spoiler-chat

[subtle crown]

It's better than the mote and worse than custom amps.

[real niche]

Better than Mote isn't a high bar.

[spring yew]

It's not that bad

[subtle crown]

If the custom amp has any AoE at all then it's a bloodbath. Even with an orange crit from Sirocco.

[real niche]

And "new players" should have at least touched a couple Eidos before doing the newest story quest.

[spring yew]

I know for a fact it isnt

[real niche]

The entire magazine for Mote Amp equals 1 shot of Raplak.
Yes, it is that bad.

[spring yew]

The Sirrico isn't that bad

[real niche]

Oh that's what you mean.
It's mediocre

[subtle crown]

It is a single target pistol in a game where AoE is king.

[spring yew]

But actually it doesn't matter to me. I don't use it for it being good I use it because it feels comfortable and aesthetically pleasing.

Actually was wondering why the overcharge wasn't aoe

[real niche]

Like you're killing stuff with Operator anyway

[subtle crown]

I do.

After all, I invested in steel path solo operator build to do so.

[real niche]

[subtle crown]

Which is sadly being deleted once the update hits since it relies on a bug with void blast.

[spring yew]

Tbh the way I see it if you are going to add a really cool pistol Amp it should at least be mid tier

[subtle crown]

So back to sortie level enemies.

[spring yew]

Maybe higher

[subtle crown]

With any luck Sirocco will gain 2-2.5 base damage minimum.

[real niche]

Better than Mote is all it needs to be for most people because for some reason they don't bother doing Eidos and wonder why their Operator can't do anything

[subtle crown]

Struggling to kill level 20 enemies with an overcharged headshot is so bad.

[spring yew]

I mean the Amp I have now does 9k with alt fire so I know it's better than the Sirrico but the Sirrico is so cool. And mine is just a starter amp

So this actually sucks the more I think about it

What would be nice is letting the Drifter have the Bow

[subtle crown]

As long as we get to keep amp as a secondary.

[spring yew]

Well yea

[subtle crown]

Tree trunks are fun but I want my room clearing weapons.

[spring yew]

You could switch between the two in the story I think? I dunno.... didn't bother switching.

[subtle crown]

You could.

[spring yew]

But there was no reason to.... ha ha ha

[subtle crown]

But them both being single target weapons you just used Nataruk and the Sirocco may as well have not existed.

[spring yew]

Nataruk is an aoe weapon good sir

[subtle crown]

No it's not.

[spring yew]

It has an aoe

[real niche]

Nataruk doesn't have AoE

No, no it doesn't.

[subtle crown]

It's a single target weapon where the hitbox is a tree trunk with perfect and charged shots.

[spring yew]

O.o

I am so confused

[subtle crown]

It's why the devs allow it to be so powerful.

[real niche]

The effect is purely visual

[spring yew]

Then how did I kill 4 enemies at once.

They weren't behind one another

[subtle crown]

It looks cool and is not a bramma/zarr.

Tree. Trunk.

The hitbox around the arrow is stupid big.

[spring yew]

Well I'm just stupid don't mind me

They made that really convincing

[subtle crown]

Nah, it's not obvious and a lot of people get confused over it.

[spring yew]

Basically just like. How do we make a Bow powerful but not AOE... but also AOE....

[snow tapir]

Hi

[subtle crown]

A bunch of people have tried using firestorm to increase the non-existant AoE or fearing the devs will nerf the weapon despite it also having no AoE.

[spring yew]

Ahh yes...... I actually didn't think of that. Mostly because I don't have it. And didn't know it existed

Hello there Reg

Anyways back to work for me thanks for educating me.... like I had no idea. Also now I'm sad.... I hope they Buff the Sirrico on the 27th like atleast make it B or A tier

[subtle crown]

We shall see.

[spring yew]

Wait

im dumb i just realize theres a skin for the amps......

[subtle crown]

Well, for operator there is.

[spring yew]

Drifter there is to

[subtle crown]

All amps on the drifter look like the sirocco. Operator has a skin to make amps also look like the sirocco.

[zenith jacinth]

You also had a melee during the quest... but who else didn't even notice it?

[spring yew]

Oh

I used it like 5 times. also now i dont care if the Sirroco is good or bad

[subtle crown]

There was like 2 enemies early on you could use the rumblejack on. It's a one hit kill but after that you're trying to do stealth amongst swarms of enemies.

[spring yew]

So basically im just gonna always use the Drifter

[zenith jacinth]

Rumblejack's unique stealth animation is nice, but the stats are... ew.

[spring yew]

Oh you mean with Kahl?

[subtle crown]

Honestly, I would love it if operator/drifter could equip single daggers.

[spring yew]

True

And a Bow

[subtle crown]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Rumblejack?so=search That is the melee weapon drifter has during act 2 of the quest.

[zenith jacinth]

The fact that drifter struggles to even swing rumblejack. Why.

[spring yew]

Oh

Im dumb... Again.... I used it a lot actually

[subtle crown]

Drifter is not a master swordsman.

He uses guns and gadgets. the dagger built out of literal scrap lying around is utilitarian.

[spring yew]

now... Whos stronger

[supple dagger]

ngl i wish drifter would have kept their whole kit or something resembling it and making operator/drifter have diff uses

[spring yew]

Same

I loved the scan and the smoke bomb

oh and the heal

[subtle crown]

Honestly, in my ideal world both operator and drifter have void cloak and void dash/sling but operator gets more potent void powers, drifter gets less potent but since they're gadgets they're ranged.

[supple dagger]

was pretty cool to play bosses and time your skills

[spring yew]

Teshin was a struggle because it changed my keys

[subtle crown]

Nothing quite like forced melee and a ton of aerial enemies.

[spring yew]

True

[slim anvil]

bossfights with drifter were surprisingly dynamic imo
jump + nataruk + jump + nataruk

[subtle crown]

Stand around doing nothing waiting for them to land. Or jump around swinging like an idiot hitting nothing,

[spring yew]

Took me a bit to realized the color they glowed indicated what damaged them

[zenith jacinth]

I've been accidentally training for that since I started playing. Could never be bothered to aim.

[slim anvil]

also
not being able to bullet jump or just immune half of the attacks in the game also made some of the generally kinda normal tiles play really really differently

[spring yew]

Yea... Well for Kahl it was easy because... Your Kahl

Plus you got the Corinth Prime at the end

[zenith jacinth]

Kahl sneak good

[spring yew]

HA HA HA

[slim anvil]

Kahl OP
probably my favorite TNW segment

[spring yew]

Hes fearless and wants to help his brothers

[slim anvil]

gigachad

[supple dagger]

the inflatable walls were probably more useful for him than for all those grineer we've slayed

[spring yew]

Vay Hek respected that man

Yea true

Vay Hek: Dont do it you will be eaten alive.

Kahl: Explosives then.

[supple dagger]

ngl i'd play a battlefield kinda game between corpus and grineer if those were their gameplays

[spring yew]

Same

I feel though Grineer would be op

Specially if Kahl is there

[zenith jacinth]

Dude ate the only anti-sentient mod in existence and it activated during that segment

[supple dagger]

corpus could outnumber with robotics

[spring yew]

But Kahl is Kahl

[subtle crown]

Given DE history with unreal tournament and the sheer amount of hype for act 1 it would not surprise me if something like that was at least talked about internally.

[slim anvil]

remember that the corpus dude we were playing as wasnt a battle dude, he was a tech guy

[zenith jacinth]

With a plinx

[spring yew]

Yea he was brave asf

[supple dagger]

that too, was just an engineer

[slim anvil]

corpus guy wielding a convectrix or an arca plasmor could be pretty solidly fun

[spring yew]

With a Plinx ha ha ha...

[supple dagger]

also while grineer have kahl

[spring yew]

Im sad he died

[zenith jacinth]

It's funny that even veko himself was disappointed about only having a plinx

[supple dagger]

corpus has
John Prodman

[spring yew]

Ha ha ha

[zenith jacinth]

I have yet to encounter john

[slim anvil]

i cant stomach the hour of index required for john

[subtle crown]

The joys of a guy from the engineering department having to take up arms.

[spring yew]

We have to have a Kahl Emote

[zenith jacinth]

Same

[slim anvil]

[supple dagger]

he soloed a phorid by melee while veso had to use tools

and kahl uses a prime shotgun

[spring yew]

At the end he did

Before that he used the trust Gataka

[slim anvil]

was the sheev available in that segment

[spring yew]

Clem and Kahl the most overpowered Grineer

[zenith jacinth]

If he survived he probably would've returned it. He seemed to be that honorable

[slim anvil]

i know the prova worked for veso

[supple dagger]

planting big bomb on corpus base could be a cool game goal for grineer

[zenith jacinth]

Machete

[spring yew]

They should add heroes like with battle front 2 new edition

[slim anvil]

ah

[spring yew]

Kahl being a Grineer Hero

The Giga Chad

[slim anvil]

rathuum executioners vs. index brokers

[spring yew]

John Prodman vs Kahl

[zenith jacinth]

Not even kahl could beat john

[spring yew]

A battle between Kahl and John Prodman would last hours. They would tremble any battlefield with their Chadness

[supple dagger]

depends on range

melee range john wins

long range kahl could outgun him

[spring yew]

Well if Kahl had the Corinth Prime His melee would be better

[supple dagger]

we still dunno what skills would john have though

[spring yew]

His 1: Fear Enemies with Utter Chadness for 10 seconds

I know most people will think shes a horrible fashion but i like it. With my Boi Umbra.

