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you kinda do it's her whole identity
and literally what makes her a top tier frame
any good inf ammo wep ? like, other than nataruk of course since it's already pretty good
why specifically infinite ammo ones
Easier to manage
i shouldve probably mentionned just any weapon that doesnt struggle with ammo, cause my acceltra is horrible at that
tbh just any gun that's not aoe, DE decided to nerf aoe by just making the ammo management horrid
(aoe alt fires not included because ??)
i see lmao
my friend recommended me to get the burston prime
whenever I think "hey why don't I use acceltra more" I am quickly reminded why I don't use acceltra more
the only frame i use acceltra with is follie cause i can just pop ammo out of my magical item pouch
burston prime is great, especially with the incarnon and optional hexis augment
follie, cyte, protea, anyone with protea's subsume
you need steel path for incarnon yes ?
ye
you do?....
i'll probably need to start working towards that then
makes sense tho
incarnon adapters are from steel path circuit so
oh yeah...
Bubonico and uhhh Enkaus
enkaus is inf ammo ? didn't know
That apparently
enkaus...?
follie gun
it regenerates ammo when shooting enemies affected by the alt fire
WHEN WERE YOU GONNA TELL ME THERES A CODA BUBONICO
Uhhh
you didn't know?
they added new weapons for all 3 adversaries
looks up happy
š lasting covenant evade harrow never disappoints. we got aimlabs at home
which one is tenet?
What mission is the best for grinding flax on the zaramin?
"flax"?
hmm...
do we know when Mesa Heirloom comes out?
is it going to be alongside Jade Shadows: Constellations or?
i believe they mean thrax
void cascade
flaxseed 
we are technically planting them into the ground en masse
No, it'll be late July
cool, thanks for the info!
well no thrax tend to launch off into the ceiling when killed usually
Heirlooms are every six months so far, and Vauban Heirloom came out in Jan/Feb
and āļø to another entirely different province across the world when killed in duviri
āNear tennoconā
i wish we got a follie heirloom or a hildryn heirloom
it's gonna be so long till we get one for follie though...
i already want her prime variant
maybe, maybe not
heirlooms don't go from oldest to newest, it's just kinda whichever frame DE wants
oh?
quickly, we must subject DE to subliminal messaging and influence their minds to convince them to create a follie heirloom
ngl if i hadnt clicked on that emoji i would not have known what emotion it was displaying lol
just make enough follie simps vocal
give them all megaphones and 1 million followers on every platform
i know of 2 alrready
is one of them me?
...3
Nice :3
And sometimes DE just happens to find neat fan art they then buy from the artist
Ember heirloom was like that, and i think at least some of the others if not all the post ember ones
yea although that's not for heirlooms so far
oh, rly
thought it was all designed by that one person
Yeah i am sure for ember, but the others i cant quite remember
Vauban was fan designed too
When they reveal the concept they usually quickly mention if it was fan made
I hope they use that dagath heirloom design
It was amazing
Fan made ofc but
Yknow
They can buy it
Mesa i think was comissioned (as is their usual relationship with liger)
Heirlooms are mostly for old frames that have boring Prime versions
Mhm Mesa is a liger
the one that just had the whole chest out?
Yup
I saw this like 3 months ago
Art is cool, fellas.
The last batch of olds will probably be the new Mag+Frost heirlooms they've mentioned they're planning
After that it'll be Warframes whose Prime designs didn't land for whatever reason
Iirc they were maybe looking into finding a way to just release the actual heirlooms too
Though ofc thatās unlikely due to legal reasons
Not a lawyer but I think the legality is more negotiable than they're claiming, but they wisely don't want to cause a backlash from players who paid on the basis of the exclusivity period
I have no idea why they thought making those fomo was a good idea
Yāall did Excal Prime and saw what happened after that
And while yes heās a prime heās practically just a skin
Made the exact same mistake lol
Well, Excalibur Prime wasn't a mistake, he funded the game
That I completely understand
Iām glad they silently put to bed the heirloom system they had planned after where they were going to be in rotation
Limited time heirlooms is bonkers though
True yeah
Steve really got scared after the mag and frost stuff and made soulframe founders almost entirely non exclusive
It is a mistake to try and do that again though
Especially since they introduced protoframes
Sparrogon:

Lol
?
Paragon has a sparrow called sparragon with a tiny paragon
Is Albrecht Entrati a Tumblr Sexyman
lol that reminds me I need to buy the Paragon bundle
Also Iām assuming the paragon color palette will be exclusive :/
we know the sword isnāt though
No, he's conventionally attractive and well-dressed
Getting that sword will be a nightmare for socially awkward ppl
He's just older than 50
In the gameās current state I donāt really want to pay the 70 extra bucks
I bought oscelda before the prism update
onceler
Is Wally a Tumblr Sexyman
Nothing wrong with that. I'm mostly buying it now so I don't forget
Roathe is an artificially made tumblr sexyman
Dude was grown in a lab
Because I absolutely would
Roathe is conventionally attractive though (more so than Albrecht given he's not old looking)
Fair fair
Iām likely gonna wait as far as console founders lol
I know I aināt using my founder flower til they either fix the system or like
A few years after launch lol
I keep forgetting to make my bank account have online banking so I can actually buy it
Tumblr sexyman is like, Kahl or Veso or the Ostrons/Fortuna squad minus Little Duck
the founder garden idea is so dumb
It could have worked well but the fact itās in instances is ridiculous
I thought ppl would get to put the flowers somewhere in the world, but no
Iād even be fine with one garden that shifts and changes and adapts to whoās there
It's basically a Kickstarter thing
Out of the way area where you can have a tiny symbolic thing
It's not a bad idea but yeah something more dynamic would be cooler
Albrecht is handsome, just
Not pretty boy roathe
I donāt want to plant my flower cause itāll be in garden 572
Thus nobody will see it
Including me
Fairer too
Like if your friends are founders you should see statues of their current loadout and their personal flowers
Also love how they made that flower for those who got bugged so they can have day 1
But only those who got bugged
Which just made a new exclusive item
It was a panic fix that was just a bad idea
Along with a smattering of people you played with recently and people online
Well he's decent looking by old man standards yes
But he's also a morally ambiguous weirdo and strongly neurodivergent coded which seems to be another criteria
Basically like the xenoflora blessings in Old Peace
Yesss
Which I think is a rather elegant system
True...
