spoiler-chat

[rugged spruce]

I didn't know how to combat the screech but I did it anyway

wolf was last for me

[sturdy condor]

Took me 7 tries to know about the screech

[gilded parrot]

the eletric from the owl made me rage super bad

[past kiln]

I’ve fought all of the archons as drifter and owl was the most annoying

found snake pretty easy actually

compared to the other archons

[sturdy condor]

Yes but again doesn't matter
The moments u get ur gun all you have to do is point and shoot at they drop after 2 hit

[past kiln]

the sentients in tnw are starchart Saturn level

the last archon you fight as your warframe is also really weak

[sturdy condor]

Not weak we just super op

Cause everyone is preparing to fight lvl 80 sentient

[gilded parrot]

i regret trying the new war

[wicked iron]

You can get through it, @gilded parrot, don't worry! 🙂

[gilded parrot]

i hope so

[sturdy condor]

Skill issue

Wich one u decided to fight?

[gilded parrot]

snake, owl, wolf, thats the order i tried first and now i just wanna do the quickest one

anyway im trying to do the snake

[sturdy condor]

Wolf is the quickest one iicr

[gilded parrot]

okay

[sturdy condor]

It's just a bunch of illusion and he's pretty slow

Just watch out when he leap it deals a lot of dmg

[gilded parrot]

how much damage does a perfect shot do? i remember it being about 300

[past kiln]

drifter 3 detects his real form when he makes his illusions

[sturdy condor]

Utilize smokescreen when they are close

[past kiln]

oh his real form also has the nepheri, fakes don’t

[sturdy condor]

They do?

[gilded parrot]

imma try the wolf

[past kiln]

yes it does

[gilded parrot]

if i do this then i'll try owl

[sturdy condor]

Owl is pretty annoying the screech block the arrow

[tough path]

yeah. it's annoying

[simple python]

Ah. As I wanted to say. Yes: my drifter does look like a hot mess. He's roughly got the face of someone like Konzu.

[supple dagger]

Mine is definitely a step up from that

[limpid valve]

Steve specifically said in a previous Devstream they were working on that, so don't worry. its coming in the future!

[supple dagger]

Focus rework is cool and all… but operators and void damage as a status are still pretty eww

I think there should just be a complete overhaul for the operator mechanics😅

[balmy badger]

Void damage would be better if armor didn't make it useless.

It does alright against unarmored enemies.

[mental fossil]

I personally liked the new war, i liked the experience and i like that DE lets you replay the quest again. But when you replay you replay the whole thing from the beginning to the end, and if i wanted to fight Ballas again i had to start the thing from the very beginning. Given the length of the quest, shouldn't it be possible to also be able to replay certain segments of the quest as well when you dont want to replay the whole quest for one specific moment? I mean...its just my opinion tho

[ivory surge]

nono it's a good opinion

since this quest is way longer than the others with many key points, having the ability to replay certain parts and not the whole thing would be really nice

[frail nymph]

Yeah, if the quest is three acts, at least let us play one act that we choose

I would go visit the Zariman every weekend

Well, now that AoZ is coming....

[ivory surge]

we can our OWN ZARIMAN WOOOOOOOOOOO

Imma call it Zariman 10-1, and make another incident >:)

[cyan crest]

That was mainly what I was gonna talk about

Harmonia 10-0?

ah, good quality

I think it's readable

[ivory surge]

Harmonia?

or I'm gonna show some harmony

when I fill it to the brim with all kinds of FLOOFS!

Bed? Floofs

Bathroom? floofs

Oven? you've guessed it. Floofs

[craggy drum]

It’s just a placeholder name right? That’s why it says [PH] at the start.

[cyan crest]

I mean yeah but the change in name stills surprised me
Why Harmonia?

[cyan crest]

don't cook the floof

[ivory surge]

btw did they showed the shape of the ship? I've missed the devstream

'cus I want my boomerang looking ship, like the Zariman

[thick jolt]

What ?

[ivory surge]

y'know

this

[thick jolt]

Yeah thats the zariman i just dont get this

[ivory surge]

what you don't get?

[wild copper]

I'm confused as well

[thick jolt]

The only ship i know theyve shown recently is the zariman so i dont know what "shape of ship" youre talking about

[ivory surge]

the shape of the Zariman

[quick delta]

[wild copper]

What about the shape of the zariman

[torpid lantern]

It's still shaped like half a frisbee, yep!

[thick jolt]

Yeah its shape hasnt changed since forever as far as i remember

[flat shadow]

They announced that we will be getting housing. That is intended to be on the Zariman. So it will be shaped like the Zariman.

[ivory surge]

I want a ship with the shape of the Zariman, what's hard to understand?

[supple dagger]

It's not gonna be a personal ship like a landing craft

[torpid lantern]

So even if they rename it, itll still be shaped the same

[flat shadow]

Though it will be more like a relay hub than the orbiter.

[torpid lantern]

Oh

[ivory surge]

personal ship, community ship idc. I want it to have that form

[flat shadow]

I have some good news for you! That's the plan!

[quick delta]

[thick jolt]

Again its the zariman what other shape would it have lol

[torpid lantern]

::

[sharp spoke]

I can't wait to get my racecar bed in my apartment

[ivory surge]

HECK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

ahem I meant, yay

[flat shadow]

I am absolutely terrible at decorating. I really should get some practice doing that on the orbiter before April

[torpid lantern]

me about to spend all the money I don't have

[sharp spoke]

^^^ same

[thick jolt]

Start farming open world decorations

And yet more floofs

[quick delta]

Eidolon articulas take up so many capacity >.<

[sharp spoke]

I want a lil' Albrecht statue for my decor. You know the one

[torpid lantern]

Good thing we won all those Oscars.
Oh Barooooo, want some golden statues? They do be Orokin

[thick jolt]

Granpa albrecht

[sharp spoke]

Oh grampa, always goin on about cosmic horrors and the folly of man.

[ivory surge]

y'know what would it be funny: a framed photo with the Operator, Lotus and The man in the wall titled "Family photo" lol

[sharp spoke]

Lel

[thick jolt]

Would be a fun contrast from our old family photo

[forest karma]

I saw that Angels of zariman is just another world to do quests and stuff. I thought it would show more stuff in the Warframe story, but unfortunately not.

[torpid lantern]

And have them all wear the sweaters from the family photo in DE's office

[flat shadow]

Speaking of April... Anyone else notice that they are giving away Garuda Prime accesses for Covenant House? Think we'll get AoZ before then? Or they'll just wait to give the access after release?

[sharp spoke]

I mean... it's got a quest that will almost certainly lead into Duviri, right?

[flat shadow]

They never show big spoilers in the dev streams.

[thick jolt]

Probably the later

[sharp spoke]

Probably

[ivory surge]

btw do you guys know how will be unlocking the apartment?

will it be like a quest or maybe a segment

[thick jolt]

Introductory zariman quest

[sharp spoke]

Probably in the related quest

[flat shadow]

I will not be around the day before, because it would break my heart if they said it would be released on the 1st as an april fools joke.

[ivory surge]

yeah sounds most logical

[ivory surge]

and it's just a basement lol

[sharp spoke]

With a chair and a bucket

[flat shadow]

Basic housing is probably through the quest. The higher teirs are probably going to be through syndicate standing.

[ivory surge]

that would make a great april fool's joke

[forest karma]

For me, I didn't see anything interesting.

[torpid lantern]

And I think you can upgrade it through the Syndicates

[flat shadow]

That's my guess, anyway

[thick jolt]

Void basement goblins

[supple dagger]

We will

Garuda Prime is coming the 26th or 28th. Zariman is in April

[torpid lantern]

Ayyyy 👉

[sharp spoke]

They didn't show anything quest related in the stream, that was intentional

[supple dagger]

Yeah, they're not gonna spoil any of the quest things like that

[flat shadow]

Ah. Well. That's my mistake. (What I get for listening while driving. I miss a lot) I thought they said it would be out together.

[ivory surge]

ya think we'll get a special cephalon?

[thick jolt]

And again this is the beginning
The place where it all began how is that not interesting ?

[torpid lantern]

They even left the hub empty. So I'm hoping maybe the Syndicate will be other Drifters

[sharp spoke]

Well, they said we'd be seeing a lot of the instructor cephalon

[forest karma]

Nope. Impossible.

[torpid lantern]

Or it's the Duviri people, but they seem too regal for that

[supple dagger]

They didn't say it iirc, just showed an image of dates

[sharp spoke]

And a new syndicate, which interests me a lot

[thick jolt]

They were pretty sneaky about who was in the syndicate

[flat shadow]

Ah. Makes sense

[thick jolt]

We do have the zarimans cephalon though

[sharp spoke]

• which they said we'd see a lot of

[thick jolt]

Yeah so very possible

[torpid lantern]

My two guesses are Drifters or Duvirians (if I can use that). But the Duviri people would feel out of place there. Idk...

