spoiler-chat

[tame canopy]

pick what you want to go for lol

no objective "good" here so it basically depends on which vibe you like better rn

[analog drift]

i mean both sound good so it's hard to pick

[deft mist]

Ownership or a badge of respect

[analog drift]

respect i guess

[thick jolt]

Btw how about using sorren's badge instead of the sigil?

[deft mist]

Thats a thing?

[tame canopy]

probably talking about roathe's cosmetics from his event back then? I forgot

[solid otter]

Mhm

You can buy it off roathe iirc

[thick jolt]

Oh nevermind gotta wait for the next operation

[solid otter]

During maybe the operation..

[deft mist]

Ah bullocks

[solid otter]

Belly of the beast is coming back

[thick jolt]

But yeah sorren's actual badge

[solid otter]

You have time lol

[tame canopy]

We do have a belly of the beast rerun upcoming so this is the perfect time for it to return lol

[solid otter]

I should sell my arcane energise...

[analog drift]

where can i get that

[deft mist]

I meed to sell some prime juck for plat

[tame canopy]

prepare yourself, tenno, more victims of entrati's dumping scheme are coming soon

[solid otter]

[thick jolt]

Event stores, so may 4th as of right now

[analog drift]

ah

[thick jolt]

Since belly of the beast is rerunning

[solid otter]

ITS ON THE 4TH????

[deft mist]

May the 4th be with you

[solid otter]

I NEED TO SELL MY ARCANE ENERGIZE

[deft mist]

Sorry had to do it

[solid otter]

Im not here for the next two days, so literally no better time than today

Alternatively, i just get a copy and wait till the market is good and sell it then

[thick jolt]

https://www.warframe.com/en/news/operation-belly-of-the-beast-coming-soon

[solid otter]

Christ. Bad time to see the hormone doctor i guess

[analog drift]

okay so there's a slight problem with putting the sigil on the cloth...

[thick jolt]

Yuuup

[analog drift]

ima put it on the chest

[thick jolt]

Sigils behave weirdly with layers

[solid otter]

I think the stalker sigil was my first stalker drop

[deft mist]

Same

Second was well hate

[thick jolt]

I remember when sigils were new and we kept getting endless boss sigils

[deft mist]

That sucks ill experiment tomorrow

[zenith jacinth]

move it?

[analog drift]

i was already gonna move it to the chest

[zenith jacinth]

yk when I use sigils

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-king-julien-move-it-move-i-like-to-move-it-gif-4835667

[deft mist]

🤣

[analog drift]

._.

[zenith jacinth]

the slow mode makes my jokes better

but yeah I generally always put sigils over the "heart" before DE started giving us free medal chest armors

...now I barely use sigils

most recent use was putting the community sigil on trinity bc it has a literal heart, but she's in the wall now

[deft mist]

This was my first fashion

[zenith jacinth]

I don't have my first fashion anymore

[deft mist]

I started like a year ago so yeah

[solid otter]

Mine is forever in the wall

[deft mist]

My first ever was black excal

[solid otter]

I love you, Red, white and yellow excal

[deft mist]

Just that

[zenith jacinth]

I started ..5 years ago

guh

[deft mist]

Jeez

[zenith jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[deft mist]

I know a guy whos been in since about i think 2015 i think he said

First prime sevagoth and i have necramech now as well traded for that one

Heciphron is hard to get

[zenith jacinth]

perseverence is key

[deft mist]

Honestly that will look great in duiviri with whatever weapon u use

[analog drift]

thank you. Also i didnt get a screenshot of it yet but i tilted the sigil i tiiiiny bit

[deft mist]

Nice

[analog drift]

is there a way to customize the drawings follie has?

[zenith jacinth]

shadowgraphs tab in arsenal

[analog drift]

oooh

[zenith jacinth]

yes

[analog drift]

wow.

i dont suppose there's any kind of grid or snapping tool?

or a control scheme...?

[zenith jacinth]

no

controls are all mouse tho

[analog drift]

YAAAAAY!

[analog drift]

oh wow that sucks lol

[deft mist]

🤣 i havent played with follie

[analog drift]

i'm going to use this power for evil

[zenith jacinth]

I used the power for memes

[analog drift]

dunno what ima replace...

maybe lohk surge

Huh? What's this about?

[cerulean kiln]

Exactly what it says

[analog drift]

i dont get it

[cerulean kiln]

Art can break the rules

[analog drift]

Explain

[cerulean kiln]

There’s art that can be NSFW

[mint sage]

genitalia and certain political symbols etc

[analog drift]

oooh....

what else?

[zenith jacinth]

well political symbols might get shot down if they're too bad and get noticed

[zenith jacinth]

whatever you want

[analog drift]

no i mean what's NOT allowed aside from politics and genitalia

[plush steppe]

Germany January 30, 1933

[analog drift]

The windmill of friendship?

[zenith jacinth]

a bunch of different stuff

it'd take too long to list everything

and also no one memorizes the entire list

[cerulean kiln]

Could always read the guidelines if you want the closest thing to a comprehensive list

[mint sage]

it led to my country being occupied for 4 years

[analog drift]

ah. I see

what's the punishment for making this stuff?

perma account ban or...?

[solid otter]

Mm, probably

https://support.warframe.com/hc/en-us/articles/44241767300749-Digital-Extremes-Code-of-Conduct-Guidelines

Woe upon ye

[analog drift]

mmmmmm i'm just gonna... Leave the shadowgraphs alone...

[mint sage]

I have no idea, but rest assured you won't like it

[azure solar]

"you like massive loot piles dont ya?" and a chibi khora

[solid otter]

Is it that hard to not make hate symbols

[analog drift]

hate symbols no

and i aint telling you what i'd make either

[solid otter]

Zero Tolerance for Hate Speech

For our definition of hate speech, refer to the Code of Conduct found above.

