spoiler-chat

[subtle crown]

Or be Sylvana and make your own.

[fossil fractal]

id like that

[thick jolt]

Imperator vandal
And that other archgun that has spin up

[cunning copper]

I only mentioned the possibility Angels could mean Tenno because Tenno didn't just mean the operators

Many thought the Tenno were the warframes

[subtle crown]

Yeah, all the angel statues on the Zariman lead me to believe they will be the enemies.

[cunning copper]

And we know that warframes were sometimes called angels due to archwing appearance (especially the primes like Mag being white with a prime archwing)

Speaking of, when are we going to get other prime archwings?

[thick jolt]

Possibly after modular archwings

[subtle crown]

2032

[cunning copper]

Mag Prime's codex entry even refers to her as an angel, twice

[real niche]

2035*

[subtle crown]

Mag prime was also literal years ago.

[cunning copper]

So were a lot of things that are just now being put to use

[cyan crest]

I mean
She was using an archwing
Which gave her wings, like an angel

[subtle crown]

Yes, so it seems much more likely that all the angel statues made out of "void creep" are more likely candidate for the title "angel of Zariman" than some frames that have never set foot on the Zariman in 1000+ years.

[opal rapids]

Well, when you're dying see someone save you and they have wings sticking off your ... hips...

[cunning copper]

Well according to the theory of the void in TNW, time doesn't exactly pass in the Void.

[cyan crest]

You would tend to compare them to angels

[cunning copper]

It's more like a window to other moments in time, other timelines

[subtle crown]

It also doesn’t exist in the void until it physically passes the barrier.

[cyan crest]

that's not what eternalism says tho
It only says the void allowed them to see that all of time happened at the same time, and because of that, all the possibilities did too
It doesn't exactly mean time doesn't pass there

[cunning copper]

Especially when largely white and gold

[subtle crown]

Sadly all the photos from new war spoilers have been deleted.

And I really don’t feel like spending another 4.5 hours to get them again.

[cyan crest]

[cunning copper]

The orokin class specifically called the tenno devils, (especially Ballas). But they routinely saved dax, colonies, and researchers. Lesser classes of the population, saved with seemingly magic abilities that rent reality and defied logic. Why would that section of the population who may only hear tales of the tenno and never see them, not view them as angels?

Near mythical protectors of the empire that crushed any threat they came across

[subtle crown]

Because all of that did not happen on the Zariman or in the void.

[cyan crest]

And void angels are an enemy type

[cunning copper]

That doesn't exactly negate the possibility

[subtle crown]

It also does not confirm it.

[cunning copper]

Isn't that the point of speculation?

[cyan crest]

While angels might have been a nickname for the tenno, the angels of the zariman the quest refers to are most likely the void angels enemies

[cunning copper]

To consider the many possibilities?

[subtle crown]

Meanwhile growths like that were all over the Zariman.

[swift pond]

Cannot wait for the update, this imagery is haunting and I love it to pieces

[cunning copper]

For all we know it could be trapped spirits of dead tenno in alternate timelines

[cyan crest]

The what

[supple dagger]

Angels is a great meta juxtaposition, but doesn't work as a common in game thing

[cunning copper]

Nothing is ever clear when it comes to the void, and we know tenno just go back to the void when they "die"

But what happens if they did inside the void?

The place Ballas could never reach, regardless how much he tried.

[cyan crest]

what

[subtle crown]

If all our trips into the void are any indication, not a whole lot.

[cunning copper]

I don't just mean void towers. What happens if a Tenno in their real body, dies onboard the Zariman or otherwise unprotected while inside the void?

That situation has never come up before, even Ballas thought sending them back to the void would be enough to get rid of them

[subtle crown]

Can't kill them, may as well try banishment to send them away for a while.

[fossil fractal]

i mean maybe they just heal and come back

[cunning copper]

Ballas knew they won't die in "real-space" at least

[fossil fractal]

was thinking about it and maybe operators are not age-immortal but are battle-immortal

[cunning copper]

But i'm sure they lacked any way to find out what happens if a tennos real body dies in the void in

[fossil fractal]

assuming wall man tailored our powers specifically for us

[cyan crest]

Them suddenly being unkillable even in operator form is dumb cause then the whole second dream quest is just for nothing, cause the tenno would just come back after stalker killed them

[fossil fractal]

you could say that you need to beat the war within to get the "true" tenno power and revive yourself

but idk

[cunning copper]

Seems Ballas never told Hunhow that part

Even then he was still playing everybody like a fiddle

[fossil fractal]

i personally think you needed to beat war within to gain access to this "immortality"

[cunning copper]

We didn't even know about it though, but Ballas sure did

[fossil fractal]

he maybe was spectating us against umbra

or alternatively could be a gameplay =/= lore thing but idk why theyd bother to make a whole animation when in tnw they just make drifter fall down when they die

[cunning copper]

That was also before the drifter got their powers

[fossil fractal]

yeah

[cunning copper]

Otherwise the animations are the same as what a warframe can do

[fossil fractal]

that was my point i think i forgot to specify that lmfao

[cunning copper]

Including backflips

Yet...they still can't use k-drives, shawzins, or do nartas

[craggy drum]

I don’t think Tenno are immortal per se… if they were, then why bother with making infested meat suits for them to pilot when they’d be just as capable firing amps and killing Sentients that way?

[cunning copper]

To hide the truth

And control their powers

[fossil fractal]

warframes would be able to travel faster

and use archwing

and just in general last 2 seconds without needing void revive

[cyan crest]

As if child slavery wasn't something everyday orokin citizens saw

[fossil fractal]

plus wasnt the implication that margulis "locked away" tenno powers

[cunning copper]

It's been made very clear the Orokin did everything possible to hide the fact the Zariman even existed

[fossil fractal]

yep

and they hid the true nature of warframes

so for all the public knew they were robots right

also is ballas judge or executioner

[cunning copper]

Both

[craggy drum]

Yeah the Orokin would straight up take children to parade around in the Yuvan theatres for dying Orokin to choose from and then take over their bodies

[cyan crest]

Executor, one of the seven, basically a big judge

[fossil fractal]

so the seven were the judge, jury, and executioner

[cunning copper]

And in his original concept art, Paracesis was his personal execution sword

[fossil fractal]

just got the pc role i forgot to grab it

[fossil fractal]

maybe he modeled the paracesis after his personal execution sword

[cyan crest]

And possibly a governing body

[fossil fractal]

all evidence ive seen seems to point towards them being government

[cyan crest]

Maybe he just rebuilt his personal execution sword

[cunning copper]

Much like Nihil had that one sword (i forget the name)

[cyan crest]

yeah

[cyan crest]

Vitrica!

It looks so cool

[cunning copper]

The Council of Seven led the entire orokin empire

[fossil fractal]

i mean his personal execution sword probably couldnt do the stuff paracesis could if he was made one of the seven before the old war

[cyan crest]

He could have modified it later to kill sentients

[cunning copper]

They were for all intents and purposes as far as we know, the very top of the orokin government

[fossil fractal]

but my question is why

hes not gonna get his own hands dirty

he has children for that

[cyan crest]

Yeah
And no death penalty was to be carried without their unanimous consent so they must have been very busy guys lmao

[cunning copper]

To give to us for use as a puppet

[fossil fractal]

i mean back then

not in tnw

[cunning copper]

Safeguard

[cyan crest]

that's some big level foresight

[fossil fractal]

or are you saying he modified it when he was making it in the quest where you get it

[cunning copper]

He was behind the sentients, he knew their weakness was void energy

[cyan crest]

He made their weakness be that
Him or Perintol, doesn't matter anyway

[fossil fractal]

seriously though paracesis is one of the coolests names ive ever heard

[cunning copper]

Why would he not have an execution sword that couldn't kill basically anything he may need to use it on?

Especially as a member of the Seven

[fossil fractal]

yeah good point

[cunning copper]

Glassing by Vitrica was viewed as a fate worse than death

[fossil fractal]

but then again the tenno would probably kill any sentients right

[cyan crest]

I imagine assassination attempts were not uncommon

[fossil fractal]

he could never kill anyone with shields and armour according to wiki though!!!!!!1111!!