Hes just the uncomfortable side of morally grey
I doubt theyāll change the garden tbh but yānever know
I have
Far less faith with the old guard
Like I don't think conventionally attractive villain really fall under Tumblr Sexyman
Some of the gameplay choices theyāve made are. Baffling
A lot of folk who want a morally grey character, don't want their character to actually do bad things
Which is more Roathe's thing
I mean the warframe equivalent was changed in the past so it's possible
Albrecht has a fashion sense, he's disqualified on that basis
Hopefully they will but idk lol
nyooo
Roathe is a villain and hot, he's out for that reason
Tumblr sexyman is usually the weirder side to it
Like sans for some reason
It feels like they both do and donāt know what theyāre doing with the game
Sans can get it tho
Again, Kahl and the open world syndicates
Bro wants to rattle his bones
LMFAO
I mean pretty sure that's what's implied in the pre alpha tag
They're at the "throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks" phase
Albrecht core
They have ideas, and most of them don't work
I want to say Kahl is too normal (he's just ugly and not too intelligent)
They're in the Albrecht phase
i personally dont like gyre.... the prime look- not the frame
True..
Yeah
Iām aware itās a pre-alpha
Some of their choices are still confusing lol
But like Kahl is otherwise classically heroic
YOU KNOW WHO WOULD BE ONE
And tbf that is how they got warframe
TYL. TYL REGOR
Yup
LOL
I think theyāll be doing a damage type rework since the new staff says itās voltaic but
Uh
It isnāt
we've never seen tyl without a mask
For a while tumblr sexymen were just skinny twinks and ive had enough
Pretty sure damage types dont do anything yet
Iirc other weapons have inconsistencies like this, I know some weapons got changed from one virtue to another but havenāt been changed back with the recent update, etc etc
I know itās a pre alpha but man
I have no idea, it do be funny though lol
I agree actually, very not a fan
They did Gyre dirty with her Prime
Where's christmas tree gyre prime
I know someone whoās a huge gyre fan
I feel so had for them
Vorunaās prime is good at least
Gyre got a good deluxe
Voruna got a terrible feluxe
Gyre got a terrible prime
Voruna got a good prime
I mean if we're talking skinny twinks
....Nef Anyo
Nef aint skinny, Salad V tho
YEAH
I'm both glad and disappointed that all my favorites have primes and deluxes already
Wait
No
Guys
Oh yeah do we know if the V is supposed to be a Vee or. 5?
Tyl Regor is the tumblr sexyman
I SAID THAT BEFORE
vee
Im so normal over Tyl
You werenāt around for tube girl
Someone gotta hold me back i want to bite him
fite him
Something something homestuck
Fym tubegirl š
Oooold content creator
Is that related to tubgirl
She loved tyl
Ok couldnt send the link lol
Look up warframe tube girl
First link is for something called toyhouse
I think thats her OC
bite me instead
I may be wrong itās been a while and she left afaik
i also wasnt in the know about tubegirl
sadge- kinda understand yall liking tyl
You can prob find her on YouTube
he just wanted healthy grineer- that could teleport
Tyl as an ally would have been cool
but tenno was like nonono cant have that
For a very good reason lol
expecially if he liked the pacifist greneer
Clonerot and us keep them in check
No clonerot and thatās gonna be harder for us on our already full plate that has only gotten fuller
MOM THE VOID IS TRYNA GROW WEIRD ARMS AND SH-
I would but im afraid I'd actually break skin
And my braces would murder me
be gentle
You know, this is really really messed up
Looking at it
WALLY GET OUT OF MY MINDHOLE IM TRYNA RIZZ THE WARFRAME PEOPLE
Warframe is a very morally grey game
While yes the minority of good grineer would have benefitted from the cure we canāt allow the majority to get their hands on it
Heās trying to stop you from doing the exact thing that can combat him!
reminder that warframe would fit comfortably in the grimdark classification
fit comfortably? its got blankets and a hot chocalate
its cozymaxxing
Cozymaxxing in the grindark genre
The blanket is made of human flesh and the chocolate is whispering eldritch secrets
Oooh man follie's design is soooo boring she should TOTALLY get an heirloom me thinks
DEFINITELY yeah for SURE
Itās totally such a nothing buuurger they should heirloom her now before Mesa 
yuuup word
do you hate fog that much?

Wait is fog waiting for mesa too?
fog is a mesa main
i think follie getting an heirloom would kill my bestie
it would kill ME
headpats
U////U
OOOOOOOH, I meant Thrax Plasm
š„¹
Void flood/cascade
Aaaah, alright. Thank you!
Flax plasm
Why did the triad suddenly appear after recalling Perrita
Were they waiting or something?
Itās more so an order of events not perita causing them to appear
Roathe had finished his portal by then ig
Loid asking for help was funny
Loid recovered quick enough. Decided to loom over roathe
"Called security now i can loom and glare all i want"
Loid feels secure enough to piss off an orokin again 
Yup
@solid otter do you have the bottom surgery neci viktor meme 
Or wait
It was top surgery
Top, but lemme find it
Yessss
who's the second NB than flare
The artist btw does. Awesome alloid bits actually they're definitely a favourite
Xaku, by technicality
...boo
???
I guess meme .jpg
Yeah but I don't have to be happy about it
Candy Crush rn why
Why do you not like the idea of Xaku being enby
Because its only a technically and I was hoping for something else I thought that was obvious with my jests
-# that was an ill timed gif
no it was hilarious thanks
Well
They are 3 frames mashed into one
If you're looking for trans rep we do have Ticker, and
Hunhow has a uterus
Shout hunhow hes so me
Hunhow having a uterus is somehow not surprising to me
-# maybe not a literal uterus but for this discussion, sure
so we got a singular they (flare) and a plural they (xaku)
hunhow being an adaptive machine and ticker having a rental body...
