capable of at least a little movement as shown in second dream.

[astral crypt]

Only one is capable of a lot of movement and he doesnt do anything when op and lotus are getting sucked into the void

[subtle crown]

I give up, be mad.

[supple dagger]

Yeah, which sucks, but I'm not gonna fault DE for doing the smart thing

For the direction of the quest, giving Umbra extra mocap work would not be worth the cost

[ivory surge]

I know but, Just a struggle scene would have been enough

[astral crypt]

Even the default standing animation instead of kneeling would have made me happy

[subtle crown]

I doubt that.

[astral crypt]

The smallest acknowledgment of his sentience would have made me happy

[subtle crown]

Again, doubt that. You would probably be in here complaining that it wasn't more.

[astral crypt]

Nah, that’s literally all I wanted

[ivory surge]

Just a small fight with Ballas, Ballas overthrows Umbra and we still get sent to the void

[astral crypt]

I liked the character and I was mad that he wasn’t acknowledged in the slightest despite completing the quest being mandatory to play TNW

I’m not even asking for that much, I’m literally asking for standing animations 😂

That would be cool, but anything would be fine

[ivory surge]

Even Umbra trying to pull us out of the portal, but Ballas still wins

[astral crypt]

Yeah, like I said, literally any acknowledgment of his sentience would have been fine

We play an entire quest about how “he’s not just another Warframe” and then… he’s just another Warframe

[subtle crown]

Go be mad at the devs for not making Umbra orphix field immune.

[astral crypt]

Once again, he could literally move

[ivory surge]

https://youtu.be/lmLB7_5H_wY literally us

[subtle crown]

Not during orphix missions.

[cunning copper]

He's even useless during the ballas fight

[subtle crown]

Actively a hindrance.

[cunning copper]

The literal best time for him to be of some use

But no, he's as much a statue as any other frame

[subtle crown]

Which is 100% lore consistent.

[cunning copper]

It's actually not

[subtle crown]

In the orphix field it is.

[cunning copper]

There is no given reason he should be immobile during that fight, Orphix are not present

[ivory surge]

Umbra Is only good at fighting when he's fighting US

[subtle crown]

Ballas is the literal creator of warframes. 100% chance he has the ability to create the fields. No need for an orphix to be present.

[astral crypt]

Why didn’t he just zap umbra with it in the sacrifice then?

[subtle crown]

Did you not see how absolutely confident he was that Umbra could not harm him?

A confidence he was well deserved to have mind you as Umbra never did harm him, we did.

[cunning copper]

The only ability he demonstrates in that f8ght is the ability to knock us out of the warframe

[astral crypt]

So then why would he need to paralyze umbra in this case?

[cunning copper]

Something that does not by itself indicate Umbra should be immobile considering we can just get back in

[subtle crown]

The sad answer, because wuclone.

If you brought along Wuclone he would be active in cutscenes absolutely showering the future enemy with explosions from an unlimited ammo bramma.

When the Wuclone bug was fixed Umbra also got the same treatment.

[cunning copper]

That doesn't answer why Umbra is immobile during a fight that demonstrably does not disable warframes

He should be active

[astral crypt]

Heck if it were an issue of not wanting to make a new cut scene they could have at least had umbra show up on his own and try to save the op, he’s not just a Warframe, he’s a character, but he got treated like another piece of equipment

As I said before, any acknowledgment of his character status would have made me happy but he was just a lump on a log instead

[subtle crown]

Cephalon Cy: "Entering slingshot range. Orphix pulse fields detected aboard. Get a Necramech in the barrel. You will need it."

[cunning copper]

Irrelevant by the time we get to The 3rd archon

[subtle crown]

This is approaching Ballas at the sun.

[cunning copper]

We use our warframe for that fight until Ballas, or did you forget that

[cunning copper]

Even fighting Ballas, we can get back into our warframe and move around. It's just pointless because he throws us right back out as soon as we get hit

They are not disabled

Yet Umbra is still a statue, why?

[subtle crown]

Ask the devs.

[astral crypt]

Which is what brings me once again to: even a standing animation would have made me happy

[subtle crown]

Be mad at the devs. Join the chorus of months of complaining about it.

[cunning copper]

I will

[astral crypt]

Ok

[cunning copper]

Because most of that fight isn't even a threat from Ballas

Just being there damages us because we aren't a warframe

[astral crypt]

Lol is would be extremely amusing to watch umbra swing away at the lotus for 90% of that fight

[cunning copper]

Which is entirely stupid

We take passive damage for not being in our warframe in an environment actively hazardous to us, but we can't use our warframe either because ballas just throws us back out

[subtle crown]

I do find it amusing that the sun damage is only slightly higher than vazarin regen.

[astral crypt]

It’s surprising the op comes out without a tan

[subtle crown]

Woo radiation tan.

[past kiln]

more confusing is how ballas is not actively dying while being next to the sun

[subtle crown]

Well he is part sentient now.

[cunning copper]

Even our warframes take damage from it

[brave parcel]

His staff contains power

It could protect him?

[subtle crown]

Sentients actively adapt to become immune to things that harm them (except for the void).

[next canyon]

hello, is it possible to get the pre-new war somachord tones from orb vallis/PoE after having done new war?

[subtle crown]

Yes, works the exact same before.

There are 3 new fragments that have a 100% spawn rate that only drop the post new war songs.

[next canyon]

oh okay! that was confusing me, tysm

i got stuck in the sacrifice bug with the somachord not spawning before so i was worried lol

[astral crypt]

Wait, can anyone tell me what exactly happened to all the other Tenno besides the player’s in the new war? How did they all disappear? Were they also replaced with drifters?

Also how long were the Tenno gone for?

[real niche]

Probably killed like us, Drifter didn't replace us, we don't know how long.

[frail nymph]

No no, Nora Night's dialogue wouldn't make sense that way.

[real niche]

Okay yeah hold on.

[frail nymph]

They just disappeared. Maybe literally into thin air/the void, or maybe more figuratively by suddenly losing powers and being forced to go away.

Nora Night: " How long has it been, since the Tenno left without saying goodbye, since narmer and the masks, since before truth was a something something?"
Ballas, "The Devils have been cast out, and by the void, they shall never return."

And if one doesn't believe whatever happened was forceful/magical, just because, well then the least we know is that Tenno weren't dead and weren't narmer'd. (Since what's dead doesn't need assurances that it will not return, and since the Tenno left before the narmer masks. Also Ballas wouldn't have talked about Tenno being cast out if they were still in but narmer'd."

[astral crypt]

So long story short we know they disappeared but not how or how long?

[supple dagger]

F Teshin

RIP

[frail nymph]

Yeah, don't know for how long.

Enough to replace some things and rebuild some other things(like Fortuna), but even that is ambiguous.

People try to look at the fact that NPC kids didn't grow up, but I refrain from it for fear of it being an oversight

[supple dagger]

Poor Teshin

A character of timeline just killed in 3 minutes by Erra

yep

[frail nymph]

Which I would be fine with...
If operator didn't completely forget about him!

Like at least ask Ordis what happened to Teshin... Show some desire for revenge when he meets Erra

[supple dagger]

Yeah !

I was hype to kill Erra for this

[frail nymph]

Imagine how cool the scene would be if you almost attack erra out of anger and then you remember something Teshin told you, so you calm down.

[supple dagger]

F Erra
He deserved it

But this Guy returned his vest said : Oh no don't kill im the good Guy now

[frail nymph]

Well it's not like he's not gonna be bad if he returns.

It was a very temporary truce...

[supple dagger]

Yeah

[frail nymph]

I wanna see Erra return as the "bad" guy and then slowly question his goals... Starting all because of having to work with us in desperation in NW

[supple dagger]

The end between Ballas and the Lotus. The music. The ambient. That was so beautiful.

[frail nymph]

You could feel his uncertainty in his voice acting and everything... Too bad his face might as well be a png so it doesn't come through

[supple dagger]

The sentients aren't dead right now ? Except Papy Hunhow in his deep water and the Lotus

[frail nymph]

There's no confirmed main character deaths... And also no confirmation of the entire fleet dying. Like some of the Murexes definitely died but not certain about all.

