spoiler-chat

[small cipher]

here's a Quick idea for a new Protoframe, spoilers for the Old Peace.

||Ok so i am crafting a idea of a Caliban Proto frame who is our Teacher Itzam from the Old Peace fused with a Vessel and a touch of the void.

The Lore idea is Albrecht travels back in time to Snatch up what remains of Itzam. Using his technology to sort of revive them into a normal state. merging Sentient technology, a Vessel he had laying around and A bit of power from the Void.

Unfortunately this has left Itzam in a horrible state of dread since he is the last one of his Kind, a Normal Sentient (somewhat). He almost goes insane by the murmur due to learning this unfortunate knowledge...until he sees the Tenno, recognizing them and holds together.

Because of what Itzam could do in terms of his presence in the Origin System and his knowledge. Albrecht sealed him away and told Loid to only release him IF they were to ever head back to Tau, for Itzam knows of technology to allow such travel.||

[inner galleon]

NEW WAR IS PEAK

just finished new war

[zenith jacinth]

void kills sentients

[visual birch]

Until DE says nah it didnt

[zenith jacinth]

they've been consistent with that

[visual birch]

Caliban?

Is half sentient is he not

Basically applying the same process here but with itzam

[zenith jacinth]

half sentient, half infested, warframes only channel void not contain it

[visual birch]

The protos contain void?

[small cipher]

remember what i said this Protoframe would be Half Sentient, half Vessel and a touch of the void

[zenith jacinth]

they don't

[zenith jacinth]

why the void part tho

[visual birch]

So the issue? Aside from him saying void

[small cipher]

easy reason, Itzam was blown up. the Void in a way is what's keeping him alive

[visual birch]

I think u just want revenant 2.0

[zenith jacinth]

seems counterproductive to keep a sentient alive with the thing they're supposed to die to

[small cipher]

nope. I just want some love for Caliban

[visual birch]

Except its a sentient getting void powers rather than a warframe becoming sentient

[uncut solar]

How about we show love to a warframe without putting an unrelated character in a warframe shaped suit

[small cipher]

Itzam was my fav from the Old peace. and it killed me that he died..

[uncut solar]

New caliban deluxe would've been cool, but he's not popular enough for that

[visual birch]

No we need a xaku proto so we can see a noggle head frame when they turn into a skeleton but keep their head on

[zenith jacinth]

I don't remember itzam dying.. then again I only played old peace once on release

[small cipher]

i can see Xaku proto being a person with major Bipolar

[uncut solar]

Itzam flies away and gets blown up with a missile launcher

[zenith jacinth]

without xenoflora itzam might also just. not stay an individual

he looked like a fragment

[uncut solar]

He looked like one of the caliban summons

Just wearing glasses

[zenith jacinth]

summulyst yea

[small cipher]

that's the thing, Albrecht is using his technology and a touch of the void to keep him sane

so it looks like a Weird amalgam of sentient, a vessel and Albrecht's tech

[zenith jacinth]

ok but that's needlessly complicated and doesn't fully work

[uncut solar]

Im just tired of protos

[visual birch]

Def a fragment all the non fragments are special either the big ones like poe hunhow or praghasa, or natah and erra which dont look like fragments but they are small. Adis is also likely not a fragment

[uncut solar]

The harsh truth is

Protos have zero chance of being anything other than appealing looking humans because protos now exist to sell the game to lowest common denominator gooners

[visual birch]

WE ARE TIRED OF PROTOSLOP 🗣️ 🔥

[flat tree]

I mean the previous ones were pretty good

[zenith jacinth]

forcing protos with poor reasoning is how we got the triad, and no lore person likes the triad

[flat tree]

Lyon and Marie contestable

[small cipher]

thats the best part. the Vessel ad's a bit of Human to this skin

[visual birch]

Bro

Can we just return to sci fi

[zenith jacinth]

vessels were made using dna from the hex

[flat tree]

Ya'll think Albrecht wakes in a cold sweat with the spirit of digital extremes, telling him to infect more people with the helminth

like its 4 batches atp

split between 15 seperate warframes across 3 seperate times

[zenith jacinth]

always less though, luckily

[flat tree]

next protoframe is just one person

[solid otter]

I don't think he sleeps in general

[small cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jDXnavmSXTQ

how about this guy as a Nezha protoframe?

[solid otter]

There is not a single bed in the backrooms, not a single one

[echo basalt]

probably has multiple coffee shop punch cards done and dusted

[solid otter]

There's

The couches but I know from experience long term sleeping on a couch hurts your back like nothing else

[flat tree]

he's an old man like his back doesn't hurt like he broke it

[solid otter]

There is. Quite a few coffee cups in there too

[small cipher]

maybe do Paul Dobson as a Baruuk Protoframe?

[thick iron]

no more ascension for me 🔥

[zenith jacinth]

who

[solid otter]

Until you wanna subsume jade and still use her 💔

[small cipher]

Voice of Sensai Wu

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/41wC3LdEjAU

Ke Huy Quan as nezha proto and Paul Dobson as Baruuk proto

the teacher and student

[thick iron]

dawg what does her subsume even do

[small cipher]

OOO and maybe equinox proto could be a transgender person.
So both sides are diffrent. male as day, female as night

[solid otter]

I

Think thats a bit too far

[small cipher]

you'd be suprised. that has been done before

[zenith jacinth]

you are aware both forms are female right

[small cipher]

yes. i know.

[small cipher]

not in warframe

[solid otter]

Good trans rep makes it a little more subtle, and

That just sounds like a gateway to someone's fetish, ill be so honest

[zenith jacinth]

and that
wouldn't exactly be trans either?
more like genderfluid

[small cipher]

ahhh my bad sorry

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JoLaXByPlQQ

in dbd (i don't play it anymore) this Killer the Unknown is voiced by someone who is Gender fluid. doing both a male and female voice

So a equinox proto, one side sounds more feminine, while the other sounds more masculine. and when they are in between. it sounds like a mix of the 2

not trying to sound like i'm being rude or anything. just a idea that popped in my mind now.

Would be very intresting and cool imo :>

[solid otter]

I. Believe whole heartedly that DE needs to stop making protos. Its genuinely affecting other characters in bad, unintentional ways and its starting to get obvious

The unintentional damage Marie did to Albrecht's character pisses me off. An unreasonable amount

[small cipher]

that's alright, and understandable. to each their own I say!

i love the idea of Proto frames. adds character to frames we enjoy :>

[zenith jacinth]

if done well, protos can be good, like the first two times. now it's just forced for the sake of adding more

[solid otter]

Its not really an each to their own, I like the protoframes but it has to have an endpoint. They can't keep assassinating Albrecht's character for the sake of money, its getting nauseating.

The whole point of him is that he doesn't enjoy doing this

He doesnt want to be doing this

And. When you get. What. 13? Now 15? Protoframes, it gets to a point where it's becoming clear he doesnt actually have an issue with it

Which is undermining his character!

[echo basalt]

ngl these new 2 don't seem connected to his ass

like at all

[solid otter]

Which makes it worse for me i think

[echo basalt]

do to the corpus tech

[solid otter]

Just opens up more space for them to continue ruining other characters with it. The consent conversations were and still are horrible

I'm tired boss.

[obtuse gyro]

I want to bet that the two of them specifically asked albrecht to do it

because the progression pattern would be clear

[solid otter]

Yeah. It would be

[obtuse gyro]

from unwilling uninformed, to willing informed, to sought out desired

so like, not so much of any assassination there because we can see a thoughtline of growth on albrecht's part

[solid otter]

It would be acceptable, but. Then comes the question of why would he agree?