[supple dagger]

also probably john is gonna have very big hp pool combined with shield ospreys that could absorb a lot of damage

[spring yew]

True

[supple dagger]

shieldgating for days

[zenith jacinth]

Why does the protovyre emphemera have that weird face bubble thing

[spring yew]

Covid

SO before i got le stabbed by Ballas i was screaming this. Umbra UMBRA WHAT ARE YOU DOING! Use your Sentience to save me from my mistakes!

[subtle crown]

I really hope operator/drifter gain the ability to equip single daggers. Would finally give me a reason to build one for stealth attacks instead of the hammers.

[supple dagger]

tbh sounds like the most easy to maneuver melee weapon for them without killing their mobility

[subtle crown]

I'm thinking more "the weapons they might be able to equip should make sense"

[supple dagger]

probs handguns, standard rifles and bows then

[subtle crown]

Seeing a human run around with a bramma doesn't make sense. Seeing them with a karak? Fits right in.

No AoE and nothing oversized. Would get people interested in more weapons they wouldn't have considered before.

[supple dagger]

probably also nothing crazy with fire rate

pretty sure op wouldn't handle the recoil from a grakata

[subtle crown]

Would depend on the weapon. Some assault rifles rely on high fire rate.

[supple dagger]

or maybe if you wanna keep it realistic give them more recoil since they wouldn't have as much strength to handle them

[subtle crown]

Yeah.

I would love a sniper rifle for my drifter but given the sheer size of most of them it's unlikely.

[supple dagger]

maybe if they could use like a bipod or something

but that'd be too risky for the kind of game this is

[subtle crown]

The joys of "things I want but it would look super weird"

Ahh well. The lex prime is basically a pocket sniper rifle.

[runic cloak]

I just want to infect my op and make a personalized Warframe

[subtle crown]

Intense body horror aside, at least operator/drifter are immune to the infestation so that cannot happen.

[past kiln]

Trumna would be unusable on the child 😔

[subtle crown]

There has to be at least some limit. Otherwise they're just a 4th weapon slot.

[spring yew]

I want to fish with my operator and mine. and do a lot of things as well

I want a Kahl Sigil

[spring yew]

So Looking back on what you said Kholdster the struggling to kill level 20 enemies is kinda laughable. I used it on a Kuva flood and had no problems killing regular enemies with it.

for the Sirroco

[subtle crown]

Was that the sirocco or an actual amp with the sirocco skin?

[spring yew]

the actual Sirocco

cmon really

Now that being said it did nothing to Kuva Guardians for some reason

[subtle crown]

In my defence you did discover the skin less than 24 hours ago.

[spring yew]

I just finished the quest less than 24 hours ago

[subtle crown]

And I did a bunch of testing with the weapon in chat with other people here trying figure out how to make it useful.

[spring yew]

I was in a Kuva Flood Mission

didnt try it in steel path because i knew what the result would be

[subtle crown]

Everytime I would try to make it work I would very quickly go back to my 247/277/243.

Yeah, operator only steel path is a whole ordeal of setup that requires a couple hundred thousand points of vox solaris standing.

[spring yew]

Im not trying to say its the best. Hardly.

[subtle crown]

Then all that setup is being taken out back and shot with the angels update.

[spring yew]

Because of the void strike change?

[subtle crown]

Void blast getting deleted.

[spring yew]

Thats the melee right?

[subtle crown]

There is a bug with void blast and the X4X amp part. With each and every bounce of the glaive it would be like void blasting enemies. Then with arcanes you could get damage and make enemies take more damage.

[spring yew]

So a Steel Path Operator only is feasible because of a Bug

[subtle crown]

With no void blast, there is no void blast bug which means operator/drifter are limited to 100-120 non steel path for corpus and 50-65 grineer non steel path.

A similar bug that eidolon hunters use to proc void strike amp arcane with their void dash.

[spring yew]

So a bug is what makes this all good

Then it being deleted isnt much of a suprise

[subtle crown]

Well, the eidolon bug might still exist with void sling.

Since it still checks for collision.

But yeah, high end eidolons and operator only steel path relied on bugs/unintentional interactions. For regular content operators can still kill their way through, arcanes are a bigger boost than on weapons/frames.

[spring yew]

Fair

[subtle crown]

I really should finish farming magus melt. Post update the heat damage will help a bunch since my amp will go back to trojan/viral damage.

[spring yew]

Wait you can put status effects on amps?

[subtle crown]

In a way. There are certain arcanes that change the void damage into a different type.

Virtuos forge = heat
trojan = viral
spike = puncture
surge = electric
Then magus melt gives you stacking heat damage on void dashing that is additive to your existing amp damage and can combine with virtuos surge to give radiation damage.

[spring yew]

I am like so far behind

[subtle crown]

Don't worry! Most people don't even know those arcanes exist.

Amps are usually custom built exclusively for dealing with eidolons. those elemental arcanes are the literal worst as it lowers your damage against eidolon shields.

Lets take virtuos forge and an amp with 100 damage. Forge converts 98% of the void damage into heat damage. So your weapon is now 2 void damage and 98 heat damage.

The eidolon shields want as much void damage as possible.

Then thanks to some funky crit math with eidolon shields crit damage double dips so you want either virtuos shadow with the void dash bug or virtuos strike if you're not using it for more crit damage.

tl;dr dealing with enemies and dealing with eidolons are 2 separate things with the overlap "eidolon build technically works for normal enemies".

[cyan crest]

So the best thing is having 2 or more separate amps for different tasks
Sounds boring :p

I mean it's surely efficient, farming in general is what's boring

[subtle crown]

Lol, you don't use operator against normal enemies for efficiency. You use it because it's fun.

[spring yew]

Agreed

I was using my Drifter in a Kuva Flood mission for killing enemies because its cool

That and i uhh have a hard time dealing with the siphons... Cant seem to kill it.

I cant seem to see the clouds

[cyan crest]

I mean, yeah, I mean that it's better to have a separate Amp to deal with enemies than to deal with Eidolon, which sounds boring to make

[subtle crown]

Part of why I love Ivara and an animal companion. Activate her invis, go into operator/drifter and your pupper/kitty/abomination follows you instead of staying with the frame. then because they're invis they stay alive a LOT longer.

I go full on "doting parent" with my helminth pup. "Naww, whose a good boy. Whose the best at eating faces? You are 😄 ❤️ "

[cyan crest]

Little helminth abomination is always best boy

[subtle crown]

Also a big help in killing particularly tanky enemies.

[cyan crest]

I wish I still had my nidus to pair them

[subtle crown]

Hooray for being an old player and knowing the corrosive/cold old meta.

[cyan crest]

I can't say that much for mine, he can't stay alive for long enough :')

[subtle crown]

Ivara.

[cyan crest]

I should create her, yes

Helios does a good job at staying alive tho, and he also scans, so he is my go to option for now

[subtle crown]

Activate her 3 at the start of a mission then go into operator/drifter and leave her there. Abomination basically stays invis except for splash damage.

Yeah, part of the reason I love Oxylus now. I've scanned most things so bringing Oxy along if I'm on a tileset with plants for him to scan it's like "score".

But I will need to dust off Helios ready for angels.

[cyan crest]

Actually I should also take my time to actually build my stuff and not just splash big number mods that aren't efficient at all

Not sure where I got the idea that mixing every elemental damage mod into a single weapon was good

[subtle crown]

Lol.

With any luck I'll finally get a somewhat decent roll on my verglas riven.

[cyan crest]

It made the damage number big so it pleased my monkey brain

[subtle crown]

Ngl, I kind of already miss when "number big" was as hard as it got.

I'm just glad the bane mods are overkill for the vast majority of people.

[zenith jacinth]

Lonke

[cyan crest]

thanks

[subtle crown]

Also, I don’t recall. Did the devs mention that the Kuva enemies were placeholders? Or are the grineer straight up dropping any and all pretence about caring for their soldiers and tech.

On stream that is.

[kindred briar]

they said that the fact all the Grineer were Kuva would be important during the quest

[subtle crown]

Now that is highly curious.

Especially given how void and Kuva aren’t friends.

[cyan crest]

So perhaps the queen is personally leading the zariman expeditions? Not actually in person but like, sending them there herself

[kindred briar]

well I can guarantee we'll get answers on the 28th

[subtle crown]

Flashbacks to our previous heaven/hell conversation.

[cyan crest]

Are the corpus also sending troops there?

[subtle crown]

I would hope not.

[zenith jacinth]

I think corpus and grineer are both gonna occupy the nodes iirc

[kindred briar]

ther Corpus have a foothold in the Zariman, DE have said that the enemy type rotates over time

so the missions will all have Grineer, then after a few hours it will swap to all Corpus

[zenith jacinth]

This is what I meant to say

[kindred briar]

seems like they're going for if the invasions system was on a set timer with regards to node capture, or a day-night cycle with the open worlds

[simple python]

Only thing they have definitely not shown is Gyre's agile animation...