If you are found posting slurs, hate-speak, or any form of hate speech, (including self-censored, masked, hate symbols, or rearranged versions of these terms) your account will be banned from further posting in Digital Extremes Communities and your access to the game will be revoked.

[analog drift]

but i just am afraid of false flags...

[solid otter]

If you didnt wanna check the code of conduct

[analog drift]

no i checked it

[azure solar]

dishonor on you- dishonor on your family- DISHONOR ON YOUR COW! /ref

[analog drift]

i see i see.

[analog drift]

what makes you think it'd be hate speech?

it's not the only thing on that list

[solid otter]

"Hate symbols" and previous experience with you

[azure solar]

just add to... certain websites

[flat tree]

wtf

[analog drift]

Oh got it so you're holding grudges i see

[solid otter]

Dude you said fascist isnt always bad

[azure solar]

telling them to go to the proper places

[solid otter]

Do you want me to forget that

[analog drift]

no, i want you to remember it

<3

[solid otter]

What is that even supposed to mean

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[analog drift]

lets not start another argument, okay?

[solid otter]

Then why even say that

[analog drift]

say what

lets not start an argument?

anyway i'm probably gonna just make some minor tweaks to some pre-existing shadowgraphs... Maybe touch up the rpg

and the hand thing

[mental rapids]

Roathe voice messages bugged for anyone else?

[thick jolt]

You really gotta be more specific

[solid otter]

Mhm

[thick jolt]

Triad stuff is very buggy

[solid otter]

Theres a few bugs with it

[analog drift]

a lot of the voices in this game are pretty bugged tbh. Cephalon Symaris (i think was his name) cuts out every sentence

[mental rapids]

I've killed the guy well over 21 times and yet I'm stuck at 8 voice messages received

[solid otter]

Oh shit

[analog drift]

Oh.

[solid otter]

Did. You do it all at once?

VMs are coded to usually drop 2 a day

[mental rapids]

I did it 8 times (over weeks), then realised I messed up the entire ending I was going for, reset, and killed him approximately 15 more times in one go

[solid otter]

How many days has it been?

Since you did the 15 at once

[mental rapids]

3 or so

Haven't gotten a single one since

[solid otter]

Oh yikes

[thick jolt]

They really shouldnt have put so many flags in those kims

[mental rapids]

Just make your entire screen go red with a warning

"Don't be dumb!"

[solid otter]

Thankfully the new protos are kimless

[thick jolt]

Honestly a normal kim like the originals would have been fine

[solid otter]

Tbf Marie is kinda like this, same with Lyon, its just Roathe who's particularly bad

[thick jolt]

Just simple dialogue with fun interactions instead of the game checking the state of 15 different flags for each choice

[mental rapids]

Do I have some way to fix this problem or should I just reach out to DE?

[solid otter]

In an attempt to write a complex character, they obliterated the other complex character and failed at one they tried to write

[thick jolt]

Like looking at triad flowcharts is so weird

[solid otter]

DE support can do a full reset, but I'm unsure if it'll affect descendia

[solid otter]

There's one particularly offensive one, the wally is a god/not a god/maybe a god one with Roathe, that was never ever used again

[thick jolt]

Just flag check after flag check lol

[mental rapids]

Wow

[thick jolt]

Triad flowcharts are just evil

[solid otter]

Its so bad

Blame the writer

[mental rapids]

I do appreciate to effort they put into this thing, but it is so ugly

[thick jolt]

Lol

[solid otter]

Less is more sometimes.

[solid otter]

How the hell is anyone supposed to read these

[thick jolt]

But yeah that is basically why triad is so easy to bug out

[cerulean kiln]

Why does that hurt my inner Loretism?

[solid otter]

Me any time i am forced to look at those ugly ass flowchart

Tbf this is me 99% of the time in this chat

[cerulean kiln]

I prefer the actual chat rather than flowchart

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[analog drift]

does anyone else think follie looks great on her own? I have a hard time customizing her cuz i think she just looks too good

[night grail]

Thats what I use

[thick jolt]

Hmmm reminder i need to pay attention to nightwave to get follie's alt helmet
Her default helmet is too ugly

[analog drift]

i need that

[night grail]

I wish more armor covered the thighs tbh

[analog drift]

you mean the helmet on the nightwave right now?

[analog drift]

YES

[thick jolt]

Ohhh nice thank you

Have been distracted with other stuff

Now i just need to rekember to log in when i get home lol

[analog drift]

yeye

[analog drift]

log in (lock in)

[night grail]

The fit is indeed hard

[analog drift]

im not sure if i like the red with the green

but that is just my opinion

[night grail]

There is no red in that picture

[analog drift]

your hair and face sigils?

[zenith jacinth]

the face paint and clothing are very seperated

[night grail]

I forgor

[zenith jacinth]

doesn't clash ngl

[night grail]

Its more proof of thematic concept than the colors I use

John duviri

Left arm is supposed to evoke a kaithe skull

[analog drift]

ah

[zenith jacinth]

just hit randomize a couple times, you're gonna change your mind

[analog drift]

uuuuuh....

[solid otter]

Are you kidding? This is the way I learn you can customise the backrooms😭

[zenith jacinth]

slow

[analog drift]

I mean i still prefer her default. Not sure if i like those

I mean the pink and yellow is nice but idk if that's for me

[solid otter]

Your socks are bad looking

[zenith jacinth]

I'm not even wearing socks

[analog drift]

https://tenor.com/view/emojedie-gif-22495013

[night grail]

Its like the first thing I did

[zenith jacinth]

no I'm telling you to hit random colors a couple times

[analog drift]

I'm pretty dang picky ya know. If i did, it'd take me hours to find somethin i liked

[night grail]

also subtle flex of image editing

[zenith jacinth]

so am I

[analog drift]

nono i dont think you understand

[analog drift]

it's a VERY dope edit

i wish i had somethin like that as my desktop background

[night grail]

I had an idea for arthur but its kinda just this already

AND I can't pause animations and model swap I'd have to line it up perfectly

[analog drift]

i had an idea for volt but i think that's beyond your expertise

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[zenith jacinth]

of course

[night grail]

Tell

[analog drift]

you know how fast motion creates after images?