Nono, ticker is genuinely just trans
not rental more like Ticker is in their lovers body i forget their story
Nah, not her lovers body either
Where is it mm
but still a solaris -
aren't all their bodies technically "not theirs"?
what with all those debts?
hah corrected before you had the chance
Balls
True, you do have a point
i mean they lost their flesh to repos or needed to work effectively so its technically still their body
they just yk ship of theseused it
-# it got damaged and now he can't reproduce im pretty sure its a literal one
-# but hunhow is some kinda bone-bot or smth hes bascially sticks and angry stones
i still wonder how many of the corpus board knows about the solaris to begin with...
I would doubt a literal uterus in the human sense and just something that approximates one but I get the idea
Still waiting for true trans masc rep š hunhow ultimately doesn't count cus he. Isnt human
not many id assume, bc they dont care
Drusus got his body shelved actually
like even if they don't have a problem with the whole debt slavery thing,but i'd bet several would have issue with the efficiency of using people over proxies
isn't he a cephalon?
didnt he trade his body to save the leverian at some point
He is!
I think there is something to the idea of a frame that was trans in life and the frame they become reflects their chosen gender
His body is just
Yonked
Parvos has his body i think
Temple, kinda. Temple is how Flare presented themselves on stage and all
Flare is Temple. Was the first Temple
All the other protos do probably die tho
Temple and the Rippers š¤
Yeah, kinda, I mean something more overt.
Like a "girl" who grew up knowing they were a man and the frame they become is a masculine archetype of one sort or another is the energy I have in mind
Mm
I can get behind that yeah
Unfortunately I do not think the orokin would be so kind
i know parvos has the leverian for dante and some other stuff,but if i recall the details with cephelons correctly there probably wouldn't be a body leftover
It would have to be an Albrecht creation, I think
Ballas specifically. He does engineer the warframes to be a specific fit
As far as we know, Albrecht's only ever really done protos based on other warframes, I imagine its easier
Even then, unless its a new frame, it'll form in the set specification unless you manage to warp it. Somehow???
No reason he can't branch out. Perhaps he finds a strain that is mostly complete and he chooses to fnish it but the notes are incomplete and reference only that the person was a man.
I think from a design perspective, the problem is that there's no difference between a trans-masc Warframe and one that's cis-masc. Which is probably why they have yet to do any real trans stuff for a Warframe
Mmhm
I don't think it would need to be overt in the design tbh. Just in the lore.
In fact I think its better that way
I too want a trans masc but I'd prefer it to be an NPC over a warframe
We don't usually know any lore about the original Warframes. That's better left to NPCs or protoframes at a stretch.
i think cyte-09 might be just the reverse of this,i think. sort of
Cyte-09 existed without Albrecht it was just lost and he found it, to my understanding
Cyte's not an Albrecht design though
Albrecht hoarded shit
Just so happened to have Cyte-09
-# and i do mean Albrecht hoarded, his netracells are full of random shit
-# Sometimes super sentimental other times its.
-# A drip coffee machine
i was thinking more that quincy may have basically became a brand new frame that due to time/void shinnanigans,ended up being the source of the cyte-09 frame now
Making Albrecht a canon hoarder via Netracells is peak DE environmental storytelling
No but that is basically Flare
Nah, that's pretty much what happened with Flare tho
I still have hope that Flare ends up priming themself too
He has the vagabond's mask next to a fire extinguisher
So logically we can assume that Albrecht beat the shit out of the vagabond with a fire extinguisher
Albrecht also has his Daughter's book in there and it makes me violent
Or at least that he consistently needs to use the fire extinguisher on said mask
Wally set his own mask on fire to scare the shit out of Albrecht š
"MY BOOKS"
Im not kidding this is so sweet i hate everything
Flare admist the Orokin during the slaughter, strumming Lizzie as they melt orokin gold, casting themself in ill-gotten gains
Her token and her book, which is based on the stories. He'd tell Euleria when she was a kid
Yeah, thats the energy
Rebels so hard he struts on em
thats what i picture when i think of Temple Prime
I would also accept Lavos coming in and turning Flare prime
idk how they'd do it but im on board
actually now i'm curious about something for my own goofy writing sake
how likely would it be that the corpus manufacture their own iterations of something like the necramechs?
||i ask primarily because i'm weird in that since everything i do in warframe is in some way corpus related,i use this exact explanation for using items clearly not of corpus make||
Mm. There is a possibility
Necramechs are an entrati exclusive design yes, but they are still orokin. Old broken ones in the surface of deimos could've been salvaged
They are exceptionally good at resisting sentient orphix fields
Lavos doing some evil alchemical shi with orokin gold and Temple just slides on their knees and hitting a sick beat on their Lizzie, only to fall into whatever Lavos was cooking up and coat themselve + ingest the gold alloy
I can see why the corpus, Alad V specifically would be interested in a necramech
Also don't worry, I am the same when it comes to the entrati family lol
You are among friends
Hopefully
good good -
i even have it set that my necramechs visually look like they're made from corpus materials as well
plus the bruntspar skin/cryptonaut helmet to further cement a more corpus-like design
...e.. even if i keep tweaking a couple colors slightly because i'm indecisive
Don't worry, the vast majority of my wf fashions are vaguely the entrati theme of brown, golds, black and red/blues/whites on emissives
eh more like Corpses instead of corpus
im enjoying a black and copper look on my frames
i have my vauban prime a trenchcoat with his base skin
i also have to say i like the different "voices" the three necramech skins have
(karnolyth skin doesn't have a unique one sadly)
and honestly it's a fantastic mixture
usually i'm not a fan of base orokin aesthetics from like the towers and such. but entrati's works all hit different - and the tech is what i look to if i want a "corpus fabricated variant" since parvos is already looking at and taking some entrati stuffs
Copper does this weird mottling pattern when its exposed to water when it does its oxidising and. Ouh.. imagine it on Gyre's deluxe..
The entrati were always deemed strange because of it... you know in retrospect its probably.