That coupled with the fact that Sentients got nerfed because "we're gonna be fighting a lot more of them," kind of solidifies it for me.

[supple dagger]

Yeah so... They retreated.

[frail nymph]

Pretty much

[supple dagger]

But one thing

How Can they reconstruct themself if they are sterile by the Void ?

[frail nymph]

The can't reproduce... They can repair themselves, but not turn into more fragments than they already are

[plain robin]

How

[frail nymph]

Basically no new sentient consciousnesses having new powers etc etc.

The consciousness limit seems to be particularly strict since Praghasa never came back like the Eidolons

[mellow nymph]

Are there any canonical pictures/sketches of Ordan Karris? Trying to find one and can only seem to find bad fanart lol

[frail nymph]

Also they can reconstruct stuff in general, if not themselves.

[frail nymph]

We only have a silhouette from his ingame dialogue box. There's nothing else

[mellow nymph]

Thanks. Unfortunate. Hopefully we get a little more background in the future. Doubtful, but hopefully!

[plain robin]

||Spoiler the muffin man is in angels of Zerman||

[supple dagger]

||THE MUFFIN MAN?||

[plain robin]

||Yes the muffin man|| ||and you’re spoiling it God||

[crude shard]

Why is Margulis showing up as Lotus in missions despite being set to Margulis

[dry magnet]

So streamers already playing this new update?

[supple dagger]

i dont know

[crude shard]

very cool

[robust wren]

Do you have creator mode on?

[crude shard]

YOU KNOW WHAT

YOURE RIGHT

I completely forgot I turned that on

I was about to submit a bug report lol

[vapid sentinel]

Any lore explanation to the fact that teshin is just a black hologram now

Ik he died but still

[supple dagger]

its not really a black hologram its one of his specters way back in war within he did die yes but his specters and soul lives on

[supple dagger]

i love the margulis colours tho

[swift pond]

Lore wise? No idea. Don't remember there being much precedent for it to happen. Far as I know, they literally just killed off a faction shopkeeper and needed something to stand in for him.

Varzia was right there off the heels of Prime Resurgence, but nay - ghosts it is

[reef dirge]

i really want to say every dev that planned out the teasers for the AoZ is amazing. This is cicada 3301 level investigating

[vagrant sorrel]

I wholeheartedly agree. It's a really meaty ARG.
DE has really upped their game when it comes to pre-update marketing.

The lorebits that come of it are also a very welcome addition (||That "Princess in the Mirror Palace" Story is horror just the way I like it.||)

[reef dirge]

||someone said that the man without a reflection could be the man in the wall. Which is why he can't leave the void. He does not exist in other dimensions. Which kinda blows my mind because that could explain why he made a deal with us was to "find his reflection." It's theory but im super hyped for this broadcast in a few hours.||

[plain robin]

||spoiler the muffin man is in the angels of Zerman||

[dawn storm]

i think something is wrong with my lotushttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664842924273565716/968095907860070410/unknown.png

[swift pond]

Typical Monday mornings

[faint raven]

How to change Steam account link? Someone else's steam account is linked to my profile. Maybe someone hacked the game account in 2 years.

This

And also cancel two-factor authentication, it was also not done by me.

[subtle crown]

#support-and-bugs

Literal most we can offer as it's an account issue.

[quasi oriole]

||||Hey so off the wall theory here is you know lotus reluctance to make any actions after "fixing her" the whole thing with that wall appearing i don't doubt the lotus's power but i think there's no way she over power him and she also does his creepy smile after he disappears so i think he didn't posses her but replace her with a mirror image.|| ||The reason i support this so much it's cause when he first entered the void he said his mirror self came toward him as if trying to replace him and notice how he closes the distance to the lotus like running toward her and not dispersing. ||||

[dusky linden]

its spoiler chat so you don't have to spoiler the message lol, but yeah I always thought there was more to it then just "oh boy we see him now!" theres something he did

[quasi oriole]

But what's weird is her sudden change in chracter tbh

I know there almost little to no content that came out after but she's not pushing us to anything

[dusky linden]

Yeah, she usually tries getting us to go to places, and she usually leads the charge in our adventures, now it seems ordis does it because the lotus does not

All she really says now is "good work tenno, they won't be bothering us anytime soon" now

[unreal flower]

omg guys its finaly here!

it finaly arrived!

angels of zariman!!!!

[quasi oriole]

In the end when were picking her we said in the end what did you see she responds i saw... nothing. nothing. we say we got work to do blah blah blah

[dusky linden]

Did the operator/drifter canonically not see it? I swear we did

Or maybe we just forgot it

[vagrant sorrel]

It's never been confirmed that we didn't see it. It's just a somewhat popular theory apparently.

It felt pretty certain to me that whoever you chose for the finale very clearly seemed to react to the Man in the Wall. At the very least our Operator is confirmed to know he exists, given the events of Chains of Harrow and the aftermath of that quest + the Prelude to New War.
Lotus going "I saw...nothing" might either be literally perceiving nothingness, or if that recent princess-tale is anything to go by, she was super terrified because this wasn't her first interaction with the entity in the void and just was not up to talking about that, Brushing it off so to speak.
That part of TNW's dialogue is relatively vague, keeping us guessing

[quasi oriole]

Yea but if thats the case the last person to ever see this nothing was when the man in the wall first discovered his void self

But the was she says and repeats nothing seem almost sad or like don't worry about it type thing

He's also capable of seeing the percived end so maybe he in turned showed her something she felt we weren't ready to know

Btw hence his name as you know in warframe are quite litral most the time "drifter says he was never saved so he was left drifting which makes me believe when he says he hasn't gotten his void power cuase it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean he never had void energy

plus the way our timelines add up he aged becuase he was never tranfered in adream cuase he was never saved and had the whole transfernce program

But i wanna point out something alot of people missed i feel like which is when he says hey that's my que...i think. He glows again so i think he's actually trapped in the void aka the zairman 1. When we were thrown into the void we reappeared the moment the whole room scene starts meaning we reconnected with wherever the zairman is at. Which i think is what caused the surge between the two times to allow that girl to message us. Becuase if you replay one the logs when she notices us she says is that another d....never mind. I think she was going to say another dimension

Also supported by this is when he says you can't kill a demon but you can send them to hell aka our hell being the zairmen

[tropic current]

eh

[subtle crown]

The real question is "does Natah/Lotus/Margulis know that we know about MITW?"

[cyan crest]

And if she knows, does she know we know she knows we know?

[subtle crown]

Outside of Rell she has basically been gaslit by Ballas the whole time.

[rancid gate]

She did deny what she saw at the end of TNW where Vitruvian Wally rolled up out of the Void

[subtle crown]

Meanwhile her left hand was smoking.

[rancid gate]

She's either in deep denial over him since Chains of Harrow or... Something else

[rancid gate]

Yep, and she just barely pushed him back before he broke through the veil completely

[grim oasis]

What's the expected update size?

[vagrant sorrel]

Probably not New War-sized, but big. There's a lot of new stuff.

They called Angels of the Zariman one of their biggest updates at some point I believe. Somewhere in the marketing ads.
So given Warframe update-sizes and compression I'm guessing 1GB, maybe more if we wanna be generous ?

[quasi oriole]

i was thinking a bit more then that

Quite a bit of overhuals so gonna have to reinstall a bit of content too

i was thinking 2.5gb range

[subtle crown]

2.5GB is colossal.

Especially for DE.

[spark herald]

Depends how much map assets are reused from new-war.

[subtle crown]

War within and the new corpus ship tileset combined weren't even 2.5 GB.

[lapis portal]

caught sleep paralysis demon yet again

[subtle crown]

They look like me trying to crack my neck. Only thing missing is a pair of headphones XD

"Lean just a little bit further"

[dusky linden]

wait wtf, this can happen???

I've never experienced this

[subtle crown]

Wally.

Happened for years now.

[dusky linden]

I've heard the "hey kiddo" lot

but I've never seen them

[subtle crown]

"Hey Kiddo" is how they signal they are there. if you look around too quickly they could maybe be barely visible for 1frame.