[solid otter]

I think my operator is cute

[night grail]

This has artifacts but its still okay

[night grail]

Mine is dubious

Ignore him having a gun

[analog drift]

WHHOAOAAAA IS THAT A GUN!?!?!

[solid otter]

Nawh he looks cool

[analog drift]

big fan of red and black personally

[zenith jacinth]

the bright blue always feels a bit off imo

but red+black is like, standard combo

[solid otter]

I like the blue

[night grail]

Ive been thinking about making it a darker blue

[analog drift]

oh i thought that was the lighting so i ignored it. Yeah you got a point now that you mention it

[analog drift]

red and blue might look better with white i feel, rather than black

i mean maybe black could work...?

[night grail]

Im doing my own thing though

[analog drift]

ah ok np

[analog drift]

i've been clicking through and i found some that look good but i just think follie looks perfect by default. Nothin's really clicking. I suppose i once saw some gold bits and i liked that part

[zenith jacinth]

it's not like you have to only use one fashion ever

[analog drift]

also in the midst of clicking random, i ended up getting a trans color pallete lol. I didnt even think i had those colors

[analog drift]

Yeah but if i find one look to be the best then im probably gonna always wear that, right?

[zenith jacinth]

if you have the pride palette(free) you have the trans palette

[zenith jacinth]

variety is fun

[analog drift]

i dont have that actually

[analog drift]

wasnt here for pride month, i only got here like a couple weeks ago

[zenith jacinth]

and already have folly?

[analog drift]

I admit that yes, but when it comes to looks i usually have one preference that never changes

[zenith jacinth]

follie

[analog drift]

yeah

i kinda sped through the game really quickly

this red looks nice but still not to my tastes i feel

also i just realized. Her ink still has a purple tint or shine

hmm...

G R E E N

sour apple follie

this is the only change i can bring myself to make. (also sry for spamming the chat with follie lol)

[stoic nymph]

Yellow

[analog drift]

ye i like gold

[deft mist]

Damn

[analog drift]

its okay i still enjoyed it

[night grail]

Subtle but different

[deft mist]

Yeah well railjack portion in new war.was difficult for me

[analog drift]

ah

[deft mist]

I dont mind the railjack its just its an afterthought for me

[analog drift]

barely anything changed but i made some small changes. Thoughts?

yay

[deft mist]

Gold accents

[azure solar]

"tenno what have i told you about" wearing his dead wifes skin "nope- not dealing with this"

[azure solar]

i like the left one

[azure solar]

thats drifter(has a gun)

[tame canopy]

Please note: All Arcanes purchased from the “Commit Volatile Motes” and “Clan Contributions” stores will be limited to 42 (two fully upgraded Arcanes) per Arcane type, per player. It’s also worth noting that Ordis will return to the Drifter Camp once Operation: Belly of the Beast concludes on June 1 at 2 p.m. ET.
Oh my goodness, max arcanes offered goes up to two fully upgraded arcanes in the belly of the beast op lmao

[solid otter]

WOah

Its gonna get real evil

[tame canopy]

https://www.warframe.com/en/news/operation-belly-of-the-beast-coming-soon
link for anyone who hasn't read it for whatever reasons

[hearty pendant]

yea this is how they keep crashing the arcane economy

[tame canopy]

This is straight up even more generous than roathe's shop lmao

entrati's dumping schemes continue unabated

[solid otter]

And somehow yeah it is all traced back to Albrecht's shenanigans

[tame canopy]

mandatory meme posting

Idk how long it'll take to clear shop but boy if you do it, you'll be having lots of plat making potential in trade chat

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-corpus-stonks-gif-17500842

Grofit is coming for those who are parvos's avarice servants

[solid otter]

Reckon one day Albrecht will dump arcane hotshot

[tame canopy]

Im hoping for a max rank arcane reaper some day

grind, grind never changes 🧑‍🌾

[tame canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76pK9G8CVP0
watching the origin of grofit and it is high key so goofy lmao

The concept of this being an in-universe sales pitch video frobh bek runs to his investors

[solid otter]

Its so goofy lol

[tame canopy]

Actualize
Synergy
Syngerize

Growth
Profit
Grofit

bro is just slinging out Portmanteau slogans (grofit) for the hell of it

is the odd music choice and the static also a part of his advert?

was he running it on dial up internet? only the Void might know

[flat tree]

Early warframe is a vibe

this shit was the peak of combat

[night grail]

Ambulas reborn

early warframe

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[flat tree]

2017 was 9 years ago
Plains of Eidolon was released then

[tame canopy]

I missed out on the experience, but I remembered when I did this mission on non-maxxed loadout, warframe and weapons alike for rank up, and it somehow cumulated in one of the hardest fights in my life, which I only clutched via spamming atomicycle's missiles and its 4 against the ambulas

Maybe I was doing it on sp while working with unbuilt gear, lol

it was stupid but man it felt crazy good when I manage to somehow not fail the mission while solo lol

back then I didn't even have on call, or felt like packing specters : P

[tame canopy]

oh mah gawd, it's so old

anyone here suddenly feel their bones cracking?

[lethal vortex]

I was not handling that bug, so i resetted with the devil's triad again since it would halt my captura scene collecting

[analog drift]

how does one decorate the helminth room?