The skulls in everything
But yes, Parvos, Alad V
And yeah the necramechs are cute
oh yeah
that's part of the reason i slapped the cryptonaut helm on my mech - hiding the skull away so it's "not there". even if it bugs me when using voidrig sometimes
I love how father made bonewidow based on Mother. Relationship goals
i'd kill for another necramech type tho,,
i think father should bang out another one -
or someone
Id love if Father just recreates the Titanfall lineup
He did make the necramechs in the labs too
The quadruped ones are actually apart of the Tombjockey series, the one that were obliterated by the ropalpalpalpalpalyst
i mean ones we can pilot..
Mm, unfortunately. The majority of the fanbase hate them
meanwhile they're one of my favorite things.. .
I hate leveling them
And formaing them to level them again
And again and again and again and again
that might be a contributor as to why i like them
i uh.. .
haven't bothered to really forma mine all that much - i haven't needed to
b u t seeing as i'm gonna try to finally drive towards MR30 that's probably gonna change
plus the tenet weapons (which i already don't mind) and collecting the ones i want
...and probably the ones i don't want in favor of more affinity
I mean. Im like the one guy in the descendia with a built voidrig so it paid off eventually ig
Im LR4 and trust me you dont need to max the mechs for it
I would go for archwings and weapons and companions if youve exhausted warframes
Companions especially are pretty stacked with sentinels having 9k mastery due to their default weapon
mods kill this guy -
anyway
thankfully (or unfortunately) i've gotten rather stagnant when it comes to frames; i've only gotten like... a few. so i should have plenty to burn through
when it comes to companions i think i got all the sentinels (barring primes) and hounds,but haven't done much in way of kavats,kubrows,or the deimos creatures...
and i think i'm running short on weapons but i'd need to take another look
i guess i was just sitting on max drifter intrinsics lmfao
i didn't even realize š
Lmao
i had like 1.5k intrinsic points or something
]and i decided to see if i could max out my endurance from rank 8 and riding from rank 1
(i could)
i hate farming maw fangs bruh
All Helminth Oxide resources are such a pain tbh
Xaku?
Xaku

Theyāre not nonbinary like how Temple is
Theyāre nonbinary because they quite literally do not fit into the binary, physically, mentally and emotionally
Like quite literally they can not fit into the binary
Also in their old (but still canon as nothing contradicts it) description theyāre described as āneither he nor sheā
Because theyāre a composite
Temple is they/them in terms of identity
Xaku is they/them because theyāre a group and not an individual
I love my bones :]
I need a new Xaku skin
Maybe
Murmur skin
Void angel skin
Iāll take anything ngl
Let qorvex get his deluxe too
He do be overdue
Move over Baruuk, you had your time
Let the Entrati brothers reign
did they ever fix xaku's deluxe helmet being. sideways? on the prime
Nope
And tbh I hope they never do
It arguably looks really cool and fits their theming lol
would be cool to have it as an option, ik there are some people very against it
Yessss
I do really like Dante's new deluxe
I would love that!
Itās pretty peak ngl
I like the helmet, even if others don't
My partner loves Dante so sheās happy :]
I get to make one eyed owl jokes and its awesome
The helmet is a weird owl face with an eye and itās awesome
Itās a perfect reimagining of him
A somehow even more birdy wizardy version
Yes
The one with the hands
Jade should get one, for Jade Shadows constellations
Thatād be nice but Dante is more deserving atm
I love how I know exactly what one that is
Shame Baruukās skin got delayed
Really wanna know the lore and name for that Baruuk skin
iirc they did mention a jade deluxe was in the works??
do not quote me i am very unsure
i think it was one of the recent devshorts but i cannot check atm
Mm
I kinda hope they do a void angel but
They have a lot of room with that
Oh!
What if Jade deluxe is a sentient what if!
-# limbo needs a new deluxe lowkey his is fine but it's. Cluttered
As it predates the actual what if sentient skins
Him and Trinity
And Banshee
And Loki
And Oberon
And
Limbo heirloom..
DE can honestly do sooo much
Kinda wild that Baruuk got another skin before Oberon got another skin
Mm
Especially with the Oberon rework
It sucks dawg š
Hopefully any of those can get something this year
I would love a new trinity skin
More reasons to play her
Other than she can be borderline immortal and ofc Lettie :]
I love this fan concept of a Void Angel Jade
Holy peakā¦
I would unironically play her more if we got that
My hand be damned
(Mashing alt fire hurts my hand)
my alt fire is middle mouse button
I have it as a side button but I made the secondary input middle mouse again after literal years so
Iāll try it out again
yes... yes you will
You missed the best time to do it
Yeah you unfortunately did ):
Oh, does anyone know if the completed shadowgraph is there for everyone now or is it only for those that participated in the event?
I know you only get the inbox message if you participated
Isnt that
That's a pose araki has used
I could NOT tell you which character and their stand he used but I know
YES
I didnt look through the chapter covers is my mistake
I immediately went to giorno too
Something i wish exists now
we could use some skins for jade, sucks that tennogen skins dont get as much freedom with the model as the deluxe skins do
jordas golem genuinely top 5 most boring bosses of all time
Close enough. Welcome back tube gill
Istg if itās porn Iām throwing all my electronics out the window
Too much Sin š
I donāt believe you
I shall research for thou
Tubegirl is an influencer who filmed herself dancing on public transportation and created the tubegirl trend where you, you guessed it, do the exact same thing she did
Add warframe to your search 
Their name is now Krenbot
Neat :D
Xata nuke
I meant biblical sin, i thought tubegirl was an nsfw artist
Thatās why I was reluctant to not search it up
Yes?...
That's what I also mean
Does bro knows of Ember Heirloom Prex card
Does bro know of the things the protos say
even marie?
Road Rash/Kickback sigil?
Mhm
Fire
You just reminded me to do it lol
Those sigils are genuinely goated
Shoutout to Kickback for being moss
Moss...
still prudish
Happy space mom day guys!
Also, why is ordis there? XD
I think its missing jade, grandmother, random cetus mom #23, and the tennos mom's waiting outside the classroom door.