For shits and giggles?

[obtuse gyro]

Have you seen the two nutters?

I wouldnt be suprised if it was under threat

[solid otter]

Eh. Least it would line up to Albrecht doing dumb shit under stress

[echo basalt]

my best guess is parvos found his notes on the topic from the the disruption mission and well offered the transformation to the 2

[solid otter]

Not... entirely sure why Parvos would do that to people who probably want to murder him

before becoming protos i mean

Bevause
The hex do kinda wanna murder Albrecht

[echo basalt]

bro is an equal opportunist business man

[flat tree]

Well,
did they become protos before or after finding the boys?

[solid otter]

Good question

[echo basalt]

yea thats a good question

[solid otter]

We'll learn in like

Just under 14 days

[echo basalt]

also where the shit are they both from

[solid otter]

I believe different timelines?

[echo basalt]

not in terms of time

[solid otter]

Oh as in

Country,..?

[echo basalt]

yea

well itd be colony

or settlement

[flat tree]

If they became protos after it is for them if its before then that means they were already like this

Ryoku has some connection to the Corpus of that timeline

[echo basalt]

both do

actually

[solid otter]

Well Vena is. I think.. based on her facial jewellery [its called a Nath!], maybe south Asia?

[echo basalt]

as theres corpus writing on proto garudas blades

[flat tree]

Nath and bindi

[solid otter]

Which aligns to Garuda's name sake from memory

Something something Hinduism

[celest hollow]

yep hindu

Garuda is some kinda bird god iirc

[solid otter]

Some people were upset about Vena not being a vampire

For some reason. Unsure how they got vampire from Garuda? Maybe just

The blood aspect

[flat tree]

half-man, half-bird divine creature in Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain mythos

[echo basalt]

yep doesnt help her alt helm is named after elizabeth bathory

[solid otter]

Nice to see south Asian rep tho you never really see it that often I feel

[celest hollow]

i mean we got Wukong and Nezha as east asian tributes

Garuda for south asian

[flat tree]

is it wrong that the first character I thought of during her reveal was Symmetra 😭

[celest hollow]

Nokko for the Aussies

[solid otter]

WHY IS NOKKO AUSSIE

[celest hollow]

Nokko and Oraxia

[flat tree]

Oraxia 🥀

[solid otter]

WHY IS ORAXIA

[celest hollow]

he got that cute alt hat

[solid otter]

SHES BASED ON A SOUTH ASIAN SPIDER

[celest hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-oraxia-oraxia-teacakes1799-gif-12967775243763825584

eh all spiders are aussie territory

[solid otter]

💔

[celest hollow]

-# i didnt know that one

im not a spider fan

[solid otter]

Look up horned orb weaver if you're up to it

[celest hollow]

i have moderate arachnophobia so no

[cerulean kiln]

But there’s spiders that aren’t native to Australia

[celest hollow]

im not in the mood to punch a hole thru my screen

[solid otter]

Well. Just know they are. Very similar

Colour scheme and all

[celest hollow]

well i mean i associate australia as the spider country

[cerulean kiln]

We’d have to know what spider Oraxia is based on

[solid otter]

-# we have cool reptiles

[echo basalt]

a crab spider

[solid otter]

-# ever seen a. Uh. Blue tongue lizard/skink

[celest hollow]

isnt that an insult

[flat tree]

They actually look quite gorgeous

[zenith jacinth]

ah yes, blur

[celest hollow]

ty for the spoiler

[solid otter]

Our spiders are mainly harmless if you don't stick your appendages in places they aint supposed to be in

[visual birch]

Wait guys lowkey let me cook...
Ant frame

[solid otter]

They are quite cute. Little guys :)

[celest hollow]

spiders are omnipresent tho

[flat tree]

rhino

[visual birch]

https://tenor.com/view/solo-leveling-ant-king-beru-aura-cool-gif-2674189082719645363

[zenith jacinth]

titania without flight

[flat tree]

titania with crawl speed

[visual birch]

Mf named rhino

[cerulean kiln]

What happens if you try to attack an Australian spider

[zenith jacinth]

rhino?

[solid otter]

Ideally you shouldn't but the thing will probably die

[celest hollow]

i will anger the swarm present under australia

[zenith jacinth]

rhino is a rhino with a skin based on a rhino beetle

[solid otter]

They are far smaller than you

[visual birch]

We could have antman and wasp cosplays

[celest hollow]

they are more numerous than us

[visual birch]

Not an ant

[solid otter]

And generally far more afraid of you than you are of it

[zenith jacinth]

yes

[solid otter]

A spider bites because its scared

[visual birch]

THE ANT FRAME THE ANT FRAME IS REAAAALLL

[celest hollow]

say that to the house spiders i got that insist on invading my territory

[flat tree]

small Beetle phobia

[solid otter]

You got a bug problem then friend

[celest hollow]

like if theyre gonna move, stay to the corners and away from meeee

[zenith jacinth]

if you leave them alone they'll learn to avoid you

[solid otter]

Spiders go where food is

There's food in your home

[cerulean kiln]

How do Australian spiders always get in despite all the ways to stop them getting in

[zenith jacinth]

they open the doors

[celest hollow]

yes i like spiders that just stay in their corners eating minor insects

[solid otter]

Because there's literal vents in our walls that connect to the outside lol

Not in new houses, no but the majority of older houses

As in

Right to the outside

[cerulean kiln]

Do the people making the houses want them in

[zenith jacinth]

should add spinning razor blades to the vents

[solid otter]

Well. Spiders are generally beneficial

[visual birch]

Fatahhs stealing our donuts

[solid otter]

They keep away bugs, infestations

[zenith jacinth]

the infestation

[solid otter]

Generally serve good for your ecosystem

[wild wind]

Less than an hour ago I had a giant moth come out of my bedroom closet

[solid otter]

Did yall know mosquitoes are pollinators?

[wild wind]

thus coming into this chat and seeing this is extremely amusing

[visual birch]

"What are we gonna fight? The sun?"

[zenith jacinth]

more than an hour ago I had a bird in the hallway outside my room

[solid otter]

Dude it was probably eating your clothes

[wild wind]

yep

[cerulean kiln]

I swear flies can hardly ever get caught by spiders

[zenith jacinth]

they're too dumb to get caught

[solid otter]

I've been caught by a spider far too many times

Hate roller-skating down this one street because of it

[visual birch]

@wild wind bro u aint get the reference?

[solid otter]

Golden orb weavers, not really related to the aforementioned horned orb weaver, like to make giant ass webs across huge spaces

[zenith jacinth]

there's no need to react to a reference to show you understand it

[solid otter]

Like. Paths.

[visual birch]

L

Rip thomas

They gonna get u one day

[solid otter]

Eh

They already have

A spider bite is fine

[flat tree]

black widow

[solid otter]

Snake bites are fine

[visual birch]

King cobra

Black mamba

[solid otter]

Red backs? The ones that haven't killed in yonks?

[visual birch]

The ones with the red hourglass on their back

[flat tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1047917270124470272/1297504636240138363/attachment.gif

I've been lied to

[zenith jacinth]

as long as you're not in the middle of nowhere you're likely to survive 90% of animal bites

[visual birch]

Or australia

[zenith jacinth]

australia has medical buildings too

[flat tree]

Any of ya'll seen a Tarantula hawk?

flying shits with blue skin and orange wings

[solid otter]

In Australia, firstly, and before you bring up the inland tipan, they have never been confirmed to have killed a person

[visual birch]

Doesnt mean they not dangerous

[zenith jacinth]

wasp

[solid otter]

Mmhm. Last death, at least in Australia, was 1955

[visual birch]

Yhats just titania

[flat tree]

They're CALLED Tarantula hawks

[zenith jacinth]

no I
I was correcting pc
tarantula hawk wasp

[visual birch]

Ye its titania

[zenith jacinth]

both are correct apparently

[solid otter]

Wait until you see a mountain chicken

[zenith jacinth]

but who leaves out the wasp part...