[cyan crest]

Eternal servitude is really bad so yeah

[fossil fractal]

something i wonder is was ordan karris -> ordis a mercy? he describes it as feeling "cool" and "happy"

[cyan crest]

so it can't kill anything? My character disagrees

[cunning copper]

We know they were so common there was an order of assassins fairly widely known in the empire, the Scoria

[cyan crest]

Literally means Scum lmao

[fossil fractal]

hence the 1s interchanged with the !s, i felt it made the sarcasm obvious

[cyan crest]

Yes, I knew you were joking, it was more directed to the wiki than you

[cunning copper]

So clearly assassinations and attempts at them were pretty common if they had a death cult for doing them

[fossil fractal]

oh ok 😄

[cunning copper]

One led by a warframe no less

[fossil fractal]

which one was led by a warframe again

[cyan crest]

probably a tenno
Yes, have the death cult be led by a teen, what could go wrong

[cunning copper]

The Scoria worshipped Ash as their god

Death personified (ironic given that Nekros existed)

[cyan crest]

Lmao

[cunning copper]

Which brings up another point. if prime trailers are at all canon, it's implied Nekros was created to bring back the fear of death among the Orokin

Then again lore surrounding what tenno are and what they are capable of has changed so many times its kind of a moot point to even look at most past lore about them

[fossil fractal]

unrelated, but i remember someone mentioned something like "in reality, ballas died with margulis" and i thought about how poetic that is

[supple dagger]

That...kinda doesn't track

[fossil fractal]

i mean figuratively

not literally

[supple dagger]

We're not battle immortal either, both Mirage and Gara went down fighting

[fossil fractal]

operator i mean

not warframes

[cyan crest]

Their operators died too

[supple dagger]

Presumably, but also unknown

[cyan crest]

If not, then their sacrifices are very stupid

Because they are not sacrifices at all

[fossil fractal]

gara i can understand

[supple dagger]

I mean, even figuratively. Ballas never cared about Margulis like that

[cyan crest]

He did love her but he loved himself over everyone

[fossil fractal]

he mentions it in the sacrifice that he was tormented by it or something

[supple dagger]

Or rather, he cared about her like an object, not a real person

[fossil fractal]

i think its because of the culture he was brought up in

[supple dagger]

Margulis was kind of his manic pixie dream girl that he wanted all to himself

[fossil fractal]

because hes clearly pretty smart

if he was brought up humbly like parvos maybe he would have loved margulis truly

[cyan crest]

You know in invincible where Omni man says he cared about Mark's mother, but more as a pet than anything?

that's what I think he thought

[supple dagger]

Parvos absolutely is not humble or caring like that either

[fossil fractal]

parvos had humble beginnings

he was just a farmer

[supple dagger]

That he dismisses with prejudice

[fossil fractal]

well my point is if ballas was born as just a farmer i wonder if hed still be the prick he is today

[cyan crest]

and then proceeded to crap on everyone like him and sell them basically lies to keep them exploited
what a nice guy ain't he

[supple dagger]

He would

It didn't stop Parvos

[fossil fractal]

not saying hes nice

just wondering whether its a case of him being brought up thinking hes a god that made him who he is

[supple dagger]

Ballas is a full on sociopathic narcissist. That's not anything to do with being an Orokin, he was just a twisted person

[fossil fractal]

shame

[cyan crest]

I mean it kinda has something to do with the orokin since it seems lake the basis for the empire, "being a twisted person" is like their motto or something

[supple dagger]

Not really though. Nothing he said was a lie, and the other legitimately all got theirs as well

[cyan crest]

Alright, he fed them his version of the story which involved like 5 lightning strikes worth of luck to achieve
And he wasn't even a good person in them
Also, all the others got theirs as well? Cause the corpus is severely stratified in their social classes, even Parvos uses crewmen as expendable Cannon fodder

[supple dagger]

Crewmen are more recent things I remember correctly

[cyan crest]

Crewmen as we know them now, yes, exploited people under the corpus aren't so modern
And it doesn't take away the fact that he uses them, now

His main lieutenant(s) use those too

[torpid lantern]

I have a random, only slightly related question

[cyan crest]

neat

[torpid lantern]

How come Latrox hasn't contracted the infestation virus?

[cyan crest]

Uhm
Either plot armor or a very good shield drone

[supple dagger]

Cause we help him, and he likely had a breast containment suit, missed with his shield done

[torpid lantern]

Is it his shield osprey? He doesnt even have a helmet on.

[cyan crest]

Honestly, the same thing can be said for the grineer there

[torpid lantern]

I know mercenaries go and actively fight the infested so they've gotta have some form of protection, but dang...

[cyan crest]

The entrati could be providing him with those things grandma makes

Those elixir things

[supple dagger]

I mean, Parvos wouldn't be against Crewmen either. He was never above using other people for goals, he's against taking on the profit when you're not putting in any work at all

Plus, most of the Crewmen are there cause they want to

[cyan crest]

I
I
What other option do you think they have?
It's either be exploited in one way, be exploited in another way or starve

[craggy drum]

Weren’t Crewmen mentioned in the Detron Crewman imprint?

Yeah here

[torpid lantern]

Want is a strong word. More like don't wanna end up in the index or with their heads inside their chest cavities

[cyan crest]

the corpus have literal indoctrination temples, it's not like anything the low classes do would have any semblance of freedom

[cunning copper]

Reminds me

TNW didn't even involve the kuva grineer, kuva liches, Worm, Parvos, or the sisters

What exactly were they doing during that time?

Is Parvos totally in control of the remaining Corpus now?

[fleet veldt]

Hiding?

[cunning copper]

Would find it hard to believe the Board as it was before the invasion is still intact

Perfect opportunity for Parvos to take back full control of the Corpus

Especially after the combined fleet got devastated

[supple dagger]

Board was likely fine

If Nef managed to hide, then the rest should be good

[cunning copper]

Alad would have known where they were, and he joined the Sentients

Idk about you, that to me seems like the perfect moment for Parvos to seize back control

[supple dagger]

Alad wouldn't have, he's not on the board anymore

[cunning copper]

Doesn't mean he lost his connections

Why was he in charge of that corpus fleet anyway instead of a board member?

[fleet veldt]

Probably due to his experience with Sentients, Grineer, and Tenno.

Which led to everyone getting Narmer'd.

[cunning copper]

Anyone who still trusted him at that point is the frog with the scorpion

[cyan crest]

Why does every faction Alad joins always crash down

Even us, he joined us for a while and we almost died twice by the stalker that day

The man's cursed I say, cursed

[cunning copper]

That's why i said scorpion and frog

Anyone who allies with him should only trust him to lead both to ruin

[supple dagger]

The Corpus don't trust him, but he's also smart and still rich

[cunning copper]

He clearly still had some level of authority if he could command the entire corpus fleet trying to fight the sentients

Or maybe he didn't, maybe he only had command of that one ship

It isn't entirely made clear which one, only that Veso had the authority to disengage fire control for the entire fleet

But if he still saw Alad as a high ranking corpus member, i imagine the others did too

[subtle crown]

Parvos wouldn't be able to seize back control. The corpus isn't splintered enough.

[torpid lantern]

I was under the impression that they were in his sector, Jupiter, so he was fighting them there and that other Sentients showed up in other places, kinda like on the star chart. That just happened to be where Ballas and the big ship was

[cunning copper]

They were certainly splintered and broken by the time the Drifter started killing archons

[subtle crown]

Parvos formed the corpus by organising different groups of the merchant cults together. Basically forming a conglomerate.

He is an organiser, not some great leader or diplomat.

Even his sisters he is a figurehead while others do all the work.

Then the sisters are only loyal to the all mighty dollar credit.

Vala is the person to watch out for.
Like a super villain human resources she does all the recruiting, training, organising and paperwork. "For Parvos" she chants absolving her of any personal responsibility.

[supple dagger]

Parvos is fully a competent leader, it's the entire reason the Orokin wary of him

[subtle crown]

The Orokin were wary of him because he organised the merchant cults into something that was an actual threat to the staggering inequality that the Orokin used to rule.

[swift pond]

Always fear human resources, they're the ones keeping things afloat.

[cyan crest]

Fight inequality with inequality, corpus style

[subtle crown]

Super villain HR is honestly incredible.

[wicked iron]

I think he has actually been off the Board since the Mutalist thing. That's why he went off and did all that, if I remember correctly.

[cyan crest]

Very little to change to make them actual movie supervillains

[cyan crest]

I think atsia wanted to say he's not in the board anymore

[subtle crown]

The failure of the Zanuka project saw Salad V removed from the board of directors and replaced with Frohd Bek.

[cyan crest]

I think Frohd was already in the board by that time

[wicked iron]

I think Frohd was, too, and that he wanted Darvo to take Alad's place.

[cyan crest]

He wanted Alad off because he threatened his position as chairman

If Zanuka succeeded, he was mucked, so he told us to make it flop

[wicked iron]

I don't think Frohd was behind us finding out about Zanuka, was he? I was under the impression that Lotus already knew about it, given how Warframes kept getting taken.

[cyan crest]

He just told us to destroy Alad's possibilities, but I believe Lotus probably knew about it before hand

Anyway that was in an operation very long ago

[subtle crown]

Update 16. 2013

The Gradivus Dilemma is when Alad V officially left the board of directors. Well less "left" and more "was kicked out"

[cyan crest]

It was Gradivus? Damn, I thought it was the Zanuka thing

[subtle crown]

After that was the Zanuka boss fight, Alads defeat, then after that is his mutalist foray.

[cyan crest]

And then the Regor thing, and then the second dream, and then... Silence I guess, until the concord

[subtle crown]

Zanuka project research is expensive > Gradivus dilemma = collecting more materials for Zanuka > kicked off the board and fund it himself > Zanuka boss fight.

Then with the failure of Zanuka he went to go play with the rabid technocyte and let it take over inorganic circuitry, then tubemen of Regor.

[wicked iron]

Ah yeah, my mistake. Gradivus was before I started, sadly.

How I wish I started a couple months sooner to be a Founder. q_q

[cyan crest]

But yeah, Frohd wanted Alad as far as possible

[subtle crown]

Same.

[supple dagger]

They weren't merchants ar first is were Parvos comes is.

The Corpus were farmers and other laborers until Parvos came around lent out money

[subtle crown]

They were though. Parvos recruited within the city. There was no money to make out in the farms.