[flat shadow]

Maybe both?

[thick jolt]

So close yet so far this update

[supple dagger]

Plot twist: its the angels

[flat shadow]

You're not wrong

[torpid lantern]

Now... squints at kitchen
Where's that microwave one of the Sisters was talking about

[forest karma]

A new world, new quests, new Warframe, an apartment for the tennos that I thought was "a house. nice. That's all?".

[thick jolt]

You forgot the focus school rework

New weapons that grow

[sharp spoke]

• recognizes there's a new quest relating to the place where this all started
• "there's no warframe lore, bruh. Not interesting"

[thick jolt]

New eximus

[quick delta]

But the new dash is bad 😔

[sharp spoke]

I like it a lot

[thick jolt]

3 New missions are already a lot

[quick delta]

It makes it slower

[torpid lantern]

I'm still really unsettled by living in the same place we were Trapped and being hunted in. By our parents. Maybe even in an apartment like the one we'll get...
I'd never sleep again

[forest karma]

For me it's pretty fast.

[quick delta]

For eido hunting dash speed matters a lot

[sharp spoke]

I think it's negligible, looked like the movement was still very fluid

[thick jolt]

Well you wont even have the current skills so the meta would change anyway

[ivory surge]

speaking of lore, i'm kinda disappointed that they didn't talked more about the Entrati family. The only thing we see is that Mother was a scientist studying timelines

[thick jolt]

Doibt its the last we have seen of them

[sharp spoke]

I imagine we'll get some more tidbits about the Entrati at some point. Maybe not, but it'd make sense and be cool

[quick delta]

Wonder if we have to rank all the schools ground up again

[supple dagger]

We won't

It's not a reset

[sharp spoke]

No, they said theres a respec

[thick jolt]

We get back all spent focus

Its been done before

[forest karma]

Will they make a school skill fill up with little items?

[flat shadow]

I'm looking forward to the void skins. That'll be nice!

[ivory surge]

I hope we'll still need to hunt eidolons, because I've just got my rubico prime

[slim anvil]

i wonder if we get the spent focus from focus pool back

[thick jolt]

Probably

[sharp spoke]

Saaame. And tbh I like the new weapons that are very OG Tenno. The steel and wood style is p neat

[forest karma]

Cashback of focus

[thick jolt]

We still dont have the details

[quick delta]

U can finally redeem urselves void radiace max rank players

[thick jolt]

Best part imo is getting rid of extra energy cost focus nodes

[sharp spoke]

I like that part too

[forest karma]

Until it's not a bad idea

[thick jolt]

Im not a native english speaker but that sentence made no sense to me

[sharp spoke]

I am a native English speaker and I'm confused as well

[thick jolt]

🤝

[sharp spoke]

Void flood looked fun to me, I like a gamemode that forces me to move and actually pay attention to what's happening

[thick jolt]

Murder bots to keep children in line is what it looked like to me

But we will find out what it actually is when the quest lands

Also just noticed 3 mission types for the 3 factions maybe ?

[sharp spoke]

Right. I saw one of the challenges while they were going through Nightwave stuff "0/5 Zariman Angels Killed" or something.

So I'm interested to see what exactly they are, and how they are presented lore-wise.
My first thought is that it's the twisted mucked-up manifestations of the people who died and were corrupted

Part of the ship, part of the crew and all that

[thick jolt]

Would be spooky

Also want to compare tempestaris corruption with zarimans corruption

[sharp spoke]

Same!

[forest karma]

"So, we're doing a skill makeover at the school. So get your Focus back here." It's like a regular Cashback of Cash.

[cyan crest]

But I like to play the game without thinking :(

[green flume]

a refund you mean?

[green flume]

bethesda made three whole games for you

[sharp spoke]

Lmao

[thick jolt]

The weird sentence is "until it's not a bad idea"

[cyan crest]

Wow that's
true but like
wow

[thick jolt]

Lol

[flat shadow]

Lets keep chat on topic, please? This is the Warframe discord, lets discuss Warframe spoilers

[sharp spoke]

I really dig the almost-abstract look of the Zariman void corruption. It reminds me of a less graphic version of what the Protomolecule did in the Expanse

[thick jolt]

Back on this idea imagine an infested mission in the zariman
Void and infestation fighting to corrupt the ship in their image

[sharp spoke]

I dig it

[cyan crest]

It looks fractal-like but it's not actually employing fractals so :(

[cyan crest]

It could be corpus, grineer and narmer

[thick jolt]

Void corruption is too busy making outstretched hands

[sharp spoke]

It's got nautilus spirals too!

[cyan crest]

Make pretty fractals dumb void >:(

[thick jolt]

Now what is the void reaching out to ?

Maybe reaching out to wally trying to drag him back ?

[sharp spoke]

Yer mum.

And by that I mean Lotus

[cyan crest]

I mean that's weird but I'm imagining Wally being like a rebellious cat that gets out the house every time

[sharp spoke]

Lmao

[thick jolt]

Lol

[sharp spoke]

"Omg it's raining outside, get back in here stupid"

[cyan crest]

"hssssss"
gets back in the house anyway

[thick jolt]

My cats sometimes go out into the rain and meow at me to tell me its wet outside

[forest karma]

What if tenno try to learn to use Weapons? No, it wouldn't make sense. He only used that weapon in the new war. He might as well use the umbra katana.

[sharp spoke]

Didn't they say at some point that they might try to have ops and Drifter use secondary weapons? Or am I making that up?

[cyan crest]

Operators are too smol to use anything but secondaries
Drifters have more room for that but mmm

[thick jolt]

Well drifter is fully capable of using primary and secondary weapons

Tech wise at least

[sharp spoke]

Right

[forest karma]

melee weapons too

[cyan crest]

Operators could use daggers I guess but nothing bigger

Cause they are smol

[thick jolt]

Tiny teenage noodle arms

[sharp spoke]

Dagger n peestol

[cyan crest]

like a beeg guy

[thick jolt]

Wait now that i think of it operator meele is already out of the window

[sharp spoke]

Yes

[thick jolt]

They said meele button now teleports the warframe so it can meele

[sharp spoke]

Cus of the new insta melee

Ye

[cyan crest]

Neat
And bad I guess
Cause it leaves less room for operator weaponry

[sharp spoke]

I think that's a great feature except for yeah, that reason

[thick jolt]

Yeah but if they mesh the animations well it will be epic

[sharp spoke]

Agreed

[forest karma]

But he only used that knife in the new war, no warframes. I'd like to see him using that umbra's katana.

[cyan crest]

I mean it could also look horridly unnatural :]

[thick jolt]

Well doesnt seem like its gonna happen based on the focus rework

[cyan crest]

Drifter is not operator, but yeah, they have only ever used the Rumblejack

The only big weapon they've used is the Nataruk

[thick jolt]

How horrid are we talking about ?
Aberrant kavats and kubrows or just a little off ?

[cyan crest]

And the Sirocco is an amp

[cyan crest]

Something between kubrows turning their heads in 170 degree angles and clipping inside an npc head and seeing all the bits you shouldn't see

[thick jolt]

Lol

[forest karma]

Drifter or Operator, it doesn't matter. Once a tenno is always a tenno.

[sharp spoke]

Or maybe a Stalker

[cyan crest]

Yeah but you know
Different versions of the same person, different experiences, different age and different capabilities

[sharp spoke]

🅱️TERNALISM

[cyan crest]

bternalism?

[forest karma]

So let's take the kid version of him out of the conversation. Let's just talk about his adult form. It may be more useful than the child version.

[cyan crest]

Funny and totally never made before

[sharp spoke]

Yeah, yknow. Eternalism but with a B

[cyan crest]

you know, using the proper name is less confusing

Mainly because the kid still exists so they're not out of the picture

[thick jolt]

And again its become even more unlikely to ever happen with the new focus rework

[sharp spoke]

I wonder if one of our "contacts" on the Z will be ourself, since that's the only place we've seen where Op and Drifter can exist together

[thick jolt]

Would be interesting

Quest begins by messaging ourselves

[sharp spoke]

I think that would make a whole lot of sense, in a nonsensical space magic kind of way

[thick jolt]

Hey kiddo need reinforcements back at home

[sharp spoke]

"Hey... kiddo...?"
So anyway, I started blastin'

[thick jolt]

Lol

[tough path]

anyone else experience the bug with the amp on the drifter? like it turns into the skin version for other amps and it looks so weird holding it lol.

[heavy obsidian]

Yikes

[tough path]

If I had a picture I'd show it. But yeah it's so weird lol. forces me to equip a different amp.

[craggy drum]

Take the Sirocco skin off the amp it’s on, on your Operator.

Then it’ll be back to normal for the amp you’re using on Drifter.