[wild wind]

once it's open?

[balmy storm]

like physically or are you asking for tips?

[analog drift]

tips. Wdym physically tho?

[analog drift]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

like getting in there lol

[analog drift]

oooh

[balmy storm]

there are some infested decorations but tbh you can just do whatever you want lol

[analog drift]

yes but how does one make it look... "nice"

[balmy storm]

I have a couch in there
the infested deimos prex cards
the deimos floofs
some halloween stuff

[analog drift]

or "good"

[analog drift]

may i see?

[balmy storm]

sure!
mine isn't too special, I tend to enhance the space rather than make a whole new one like some people

ill get a pic

[analog drift]

alrighty

[analog drift]

ah i see

[wild wind]

giving the thing googly eyes is tradition

[analog drift]

those eye things are very creepy. Wish i had em

[wild wind]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rock-everythingeverywhereallatonce-1--k01KQNT1Y3GEV751Y643HNW1RT9

[analog drift]

idk what i'd do with em but

[analog drift]

me want

[balmy storm]

it def looked better in the previous lighting :p

the floof area especially

[valid pine]

Wally likes the leverian too much.

Look at him, all hunched in.

[thick jolt]

he's busy rewriting everything like he tried with duviri

[analog drift]

what is up with the leverian anyway? Like what's it about?

[hearty pendant]

more bad fanfic

[analog drift]

is it important??

[thick jolt]

Virtual museum

[hearty pendant]

some frame lore

[thick jolt]

Also this yeah

[analog drift]

what's with the donation box?

[hearty pendant]

funny credit sink (does nothing)

[thick jolt]

Just flavour basically

Like "oh please donate to the museum" kinda thing

[analog drift]

ah.

[thick jolt]

Or wikipedia i guess

[hearty pendant]

although you do get the hint that drusus sold his body from a high donation so

[valid pine]

It's a one credit to 1k night wave conversion bin

[analog drift]

i wish that were true

[valid pine]

Only sometimes, night wave affinity? The mission it gives.

[wild wind]

It does actually change Drussus's dialogue if you donate enough

That's it though

[analog drift]

ah

[fading current]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!! It was honestly not a bad grind to get to rank 5. Now onto little ducks grind for some amp parts!!!

[analog drift]

:c i need to get to rank 5 still

is there a way to prevent your warframe from covering your crosshair?

[analog drift]

also did you do your standing alone or with people

[hearty pendant]

smaller frame
there will be camera offset options soon, though. w/ constellations i believe

[analog drift]

REALLY!?!? THERE WILL BE!??!?

[analog drift]

WHEN!!!

[wild wind]

Middle to late June

[analog drift]

dangit.

[analog drift]

need that. And also crosshair customization

[flat tree]

artsy rhino wtf

[misty veldt]

If im honest when I first saw that image i didnt even process that this was a camera pov thing I thought it was a map thing till I heard it was camera update

[fading current]

Alone

[analog drift]

how'd you do it?

are there any bed decorations?

[wild wind]

Yeah, in the second half of the game

Duviri, Hollvania and Zariman all have bed type decorations

[analog drift]

ooooo

also why is arthur's text tree such a minefield? Like oh my goodness there's so many ways to mess up here. Most dialogue options end the convo wth

[wild wind]

He's extremely prickly

Just treat him seriously but also pull the occasional joke

[analog drift]

that does not help lol

dont worry i have a flow chart

[wild wind]

Treat him like your bro who's having a tough time

[flat tree]

Is KIM a way to onboard people into visual novels

[analog drift]

i'm gonna treat him as he is: A minefield that you need a map to get through

[analog drift]

so far it's not working for me. It's very infuriating with how many mis-steps you can take

[analog drift]

i actually got so annoyed that i asked for a flow chart. It was just stressing me out and i wasnt having fun

[celest hollow]

you just gotta read their character profiles and go from there

i love VNs

[potent crown]

the hex is so easy though

now, devil's triad, on the other hand...

I bugged out like 3 times lol

[celest hollow]

i had no issues with the triad, i didnt bug but was forced to reset bc roathe wanted me to

[hearty pendant]

the roundtable and triad have failstates
the hex just have 'i won't date you' states
except Q, i guess, but that's a single choice at r5

[wild wind]

Yes, now play Gnosia

[potent crown]

> roathe confesses love
> vauban rework
> roathe somehow hates me now
> ?????

[flat tree]

The mucks a Gnosia

[wild wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRS2NlFlahQ

[potent crown]

amogus with nonbinary people

[wild wind]

Great description yeah

More Werewolf but still accurate

[potent crown]

yeah but if you say that people would just think nonbinary werewolves and not the game that amogus was inspired by anyway

[wild wind]

This isn't World of Darkness tho'....

(you're right people would totally jump to like Supernatural)

[hearty pendant]

yea that'd probably happen if you said Mafia as well
which is Werewolf in a different flavor afaik

[potent crown]

but yeah I kinda want to see what lyon and marie's romances are like but

I don't wanna reset again and probably get hit with bugs

emet selch it is I guess

[analog drift]

YOOO LETS GOOO

[hearty pendant]

1/6

[analog drift]

more like 6/6

[hearty pendant]

ah nice

[analog drift]

LETS GOOOOO

now what?

[hearty pendant]

interact with kalymos
she's sitting on the lower floor of the backroom

[warm scarab]

Amogus

[potent crown]

now you have a party of your lifetime

[analog drift]

is she marked by a waypoint?

[hearty pendant]

prolly

[potent crown]

best girl kalymos

[hearty pendant]

view quest, reattempt new year's eve
can pet her for an honoria as well

[potent crown]

always pet best girl kalymos

[analog drift]

hmm.... I dunno if i should do it yet or not... But i mean what else would i do?