[supple dagger]

They really weren't. Parvos says he gave out to other poor people like him, then they spread the with farther

[subtle crown]

He went to the city, stole rubedo gems off the gate, was caught, swallowed a gem, vomited it up back at home then pawned it off and started recruiting.

[supple dagger]

Yeah, among other poor people

[ruby pumice]

They can play Stalker but we can't have more fun as Grineer or Corpus? Sounds weak man.

https://youtu.be/Zolimc7bUbY

[autumn turret]

...no we cant its a dev thing that is very unlikely to be fully public

[errant charm]

Given the general nature of people in online games with "unscheduled" pvp, I think we can be happy that stalker mode is devs streams and tennocons only.

[subtle crown]

Yup.

[errant charm]

otherwise you would no doubt have some idiot using it solely as a griefing platform

[autumn turret]

like you can kill defense objectives in stalker mode

[errant charm]

and as they showed on last stream, setoff spy vault timers

[kindred briar]

Stalker mode is only bad if they don't put in griefing protections

[errant charm]

would probably have to limit it from anything with an attackable failure state

Defense, Rescue, Spy

[kindred briar]

Mobile Defense

[errant charm]

that too yea

[kindred briar]

Defection

[sharp spoke]

Why not also just make it an opt-in thing for the "defenders" to accept player-controlled Stalker?

So's if you only want dumb AI Stalker, you can do that

[swift pond]

Do you want to opt in to a free War blueprint?

[sharp spoke]

Exactly

[autumn turret]

except its normal stalker

[swift pond]

Free Hate bps then?

[sharp spoke]

Here ya go kids, free hate

[opal rapids]

It took forever to get War BP

[swift pond]

It sure did...

[cunning copper]

Took me longer to get the materials to build it than getting the blueprint

[gritty pike]

simaris sells war parts

[swift pond]

He sells Broken War parts, yes.

Which are War parts in a roundabout way.

[gritty pike]

exactly, war parts

broken war derives from war, crazy at how both use war parts

[swift pond]

And yet somehow fixing the weapon makes it worse.

[gritty pike]

they should've just made it a long sword and defy logic

like no one wants to use a different heavy blade other than gram prime galatine prime or paracesis

[past kiln]

Parasussy solos all

[sharp spoke]

Paracesis is definitely my main, but thanks to rivens, War and Skana P are up there in my melee rotation

[gritty pike]

is skana prime one of the best swords?

[sharp spoke]

Nah

[gritty pike]

hmm

just got that 5 star riven dispo going for it

[sharp spoke]

It's pretty okay, I just have an awesome riven that makes it amazing

[gritty pike]

cracked for founders

[past kiln]

wow founder

[sharp spoke]

[past kiln]

you have the best excal 😭

[sharp spoke]

It's true. He's my precious boi

I lament that I was unable to get Lato Prime - I don't care if it sucks, it just hurts my soul that it's the one weapon I can never obtain

[past kiln]

and LR2 is founder exclusive until March 28th

[sharp spoke]

One day I'll hit max MR

[ruby pumice]

Found some guy with good taste in Metroid.

[supple dagger]

You guys know that after completing The New War you can choose between Natah, Lotus and the Othe Girl (I don't remember)

If you look carefully at the Natah version, you will see she is sitting with her palms together. Well you can do the same with the others. The same position and it looks weird xd

[torpid lantern]

Y u forget Margulis

[supple dagger]

Ah yeah Margulis was her name xd

[supple dagger]

Update: I tested out again and it looks DE parched it. A bug that was clearly NOT a bug
I liked that "praying?"position xd

I will miss this feature

[subtle crown]

Isn't palms together from her big Natah form?

Since her human hands are false hands.

[subtle crown]

Yeah, palms together is Natah.

[bronze anchor]

TMITW should have a new line after TNW, "Hey Kiddo" old

also, we didnt do anything to natah's mother, she was on the new war trailer talking to natah but she was nowhere in the quest

[ivory surge]

"Tell Lotus I've said hi"

[bronze anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oecQ8a4roUQ

[ionic sleet]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Praghasa

[cyan crest]

She almost ate the sun what do you mean she was nowhere to be found

[runic schooner]

i never understood its shape until i saw these

which, weirdly enough, the concept art is in the villains wiki not in the warframe wiki

[cyan crest]

She is just a big snek

With, um
Membranes on both sides of her head

[bronze anchor]

she sucks

[cyan crest]

👍

I wish she was given more agency but she was confirmed dead in one of the prologues, with her body being "all that remains" according to Erra, so I guess it makes sense she didn't do anything herself
She was a husk being piloted by whoever was in control in any given moment

[swift pond]

Can never get enough of that alien Sentient architecture.

[gaunt galleon]

Can we talk about this?

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe,she meant LITERALLY nothing ?
Tho it's weird because of one thing : she told us on ropalolyst fight that she saw MITW
Either she is hiding what her "eyes" could see,some form of grotesque,indescriptible monsters that came out of the hole
I doubt that her eyes is different from us but i wonder if sentients see more than what human can see,like a thermal sensor

[cyan crest]

I think she just doesn't want us to worry
She probably saw MITW at the end, but telling us would have gotten us worried for her, so she just didn't tell us to not worry us

[wicked iron]

What I really want to know is if we saw it, too, and both Lotus and us are keeping it from each other for some reason (maybe trying to protect each other, without realizing we both already saw it?).

[scarlet basalt]

they got PTSD from MITW maybe ? and don't want to talk about it

[cyan crest]

It could be that

[cyan crest]

It's probably not that since they talk to tmitw in the sacrifice like if he was just some dude

You don't talk to something that gives you PTSD like that

[scarlet basalt]

my man MITW chilling in the void and talking to us with weird tongue

[cyan crest]

It's actually after the sacrifice, sorry, but the thing is they have a small conversation

[scarlet basalt]

but now i really wonder if Rell got deleted by the void or he is still out there

[cyan crest]

He died, we assisted in that

His body was long gone, and we helped destroy his warframe, were his mind resided
He is dead

[scarlet basalt]

that's sad,but wow,this is something else in term of destroying a "void demon"

[ivory surge]

but I think he suffered well enough

[cyan crest]

He himself abandoned his body, and a warframe seems significantly easier to destroy than an operator body

[ivory surge]

speaking of Rell, we didn't see him in the Zariman flashmake in TNW did we?

[cyan crest]

Nope, we probably didn't know him personally

Which makes sense seeing the dimensions of the Zariman

[wicked iron]

I wonder if Rell made his choice to put himself permanently in his Harrow because he didn't realize we were effectively immortal...

[cyan crest]

Probably because we are not inmortal to age
Our "inmortality" only seems to work with physical damage, we haven't seen anything done to it by age
If he had to do it, it was because he had no other choice

[scarlet basalt]

it would be cool if MITW (or the narrative) show us a flashback on what was doing Rell inside the zariman by the time we were gone,since that dude got abandoned bcz of other being not tolerant
It would be...strange if he is an NPC inside the zariman....Because he is supposed to be dead

[cyan crest]

He is dead, we did that

[scarlet basalt]

hope he found peace by being suppressed to nothing,my man rell 👍

[craggy drum]

I mean we only saw one classroom worth of kids and in the second flashback there’s less kids implying that they left to find somewhere else to stay in.

And there must be waaayy more classrooms on the Sariman just going by the sheer size of it and presumed number of colonists that might have kids needing educating

[cyan crest]

There were 2 classrooms only in the floor we saw, there were probably a loooooooooot more in the ship

[ivory surge]

I realise that, but I wanted to meet Rell :(

[cyan crest]

His time passed, let him rest

[scarlet basalt]

i wonder who we will see as an NPC inside the zariman,other tenno ? It would be funny if baro was here

[wicked iron]

I don't think that's necessarily true. An unknown amount of time passed in The New War, but the Lotus immediately called the Drifter a liar when they said they're Tenno. Hopefully we'll find out more for certain with Angels of Zariman about our aging, though. XD Would love something definitive on it.

It would make Rell even more tragic if that's the case, though... Cuz then it would mean he consigned himself like that when he didn't need to. Makes his willingness to do so to protect everyone even sadder. q_q

[cyan crest]

Since all the kid characters are still kids, it's normal Lotus called the drifter a liar because no one else aged

[supple dagger]

Warframe also very much shows time posted is not a proper indication of age

[craggy drum]

Plus she might not have been aware of how much time had passed and might have assumed the Tenno would still look like the Operator

[supple dagger]

Or vice versa

[wicked iron]

True, indeed. I guess we'll find out in time, though. 😄

[scarlet basalt]

Nakak doesn't age
What kind of god is she ?

[cyan crest]

The God of not wanting to make other models for each year it passes were the game is still up

It's a very long title

[scarlet basalt]

they could have done like the drifter,make her taller lmao

[craggy drum]

Also I’m pretty sure that the average human lifespan is much higher than what we have.

Seeing as Darvo is like 150+ and doesn’t look like a mummified husk

[cyan crest]

Also probably there wasn't a lot of time between the start and end of the new war
I say a year or two at max

[scarlet basalt]

wait i thought they said 5 years after the war

[cyan crest]

Higher life spans don't need to mean slower aging tho

[cyan crest]

They said something?

Something, in general

[real niche]

I don't see anything suggesting a timeframe on the transcript

[scarlet basalt]

kinda forgot
But this could be an estimation with how there is foliage on orphix

[cyan crest]

Can we estimate based on fake foliage that's very genetically modified?