Basically any amp with the skin on for the Operator, if Drifter uses the same amp it bugs and becomes the Operator version

[tough path]

aha I see. is that the same for the sirocco it self? cause that's whats happend with mine lol

[craggy drum]

Are you using or have you used the Sirocco skin on any of your Amps for the Operator? Check them, make sure none of them have the Sirocco skin on.

Then switch to Drifter and see if they’re back to normal

[torpid lantern]

Not sure but has anyone else noticed the weird bug where now, whenever you have your Op talk to anyone, say Biz or Konzu or Nakak, they suddenly drop down into fighting stance?

like yeah... let's tackle the poor mask-making child..

[cyan crest]

Yeah tackle her

[tough path]

I'll have a look and make sure.

[tough path]

ah fixed it now. thanks ^^

[craggy drum]

Glad I could help 🙂

[empty vale]

hay

[sharp spoke]

Hay is for horses

[forest karma]

I have a question: Do you know the 2 umbra mods that are for melee weapons? Why don't have umbra mods in warframe for shooting weapons?

Like Sacrificial steel/pressure*

[cyan crest]

Because Umbra doesn't have a primary nor a secondary

[forest karma]

I say mods that are similar to umbra mods but are for primary and secondary weapons.

[cyan crest]

Prime mods then

[obtuse rune]

Anyone else notice Teshin's gone back to being mortal.

He's been like that since the last update

[fresh mauve]

Did your creator mode shut off?

[obtuse rune]

I'll check

I'm not using Creator mode. And it didn't activate.

[balmy badger]

I finally went back and replayed the quest to get a screenshot of the funny with my Operator. And the game just decided not to show my cosmetics...

How were people getting screenshots of it with their cosmetics?

[supple dagger]

Seems to big out occasionally

[supple dagger]

Steel Path has always kept regular Teshin iirc.

[obtuse rune]

Alright. Up to about a week ago, he's been a hologram. Not sure which is bugged at this point.

[bronze anchor]

Nah, he was b&w on SP too

[wicked pike]

Teshin just took a vacation

[thick jolt]

For an indefinite time

[jagged sable]

Honestly can't wait to see if we get a void sword made from that weird metalic stuff from the void. That material looks siiiick

You know that void rust that spread throughout the Zariman. Stuff the statues I'm guessing are the 'void angels' are made of.

Not the gold ones but the weird glowy ones.

[obtuse rune]

So the anthropomorphic void formations?

Yeah. I could see that.

[worn wharf]

Pp ?

[errant charm]

I hope we get a bunch of Zariman captura scenes.

[hollow yew]

I remember me playing the old war and just listening to For Narmer for at least an our straight before playing the quest

[sturdy condor]

Old war

[ivory surge]

nah man he has special update that no one has

not even DE

[frail nymph]

We'll get those if there's another Umbra warframe with thier own primary or secondary weapon, cause that's the only place you'll find an umbra mod

[frail nymph]

The outfit was always Zariman in that scene. The game resets you for aesthetic purposes, I guess... Cause Drifter and you would look similar in Zariman suits.

And no, it's not some time travel/timeline related stuff. I tried going back outside the room after it changes your clothes upon entering the room. The whole place remains the exact same.

[craggy drum]

Not always. My Operator was in my cosmetics but Drifter was the one in the Zariman suit.

[ivory surge]

I love this pose during the cutscene, it just says "am I really speaking with an alternate version of me?"

[tough path]

XD agreed

[idle garnet]

who are those adorable 2?

if someone going to find them, here they are

[kindred briar]

that's some Ventkid graffiti

[idle garnet]

oh

[cyan crest]

They seem to be caricatures of Roxy and Boon

[quick delta]

Wut

This is an english only server

If thats what i think you asked

[hollow yew]

Lmao cause I lived it: you know back in the old war, I used to be famous

[sturdy condor]

Someone edit the "pass the boof meme" on the first pic

[lean wolf]

Lol

I also have this

[hollow shadow]

I can save them, all of them...but you have to want it.

[lethal crow]

I hoped they would explain why ordis have now a body

[ivory surge]

dunno

maybe his unit was too damaged and wasn't compatible with the orbiter anymore?

[kindred briar]

my favourite guess was that he needed a proxy to leave the orbiter to follow us around

[ivory surge]

he needed an excuse

he always wanted to follow us around

THEN WHY CAN'T I HAVE HIM FOLLOW ME AFTER THE QUEST HUH?!

[kindred briar]

he blew up to save us in the quest

[ivory surge]

and yet he still has that appearance

[kindred briar]

either DE has a plan for him in a later quest or its a bug

[ivory surge]

plus that thing looked like it was built out of scraps

we can rebuild STRONGER AND FASTER

[cyan crest]

It's definately not a bug

[cyan crest]

He has had the owldis body related to him since the sacrifice

[kindred briar]

to add to this: go back to any footage from when the quest was released, you can see Owldis behind the cephalon cube

[torpid lantern]

This bothers me. In this scene, MITW should look just like the operator. Zariman suit and all that.

Neither of then should be wearing the fashion stuff till present era

[cyan crest]

I mean, he can, since he even uses the Natah hand for the deal, so he can take on the appearance of futurator

[ivory surge]

OP:"it's called fashion old man, look it up"
MITW:"I DID"

[torpid lantern]

I know but it just doesn't feel right

[kindred briar]

nothing about Wally feels right, that's his thing

[ivory surge]

btw do you think MITW can take any forms he want or just the one he's talking to?

[cyan crest]

Operator sometimes has their future attire when playing that scene, which bothers me, but in theory Wallman should be bale to look like that

[cyan crest]

Probably whatever form he wants since he even attacked us with shadow lotus clones in the Chimaera prologue
A fact everyone seems to forget for some reason

[ivory surge]

I mean, chimaera prologue wasn't really that much of a quest

[craggy drum]

For the first post jump Zariman scene, my Operator was in their fashion and Wally as in the default suit. Then in the second scene, the Operator was the one in the default suit and Wally had the fashion lol

I think it’s just the game being confused lol

[ivory surge]

he probably forgot it like "oh shoot I forgot the drip"

[torpid lantern]

He should be able too, but like, it's kinda weird because it's like him just randomly choosing to mimic an outfit they wore on a random day. Operators can change their clothes just like we can so it makes more sense for him to be dressed in the Zariman suit like all the other kids instead of decked out in the outfit the Tenno was wearing on a random "Tuesday" or something xD

[cyan crest]

They almost died that future Tuesday, it was kind of an important Tuesday

[ivory surge]

counterpoint: the operator never changes clothes canonically

Drifter does, but not operator

[torpid lantern]

Huh?

[cyan crest]

that's not a really good point to make
it's kinda gross too

[ivory surge]

I know

that's why I made it C:

[torpid lantern]

That doesn't make any sense

[ivory surge]

we're discussing the lore of a game with robotic ninjas with superpowers

I don't think the word "sense" has much meaning at this point

[cyan crest]

???

[torpid lantern]

That's not what I'm asking about?

[viral palm]

Operator self cleans with Void Energy™

[cyan crest]

That argument is dumb cause the game has to make sense in its own set of rules

[ivory surge]

yes

I'm being dumb

your point?

[balmy badger]

I'm going to assume this is just a bug on console then that was already patched on PC... Shame. I wanted a screenshot of that with my cosmetics.

[cyan crest]

[torpid lantern]

Weve got all this neato Operator fashion in Cetus and Fortuna. They've got canon clothes to change into. This is really silly xD

[balmy badger]

Oh well.

[torpid lantern]

The real question is what is it actually SUPPOSED to be?

[craggy drum]

It was during my replay of the New War. I think lots of other players had the bug on their replays

[ivory surge]

we need to make this into an emote

[kindred briar]

Faeii: "That's a nice point Senator, what's your source?"
Mr.Rhino39: "My source is that I made it up!"

[balmy badger]

The screenshot above was from a replay.

[ivory surge]

TenHOW

[ivory surge]

a sneaky maxor reference, I like it

[shadow basalt]

IDK spoiler this or not, but what % of this?)

[ivory surge]

hey that's the Man in the wall

congratulations!

[cyan crest]

Congrats on beating the chains of Harrow apparently

[tough path]

"Hey kiddo"

[frail nymph]

This makes me think even more that they tried to make drifter and operator match... Cause that Templar suit is the only one except zariman that exists for both drifter and operator...

Although they did seem to fail here pretty badly

[craggy drum]

Both had the same fashion on. The Templar suit and accessories but only my Ooerator was wearing it for the table scene

[frail nymph]

Or because orbiter was just shut down mostly and he had nothing better to do

[ivory surge]

now THAT'S a theory I can get behind

[frail nymph]

Oh wait, so maybe it really is the present operator being sent back all the way in time...

That explains your calm leadership role, willingness to take the deal, and the slight confusion when everyone is told to raise their hand for pledges or whatever...

Or it's just Wally coming right back from grabbing Lotus's hand and didn't have enough time to change.