WAIT Should i get the last rank of the hex before i start?

[hearty pendant]

hex r4 is locked behind it
so unless you want to get the standing up to the limit

[analog drift]

locked behind what

[wild wind]

yep you need to do finale to progress

[wild wind]

Locked behind Hex Finale

[analog drift]

wdym

[hearty pendant]

attempting new years again, hex finale

[wild wind]

Check your Codex lol

[analog drift]

what's locked?

story?

[hearty pendant]

rank 4 of the hex

is locked behind reattempting new year's eve

[analog drift]

so i cant get to rank 4 unless i do this or...?

[hearty pendant]

mhm

[analog drift]

are you sure it's 4 not 5?

[hearty pendant]

if you have enough standing + the materials, it'll ask for you to complete hex finale as well afaik

[analog drift]

lemmie check since i THINK i can rank up soon?

nope, 500 short

OOF

maybe if i get my mastery rank up, i can attempt it tonight

[hearty pendant]

your standing limit should let you get there

[analog drift]

ah i miscalculated. I should barely have enough

[analog drift]

i guess you were right

[analog drift]

how did me whispering something into aoi's mind prevent her brain from exploding??? Can someone answer me that??

Please?? I need to know

[balmy storm]

We calmes her down lol

She was stressing out and it was getting to her

The tenno use empathy to calm the frames, it even helps them with the infestation to an extent

[analog drift]

i dont think it was that. However i DID just look it up

[hearty pendant]

she changes what she's doing as well, iirc

[analog drift]

it wasnt empathy, aoi figured out a strategy

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Ok but we
Literally use empathy lol

[hearty pendant]

messed up the mechanisms rather than just fighting against them prolly

[analog drift]

Look lemmie explain

[balmy storm]

Or have it, rather

[analog drift]

she broke the mechanism that was pulling the rods, and then was able to shove them back in more easily

[balmy storm]

We help to calm her (empathy) and guide her

[analog drift]

It was more like encouragement

[hearty pendant]

yea
calming her via transference would give her that second to figure it out

[analog drift]

I suppose

okay now i know

at first i was utterly baffled but now i understand

[balmy storm]

Where did you look it up lol

[hearty pendant]

similar thing with amir
though we also just give him a parazon lol

[analog drift]

a wiki idk. Lemmie check

[analog drift]

i'm not there yet

[hearty pendant]

apologies, then

[analog drift]

the warframe wiki

[balmy storm]

We showed him

[analog drift]

ima dip out of this chat for a moment

spoilers

[balmy storm]

I’d advise against using that for the most part on the lore-end of things, they tend to lie and fail to cite their non-existent sources lol

[analog drift]

well the warframe wiki perfectly explained what could have happened in a logical way so....

[balmy storm]

Yes but it also may have just made up stuff as that does happen lol

[analog drift]

it's fine right now anyway

[balmy storm]

The wiki is an unreliable source

That’s all I’m trying to say

[analog drift]

well it's the only logical explanation. A worse one would be "friendship"

[balmy storm]

You know that is like
Literally what the explaination also is, right?

To save them we had to KNOW them

[analog drift]

but words of encouragement doesnt stop one from exploding their brain with their own powers. If aoi didnt have that idea to break the mechanism in that way, then she wouldnt have been able to plug the rods back in. Yes we did help, but our words did not give the strength to help aoi do this. Our words gave her inspiration

[tame canopy]

Aoi's way of being saved is actually pretty similar to how amir was saved, they were given a breather via our presence, then that brief respite granted them the clarity to do something different and prevent their death

[analog drift]

I HAVENT GOTEN THAT PART YET AAAA

[balmy storm]

Yes I
I know
We helped her by knowing her, by being her friend we knew what would help her so we could save her lol

[analog drift]

i'm out

[hearty pendant]

then go do it instead of arguing in here !

[tame canopy]

what the helly I thought you're there 💀

you were talking about the hex finale lmao

[balmy storm]

How do you see what happened to Aoi but not Amir lol

[hearty pendant]

amir happens after, there's a zariman segment between them prolly

[tame canopy]

yeah, they all got zariman intersected, guess they got busy arguing here and forgot to continue playing 💀

[balmy storm]

Did
Did they pause to immediately run here / to the wiki for an immediate explanation???

[hearty pendant]

seems so

[tame canopy]

son 😭 😭 😭 😭

[balmy storm]

Play the game!
It tells you!

Also again it’s absolutely the power of friendship

[tame canopy]

this is xata, btw

[balmy storm]

That’s the whole like
Point of it LOL

[tame canopy]

like way back when we transferred to arthur to mind dump him about the man in the wall, he resisted and eventually we got ejected
if the hex were to resist the transferrence at any point, I would imagine the situation would not go as smoothly

They all accepted our presence, quite explicitly with arthur's section, because we've bridged connections between us with the hex, and the hex to each other

the power of friendship™ and being smart™ is not mutually exclusive

[balmy storm]

Idk if we even did the info dump on purpose LOL

HEY
CATCH UP
spoils the entire game

[tame canopy]

the flashes of memories is high key macabre comedy, lol, because we also flashed stuff like wally's "true" material form on arthur's head lmao

[analog drift]

i'm just glad we helped her by giving her inspiration, instead of her randomly getting the power out of nowhere with no indication. That's good writing

anyway i've finished

[tame canopy]

excellent, and now you're treated to a pizza party from the hex :>

[hearty pendant]

i love amir moving from the couch to behind aoi n drifter in that scene

[tame canopy]

btw, there's sort of a blink and you miss it diegetic storytelling moment during quincy's section, where once you activate his 1 for him, it enters cooldown.

[balmy storm]

Yeah, we helped by knowing our friends :)

[analog drift]

the loop?