[swift pond]

Crackpot theory: Nakak is a Tenno that left the project and is messing around Cetus with her god powers.
Not even remotely true but it sounds funny.

[scarlet basalt]

nature is the enemy in this game

[scarlet basalt]

would be kinda funny and how it could connect her to the unum/revenant/eidolon

[cyan crest]

I add to this theory, Nakak is what happens when 99.9% of your body is replaced with credits
She abandoned her position at Anyo Corp to look for a simpler life

[swift pond]

Ah, of course. Credits don't age do they?

[cyan crest]

They... They should
You know, inflation

[swift pond]

That just means we need to add more credits to stay at 99.9%

[sturdy condor]

Make us use gun again

[deft void]

So, Tenno vs Archon boss fights, go.

[sturdy condor]

Probably not using amp

[deft void]

Give the tenno a weapon?

[sturdy condor]

Or at least amp for depleting shield or something else

[sturdy condor]

Yes

[deft void]

So like with Eldy?

[sturdy condor]

Eldy?

[deft void]

Eldiion, I can't spell it so I call it Eldy

[slim anvil]

i wanna see the operator holding a giant heavy blade like cloud's buster sword

[sturdy condor]

Eidolons?

[deft void]

Yush

[deft void]

Yes please.

[runic schooner]

yeah drifter with the rumblejack was a cool concept

[deft void]

Don't get me wrong, I love my Mirage but sometimes I just want to go Solid Snake.

[sturdy condor]

The weapon the tenno use can be from out gear (yes a child using a handheld grenade launcher) or the tenno use secondary only

[deft void]

So no comically large sword?

[runic schooner]

tenno w dual grakata be like

[sturdy condor]

If it does happen it's probably gonna have to be smaller unfortunately

[deft void]

"Tenno, the Lotus sent you to your... Is that a kid?" ~Vor.

[runic schooner]

"RATATATATATA" ~kid

[deft void]

"Okay, I've dealt with some stuff in my time but...kids? And is that an adult beside her...what in the name of the Queens is going on!"

"Multiverse theory."

[runic schooner]

"actually Vor, thats queen for you, not queens"

[deft void]

"Vor, you have a Void version of yourself in the same time as your current self, time is all screwed up."

Vor sits down on one of the crates and just tries to understand this, 30 minutes later, the Tenno is explaining the Void Jump and how there's two versions of themselves.

[runic schooner]

wait but if i understand correctly the drifter and operator cannot coexist at the same time in the same universe?

or have my life been a lie

[deft void]

Didn't the Drifter and Operator both show up with Lotus at the end?

[sturdy condor]

Probably not for too long

[deft void]

And they did show up in the Zariman but since the Zariman is in the Void...physics doesn't really apply.

[runic schooner]

but where was lotus

where is her chamber

[deft void]

Now that's a question I have... it's nowhere on the map.

Lua

It's in Lua, that's where we went in the Apostasy Prologue

[runic schooner]

ever since apostasy prologue we just sorta... touched her helmet in our quarters to teleport to her chamber

[swift pond]

Sort of like an inverse genie lamp where you're pulled in instead.

[supple dagger]

That was only for Apostasy, which Wally had a hand in

[past kiln]

Vor but he becomes Emperor of Narmer

[wicked iron]

I wonder... If Vor has encountered The Man in the Wall...

[thick jolt]

Wally keeps leaving drawings on the walls that vor has to clean up

[swift pond]

God help us if the neural sentry extends to the Zariman.

No penthouse is worth sharing a dimensional postcode with a broken record.

[cyan crest]

LOOK AT THEM

[arctic shuttle]

I was gonna say that there shouldn’t be a captain Vor in the Drifterverse because the Tenno wouldn’t have been around to end the orokin empire, making the grineer unlikely to split off, but then I realized that without the Tenno, the only viable weapons that the orokin had against the sentients were Necramechs and the Grineer, so the orokin would probably have fallen in that timeline anyway to the sentients. That is, unless the orokin created a new weapon, possibly based on the (at the time unsuccessful) Warframe concept. I wonder if that’s what the Dax-looking-orokin-horseman is in the Duviri trailer…

[swift pond]

That depends on whether the Zariman we explore is from Drifters timeline or ours.

[flat shadow]

Or another timeline entirely.

[past kiln]

Our timeline Zariman was rescued

[swift pond]

Well, good news then: nor Vor.

[cyan crest]

It is still half in the void so Vor can find his way into your flat and monolog to you for eternity

[swift pond]

I will not entertain the idea that neural sentries from disparate timelines can communicate and share Grineer Captians with each other.

[cyan crest]

Entertain it

I mean it should work since the technology is the same

[swift pond]

It's too much power.
Plus Vor needs to get out of his gilded man-cave and get a job.

[past kiln]

Narmer or Zariman Vor would be cool

[torpid lantern]

Yeah that Vor, such a freeloader

[ivory surge]

I just saw some lines, like a code appearing on my screen while I was loading in a mission but they were all blurred out

anyone knows what they are?

[swift pond]

Teaser for Second Dream

[thick jolt]

Old teaser for the second dream

[ivory surge]

oh

[swift pond]

Never bothered to take them back out so they're just there now.

[ivory surge]

lmao ok

they startled me

[swift pond]

More a surprise than Wally these days.

[torpid lantern]

I like em every time I see them. Reminds me how different things were back then.

[cunning copper]

Actually...now that TNW has released

What if the dax horseman is Teshin?

He in fairly close proximity to us when Ballas ran us through with paracesis, sending the operator and Lotus into the void

What if Teshin's body got sucked in too before he actually died?

[cyan crest]

I think Dax horsemen will be common enemies in the planes of Duviri

[cunning copper]

Could be

[cyan crest]

You perhaps can steal their horses like you can steal Dargyns

[cunning copper]

Actually...what if Teshin is part of the zariman faction?

Incredibly unlikely, sure

[cyan crest]

I hope he doesn't return

It just leaves any death meaningless if anyone can return from the grave
A problem a lot of franchises already suffer

[cunning copper]

The tenno have lost enough allies, they need to keep the few they have left

Otherwise Varzia really is the last living Dax, but she doesn't have the experience Teshin does

[cyan crest]

Let new characters take old roles, instead of reviving every dead character and untimely undermining character deaths as a whole
If a character dies, keep them dead, otherwise there are non consequences for the things that happens in a story

[cunning copper]

The only character thus far who has stayed dead since they died in the present is Tyl Regor

And Elder

[cyan crest]

And Vor returned, but completely changed factions and motivation, and basically became a new character
The others simply haven't canonicaly died

[cunning copper]

We blew up Hunhow's corpse, we deleted his allegedly bodiless consciousness from the Weave, and yet he still persists

[cyan crest]

Apart From Regor and Elder

[cyan crest]

We only expelled hunhow from the weave with the power of bad music, we didn't delete him

[cunning copper]

But we blew up his corpse

[cyan crest]

We sealed his tomb, with explosives, yes, but we only sealed his tomb

[cunning copper]

Lotus has us plant a bomb in the cave containing the alleged last living part of his body

Should that not have destroyed his body too?

[cyan crest]

To seal his tomb
As she says so

We are making it so the tomb is forever closed

Basically making rocks fall

[cunning copper]

Clearly it didn't work

[cyan crest]

He can't leave so I think it worked

[cunning copper]

But he wasn't even inside it during TNW

It's almost implied he was just biding his time and gathering his strength, not sealed away nor incapable of acting if he chose too

Last I checked, a "tomb" requires a corpse to be inside of it, or it isn't exactly qualified to be called a tomb

[craggy drum]

Hunhows body is dead, only his consciousness remains so a tomb it apt

[cyan crest]

He says himself he's dying, the only thing keeping him is the fact that Natah can be free
How is that "gathering his strength"?

[cunning copper]

If his consciousness is still around after a millenia or two, he's not exactly dead is he?

[cyan crest]

He can move it like
A bit
I wouldn't say it's dead, but it's definately not in peak condition

[cunning copper]

I wonder if now that he is almost an ally, if Lotus/Natah/Margulis could revive his body

She's free, the orokin are gone, the reason dor his hostilities no longer exists

[cyan crest]

Only if he promises to not try to kill us ;)

[cunning copper]

He gave us a bow made from his body (or at least other sentients), i doubt he'd try to kill us again

Especially after he helped us bring her back to life

He even made Stalker help us do it

[cyan crest]

I will only take a pinky promise

[cunning copper]

Well his daughter wants us alive

So...i doubt he'd anger her

[cyan crest]

Wait, I wonder if he even has a pinky to do that...

[cunning copper]

Erra (allegedly) died protecting us too

[past kiln]

Erra’s change of conciousness was slightly weird
Man was a die hard Narmer enthusiast

[swift pond]

It took us 7 years, but our step-family is finally accepting us

[cunning copper]

That makes two member of his family who helped us stop the 3rd member, and the last known orokin

[ivory surge]

do the Entrati count as orokin or just infested now?