[flat tree]

[zenith jacinth]

titania is a faerie

fairy

[solid otter]

PEPIS

[zenith jacinth]

you are the only one I've ever seen leave out the wasp

[zenith jacinth]

pepsis

they are multiple pepsi

[flat tree]

Shit I've been calling them without the wasp for years

[solid otter]

FORGOT THE S

Pipis...

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-pipis-egg-spamton-tenna-gif-12320327050613336978

[zenith jacinth]

wow that gets filtered.

good to know

[flat tree]

The bastards are still terrifying to see in person though

Haven't gotten stung by one but from what I hear its, numbing and paralysis

[zenith jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout-new-vegas-cazador-hit-punch-gif-12726698843919605696

[flat tree]

Screw them

Can almost kill me irl too

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-excalbur-umbra-the-sacrifice-light-explode-gif-14588819

[tame canopy]

another one, soon for helminth...

Crazy good haul this relic run (ignore timestamp discrepancy - a host migration happened) I legit got a universal medallionf in-mission, for the first time ever

[visual birch]

Hexis and suda player spotted, prepare for annihilation

No cost too great no blood too precious

[zenith jacinth]

no lord to edgy

the veil is just a collection of edgelords who forgot the original purpose

[visual birch]

Better than "im not like other syndicates" "now go kill my opps for me uwu"

[zenith jacinth]

that's literally just the red veil

[visual birch]

Thats hexis

[zenith jacinth]

"they kill any they deem corrupt"

[visual birch]

Hexis are bums, suda too

[zenith jacinth]

no rhyme or reason just "I don't like you, die"

kill squads are non-canon

[visual birch]

Lol cap asf

[zenith jacinth]

it is what it is

you annoy me too much with your stubbornness

[visual birch]

where do they say they aint canon? maybe its confirmed but i can see the syndicates being petty like that plus tenno have their own alignments too. they group up into clans and while they dont fight with each other not all of them gonna see eye to eye

also hexis and suda still suck equally

at least red veil got peak fits (black and red 😭 ) and cool aesthetics

[tame canopy]

I once played a defection vitus mission for like 5 or 6 waves with wisp, red veil guys apparently wants to kidnap kavor people cuz they wanna dissect them lol, they high key live up to their no cost too great ethos

[flat tree]

Suda slander is not tolerated in this house

[tame canopy]

Also their room has a grineer being dissected??? The hell are they doing with them lmao

[zenith jacinth]

just tortured

[snow ice]

science

[tame canopy]

Heh, thats simaris' specialty

[visual birch]

does suda have anything good like palladino? thats what i thought

does suda have a main quest?

does?

____?

[tame canopy]

Suda's quest let us see tsudere simaris so worth it and 10/10

Got old simaris to go uhh and umming when he pulled up to save suda from hunhow lmao

he got a loyalty defect kek

[flat tree]

Suda was an archimedian and is only interested in knowledge

And not killing 9 billion people

[visual birch]

yeah i dont remember octavias anthem so idk

[tame canopy]

Whenever you the tenno do simaris scan missions you are basically sending that target to the Digital Circus Sanctuary ™ to be killed non stop in the onslaught

[visual birch]

suda... is a fraud

the love for suda is ungarnerd

[visual birch]

the amazing digital sanctuary

[tame canopy]

I like the hexis, personally, i wonder how they make their brand of anti warframe tech, and why theyre considered arbiters for the tenno and others

[visual birch]

they have anti warframe tech?

[tame canopy]

Arbitration drones

Makes enemies invulnerable, cant be damaged by wf abilities, need u to use ur loadout to shoot or slash them down

[visual birch]

right but vor had some so im not surprised ig

[flat tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187307015832354860/1491598875054706729/sayo.gif

[tame canopy]

Since when did vor got some? Unless you mean whenever he gets shield gated from damage

[visual birch]

sonion needed to replay vors prize 💀

(before anyone says u cant ik)

[tame canopy]

Corpus and grineer got their own anti wf tech of sort too

Corpus for their nullifier bubble guys, grineer for that one guy who throws a javelin that ejects you out as operator mode until you shoot it down lol

[zenith jacinth]

the javelineers are female actually

[tame canopy]

They are????? I barely notice tbh, theyre all the same to me in death

Its quite fitting that the grineer got relatively better anti wf tech, since the worm queens were former orokins and have relations to kuva

I say that cuz the bubbles cant address our modded gear that our wf wields whereas the javelins force you out of the wf entirely and you cant even break the bubble it projects until you break the javelins, either by operator or you go out of its radius

The javelin are also way smaller and less obvious a target then the nullifiers too imo

Of course, they stopped being challenging once you played long enough, but between the two, kuva grineer javelineers are more annoying to me lol

[tame canopy]

Palladino goated for 35k kuva

Most effortless farm for kuva

[celest hollow]

yk

suda is actually the most irrelvant syndicate like what do they even do

[solid otter]

She

[celest hollow]

Music

[solid otter]

Syndicates don't do shit in general

[celest hollow]

i mean like contentwise

suda has a minor side quest

[solid otter]

She. Has a whole quest? More than a few syndicates

[celest hollow]

arbiters is in charge of a whole gamemode

[solid otter]

She also has a whole gamemode

[tame canopy]

Glast unlocks u a game mode too lol

[celest hollow]

what gamemode does suda have

[tame canopy]

Hexis recently sort of got a quest via follies hunt

[celest hollow]

Red veil has War within

or no

Chains of harrow

[solid otter]

You know the end part to the quest, the music part? That gives you standing for her. Like how Simaris does with his sanctuary

[celest hollow]

the one where youre fighting hunhow

[solid otter]

You can replay that, its the incident report next to her

[celest hollow]

ik that but thats just a long mission

[solid otter]

Yeah a

A game mode

[celest hollow]

steel meri is in charge of a boss fight and a whole gamemode

[solid otter]

Thats. A gamemode

[tame canopy]

all gamemodes are long missions 🥀

[celest hollow]

nuh uh

[solid otter]

Yuh huh

[celest hollow]

nuh UH

[solid otter]

YUH HUH

[flat tree]

What does the Perrin Sequence do lore wise considering Bekk is
a fraud

[celest hollow]

-# shi idk how to discord formatt

[junior quarry]

Thomas

[tame canopy]

Basically good guy corpus who thinks captialism needs some reining in iirc

[celest hollow]

i mean he has a quest + is in charge of bossfight

[solid otter]

-# yet you know how to do the small one?

[celest hollow]

-# yeh

[junior quarry]

and a space after

[solid otter]

-# its just the small one without the dash

[flat tree]

for big

-# for small

[solid otter]

wou... loid....

[celest hollow]

WOT

[flat tree]

or ##

[celest hollow]

huh

[flat tree]

for big

[junior quarry]

yeah I was gonna do that too but then I realized LMAO

[celest hollow]

omg

[flat tree]

Lets just start screaming!

[tame canopy]

use for code`

[junior quarry]

AHHHHHHH

[celest hollow]

No

[tame canopy]

``

[celest hollow]

wow the more yk

[tame canopy]

Use `` for codeblock

[solid otter]

to make all text indented...?