[hard nacelle]

Does anyone in here think that the choice we made at the end of the new war quest is gonna have some kind of effect later on? There are some who believe in alignments, but I don't, if I knew it excisted, I would maybe take it into account but now, I just choose random things in all quests... So don't know if this will give effect as well...

[karmic belfry]

Even if it did you probably are gonna get a chance to fix ur alignment before anything major

A lot of people were unhappy with the fact that choosing between lotus natah and margulis changed alignment

[turbid pier]

Especially cause the margulis skin.. you know.. uh..

[karmic belfry]

Chonky

[hard nacelle]

Well lorewise Natah was the correct one for hunhow but... At the end she didn't knew what she was and who she was. On the other hand if you recall, Margulis is all about healing, natah is all about power and Lotus is in between. SoI did choose Margulis and I'm actually quiet happy with the choice but now I'm affraid of an angry Hunhow, haha... Still find it weird and wrong that DE decided to let us choose. It should've been 1 choice and that's it.

[cyan crest]

You don't believe in alignments? Even when the meter is right there?

[cyan crest]

I don't think so, it is her choosing who she is gonna be, so it makes sense they let us choose because different players see who she's gonna be in different ways

[hard nacelle]

Yep, I'm pretty sure that I choose differently with the war within and other quests so, in order for alignments to work, DE would actually need to force you to choose that option. And... If you want to change it, you would have to replay every quest to adjust your alignment...

[rancid canyon]

Are her lines changed with that?

[karmic belfry]

I think her voice changes

And nothing else

[hard nacelle]

Correct, they should've added more tweaks with the Natah voice but yea...

[cyan crest]

I agree that they could have made it better by having the choice not be related to alignment at all, but forcing the choice into the players would be bad

[rancid canyon]

Would be cool if her Lines changed too. Like Margulis would sound a bit mote merciful, and Natah would be more ruthless and cold

[kindred briar]

DE have said they don't want people's choices to lock them off from content, so no I don't think it will have a major impact story-wise

[cyan crest]

So far only Wallman and Helminth know about alignment

[late spoke]

I want facial hair

[cyan crest]

In time

[rancid canyon]

For the Driftoor

[kindred briar]

facial hair coming soon™️

[late spoke]

And my dax armor for drifter

[cyan crest]

In time, too actually

[kindred briar]

also coming soon™️

[rancid canyon]

Duviri Paradox anyone?

[late spoke]

To angels of zariman

[kindred briar]

later™️

[late spoke]

Angels of Zariman

[cyan crest]

Angels first, duviri later

[late spoke]

No its in zariman

[kindred briar]

horse prime soon™️

[kindred briar]

we don't know that yet

[hard nacelle]

Good point at the end. Maybe they could've solved this by making the choice of alignment a bit more clearer then the other choices. Maybe by highlighting the choice of alignment.

[cyan crest]

Duviri isnt the same as AoZ, so no
Mainly cause Duviri is an open world and AoZ isnt

[late spoke]

Angrls of the zariman explains what happens in the time we spent after being sucked into a void hole on the mothership possibly

[rancid canyon]

And how the Big Sibling™ got there

[cyan crest]

and duviri paradox, the actual duviri paradox update, will come later

[karmic belfry]

Wait a minute why cant the operator use drifters gadgets

[cyan crest]

The drifter can't use them either now

[karmic belfry]

Yeah but why

I feel like having access to them would be pretty fun in the main game

[hard nacelle]

By the way the OST at the beginning of the stream was nice! I like it how they made the sounds dark...

[late spoke]

You realize a railjack missikn could be in angels of zariman were we get sucked into duviri plains right.

[cyan crest]

Cause operator powers are technically more op so why use them

[karmic belfry]

That is true but at least the radar

[rancid canyon]

But the Smoke Bomb

[late spoke]

I want to use the swords as operators

[karmic belfry]

Smoke bomb = real space ninja

[cyan crest]

And no one would notice that the update that's supposed to give you a small planet /node thing is as big as the ones that give you open worlds? Because I mean, people would notice something is wrong there

Duviri is gonna be too big to be released so soon

[karmic belfry]

They should add a song with AoZ or Duviri

[late spoke]

They didnt release full footage mate so who knows i m8ght be wrong or right same with you, you might be right or wrong

[karmic belfry]

Like when fortuna came out or the sevagoth quest

[kindred briar]

knowing DE, there's absolutely going to be a fire soundtrack to go with AoZ

[rancid canyon]

Damn, they make Amazinf Songs

[late spoke]

Yes

[cyan crest]

Open worlds take time, specially if it's one with lore implications as big as duviri
Don't get your hopes too high is all I'm saying

[late spoke]

I know

[late spoke]

I honestly hope your right and wrong

[zenith jacinth]

Sadly seemingly no corpus focus at any point, so most likely no banger with lyrics

[karmic belfry]

Wait is duviri gonna be filled with sentients

[zenith jacinth]

No

The opposite

[cyan crest]

It's in the void so it's physically impossible for that to happen

[karmic belfry]

O h

[kindred briar]

AoZ will have Corpus & Grineer, so we'll probably have a soundtrack fitting the new faction they're adding (probably Tenno themed)

[zenith jacinth]

(How come all the songs with lyrics come from corpus/corpus-related factions anyways?)

[karmic belfry]

Sentient song when

[kindred briar]

does narmer not count?

[cyan crest]

With grofit there must come good musical tastes

[karmic belfry]

Eh

[zenith jacinth]

Oh wait ye, tenno music good too if it's in the style of to take its pain away and... the other one. That I forgor.

[karmic belfry]

Narmer is like a mix of everything imo

Or orokin

[zenith jacinth]

Narmer is solaris

[cyan crest]

Smiles from Juran and This is what you are is pretty pretty good music

[karmic belfry]

Did they make the song though or was it programmed into them

[zenith jacinth]

Yes, yes, this is what you are is the one I forgor

[kindred briar]

the Solaris chant For Narmer was the same as We All Lift but twisted

[zenith jacinth]

Well, it distinctly references we all lift together multiple times, and it fits into that song almost perfectly too

[karmic belfry]

I think Narmer is just anyone who put on the mask, not just Solaris

I dont see any grineer in solaris yet there are Narmer grineer troops

[cyan crest]

Yes, everyone who puts the veils is Narmer, Hunter refered to the song

[kindred briar]

^^^

[zenith jacinth]

Did the grineer sing for narmer though?

[karmic belfry]

Well that implies that For Narmer is a corpus song

Not a sentient song

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

That's what I said

[karmic belfry]

Oh

Then we both agree lol

[zenith jacinth]

This activated a meme in my head

My mind is so full of memes that 2 random words in the right order make my brain just filter out the specific meme the words make me think of

[karmic belfry]

What meme did you think of

[zenith jacinth]

Senator armstrong

[karmic belfry]

Oh lol

[karmic belfry]

Oh no now im thinking like that too

[hard nacelle]

New type of enemy then?

[past kiln]

Narmer soundtrack >>>

[zenith jacinth]

"When our guard is down I think we'll both agree"

[cyan crest]

Void Angel, they've been teased in the Sirocco's evolution requirements

[karmic belfry]

Maybe it might have something to do with the man in the wall being able to interact across dimensions

[zenith jacinth]

Big MITW was only able to appear to the lotus due to the big void portal

[rancid canyon]

Void Enemies, like sentient, not a Full on faction

[hard nacelle]

I see

[karmic belfry]

What if they made duviri a place you cant always go

[hard nacelle]

I wonder if their weakness would also be voiddamage like sentients, either that or could be a new type of damage

[craggy drum]

I’m pretty sure Op/drifter saw it too considering how scared they look.

[cyan crest]

Kuva damage would be cool, aaaand also make sense

[karmic belfry]

Like it appears once a week for two days and you would be able to do a special once per day bounty there for like 3 days in order to establish a permanent node

[craggy drum]

Plus our doppelgänger was on top of it

[karmic belfry]

That would be cool imo

[zenith jacinth]

To me it looked like op/drifter didn't see it

[past kiln]

wonder why the fact the grineer are the kuva fortress ones is important

[karmic belfry]

Queens probably are like omg void land fresh tenno?

[zenith jacinth]

What

[cyan crest]

Kuva doesn't get along with Void
Perhaps kuva infantry is specially good in void terrain

[past kiln]

devs stated that the grineer on the zariman being kuva grineer was for a reason iirc

[zenith jacinth]

Huh

[hard nacelle]

I wonder if we would ever need weapons like the war or that kuva weapon you got from the queens since you need the paracesis in TNW

[cyan crest]

You don't need to have built it tho, it automatically gives it to you
But yeah it would be cool

[past kiln]

lol too bad i sold the mind control stick

[cyan crest]

They could autoequip it for you like the paracesis

[past kiln]

true

[late spoke]

Is this angels of zariman what we did during us getting sucked thriugh void hole on sentient mothershio?

It would make sense

I wanna meet the wolf again and kill him

[cyan crest]

It's probably after new war, us reclaiming our ship, the zariman

[haughty yacht]

who is this and is he playable

[leaden leaf]

That's the drifter, bunch of timey wimey stuff, alternate reality n such.
It's us if we didn't take the man in the walls deal for power and stayed stuck in the Zariman ship

[craggy drum]

Play the New War

[haughty yacht]

Thank you, a direct answer, everyone is so afraid to answer even in spoiler chat

[gray scarab]

Because of the New War spoiler policy and I have no idea just how far it extends.