[cyan crest]

I don't think the notion of Ballas coming to Tau and taking over the sentients there, and killing whatever sentient stayed behind enthusiasted Erra, specially after the talk he had with his dad

[past kiln]

They’re still Orokin

[ivory surge]

"it's not a phase daaaad"

[past kiln]

Oh and Worm is also an Orokin

[cyan crest]

And I mean, he saw Ballas killing some of their most powerful soldiers in a fit of anger more proper of a six year old rich kid

Not the guy you wanna stick around with

"waaaaah, tenno don't want to be my slaaaaaves, it's not faaaaaair"

This is the time when the "BUT NOT THEM" pic would be handy

[ivory surge]

ballas pog

no wait

that's surprised ballas face

yeah that's better

[cunning copper]

Technically

[cyan crest]

Yeah if you were around when this happened you would question your loyalty

[cunning copper]

Entirely grineer body, we broke and stole their only remaining orokin relic

Nothing is left that proves they are orokin

[past kiln]

Tbh I bet Erra was laughing off camera

[cyan crest]

"holy void how have I been following this guy for so long my father was right I am stupid"

[cunning copper]

But the kuva siphons interacting with our powers has yet unknown consequences that Lotus implies is very bad

[past kiln]

Do wonder how the new war would go if Erra managed to actually make Ballas his slave or whatever. Might’ve not happened in the first place but 🤷

[cunning copper]

Probably would have gone worse

[cyan crest]

Birdman was incompetent enough as a henchman, imagine if he was the mastermind

[cunning copper]

There were presumably far less casualties because Ballas wanted control

Erra wouldn't have cared

[ivory surge]

there we go

the lowest meme effort I could make

[supple dagger]

I always forget the internet is like this

[swift pond]

The face of a man who ruined the system because his step-children didn't give him the time of day.

[past kiln]

At least he looked cool while doing it

[swift pond]

I wanted his hat as decor, not that stick he called a staff.

[cyan crest]

He looked like a blue guy sitting in a high chair with a trash can in is head

[past kiln]

But yea making everyone wear feel-good headsets and then trying to eat the sun because you hate certain children so much is pretty cringe tbh

[cyan crest]

We are not talking about wearing a trash can as a hat, right

Ooooh, I think I get it, it's a metaphor

Cause he is trash

[past kiln]

Though I think Erra as emperor would look cooler and I wish it happened

[cyan crest]

Smart DE, smart...

[ivory surge]

I'm sorry

[craggy drum]

The “BUT NOT THEM” thing is funnier with his hands balled into fists… really completes the “tantruming toddler” vibe

[cyan crest]

This is the face of the man that almost completely erased life from existance

[past kiln]

Why does he have an orb floating around
It’s not centered or anything

[cyan crest]

That's the earth

[ivory surge]

I can't stop laughing

[cyan crest]

He was looking at it in the cutscene

[past kiln]

Mainly why is it so off center
It looks hilarious in the but not them image

[slim spoke]

Damn bruh

[craggy drum]

Looks better when he’s pondering it because you can’t see how horrifically off centre it is

[cyan crest]

I like how Erra is looking at Ballas thinking "damn I regret all the life choices that led to this very moment"

[ivory surge]

"why did I join forces with this overgrown toddler"

[past kiln]

“Maybe I should take his hat for myself”

[craggy drum]

That’s for sure the moment Erra realised just how badly he mucked up by helping Ballas Lol

[ivory surge]

wait wasn't Ballas on a leash before?

[past kiln]

That was a cover

[ivory surge]

what the heck happened?

[cyan crest]

"My father was right, I should have stayed in the family business"

[cyan crest]

Someone hasn't seen all the prologues

[craggy drum]

It was a ploy to better manipulate Natah

[past kiln]

Coz he knew Natah wouldn’t have reacted positively if ballas was presented as in charge iirc

[ivory surge]

ooooh

the audacity

[past kiln]

I do wish the leash portion represented who was actually in charge though

[cyan crest]

That or Ballas and him were in a relationship and that was some kinky stuff

[past kiln]

LMAO

[ivory surge]

no

stop

I do not want these kind of images in my head

[cyan crest]

kinky Ballas kinky ballas

[ivory surge]

you are a menace against god

[past kiln]

you know you’re the first person I’ve seen interpret it this way

[swift pond]

Alright, now it's time for me to go 😂

[cunning copper]

It's interesting how much insight his dialogue through the veil actually gave

Just invert literally everything he says

He couldn't stand us simply because Margulis chose unconditional love and trying to cure us over being with him

[delicate axle]

Just finished the new war and it was bonkers

[wicked pike]

DE didn't have to go so dang hard on the new war soundtrack yet they did. mad lads.

[deft void]

"I am all eyes,
I am all ears,
I am The Wall,
And I'm watching you fall,
Because Faith is mine!" ~Ghost

You have to admit, it fits TMITW perfectly.

[past kiln]

Archon fight theme is so good

[rain prawn]

i saved nira for last on purpose

[cunning copper]

I was glad I saved amar for last on my first playthrough

My second go round, i wished I did it again white trying to defeat him without a warframe

He is so mobile you basically can't get away from him

[wicked pike]

im still unreasonably happy they didnt give amar rhino's iron skin. or any of the archons their respective warframe abilities.

[cunning copper]

If Amar had iron skin...

[real niche]

You wanted to deal with Iron Skin? Ew.

[cunning copper]

Read his message again, lol

[real niche]

I apparently didn't read it the first time

I read it as "reasonably unhappy"

[cunning copper]

Amar was enough of a pain with the abilities he did have, Iron Skin would have made that fight so much worse

Nira and Boreal were easy as drifter

Amar was hell by comparison

[past kiln]

fr
amar was too mobile for a drifter

while we're on the subject of archons, if they found a way to make the one you fight as a warframe much tankier i'd like that
it was pretty hilarious how easy the last one went down

[cunning copper]

My first playthrough i immediately decided he was last before i knew anything about them

My second playthrough, i fought him first and I regretted every second of it

[wicked iron]

Amar was easy for me, as Drifter.

[cunning copper]

It was because of Amar I actually learned you could fail an archon fight as drifer

[wicked iron]

I don't think any of them gave me any particular trouble with Drifter (replayed it when it was on the test server and left a different one for last).

[cunning copper]

The others were downed before they could down me a second time

Amar was just way too mobile, his attacks were too fast and too wide reaching to dodge with any consistency

[torpid lantern]

Wait you can fail? I thought Stalker shows up, shaking his head at you being a noob and silent judges you while he heals your dumb tushy

[cunning copper]

He does

But if you get downed again too quickly, you have to restart the fight

[torpid lantern]

Whoa

[cunning copper]

Fighting amar taught me that

[torpid lantern]

I thought it was kinda interesting how they all run away at 1/3rd health

Like a pokemon battle with a legendary. A scary scary legendary.

[cunning copper]

Not helped by the fact his clone jutsu made way too many to check with a single scan pulse

More often than not, i couldn't find his real body

Not even a concern with a warframe, just blast the entire room with an aoe or an explosive weapon

Think i failed against amar's 2nd round three times before I killed him

[wicked iron]

Wait WAT

I didn't even know that can happen. XD

[torpid lantern]

I uh... didnt get downed or anything. I totally learned this some other way.... haha..

[wicked iron]

The Tenno are the true Legendaries in Warframe... >=3

[wicked iron]

Nothing against anyone who did get downed. I just didn't know this could happen. :O

That's cool.

[cunning copper]

Even when you kill us, reality says "rejected" and spits out another one

[wicked iron]

I purposely died when using Snake to hear the Metal Gear reference. 10/10 would do again. XD

[torpid lantern]

Honestly with how many Warframes there are, the operators are basically supercharged pokemon masters.
Warframe masters.

[cunning copper]

We are now anyway

[deft void]

Snake?

[cunning copper]

Back then, we presumably only used one frame

[torpid lantern]

SNAAAAAKE

[torpid lantern]

I still think canonically most Tenno only have a couple Warframes. Finding the blueprints for these parts are not easy. And they don't have a wiki to help them find them. Also how would drops even work in reality?

[wicked iron]

Darvo, probably. And Teshin. The in-game mail stuff works for it, lore-wise, I think. 😄

[torpid lantern]

Maybe that's why Varzia is so popular. She brings the real deal. No more climbing through icky infested ships looking for a dead warframe

[deft void]

And relics?

[cunning copper]

I like to imaginr after second dream, tenno in clans would share the designs of warframes to increase the total viability of everyone in it

Why wouldn't they? Unless of course its harder to use different warframes than it looks

[deft void]

Look up the Equinox lore from Train man...its PAINFUL

You take on the personality of the frame...sort of. Excalibur was the most balanced...mentally.

BASE Excalibur

[torpid lantern]

They definitely do seem to share the frames memories and/or personalities with those stances. And maybe that's why we can use Umbra's on any frames. Because the Tenno connected with him on a very deep level and gained his mannerisms.

[supple dagger]

I would hesitate to use stances as a source of anything myself

[weak harness]

Why did it take me too long to realize you can customize Space Mom beyond switching between Lotus/Margulis/Natah?

[fossil fractal]

i think its really supposed to make you feel strong

[supple dagger]

Yeah

[jaunty wyvern]

Teshin dies in the new war, correct?

[cyan crest]

Yes

If we are lucky he stays dead

[jaunty wyvern]

And gets replaced with a hologram?

[cyan crest]

Correct

[jaunty wyvern]

Then what about this?