And then a space

[celest hollow]

oddity

[solid otter]

peculiar
How odd
How strange

[tame canopy]

my man cat

Use ~~

[cerulean kiln]

I wonder if this is only a thing that works on Discord

[tame canopy]

Nah these are markdown

[solid otter]

Its general formatting, not sure if -# does elsewhere but most of it does

[tame canopy]

Mhm. Markdown compatible formats

[zenith jacinth]

-#

[tame canopy]

They added url formatting too iirc [] ()

[zenith jacinth]

little baro

uh.. normal baro

I forgot that the big text format doesn't work for emojis

[solid otter]

[celest hollow]

cries about it

[solid otter]

-#

[zenith jacinth]

-#

[tame canopy]

We are the baroling

Feed us ducats

[solid otter]

Wuh

[celest hollow]

wub

[solid otter]

Wubby..

[celest hollow]

wub wub

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/wubby-paymoneywubby-gif-13487935594804679553

[still trench]

Literally the next update be like:

[celest hollow]

no artist credit

Mods, subject them to the Jade Light

[still trench]

Couldn't find his name

Oh shi.. let me find here quick

[solid otter]

Mm, odd

[cerulean kiln]

Isn’t it usually written on the art?

[solid otter]

Most artists put their name on the art

[still trench]

Ah there it is "@4MORI4N"

[still trench]

Well that's the common case

[cerulean kiln]

What a name 4morian

[solid otter]

Well

Easiest art to steal ever

[still trench]

I hope there's a valid explanation for stalker's kid to "grow"

[zenith jacinth]

they're from the future

[visual birch]

no clue what enemy u talking about

[celest hollow]

trokkarians

[visual birch]

6000 endo

[tame canopy]

Sonion should replay a zariman mission

[visual birch]

play*

[celest hollow]

nah, sentence them to the Jade Light and be done with it

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-what-ewoks-star-wars-what-gif-11364912721647642673

[tame canopy]

Real

[glacial nymph]

Dealing with the shards for the first time.. Uhh.. Do they give me all the buffs and I pick one to be boosted further? or do I have to pick one of the buffs?

[solid otter]

Pick one and it'll give you one buff

[glacial nymph]

Ahh okay, thanks

[balmy storm]

Little tip for you with yellow ones: casting speed is shockingly valuable-

[glacial nymph]

oh?

[hearty pendant]

-# also some of the ability animations are silly when sped up a ton

[solid otter]

Ive died too many times with jade's long cast animation for her. Buff Abilities

[balmy storm]

Try it out
If you get multiple stack em

Good for longer casters ofc but it is both silly and fast lol

[visual birch]

Only really good one on amber shards

[balmy storm]

I’d argue the rest can be good but it’s more situational and less broad

[visual birch]

Orb effectiveness is meh compared to other shard buffs and energy on spawn is useless

[balmy storm]

It is def more useless these days with how many ways we can generate orbs lol

Sprint speed is largely not useful but can be used for funny

Or wait
There isn’t sprint speed
Apologies

Parkour velocity is good but also situational

[visual birch]

I need to see someone use it with a parkour velocity build in ascension and 1 jump to the top

[balmy storm]

I got it mixed up with sprint speed cause fast and funny lol
Parkour velocity is good for speed

[balmy storm]

Oh I can almost do that with zephyr!

Also ig you can just get to the top via the jump pad right at the start if you aim glide

[fierce kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-wukong-ilia-amitola-rwby-rooster-teeth-kim-newman-gif-15332601

you just know if rebb ever saw this she would write gunchucks to the to be added list

special gunblade or something

[visual birch]

Already a few gunblades in the game so not far fetched

[celest hollow]

gunscythe

[wild wind]

Citrine's weapon already is there tbh

It's a scythe with the gunblade heavy attack

[celest hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-red-shooting-scythe-gif-6465456333694907278

[worthy wren]

Do you think Zeke will be effected by the Nidus retouch?

[limpid smelt]

^Hey Tenno. If you need to reach out to DE Directly, I recommend reaching out via a support ticket at https://support.warframe.com With that said, this sounds like something that should be discussed directly with Support, and not here in the Discord server where they won't see it. Thanks.

[gilded gazelle]

Apologies

I dont know where to contact support

As in outside of the site

It only lets me select some options

[limpid smelt]

you'll contact them on https://support.warframe.com . Simply select the option most relevant to your topic, if it's not 100% accurate that's OK.

[flat tree]

guh
Digital extremes liquid :o

[balmy storm]

No, why would he

Cause he shares an ability with him?
I think code-wise it may just be similar

[worthy wren]

I just know DE tends to reuse stuff and they share two abilities and I'm hoping he'll be a better on call crewmate so was wondering if there was president for this type of change

[zenith jacinth]

precedent*, but I don't think there is

[shadow forum]

👀 imagine they make new archon shards .

[wild wind]

🙏

[fierce kiln]

alchemized elemental or physical archon mods

[thick iron]

what happened to lato vandal did they make it easier to get or something

[winged sandal]

it now drop from rot A and B

[thick iron]

holy hell

[eternal flume]

a lot easier yea

[celest hollow]

yeah screw the elitist lato vandal market

embrace torture and consign yourself to Hespar Blade

[lofty girder]

Albrecht Bogdanoff strikes again

[uncut solar]

Lato vandal has fallen

Billions must defend exodampers

[celest hollow]

Pay Pennace for your Greed. Void Armageddon is Upon us.

[celest hollow]

-# "Bring Hot and Cold together... its a Blast" - Fih ||(onachee)||

[wise solstice]

Who here has all the hex at “Best Friend” rank?

[wild wind]

Most people here probably

It takes about two weeks and they've been out for years

[flat tree]

Not if you're lazy as hell [me]

[supple igloo]

I have yet to get The Devil’s Triad to max bc I pissed Roathe off and he’s got Anathema against me and I’m too lazy to go fix it.

[lethal vortex]

Have they fixed the Devil's Triad KIM problem yet

[celest hollow]

maybe there is no problem

maybe ppl just are bad at talking to the Triad

and following each characters narrative

maybe.

[uncut solar]

As a certified smooth triad talker

I got a bug once

I sent a ticket for them to reset the triad fully without the consequences of resetting normally

Bug didn't happen

[celest hollow]

i only failed Roathe once and i think it was necessary for new dialogue

failed as in i got anathema

[solid otter]

I didn't need to reset at all

I got genuinely so lucky

Only had one real bug

[celest hollow]

i mean the reset told me that Roathe happens to remember everything even after resetting him

[solid otter]

I was aware of it from something else lol

[celest hollow]

oh

[uncut solar]

My only bug was that suddenly Marie started talking about events that didn't happen

[radiant aurora]

Wait, how do the frames go to the 1999 thing?

[zenith jacinth]

helminth remakes them there

[radiant aurora]

Alr thx

[balmy storm]

Albrecht also set something up so we have access to our arsenal in 1999

[inner galleon]

I just finished the hex quest and im still had things loading in my head

what is protoframes?

[zenith jacinth]

the hex

[inner galleon]

yeah like but what is them

what is the hex

[solid otter]

Half baked warframes

[zenith jacinth]

the name is misleading, protoframes are people injected with modified strains of the regular frames that progresses slower

[inner galleon]

holyshit

[zenith jacinth]

they do not predate the original frames

[inner galleon]

so protoframes are waframes but half human with their own consciousness ?