[leaden leaf]

If ya wanna be spoiled, this is the place to do it

[real niche]

No you asked in #players-helping-players

[cyan crest]

It extends to here, the things that are not allowed are angels and post war things
I thought this was the lore channel, never mind this

[haughty yacht]

didnt know it was a spoiler, told you to answer me here and u were too afraid to say anything lol

[gray scarab]

You mean you didn't know about the New War spoiler policy?

[wicked iron]

Angels and post-New War can be discussed here. 🙂 Not in #lore-discussion , though.

[real niche]

The answer was "play the New War to find out" because of the spoiler policy.

[wicked iron]

Not YET, anyway.

[haughty yacht]

Thank you

[gray scarab]

Well, if a moderator says it, it must be true.

[wicked iron]

Check the pinned message. 😄

[cyan crest]

The pinned message also says it
Also the channel description

[gray scarab]

Well, it's official. I am blind.

[rugged spruce]

No one reads pins anyway

[arctic shuttle]

That's a spoiler

[kindred briar]

this is spoiler chat

[sharp spoke]

Spoiler, that guy they circled is John L. Zariman, inventor of the Zariman

[zenith jacinth]

What does the L. stand for?

[haughty yacht]

yeah thats why i sent it on spoiler chat lol

[cyan crest]

No dude, it's Mary Void, inventor of the Void

She invented it to sell more psychologists

[torpid lantern]

Hi guys, let's talk about something else please.
Like Void spiders O.o

That's what I'm calling the angel at the end of the newest AoZ trailer

[past kiln]

wasn't she backed by Nef so he could sell more stuff

[past kiln]

"void spiders" 😳

[torpid lantern]

It was a scary spider looking thing so I instantly noped out xD

[kindred briar]

could be the winged thing in the background of the poster, which they did say was a soft spoiler image

[torpid lantern]

But it scuttled >~<

[kindred briar]

have you seen bats walk?

[sharp spoke]

Lemons

[zenith jacinth]

Oh

[simple python]

Johnson Lemon Zariman

I think... that's the next joke. For next devstream; Johnson Lemon Zariman.

[sharp spoke]

If my dumb "John X. Y, inventor of the Y" joke made it anywhere near DE's attention, I could die happy

[simple python]

I mean... John Prodman made it in. Why not Johnson Lemon Zariman?

[wicked iron]

Let's please discuss actual lore topics. 😄

[opal rapids]

Can you never use this phrase again

[simple python]

We've already faced the Orb Mother and Exploiter Orb though. They're giant crab spiders.

[opal rapids]

I don't like to talk about that

They also don't set of my spider senses so much as my mite senses so like it's okay somehow to my near phobia

[simple python]

But you have heard of them, yes? I'll move that away for now. Uh... what did they mean by void spider anyway? Timestamp on the devstream perchance?

[supple dagger]

right before the trailer ends, there's something
possibly a boss

[opal rapids]

Idk raknoids and their ilk just don't give me spider vibes for monkey brain phobia 🤷

[simple python]

Probably right on the boss part... looks more like an infested beast though. It moves too haphazardly for a spider.

[opal rapids]

I should really watch the trailer

[zenith jacinth]

Play subnautica

[simple python]

The infested move like that. All jutty and stuff

[simple python]

https://youtu.be/A93jNmYGscM

This one, I believe

[fleet veldt]

That Void-golem at the very end evokes the appearances of Mag, but also of Chroma because of the 'wings'.

It just hasn't learnt flight yet. It's only crawling because it just 'woke up' or is untangling itself from Void formations.

[opal rapids]

Okay yeah no that's spider vibes

🥲

[simple python]

Especially those infested chargers. They wind up so much and charge at you in missions so pitifully. (pitiful in the sense that they deal little dmg)

[opal rapids]

@torpid lantern I owe you an apology for the earlier ping that's a void spider

[zenith jacinth]

5 hours of wind up

4 damage to overshields

[simple python]

It has roughly 4-6 limbs with 4-5 vestiges on its dorsal area.

[supple dagger]

i just hope it gives more fight than the necramechs

[fleet veldt]

Would like to see Necramech incursions and our own Necramechs being usable in the Z10-0 though, as its this weird midstate between a Landscape and a closed interior.

[torpid lantern]

[zenith jacinth]

Who needs a mech if you could have the almighty lavos?

[opal rapids]

Do not attempt reasoning with phobia brain

[simple python]

Probably fights more like the Jackal imo. Something that wide.

[opal rapids]

I'm sorry 🥲 🫂

If it moves like a brachiolyst I'm deleting the update

[simple python]

Depending on how you fare with the new Jackal boss... idk.

[supple dagger]

it kinda reminds me to this

it kinda has wings

[simple python]

Brachiolysts are too fast tho.

[zenith jacinth]

The monkey paw closes one finger
All enemies except that one and brachiolysts now move like brachiolysts

[opal rapids]

Don't you make literary references at me

Also "moves like brachiolyst" cold be worse, but they scuttle so I used it for shorthand (so sue me)

[zenith jacinth]

I'm just a very concerned looking captain jack sparrow, I didn't do anything

[simple python]

Okay, does the staff mind if I post screencaps from the trailer video?

I got caps of the actual thing.

[opal rapids]

🥲

[supple dagger]

it is kinda the channel to discuss this

but yeah my best bet is a winged spider

[opal rapids]

Yeah this is the place and it will at least displace the wolf spider with wings

[simple python]

I'll mark them as spoilers. One underside, one frontal, and one of the actual perch it was on.

Or... discord mobile continues to undermine my efforts as it Always does. Those are supposed to be spoilered

[opal rapids]

On mobile you gotta name them SPOILER_

[supple dagger]

yeah it's a real pain on mobile

[zenith jacinth]

Or just... tap on the image and turn on the spoiler mark.

[simple python]

I did.

[zenith jacinth]

Hm.

[simple python]

Discord bugs aside for now!
The perch can be used to cross reference the approx position of the beast.

This was also in 1080p60f

[torpid lantern]

It don't matter because this channel doesn't require spoilers

[simple python]

It looks like 4 legs and 2 mandibles.

[torpid lantern]

But see? Scary spider thing

[opal rapids]

maybe it's just a creepy juggernaut

Void juggernaut?

Juggernauts have funky anatomy that doesn't upset me in person

[zenith jacinth]

I can't really see any details

[simple python]

And a giant visible vein running down its center. Probably a weak spot.

[opal rapids]

here's hoping for a void juggernaut

[zenith jacinth]

Or anything, really

[simple python]

ik. Youtube hates me.

I force it to use 1080p60f and it ignores me.

[supple dagger]

forcing it to 4k doesn't show much either because of the light level

[torpid lantern]

What's interesting is the quality was 1000x times better during the devstream. I've rewatched this a few times on YT and Twitter and it's just impossible to see

[simple python]

Do we gotta replay this on twitch to get caps?

[cyan crest]

All I know about that thing is that if it jumps and moves very fast then I can't do anything to it
A quadruped doing that is just too

[simple python]

It is a quadroped tho.

[cyan crest]

Oh no

[simple python]

With Mandibles! And maybe a bug booty. I can't tell for sure but the vestiges on the top are undeniable.

[zenith jacinth]

All I know about that thing is that if it jumps and moves very fast then I can't do anything to it

[supple dagger]

it looks like it but the translucent things it has looks like either tentacles or wings ish

[torpid lantern]

All I know about that thing is that... I can't do anything to it

[cyan crest]

All I know is that I can't do anything

[zenith jacinth]

The only thing I know for real- wait, wrong game.

[torpid lantern]

All I know is that I can't.

[cyan crest]

All know is can't

[fleet veldt]

Can't.

[zenith jacinth]

Ant

[opal rapids]

so it does seem to have 6 appendages. the underbelly really do make me think void jugger

[cyan crest]

Alright, yeah, we figured it out, that thing is an ant

[torpid lantern]

I wish it was an ant

[zenith jacinth]

By process of elimination, it must be ant

[supple dagger]

that thing probably has 360 movement

[torpid lantern]

what if it's a person though?

[zenith jacinth]

And ants must be eliminated

[opal rapids]

it is certainly flexible.

[torpid lantern]

[cyan crest]

You mean it was?

[fleet veldt]

Chant.

Anyway, in-before we Transference with it and discover a confused Zariman adult in it panicking about things being in disarray and why they're in a warframe while making some wallbreaking references.

It's bipedal, it just can crawl well because it's a Void-golem vaguely imitating a Warframe outline. A number of these 'statues' can be seen with vivid Warframe design allusions on them, like Mag and Wisp.

[zenith jacinth]

My pfp could probably do a funny staring contest with that emoji if both were looking the right way

[supple dagger]

caliban probably forgot to feed it

[fleet veldt]

It's a hunk of Void metal(?) driven by incomprehensible living thought(?).