[balmy storm]

1999 was in a time loop

At the start you see the nuke go off then the loop activates

[analog drift]

are we still in it though? Why?

[tame canopy]

besides that one, his exalted 4 is activated as seen by the greyed out icon too

[balmy storm]

Read the message?

[analog drift]

i did

[balmy storm]

And what did it say lol

Cause it literally is telling you

[analog drift]

i dont get it

[tame canopy]

"you still need to keep the loop going through, don't you?"

one sentence alone tells you the drifter is still hanging around the loop

[balmy storm]

“It’s not enough to put things right, is it. We need to keep it right”

[analog drift]

yeah i dont understand that. Why not let time resume normally? The nuke wont go off now

[balmy storm]

But the loop remains, so if we don’t keep it that way then it will.

[analog drift]

there's no reason we cant make things right while allowing time to keep going

[hearty pendant]

something will move the outcome of the year back to what it was if we do not maintain it

[balmy storm]

Drifter gains control of the loop, but they didn’t make it and can’t get rid of it

[tame canopy]

not to mention the murmur leak along with wally who kidnapped rusalka

[balmy storm]

There is
The loop is still going lol

[analog drift]

there is what

oh a reason

[analog drift]

yeah no still doesnt make sense

[balmy storm]

The loop is still going
So we stay to retain the changes we like

[balmy storm]

We cannot remove the loop.

[tame canopy]

this part is important to reread

and read the message after your first completion of the hex

[balmy storm]

If we do nothing it goes back to how it was due to being a loop
The Hex only remember cause of us

[analog drift]

look. When you guys say loop, you guys make me think time is constantly resetting. Is that what's happening? Or no?

[balmy storm]

It is for the year of 1999

[tame canopy]

you ever heard of groundhog day?

[balmy storm]

But time continues outside if the loop

[analog drift]

i have. Are they reliving new years over and over? That sounds awful

[balmy storm]

Basically any changes we make within the loop will be reflected in the rest of the timeline
Most of it is small and doesn’t matter though, but we retain our changes all the same

[balmy storm]

Not new years but the entire year

[tame canopy]

dont fret, the loop got expanded to encompass the whole year now so it's a much longer stretch of time

[analog drift]

is "loop" just another way you guys are saying "time pocket"?

[balmy storm]

The Hex have to deal with the same thing Drifter dealt with
But this time they have other people

[analog drift]

ah i see

[tame canopy]

...
the game calls it that

[analog drift]

a loop, or pocket?

[tame canopy]

and it is looping?

[balmy storm]

Sure
It’s still a loop lol

[tame canopy]

nothing saying time pocket and loop don't intersect

[analog drift]

i just am really confused

[balmy storm]

Literally imagine a loop de loop on a line
The loop still exists and so does the line

[tame canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-mania-classic-game-sonic-loop-gif-17575499

[balmy storm]

If we make a change within the loop then that change goes through onto the line

[analog drift]

but what wasnt the whole point of stopping the nuke to break the loop?

[balmy storm]

No, our goal was always to get to Albrecht, then changed to getting control of the loop and then it changed into saving the Hex
We can’t break the loop

[analog drift]

also does this skin apply to akimbo guns or...?

[balmy storm]

No ):

[analog drift]

:c

[tame canopy]

since you completed the hex finale, if you rank 5 them, you'll get more lore tidbits via a mode named Temporal Archimedian

the timeline is very much not stable lol

[balmy storm]

Thanks Albrecht…

Another one of his messes we gotta clean up
All in the name of stopping Walldo ig lol

[tame canopy]

roathe calling us his janitor is more true than ever

oh, yeah, I believe isleweaver is also somewhat connected to the aftermath to the hex too, as wally kidnapped and possesses rusalka, and attacks duviri

that's a faster paced duviri experience with oraxia

[analog drift]

who's entrati again? I'm bad with names

[balmy storm]

Guy with the hat and the big cat
Loid’s boyfriend

[tame canopy]

albrecht entrati, orokin scientist responsible for the creation of void technology

[analog drift]

oooh

[tame canopy]

the one who genuinely elevated the orokin empire up a civilization tier, tbh

[balmy storm]

Responsible for Wally existing

[analog drift]

not touching that bit of info with a 10 foot pole

[balmy storm]

Why?

Their love for eachother is what stops Wally in Whispers lol

[analog drift]

i just said i didnt wanna cover it

[balmy storm]

But why lol

[analog drift]

it's like this whole thing unrelated to what i'm focused on

[balmy storm]

Ah

[analog drift]

it's a can of worms i aint gonna get into rn cuz that's a lot of questions to be answered

[balmy storm]

Their relationship is important
But yes, focus

[tame canopy]

Im not sure what's so mystifying about it?

[analog drift]

questions i gotta ask later

like i said i wont get into it rn

[tame canopy]

all right, if you say so

anyway, now you know more about albrecht

[balmy storm]

All you need to know is they love eachother
Thats it lol

What questions do you have?

[analog drift]

hang on doin hex stuff

[tame canopy]

have fun!

[analog drift]

HOLY MOLY

[balmy storm]

LOL

[analog drift]

D:

[balmy storm]

You’re 1 away

[tame canopy]

Hahahahah so close

[analog drift]

Geez man, if i wasnt hoarding all my junk i wouldnt be here. Man, the people who give this stuff up for standing would probably look at this and faint

[tame canopy]

I hope the beer's drinkable, we found them in random places in the deserted battleground

[analog drift]

bruh the velox prime isnt compatible with any skins. What was the point of me getting that skin in the first place? I have no idea what guns it's compatible with and the wiki tells me nothing

What. Who is this?

is this... Tempest? Tempest is a dude??

sorry, temple

[solid otter]

Temple, and no, they're Nonbinary

[analog drift]

He's got a male voice and face

[solid otter]

Yeah and

[tame canopy]

they're non-binary lol

[solid otter]

They use they/them

[analog drift]

temple, or the guy im talking to?