[torpid lantern]

Cheknah! That's just good old fashion shock and desperation right there.

[frail nymph]

That's literally not how lore works at all

[ivory surge]

yes I know

[errant charm]

I’d not worry too much about operators not appearing to change cloths. Our orbiters also lack a bathroom.

[torpid lantern]

Dont forget that the Drifter is also from the timeline when they dont take the deal.

[frail nymph]

Yeah, that's what I mean by them failing... It didn't actually work for you, but maybe the original intention is why your templar was not removed.

[next nest]

there's no bathroom but there is a room dedicated to... biological functions....

[frail nymph]

We know our operator for sure changed clothes at least ever since being a Zariman student in class.

[lean wolf]

Mitw?

[frail nymph]

man in the wall

[torpid lantern]

Yep

[lean wolf]

Ah

[torpid lantern]

Hey did anyone else see this in the dev workshop?

[lean wolf]

Ooo

[torpid lantern]

[lean wolf]

Did u guys see this as well

[frail nymph]

To be a bit more clear, that's what Rell was scared of throughout the entire quest. Rell knew that person sitting on your desk has been watching everyone and is dangerous. So he sacrificed his human nature to distract that person for centuries...

Well, until the quest, anyway, after which you have to deal with that person cause Rell is ded.

We call that person "The Man In the Wall" or TMITW or Wally

[pliant orchid]

What a wonderful smile! Perfect for a toothpaste commercial!

[lean wolf]

XD

All we need is that devuri free roam

Hopefully with angels of the zariman we get the partment as a base of operations

[frail nymph]

I have a faint feeling that it's gonna be another AoZ outta nowhere in a couple of months situation

[lean wolf]

Possibly

[frail nymph]

Given how the Duviri map and some models have been in the dev build since early/mid 2019

[torpid lantern]

Hmmm

I'll be pretty bummed if that's the case

[frail nymph]

Either that or Duviri will be the big Tennocon thing

[lean wolf]

Mostly likely tennocon

[torpid lantern]

New updates are awesome and all but I just wanna see some New War consequences in the star chart. I'm still feeling uneasy about how normal everything is.

[frail nymph]

Well the Narmer are around with a mysterious leader for a reason... And we're not sure Erra/all the sentients are dead

But Duviri will still likely come first (if it does come), cause that's been in the plans just as long as New War itself has

[torpid lantern]

Narmer are just in two bounties though and most of them are taking narmer because they liked it.

[frail nymph]

For now, yeah. But that's mostly cause they could only do so much in time for 2021 release

Although I am a bit puzzled as to why AoZ is a priority over Duviri and Narmer, I can see them being more exited to get that out first.

[cyan crest]

AoZ is probably leading into Duviri, not taking priority over it

[torpid lantern]

I mean there was a system wide war and everyone got enslaved against their will. If Fortuna looks that bad and it's just a random hab out of dozens, imagine how bad the rest of the system should look.
And then that spooky narmer temple in the very beginning of the Drifter's act?

[balmy badger]

Well, we know not all of the Sentients are dead obviously, that would be too easy. I'm fairly confident Erra is dead though, he was standing right in one of those beams of pure solar plasma while holding that debris.

[lean wolf]

Maybe its part one to duvuri lore before tennocon

[torpid lantern]

AoZ is part of pre Duviri

That's 100% accurate

[cyan crest]

Exactly, just as the new war act didn't just resolve itself in one quest, the duviri arc is gonna take a bit long to prepare

[frail nymph]

Does Fortuna really look bad though? If anything, it has had upgrades

[torpid lantern]

Um what?

Ehh!!!!!?

Have you not seen how everything is all in shambles?

[cyan crest]

I think it looks good but og Fortuna is just better

[balmy badger]

In terms of rendering tech, yes. Aesthetics, HECK NO.

[frail nymph]

I can see the Deacons dying leading straight into he Corpus and Grineer taking over easily after nobody's there to police them.

[lean wolf]

Ppl have there own opinions

[torpid lantern]

I get that but it's in ruins now

[supple dagger]

It's not quite ruins

[torpid lantern]

It's definitely more chaotic

[frail nymph]

It is? The Orokin towers are up and running, and Narmer didn't really destroy anything during the takeover

[frail nymph]

In what way?

[torpid lantern]

Oh orb Vallis you mean

[supple dagger]

Nothing is really broken, or destroyed, things just got rearranged

[torpid lantern]

I was talking about Fortuna

[shadow basalt]

It's normal that he came to me 2-3 months after the passage of the chains of Harrow. I managed to go through the New War 3 times XD

[supple dagger]

iirc, Fortuna is just red light and the big pipes in the middle

[torpid lantern]

I'll take screenshots later but things aren't in order like they used to be. Broken vents, parts everywhere.

[balmy badger]

I was also talking about Fortuna, I actually like post-NW Orb Vallis.

[torpid lantern]

Post NW Orb Vallis is good. It's thawing out finally

[lean wolf]

Post nw valis is basically the partial teraform nef anyo was trying to achieve

[supple dagger]

It's not really supposed to thaw out though

[frail nymph]

https://youtu.be/TlTSVv_5eFI?t=309
I don't see anything broken tbh

[frail nymph]

Well as far as Ballas wanted it to be, it is supposed to thaw out

It only thawed out because the Towers are fully functional

There a few extra containers in the way but that was mostly just gameplay reasons: making a stealth maze map

[lean wolf]

But since they are not bc of narmer being broken who knows if the towers are online post nw

[frail nymph]

Well the Orb Vallis is the exact same as it was during Narmer rule... So I'm not sure it matters

[lean wolf]

Ig time will tell ig

[velvet wing]

Isn’t it kinda supposed to be cold on the vallis? Like during exploiter orb she goes up to the surface to cool off?

[frail nymph]

Exploiter was made with the cold orb vallis with broken terraforming towers in mind, not the other way around

Also it's still snowy so maybe it's not too hot

[lean wolf]

Plus if u want the old orb vallis and fortuna back u can always have the deadlock protocol quest active and not do the mission

[craggy drum]

Oh they fixed this? Nice. Not more being afraid to roll into the teleporter

[lean wolf]

Finally

[torpid lantern]

Thank you DE!!!

[craggy drum]

Literally the most important fix

Game was unplayable! /jk

[lean wolf]

I have a tenno lies image to share if i havent already

[craggy drum]

Also consoles should have the new Somachord fragments in the Plain and the Vallis now

[lean wolf]

About time bc i need that narmer fortuna song in my orbiter

[craggy drum]

Just waiting on DE to fix the technical issue going on for PS5 login

[lean wolf]

Good thing I don't have one

[craggy drum]

Same here!

[lean wolf]

If u select operator instead of drifter in the nw and go to arsenal you'll do a copuple of poses and this is one of em

[craggy drum]

This one too

[lean wolf]

Nice valk

[craggy drum]

Her aesthetic is danglies and I prefer idles that spin because it shows the danglies off.

I’m 100% getting Gyre’s idle animations when AoZ is released for this reason lol

And the Valkyr deluxe skin. A friend plans to gift me the deluxe bundle

[lean wolf]

Nice

I hoping to fashion my operator on xb1 like this when crossplay and crosssave comes

[past kiln]

best image from this quest is ballas pog while he loses his mind over the Tenno being back

[kindred briar]

this one?

[supple dagger]

😑

[cyan crest]

😵

It's more like this

[past kiln]

Yes

“But not THEM!” and he kills the deacons by him

[swift pond]

I have a HD version, it's somehow worse

[ivory surge]

it really is

[autumn turret]

can someone post the new war somachord location map?

[shadow basalt]

Fortuna - on the roof of the entrance to Fortuna

[brittle vine]

Has it been added to consoles already?

NEW SOMACHORD TONES (PC ONLY)
Three new Somachord Tones have been added to the post-New War Plains of Eidolon and Orb Vallis, featuring some of the Quest’s most-coveted musical tracks. Find them so you can re-listen whenever you’d like in your Orbiter’s Personal Quarters! Unlike the original Orb Vallis Somachord Tones, these are stationary and can always be found in the same spot.

New Tones include:

• “For Narmer”
• “Hybrid Abominations”
• “Sunkiller”

The New War Somachord Tones will arrive in the next update for consoles, Tenno!

[kindred briar]

think it's still coming soon

[autumn turret]

it was literally just added this update to console

one of the first things i checked

[ivory surge]

btw can someone explain to me why is Hunhow at the bottom of the sea in Uranus?

[autumn turret]

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1302804-xbox-noras-mix-volume-1-update-3120-hotfix-1/

[frail nymph]

Because he's been there since the very first story quest?

[ivory surge]

yes but why?

[autumn turret]

easiest place to bury a giant sentient?

[ivory surge]

so, a prison?