[cyan crest]

I've seen a lot of images of the void statues and the only one I can vaguely say resembles a warframe a was one with a weird head that looked like Ember

[fleet veldt]

Reasonable. Point is, all of these Void bipeds are Warframe-shaped.

This means we could Transference into them. They have arms and legs, but were first seen adjusting from a cartwheeling/upside-down posture.

[torpid lantern]

I was just thinking yours has been the perfect response to this entire convo xD

[simple python]

Maybe it's an... Alate ant? A winged ant that usually has those wings to fly to a mate.

[torpid lantern]

oh! I've seen those!

But despite it moving like a creepy spider, I still think it's the parents or however many were left

[fleet veldt]

Actually, ever considered if that Void golem thing was actually just sorting itself out from a cartwheeling posture?

[torpid lantern]

This is the drifter's Zariman and they didn't have void powers so really they had a lot less options to fight against so many adults. I'm sure quite a few survived

[supple dagger]

another thing is that it can be seen flexing to jump so i think it's not an ant

[opal rapids]

clip of just the creepy void spider void jugger

[zenith jacinth]

I looked up "captain jack sparrow" on google images to find a new pfp, and this one was just incredibly out of place among many cool-looking images of him, so of course I have to use it

[fleet veldt]

Maybe they had different unlock requirements? Like 'meet the Operator'.

[zenith jacinth]

Oh yeah no that is definitely a spider

[opal rapids]

shhhfhsdfshdk

[fleet veldt]

Definitely climbing down from an upside-down mid-cartwheeling posture. It's humanoid, with wing limbs.

[opal rapids]

we're pretending it's a void jugger

[torpid lantern]

Oh

[opal rapids]

it's definitely flexing like crazy but

[fleet veldt]

Warframes flex like crazy too.

[opal rapids]

it seems to have 3 sets of limbs

[supple dagger]

da winged spider

[fleet veldt]

Voidframe.

[zenith jacinth]

I don't like this thing

[simple python]

Definitely some kinda infested shiz

[opal rapids]

so like, I see 2 leg limbs and 2 squirrelys like the jugger.

[zenith jacinth]

I gotta mod my ignis wraith.
Meta-style.

[simple python]

CRAB?! 🦀

Is it? Vaguely crab like.

[supple dagger]

the upper two don't move while moving

[torpid lantern]

You know who this reminds me of?

[supple dagger]

so i'm thinking on wings

[torpid lantern]

Watching it again, at the end I distinctly saw a human figure

[supple dagger]

who?

[simple python]

Mother

[opal rapids]

I mean, maybe wings on the butt, but they're behind the middle limbs.

[thick jolt]

DE has done butt wings twice already so a third time wouldnt be completely out there

[torpid lantern]

Kerrigan

[urban saddle]

That is an absolute need in game right now

[torpid lantern]

what if it's a person with wings? that are boney like this

[zenith jacinth]

Nobody except me even gonna point out the fact that I zoomed in on the concerned jack sparrow even more to show my genuine fear?

[simple python]

Yes

[supple dagger]

ain't that scary

[zenith jacinth]

Actually, how far can I zoom in on this image...

[simple python]

Hey you know that one like weird infested syandana we have?

[opal rapids]

so the blue limbs are raised, the green limbs are set, and the purple squiggles are behind the green limbs.

[zenith jacinth]

Ah. I see.

[simple python]

Not the Thorac syandana... the other one. The uh... the lava colored one that is squiggled up.

[opal rapids]

this just feels like a juggernaut went to yoga and also the void.

[zenith jacinth]

Or a disgusting void arachnid

[opal rapids]

the glowing belly and swirlies really has me feeling void jugger.

[torpid lantern]

Oh my gosh it's a person!!!

[simple python]

This one. That on that thing's back

[zenith jacinth]

That must be...
VANQUISHED!!

[torpid lantern]

I just watched it in slowmo. You can see their hands and feet.

let me doodle real quick

[simple python]

It definitely has four limbs. And they work like a Headcrab. totally a headcrab from half Life 2.

[opal rapids]

the black spider headcrabs scare the crap out of me okay you're not helping

[simple python]

I won't explain them but essentially, they have 4 limbs and two mandibles.

[opal rapids]

normal headcrabs have mite vibes but on crack. the toxic headcrabs... those scuttle.

[zenith jacinth]

Burn the void arachnids

Kill every last one of them!

[opal rapids]

with our luck they are immune to fire

[simple python]

Seriously though what would transform in the void to make that though?

Something that looks clearly large enough to be a Jackal boss at least.

[zenith jacinth]

Then I'll make them bleed.

[simple python]

Nothing can really stop viral meta unless its story boss.

[zenith jacinth]

It moves too organically to be a robot

[opal rapids]

disregard that my fox decided to help me by randomly killing them.

[simple python]

Doesn't look like it has the head of the juggernauts though.

[opal rapids]

void

[zenith jacinth]

Nothing can stop my 146% status chance nikana zaw

[simple python]

Or the body. Too spindly for the chunky bois.

Those bois are chunky.

[zenith jacinth]

(I like being excessive okay)

[opal rapids]

I mean, the infested add infestation mass to everything. I feel that between the void twisting it that I'm not in the wrong here.

[simple python]

I forgot to put the rice on for dinner ![IvaraCry](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/811324580487495792.webp?size=128 "IvaraCry")

[opal rapids]

do we know what juggers used to be?

[zenith jacinth]

But wait... the infestation is afraid of the void, is it not?

[simple python]

No you're thinkin sentients

[zenith jacinth]

No, sentients are killed by it

I remember people saying that the infested are afraid of the void

[craggy drum]

Helminth speaking about the Void Gremlin

[zenith jacinth]

Seems like helminth doesn't like either us or the void

[torpid lantern]

Here!

Dropping down.

Leaving

This is what I saw in slowmo
Legs are green. Orange wing thingy. And purple arms and body

[opal rapids]

your supposed head on the second one is I think its butt.

wait i'm sorry are you saying we're seeing their back this whole time

[fleet veldt]

Yes. It starts in a cartweeling pose with the glow/face facing us, then is obscured as it reorients and leaps off.

[torpid lantern]

It comes down facing us

Then flips over, turn around and leaves

[zenith jacinth]

Is it a cool backflip?

[opal rapids]

okay, looking at it in 50% speed, I hate to say that I might agree with you.

[torpid lantern]

With those weird tendril things, yeah

[supple dagger]

i remember seeing on stream they have like a flamethrower on the operator, maybe that could work

[torpid lantern]

That's why I said it reminds me of Kerrigan. Like a mutated person with weird wings

[opal rapids]

I definitely grok the legs, scrubbing back and forth. I need to see if we can get a look at the hands.

[zenith jacinth]

That's just an amp

[torpid lantern]

I wish I was better at drawing xD

[opal rapids]

so if this isn't a spider, and it isn't a jugger, this critter has like, stag horn beetle crab claw hands.

[torpid lantern]

definitely crab hands

[supple dagger]

ah yes, it jumps at you and grabs you

[opal rapids]

so this is one hand (mint) and arm (green) roughly

[zenith jacinth]

I really don't like this thing

[torpid lantern]

It's entire face and front of its body is indentical to the thing behind the drifter here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804040882780241941/962068533125214278/AotZ_Keyart_4K_16x9.png

You can see it glowing if you watch

[opal rapids]

here's a 25% speed (god the sound just gets worse) version

[torpid lantern]

mute it xD

[zenith jacinth]

Oh by the void there was sound

My phone was on silent

[opal rapids]

it brings I guess left arm down first, then you see right arm to the bottom right, then the legs come down and we're looking at its back and it just YEETS running man style off the perch

also uhhhhh DE don't sue me this is just downloaded from YouTube and clipped. I"m obviously not making money

[torpid lantern]

yep! and if you think of the glowing middle as its body, chest and its head (like in the promo art) it's impossible not to see it

[opal rapids]

so if we're the void demons, and these are the void angels... biblically accurate angels meme intensifies

[zenith jacinth]

But that really looks like one of those weird statue thingies

[torpid lantern]

hahahahaha nervous laughing

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm...

[opal rapids]

(I didn't keep up with the later seasons but I think they got Even weirder from the last time I watched)

[zenith jacinth]

Is that from what I think it's from...?

[opal rapids]

the angels have the phone booth.

anyway, I would have been much happier with void jugger but now we have void crab angel instead. yaaaay

[zenith jacinth]

I never watched even a single episode of that. How did this seem familiar to me.

[opal rapids]

tumblr + superwholock era?

[zenith jacinth]

Absolutely not

[opal rapids]

anyway, happy void crabangels!

[zenith jacinth]

I hope these things aren't like weeping angels

That concept scares me

One of few things that scare me by simply thinking about it

[vagrant sorrel]

I was fully convinced that was what they were gonna go for when I first reached the Zariman segment in New War's third act - At least some of these formations moving just as I'm not looking.

Kinda curious how they're gonna do the 'Angels' now, both narratively and mechanically (I do hope they end up as more of a threat than the centurions seem to be)
There's a lot of really eerie visual storytelling on the Zariman and I'm curious to see how it fits together in the grand scheme of things

[zenith jacinth]

I don't like inanimate objects moving when they shouldn't

[obtuse rune]

Don't play Prop Hunt then.
The angels are going to be an unmediated threat. Able to camouflage with the surrounding and traverse ceilings and vertical landscapes. Still, if this is the ship the Drifter came from, they're obviously not that lethal or he wouldn't have made it to adulthood, let alone another reality.