[tame canopy]

temple

[analog drift]

Im confused.

[tame canopy]

their guitar, lizzie, is she/her :>

[solid otter]

Both, they're the sake person

[balmy storm]

Flare is nonbinary.

[analog drift]

OOOH!!

[analog drift]

who

[balmy storm]

Lizzie is the guitar
Flare is the person
Lizzie uses she/her
Flare uses they/them

[tame canopy]

flare is temples real name

[analog drift]

okay now you've confused me more

[balmy storm]

Temple is a stage name

[tame canopy]

^

[balmy storm]

How???

[tame canopy]

they're a musician lol

part of a band

[analog drift]

the more you guys explain this whole thing, the more i dont get

[tame canopy]

ok, then tell us what you know so far ig

[balmy storm]

Temple/Flare
the person
With the hair
Holding the guitar
They’re nonbinary

Lizzie is the guitar.

[analog drift]

I'm just gonna call him a him cuz that's what i see. It's no biggie

[solid otter]

No

[balmy storm]

This is not complicated

[solid otter]

Dont, thats bigoted :)

[tame canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-not-woke-of-you-gif-9661978732600806729

[analog drift]

Sucks to suck i guess

[hearty pendant]

no it. kinda is
their identity is important

[solid otter]

Ah.

[balmy storm]

Flare = Temple = person = nonbinary
Lizzie = guitar = she/her

[balmy storm]

You know Warframe is like
Super woke

[analog drift]

i see a dude so its gonna mess up my brain and i wont be able to remember

[analog drift]

Yeah but i dont mind that, it's fun

[solid otter]

Casually breaks rules

Do we call mods

[balmy storm]

If you don’t try at all you won’t

[balmy storm]

Probably

[solid otter]

Reeks of transphobia lol

[analog drift]

I do try. I have a whole notes page

[tame canopy]

folks have been explaining in pretty plain terms tbh

[balmy storm]

Ok
Then try
Call them by what they are, nonbinary
You cannot prove what their bio gender is based off their voice and appearance lol

[analog drift]

My question is why it matters what i call temple?

[solid otter]

Because?

[balmy storm]

Their name is Flare
Temple is literally the stage name and frame name lol

[solid otter]

Do you want me to call you something you're not?

[tame canopy]

because it's their identity?
do you wanna be call something else you're not

[analog drift]

.... because....?

[balmy storm]

It’s like calling Arthur Excalibur

[analog drift]

you already do that to me and i dont mind

[solid otter]

Dawg how

[analog drift]

You called me transphobic, a bigot, homophobic

[tame canopy]

No way lmao

[solid otter]

You are though, fundamentally you are

[balmy storm]

So far that’s what you’re proving to be, are you not?

[analog drift]

yeah and you're free to call me that even if i dont like it

[solid otter]

You say slurs and see no issue with it, you refuse to call flare their pronouns, and you defended fascism

[analog drift]

so i'll call temple a guy because i can

[hearty pendant]

usually not respecting peoples pronouns will land you in those areas, yea

[analog drift]

do you wake up to be unhappy and argue?

[balmy storm]

But that’d be inaccurate
We aren’t being inaccurate here, you are.

[solid otter]

Yeah no ima just

Summon mods

[analog drift]

it's a fictional character. If it's a real person then i'll address them how they want me to address them

[balmy storm]

I’m sorry
I genuinely doubt that with how you’re acting right now

[solid otter]

<@&778745217037238293> person's being a transphobic asshole, please come deal with it

[hearty pendant]

if you cannot respect a fictional character, i would not trust you to respect a person

[warm scarab]

Whats happening

[balmy storm]

Uncovering a transphobe

[velvet quest]

Temple is Non-Binary. This is not negotiable.

[warm scarab]

Isnt temple a they/them

[velvet quest]

They go by they/them pronouns, and that's something we respect here.

[solid otter]

Danke spec

[velvet quest]

If you can't, then this isn't the server for you.

[analog drift]

okay. I'm sorry

[velvet quest]

Don't be sorry. Be better.

[flat tree]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFRObfpXgAAmQc9.webp

[analog drift]

alrighty, i will

[solid otter]

Not even the best moment of the mission btw

[balmy storm]

Anywho
Let’s move on from that

I am excited for Constellations

[analog drift]

What's the riot?

[solid otter]

Their gun

[solid otter]

Secondary iirc

[analog drift]

is it any good?

[balmy storm]

Meh, it’s fun maybe

[velvet quest]

Crawl Backwards Out of Heaven is such a goddamn banger

[balmy storm]

It’s been a year since I tried it ngl

[solid otter]

Xata nuke

[balmy storm]

I hope it’ll be in-game too-

[solid otter]

My mate was getting me into erra entirely independent of warframe and it was so funny to see

[velvet quest]

I think it will. Apparently some of the band actually plays Warframe

[solid otter]

They do!

[balmy storm]

Omg you need to see devshort 100

[solid otter]

Nerds/j

[velvet quest]

I probably should.

[balmy storm]

They had them on
The band has a variety of hours

[solid otter]

Rebb was also vagueposting about it before the release

She couldn't not yap about it and it was so funny

[balmy storm]

We thought Narmer was involved for like
12 hours

[solid otter]

Tbf its. pretty ironic

[hearty pendant]

didn't they make the one who only completed Awakening hold Hate lol

[balmy storm]

YEAH LOL

oh also the person with
Iirc 1500 hours? Had some good suggestions

[solid otter]

Go my rebb, go vaguepost

[balmy storm]

I unfortunately don’t recall them exactly though

[balmy storm]

Little did we know this was about grandpa

[solid otter]

Not about his son 💔

[balmy storm]

Actually
Wait
I’m def overanalyzing here
But to crawl backwards out of heaven
Like. Like time travel?
Who’s heaven???