[frail nymph]

He pretended to lose and let the Orokin destroy him so that they can be caught off-guard.
As a result, his complete burial under basically a small continent convinced the Orokin that they one and they gathered all the Tenno to honor them in celebrations.

Turns out it wasn't a tomb but just a cage.
And Lotus betrayed the Orokin and made the Tenno Kill all the Orokin.

But then Lotus also betrayed Hunhow and never woke him up so he stayed dead until Tyl Regor found him.

[autumn turret]

i have been bamboozled

[craggy drum]

He was brought down over Uranus and his body fell and sank below the waters

[autumn turret]

oop i ment to remove the ping

[ivory surge]

and can't sentiens... float?

[craggy drum]

Not… if they’re dead

[autumn turret]

mostly dead at least

[frail nymph]

It's all explained in the Natah quest. Just read the transcript for the most accurate info.

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Natah_(Quest)/Transcript @ivory surge

[ivory surge]

I'll read it later

[craggy drum]

Hunhow is dead, only his consciousness remains active. He’s trapped in any parts of his body even if they’re separate from the “main” body

[ivory surge]

ooooooh he's dead

[frail nymph]

Until Natah quest, that is

Kind of

[ivory surge]

never heard that/I didn't remember

I thought he was just there, taking a swim lol

[frail nymph]

"We severed the worlds, let them destroy me. Why is the sequence not complete?"
"The ghost you saw is of a menace long thought dead. They study us, study our enemies. Let us sharpen our knowledge of them."

[craggy drum]

Nah his body is still dead. That’s why he can’t leave/why he doesn’t try to leave

He was in a kind of stasis until. We started poking at Sentient bones and he picked up on Lotus

[ivory surge]

that explains some things

[frail nymph]

He's more trapped than dead. That was the conclusion of the Natah quest. Re-burying him just to delay him a bit from getting out.

But because of Lotus's betrayal, he just gave up.

[bronze anchor]

So stalker is just following a dead man's thoughts just like that?

[autumn turret]

dead in body not mind

[frail nymph]

Not dead in body either. Just weak in body, too weak to dig his way out of the tomb that we re-buried him under in Natah quest.

And also too weak in will to try and recover before trying it.

Originally the Bomb was just a temporary measure. Hunhow giving up is the only reason he's still down there

[bronze anchor]

so he still has powers to transfer his mind to a sword in second dream?

[frail nymph]

It's not a power, it's just how sentients are

The sword is a piece of his body, so it's simultaneously a part of his mind

[ivory surge]

like the nataruk

[frail nymph]

All Sentients you fight on Lua are Hunhow/Hunhow's hive mind

[autumn turret]

it seems the orb vallis tones are bugged and give the default tones

but are garunteed spawns... so im just gonna farm this while i can

[frail nymph]

Gg

[autumn turret]

i just unlocked null unit

just need to leave and enter alot

since its just right above fortuna

hmm wait maybe its only partially bugged

since now it unlocked for narmer

seems it prioritizes finishing one you're working on

[kindred briar]

that is for TNW, but if you already have progress on an OV tone then the OV tone takes it instead

[autumn turret]

yea

if you read just above ya it was me finding that out

[kindred briar]

only just noticed

[autumn turret]

well time to get the other 2

[kindred briar]

the one time I forget to scroll down...

[autumn turret]

got the tones

[vital owl]

anyone have a link to a list of the tone locations in the open worlds?

[autumn turret]

this says where all 3 are (it tells 1 orb location and 2 cetus)

[vital owl]

thanks, if this update ever finishes I'll have to go grab them

[next nest]

Wallem DeFoe!

[gritty pike]

ze manne in de walo

[arctic sonnet]

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[hollow yew]

You know how the stalker talks to hun how through the war, in the war within quest, now what if we could have that

What if we could also say, remove The Lotus and take hunhow as our space father???

[bronze anchor]

he spoke in the new war? i dont think he spoke even once

[hollow yew]

The war as in the blade

Or at least takes commands from it

[thick jolt]

Time to take space granpa through a journey

[hollow yew]

Yes

[bronze anchor]

i just want to equip the war and hunhow to talk trash to me while im using him

[hollow yew]

YES

Or not only that have the stalker be like teshin and just chat with Erra lmao

(Honestly loid would also be a cooler option to have as a onboard cephalon/guide

[bronze anchor]

oh yeah there's gonna be a new sentinel/robot person in the zariman that takes care of plants

[bronze anchor]

like Nihil trash talking me through the bottle

[wicked iron]

Terroblade saying "all you have to do is let. Me. In," in the Dota anime made me think of Nihil and his request line to be released from the oubliette. XD

I hope we'll get to see more story with Nihil and the Entrati in the future!

I particularly would love a way to either get the Entrati un-infested and restored, or Continuity'd into clone bodies of themselves or something.

[past kiln]

iirc they can’t really get uninfested at this point
only way for them to not succumb to the hivemind is to continuity out of their current bodies

[swift pond]

looks at copius amounts of kuva in storage

[daring dragon]

Question, so Operator and Drifter are of course same person (yourself) and we can switch between them. Would our character be sharing same quest/world for future quest or would storyline be different?

[wicked iron]

They come from different timelines.

[flat shadow]

Unknown! We know the New War is the same, but that doesn't mean all quests following will be. Though probably will be.

[wicked iron]

So we could potentially go to theirs and do things in the future, but we do know that they at least did stuff in ours.

[daring dragon]

But share same world theory wise, I would guess.

[flat shadow]

DE has said before that they don't want to prevent people from seeing quest content because of choices made

[wicked iron]

Oh wait, I totally misunderstood I think lol

[flat shadow]

Or I did

[daring dragon]

From what I can guess.

We are 2 of the same character sharing the same world/universe. Like 2 bodies 1 mind but different point of views but same overall.

Hmm I just hope storyline doesnt change a crap ton and allow both versions to balance.

[subtle crown]

Same person, 2 individuals.

[daring dragon]

Yea.

Tho I do miss playing as Drifter

The gameplay. Because I chose drifter because I wanted to do healing and smoke grenades.

[flat shadow]

You can still play drifter. Option is in the spoiler chair

[daring dragon]

@flat shadow I know but drifter plays as normal operator after quest, I wanted to be able to use smoke bombs, stim, and radar.

There could be a update maybe. Like Equinox day and night form.

Drifter form and Operator form.

Imagine being able to do that mid mission.

[subtle crown]

Yeah, there were a bunch of theorycrafting about operator getting the more void power like skills and drifter getting gadget like skills. Both keep void dash though since it is such a key part of gameplay.

[real niche]

For now, only theories

[daring dragon]

Yea but I think abilities to switch gameplay style should be a thing.

Like drifter has 3 ability. It's 4th could been the ability to change to Operator abilities.

[real niche]

I've been hearing enough complaints about how the game called Warframe has many different things you play as that arent Warframes

[subtle crown]

If we get it then we get it. If not the void pre-teen is now a void adult.

[daring dragon]

It is at least interesting idea.

Overall storywise, hella amazing.

[subtle crown]

Interesting yes, but like everything in this game there will be a meta figured out and most people would use the mathematical BiS.

[daring dragon]

Wish we played Veso and Khal more. Sad they were one time characters.

[subtle crown]

Yeah, I would love a sort of “beast master” build based on Veso section where I had a lot more control over robotic companions.

Being able to tell a moa to go where I want it to would solve a bunch of issues with their precepts.

[torpid lantern]

To be honest, I think I would've liked that WAY more

The drifter feels a bit out of place with void powers. They didn't have them their entire life but yet can wield them instinctively? Kinda fishy.

[subtle crown]

Like the operator gets void blast with the full strength effects. Drifter would get a grenade with weaker void blast effects but the tradeoff is it's a projectile/ranged.

[torpid lantern]

Mhmm! And Enemy Sense/Heath restore as the others. Combined with them having the unique ability to use a bow and dagger, it would give a reason to choose one over the other. For the diversity. Right now they've turned into a purely cosmetic choice and I don't really like that. I miss the distinction from the Quest.

[frail nymph]

Hunhow can talk to you without it

[frail nymph]

That reminds me of someone who tried to rationalise the Ember codex with cleaning drones...
Kahleen finds the Tenno on a ship that was pristine and clean as if it never even left, and that was suspicious. The dude argued that it was not suspicious and that some cleaning drones would have automatically fixed the Zariman.

[frail nymph]

And who knows? Maybe the infested hive mind could follow them even through the continuity

[frail nymph]

I don't thing it'll be easy to go to Drifter's original timeline, but at least Duviri is an option for now.

[subtle crown]

I figured that the neural sentry would have kept the ship clean.

[frail nymph]

Well that's one thing, but repairing raging fires and all kinds of damage and restocking environmental/food etc is a whole other thing.