[vagrant sorrel]

Thing is: We do not know what stirred them into action now. During New War they're static. And they're clearly not on all parts of the ship as shown with the Dormizone.
We know too little about the Drifter-Version of events unfolding on the Zariman to get an accurate estimate of threats in the void yet.
We don't even know if Drifter ever faced something like this to begin with (Though they did manage exceptionally well against the Archons - Our character is just built different)

[zenith jacinth]

Or the drifter just adapted very efficiently

[zenith jacinth]

Well, our zariman returned without a scratch... drifter's didn't.

[vagrant sorrel]

That does not confirm that Drifter already had encounters with the angels though. It's likely, but we literally have no idea. We don't even know what the Angels are at this point (The theory of it being the parents is neat and not too unlikely but still just a guess as good as anyone)

[zenith jacinth]

Those disgusting insect-like things are most likely said "angels"

[vagrant sorrel]

Yes, the creature shown at the end of the trailer is most definitely one of the Angels, pretty much lining up with the formations seen during New War - But that's not what I meant. What I meant is: We don't know what they are, as in what kind of being, what powers and what their purpose on the Zariman is.

[obtuse rune]

That's a fair point. Maybe I'm reading into it, but your comment reminded me of something. Did DE say that the NPCs in the Chrysalith are only available after the quest? Just reviewed the last devstream but Reb just stated "There will be NPCs here which will make sense after the quest."

Would be interesting if the NPCs are held hostage by the Void angels.

[opal rapids]

the angels don't have the phone booth, they have the new syndicate faction.

okay I may need to move the ticker floof if MITW is going to Hey Kiddo me from that side.

come back from mission, "HEY KIDDO" - WHEREJLR?!!!?!?

[torpid lantern]

Rescuing Drifters would be so cool! Maybe whatever chat Lotus and MITW had woke up the void angels and now they're stealing the Drifters

[kind epoch]

A new cephalon to gain faction standing with

hopefully they don't talk with Suda over tea, or else I'm already screwed 🥲

[jagged sable]

Somehow, I get the feeling there's going to be void angel floofs and Man In the Wall Floofs.

the most horrifying floofs ever

[craggy drum]

Horrifyingly adorable

[torpid lantern]

Hmm.. you know, it HAS to be related to MITW somehow because DE said AoZ is a direct continuation of TNW and we know that ended on MITW and that MITW was involved with the Zariman

He's just got to be a part of the quest

[jagged sable]

Ooooh no doubt about it. I am pretty much looking forward to finding out more about Wally. Aaaand maybe clipping some Angel wings while I'm at it.

[torpid lantern]

After what we scoped out in that video, I don't wanna go anywhere near those things

[subtle crown]

The angels will probably be fun tbh.

Though I have a definite suspicion swapping between operator/drifter and frame will be a sizeable portion of the fight.

[vagrant sorrel]

I do feel like whatever happened at the end of New War between Lotus and MITW might have caused them to become active.
Something I've been wondering though: The new gamemodes are specifically about containing the incursion of void energy on the ship , effectively trying to reclaim the Zariman.
But when we're fighting the Angels - Will that be just an escalation of that effort or are we also trying to prevent these things from escaping?

[subtle crown]

Like eidolons but the frames actually get used as more than a ribico holder.

Escalation.

Remember that in the quest all the "infested but metal" that was around.

For lack of a better term, that "void corruption" was breaking through glass and growing on walls, now and then forming the husk of humanoids.

Though at this point in time I would not call them "allied with the void".

[vagrant sorrel]

I wouldn't get my hopes up for the Angels to match Eidolons statwise as they are probably a sideboss in a mission (Or a different node entirely - They could be the focus of the Void Armageddon mode)

[subtle crown]

I made the eidolon comparison more mechanics wise than stat wise.

Like a kuva guardian where you need op/drift to break their godmode.

[vagrant sorrel]

I do hope they set them apart somewhat - This will be the first Void Manifestation we actually fight outside of Chains of Harrow. They should be powerful beyond "Press Operator to shut down Invincibility" - And given that Operators get a massive rework with this Update, it seems like there will be a lot of interplay between Tenno and Frame.

[subtle crown]

The devs keep pointing out how much better swapping between op/drift and frame are now. With the melee/void blast button being a "summon frame and instantly attack" button.

Yeah.

I really should stop being lazy and farm the rest of magus melt for the update.

Vox solaris standing is still the worst.

[vagrant sorrel]

I just hope the angels (And the update altogether) properly capitalise on the themes of Cosmic Horror Warframe has been leaning into more and more.
They could do something similar to the Archons via the quest. By that I mean, start them out as something insurmountable and horrifying, only eventually becoming something you can actually face head-on. I guess it really depends what sort of quest we can expect. DE has been more daring with unique mechanics, cutscenes and stuff like that, even in non-cinematic quests.

[subtle crown]

start them out as something insurmountable and horrifying, only eventually becoming something you can actually face head-on.
That's just kuva/tenet 3.0.

[vagrant sorrel]

I was referring to how when you first meet Nira during New War you are forced on the retreat. If we meet one of the Angels during the new quest, it could be during a more stealthy, horror-esque segment, during which we have to avoid them, with the fight during the regular gameplay-loop being a satisfying payback and return to power.

New War already had the building blocks for that sort of thing with the lamp during the Zariman sequence (I wouldn't be surprised if that made a comeback during a more gameplay-heavy segment)

A lot points to this update leaning into the 'scarier' parts of the worldbuilding a la Chains of Harrow. I'd be surprised if the quest doesn't have some of those elements to it.

[subtle crown]

Lol, I didn't know we could escape from Nira the first time. spent like 10 minutes getting her health down with the dinky little sirocco.

[vagrant sorrel]

Isn't she invincible during the chase and..practically two-shots you?

[subtle crown]

No godmode.

She still took 40/80 damage per shot.

[vagrant sorrel]

Does anything happen if you wittle down her HP during that segment?

[subtle crown]

No idea. After 10 minutes of wishing I didn't have such incredibly bad gear I saw the exit.

[vagrant sorrel]

I never once considered to fight her at that point in the quest. Everything including the characters screamed at me to get the muck out of there.
Maybe I'll have to replay it again and see if it's possible to beat her down - I doubt it, but it would be neat if that was a thing for stubborn dedicated players

[subtle crown]

She has something like 20k health. the wiki used to have the value but there is something messed up behind the scenes so it throwing up an error.

[little grotto]

old maxim from another genre "If it has stats, it can die."

[subtle crown]

No body, no death.

Also pandemonium warden.

Probably the best extant example of "if it has stats, it can die"

Also, I'm highly curious as to what they will do with magus overdrive.

[supple dagger]

what will they remove from operator with next update aside from void dash?

[celest ocean]

Void Blast

[supple dagger]

only that?

[celest ocean]

The schools are changing, so there might be some things that change there

[vagrant sorrel]

Void Dash gets replaced by/reworked into Void Sling, Void Blast gets removed and replaced with an instant melee-swap into the frame. In turn, Transference from Frame into Operator/Drifter are also faster...I think?

[subtle crown]

Faster and client side.

[vagrant sorrel]

Ah yes, forgot about Operator finally being client side, thank you!

The Schools get reworked with a lot of new additions and changes, but noteworthy stuff remains or returns in one form or another with the exception of abilities specifically tied to stuff that is removed - Namely being Void blast.

[subtle crown]

From NullRhea. Screencap of the new focus abilities we have been shown from the latest devstream.

Also, with zenurik inner might changing I wonder if a different school will get heavy attack efficiency.

Also, I do find it highly amusing that madurai is basically tailor made for eidolons.

[vagrant sorrel]

Considering that Madurai's whole thing is Power and strength - Damage Output I think that is rather fitting.

[subtle crown]

Ohh, do I want to spend the 180-210 plat for a magus overload now before the changes or wait for the update and see what the arcane is tied to and potentially pay more...

[subtle crown]

200 plat later, max rank melt and overload ready for the update. With Uniaru basically being the debuff school overload + their shield nullification should really hurt enemies.

[zenith jacinth]

Madurai's thing was speed.

[grand laurel]

Do we know what wally said at the end of the new war?

Oull ris xata vome lohk?

[subtle crown]

Oull, Ris, Xata, Vome, Khra, Lokh.
OULL: Through endless faces, Countless forms a multitude unfolds.
RIS: In Luminous space blackened stars They gaze, accuse, deny
XATA: Its herald are the stars it fells The sky and Earth aflame
VOME: To cosmics madness laws submit Through stalwart mind entreat
KHRA: To cosmic forms from tangent planes We end as we began
LOHK: From brooding gulfs are we beheld By that which bears no name

[fossil fractal]

best poem

[fossil fractal]

this neutral

[subtle crown]

Ye.

[fossil fractal]

looks slightly more sun

[subtle crown]

Look at the line on the bottom.

The wavy pattern on the top is throwing you off.

As soon as you start to go off balance extra things start showing up as well. Like you can see leaves near the bottom of the main circle since they're slightly tipped to sun.