Once you look away they disappear. If you stop and stare you can look at them for maybe 15-20 seconds.

[dusky linden]

interesting

[subtle crown]

Hence some of us using MITW and Wally to refer to 2 individuals. MITW is the marble statue vitruvian man man in the wall. Wally is his proxy that looks like us.

[dusky linden]

I hope we see more of them in angels of the zariman

[subtle crown]

I hope so as well though I'm not 100%

[lapis portal]

for what frames is Wally mostly visible?

[subtle crown]

Any and all. Pure RNG.

[winged egret]

iirc it has nothing to do with what frame or state you are in. all that matters is your overall quest progression after a certain point he starts appearing.

[subtle crown]

I didn't see him for over a year, saw him twice in 1 month, didn't see for 3-4 months, spooped again, etc.

War within.

Once you complete that quest the RNG spoop starts.

Why it starts is explained in the quest.

[winged egret]

there you go. that's the flag you need. everything else doesn't matter.

[subtle crown]

Wait, not war within.

Chains quest.

Got confused for a sec sorry.

[lapis portal]

when you interact with this you ahve chance to hear man in the wall

[winged egret]

yeah, I think it was the Harrow questline, wasn't it?

[subtle crown]

Yeah, chains quest.

Got confused since there has been a fair amount of talk revolving around war within.

[winged egret]

thematically, both are also quite close so no wonder.

[subtle crown]

Plus there is a hefty amount of overlap when it comes to new war,

[lapis portal]

i casually own 2 noggle statues of yareli

[zenith jacinth]

*wait near it

[lapis portal]

i got voiceline "hey kiddo do you hate me?" or similar

[zenith jacinth]

Yes, those trigger if you wait near it

[zenith jacinth]

Also, I pretty much started that

[subtle crown]

Cute, no.

[zenith jacinth]

[subtle crown]

You might think you came up with it however it was designed by the devs to the point "MITW vs Wally" was thought of by minimum 5 digits of people at once things they're the first despite the devs already deciding potentially years ago.

[trim tree]

Don’t those drop from the quest? I have them to

[zenith jacinth]

Well then

[lapis portal]

2nd lotus?

[fossil fractal]

grustrag

[zenith jacinth]

No, that's clearly lotus. The names would never lie

[lapis jungle]

Saw that bug 3 times today seems to happen a lot these days

[dry magnet]

Im thinking about upcoming update that maybe we will get new weapons for Drifter and maybe some new outfits for him….

Also hoping for beard 🧔‍♂️ option

[zenith jacinth]

That'll most likely be later

[zenith jacinth]

And this will probably never happen outside of quests

The weapons, that is

[lament ferry]

Anyone knows if the shards we have before the update will pass on to the new update or they will gone??

[zenith jacinth]

Eidolon shards? No reason for them to disappear

[deft void]

The Zariman logs break lore, there were no adults found on the Zariman, we've known that since the first few quests, Didn't we?

[ancient trench]

its been lied i think cuz we did find one adult the drifter

[heavy obsidian]

I’m kind of stuck between Unairu and Zenurik for my usual play/Endurance Runs. Unairu’s filling a tank role (although not amazingly) and Zenurik being just as friendly for Energy + being more Operator/Drifter focused.

[supple dagger]

They don't. All the logs are from the incident itself, and it likely isn't even the Operator Zariman

[deft void]

But we know from the Orokin logs we find that there were no adults on the Zariman when the ship was investigated.

[zenith jacinth]

Different zariman, and they were a kid when it launched

[deft void]

Didn't Lotus confirm this after Second Dream?

and War within

The Worm Queen I think said there were no survivors.
(Idk I'm not playing that worm part again.)

[supple dagger]

Yes, on the Operator Zariman cause we killed them all. All the logs are from the point in time the Zariman is still in the Void

As well, again, it could be Drifter's Zariman

[reef dirge]

It's very possible we are going to be seeing things involving a dimensions Zariman. Zari in the logs started to say something about transmitting from a different dimension but stopped and said it's not important

[keen sentinel]

Dunno where to put this but this seems like the most appropriate channel for this idea of mine:

Personally I dont think Wally had a part in turning the zariman crew into void angels, cuz i forget where it says this but the orokin studied the void and said it basically turned anyone coocoo, but those people didnt have time to turn into angels because they were immediately killed by orokin guards. I believe the angels are simply a result from the pure void energy that was poured into them, after all, no place has more void energy than the void itself. And the void didnt corrupt just the people, but it even started corrupting the ship itself

[zenith jacinth]

Was it confirmed that the angels are transformed people?

[supple dagger]

It's not, but it's very very likely

[formal grove]

it's highly implied

[sharp spoke]

Wednesday cannot come sooner

[pulsar imp]

gives new meaning to "Shinji, get in the mech"

[fleet veldt]

Bring the Necramech.

[torpid lantern]

The last link at the bottom this page is highly questionable about whether MITW wasn't involved
https://www.warframe.com/news/i-need-your-help

[uncut bane]

bro i cannot take sentients seriously because imagine fighting the worst war in the whole universe and they hit you with the

[astral crypt]

Angy birb

Don’t judge angy birb I like angy birb

[fleet veldt]

Sentient drone/fighter forms are mostly seahorse-bodied with vague shapes.

Furthermore, we're still in the ~~Sol ~~Origin system.

[uncut bane]

If they ever add a Tau open world, Sentients should be an actual threat to the player instead of an annoyance

[fleet veldt]

And as friendlies. Sentients need to also introduce us to whatever locals developed in that system while we and the Orokin were gone.

Still hoping/wondering if there's at least one or more Z10-0 instances stuck over there as well.

[uncut bane]

Imagine one of those modular companions but it's a Sentient

[sharp spoke]

I'd say that is a distinct possibility, right? One Z stuck in Sol, one stuck in the void/duviri, and one stuck in Tau - the endpoint of the jump?

[fleet veldt]

As modular as a -lyst (Concu, Batta, Ocu, Symba, Chora, and so on).

The Z10-0 still in Sol is the Colony Ship.
The one in Duviri would no doubt be something between the Colony Ship and warship.
The 10-0 in Tau is a warship sent to wipe out the Sentient. It failed.

[uncut bane]

That's actually a really good idea Jesus Christ

Different Sentient models could be useful for different kinds of situations

An Oculyst type companion for surveillance/utility, and Battalysts or Conculysts for offense

[fleet veldt]

And then there could be a mini-Teralyst type for Necramech functionality.

[sharp spoke]

That'd be pretty dope

I would say that Sentient companions are unlikely, because Caliban's summon exists.
But also, like, cmon. I feel like it's inevitable

[uncut bane]

Although I really want the Sentients in a Tau open world to NOT be a pushover/annoyance

We're talking like, Sentients in Tau, probably ones who didn't cross the 'gap' or the Void, so we're probably talking full potential Sentients here

[sharp spoke]

Oooh Caliban needs an augment similar to Atlas where his many Battabois are replaced with one big lad. Like the hammer dude

[uncut bane]

Like Tenno could reasonably beat up a Sentient in the Origin system, but in Tau Sentients are a huge problem and could probably beat up a Tenno

[sharp spoke]

That sounds awesome, until you actually get squad wiped by the uber-sentients

[uncut bane]

Extreme risk, and a much higher reward

[fleet veldt]

Or the Tau Sentients have a variation which are immune to Void damage from having figured out a solution, but are unable to adapt as quickly to damage - so they pull a new move: teleport your ammo reserves elsewhere.

[uncut bane]

Sentients do a slight amount of trolling

[sharp spoke]

[fleet veldt]

That and we'd no doubt be helping the Sentient with recovering Phragasa and migrating Hunhow back to his kin for rehab, and to eventually work on reviving Phragasa.

[sharp spoke]

Why would we do that, though?

[uncut bane]

We should all come up with concepts for a Tau open world

[fleet veldt]

Sentients only fought because of the Orokin. We are not the Orokin. We want an end to further conflict.

So we might wind up pairing up against whatever comes out of that gap.