[zenith jacinth]

yes

[inner galleon]

thats so cool

and cant you date with the protoframes? im lowk down with some romance

how tho

[balmy storm]

You can date the hex, yes

Treat them like actual people, don’t be rude, get advice from Quincy

[lethal vortex]

I was on about a bug that halts my progress on getting the captura scenes

Causing me to need to reset

[inner galleon]

but when i open the KIM their username is all weird stuff how do i know which one is authur or lennie or amir or quincy or aoi

[balmy storm]

Talk to them

Use deduction

[zenith jacinth]

basic analyzation skills

[solid otter]

You'll know, they usually introduce themselves too

The names do give away some of it

Surely the one named broadsword is the guy who used a sword

[inner galleon]

thanks alot for letting me know guys

[lethal vortex]

I already dated every Hex member, and imma keep myself on best friends status with all the members

[flat tree]

The ethics of being able to reset time?

I assume the Hex are aware of the time loop?

[balmy storm]

They’re aware there’s a loop iirc
Lettie talks about the conflicts of resetting iirc too

It is an ethical nightmare lol

[lethal vortex]

I've resetted many times for the hex before the devil's triad just to date each one, then when i was done, i had the last reset just be me not dating a single one of them

Same thing i'll be doing with the devil's triad after getting all the captura scenes

Cause my brain decided to do it after accidentally being on loved with Marie

Originally i was not gonna go for the scenes

[flat tree]

Are they aware of the events of the loop itself?

Or just know there's simply a loop happening every year

[slate roost]

Just want to say, you know, talk into the void: Excalibur umbra grabing the tenno was the coolest gaming moment i've had since i played metroid: other m as a child. Thank you.

[balmy storm]

I believe so

[wild wind]

yeah they're aware

like, the big thing is that they don't do exactly the same thing every day

maybe they miss a Scaldra grunt one loop and he gets promoted to squad leader and leads a purge

[cosmic prawn]

I think it's assumed that the Drifter gives them the basic outline every reset.

[wild wind]

They also don't forget the first loop, the reactor run

[lyric beacon]

how do i get passed this guy

new war quest

ive tried using my smoke bomb and he still sees me

[shadow forum]

Give us the exact map

We can't see that one

[shadow forum]

You don't use a smoke bomb. Just avoid them while they are distracting

[weak stratus]

Just learned about HOW the tenno killed the Orikin from Stalker's little excerpt on why he hates us, and yea...

Apparently it was a massacre at a ceramony of triumph for the Tenno?

[solid otter]

mhm

night of the naga drums

completely planned by ballas

[visual birch]

Shouldve done it during the day so they could see the tenno coming at em

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-black-guys-two-black-guys-apple-apple-laptop-gif-3090298217787114336

[wild wind]

https://klipy.com/gifs/goofy-trial--k01KRWVK78PRAB7Z8FRWQ64YMYS

[night grail]

Did you not know about the night of the naga drums

[visual birch]

New player prob

[wild wind]

tbf I don't think they mention it outside of the Stalker codex

[night grail]

Sorry I take this knowledge for granted this is grounding as hell

[wild wind]

real

[night grail]

Ive been knowing the night of the naga drums for like a decade

[wild wind]

I had someone ask me why the aliens looked like humans

[visual birch]

Only a few times I think during some main quests

[wild wind]

And I was like "well the Lotus is a mimic" and they said "no I mean the blue guys with the arm"

[visual birch]

He does have a long arm though

Like orokin cleary liked disproportionate bodies

[night grail]

Octavia's Anthem, Kullervo's Hold, Voruna leverian (in passing)

Also Reaper's Lament

[flat tree]

They/them David Bowie took part in the massacre

Straight from the stars

[night grail]

TRUE THEY DID MENTION IT THERE

[solid otter]

the flames of whatever i forgor

[wild wind]

Temple mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRXIMhSVmHc

[weak stratus]

Technically no, but also yes... see, I first started back around 2017 (I've been playing on and off since then), but that was when I was a kid, and by the time I actually could tell what was happening, I had absolutely no idea what was happening. I think I ended off getting Excalibur Umbra or somewhere around there when I was a kid, and continued a few months ago from The New War. Most recently, I finally got around to doing the Uriel quest, but it felt like he was kinda shoehorned in there a bit.

But yeah, up until recently, I had no idea what any of the lore was. I'm thinking I might try to replay all of the quests again, because OH BOY, I missed a lot as a kid

[flat tree]

Tnw?

[weak stratus]

Not until today, no

[weak stratus]

?

[flat tree]

the new war

[weak stratus]

Oh, yea

I played through all of that, but I only had a vague idea of what was going on

[wild wind]

good idea to replay then lol

[weak stratus]

^

[flat tree]

have six hours on hand lol

[wild wind]

Old Peace is a bit abbreviated but it does hit like a megaton with how it explains/reorganizes a bunch of the backstory

[weak stratus]

I should say, it was more of a lore confusion. I rememer everything we did, but not everything that was said, if that makes sense

[flat tree]

well did you do Duviri?

[weak stratus]

I did indeed

[flat tree]

and get Duviri?

[weak stratus]

Yep

[flat tree]

Did you get angels of Zariman?

[weak stratus]

I believe so

Yes indeed! (I'm in Steel Path at the moment)

I also did all the funky stuff with the Murmur

[solid otter]

whispers!

my top most replayed quest

[weak stratus]

I had absolutely no idea what was going on there though. That and 1999

[visual birch]

Replaying

[solid otter]

with a grand total of. 12 times?

[flat tree]

LICENSED NINE INCH NAILS SONG

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-entrati-albrecht-entrati-entrati-walking-gif-17498260713109834464

[weak stratus]

I now know more about what was going on there, thankfully

[wild wind]

Still the wildest thing in WF

[flat tree]

Honestly the best introduction to 1999

[solid otter]

mm, not that strange

[visual birch]

Replay literally any other quest 😭
Except the hex

[weak stratus]

I had no idea who that was when I saw him

[wild wind]

we genuinely thought the Vessels were going to be the next big thing

And not T I M E T R A V E L

[weak stratus]

What are the Vessels?

[night grail]

Hey the vessels facilitated time travel

[flat tree]

Everything including the Hex

The Hex is simply PEAK

[night grail]

The big guys in the labs

[wild wind]

Remember the big statues in the labs?

They're actually giant Warframes

[weak stratus]

What labs?

[visual birch]

He does time travel in the same quest the vessels are introduced and loid says hes gonna help us time travel lol

[solid otter]

i think space weed existing and albrecht canonically doing it is pretty strange

[wild wind]

....the labs where the murmur are?

[weak stratus]

Oooooooh, those things

[wild wind]

Yeah, they're giant Warframes

[visual birch]

They are?

[rain otter]

Duviri or the Zariman?

[wild wind]

made out of the Hex

[weak stratus]

Those giant humanoid things are Warframes?

[solid otter]

not exactly

[wild wind]

Yeah

[weak stratus]

All of the above

[solid otter]

a bit more than a warframe, a bit less in a way

[wild wind]

Crossbred the Warframe Helminth strain with the Deimos Grey Strain of infestation

[visual birch]

The vessels are nothing close to warframes

[weak stratus]

I now know what was going on there though, as I have since been briefed on the lore of the lands

[solid otter]

vessels are a hybrid of the grey strain and the helminth strain, but completely lack a human for its main body

[weak stratus]

See, that right there, I have no idea what you just said

[wild wind]

The Vessel in the Sanctum Anatomica is made from Arthur's DNA

[weak stratus]

The heckith is the grey strain?