[cyan crest]

I wish the balance one had more details instead of just being Lotus symbols and reverse Lotus symbols

The sun and moon ones have cool pictures

[zenith jacinth]

That's not leaves, those are flames

[subtle crown]

Aah, so it is. Never been sun. Used to be perfect moon until Natah ruined it. Waiting for the next quest to fix the error.

[craggy drum]

I’ve been full sun for a while. Stuck with the Natah name because the choice was tied to alignment for some reason.

Swapped for the Radiant Lotus skin lol occasionally use the EidoLotus one because spooky

[subtle crown]

Yeah, the choice really should not have been tied to alignment.

[craggy drum]

Everything else about it was changeable through plat. Dunno why the name of all things is what was permanent. And affected alignment.

Like why does it affect our alignment if it’s supposed to be her choice?

Still hoping that DE make the name changeable. Even if it’s a small plat cost every time you want to change it

[subtle crown]

I wouldn't hold my breath about the name change. The devs have been super adamant about it.

[craggy drum]

Like I would have loved to stick with the name Lotus (I also got to the choice before the hotfixes that clarified exactly what was permenant so rip) but a slightly askew alignment in my profile would have bothered me to no end.

[subtle crown]

Can confirm. Bothering me to no end.

[craggy drum]

True… but you never know.

[fossil fractal]

all my choices just so happened to be neutral for the most part

so i didnt really lose anything there

[icy ore]

In theory, the name being tied to the alignement is somewhat logical to me… it’s our choice, and it defines what our character prefers… if you choose Margulis (I believe it’s the sun moon one) your character prefers the old times, where you had somewhat of a mother…
Lotus is the balance option because Lotus IS the balance between the 2 others, neither to Caring nor dominating
Sun one is Natah because sun is (in general) the "power" option or the most violent one… so it fits…

[subtle crown]

Margulis is moon.

[zenith jacinth]

Not our choice. Natargulotus chooses there

[subtle crown]

Choosing Margulis will always feel incredibly weird to me.

[craggy drum]

Only again, it’s not the Tenno choosing, it’s supposed to be Nargulotus’ choice.

[zenith jacinth]

I said it first

[icy ore]

Ah ? I thought she asked you first what we would prefer/think it’s the better one (didn’t replay it since December sooooo)

[craggy drum]

You did indeed

So it makes no sense why it affects our alignment lol

[subtle crown]

Meanwhile we're swapping between Drifter and Operator like some sort of character creation screen.

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder what that looked like to natargulotus tbh

[craggy drum]

Something something Void Muckery.

Natargulotus is just like “I just saw a massive stone Void Horror that said spooky words at me. This is normal in comparison”

[icy ore]

She DOES ask the operator to choose !

[zenith jacinth]

You sure?

[icy ore]

So the alignement being tied to it makes sens

[subtle crown]

Try reading the transcript and not the summary.

[zenith jacinth]

the operator asks to choose one voice to lead the others

[zenith jacinth]

No, that screenshot is right, they probably just read it wrong

[icy ore]

Yeah, I misread it, thought it was the opposite

[subtle crown]

The summary is kind of vague and could be read both ways. The actual transcript has no such ambiguity.

[supple dagger]

ngl i go all out neutral because sometimes it sounds nicer than all of them

[gritty willow]

the death method of the elder queen is one where i would've gone moon if i wasn't obsessed with choosing neutral

[zenith jacinth]

I just ignored the alignment thingy and chose what seemed right to me

[cyan crest]

Honestly that's the bets way to do it, because then the alignment meter shows really your, well, alingment

[supple dagger]

I agree

[subtle crown]

Yeah, but that's not min-maxing in a game entirely based on min-maxing.

[zenith jacinth]

Bah

[subtle crown]

😛

[sharp matrix]

bruh whole mission no enemies

[subtle crown]

Did you sprint away from spawn asap?

[sharp matrix]

nope but another weird thing was that it said "faction: grineer" on elar on jupiter

[sharp matrix]

i did set the alarm thing off

[subtle crown]

Alarm and then bail?

[sharp matrix]

as in?

i started searching for enemies

lotus did talk about the spores

[ivory surge]

I had this glitch before too, after a host migration error

[sharp matrix]

ah yes same happened to me i think

but it sent me in a solo squad

[ivory surge]

yeah me too

[craggy drum]

2 more weeks and then we can get our Dormizones and shoot those spooky Angels

[supple dagger]

happened to me before

[zenith jacinth]

Cool

That's 72 days sooner than the next big monster hunter thing

[wicked iron]

I cannot wait for that beautiful heavy scythe. GIMME!!

[supple dagger]

now that u mention that i too cannot wait....

[cyan crest]

The scythe-sized scythe, finally coming

[real niche]

I just wanna see what the Represent stuff is

[zenith jacinth]

It's my job to be excited for the realistically-sized scythe

[cyan crest]

First-scythe-that-can-work-as-a-scythe

[zenith jacinth]

*efficiently-work-as-a-scythe

[cyan crest]

I mean, yes, if you tried to use Hate as a scythe it would uncomfortable to say the least

[zenith jacinth]

Ether reaper

Would it just go through the crops?

[supple dagger]

probably

[real niche]

If it can slash thro hugh bodies I'm pretty sure it can harvest a crop

[craggy drum]

It only works on spectral crops

[zenith jacinth]

.... wait, I still gotta prepare a discworld reaper cosplay. I just remembered that.

But I can't play warframe at the moment... oof.

[past kiln]

The heavy scythe has 1.5 base atk speed too

[zenith jacinth]

Nice

[wicked iron]

Gotta reap fast!

[fleet veldt]

Heavy scythe'll fit Sevagoth pretty nicely.

[supple dagger]

agreed

i agree as a sevagoth enjoyer atleast

[fleet veldt]

My Sevagoth is configured to be Rage + Life Strike on his Shadow.

[zenith jacinth]

I'm kinda making my rj into a pirate ship
Imagine seeing a pirate captain with a massive scythe just running towards you

[fleet veldt]

Hydroid Prime is a fitting pirate, but Sevagoth is helmsman.

[little grotto]

With a Valkyr Bosun?

Ah, Khora

[zenith jacinth]

I'm using the Antoine Laurent de Lavoisier warframe

For maximum ability firing

[cyan crest]

Lavos

[zenith jacinth]

That's what I said

[cyan crest]

I was translating

[little grotto]

hmm, we don't have quite the right gunblade to pull a true Captain Harlock

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

We don't have a proper realistic gunblade

[weak harness]

May have paused the game at the perfect moment

[zenith jacinth]

Put that into #submit-warframe-emoji

[supple dagger]

:NatahPog: lol

lie detected i did the new war quest with no issues without paracesis

[cyan crest]

It says seeing, not building it
Seeing it as in the Chimaera prologue

[frail nymph]

Yeah would've been weird if they removed the paracesis requirement for Erra quest but not for New War

[kind epoch]

In the case that you didn't have a paracesis built for new war, you get an unranked, unmodded paracesis to use

[errant charm]

you get a loaner, I dont have it yet and got one for it. Sadly they take it away after.

was kinda hoping id get a bypass to having to do Eidolons, I can farm 1000 ducks but I hear PUB Eidolon are a total toxic waste dump.

[kind epoch]

In my case, my first Eidolon hunt was me and some randoms doing fishing and conservation efforts. Eidolon showed up nearby, and we're like "eh let's try it." We beat it with 5 minutes to spare before dawn

[zenith jacinth]

Could just solo terry

[little grotto]

while true, decent non-toxic group is almost always faster.

[cyan crest]

And harder to find

[young meadow]

in the new war, how do you kill jackal, in the second stage where you need to protect the blowup moa with a drone?

[cyan crest]

Uhm, you protect the moa with a drone
Asign the drone to the moa and then the moa to the jackal

[young meadow]

how do you assign the drone to the actual moa

also whats the timing for the explosion

[cyan crest]

The same way you assign it to anything, use the assign button and target the moa

[cyan crest]

If you assign the moa to the jackal it just explodes without you needing to shoot it

[young meadow]

woah it can attach to the moa itself not just the floor near it?

[cyan crest]

Yes

[young meadow]

oh damn ill try that

[zenith jacinth]

I didn't give the moa a drone and it still worked

[kind epoch]

I was Ivara with a Rakta Cernos, my specter did more than I did

[kind epoch]

the timing of breacher drone going boom is it taking damage, then doing its animation

[cyan crest]

It doesn't necessarily need to take damage

If you assign it to the jackal it autoexplodes

[zenith jacinth]

I'm an off-meta lavos main with a 111 and I regularly solo terry out of boredom

[kind epoch]

I think Lavos can take more hits than my Ivara just based on stats

also, I'm bad at dodging

[zenith jacinth]

Void mode

But yeah, lavos is just an absolute tank

[kind epoch]

my ivara has 225 hp, 300 shield and like... sub 100 armor

[zenith jacinth]

My lavos has 1750 hp, 650 shields, I forgor how much armor

But enough armor for 80 or 90% damage reduction

[kind epoch]

dang, so tanky

[zenith jacinth]

And lavos 1 has lifesteal

[kind epoch]

then ye, it makes sense for you to sustain terry, you simply can, that's a build diff

I only ever go to Plains with infinite invis ivara, I die to literally anything terry throws

[zenith jacinth]

I just solo terry so he doesn't annoy me while I'm busy mining at night even though that one old minecraft song advises against it

[kind epoch]

time means nothing to me, I'm invisible anyways :p

[cyan crest]

Don't mine at night, hunter

Woh oh

[zenith jacinth]

I wouldn't if it wasn't always night when I have to go mining

[kind epoch]

Got my Drill inside my hand
Figure out what that Grineer said (raah)
Ores all over the room
Got 10 hp and no revives, man I am doomed

Don't have any health restores
I can hear Grineer closing in and more
Just one more dot what should I do
To mine or live I'll have to choose

[glass pivot]

Hello

[kind epoch]

hi

[glass pivot]

How are you doing.