The Void.

Also, consider the superficial similarities of Sentient forms and the Void Angels.

[sharp spoke]

Fair enough

[uncut bane]

I agree, there should definitely be friendly Sentients in some way or form

[sharp spoke]

I mean, I guess we're not so different in some ways - outcasts, the folly of Orokin greed. Semi-robots

[fleet veldt]

At least three factions; ones who are friendly and figured a way to adapt to the Void, ones who didn't and don't like us - and thus adhere to the old ways, and ones who are inbetween or are unsure (or want no involvement).

With the fourth being Eidolons - plants, animals and sapient beings filling in for the terraformed ecosystems.

[supple dagger]

Except there can't be one in Tau since we have one here

[uncut bane]

Although we also need a 'town' of sorts, like with Cetus and Fortuna

[fleet veldt]

There can be. The Void has proven that there's at least two.

The one in Sol and the one in Duviri.

[sharp spoke]

Oh, I guess that's true. There can only be one "instance" of a thing in "reality" per the operator/Drifter rules.

Yeah, but Tau is another star system, not another dimension

[fleet veldt]

Since the backend of the 10-0 is Void'd, then the backend could be in Tau?

[supple dagger]

Yes, cause one of them is in the void. There can't be two of them out of void at once

[fleet veldt]

True.

[sharp spoke]

Right. 2 is the maximum of anything we've seen so far

[uncut bane]

Fishing in Tau

I guess the ores could also be somewhat interesting

[fleet veldt]

Duality. "...Dualism as truth." - Ballas, Vitruvian, Sacrifice.

Like literal living self-replicating ores that are actually Sentients that are begging you to be used for some purpose.

[uncut bane]

I'm writing everything down

All the ideas I have and stuff

[uncut bane]

I remembered this concept about Sentients who adapted to the Void: and I came up with a concept

Amps that convert all Void damage into Tau damage

[real niche]

The day Sentients adapt to Void is the day hell freezes over

[uncut bane]

^

[onyx quartz]

Oh no

[fleet veldt]

The adapted Sentients would likely also be much more human-shaped and have Kuva veins.

Some may be exaggerated or be literal anime references.

[uncut bane]

Probably not human shaped, but Kuva could probably play a part, yes

[supple dagger]

Kuva would just make them doubly weak to void stuff

[uncut bane]

Although Tau damage would have to be made good

Tau damage becomes ONE optimal damage type for an enemy: Viral for Grineer, or Heat for Infested for example

As long as Tau damage is applied to a weapon, you can't get more than 2 other damage types on there to prevent it from being made too op

[fleet veldt]

Unum Kuva healed the Plains Eidolon though, but that was before it got Void-nuked and became said Eidolon.

[uncut bane]

It also has to be a base damage type, like Heat or Electricity, and it cannot become one of the combination damage types

[supple dagger]

Yeah, it reset them, didn't make them adapt to Void

And then having Kuva just makes them weak to Requiem nonsense

[fleet veldt]

Not 'reset'. If it got reset it wouldn't have reason to become the tower.

[supple dagger]

It wanted to become the tower to have permanent access to the Kuva

And get a full reset, not just a taste

[fleet veldt]

Full heal, not just a potion dose.

[uncut bane]

If that type of thing was added there would be a new meta

It'd probably be like Helminth invigorations but permanent and removable

"NEW META IN THE TAU UPDATE??"

[fleet veldt]

Tau damage would basically be like how Revenant's charged laser spin adapts damage, but it requires consistent damage output or else the weapon used to deal that damage 'forgets' after a duration (which should be longer than reload speeds).

[uncut bane]

Agreed

The first time you proc Tau damage, it would be like the 'current' Tau damage, but you see a particle effect indicating it has now adapted damage, and then the next time you proc Tau it becomes that optimal damage type

[subtle crown]

Woo magnetic against the corpus.

[uncut bane]

After a while, if you don't attack that enemy (or other entities that are the same enemy), it forgets

[fleet veldt]

However, entities that are shielded by Void or are Void-related (i.e: Corrupted) would cause that Tau damage to translate to the worst possible elements/damage instead of optimal.

[uncut bane]

^

[fleet veldt]

I recall mentioning this earlier. I also remember some kind of idea I threw together for a Chroma and Hydroid revisit/rework in either gameplay or previous lore discussion.

[uncut bane]

What if it worked similarly to Overguard? "Void-shielded" or Void enemies would have an invisible bar against Tau damage that does this for a while, but do enough damage and this goes away

[subtle crown]

So, basically you want a weapon with a passive that swaps between corrosive/magnetic/gas depending on faction?

[fleet veldt]

Sentient weaponry that already exists should all have this built-in.

[uncut bane]

Yes, however as stated Tau makes it so that you can't combine new damage types to make a combined one, and you can only get 1 more BASE damage type

[subtle crown]

If you say so, though lore wise their adaptation works the other way. Adapting to incoming damage, not outgoing.

[fleet veldt]

Revenant's ult's damage when charged adapts to enemy resistances.

[subtle crown]

Yes. It swaps between corrosive/magnetic/gas depending on faction.

[uncut bane]

So it would be Viral for Grineer, Magnetic for Corpus and heat or gas (???) for Infested

[fleet veldt]

Now imagine if Tau's native Sentient forces had this as well as the pre-nerf Adaptation (with its own 'Void' health bar so it can be knocked low or counteradapted with our own Tau damage).

The Tau damage would be added as a mod that converts XYZ% damage to Tau and adds a % of Tau damage, which then converts it back to optimal damage type(s) if the weapon or its mod compliment support it.

So lets say you have a Braton that does corrosive damage. You slap this Tau mod on. You fight Infested. Weapon deals (mostly) fire damage instead because Infested don't do well against fire.

[subtle crown]

There is no viral for rev. Corrosive is used for grineer for the innate 75% extra damage.

[uncut bane]

We aren't talking about Rev, we're talking about the Tau damage concept

[fleet veldt]

Or a hypothetical mod that applies it, as I suggested, which draws from other mods on the weapon as a limitator instead of straight-up adding damage (slash/puncture/impact + elements) that aren't on the weapon.

Could also rely on crits to trigger the effect. Something like 'Critical Analysis' or 'Fatal Adaption' would be a good name for it.

[subtle crown]

Yes, you're talking about a passive that just changes elements based upon the mission while also trying to make it a status only element.

[uncut bane]

It's worth noting that the special infested use the Fossilized resistance instead, which Corrosive deals with easily, with a +75% to Fossilized

[uncut bane]

Unfortunately however, Heat does nothing to Fossilized

[fleet veldt]

Heat was modified a while back to add some damage benefits against armour overall. It strips armour a bit.

[tawdry sierra]

did we solve the password from last open comms stream?

[fleet veldt]

This is spoiler. The password and ARG stuff is #aotz-chat

[tawdry sierra]

i figured i'd ask here since it could technically be a spoiler

[woven cypress]

So we may have an operator only section when fighting void angels?

[tawdry aspen]

why when i transfer out of umbra and go back in im at 300 hp down from 1,070 hp? i was running a few missions and that happened for some reason

if thats a gameplay question apologies but i asked here because its happening to umbra

[uneven robin]

Did the operator die and then returned to the warframe?

If that is the case, it might be due to "Transference static"

[tawdry aspen]

no

i was on base earth

i lost 710 health

just by doing a transfer out dashing f or energizing dash then going back in

[spark herald]

Umbr takes damage.

[tawdry aspen]

yeah but i also have a r5 magus repair so...

that doesnt explain the health loss

his bar is full before i transfer back in, but as soon as i go back in im at 300 hp

i just went into sim its happening in there as well

[faint raven]

Support is silent for the sixth day. Is this normal?

[tawdry aspen]

there getting ready for update so yea

[polar heron]

So this is what the void angels look like 🤨

[zenith jacinth]

Neat

[astral crypt]

Sentient?

[spark herald]

Unlikely considering sentients abhor the void.

[modest ore]

Until proven otherwise, I choose to believe the angels are what’s left of the adults on the zariman

[uncut bane]

Not only do they abhor it, they are WEAK to it

[dry magnet]

Prototype 3 is that you? 😅

[polar heron]

? Nah wrong person sorry?