[cyan crest]

Either something they forgot to change or you have creator mode on

[jaunty wyvern]

Ok then, thanks

[supple dagger]

gimme that primary

[icy ore]

I bow before this primary, it’s so good

[little dragon]

Nataruk op af

I love using it

[cunning copper]

Sometimes I wish his lore was the actual lore

[deft void]

Me too tho :(

[supple dagger]

Bruh don't get my hopes up xd

[cyan crest]

If he revives I riot

[past kiln]

Fr Erra is the better space uncle

[supple dagger]

Is he though?

Wasn't it a she? I'm disappointed

[cyan crest]

How would you think that when he is refered as a he multiple times

[cunning copper]

Also by the fact that Natah called him "brother"

[real niche]

:)

[past kiln]

Yes

[scarlet basalt]

Once angel of zariman will be out,there will be a massive surge in warframe roleplay

[fleet veldt]

Betting Angels of the Zariman'll be out 29th of April at the earliest.

[ivory surge]

wait if Natah is our space mom and Erra is our space uncle... does that mean that Hunhow is our space grandpa?

[fleet veldt]

Yes. He even had us undergo his imitation of a Mastery Test to learn how to use Nataruk.

[craggy drum]

See I’m excited for having a new space to decorate and make my own…

But also as a Valkyr main, I’m wanting that new deluxe too

Though I am interested to play the quest and see what’s going on (most likely just to get hyped for the Duviri Paradox)

I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of stuff coming with AoZ. I only expected a short quest a la Heart of Deimos and some new mission types but there’s so much more coming and I’m currently unable to buy any new games due to having already budgeted my money on something at the start of the year lol

[ivory surge]

Grandpa was trying to bond with his grandchild lol

[fleet veldt]

For the sake of his daughter's protection, yes. It's among the few things keeping him from shutting down.

[cunning copper]

I think he only did that to confirm the drifter could even use it

[fleet veldt]

Hence, it was a test.

[cunning copper]

I don't mean as a skill test

I mean to confirm the drifter could actually draw the bow in the first place

[opal rapids]

not gonna lie, I kinda enjoyed the "prove yourself" elevator ride the first time.

[fleet veldt]

I know. I was just saying that Hunhow 'phrased' the whole matter in a way akin to Natah/Lotus's Mastery Tests - at least that's how I imagine it upon recollection.

[cunning copper]

We know the corinth has enough recoil to nearly kick right out of a grineer's grip every time it fires

And warframes casually use it like a minor nuisance

Does a corinth even have recoil for a warframe?

[fleet veldt]

Or rather, does Corinth's recoil even register to a Warframe? Unlikely, but the Tenno would still feel it because Transference.

[cunning copper]

If we applied that logic to their bows, i imagine it would be like the Predator Bow from Crysis 3

Where unless you have the strength of a nanosuit (warframe), you couldn't budge the string

[ivory surge]

you need to consider that warframe are machines created just for war

and grineer... are like a ball of flesh

[cunning copper]

Not machines, but yes they are made for war

[ivory surge]

yeah I know what you mean, organic fused with mechanism

[cunning copper]

What was the predator bow's draw weight in crysis 3? Like some 6000lbs max?

[fleet veldt]

That's the case with heavy blades and most other weapons - especially the Galatine, if its description holds sway.

However, the Tenno may be leveraging Void energy in the same way a Mage may buff themselves with +STR spells before donning a full enchanted suit of magic-driven power armour.

[cunning copper]

Imagine a grineer or dax trying to use a Daikyu

[fleet veldt]

Dax trying to use Daikyu is more likely. Only Grineer who could try to pull would be augmented or are Liches (I mean seriously look at the Bramma).

[cunning copper]

Regardless

We know they don't have the strength

I can't see a longbow that even takes a Rhino a full second to draw, being used by anything less than a warframe level of strength

For all we know, if we ever see one, a Daikyu Prime might take even more strength

Picturing a dax trying to use a daikyu all i see is that big bow from dark souls that gets planted in the ground

The dax desperately trying to pull it back but not having the strength to use it

[velvet spoke]

plot twist: Daikyu was originally designed to be part of a ballista and a tenno at one point just ripped it apart during a battle.

[cunning copper]

When you consider the force even a mk 1 paris arrow would need to have to just drag bodies with it several dozen meters through the air.

I can't see a dax actually managing to use one

Let alone a daikyu

I can however easily see them trying anyway as a test of strength

[supple dagger]

They likely could, Dax are just as enhanced as Warframes are, we beat them by having the advantage in powers

[supple dagger]

The corpus are the only faction that wouldn't be able to. Grineer are just as strong or stronger than frame thank to their cybernetic enhancements

[cunning copper]

Not all grineer have cybernetic limbs

And I really don't see every dax being just as physically strong as a warframe

The upper ranks like Teshin and Umbra, yeah probably

[supple dagger]

I mean, even the most basic grineer (your scorpions and butchers) is lugging around at least 500 to 1000 lbs of armor since Lancers are about 1 ton

[cunning copper]

They are supposed to be genetically augmented compared to regular people

But only defective limbs or damaged ones get replaced, and even then only to basic functionality unless its a high ranking grineer

I don't exactly see a scorpion canonically having the strength to yank a Rhino off their feet, they look too frail

Even though yes, DE gives most gameplay mechanics an in-lore explanation. I don't see it

[supple dagger]

The exact same logic applies to Warframes since every Warframe is in the same strength bracket as presented

[real niche]

The metal skin isn't that thick, if Umbra's anything to go by. I would assume they aren't that heavy considering their athletic ability

[supple dagger]

The athletics is most definitely supported by some type of system

Can't explain how much they defy gravity otherwise

[craggy drum]

Considering how much mobility they lose when the Heart of Deimos is damaged… probably some Void magic muckery.

The cant even sprint, let alone bullet jump

[swift pond]

Sprinting is for wizards only

[silent egret]

Any Homeworld players see vague resemblance? only me?

[supple dagger]

My operators looking a bit bland anyone know where i can get like new suits and a good way to mix em

[craggy drum]

Onkko and Little Duck have Operator suits in their offerings, Teshin also has the Bishamo suit, all parts are sold separately (hood, legs, sleeves etc)

Nightwave has previously had the Emissary Suit as a reward that might come back in a future Nightwave.

There’s also the Templar Prime suit that comes with Harrow Prime accessories pack but that will only be available until the 28th now as Garuda Prime will be launched then and replace Harrow Prime

There’s a few other Prime suits but they’re not available atm as their respective Prime Vaults aren’t going on

[supple dagger]

oh alr thanks

[opal rapids]

There's already the Zephyr skin that has a corresponding op suit

Harrier

[craggy drum]

Oh aye that one too.

[cunning copper]

And the other operator suits/cosmetics you can buy with plat

[steady fable]

Too bad the Operator's cosmetic doesn't fit the Drifter :/ I liked my Orphan stuff

[fleet veldt]

Steve did say they were thinking of and/or trying to retopologize (resizing to fit) the Operator stuff to fit Drifter and how not all of it would work and things of the sorts. Was in a Devstream somewhen.

[zenith jacinth]

Trying to

During the AoZ stream iirc

[cunning copper]

I at least want the harrier suit on my drifter

[opal rapids]

We have promises of that working better soon

[cunning copper]

The Harrier Suit is literally the only reason i'm still using my operator

[steady fable]

Nice !

[cunning copper]

Because it looks way better than anything the drifter has access to

[zenith jacinth]

I use operator because I don't want to play a character that looks like tennobama

[cunning copper]

I like drifter better because they can backflip, and they have better voice lines

[opal rapids]

I use op because drifter doesn't do androgynous

[steady fable]

I like the "older Tenno" vibes... Like, it shows that time has passed since the start of the gmae...!

[steady fable]

Ah, a fellow they/them I see

[opal rapids]

Yes

🫂

[cunning copper]

"What's it gonna be pal, discussion or concussion?"

[swift pond]

The full Harrow P suit looks better on Drifter than Operator.
That's all the excuses I have really.

Otherwise I'm too sad they didn't keep their abilities from the quest.

[cunning copper]

Same

It also annoys me they can't use a shawzin or k-drive either

Nor any of the kata nartas

Aka solstice, eclipse, fathom, and aquarid

[swift pond]

I think mere exposure factors too. I spent more time on Op, their cosmetics, and (headcanon) personality. I don't know the next thing about Drifter in comparison and haven't had the same time to invest.

I'll probably change my tune when DE prompts us to prepare Drifter for the next quest and forces me to invest time into them like with Op. 😆

[opal rapids]

I'm tempted to buy the Harrow Prime accessories but IDK if I should spend $50 on operator cosmetics

🥲

[cunning copper]

It comes down to the fact that Drifter Heron has a personality more in line with me than Operator Heron does

[swift pond]

If a full suit is worth fiddy bones to you, go for it. If you have any doubts, play it safe. 🙂

[cunning copper]

Well it also comes with plat

[swift pond]

Well, that too but the point stands.

[opal rapids]

Drifter Heron is also quietly androgynous and gives me life

[shell yacht]

Back Flippp??

[scenic shoal]

Poop

[cunning copper]

Hold the aim button and press roll

Drifter, like warframes can backflip

[shell yacht]

K will try l8r

[swift pond]

I've used Raven this whole time, never really changed it since then from not being bothered to.