Also Kahleen was surprised for a reason... She wouldn't be surprised if Neural Sentries are expected to keep things clean in any military ship... It wouldn't be a focal point of the lore entry

[heavy obsidian]

When Planes of Duviri showed up in one of the Tennocons and Drifter showed up riding a horse, a lot of players thought of it as a adult Operator. That was before New War and now New War came to the game, Duviri showcase back then makes more sense

[fallen verge]

ya ever notice how when u pull the crystal out of the final archon, the cutscene crystal for the bossfight is almost never the same?

[craggy drum]

Yeah I killed Boreal last so pulled a blue crystal, but the crystal was red in the cutscene when Ballas yoinks it.

[frail nymph]

What do you mean?

Duviri was stated to be post new war content from the beginning, so what exactly makes "more sense?"

[heavy obsidian]

I don’t think they said that in a Tennocon 3 - 4 years ago

It was in the same Tennocon that previewed RJ i think

[frail nymph]

Duviri was always supposed to be post New War Content. They said that in 2019 they panned to deliver New War and Empyrean, but only start working on Duviri.

This board is discussed like 3 times in 2019, starting from January. And Duviri was never mentioned before 2019 as far as I know.

[frail nymph]

The Tennocon stuff was long after they already said Duviri would be Post New War

It also shows why Deimos came out of nowhere. DE had no way to finish any cinematic content while working from home, including new war. They didn't even know when lockdown would end.

So instead of working only on New War, they shifted Deimos up, along with necramechs and corpus railjack and sisters and all the reworks. That's why they had so little time with New War and it came out with rushed sections like the end of Act 1 and very little fall of Narmer/post quest content. That's also why we had no cinematic content at all in 2020 as well as the beginning of 2021, until they got back to office.

Before Deimos, Necramechs would not exist, so Teshin having to go into Praghasa alone in Act 1 would also make more sense than it currently does.

That reminds me, I should find when they got back to office and started motion capture finally... Didn't have a chance to pin point it till now

[heavy obsidian]

You should find it from a Devstream or virtual Tennocon last year

Also the dragon in Duviri, that’s in Deimos as well

[supple dagger]

It's more specifically a Railjack Teaser

[frail nymph]

Should find what?

In tennocon all we had was the Duviri cinematic trailer and a little bit of art reveal.

And all of that was consistent with our current understanding of things

[hollow yew]

But as a frieeenddd

[hollow yew]

I would like a cooler end for Narmer (or the possibility of a new relationship with the stalker and hunhow)

[torpid lantern]

I think I understand and agree

I definitely would like Stalker to stop trying to send the Tenno to Orokin jail every time they take out a boss like Phorid. I mean, really. Phorid? He's not even good for the system xD

[topaz island]

i mean the stalker and his acoloytes are tenno who want revenge

[supple dagger]

That part is still speculation sadly

Stalker is a weak maybe, but we have no clue what the deal with the Acolytes are

[topaz island]

i mean hasnt it already been confirmed that he is a tenno

[supple dagger]

Nope

[topaz island]

im pretty sure it was but oh well

[supple dagger]

He at best gets an implication in Second Dream

But his codex lore means he can't be a Tenno as far as we know

[topaz island]

then what is he

he isnt a warframe

maybe he's more similar to the drifter

[supple dagger]

Oh, he very much is a Warframe

The two best guesses are he's been turned into a frame a la Umbra, or he tranference into a frame a la Silvana

[topaz island]

possible

that would explain his motive

[cyan crest]

We know his motive
He was a guard at the last ceremony to congratulate the tenno for ending the old war
The tenno started killing orokin, he survived and now he's salty about the whole leaving his life without purpose thing

[topaz island]

lmao

[cyan crest]

The source is his codex entry, which tells this story

[topaz island]

fair point

[cyan crest]

So he is probably not a tenno himself
However, the acolytes might be, and perhaps joined him after waking up from the second dream, since they debuted in Operation: Shadow debt, which was riiiight after the Second dream

[olive rapids]

Hm...

Then why does look like a mutated version of the zariman suit?

[cyan crest]

It predates the zariman suit by a lot so I doubt there was any intention to connect the too
Specially when it's just a Excalibur body but pallette swapped and given a weird helmet

[frail nymph]

Erra can talk to you as well but he's no friend.

This has nothing to do with being friends, aside from not having to speak through the War.

[frail nymph]

Does it though? Would you say Excal looks like a mutated zariman suit?

[hollow yew]

The stalker is most likely a warframe very much like Excalibur Umbra

[olive rapids]

Stalker does. Excalibur, well...I suppose the prisma variant could. But we could also presume that these suits, based off of the knowledge we have thanks to the driftor variant of the same suit, could be a sign of stalker coming from another timeline

[cyan crest]

Except we know he comes from this one time line and we have nothing telling us that he might come from another one
Again, his body is literally just a Excalibur frame but recolored

[supple dagger]

Yeah no, Stalker is just an Excal body with a different helmet

[cyan crest]

Exactly

[olive rapids]

That does lead to the question, was he born from a dax infested by the helminth, or was his infection after the fall of the orokin?

[cyan crest]

His infection was probably after the collapse as he was just a lowly guard the day the collapse started and I doubt they would have an unmanned warframe do that after the unpiloted frames proved to be feral

[olive rapids]

Also, I do have a neat idea for a special new nidus frame.

[cyan crest]

A new nidus?

[olive rapids]

Essentially a mutualist infected variant that is created solely by the infested

[cyan crest]

Mmm
Why mutalist specifically?

[olive rapids]

What does the mutualist strain represent?

The fusion of existing technology with the infestation

Helminth was used to turn flesh into weapons

[cyan crest]

One Alad V created to that infects tech, now infused in the main hivemind

[olive rapids]

Yea.

[cyan crest]

Oops sorry it was rethorical

[olive rapids]

One could presume that the hivemind would try and create something that could match the warframes in power

Given how its previous units have been, for all intents, completely unsuccessful.

And we know that alad v once controlled a Mesa frame.

And, in the codex, the chroma we encountered in the new strange, is affiliated with the infestation.

So, wouldnt it make sense for the hivemind to try and replicate a frame, that has a very critical connection to the infestation? The one that, for many years, could access the nervous system of all orbiter landing crafts?

And yes, it would have a similar function to umbra, where without a transference link, it would go completely feral. But in this case, it can be explained in a new way. Perhaps it could be done by the helminth itself taking control of the chassis to satisfy its hunger

[frail nymph]

Is he? Isn't his pelt sentient?

[olive rapids]

Nope. In the codex he is listed as an infested

[frail nymph]

Nidus is no more connected to the general infestation than any other frame.
He was just a Warframe that had Helminth's ability of creating infestation.

[frail nymph]

All frames are infested. I'm talking about the pelt. Heard somewhere that it was sentient or something

[olive rapids]

I'm talking the codex directly

[olive rapids]

Factions

The enemy one.

[frail nymph]

Any enemy warframe would be infested faction

They're all infested

[olive rapids]

Then let's say Caliban was one.

That would be an interesting case, given how he was a creation by erra

How would the sentients be able to control the infestation to create him? I mean, isnt the infestation about as poisonous to them as the void?

[frail nymph]

Caliban is obviously an exception... Still not sure what makes him a Warframe other than just having special powers and walking like a humanoid

Apparently Caliban is part biological, which must mean infestation since he is a warframe after all

[olive rapids]

That doesnt explain how he was made.

[frail nymph]

Don't need to know exactly how he was made

[olive rapids]

Isnt the infestation Poison to sentients?

[frail nymph]

Nope

[olive rapids]

Huh.

[frail nymph]

It does absolutely nothing to the sentients

[craggy drum]

No it’s not. The Orokin started reusing the infestation because the Sentients could take over their machines and turn them against the Orokin

[frail nymph]

Only the Void is particularly effective against Sentients, and that's only because they were designed like that

[olive rapids]

So, that would mean these same sentients managed to get ahold of an infested strain to be able to create caliban.

[frail nymph]

Well, Ballas was probably there to help

[olive rapids]

Well, heres an interesting tidbit on nidus prime

[cyan crest]

Not "an" infested strain
Just helminth

[frail nymph]

Regarding Nidus...

[frail nymph]

I still don't know what you mean by critical connection.

[cyan crest]

They are inmune

[olive rapids]

The ravening plague-bearer returns in a long unseen form, seething with a primal strain of the infestation

[frail nymph]

Nidus is critically connected to the Helminth when compared with other frames, but not infestation in general.

The connection being that he can create infestation just like helminth can, whereas other creations of helminth cannot do so.

[olive rapids]

I do wonder if the dax that became nidus was actually infected by a different infested strain prior to the helminth transformation

[cyan crest]

Primal strain of the infestation can refer to the more unhinged version of helminth he uses

[cyan crest]

Why is everyone under the assumption that all warframe were Dax, when the only confirmed one is Umbra?

[olive rapids]

Their greatest soldiers.