[frail nymph]

Cool, but not exactly how eternalism works in common circumstances, so need a bunch of explanation

[dry magnet]

She looks like a warframe but I think there is aslo more designs then just this 1 (wisp)

And we aslo seen here in Zariman ship in new war as some statu, not that much deformed but it whose here

[fossil fractal]

zariman really was a suicide mission wow

hoping operator/drifter gets to interact with new syndicate with actual voice lines

[uneven robin]

Guys, when can one interact with the "Reliquary drive" on our Railjacks?

[fossil fractal]

after you completely beat rising tide

[vagrant sorrel]

But even then it's just some narrative fluff, no actual mechanics tied to it as of yet

[fossil fractal]

the railjack working counts as a mechanic

[uneven robin]

Man i was done with that last year

I've been pressing 'X'

And the cephalon says some random stuff after

But nothing really happens

[fossil fractal]

did you do the mission where you get the finger

if you did you can start railjack mission

[frail nymph]

That's what the interaction is for now

[faint raven]

Support is silent for the sixth day. Is this normal?

[obtuse gyro]

Im sorry did you just say the Z10 in Tau is a warship?

[swift pond]

....at what point was Z10 ever a warship? It was and always has been a colony ship made pre-Sentient uprising. The military ship story was a cover-up, if you were referring to that.

[obtuse gyro]

Even more so one sent to destroy the sentients. Like with what the overglorified confetti cannons?

[little grotto]

Where is this established?

[swift pond]

Which part? I assume the cover story?

[little grotto]

Yes. Though I’d also say colony and military ships are not mutually exclusive.

[fossil fractal]

they said in one of the arg thingys that it didnt have ordnance iirc

[little grotto]

Not all military ships are armed

[fossil fractal]

no it said they had a handful of deployable ordnance and ceremonial weapons

[swift pond]

Lotus, War Within:
"When the Zariman was found adrift, the Orokin did everything they could to erase their mistakes. Transit recordings, personnel logs... everything was wiped out."

If not a colony ship, they were definitely trying to cover their screw-up.

[little grotto]

In context, particularly the “confetti cannon” jape, that reads like their internal security armory. No relation to if the ship carried anti ship weapons.

And again, not all military vessels carry significant antipersonnel weapons either. Submarine there may only be one armed person on a given deck/compartment.

[swift pond]

Beyond that, why would a military vessel have children on it? Aside from common sense, the Orokin said it themselves when pressed:
"Why did you put children on a military ship?!"
"We didn't. That would violate procedure."

[little grotto]

See no reason not to think that would follow to space vessels

[fossil fractal]

if they arent gonna be armed they should have more than "glorified confetti cannons"

[little grotto]

… that makes no sense

I’m not saying the Zariman wasn’t a colony ship. Just trying to say it being a colony ship doesn’t mean it couldn’t have been a military ship as well.

[fossil fractal]

oh ok

so then pointless "argument" xD have a good one

[swift pond]

So we're just arguing semantics then. Gotcha.

[little grotto]

Honestly, there’s a fair amount of dissonance in the lore these days. Some can be chalked up to unreliable narrators but part of me thinks the “bible” was a bit weak.

[swift pond]

I wouldn't call this dissonance, we were literally arguing whether or not a colony ship was a military vessel or not. Now that we've established that they are not mutually exclusive, there's no point in saying it was one or the other as it would make no difference.

[supple dagger]

looks like me in the morning

[ivory surge]

Before or after coffee?

[obtuse gyro]

Which is an incredibly dumb thing to say in the context of the zariman mission

[light mantle]

do we know how many hours till we are able to download the update?

[obtuse gyro]

Additionally, if the Zariman was meant to be a warship sent to take the fight to the sentients, not having on board weapons is a literal death sentence to the crew

[swift pond]

Safe to assume the Sentients didn't go AWOL at the time either, at least not when they sent it out, so why would it be a combat vessel? Filled with children no less?
I can buy it being a military vessel in the sense that supply craft and such aren't necessarily there to fight, but it has connotations that don't match the relatively peaceful scenario.

[obtuse gyro]

not to mention if it was a warship sent to fight the sentients the people on board, the ones who should have been allegedly fighting the sentients, are awfully unaware of fighting the sentients, and were fully convinced that they were going on a colonisation mission

[swift pond]

Unless it was very aggressive colonisation.

[supple dagger]

both

[supple dagger]

if no new warframe looking like this arrives i will be sad

[swift pond]

I can see a future Xaku Tennogen trying to do that.

[sacred mural]

hey guys is blue fortuna just gone after new war? I liked blue fortuna

[real niche]

Gone.

[sacred mural]

:(

REEE Im going to wear ballas as a coat

[fleet veldt]

Ballas be dead. Narmer remains. May want to turn their veils into plates for a syandana.

[lime salmon]

I feel you though, I miss blue fortuna
the lighting definitely didn’t hurt my eyes as much

[broken flame]

Solaris before new war were slaves

Solaris during new war

Slaves as well

[swift pond]

Average Nef Anyo wage slave:

Average Narmer mind slave:

[stray sleet]

are the Thrax Centurions ghosts of orokin era grineer?

[swift pond]

There's an uncanny resemblance there, that's for sure.

[sacred mural]

They look so clean compared to the grineer we have now

I suppose grineer now to orokin era grineer are what pugs are to wolves

[stray sleet]

Great example

[supple dagger]

i dont mind the fortuna change BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO "WE ALL LIFT TOGETHER" AGAIN

[fossil fractal]

whats that from

[stray sleet]

The warframe opening cinematic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsbL8lFHrZI&t=110s

[fossil fractal]

oh ok

why doesnt magentize work like that

[supple dagger]

idk what your talking about i see it does

[fossil fractal]

you dont hold a lil thing in your hands that captures all the bullets and when its done tosses them all out

when you do create the thing in your hand it just deals it back in a punch

[supple dagger]

wait how does it sound that when we do grineer faction missions why dont we see dax soldiers when in the trailer we do?

dax aka table men

[fossil fractal]

i mean all the dax except varzia are dead

[obtuse gyro]

But it does do that?

[fossil fractal]

idk about teshin because im still not 100% on people in warframe universe dying when theyre supposed to

[fossil fractal]

thats the tap with polarize which you dont hold in your hands

[obtuse gyro]

(HOLD) Creates a magnetic field around Mag, absorbing ranged attacks and dealing damage back in a destructive cone.

[stray sleet]

The trailer is set in the orokin era, which means the orokin were still alive at that time

[fossil fractal]

well from personal experience that isnt what it does

just punches em

[supple dagger]

except varzia and teshin until u do new war then its just varzia

[supple dagger]

yeah i know that but im saying as an idea for missions...

[obtuse gyro]

?

[supple dagger]

i feel so nostalgic when i see this...

[fossil fractal]

i didnt see bullets flying did i miss it

[supple dagger]

probably

[fossil fractal]

ill hop in my own captura and see if i can catch the bullet

[fossil fractal]

so it does have more range than normal punch

[supple dagger]

for this new focus rework are those of us who got upgrades going to get a focus refund?

[sacred mural]

From what I heard its, your focus pool is returned as eidolon shards and your focus schools just gets refunded

[subtle crown]

Yes.

[light mantle]

chances of angels of zarimen dropping boosters like new war did?

curious as i would like to line up doing angels with the aniversity boosters if possible

[supple dagger]

anniversary is going end at the end of this week

[light mantle]

yes but angels launches before it ends

[supple dagger]

we only get the anniversary boosters on the weekends

[light mantle]

ik we still have one more weekend of boosters

final week is credit and affinty

which is why im wondering the chances of angels dropping boosters as i did new war and managed to line up the the event booster with the booster from new war to get 1 mil credits each index round

[supple dagger]

i do own caliban and he is number 4 on my most used warframes

was the statistics from last year, so if you didn't play him last year it won't say anything

[flat shadow]

That also only counts kills made from warframe powers. If you murder 10 million infested with your primary, but they won't count on that screen

[subtle crown]

Yup. It's how I have 56k kills on my Octavia prime while my total play time with her is maybe 10 hours for all of 2021. She was used to farm mot fissures.