[kind epoch]

good

[glass pivot]

I'm glad.

[zenith jacinth]

Why

[kind epoch]

Why not

I could try doing the whole song

[zenith jacinth]

Good point

Please don't

[kind epoch]

but I stopped myself knowing the cringe

[flat shadow]

Please don't post the same comment in multiple channels. Only choose one place to post a specific comment.

[kind epoch]

understood

[simple python]

Adaptation tank though

[kind epoch]

I wish I had adaptation

[simple python]

I sti have to get thst conversion mod for Nezha. But if Adaptation isn't on... I'll slap it on his halo build.

[kind epoch]

conversion mod?

[simple python]

Simaris has conversion mods for energy (shield?) And health (armor) nezha's halo builds off of his armor rating so... the health converse is a good mod for him.

[kind epoch]

ohh those

[zenith jacinth]

Meh

[spring yew]

What is the penalty of talking crap about Kahl.

I need to enforce.

Kahl is the Chad of all Grineer

[craggy drum]

Never ending Dog Days

[spring yew]

Rhino died during the Fight with a Corinth Prime. Kahl demolished.

What does that even mean?

[craggy drum]

Dog Days? As in the event? The”Rathuum but Kala is drunk and it’s a water fight now” event

[spring yew]

Never played it

Don't think I was playing warframe during that event

Imma assume is a bad thing

[subtle crown]

Laughing gas leak. The end result of the event is she is mildly hungover and the results get thrown out so there is no punishment for the grineer who didn't score well.

It's fun for us, it's a huge win for the grineer who postponed their death 2 weeks. That's probably a 60-20% life extension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dciqTVMRNN4 The intro cutscene.

[supple dagger]

even getting worried about it

[torpid lantern]

Well if the Queens found out, she'd be toast so.... probably good to worry a teensy bit 😅

[scarlet basalt]

There was multiple ship that went into the void no ? Like not only the Zariman ten-zero but before the Zariman incident there was other expeditions ?
SO IF It's true then,the monster that we see in the Zariman...
There are evolved or worse version ?

[torpid lantern]

Multiple ships disappeared into the void, as well as other experiments, but no one knew what happened to them. They just disappeared. The Zariman is the only we know of that came back.

But the accident that effected all the people on the ship might have been unique and not happened on that scale to the other one's that poofed out of existence. I'm not sure

[subtle crown]

Yeah, Albrecht entered and all he got was a massive case of impostor syndrome.

[scarlet basalt]

Imagine the other ships that just disappeared,what could have happened to the crewmate...

[subtle crown]

I'm thinking some sort of dead space situation.. If you have the capacity to comprehend then the void doesn't drive you insane. Instead it gives you messages.

[scarlet basalt]

So this could mean that in planes in duviri (if it's an open world)...Npcs could be not tenno but...Normal people ?

[subtle crown]

Potentially. Though I suspect that the NPCs for "duviri cetus" won't be human.

[supple dagger]

wouldnt it be a pretty extreme place for regular humans to exist there

[subtle crown]

Yup. Though the existence of the corrupted might mean that human physiology can exist but the mind gets wrecked.

[supple dagger]

Adaptation is caliban's passive but as a mod

[torpid lantern]

I noticed a moa on one of the images for the Zariman. I don't remember if it was the Tuuvl or Oro node though. And then there's Grineer. I dont like it but maybe they got trapped in the void and ended up there?

[thick jolt]

Think its just them invading the zariman normally

[subtle crown]

yeah, "why the kuva grineer are on the Zariman will be explained in the quest"

It seems rather non-accidental thus far.

Especially since if it was an accidental invasion then after we kill the enemies they would no longer be there. Vs. somewhere like Lua that is actively being investigated so there is a constant influx of corpus/grineer.

[supple dagger]

maybe something like what happened to the sisters of parvos?

[subtle crown]

Potentially.

At least thanks to veil proxima both grineer and corpus are already neighbours to the void.

[torpid lantern]

I was thinking it would be neat if ships that got stranded in the void from mechanical malfunctions or something would cause the crew to turn into the ghost-like Grineer we saw in the stream. I can't remember if they explained the ghost people. I was distracted during the stream

[supple dagger]

probably by screwing around on void fissures

[weak finch]

I really want to see more operator-centric gameplay

[wild copper]

go watch some eidolon runs

[weak finch]

No no, more like the new war

Where the drifter gets the bow

Yk?

[wild copper]

yea, would be nice to see an operator only quest

or specific missions that you can only use op on

[weak finch]

Idk if it still happens, but I love when the Lotus says "change of plans tenno, eliminate everyone" and it becomes an elimination mission

But instead, it should be like "tenno, there's interference" and kicks you out of your warframe

Not on stuff like Arbitration or Steel Path though

[subtle crown]

Well, before the next update steel path would have been possible.

[kind epoch]

||orphix||

[subtle crown]

I wish I figured out a way for the ops to deal enough damage to the big guy.

No frame, no necramech, just a couple hundred thousand vox solaris standing and potential bug abuse.

[zenith jacinth]

Happens annoyingly often

[zenith jacinth]

That's more mech-centered

[subtle crown]

The joys of speeding through a mission too quickly.

[young meadow]

in tnw, which is the easiest/hardest ||archon|| to defeat?

[spark herald]

Only played through once, but Owl was certainly easier than snake.

[dusky linden]

They're all pretty easy, its just a matter of paying attention

[young meadow]

oh damn i struggled with owl

[young meadow]

yeah, for owl i didnt realise for a long time that you had to disrupt the heal

[dusky linden]

mhm, owl is usually the easiest to learn from for the next ones

Wolf will only be difficult due to a certain attack he does, if you haven't seen it yet then I won't mention what it is

[young meadow]

feeling good that i just ruined some other childs life saying his mom aint here

[young meadow]

hmm, not yet but going to rn

[dusky linden]

Alr, good travels man

enjoy new war

[young meadow]

will do

[cyan crest]

For me, owl was the easiest and wolf was the hardest
Snake is... There, I guess

[zenith jacinth]

I never tried owl

[cyan crest]

Always for last?

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

On both runs

[young meadow]

damn wolf jump is annoying

[zenith jacinth]

That attack is based on your distance to him

[icy ore]

Did wolf first, struggled a bit, then Owl, not harder but less fun and snake was in Warframe so it was a one shot

[weak finch]

For the last choice in the new war, the one with Lotus, which of the three did you pick? What was your reasoning?

I chose ||Margulis because she's pretty and I've seen a lot of the others||

[vital owl]

Margulis cus I never trusted Lotus in the firstplace

[supple dagger]

i chose Natah

[weak finch]

Why lich?

[cinder steppe]

It feels a bit weird that DE is already moving on to the next chapter tbh.

I feel like the New War should've lingered a bit longer. And we needed a bit more Narmer and Sentient related content before we're going full build up for Duviri

[supple dagger]

eh i like natah

[weak finch]

I feel like the Narmer will have a resurgence

[fleet veldt]

That 'Narmer resurgence' will likely occur after Duviri Paradox with a hybrid expansion on Corrupted (via Duviri Paradox, Void stuff, and the Void Towers/Vor being involved) and Narmer into some kind of joint faction with internal conflict because Narmer don't agree with how Corrupted work.

At least, at the rate things are going we'll probably have:

-Angels of the Zariman.
-A pre-Duviri quest that sets the Paradox in motion.
-The Paradox itself.
-Narmer/Corrupted alliance/resurgence.

[cyan crest]

there's no indication something like a Narmer corrupted alliance would happen

[fleet veldt]

I just have a feeling that Narmer may be so desperate that they'll resort to such a thing.

[weak finch]

The Narmar are united, the Infested are united.... 👀

[cyan crest]

The infested are kind of a threat to Narmer, enough that they didn't even try to conquer Deimos
They did conquer Eris tho

[zenith jacinth]

Lotus chose lotus

[weak finch]

Hunhow was a threat to Tenno, and we do weird alliances all the time

[weak finch]

Wym

[zenith jacinth]

I mean that lotus chose lotus

[cyan crest]

Hunhow isnt a fungus hivemind that intends to consume every living and not living being in existence

[cyan crest]

Natargulotus is the one that makes the final choice

In my case, Lotus chose Lotus too

[weak finch]

Ah yes I see

[supple dagger]

There's no way the Corrupted wound work with them unless they can somehow hack the Neutral Sentry

[weak finch]

If you're part of the hive mind, you're at peace

Supposedly