[shell yacht]

Same everything else just don't fit

[cunning copper]

In TNW, the different voices had different lines

[opal rapids]

what

[cunning copper]

And honestly, Drifter Heron is basically my personality so it fit perfectly with my reactions

[swift pond]

Well dang it, I gotta play the quest again-again both for screenshots and voicelines.

Nah, I'll just stick to screenshots I haven't gotten to yet.

[opal rapids]

I'm rioting

[zenith jacinth]

What

[cunning copper]

Only drifter heron refers to Natah as "lady" when she goes after Ballas

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter owl does that too tho?

[craggy drum]

Did they? I played through as Raven and Heron and didn’t notice any different lines

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm

Wait, the voice names confuse me

Sorry. I'm stupid

[cunning copper]

They are birds

[swift pond]

Same, why birds

[cunning copper]

Heron and falcon are male

[zenith jacinth]

I know, I just can't sort them into voices

[swift pond]

I need to hear what Owl sounds like tbh

[zenith jacinth]

I thought owl was male?

[swift pond]

See if I change my mind on it.

[zenith jacinth]

Op owl is bad, but drifter owl is cool

[cunning copper]

I may be wrong

I've literally only used heron

[swift pond]

I'll have to turn on Operator transmissions and start getting used to them.
Man, I have never done that before have I?

[zenith jacinth]

I never turned them off because they don't bother me

Another reason why I don't use drifter

[craggy drum]

Raven says the sane thing

I think all the lines are the same for all voices, just like the og VAs in older quests

[swift pond]

I turned them off because I wasn't too enthused with them when they were revealed in Second Dream, so I largely ignored the little goblin. New War kinda changed that though.

[opal rapids]

I like the backseat driver comments

[zenith jacinth]

Technically not really backseat driver

[opal rapids]

At the time I names the kiddo that they were

Then we went to Tenno camp with uncle Teshin

[swift pond]

The Man in the 4th Wall

[craggy drum]

So why say with such certainty that Heron Drifter was the only one that called her lady? When that’s not true? Look up any playthrough where they chose drifter. They all say the same lines

[cunning copper]

Not what that reply was in reference to

[craggy drum]

But you said this not long before and after, even if it was referring to something else you stated that you literally only use Heron lol

[cunning copper]

Your point?

I don't feel the need to replay a quest on each voice just to hear the voice lines

[swift pond]

Wait, does Drifter not have the same cut-ins as Operator?

[cunning copper]

No

[swift pond]

I feel robbed.

[cunning copper]

Honestly, the voices should have different lines because their personalities are different

A fact that is demonstrable with the lines Drifter uses on the voice selection menu being unique to that voice

[supple dagger]

Operator is the same. The voice options aren't different personalities, just different inflections and ranges

[craggy drum]

That would require paying for individual scripts and more time spent writing and approving them. When it’s more efficient and cost effective to just have the same script and leave it to the VAs to use their own intuition to put the personality in their delivery.

The line “but you have to want it” by Wally has a different feel comparing Raven to Heron, just due to delivery

[cunning copper]

Ah yes, because there certainly aren't numerous ways to say the exact same thing with different words

[supple dagger]

IRL, it's cost reasons, yeah

In game, they're all still the same person personality and everything

[shell yacht]

Are we sure personality ain't based on choices reflected on that white and black ying yang thing if it is a possibility

[supple dagger]

Mildly. The sun moon meter is about your personal morality

[craggy drum]

Yes.

The only thing that gives is something on your profile indicating the choices you’ve made whenever you get a sun/neutral/moon choice.

[craggy drum]

Not so much morality. DE have said several times that they’re not good/bad… really just personal choice

[supple dagger]

That is morality though

It's just not flat out good or bad

Well, morality and emotional response together

[craggy drum]

They also did a forum post by Teshin about it that explicitly states that it’s not good/evil. It’s about making the choice as you see fit

[zenith jacinth]

Active vs passive

[supple dagger]

Yes, still your personal morals

Not good or evil, just what you think is right

[shell yacht]

So If so does it effect any difference in dialogue as previous tenno mentioned

[cunning copper]

It has nothing to do with morality

It's emotion or logic

[craggy drum]

No there’s no change to regular character dialogue based on your leaning.

The only acknowledgment is Helminth who has a different line for the Operator based on which way you’re leaning.

But the personality of the Tenno in their lines is the same.

[shell yacht]

Ok cool just clearing this up for everyone here about this voice line thing. Cause I was confused for a sec even though Raven will always be my voice of choice. They should add more though

[supple dagger]

That's not mutually exclusive. Emotion and logic very much play a part in morality

[cunning copper]

You are missing the point as bad as Erra trusting Ballas

[simple python]

It's Active and Passive. Equinox showcases Yin-Yang in the game.

Which is what it is. Her Prime form's a bit more wonky looking about the concept but her stock form definitely shows it off with the bisected colors.

[supple dagger]

Equinox is certainly an active versus passive, but the meter didn't quite fufill that

[subtle crown]

I always interpreted it as "others feelings are more important than mine" vs "my feelings are more important than others" as a sort of sliding scale.
Both sides can be rather active or passive as needed in the situation.
Hence in the first quest it was used sun was all gung ho about saving others and moon was all "edgy teenager".
Then as the quests went on sun was usually the more empathetic option while moon went "lets hunt adults for sport".

[cyan crest]

Big emotion, no emotion, the middle one

[subtle crown]

Big emotion, no emotion, “you’re a logistics contractor Harry”

[cyan crest]

I don't get it but I am that last one because the other choices are dumb sometimes

[subtle crown]

Which is much closer to real life.

Some are in bunkers, some pick up guns, some give humanitarian and supply support.

[cyan crest]

I mean yeah but when I'm comforting a teen that's clearly traumatized I don't get why some people would outright tell him "no, your mama is not coming"
And that's why I mostly don't pick the moon choices

[torpid lantern]

Teshin explained what they all meant which was that Sun is driven by passion and moon by pragmatism and neutral is kinda just letting others decide

[cyan crest]

And the sun choices sometimes are "look at how many bad decisions I can take in 3 seconds" so I stay in the boring middle

[torpid lantern]

So like sometimes passion is great! But sometimes you need to stop and think for once. And being pragmatic can really help too but then there's times when empathy would be better

[subtle crown]

There is just so much more nuance than white/black can represent. Especially in a game where min maxing is super normal.

[cyan crest]

And yet in some quests it seems like it's a more normal "good/bad" meter

[subtle crown]

The first quest was the most egregious on that front.

[torpid lantern]

I'd be more excited about it if the profiles kept q list of the choices and built a profile for the character

Chekyah! Kicking butts and taking names!

[cyan crest]

Yes, war within's choices are either "I held hope to be an example to the others because I'm such a hero" or "I killed my mom, and his mom, and her mom, and their mom too"

[subtle crown]

Yup.

[torpid lantern]

Wait what?

There was so much more to those

How.. is that all you remember

[cyan crest]

because it's the one that made me look bad at the sun path

[subtle crown]

[The War Within] I held out hope
[The War Within] I hated it
[The War Within] Let her rot
[The War Within] Destroy

[The War Within] They had lost their minds
[The War Within] I controlled it
[The War Within] I will do it
[The War Within] Control

[The War Within] They were nothing but animals
[The War Within] I embraced it
[The War Within] Kill her
[The War Within] Consume

[cyan crest]

Because while the others do stuff, like hunt or build makeshift prisons, the sun guys "hold out hope"
That's literally nothing

[torpid lantern]

That's actually not a bad thing. They gave positivity and encouragement to others while most were consumed with fear and depression and paranoia. That's HUGE during trauma

[subtle crown]

That was our first introduction to the system. Glast Gambit decision was nowhere near as extreme. The snackrifice was basically the opposite, then new war was "reality/logistics/comfortable lies"

[The New War] Something went wrong with the jump...
[The New War] We're on our own...
[The New War] Natah

[The New War] We need to stay quiet...
[The New War] We'll be your family for awhile...
[The New War] Lotus

[The New War] We're in this together...
[The New War] Your mom will come...
[The New War] Margulis

[cyan crest]

My point is that the sun options are much more heroic than the moon options, that male your tenno look like a little psycho running around with superpowers
In the war within

[subtle crown]

[The Sacrifice] Wrath.
[The Sacrifice] The war...
[The Sacrifice] Squirm like the maggot you are.

Sacrifice sun, super heroic.

[cyan crest]

In the war within

[torpid lantern]

I do wonder where the logic is in drinking the kuva

[cyan crest]

I should have clarified

[subtle crown]

Yeah, I do hope there is some payoff for the kuva decision.

[torpid lantern]

I dont remember what I chose back then...

I wish we could redo. Some of us made the choices 6 years ago

[cyan crest]

I think I gave it to Teshin, because "control" is the vaguest thing ever and I didn't know what it meant

[subtle crown]

I was full moon in war within, then just stayed perfect moon until Natah ruined it.

[torpid lantern]

Is there any way to find out our original choice?

[cyan crest]

I think just one choices barely even moves your meter
I chose 2 consecutive suns in New war and stayed a perfect balance

[subtle crown]

My guess is the decisions have a certain amount of "weight" to them.

Like one decision is worth 3 sun points while another is only worth 1.

[cyan crest]

Makes sense

[torpid lantern]

I'm so scared I drank the kuva when I was using an "edgy" Tenno Hahaha..