[trim tree]

Are stats like these available somewhere for each warframe you have?

[subtle crown]

Nah, that's part of https://www.warframe.com/anniversary . Log in at the top then scroll down to the bottom.

[simple python]

Ah... Angels of Zariman drop tomorrow. I think I'm gonna hold off on getting Gyre till I finish the quest, but I will be rocking Gara. Oh! Of course, directly after I refocus my stuff.

[zenith jacinth]

Big scythe
Big scythe

I got money saved up on my switch for it

[simple python]

You're only getting the scythe? Let me know how it does for stat/melee duality

[fossil fractal]

im gonna be using umbra

[zenith jacinth]

I'm getting whatever pack I can afford

[simple python]

Is that because you only have Umbra or are you still mad over TNW?

[zenith jacinth]

And I hope the scythe is a good status weapon, I really like status

[simple python]

Status seems to be the primary pull for meta. Like those watermelons with all the rubber bands. Packing on slash and viral till they slice because your sword is slash-partial

[zenith jacinth]

I'm just very much depending on status as a lavos+cedo main

[simple python]

Cedo's its own thing.

[zenith jacinth]

And CO is fun

[zenith jacinth]

Thing can 1-shot guva grineer after using alt fire once.

[simple python]

I know. I'm just excited to see Gyre. Might even get in some farming if they drop the update in the morning

[fossil fractal]

i just like using him

[woeful edge]

hey, so, i wanna engage in some creative writing about aotz, but i need some ideas and i figured this would be the best place to ask

[west cypress]

THE ANGEL MOVES

[fleet veldt]

I expected this.

[sharp spoke]

Yes.

[fleet veldt]

Now to aggressively implant every Angel with a Transference Bolt

[uncut silo]

Do we know what time update drops??

[fleet veldt]

Earliest I can guess? Check back in 18-24 hours.

[zenith jacinth]

Soon enough

[uncut silo]

That’s fair I’m just über hyped for gyre

[fleet veldt]

I'm more hyped for the Heavy Scythe so I can pair it with the likes of Sevagoth.
And the lore.

[uncut silo]

That too I’ll probs be using it for a hot min

[zenith jacinth]

I'm just excited for heavy scythe because it's an accurately sized scythe for once

[autumn turret]

im hyped for focus rework

[zenith jacinth]

Never cared about focus much tbh aside from the melee buff from madurai

Wait, no wonder that I deal so much dmg in unmodded duels...

[fleet veldt]

I stared with Naramon in the OG version of the system.

[uncut silo]

I’m just ready for the focus to not have to worry about the stupid pools

[versed flicker]

Wait people are interested about the warframe? Isn’t it just another older warframe turned female just for the appeal?

[floral lance]

Is the eximus rework coming with this coming update?

[zealous comet]

Yes

[zealous comet]

She’s electricity based but different from volt

It’s like saying nezha is male ember

[west quarry]

I hope this is the right place to post this? A friend told me to share this here~
I played the new war on pc(formally played it on console) and well I became a shark?

apologies, I don't normally post here aside from art but I just thought this was rather...interesting

[uncut silo]

Oh yea I’m hella hyped for Gyre I would love to have a electric frame in my arsenal but I really dislike volt’s loadout

[thick jolt]

I want to have those incarnon weapons

The primary turning into a heavy weapon style got me interested

[fleet veldt]

That is hilarious. Also implies a future where the Drifter (or other versions of the Tenno) would use Paracesis (or, even, was an Orokin).

[west quarry]

It would be so cool to see the operator/drifter wield the paracesis

[obtuse gyro]

My scrawny beanpole of a operator will suffer

[autumn turret]

i really hope we can keep the uncorrupted look of the new weaps

i love the aesthetics

[uncut bane]

I mean, the Drifter uses the same rig as the Warframes

[autumn turret]

i want drifter to be able to ride the kdrive for real

also make biffing it at high speed lethal when you do that

i should use yareli more

[west quarry]

True, everything seems to be all animated the drifter even has a melee, it was extreme disappointing finishing the quest and having drifter as just an adult operator skin. I really hope in the future we can use the drifter or even operator the way we did in the quest with gun, bows, and melees

I do understand the quest was 5 hours long though and they probably didn't have time to add something permanent and game changing like that to the game

[autumn turret]

Aotz was originally supposed to be part of the new war seemingly

[digital siren]

replaying the new war, I almost forgot about the ticker floofs

[thick jolt]

Lol

[digital siren]

fishing lady still fishing

[past kiln]

gotta do what you gotta do, even if a drippy blue guy puts vr headsets on everyone

[fleet veldt]

I suppose if you do what you want/have to do and you excel, the Narmer Veil won't do much. I do wonder if it's possible to hack the network and give the Veil-users personal settings so they can have a means to self-liberate if they want to interact with someone outside the Veil network.

Essentially it'd cut off Narmer's threat by giving it's users control over themselves. Sure, they can network, they could let the Veil show them peace and give them a sense of it by working together, but then they could go 'I need real sleep' and take it off for an evening.

All we need to do is convince Erra that this is a good idea.

Then test it on the Angels.

[digital siren]

I think DE literally forgot about this person, they don't have a veil in the first place

[fleet veldt]

Maybe the Narmer people were convinced the fisher was happy fishing.

[digital siren]

didn't even try

[past kiln]

what praghasa's cephalon is telling ballas, probably

[past kiln]

oh yea then theres ventkids who still have veils on post-quest

[lapis portal]

when does update comes?

[subtle crown]

Not for a long time.

[lapis portal]

like 4 am?(that's time daily resets for me)

[subtle crown]

It is currently 6:48 pm on the 26th of Apr where DE headquarters are.

[thick jolt]

A bit later than that i think

[subtle crown]

The update is not for a long time.

[fleet veldt]

Give it 24 hours.

[lapis portal]

jeez talking about being 8 hours ahead

[subtle crown]

Nope. DE are 14 hours behind me since they're in the GMT-6 timezone.

[lapis portal]

i live in europe

so GTM +2 for me

[subtle crown]

Updates usually happen around 10AM head office time these past 2 years so looking about 15 hours.

[lapis portal]

yes it's 2 am for me

[subtle crown]

Could be as early as 14, might be as high as 23.

[fleet veldt]

Or even the day after.

[subtle crown]

Distinct possibility.

[lapis portal]

sleep schedule? messed up; if i go to sleep at 8 to 12 pm i sleep like 3 to 4 hours

[subtle crown]

Imagine having a stable sleep schedule. Can't relate.

[fleet veldt]

2am over here.

[lapis portal]

i only get some sleep if i go to sleep at 3 or4 am

[subtle crown]

9am my time which means about an hour till bed. Should probably food shop but that means effort.

[lapis portal]

pulled 3 nighter in a row once

[subtle crown]

"All dayers" are hard.

[lapis portal]

meanwhile there is me who wakes up between 1 and 3 pm

it takes effort to fix unstable sleeping schedule

[fleet veldt]

Speaking of bed, I'm having trouble not thinking about how it'd feel like to be in the following hypothetical situation:
||Male Operator.
Female Drifter.||

The rest is subject to interpretation.

[lapis portal]

how does that happened?

[subtle crown]

You can customise them differently.

So people headcanon them as trans.

[lapis portal]

i saw on youtube legit female operator looking

like how does that even happeneds?

[subtle crown]

Playing around with sliders and having a well designed aesthetic.

[lapis portal]

also how do people have 3 way colored hair on operator?

[subtle crown]

Some hairstyles have an inbuilt 3rd colour.

Ask in #fashion-frame

[lapis portal]

as f2p i'm little disappointed that can't be done with free hairstyles

[subtle crown]

They will be able to help you way more than I can.