I'd say yonta being there is weirder than ordis being there lol
skittergirl
That's her teenage fears and anxiety, dunno if that'd make yonta a mother
oh wait i misunderstood
also ordis honorary mom, down to the mood swings
Freeky ahh ballas being nude when he was first introduced (when the quest was fresh) is freeky
BALD
MY EYES!!!
Ahh the artist made another one recently (so sorry if I do not know his name)
Baldas
that only works if he has one XD
bro only has legs arms and a head
that's suda
SHOUTOUT KICKBACK
Thatās Suda lmao
YEAHHH
This guy has a stand
OWAAAA
What was the purpose of Albrect travelling back in time to have Roathe converted?
Converted? No he
Just wanted to see if an orokin can be redeemed
Albrecht never intended for roathe to be converted, he's smarter than that
You're telling me he did what he did to Roathe just to see if it was possible for him to be redeemed, and sought out Roathe as a test for that? Yeesh this dude's got issues
Yeah you reckon
Albrecht has issues who knew š
Getting your skin blasted off does that to you
Ah yes, lemme gaslight a fella into this scheme I have and see if its theoretically possible for ME to be "redeemed"
Oh, no roathe did actually do everything else though
He was offered it lol
Hes just pissed at Albrecht cuz he doesn't remember it
Y'know the more lore I get about Albrecht the more I gotta say, Tagfer's got a point
As in. Malicious
What is your opinion of Albrecht, firstly
Secondly, how much do you actually know about him?
I'm up to date on all the lore tbh. Was just a tad confused about Roathe cuz I forgot what the kim messsages said
Are you aware of his notes and the requiem logs?
yea
Have you read them?
Wh
according to grandma that is
What
once you reunite Loid with the fam, grandma says that
According to grandma
The manipulative grandma
The grandmother who is particularly bitter
I mean fair but I'd argue she means for the best, unlike albrect who uses others for his own inscrutable gain. She aint perfect but at least she has it right
That she decided that Albrecht didn't give up Kuva because...?
She literally tried to end Warframe early
What does he have to gain? What has that man gained from doing anything he has done?
Albrect uses others because heās trying to stop Wally
Bro thinks Albrechtās being selfish š
No bro heās trying to stop the giant wall dude from turning us into minerals
Do they they think he gained something from leaving his family š
Albrecht didn't want to do any of this, he did it at the very end of what he could have done at the time
It certainly wasn't his first choice
Heās still absolutely a bozo but heās not intentionally a bozo
Really just a result of the situation heās gotten himself into
He is just a tad autistic about it
Bro started yapping about Albrecht being something he isnāt
Got called wrong then disappeared
I never get that
Some folk don't like confrontation
If they donāt like criticism they shouldnāt post something publicly
Nah its good, just farming in WF
Your profile photo looks like a messed up wheatly lmao
Yay
Thought you was doing what many regulars do when getting a slight bit of pushback
Nah nah I'll freely admit I read it all wrong. Just trying to farm for as many of those jade feather decorations as I can. They're gorgeous
Fair
Dude went on an elevator ride and came back to us flaming him
Whoopsie
Shit š
Yeah our bad man 
Many such cases for Chakas š
Well ideally you should finish your conversation before disappearing
Itās plausible they were already in game when they started yapping
All good! ā¤ļø
all good! ā¤ļø
is the new years kiss on the 31st or the 1st of january cause i want to rip my hair out at trying to do a quests
Albrecht Entrati isn't trying to be an asshole. Albrecht Entrati is trying but failing at not being an asshole. That's kinda my read on the character
Which makes him much much better than, say Ballas, who is trying and succeeding at being an asshole
More like he is willing to make the sacrifices because he believes what he is facing necessitates it
And well he is kinda right
Wally is a humongous problem he needs to fix
Honestly I'm considering basing a villain (anti-villain?) in my tabletop game on him. I quite enjoy the archetype
The dust of petty lives
He doesnt enjoy it but is willing to make the sacrifice
Someone that screwed up tremendously through accident and hubris, then tries their best to undo the damage and make things right, but has none of the emotional tools to not also make everyone hate them in the process
It's not even like a "redemption at the last moment" Darth Vader type thing, more like
The slow and thankless journey to fixing problems you made in the first place? That I find fairly compelling
And leaving a trail of pain in their wake despite genuinely meaning well
Ends justify the means
It's not just that, it's the added nuance of guilt for being the one who started it in the first place and therefore feeling like you're the only one fit to fix it
That's the part that I personally find more compelling than the general "end justifies the means" type character
"it's my mistake to fix" feels a lot more powerful a motivation
The best [worst] part is, is that he knows he has no way to comfort those he has hurt. It's. Sad
WHO likes Ballas, genuinely
A lot
A lot of people are into him as a villain type
A lot of people
i cannot see that guy man
And also the usual folks that are into people who are āpatheticā in some way
i'd rather be infected with the techrot than have ballas anywhere near me
And then some people just find him handsome
He is handsome. So is Roathe
Id still violently kick their shit in
Roathe is racist š
im still like talking to those protoframes
i would make a joke but i dont want to get my ass kicked
Doing the old peace quest i should have just that damn palanquin be destroyed maybe theres a secret ending
The secret ending would be the Palanquin using us as a Yuvan to save his life
Roathe is actually good looking though
Ball Ass has neither balls nor ass
I'd also argue that because Roathe was the victim in his own toxic relationship (hence attracting the "he's only mean because he's traumatized" people) whereas Ballas just straight up decided to be an abuser and never stopped
Roathe at least has some appeal going on
I mean Roathe is still a bad person and just because youāre a victim doesnāt excuse your awful actions, it explains them but doesnāt really excuse them
Even when heās better heās still terrible
If the question is ācan the Orokin be forgivenā and we have to extrapolate that answer via Roathe then
My answer is no
I get it, heās a product of his society, of being a chew toy for Nitokh, of everything heās gone through
But what we go through serves to explain our actions and what we do next is what matter
And heās still awful
he's the prime example of an "i can fix him"
just like vegita
I like him on a leash 
The thing that kinda gets me is like...he has the same voice actor as Emet Selch and popular with people who liked Emet Selch because Rebb Ford likes Emet Selch, but in actuality he's not really that much like Emet Selch beyond some surface readings
I don't think he has any of the same appeal of Emet Selch and is best taken as his own character
The main thing Roathe is missing compare to Emet is that Emet was explicitly a good person once and the tragedy was him becoming evil in the process of his civilization's fall. And the protagonist used to he his friend before that civilization fell (and most people reincarnated and lost all memories and magical powers, which Emet seeks to reclaim)
But I see a lot of Roathe fans (mostly on Tumblr to be sure) kinda just translate Emet Selch traits to Roathe lol. It doesn't really apply
You know
I never really messed with getting my rank up for the syndicates
Then I saw this things questing
is it weird that I find Roathe to be the most reasonable character of the Devil's Triads?