[cyan crest]

Balance ones must be equal points of each or something

[torpid lantern]

[subtle crown]

Either 0 or they are worth points towards the middle.

[torpid lantern]

Middle points

[subtle crown]

Like my previous full moon a balance option might be worth 2 sun points.

But for a mostly sun person they might be 1 moon point.

[torpid lantern]

It has to be counter points

Because it wouldnt work as 0

[cyan crest]

Aaaaaand that's another indicator that the war within was more of a "hero/not so hero“ dichotomy than "logic/emotion"

[subtle crown]

Still salty over what Natah/Lotus/Margulis decision being tied to the system.

[cyan crest]

You'll fix it the next quest

[subtle crown]

Absolutely.

[icy ore]

Perfectly unbalanced, as all thing should be

[torpid lantern]

No? Before Faeii, I legit had a character that I tried to use as many risking choices as I could so she was a mix of neutral and moon. It's the kuva that worries me. Did I pick control or drink...

[cyan crest]

I meant the Kuva choice in general, it fits "edgy" more than it fits "pragmatic"

[torpid lantern]

Hmm

[subtle crown]

But yeah.
War within: hero/punisher
Glast gambit: Rogue from the x-men
Sacrifice: angy/emo
New war: reality/comfortable lies

[icy ore]

I think I threw it on the ground

[subtle crown]

I know I consumed it. I remember that my op heard voices and was disoriented. But I also recall that other alignments also heard voices.

[torpid lantern]

I mean.. drink is the only one that ensures no one else can use it..?

Destroy, didn't they just throw it?

[subtle crown]

I think so?

[icy ore]

No, they pour it on the ground

[cyan crest]

They open the flask and pour it aaaall in the ground until it's empty

[cyan crest]

Everyone heard Wallman at the end, but he was only proud of you if you drank it

[subtle crown]

In all our defense, the quest was Nov 2016.

[wicked iron]

I drank the Kuva.

Mmmm, blood of ancient Orokin ancestors tastes like Cool-Aid.

[cyan crest]

I guess it also has an oily texture
Not exactly my dream drink

[wicked iron]

I wonder what Kuva actually is... Teshin said some believe it to be blood, and other things, but what is it really?

[subtle crown]

Given that it's collected from the air...

[cyan crest]

My theory is that it's the realspace equivalent to void energy

But that's just a theory

[subtle crown]

That phrase is forever ruined.

[cyan crest]

Oh no

Not matpat

[subtle crown]

Maybe like how in the ocean some species filter feed on microscopic life invisible to the naked eye, in the warframe universe there is a similar thing but airborne.

Would help explain why it seemingly has a gel like texture when condensed.

[cyan crest]

It's something... Magical for sure, given its relation with the void and how it helps someone swap bodies, but it's nature is a mystery...
Mmm, I would like a kuva equivalent to Wallman but that's too much

[subtle crown]

Is it related to the void?

The Orokin were using it long before void research even started.

[cyan crest]

They react negatively to each other

That's the relation I meant

[subtle crown]

So does water and most things tbh.

[cyan crest]

Yeah but the void created Requiem relics as a response to Kuva experiments according to Steve, and water doesn't do that

Void powers are also the only way to destroy kuva clouds and damage kuva braids and those kuva things

The way they both allow to put your mind in another body is also something to note

[subtle crown]

Well, technically speaking kuva doesn't natively have that property. You need to refine it to the point it changed from red to blue before it can.

Then that is only temporary unless you use red kuva afterwards to make the change permanent.

[cyan crest]

Bluva is certainly not mandatory part of the process, since the queen didn't neet to use it when she was obviously trying to continuity her way into us, and we don't know it's nature properly given how it's only presented in the Naberus story, a children's tale

We also don't know if bluva is just refined Red kuva, or something else entirely but of similar nature

[swift pond]

Keep in mind Bluuva was only revealed/written for Grandma's spooky Naberus story.

[subtle crown]

Perhaps blueva was required for people without native transference.

After all, all the slaves in the Yakutan theatres wouldn't have that ability.

[cyan crest]

Or perhaps bluva was only used for temporary continuity and red kuva just seals the deal as a secondary effect, being able to be used in Yuvan theaters alone

Bluva might not even be real

[subtle crown]

Sorry, Yuvan theatre.

[cyan crest]

It's normal, they're only mentioned once

[craggy drum]

Bluva just seems like a way to test drive your new skin suit.

Kind of a “try before you buy”

[subtle crown]

Narratively speaking it would make sense to separate the effects. Otherwise all the red kuva all the grineer would have been body swapped into regular humans.

"These massive stockpiles one faction has cannot function in the way that would benefit them the most"

Grineer brain and loyalty, a body that lasts for decades instead of weeks.

[cyan crest]

If they have enough kuva for billions or trillions of grineer

And those bodies wouldn't have the loyalty to the Queens, since that's somehow genetic

[subtle crown]

The genetic thing I don't 100% fully believe.

They're all test tube babies, literally. From their very first few neuron cells they would be heavily brainwashed. Then the incredibly short lifespans they simply might not live long enough for the brainwashing to wear off fully.

Like some of the most advanced grineer generals and leaders live for years and while they still show reverence towards the queens they are seemingly independent. Like Tyl Regor. While bankrolled by the queens his real motives are restoring genetic integrity.

Kela de Thaym is similar. "Queens are great and all but what about this arena!"

[cyan crest]

Yeah but they still do that for the bigger grineer faction and therefore for the queens
Tyl's genetic thingies are important for the main faction and for the Queens, Rathuum is there to rise grineer morale, and so on

[subtle crown]

Raise morale and punish dissenters. The punishment is a key part.

"What if the queens aren't that great?"
"Publically televised death for you"

[cyan crest]

Yes

Kela might be a bit too enthusiastic with it

[subtle crown]

It's why I don't fully believe it's 100% genetic. The queens put in a LOT of work keeping everyone loyal.

[cyan crest]

Still, bluva is probably not a necessary part of the process, if it was someone would have said "oh look you are so special you don't need blue kuva haha it's cause void powers" in War within
Bluva is either an afterthought, an unrelated thing to proper continuity or a fictional thing even in universe

I forgot this started cause Bluva

[swift pond]

Yep, only source we have is a Halloween campfire story. Not as reliable as a Simaris archive or Codex entry.

[subtle crown]

It devolved into this bcause if red kuva was enough then the queens would have just body hoppped constantly.

[cyan crest]

Which they did
Elder just wanted a body that wasn't rotting

[subtle crown]

Both queens bodies are rotting. they are surrounded by a pool of kuva and could kidnap humans at any time.

There is something missing that red kuva alone cannot do.

Even if that missing part was the scepter.

[cyan crest]

Mmm, yeah, that's a good point, why didn't they kidnap people to use as yuvans? , still, they did jump from body to body, just using grineer bodies, which isn't that good of an idea imo

[subtle crown]

Like even the broken scepter can drain enemies.

Something, somewhere doesn't quite add up how it should. The apparent existence of this bluva might be part of the missing puzzle.

[cyan crest]

Even then it doesn't explain why they continuited into grineer bodies and not normal human bodies

[subtle crown]

Kuva was so secretive during the empire that knowledge of its existence was highly guarded and even seeing it could result in your execution.

[cyan crest]

Yes

And somehow these outcasts had access to it, enough to last for millennia

[subtle crown]

With the twins exiled they might know a big part of it but not the entirety of it.

Like concrete from ancient rome. The recipe was legit lost for centuries until chemical spectral analysis told us the missing part.

[cyan crest]

They knew enough to be able to use it
If they were able to, it means either they knew about bluva or bluva isn't necessary, if they could use humans to use as Yuvans for their armies then perhaps they just don't have enough kuva to do it, and only do it to the lichens, which even then have grineer bodies
Someone in grineer command is not very smart

[subtle crown]

The Entrati family doing void research would undoubtedly have small samples of kuva for research pusposes due to how volatile they react with each other, as you highlighted. But only Grandmother having the story of what happened in a Yuvan theatre, possibly thanks to her son using it himself, would explain why she knows.

[cyan crest]

It wasn't even in a yuvan theater, it was in some orokin's residence

[subtle crown]

Varzia has seen, but she actively wants to forget the horrors she witnessed.

[cyan crest]

And it's apparently a famous orokin Halloween tale
Well, Naberus tale

[subtle crown]

Yeah, it sitting around in some Orokins residence I can see truthfully happening. It's honestly kind of bonkers the kinds of things obscenely wealthy people have just sitting around in their house.

[cyan crest]

Didn't some guy buy a real skull covered in diamonds?

[subtle crown]

"For the love of God"

Apparently wikipedia links are banned in here.

[cyan crest]

pictures aren't

You could try that

[cyan crest]

That's terrifying

Imagine dying and being used as a decoration

Then again, the orokin would totally do this

[wicked iron]

Let's try to stay focused on Warframe. 😄

I'm just going to remove a few posts, for flow's sake. 🙂

[subtle crown]

This is at least tangentially related.

Orokin elite being obscenely wealthy and having crazy expensive things just lying around their house.

[wicked iron]

Leaving a few of the messages, but the conversation was starting to partially derail, is all. 🙂

[supple dagger]

Because the Elder Queen didn't want normal people bodies, she wanted the perfect body.