Which we presume were the dax

[cyan crest]

We only know they were their best, volunteers or not
It's not exclusively Dax soldiers

[wicked iron]

It didn't say anywhere they only took their greatest soldiers, in fairness. 🙂

[frail nymph]

What? Why? Nidus hasn't even shown a link to any type of infested strain except helminth.

[olive rapids]

It's not like they would put an executor under the knife

[cyan crest]

Exactly, Ballas only said they took their greatests

greatests?

[wicked iron]

lol

[frail nymph]

Greatestesies

[olive rapids]

Think about it in this way. And, do take it with a hand full of cetus salt.

[frail nymph]

Yeah okay but what next?

What does having a different strain of infestation in him do? And why isn't anything like that ingame?

[olive rapids]

Why is it that nidus was the only attempt at overcharging the helminth strain in the orokin age?

[thick jolt]

We do have the proto frames that went berzerk

[frail nymph]

Why is it that Gara was the only attempt at overcharging the sharpness of glass shards in the orokin age?

It's just a type of Warframe

[cyan crest]

Why is it that Excalibur is the only attempt at sword?

[olive rapids]

I feel like they were all created out of necessity, or for a status symbol

[frail nymph]

How does that explain your question about why there isn't another Nidus-like frame, exactly?

[olive rapids]

Nidus feels like a case where it may have been created during, or slightly before the fall of the orokin empire

[frail nymph]

Bruh what?

Wasn't Nidus one of Ballas's greatest achievements and stuff? What does it have to do with the fall of the empire?

[olive rapids]

Wasnt the fall of the empire partly caused by the infestation?

[frail nymph]

Nope

[cyan crest]

It was a rather minor problem considering the genocidal robo invaders at the doorstep
And the kids

[craggy drum]

…no?

It was the Tenno going all murdery on the Orokin

And the Sentient invasion before that

[olive rapids]

Wait.

[thick jolt]

And grineer rebelling

[olive rapids]

Isnt there a distinction between the helminth and the technocyte?

Or are they one in the same

[cyan crest]

That's post collapse

[frail nymph]

Everything Coprus says makes no sense until we realise that he has had a grave misconception like Sentients being allergic to infestation and orokin dying to infested... Who knows what else?

[cyan crest]

Helminth is just a tame strain of technocyte

[frail nymph]

^ The one your helmith chair is made of

[cyan crest]

And your warframes

[olive rapids]

And the same one that is keeping our orbiters functional

[craggy drum]

The Helminth in a hybrid strain. Carefully cultured to be disconnected from the Infested Hivemind and kind of domesticated to make Warframes/cover all the biological needs for an orbiter

[frail nymph]

only the biological functions

Which I'm pretty certain are only necessary for the frames themselves, but I could be wrong

[cyan crest]

Ordis only says it does the biological functions in the orbiter, which for all we know, it's just maintaining the warframes, as the hm itself confims

[craggy drum]

Possibly being the source of breathable air in the Orbiter too

[cyan crest]

Mmm, does infestation do photosynthesis?

[olive rapids]

Like a purified version of technocyte spores

That's pretty clever if true

[frail nymph]

No, helminth is not made for spores. Spores are just a means of spreading

[cyan crest]

Less purified, more "thank your creator it's not trying to kill you"

[frail nymph]

Instead of spores, the helminth uses needles that stab your warframe

[cyan crest]

Just like any fungi

[craggy drum]

Plants use Photosynthesis for energy.

Helminth eats our trash for energy

[cyan crest]

So how would it produce oxygen?

[frail nymph]

Does it even need to be producing oxygen? Corpus ships don't have helminth chairs making oxygen

[olive rapids]

Yes?

The tenno are still (somewhat) human

[cyan crest]

Something else entirely could be responsible for the oxygen production

[olive rapids]

Corpus ships and orbiters are quite different

One is mostly mechanical

[frail nymph]

The Orbiter is mostly mechanical as well

Just the infested room is infested

[cyan crest]

Yup, only the infirmary is infested

[frail nymph]

Well, mechanical and also Tenno voodoo void crystals

[olive rapids]

The other (going by how some of the orbiters seem flexible and can bend shape to a small degree in the loading screens) seem to have some level of infestation in the base construction.

[frail nymph]

Bendy things does not mean infestation lol

[cyan crest]

bend shape? It just
Opens parts of it
It doesn't bend

[olive rapids]

That or it's some form of flexible metal

[frail nymph]

Moas are not infested and they look much more bendy and organic than any landing craft

[cyan crest]

It just moves

[real niche]

Pretty sure that's the landing craft, not the orbiter, too

[cyan crest]

Also that, that's just the landing craft

[real niche]

The obriter is what houses the Helminth

[olive rapids]

Brb, need to check on the xiphos real quick

[frail nymph]

Orokin use flesh to make a lot of architecture, but none of that is infested flesh

[real niche]

I'm so tired

[cyan crest]

I'm gonna go to sleep, byeeee

[olive rapids]

Yea...this is unusual.

[frail nymph]

4am here already

[olive rapids]

The liset is definitely the most mechanical looking of the landing crafts

[frail nymph]

On the bright side, I gathered the automated transcripts of 25 devstreams in one notepad... 135 more to go

[craggy drum]

The infestation uses nanites that can convert any living tissue into whatever it wants by altering the DNA…

There are fish swimming around underneath the Helminth so it probably converts a fish into oxygen producing microbes or something.

[cyan crest]

Thing is
Those fish are not infested
They are regular plains fish
Bye for real this time

[frail nymph]

"probably"

[real niche]

That assumes those fish need oxygen to breath /s

[olive rapids]

Could make sense for the orokin to use that in the construction of landing crafts for the tenno

Would remove the need for a conventional oxygen system

[frail nymph]

No it wouldn't, cause Orokin don't use infested flesh in their flesh-based architecture anyway.

And a conventional oxygen system is probably far better than anything that's infested

[cyan crest]

Except the only confirmed use of the helminth is making warframes and serving as the warframe repair bay/other functions it says it has

[real niche]

I'm scared to think of what Infested milk tastes like

[olive rapids]

That would likely be the fluids found on deimos

[frail nymph]

Probably like whatever that skywalker dude drank from that alien mammal looking thing in star wars

[olive rapids]

Or, whatever it is

Weird how we can...stand on it.

[frail nymph]

Exocrine is not milk lol

[olive rapids]

So...those rivers are all exocrine?

[frail nymph]

Yes, that's what Daughter calls it

[olive rapids]

Huh

[frail nymph]

It's the exo version of endocrine, which in humans is a hormone transport system etc

[olive rapids]

Speaking of deimos, I still dont understand the vulpaphyla.

Granted, I know it has a larva form, but...why does it look so much like a kavat?

[real niche]

Vulpa, root vulpes, or "fox"

[olive rapids]

Ah.

[thick jolt]

Foxes do tend to think they are cats

They are just stuck in the bodies of dogs lol

[olive rapids]

Yet the predasite feels less like it's a fully infested borne creature

[real niche]

Because it (and the majority of infested things) aren't

[olive rapids]

Huh.

So the predasite is probably some sort of infested kubrow

[thick jolt]

Cat like creature yeah

[olive rapids]

But the vulpaphyla is fully borne from the infestation

But, I do wonder, what is buried under some of the unexplored parts of deimos.

Like the decrepit orokin tower that seems to have an active generator within...

[frail nymph]

Mesa also comes in the infestation category just like Chroma, so yeah

[frail nymph]

This question is the entire design philosophy behind every mission in Deimos. (Except surface bounties)

[olive rapids]

Unexplored to us.

[frail nymph]

So far we have only seen Iso Vaults and Arcana, but we'll see more

[olive rapids]

That orokin tower does interest me

[frail nymph]

We've already been inside the Orokin Tower... It's the Necralisk

[olive rapids]

Um, no?

Not there

[frail nymph]

Where, then?

[olive rapids]

It should be near the south west part of the cambrian drift

It has some sort of orokin energy generator

Glowing cyan blue

I'll find it once I'm done my alert

[frail nymph]

It's just an infested glowy blob

It's also breathing, whatever it is

[olive rapids]

No, I dont think it's that one. Iirc, it ended at a hallway

[olive rapids]

I'll check shortly

[frail nymph]

Yes, this hallway

[olive rapids]

Interesting that its glowing the same blue as vome.

[frail nymph]

All kinds of stuff glows blue like Vome

There's the Orokin tower inside the Necralisk

Other than the big entrance, of course

[olive rapids]

Just to confirm, the blue infested pulse is in the actuary's pride, right?

[frail nymph]

I checked Cerebrum Magna

Cause you said South West

[olive rapids]

I may have mixed up my directions.

[frail nymph]

There's nothing in actuary's pride...

[olive rapids]

The map does show something interesting though

[olive rapids]

Try zooming out and looking at it. Seems like a collapsed orokin tower

Oh.

[frail nymph]

It's pure infestation

[olive rapids]

Wait...I'm getting closer look from the air.