[wild wind]

Which is why it's connected to him

[visual birch]

Deimos infested

[wild wind]

The infestation on Deimos is special

[night grail]

humanoid biomechanical things that utilize technocyte in their creation that can be used for transference

[solid otter]

they also do not seem to be prone to infestation madness, probably due to the. lack of brain

[weak stratus]

Aaaah, okay

[night grail]

Isnt that a warframe

[rain otter]

Okay quick and dirty is the Zariman was a ship that tried to Do one big void jump to tau ajd failed. In that failure it was stuck in the Void and all the parents went crazy. This is where the tenno gets their powers. Later the ship comes our of the Void.

[weak stratus]

Why's that?

[wild wind]

It makes things BIG and also does weird things like fight itself

[wild wind]

We actually don't know.

[solid otter]

makes shit big basically, its why the entrati are huge

[weak stratus]

I see I see

[rain otter]

Then we go back to it in current day cuz its back out of the Void. Does that make sense? @weak stratus

[visual birch]

Are they for war? Also do they channel void?

[wild wind]

Personally I suspect it's because the Infestation is preparing to fight The Man in the Wall's giant form

(The infestation is bullshit and can see across spacetime)

So it's responding to evolutionary pressure before it happens

[weak stratus]

Yes indeed! (I have since been briefed about the Zaramin, though I'm still a bit fuzzy on the Duviri details)

[visual birch]

When was this established?

[solid otter]

Loid suggested the hybridisation between the two strains, from memory. the vessels are also somewhat connected to the protos!

[wild wind]

er, all of 1999

[rain otter]

Okay since you know about the Zariman it's easy.

[visual birch]

So its a very new thing right?

[weak stratus]

Duviri is essentially a dream of the Operator, brought to fruition by Wally, then erased by eternalism, which in turn binded the Drifter to us?

[rain otter]

No?

[solid otter]

ehhh not exactly

[wild wind]

no

[rain otter]

Let me I AM typing.

I am can explain it better if you give me a sec and we don't all give pieces.

[visual birch]

3 way Type clash

[wild wind]

to make a long story very short, when Wally screwed over the Drifter, they made a safe space for themself

That's the short version

[night grail]

Not even close

[rain otter]

Im typing don't confuse them

Wait a second.

[solid otter]

so theres this thing called conceptual embodiment [CE]. tldr strong emotions while in the void can cause things to manifest from the void.

so, while we were in the void, after wally split the timeline and refused to help us, we got scared. and wished for a safe space. The Tales Of Duviri is a book written by Euleria [Mother!] Entrati, and due to our strong emotions, we triggered CE to activate, manifesting Duviri as a real place based on the tales and characters. theres a bit more but yk

[rain otter]

This is what I said not to do

Wait a second I'm still typing.

[solid otter]

and is it wrong? im not sure why you think you can explain it better lol

[rain otter]

No but I asked nicely for you to wait.

[visual birch]

Quick Vinny while their cursed typing is burnt out

[rain otter]

@weak stratus okay so. You know how I said that the Zariman comes out of the Void? Well that happens cus of like a deal with wally to "save everyone." The tenno when that deal gets made and that's when they split into "the Zariman and tenno that get out of the void"-operator and the "one that's stuck in the Zariman in the Void."-Drifter duviri happens cuz the Drifter is alone in the ship in the Void is reading a book about how to control your emotions but has so many uncontrolled emotions the Drifter makes the book real cuz the Void can make very strong emotions real. The Drifter is trapped in the Void from original Zariman until new war.

[solid otter]

oh. outdated info. new lines suggest mother actually wasn't aware of CE

[visual birch]

Not the og zariman

[rain otter]

That doesn't make sense.

Cuz she literally makes it for that.

[visual birch]

Why not? She talks about it in new war

[solid otter]

uh. source? cuz i got one for mine

[rain otter]

Do you?

[visual birch]

?

Mother gives a lesson on CE in tnw

[solid otter]

she acts shocked at the idea of things being manifested from the void, upset that the void did not behave how she expected, like she knew it to

allow me to get the line

[weak stratus]

Okay, so that timeline split is the same thing you both mentioned, right? We were on the Zaramin, got trapped there, made a deal with Wally, he intentionally split the timeline for some reason, and then the rest of the stuff happened?

[wild wind]

not intentionally, no

You know multiverse theory?

[weak stratus]

Eternalism?

[wild wind]

No, actual multiverse theory

Though that too

[rain otter]

WELL

[wild wind]

Whenever you make a choice it creates two universes, one where you made one choice and one where you made the other choice

[solid otter]

(scoffs) "I saw the Void as a phenomenon to be treated scientifically! Now I am told my father unleashed a monster, and my book of children's stories has come to life?"

[rain otter]

HE IMPLIES

[wild wind]

So Wally making a deal and keeping it means that there's a universe where he makes a deal and doesn't keep it

[solid otter]

thats. albrecht's interpretation lol

[weak stratus]

Oh... I thought eternalism was essentially Warframe's version of multiverse theory/the cause of mutiverse theory in Warframe

[wild wind]

Warframe Eternalism is one step past that

they actually misnamed it, in the real world eternalism is something else

[solid otter]

sure it could be a form of book to help control emotions, but i am reluctant to say it was done explicitly for void travel

[wild wind]

The theory they call eternalism in Warframe is "concretism" IRL

[rain otter]

@weak stratus @wild wind okay so to you two. Wally in the like Duviri Albretch event thing. Wally as the smoker woman is like "2 of the same person raised in different circumstances don't you understand yet?" Like it was intentional.

[solid otter]

given. she is upset? shocked? that CE happened

[wild wind]

She's talking about Neci, I believe

[visual birch]

But she literally gives a lesson on CE. She knew about CE, maybe just shocked about what was made

[rain otter]

Ehhhhh

[wild wind]

Operator and Drifter were "raised" in the same circumstances

[rain otter]

Yes

[wild wind]

Because they were the same person until the split

[rain otter]

Well nooo.

[wild wind]

And they were not raised after that

[rain otter]

Cuz like

The other things in the Zariman we know happened

Cuz the indifference wanted to see what would happen.

Like the adults going crazy.

[weak stratus]

The heck is the indifference?

[rain otter]

Wally

[solid otter]

uh. where? im looking at the transcript rn and its jus theories of time

[weak stratus]

Ah

[rain otter]

Man in the wall.

[weak stratus]

I see I see

[visual birch]

Wait

[wild wind]

@rain otter you misquoted the quote

Two identical souls raised in such different environments

Not same person

[rain otter]

@weak stratus oh btw all the holdfastes didn't immediately go insane cuz none of them had kids.

[wild wind]

but "people who are similar"

[rain otter]

This sounds like drifter and tenno

[weak stratus]

Holdfastes?

[rain otter]

Like it really does.

[rain otter]

The Zariman npcs.

[weak stratus]

Ah, alright

[rain otter]

They didn't immediately go crazy like all the adults with kids.

[solid otter]

yeah the transcripts help a lot.

[rain otter]

Cuz that's what wally did.

[solid otter]

so. mother did not know of CE, nor was she aware of wally's existence, as far as we know.

[rain otter]

He made all the adults with kids go crazy just to see what happened.

[rain otter]

She did the Void book with Albertch.

[weak stratus]

Am I spelling it wrong?? Why is, "alright" suddenly not right?

[rain otter]

Alright

No?

[weak stratus]

That should be right

[wild wind]

It actually is incorrect

It's two words, "all right"

[solid otter]

... the Palimpsest of space time. not beyond the wall of lohk.