[real niche]

You can be f2p and still get plat

[lapis portal]

i mostly waste it on frame slots and things to boost points

for frames and weapons

Since noone is buying ayatan statues i have i sell Riven mods

When i get them

So i don't get chance to get any riven mods when I'm in need of platinum

[warm sparrow]

This is kind of old but is Ember Prime’s Codex entry implying that Warframes are designed after the Zariman kid’s powers?

[thick jolt]

I think rhino prime explains more of the relation of tenno and warframes than ember prime

[radiant spire]

Lunaro lore coming?

[thick jolt]

Ember prime is more about what to me looks like a cover up operation of the zariman

[warm sparrow]

It says that the kid burned the woman, which makes me think Tenno inspired the Warframe designs, but I always thought Ballas just made up random Warframes and Tenno were just there to calm them down

By inspired I mean like, they made a fire Warframe that would specifically channel a Zariman child who could use fire, but all the recent lore kind of refuted that no?

[supple dagger]

Ballas frames based on whatever fit his fancy at the time

[warm sparrow]

Yeah

So is it just outdated?

[autumn turret]

Mind posting the entry?

[thick jolt]

And maybe the person who used to be the frame
Think it was gara prime that made that clear ?

[warm sparrow]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ember/Prime

[supple dagger]

Not outdated. Getting blasted with a burst of pure void every cam still cause burns

It certainly caused Margulis to go blind

[warm sparrow]

So it’s more like a story that just shows what Tenno are capable of, and they just added it in because burn=Ember?

[supple dagger]

Partially, yeah

[warm sparrow]

Aw thats a lot less interesting 😦

[thick jolt]

Considering ember primes codex doesnt mention warframes and how rhino primes codex talks about one of the prototype warframes i dont think the prime codex are directly about each warframe

[warm sparrow]

Ah thats true

Wish Synthesis Targets came back. I miss those little stories so much. I guess it’ll be more upfront in our faces though with the Zariman update

[thick jolt]

Hope zariman launches with its own codex fragments

[warm sparrow]

Please

I really liked the Ordis ones. That one was really sad but cool

[autumn turret]

I dont see mention of burn

[warm sparrow]

The woman in the story is horribly burned by the Zariman child

The story’s basically an allegory to Ember but it doesn’t actually involve her afaik

I always assumed the Rhino Prime entry was also talking about Rhino, but rereading it now, the descriptions of the frame doesn’t sound anything like Rhino other than being beastly

[supple dagger]

leaves a lot to imagination, i always thought the one on ember codex was turned into a warframe and resulting in ember

[warm sparrow]

It says his skin is like, literally bouncing bullets off, but Rhino’s skin wouldn’t cause that

[supple dagger]

The frame there is exactly Rhino. It uses Charge, Roar, and Iron Skin

[warm sparrow]

Which part sounds like iron skin?

[real niche]

The bullets deflecting part you just mentioned

[warm sparrow]

The part I read makes it sound like his skin morphs the bullets out of the way, not deflecting them

[real niche]

Its skin changes, flowing like mercury when I'm blinded by the sudden muzzle-flashes. They do no good.

Or this maybe.

[warm sparrow]

Oh nvm yeah I misinterpreted that part

[real niche]

This sure is our Rhino

[warm sparrow]

Oh like the burned woman? That would be interesting.

[supple dagger]

ye

[warm sparrow]

Oh you know those little tips on loading screens by like, Councillor AZ? How they’re named after Design Council members but also canonical Orokin? Imagine there’s a Warframe origin reveal, and they’re just named after Founders 😂

Thanks for supporting the game, you guys are dead in-universe

[supple dagger]

not dead unless confirmed i guess considering how slippery was ballas
though they're most probably just mentions and won't get any extra info

[subtle crown]

Given frames will never stop being made until the game dies there will no doubt be some overlap of founders who got their names early and frames.

Like the very first person to get Titania. An incredibly popular name and to get it with no numbers or anything would be quite a feat.

[supple dagger]

They aren't canon Orokin, no

[long bloom]

so... going by what i've read on the "I need help" page... the Zariman Ten-zero, what ever orokin company built it, was basicly the warframe equivolent of Vault-tech (going by approval letters). would explain why the jump failed XD

[icy citrus]

Can someone please answer my question about the end of New War?

[river willow]

the creature at the end of the new war is The Man In The Wall
Currently don't know why it's there but yeah

[icy citrus]

Seriously seriously? Frick.

Is The Man In The Wall an Orokin?

[obtuse gyro]

No

[icy citrus]

What is it?

[pseudo willow]

A “god”

Or atleast powerful deity

[obtuse gyro]

For a "god" he sure has trouble keeping fingers

[pseudo willow]

HA

[icy citrus]

How vague

[obtuse gyro]

Its an eldritch being at most, something from the void, maybe even the void itself

[pseudo willow]

Likely not the void itself

[obtuse gyro]

We dont know much about him

[icy citrus]

What happened?

[pseudo willow]

Maybe a fundamental part of it though

[obtuse gyro]

You ever wonder where the finger in your railjack came from?

[icy citrus]

No way.

Frick.

[pseudo willow]

Cause lotus says she has seen the walls other ‘face’

[icy citrus]

I’m not sleeping tonight

[pseudo willow]

The finger came from the entrati

Albrecht entrati

[icy citrus]

I’d much rather deal with Erra

[obtuse gyro]

The finger is part of a Reliquary drive, the key to the drive connects the drive most likely to where the finger is, since theres multiple ships using the same tech but only one finger

[obtuse gyro]

The finger isnt Albrecht's

[icy citrus]

Or Hunhow on a bad day

[obtuse gyro]

Its the Wally Clone's

[pseudo willow]

Oh I meant it was severed by albrecht

[obtuse gyro]

Ok yeah thats right

[icy citrus]

Who’s finger is it?

[pseudo willow]

When he shut off the void portal or gate or wormhole

[obtuse gyro]

The Man in the Wall's

Aka Wally's

[pseudo willow]

Idk what’s the difference between any of those but they’re all in warframe with different names

[icy citrus]

Fun name for a nightmare monster

[pseudo willow]

So there must be a difference between them

[icy citrus]

Even Stalker is more fun than that

[pseudo willow]

Huhhh?

[obtuse gyro]

Between who?

[pseudo willow]

The different portals/gates in warframe

[icy citrus]

Is The Man In The Wall an actual threat?

[pseudo willow]

Like voidgates, voidholes and wormholes

[obtuse gyro]

Very, what do you think happened to the zariman?

[icy citrus]

That was him?

I thought it was just a system error

[obtuse gyro]

He certainly was on board in more ways than one

[pseudo willow]

We don’t know his exact intentions but he is highly powerful

He gave all Tenno their powers

[icy citrus]

That doesn’t bode well.

[obtuse gyro]

Look into the hollow eyes of the angels and ask if that was a system error

Their screams hold the answer

[icy citrus]

I’m so not ready for the update

[pseudo willow]

The void is also non linear time which allows it to do wayyy wacky stuff

Like catalogue all of the multiverse al at once

[icy citrus]

Oh, fun

[pseudo willow]

And for seeing future possibilities

[icy citrus]

That would be one hell of a boss fight

[pseudo willow]

Oh my god

[icy citrus]

What?

[pseudo willow]

It totally would but how do you fight the guy that gave you all the power you have

[obtuse gyro]

With bullets. Lots of them

[icy citrus]

All of the guns.

Obviously

And the power of Natah

[pseudo willow]

I’d imagine we’d use something non void like or use the power of ‘the walls other face’

[obtuse gyro]

Actually its more of still linear but time is viewed in blocks, differing blocks which are all as real as the current block

[icy citrus]

Or a very pissed off Hunhow

There’s got to be a weapon to take him down

Just in case

[pseudo willow]

That’s eternalism, I was talking about the void specifically being non linear time

[obtuse gyro]

The void runs on eternalism though

The void doesnt run backwards or forwards differently than normal time

Just that in the void all of it is as real as the other

Time still chugs on into the night, just that there are as many real nights

[pseudo willow]

That’s the multiverse/eternalism though

This is giving me a disease

[obtuse gyro]

Still how the Void works, its not non-linear in time

[pseudo willow]

I think I have dyslexia now

Do of an cfhvcvh

[icy citrus]

My brain hurts

[pseudo willow]

It’s ok it quantum physics and relativity with some space magic the feeling your feeling is perfectly normal

[icy citrus]

I’d much rather be dealing with Parvos

[pseudo willow]

Hahaha

[icy citrus]

Or Glarios

[pseudo willow]

Yeah I hope they expand on the faction leaders storylines too

[icy citrus]

It depends

Is the Worm Queen still alive?