Surprisingly
Reasonable in what way?
usage of the word conversion is funny bc it could also imply asking if albrecht converted and baptized roathe
congratulations on the Dualism membership card, Literal Embodiment of The Devil
They could've done that when Roathe was asleep methinks
Nearly drown him and act shocked that he's pissed
Yeah I feel as if Lyon is the most reasonable lmao
See, I don't know literally anything about Emet Selch, and Roathe is.
Insufferable
his most unreasonable thing is not talking to us
I think he's fine as a character but I feel like I've been duped into expecting Emet Selch lol
so my initial impression is eh
Even then for a person with schizophrenia and other mental issues, its genuinely so understandable that he doesnt want to talk to Mx-wally-follows-me-around-drifter š
Roathe is well written enough as a character in the sense that I really feel like I'm talking to an Orokin
AKA he's insufferable and generally just awful to talk to
Roathe is missed potential, that's what I think
he isn't well written in the "redemption" part
the whole triad is
minus Lyon
his one sin is being stuck with Marie
true true
I just wish they gave us something more substantial
Oh Albrecht was a prick again who knew
everyone but the glazers
Marie actually yeah
Marie: "Oh isn't he just the best and most wonderful person ever?"
Tagfer:
Tagfer is gonna tweak out š
would Tagfer merc Marie?
He. Kinda already is i think
yes
100%
Tagfer darling keep off the weird dust
I get why he crashed out on her 100%
pure anger and hatred
doesn't excuse the bad parts ofc but like
he is in the right
Xata
I wish Roathe could tell Mother about what Marie did and said tbh
Him shitting on her for. Needing others to support her in her life was shit
I think that could make a problem that would solve a different problem
But marie doing what she did was shit
It makes sense why he crashed out like that
for one, he is literally sheltered and does not know better (explanation, not excuse)
and ofc the main thing, she's an Albrecht glazer
I'd be and have been that mad before if I was in a similar situation
Even r5 Mother would crash out methinks
Marie is like
actually delusional during that part it's insane
She'd find a way down those stairs and through that portal
I. Do not want to witness a mother crash out
I think it would be genuinely very very scary
for Marie
and anyone who gets in the way
which
Operator may
Drifter might
Lyon would
Roathe watches
Idk what Loid would do
I think he'd be more likely to take Mother's side, but still vote against
probably murder
Loid would try to at least calm her down
yeah
He understands the crashout [hed be insulted too i think] but he ideally doesn't want to explain to us or Albrecht why Marie was murdered š
Also cleaning up after a murder is messy and I think Loid has enough work to do
His poor back :(
Tagfer would win no diff
"Albrecht did nothing wrong"
I still, to this day, remember that person who thought Albrecht was classist like Roathe is. Because
His granddaughter is????
I genuinely hate when people explain away Roathe's bad actions by saying "he's from the orokin empire he doesnt know better!!" As if. The family doesn't know better as a whole
And it shows with them
I'm pretty sure I rambled about devil's triad/descendia should've been a durviri thing before
but like every part of that is implemented badly? roathe's trauma logs should straight up just play as a short cutcene of him monologuing it after each descendia run
Tbh shadowgrapher is hardly even an echoes update imo
Not saying it is, I mean it as in. It should've been one
whaddya mean echoes update
It's not necessarily the worst update ever. It just kinda isn't an echoes update for the old peace outside adding like 3 perita tiles and the guilty
Shadowgrapher is an echoes update?
The first of the year update that expands on the end of year update, iirc last year's was techrot encore
I thought it was a standalone
since like the main shunt of it has little to do with the old peace
Where did yall get that from christ š im saying it SHOULD'VE been one
Im reading anticaesars texts not yours lmao
I remember the devstreams referring to it as one
I don't remember hearing this tbh

I saw clip of roathes romance dialog, why can't I hear those things from a real person :/
like why you can't hear the trauma log monologues from Roathe speaking it to you in person? or
because yeah that is just bad. I want roathe fully animated saying these things
No like him being disappointed I didn't sit in his lap
Damn this reminded me of The Yearningā¢
Thank God I don't ever want to date Roach

Filth.
Not a big fan of Roathe tbh 
Donāt make sense for drifter to romance him
our literal oppressor
we can romance him??
??????
Also none of the triad really interest me
Lyon is the best for me
Other than lyon platonically because he just seems like he'd be a cool guy to be friends with
Roathe at best would be that one teacher that's an ass but also irreplaceably knowledgeable
KALYMOS????
KALYMOS???????
Nonzero chance kalymos was inspired by this character
"lying cat"
the concept of this is. very funny to me
I can see the family owning Kubrows methinks
what the hell are the duviri kubrows called
Euleria had them commissioned, at least
Yeah!
You'd think she'd have at least one
Reckon she did the same with the Kavat one?
Krubies and kexats
Nodders
It would be really funny if kalymos COULD speak but was just the lying cat and nobody actually told a lie around her yet
Shocking considering she was around Albrecht
Mm.
Albrecht got kidnapped and he sent Kalymos to come get us
Vadim Sverdlov, I have a question
So strange I can't find anyone online pointing out how similar Loid is to Revolver Ocelot, it's almost too much to be a coincidence.