[wild wind]

My English degree is toilet paper but I learned that much

Anyway, the Archarbor puzzles seem to indicate that the Duviri Paradox book was a way to teach emotional self-control

[solid otter]

Albrecht also told noone of it, given his daughter was kept in the dark for many things, i can see this being one

[weak stratus]

I just looked it up, and while yes, it is a word, it's mostly used in casual contexts, while "All right" is used in more formal contexts

[wild wind]

In time, your life experiences will make you into a complete person, a worthy servant of the Orokin Empire. But they can only do this if you accept them, incorporating them into your psyche. To divide parts of yourself off is to be a nation at war with itself.” —Datum Aggregator

So, in-universe quote given the mention of the Orokin Empire

[solid otter]

absolutely, im just reluctant to say it was intended for the void

[weak stratus]

Okay, I need to take a step back and ask, who the heck is Albertch? Like I know what he looks like and such and what he did in 1999, but like, WHO is he and why is he doing what he's doing?

[solid otter]

father of void tech.

[wild wind]

Euleria's not surprised about conceptual embodiment, she's surprised Duviri was conceptually embodied

[solid otter]

responsible for getting wally's finger cut off

[wild wind]

(scoffs) "I saw the Void as a phenomenon to be treated scientifically! Now I am told my father unleashed a monster, and my book of children's stories has come to life?"

[weak stratus]

Wally got a finger cut off? I thought he wasn't really a person, more like an entity

[wild wind]

Actually there's an easy way to do this

@weak stratus are you in game right now?

[solid otter]

she is surpised something manifested, she complains about the void not acting scientifically, youd reckon she would know that the void does that

[wild wind]

Go visit Necraloid in the Sanctum Anatomica

[visual birch]

Zariman tablets in duviri which are narrated by mother (euleria entrati) has one that asks what is conceptual embodiment

[weak stratus]

I am not in fact. To be honest, I should probably be heading to bed, since I have work in the morning, but I really like learning about the lore of video games

[solid otter]

those tablets arent narrated by her afaik

[visual birch]

Actually not sure if they are or if that was something else

[wild wind]

She was there when the fingers fell out of the Void

[solid otter]

the ones in TNW, yeah but the ones in duviri aint

[weak stratus]

I can't tell if it's a result of my own will, or having watched one too many GameTheory videos, lol

[wild wind]

It's supposed to produce discreet effects, like the Belric/Rania tunnel

[solid otter]

she also wasnt aware that the murmur existed despite them apparently appearing in the ruins, nor was she familiar to the knocking

[visual birch]

Considering the nature of the tablets and what we have in new war along with duviri being narrated by her its safe to assume she does. Also she's there when wally and albrecht happen I think. Like theres no way she knows eternalism and not CE when even roathe knows it

[solid otter]

ruins being the isovaults

[inner galleon]

just finished the old peace guys

[wild wind]

Manifesting a book of stories (and a kitbashed action figure) into a continent-sized kingdom with living people, flying kaithes, and dragons is NOT a discrete effect

[inner galleon]

IT WAS PEAK

[wild wind]

Remember: you can never hate Ballas enough

[inner galleon]

indeed

[wild wind]

that's just good soundproofing tbh

[weak stratus]

Okay, I'm told that I should hate him, but I don't remember everything he did to make us hate him

[visual birch]

His hate is overhyped

[solid otter]

she.

heard the knocking.

its one of her first lines

its what made her think her dad was still alive

[weak stratus]

Ah, okay, so it's one of those things where we're told we should hate him, but we don't actually hold any hate for him?

[wild wind]

He's the guy who killed real space mom, kidnapped replacement space mom, killed replacement space mom, threw you into the Void, tortured Umbra into insanity,

[inner galleon]

i mean from what i understand ballas used the tennos to turn against sentients? or am i dead wrong

[solid otter]

hes an abuser.

we do not hate him enough.

[wild wind]

Oh and he broke the Peace out of jealousy that mom liked us

[inner galleon]

okay the umbra quest was sad, he made umbra killed his own son

[wild wind]

And also conquered and enslaved the entire Origin System before trying to eat the sun to void jump to Tau

[weak stratus]

Who replaced space mom and why?

[wild wind]

Lotus

Well, Natah

[solid otter]

ballas, cuz idk brother sucks

[visual birch]

Ballas is bad yeah but like im not gonna hate on him or anything. I like his character in what he does for the story. Idk if yall just memeing or if yall genuinely hate ballas

[solid otter]

i hate him as a person

[inner galleon]

yes

[weak stratus]

How did we get a replacement of the replacement space mom again?

[solid otter]

his character is good

[wild wind]

After the Zariman, the kids were half insane and feral

[visual birch]

We dont

[solid otter]

he is a vile person.

[weak stratus]

She replaced herself?

[wild wind]

no

[weak stratus]

Or wait, is lotus Natah?

[solid otter]

mhm

[wild wind]

A scientist named Margulis started helping the kids, but her boyfriend got platinum mad about it

[inner galleon]

lotus is natah and natah is margulis

[visual birch]

First important quest in the game says this but ye

[wild wind]

He got SO mad that he had her executed

[inner galleon]

WAIT WHAT

isnt lotus margulis and natah the same person?

[wild wind]

This is the important part

[fading current]

No

[visual birch]

Natah is lotus and lotus is a mimicry of margulis

[weak stratus]

I thought so, but I just had to make sure (they looked pretty similar)

[wild wind]

Ballas decided that the entire Orokin Empire was to blame for his girlfriend's death, despite him being the reason she died (literally all he had to do was say "no" and she lived)

[solid otter]

Uh

No. Not exactly

[visual birch]

Politics

[wild wind]

So he went to the Sentients and came up with a plan to kill the Orokin

[solid otter]

The game presents it as that, but roathe, as much as I hate him, does imply that ballas was under pressure for it

And. It clearly wasn't just him who wanted it

An execution requires all members of the 7 to agree

[wild wind]

he never cared for that kind of pressure before

[solid otter]

And you know that how

[wild wind]

It's on him, he doesn't get an excuse

[solid otter]

No, i aint excusing it

[wild wind]

Look at every other way he abused his privileges

[solid otter]

Its just what seems to have happened

[wild wind]

Why the hell are you caping for him over this

[solid otter]

Not when it requires all of the 7 to agree.

[wild wind]

So he says no, what are they going to do, kill her anyway?

Nahhhhhhhh I don't buy it

[weak stratus]

What did Roathe do again, and why did he get his memories erased? Also, how many times am I allowed to erase him for this week's Decendia before it's considered sociopathic?

[visual birch]

The more I remember it the funnier it is in apostasy prologue that ballas just shows up and steals space mom 2.0. We never see him before that lol

[solid otter]

Unless ballas managed to intimidate the rest of the 7 into getting her executed, they too wanted her dead.

[wild wind]

that's the entire question, and as many as you want

[fading current]

Same

[solid otter]

You also forget that she took the blame for the tenno acting out

[inner galleon]

im legit farming for uriel after this

the badass frame

[weak stratus]

Okay, so what the heck is going on with the Natah, Lotus, and Margolis stuff?

[visual birch]

The tenno acting out was him going after Ballas? She took the blame for the treaty being broken when the tenno got tricked into activivatijg the world seeders

[wild wind]

Anyway, @inner galleon @weak stratus Ballas had the Sentients make a "mimic", a Sentient that could take human form. This was Natah. He took Natah and programmed Margulis's memories into her, and called the fusion of Natah and Margulis "the Lotus".

[inner galleon]

OOOOOO I GOT IT

[solid otter]

Albrecht did it to him, no clue if he asked for it or not.