[pseudo willow]

Yes

Not the big one though

The one that looks like a brat

She’s the one that lives

[icy citrus]

Elder Queen is very dead

[pseudo willow]

Yep either dead or terminally I’ll

[icy citrus]

Please let her be dead

I did not appreciate her trying to take my body

Or Teshin being a puppet

[pseudo willow]

She’ll probably come back

Eventually. . .

[icy citrus]

Yay…

Not fair

[pseudo willow]

That’s Kuva for ya

[icy citrus]

I just dealt with my seventh Kuva Lich

I do not want one on my Railjack

I’d happily let Cy take the helm

[rain prawn]

im really hoping the mountain in the war within gets updated, since void blast is being retired

[autumn turret]

yes they're gonna update the things, they kinda have to

[heavy obsidian]

I can see the Golden Maw part being soft locked at release

[untold smelt]

Anyone know the exact time it will be released?

[supple dagger]

most likely close to this

[untold smelt]

Thank you

[short adder]

on orb exploiter: ||is Quill really dead?||

[supple dagger]

i need clan

[hasty pier]

What has angels of zariman been released yet?

Oh wait nvm

[swift pond]

Quill is kill 😔

[swift pond]

2pm across the pond, that's not too bad

[dry magnet]

Update is coming in 4h?

[supple dagger]

idk

[dry magnet]

https://youtu.be/0n6f--mi02A

If this video starts in 4h then it mast be when update is coming after that

[autumn turret]

no

thats not when updates come out

[dry magnet]

Usually is not but then again maybe it will be. They are doing some things differently then before and we are getting big updates much faster then before. So yea maybe, I hope so…

[lime salmon]

I get the feeling that since the trailer’s going to be at 9 am EDT, that it’ll be at 11 am.

Since that’s roughly in the time frame for when updates usually release

[fleet veldt]

I've a feeling the Angels and statues on the Drifter's 10-0 were what inspired Ballas' warframe designs. There's sufficient similarity.

However, we've yet to have another Archwing-style frame in the vein of Titania. The claw-toting Angels seem to have some design semblances to Garuda with the claws and bloodlust.

[supple dagger]

At minimum, Gara, Mirage, and Saryn would disagree with that

[fleet veldt]

Valid points. Still, I expect there to be many Angels with protoframe-esque abilities.

[versed rune]

Does thiss mean this is when the update drops?

[subtle crown]

Not 100%

It is a good estimate though.

[fleet veldt]

Give it another 10 hours at least.

[subtle crown]

Maybe not 10, but considering it's 5:30 AM DE local time it will still be a couple hours at least.

The video premiers at 7AM.

[obtuse gyro]

vauban too

[dry magnet]

yea maybe...becouse why add timer for this trailer.

in the end of trailer it would be something like now its live on all platform or something like that 🙂

[crimson crypt]

well ya it included that, and then said on their twitter ''later today''

[obtuse gyro]

now the grand question comes, is this really drifter's zariman, or somehow against all odds its our zariman

TBD when the update finally drops

[simple python]

It's the zariman. Periodt.

[dry magnet]

Yea looks like we are not that lucky 🙂

[woven topaz]

Hey how do I get help I have an issue with Warframe and I can't seem to contact nobody about this technical issue that I'm having cuz it keeps on kicking me and it says login failure could not connect to server

[flat shadow]

try the link in #support-and-bugs

If you can't log in to the site, you can create a new account to submit the ticket.

[lapis portal]

how does new ordis skin looks like?

i literally did every quest on codex so there is no problem

[swift pond]

"ORDIS SENTINEL SKIN

Cephalon Ordis has always delighted in talking with the Operator. Now he can delight in accompanying the Operator in any situation."

Yessss... Hahahaha, YES!

[subtle crown]

Gogo Helios! Get those sweet succulent scans.

[lapis portal]

so helios got skin to look like ordis

as in "new war" ordis

nothing less expected from DE

it's storming

[dry magnet]

i dont understand how to finish it

[lapis portal]

and i need to update the game

[dry magnet]

im kiling the mini boss but yelow red line is poping out

[lapis portal]

eximus got yellow bar of protevction

before you can kill them

[dry magnet]

not that

its some timer

after i kill them i got 2 yellow things

but he is coming over and over again

[subtle crown]

Can your op/drift damage them?

[dry magnet]

yes i did

when they are ghost

that is why i got that new material drop

but timer line is coming red no mater what

[lapis portal]

can't wait to see tribs reaction on new questline

[subtle crown]

Yeah, what even is this quest.

[lapis portal]

"so there are these void kids leading me to a piano like thing"

what would triburos say on this questline?

if anyone is doing it atm

[rose blaze]

that was a quick quest

[analog cobalt]

man the quest is hard

[rose blaze]

i found it easy

[plain ginkgo]

just how are you supposed to do this quest when you die in seconds

[analog cobalt]

same lmao

[subtle crown]

I have literally no idea why I suddenly went from failing to "gg you won"

[rose blaze]

i used Nezha prime so i found it easy

[lapis portal]

do we get to rechose tenno school we want or?

[subtle crown]

All focus points have been reset.

[plain ginkgo]

also what happened to the melee attack of the operator?

I can't use it anymore for some reason

[subtle crown]

It is now "swap to warframe and use melee"

[jovial heron]

Bro is it suppose to be this hard or am I just bad at the game

Steel path is easier than this first mission

[subtle crown]

Also, I have an amp that used to be my steel path amp and it barely scratches the angry red dudes. I shudder to think about what people with no amps would do.

[lapis portal]

if any of you could combo 2 tenno schools what would be best combo?

my choices are supports

[rose blaze]

oh deary me, there is alot of dorm decorations

[subtle crown]

Sling will take some getting used to.

[rose blaze]

likes maybe 70

[olive rapids]

I think the new operator hood is bugged

It just deletes all my stuff and goes blank

Like, a bare head

[subtle crown]

Make a post on the forums then.

[lapis portal]

i don't have hood covering my drifters head so i don't think i'll have problem

[supple dagger]

anyone knows how to kill kira after i walk into her ?

[subtle crown]

They will be checking the dedicated forum section, misplaced forum bug posts and finally an eye on reddit.

[olive rapids]

Heading to reddit now

[subtle crown]

Just use the forums...

[zealous spindle]

how on earth do i kill ||kira||

[subtle crown]

https://forums.warframe.com/forum/1787-spoilers-angels-of-the-zariman-bugs/?ct=1651075415

[analog cobalt]

ahh man i m getting wrecked fighting these guys

[subtle crown]

Yeah, I am genuinely not sure which amp to go for. I'm having some luck with X4X, going to try X7X.

[supple dagger]

im doing exactly what game says but those balls dont disappear smh

[subtle crown]

Why are enemies level 50...

[supple dagger]

i expected like 100 but its still as easy as new war

[shell notch]

It honestly is, I finished it way to quick

[supple dagger]

the angels quest ?

[shell notch]

yes

[lapis portal]

i had like level 10 necramech with me in new war

[supple dagger]

can u tell me how to kill kira ?

[lapis portal]

still survived till the end

[shell notch]

You need to void dash sling into the balls flying around her

[supple dagger]

i cant get rid of those balls that are making her immortal

[supple dagger]

im doing that

[shell notch]

It took me a few jumps through, but eventually it worked

[supple dagger]

i mean its even hard to get close to them since i can only jump into void

[shell notch]

You can chain jumps with the new system

Jump then hold the jump button

[supple dagger]

yeah that makes it hard

if i could jump in my own way i could get into those balls quicker

[wild jacinth]

ah yes, 5 minute quest and I have no idea where the apartment is

[supple dagger]

but like that idk what to do

mhm