No it's not!

If you go further up there is what looks to be part of a ship!

[frail nymph]

holding on to something that looks like a corpus ship

[olive rapids]

Moving in to investigate further

Yea, seems like a destroyed flagship

[frail nymph]

Even the underside is pure infestation

[olive rapids]

Checking the ship for any corpus text

[frail nymph]

The structure is very similar to Corpus. Could just be anything but orokin

[olive rapids]

Those blue lights are definitely their styling

I wonder how it got there

[frail nymph]

Feels like someone tried to escape in a ship that was partially taken over. Thought they could escape but the infestation just tore it apart

I can't explain the infestation reaching out so far any other way

[olive rapids]

Perhaps it was already caught by the infestation, and the ship was tearing itself apart trying to break free

Wait...I'm taking a better look at the cerebrum magna core, and I'm noticing something odd.

Looking up above the mass itself the cieling just above looks somewhat symmetrical.

Perhaps this used to be an orokin structure

[obtuse rune]

Ask Latrox.
Marooned Corpus researcher, unwilling resident on Deimos and ally-of-circumstance to the Entrati. Happy to see a non-Infested face.

[hollow yew]

Was just gonna say that

[weak harness]

Operators are so short.

[snow cave]

How else they gonna fit in the frames

[opal rapids]

No, Drifter Tol

[lavish basin]

We’re gonna ignore the fact that the drifter is taller than like, half of all frames?

[errant charm]

I think half of the frames do not even stand up fully straight

[lavish sparrow]

I'm an angel of zariman

[idle garnet]

going to fight ordis, wish me luck

[swift pond]

Oof, good luck chief. Heard some horror stories about the Ordis fight.

[west field]

How do you fight Ordis?

Or even find that node?

[past kiln]

if lotus or ordis are speaking and you hover over an assassination like that their image goes where the target’s usually goes

[west field]

That explains everything

[tough path]

XD

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm. AoZ should hopefully give more info about the "lone tenno operatives" natargulotus keeps talking about

[heavy obsidian]

And somehow gets in and out of all frames just fine. When i compared Drifter to Garuda, she’s about as tall as the frame or a little taller

[timid bobcat]

Hi .

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think height matters there, considering how awkward it looks when you calm umbra during the sacrifice

[viral palm]

The operators aren't actually wearing the frames tho, yeah? They just use them more like a point of transference.

[cyan crest]

exactly

Because frames are/were people

[real niche]

They arent "in" the frame

They're remote controlling them from a chair

[frail nymph]

Not really. Not unless they want to use the chair.

[frail nymph]

You just don't have a physical body anymore when using a frame. (After War Within, at least)

[fleet veldt]

"Bio-drones under our command..." - Ballas, Vitruvian

Warframes are surrogate bodies perfectly oriented for the rigors of combat against practically all threats - these capabilities are only made fully possible with a Tenno orienting them.

Tenno themselves don't require a Transference rig/seat/chair/booth/thing - that's more a comfort thing, though they can use the 'frame as a portal/door between wherever they could be meditating to their 'frame's spot.

However, non-Tenno will require some Kuva to help them make that connection, but they (like with Silvana) are untrained and unskilled.

[real niche]

You do have a physical body though, that body is just somewhere else, like how all Tenno's bodies were in Lua before we brought 'em home.

[frail nymph]

Again, not after War Within.

Before War Within, yes. You are in the pod/chair.

But after War Within, that changes. Now you can be wherever you want, including inside your Warframe without a physical body

That's why you walk out of your physical body during innate transference and out of necramechs.

Also why Umbra manages to yank out your physical body

[fleet veldt]

Also, according to Alad V (Second Dream), when he opened up a Warframe it seemed to be empty, in a sense.

So we might come across a time where/when we learn how to craft the frame's systems independently as a piece of wearable gear that allows us to emulate the frame's powers.

[frail nymph]

Yeah there's nothing hollow inside, just regular person infested meat stuff

[frail nymph]

It's kinda cool that when you're using arsenal in that Sacrifice cutscene, your operator is literally watching your frame from a third person perspective where the camera is...

[fleet veldt]

Your Operator -is- the third person.

Except when you're Operator. Then that's Drifter.
Except when you're Drifter. Then that's Operator.

[frail nymph]

Well I'm not sure if Drifter literally watches you in third person perspective when you're controlling operator, but yeah they definitely watch you in some way.

The Duo seems to always know wassup

[fleet veldt]

Drifter's been watching us pretty much the entire time, hence how they weren't too surprised with the state of the Sol system and everything that we've been through.

It's like us watching our own gameplay with no way to interact with it.
Except now, that's possible - but someone has to keep an eye on our backs, yes?

[frail nymph]

I doubt it's been the entire time. I think it's only after the choice in the dinner scene.

Cause otherwise why did Drifter ask whether you got your Warframes back and whether Ordis is okay and where Lotus is

[fleet veldt]

Void be weird that way.

[olive rapids]

That would be awesome

[supple dagger]

They don't need Kuva, just a Somatic Link

[olive rapids]

So, how exactly did umbra just, well...rip us free from our somatic link in the sacrifice?

[supple dagger]

Not empty, just didn't make sense

[fleet veldt]

We connected to him. It's a two-way road.

[frail nymph]

You weren't using the somatic link in the sacrifice.

You don't really need the link anymore after War Within.
In that instance, your presence was over there rather than the chair

[olive rapids]

Ah

[fleet veldt]

The link's more for people who don't know how to properly use Transference, or aren't Tenno.

[olive rapids]

Wonder if our amps will be overcharged in power when we enter the zariman

[supple dagger]

They shouldn't

[olive rapids]

Given how it's likely still in the void

[supple dagger]

Amps only help focus and change Void Beams

[heavy obsidian]

🤨

[frail nymph]

Or maybe the opposite, kind of like how Wisp's 4th ability would be useless while fighting on the surface of the Sun

[fleet veldt]

It's more like 'wedged' between then, the Void, and now. Besides, overcharging Amps like that may actually injure the Tenno as we're essentially drawing in Void energy much like how anyone else would breathe.

I'm personally hoping we get an ability to layer a bit of Void damage atop any weaponry we get to put on the Drifter, since New War showed the Tenno (at least Drifter) was able to handle and use bows and knives to a good extent.

[supple dagger]

Being in the Void means nothing to amps

[olive rapids]

Huh

Youd think that the "void demons" would be strengthened when within. But, I suppose not

[heavy obsidian]

Very true

[supple dagger]

We still need to see how this Zariman even exists as is

[olive rapids]

Well, the golden alleys and silver finish it once likely had have long been torn away

But then, how have the orokin ships in the void retained their golden luster?

[supple dagger]

Zariman wasn't gold

[olive rapids]

Hang on

The zariman ten zero was built by the orokin, right?

[past kiln]

Yes…?

[supple dagger]

Zariman has always been between Tan and Gray

[past kiln]

Wouldn’t be surprised if earlier Orokin architecture looked more like the Zariman interior and less like Void/Lua

[fleet veldt]

The Z10-0 has more of a Tenno palette going on with it - it's a colony ship (though could've also been military, may just be timelines crossing because Void).

All things Tenno are quite visibly derived from the Z10-0's designs in all respects.

[olive rapids]

So that would mean that the zariman is far older than most orokin structures we have encountered

[supple dagger]

Not really?

[fleet veldt]

Not by much. Remember, this ship was meant to go to the Tau System which the Sentient (though Orokin didn't know they became sentient at the time) was supposed to be done with terraforming by the time the Z10-0 arrived.

[olive rapids]

What if it was partly an old era corpus collaboration project?

[supple dagger]

Like, Orb Vallis and Unum would be far older

It wouldn't be

Corpus had no part in Zariman stuff.

[fleet veldt]

It's purely an Orokin endeavor, not that I don't recall any Orokin aboard the ship per se. Corpus couldn't bribe the Empire because it'd put the whole Corpus in an impossibly large debt.

[past kiln]

Corpus didn’t exist then iirc

Also it was purely Orokin even if they did

[supple dagger]

Corpus did exist, just not quite the capitalists we have now

[olive rapids]

Yea. They used to be farmers

[fleet veldt]

Hunhow was a farmer.

[supple dagger]

At some point, Granum made them rich, which could've been at any point before or after the creation and practical use of Warframes

[olive rapids]

Also, quick question: were tenno weapons mainly created as an attempt to replicate the prime weapons that we create from void relic parts?

[cyan crest]

Only Parvs and a handful others were farmers
There were also merchant cults back then, which Parvs united and boom, corpus

[thick jolt]

Think the guy who proposed to make the sentients was a corpus scientist it all fits lol

[olive rapids]

Or were those weapons created first and the orokin improved upon them

[supple dagger]

Tenno weapon are replications

[olive rapids]

Got it

[supple dagger]

Orokin stuff always came first