Grafting
They shoved Pazuulās head onto his body offscreen :3
erra isnt dead fyi, but his personality is supressed and hes under control of pazuul
in archon hunt spy missions there is a chance for erras personality to temporarily take over and he apologizes to the tenno
Sadge
i always wondered what was happening with the pazuul dialogue in archon hunt missions '
unrelated but when was the last time y'all did a sortie
Mm, did one last week
i haven't done one in months i think
i used to do them religiously in like december-january š
They don't really. Have much point
3 day mod drop chance booster is good tbf
but i cba to do it daily lmao
ah mining, my favorite warframe activity
I like mining..
Mining warframe when
wanted to make a rock and stone joke but the Atlas in the room demands me to address him
i am happy for you
i have been trying to get hesperon and i've gotten nothing but venerol and travidite
alright man
i'm free from hesperon jail
im drowning in the game content while some die of thirst
Time to farm the insign stuffs that'd be a great flex and fashuion
I drown in responsibilities and missed opportunities if I don't grind faster
I see more people with the title than the medal
But it's a super flex so I'm totally making it my gaming goal this month
For some reason i just don't feel like doing the event š„² even though the rewards are really good rn
i changed my mind i was just hate larping
ascension lowk fun
i think i was just projecting my annoyance with follies hunt onto this because i remember trying to grind out that event and burning out
yeah i finally have time to go back to warframe grind now becuz i graduated
So I've been doing a little brainstorming for a Necramech.
Necramissile (1):
Fire a high Blast damage non-tracking missile with extreme explosion knockback. This knockback can push the user, but does not trigger any form of self stagger.
Reactive Converter (2):
Upon Activation, gain 20s of Shield Recharge Rate and Minus Shield Recharge Delay (Scales w/ Strength) along with Magnetic Status Resistance
Shield Damage taken boosts Necramech Status Chance (Weapons and Abilities)
Activating Shield Gate triggers an explosion around the Necramech that applies Cold and Impact status.
Energy Spire (3):
Plant a spike in an area with a large radius around it (70m, scales w/ Range)
Kills in this area give Energy to the killer
Planting a spike onto an enemy will drain the target's Health and diffuse it into all allied units in the area
Exalted Archgun (4):
Missile Volley Gun with large blast radius and high status chance, alt fire fires Necramissile (Similar to Ivara's Artemis Bow alt-fire immediately firing Quiver)
Primary Fire leaves lingering status fields which apply the weapon's elements without IPS.
there isn't any sort of trick to getting these anomaly shards is there i really just have to do the glowing veil proxima railjack missions š„
Why brainstorm for a necramech when you could brainstorm for a new hoverboard!!
Looks cool tho
I noticed that, gameplay wise, Voidrig and Bonewidow essentially play into other game genres, what with Arquebex for turret sections in games, and Bonewidow with fighting game style animation canceling. So I thought to try something like Quake-esque rocket jumping.
That and making this Necraās survivability option shield gating.
Energy generation is immensely appreciated too
Makes it usable as more of a support Necra while you keep using your Warframe, if you so choose to make it your Energy solution
Im doing the jade shadows quest rn, did shadow just have a baby? Or am I geeked?
Yes, Stalker is a Dad and Jade is the mom.
So, Jade and Sorren (Stalker) were a couple during the prime Orokin era. They were caught having an elicit affair with each other by an Executor. Jade was pregnant with their child when Executor Ballas turned them both into warframes.
Yeah
Stalker didnāt know, so he thought he still had a chance at getting to see or be with his wife and child, which is a big part of his hate for the Tenno - since he didnāt realise Jade was his wife, he thought they took that chance when they rebelled
He still tries to give us acupuncture with Dread, Despair, and Hate in his free time when heās not being a dad. But mostly thatās been handed off to the Acolytes.
Wouldn't call it an affair, that would imply there was cheating, it was just a regular relationship between the two, it was just against the Legems 
Not an affair really and itās not like they personally offended an executor or anything
They broke a legem, essentially a law and that was the punishment
He does that btw because he still hates us for slaughtering the Orokin
Itās probable that by the end of the Jade Shadows arc that heāll no longer be an adversary to us
Though if that happens I would assume his drops would be relegated somewhere, somehow
As unfair as it is, it was a law. Though, Grandmother does have a line about not caring if there was crossed lines when it comes to the rules, albeit it was in reference to Albrecht and Loid, over Jade and Sorren, but I assume her feelings are the same on the matter
It helps that Albrecht was an Orokin and they def saw themselves above the law
They are affected but they don't really. Get punishment. Probably just ridiculed lmao
To be clear that may be why she was fine with it
Iām unsure if Albrecht saw himself above the law, more so he probably thought they were irrelevant after Wally lol
"Haha you screwed the gross servant" type shit ykim
Grandmother is also more. Chill and less. Awful so I can def see her being chill above Sorren and Jade too
To be clear
Yupp
I think Grandmother would be chill with a lot of people, though im unsure of her stance for the triad, and. Weirdly I'm unsure about how she feels about Albrecht
Doesnāt she have that new line about him?
She certainly has some thoughts on him
She has thoughts but not ones taking any sides i don't think, not like Son or Daughter
She has. 2 lines, and they're. Kinda just "oh yeah Albrecht does that", not. Her actual feelings on it
-# albeit i do not agree with her take that Albrecht only sees others as "secondary players", as if she isnt guilty of the same thing š
Riiight lmao
If we ever drag him home I hope he has a convo with her
Maybe he brings up who Fatherās father is
If Daughter doesn't get him first
Itād be
So cool to know Fatherās familyās name
Girly is PISSED. Son, not so much
Mm, don't we already know that?
Lets get all the people who hate that man into a room together and put him in the middle
Do we :?
Yeah, Petros Vorten
I assume Grandmother was Dagath Vorten before she gave her name up
Which might have ties to the Vortengeist Labs from the Gyre Deluxe
Where we get that
Probably
Random KIM chat, pretty sure its in the same KIM as the Gerivaine drop
With. Roathe
Yeah lmao, what a horrid thing to have to do to get it
The one thing heās actually good for: Orokin lore
Mmhm
Son is more pissed about the cavia than Albrecht leaving, but. That makes sense for him
Daughter is. Rabid.