And given memory tampering is very offensive to the orokin, you probably just need to think of it and it would be considered that, by Roathe at least

[weak stratus]

Aaaaaah, okay

[solid otter]

... acting out as in attacking the academy.

[visual birch]

The academy that was already destroyed from the treaty being broken lol

[wild wind]

The plan was for the Lotus to pretend to destroy the Sentients, then have the Tenno kill the Orokin. Then she'd put them to sleep.

Then after that, she was supposed to kill every last one of them.

[solid otter]

... no it. Was from us. Who triggered that breach.

[wild wind]

She didn't do the last part which screwed over everyone's plans.

[weak stratus]

So could just anyone be turned into a Warframe, or did it have to be a specific group of people, also, who the heck were the Tau again?

[wild wind]

Tau Ceti

An actual star system

[solid otter]

No, dont name the actual system, its not actually Tau Ceti

[visual birch]

Actually weird thinking about the fact lotus is younger than the tenno

[solid otter]

Tau ceti for one isnt a binary star system

[wild wind]

The Orokin wanted to go to other solar systems, but didn't want to take the trip

So they sent a bunch of robots to build the solar rail and do the terraforming

[visual birch]

Okay so what was margulis killed for?

[wild wind]

Those robots were the Sentients

[visual birch]

I believe it was mostly the terraforming that was an issue

[solid otter]

For protecting the. Tenno?? Taking the blame for what happened during the old peace?

[weak stratus]

Oh right, you mentioned that

How did those peeps with the funky hats get there though? (I think they're the tau, right?)

(NO, the Dax, that's who I was thinking of)

[solid otter]

You know

Committing treason 😭

[visual birch]

Omg bro and what did the tenno do that she took the blame for bruh

[solid otter]

Oh good lord

[weak stratus]

Who the heck are the dax?

[wild wind]

Dax are just Orokin bodyguards

But like, super soldier versions

[solid otter]

Dax are warriors, seemingly genetically modified for. Something

[weak stratus]

Ah, okay. And umbra was one?

[wild wind]

Yep

[solid otter]

Yes, so was dagath!

[visual birch]

I shall consult the transcripts

[wild wind]

A lot of Warframes were originally Dax soldiers

[solid otter]

Mm, we only have.. 2 confirmed dax soldiers

[weak stratus]

I see I see, makes sense since they seem pretty strong

[solid otter]

2? I think its 2

[wild wind]

The idea was to combine Dax training with infested regeneration and Grineer reproducability

[solid otter]

Wh

[weak stratus]

How many frames did they make? Do we know? If not, do you think we'll ever find out?

[solid otter]

Where are you pulling that from

[wild wind]

All of the original anti-sentient plans

[wild wind]

Like, Warframe lines? Probably hundreds.

Total Warframes? Hundreds of thousands, probably.

[solid otter]

We will never really know, so far, from memory, its well over 100 now [including primes]

I will also say that warframes were not produced to the scale of Dax or Grineer

[weak stratus]

Oh dang, so DE isn't stopping anytime soon then, huh (Thankfully!)

[wild wind]

The idea is that we've only recovered a fraction of the original models

And there were some that never made it into full production

They would build Warframes and just decide they weren't good enough

[weak stratus]

And I heard we recreated some from incomplete prime blueprints or something

[wild wind]

That's not a thing as far as we know

[visual birch]

@solid otter sonion the treason is def for the world seeders not the academy that was already up in flames no one would even know the tenno attacked it if all the grineer there died

[solid otter]

Nah but Albrecht does have a weird amount of warframe blueprints

[weak stratus]

Wait, so why were some primed and other not? Or were they all primed?

[wild wind]

It's like luxury cars, basically

[solid otter]

Thats the neat part

Not all the grineer died, we have no confirmation if they did

[flat tree]

"Make a mushroom frame, trust me, we can even add drums,"

[wild wind]

Some people have a lambo. Others have a lambo with leather seats

[visual birch]

And any confirmation the treason was the academy?

[solid otter]

Some have a shit overengineered euro car

[weak stratus]

"Make her dummy thick... for the war effort, of course"

[wild wind]

Primes were like the deluxe model of an already top of the line weapon system

[solid otter]

And what do you think Margulis was taking the blame for

[flat tree]

Her?

[visual birch]

Got u vroski. The transcripts have saved me

[wild wind]

I stg the gif options are purging the fun Warframe ones every day

[weak stratus]

(Okay, that made me literally laugh out loud. My friend and I were just pointing that out the other day)

[visual birch]

If only I knew how to send it here

[solid otter]

I really should work on transcripting more of doom

Gotta help the lost souls or whatever

[visual birch]

TELL ME HOW TO SEND IT HERE THOMAS

DO NOT DENY ME MY WIN

[solid otter]

What? The quote?

[visual birch]

Yes

[solid otter]

... copy and paste.

[visual birch]

Ugh

[weak stratus]

Bro did NOT need to be packing that much, just saying

[solid otter]

Genuinely how else did you think i did it 😭

Hand typed the damn thing?

[flat tree]

Nutrients

[solid otter]

I like formatting it nicely

[visual birch]

Idk i thought u liked shared it with how that format thing worked? Cause ur things are indented

[solid otter]

Using >**

[visual birch]

Anyways got u beat

[visual birch]

Apex Stentor: "Attention. A rogue Tenno operative and Sentient cohort are suspected of sabotage. They are to be brought in alive or dead."
This is before the academy

[weak stratus]

Could you imagine though, seeing Gauss or Uriel and thinking, "Man I can't wait to become a cool looking frame!" only to get turned into a friggin shroom?

[visual birch]

BOO YAH

[solid otter]

No its just the formatting I use, it keeps the chat neat

[visual birch]

Ig bro

[weak stratus]

Bro, how's that prime even going to look?? Dripped out shroom with a chain?

[visual birch]

Anyways u should replay old peace

Get mogged

https://tenor.com/view/peppa-pig-meme-peppa-pig-sigma-face-george-pig-pig-gif-5140080418325330501

[solid otter]

Which. Again. Margulis took the blame for. She took the blame for the old peace. I've been saying this for quite a few messages.

Ive actually run out of replay motivation lol

[wild wind]

inshallah

[visual birch]

Omg bro u can't possibly be switching up

[weak stratus]

I'm guessing it's specifically the OLD Peace because Ballas broke it?

[solid otter]

I aint replaying shit if they aint coming up on my flower

[weak stratus]

?

[flat tree]

Replay the Hex

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-entrati-albrecht-entrati-entrati-walking-gif-17498260713109834464

[visual birch]

FAAAAAAAAAAAH

[solid otter]

Do i need to get every message ive mentioned where Margulis took the blame for the old peace

[visual birch]

Sonion stop switching up when I prove u wrong

[wild wind]

lol it's a way of praying that it happens

It's either that or Toad from Mario

[visual birch]

Like no duh she took the blame for what happened in old peace what else she gonna take the blame for

[solid otter]

#spoiler-chat message

[flat tree]

Albrech

[solid otter]

Ive. Said it before you sent that

[flat tree]

Average worm and thomas interaction

[solid otter]

Like. 10 minutes prior

[weak stratus]

Toad from Mario skin or we boycott DE

(This is a joke, please don't /ban me)

[wild wind]

https://klipy.com/gifs/let-him-cook-lethimcook--k01KRWZPTF1E2K0AB7AR9FXCBZC

[visual birch]

Someone clip this guy saying that margulis took the blame for operator acting the academy when she took the blame for the world seeder being activated

[solid otter]

Good lord

[visual birch]

Bro just cant say I was right smh

Biggest switch up of history