Do you know if you have the wally god convo no matter what
The one with the unused boolean
But the "adults" are far more. Neutral? Mother is more happy that Loid is back, over anything about her father
Uhh, I think so? I'm. Not sure if you can skip it, I don't think its a good idea to skip any chat š
Iām more so asking because thatās the only thing I actually want from them and I wanna know if I get it no matter what
Cause I donāt have the energy nor passion to get Loid up those stairs
She did strike me as the feral type... Would have been a baddie without getting infested I bet
Said lines btw, Father is. Vaguely apologetic??? š
Ah. Well. From memory its a very late chat, perhaps when you reach that rank you could turn on play all chats?, if that works
I may do that
I think if I go into those chats with the mentality of not worrying about Loid at all it might not be such a slog
Can I
Only talk to Roathe?
I can talk to Marie til I get Lyon but as soon as I do that I donāt want to talk to her after what happened
Mm, pretty sure Roathe's chats do kinda rely on the others but im unsure fully
Im not really the one to ask, @hearty pendant is. Probably the better one
Grey please help
I donāt want to talk to Marie or Roathe more than I have to 
I think I messed up my Devil's Triad. I am Best Friends with everyone, but the Loid Reunion cutscene won't play. Is it because I accidentally asked Lyon for help before securing both Marie and Roathe's help?
Mm, check the other's profiles
there's no more conversations coming for any of them.
Oh shit i. Think you failed on Lyon? And maybe roathe but idk
Yeah, it's looking like it. So I basically have to withhold talking to Lyon if he starts talking about being absent-minded until I have at least one of the others committed, because otherwise he drops out and can't be recovered.... Lovely.
With no warning, either.
So basically, I should have everything but because I did things out of order I got screwed.
If I reset, do I have to do 21 descendias again, and/or wait for Roathe to resend al lhis VMs?
Roathe was talking about getting Loid ready, but nothing came of it.
ah yeah. Here. And no warning it permanently kills his participation.
I thought I would get another chance to ask again once the other two were ready especially since I was getting nothing from Marie due to what I assume was a bug and Roathe needed more Descendia runs.
=_=
you dont have to do all 21 again, you just need to make sure you get all 21 VMs
so if youve already gotten them resetting wont wipe them
Ah, good. Though do they only come in 1/day?
but you ideally should be careful because the VMs may take a moment to load in after reset
no, theyre tied to your chemistry rank and last convo with roathe
so if youve got a big amount of chem and convos done, and then start clobbering roathe
you will get many quickly
I already have all voicemails unlocked, the problem is thanks to the KIM giving me the ask convos in the wrong order, I got locked out of Lyon's help for the Reunion.
I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and reset them, as much as it sucks.
the one time i don't have discord open somewhere lmfao
Kahl stills alive yay
assuming you haven't already gotten your answer elsewhere:
iirc, the 'wally god/ce' convos don't have any requirements other than rank?
-# and not being in a failstate
don't know if they're guaranteed though, best idea i have is just to reroll the convo once you're at the right rank (looks like r5c5 for the last one, unfortunately) by reentering base of operations?
though i'm not sure if that actually works still? pretty sure you could do it w/ the hex at first. should reroll on daily reset if not
I was rerolling convos by accident last week
why am i getting flashbanged after i killed the protector stalker
something wrong with your graphics
I swear it's not
There was bursa spawning also
then it was the bursa
i wonder if the naramon upgrade for decaying combo count will eventually just become a part of the regular game with how DE is treating qol updates
this does work with mesas regulators right
Well I can confirm it works fine, if you add arcane hot shot too
With hound companion.

Am I supposed to max rank Necraloid standing to get Loid upstairs, or is it just the entrati standing?
Entrati standing + all 3 Triad agreeing
cool, ty!
And secondary outburst
Yep
Or use that one with getting over shields to stay longer alive.
why do that when you can just slot it on your archgun instead
I assume youāre talking about fortifier
so...
with the newest protos of ryoku and vena coming to play,and from the future no less,what insights y'all think we gonna get?
because expectedly i'm already fascinated how the corpus will be involved,even if they have a small part
Parvos succeeded in stealing more from the labs
Aka
Polytemporal nexus notes/tech and protoframe serums
Both of these were then stolen by the new protos
wait has this actually been confirmed -
because if so that's tuyking awesome
Not yet, but thats our best guess without Albrecht being mr mcguffin again
Which they really need to stop doing š
What if it's Drifter who made the new Protoframes, after being inspired by Old Al?
honestly i'd be alright with it either way
albrecht's probably been all over so it'd make sense for us to continue following the paper trail
though i do wonder how exactly we'll be introduced to these two...
Well, considering Constellations is (allegedly) played from Stalker's perspective, he'll probably introduce us
Not confirmed no lol
But I can see it
And then resume trying to kill us as usual
Thatās not why I came up with it lol
We donāt have a method to do that nor would we do that to someone
Iirc itās confirmed we will be playing as him
Future us, maybe
If they volunteered like Velimir and Minerva
I remember that too
I just didn't fully trust that memory
I really doubt weād do that and again we lack the method
Also for literally what purpose lol
Cruddy future, maybe
Also, nothing stopping us from learning how to
Was just spitballing strange possibilities
Idk but I do have a feeling they might be representative of dualist principles
I have a whole spiel about it
honestly i wouldn't want to run into a future version of ourselves...
also how so? dualism is the thing of mind/body,isn't it?
We wouldnāt encounter our future self and if we did itād be fine
Like
In terms of the universe
Dualism is a lot more than that
oh right - almost forgot the whole sun/moon thing too
Thatās a big part of dualism
Like
The religion lol
Old earth religion with remnants, we mostly see it with the Dax and our āmorality compassā
Iirc we have some other examples here and there
Do those verses sound like itd be relevant any new characters we have seen so far 
It does sound like Ryoku and Vena lol
Yeah Dualism is the prominent religion in the warframe universe before the Vain Faith took over during the Orokin Empire
Vain Faith is kinda self explanatory by the name
But yeah i have a whole spiel about Ryoku and Sirius, and Vena and Orion with dualism and nominative determinism
Iām slow but are Sirius and Orion warframes or just playable characters?