Def trying to apply meaning to a song which may not have meaning in relation to the update lol

[solid otter]

Heaven could mean Hunhow's "final" resting place?

[balmy storm]

To crawl backwards out of it though

[solid otter]

Mm, hunhow does kinda do that

[balmy storm]

The kids break him out

Or
The theory that he just could do that is a thing and he stopped them before they maybe completely destroyed uranus

[solid otter]

Yeah christ that specific part of the song is very hunhow™

"Abandon death as your obsession" as in like. Abandoning war

[balmy storm]

He’s just a peaceful blorbo now

Just a lil guuuuy

We should maybe hold him accountable for his crimes-

[hearty pendant]

mentioned base Preparation, then backtracked because 'it might be too easy'
mentioned color-coordinating additive/multiplicative bonuses to "reduce the amount of math"

[solid otter]

Probably, he did kill a lot of people

[balmy storm]

That last one!
Steve totally was kicking himself for not thinking of it!

[warm scarab]

Forcing grandpa to lock in and get him out of uranus

Also question, outside of lavos lore are there more alchemy stuff

[balmy storm]

Albrecht did alchemy and Wally thinks it’s unnatural iirc

[warm scarab]

Ik rubedo is a direct byproduct of its processes

Hold on does the wiki have an entry on it

[balmy storm]

I would advise against using the wiki for lore

[warm scarab]

Even the wiki.warframe one?

[hearty pendant]

yea
its better than the fandom one but still not great

[tame canopy]

some tidbits are in duviri circuit alchemy missions, and sanctum alchemy mission

sanctum alchemy has the most lore, relatively speaking

[balmy storm]

Use the Orokin Archives website

[tame canopy]

^ that, too

[balmy storm]

Look up alchemy

[warm scarab]

Orokin archives? Aight

[tame canopy]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-fibonacci-alchemy/
there's genuinely only one article about alchemy and it's basically a brief on the mission type 💀

[solid otter]

He also did that shit in duviri

[tame canopy]

alchemy is low key pretty random for an albrecht invention

[solid otter]

Nah, hes always had a hint of alchemy in his thing

The whole "we end as we began" thing can be related to the ouroborus, which is a thing in alchemy

[cerulean kiln]

He’s a scientist playing Martyr

It’s expected

[tame canopy]

idk how to explain it, it's like
he invented means to harness the void and it elevated the entire civilization up a K tier, but then apparently his alchemy fascination goes beyond just textual and he apparently discovered a form of western alchemy with 4 base elemental forces, one of which is the concept of toxins, which is like, poison

[warm scarab]

Manipulation of elemental forces....

[tame canopy]

funnily enough, the teacher quest basically spelled it out right in the tutorial too

teshin himself explicitly calls the elements we wield "elemental forces"

a new player would be forgiven to think he's saying it poetically, and not literal lol

[solid otter]

Mm, teshin is aware of Albrecht, at the very least in duviri

[tame canopy]

(Magnetic) "Unlike conventional science, Alchemy produces Magnetic energy by blending cold and electricity. Mm."

(Viral) "Papa's darkest Alchemic texts direct us to combine Cold with Toxin; a Viral elemental force shall surely result."
Random dialogue from fibo that interests me a lil on the matter

2 points:

1. alchemy outputs are distinct from conventional science, so there's a delineation between, say, magnetism, and Magnetic Element Force
2. Albrecht wrote treatises on alchemy - this one's pretty expected

[warm scarab]

Actual alchemy did dive on elemental forces too right

[tame canopy]

correct!

Well, it depends on the lenses in which you approach the matter but there are some conception that deals in the western 4 elemental forces

[warm scarab]

As well as the prospects of universal medicine (i forgot the term), immortality i think, and uh hermaphrodites?

[tame canopy]

what was it again?
ah, fire, air, water, earth

[warm scarab]

Sorry if im asking this here i need it for something else

[tame canopy]

oh that last part, I recalled it's this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebis

Maybe the orokin has something tangentially related to this, as masters of biology who has transcended the constraints of conventional gender binary

Although they're anything but enlightened, as one might imagined

[warm scarab]

PANACEA, THE UNIVERSAL MEDICINE

[warm scarab]

Oh thats what its called

[tame canopy]

yes yes nodders

[tame canopy]

Hmmm, I wonder if albrecht worked on anything like that in his porfolio
maybe his doktor friday persona and his miracle cure?

albrecht really is the modern einstein

[warm scarab]

Does albrecht know about the myconians

[tame canopy]

100% certain he knows, although idk how he's "curing" the patients as doktok friday
it's definitely not like arlo's way of "curing" im certain

Ah, I think there's lettie's kim that might give a hint

[undone lodge]

That’s the classical model for the mainly known western alchemy, alongside sometimes stuff like Void (no not that Void)/Aether IIRC, but there’s also other models like the Eastern one that follows the Wuxing phases (Earth, Metal, Fire, Water, Wood)

[tame canopy]

Naruhodo, interesting

a fifth element called void/aether in irl western alchemy....
albrecht harnessed the void, then later invented alchemy as the origin systems know it....
🧐 a connection is there but Idk how to connect the dots yet

[warm scarab]

Arlo's flame....

Man i wanna add the jade light to my setting

[mild wigeon]

yo who can help me with quest

[strong owl]

spoilers

[mild wigeon]

huh

[zenith jacinth]

Specify

[ivory frost]

Which one

[visual birch]

Learned this from the castlevania show 😔 🥀

[visual birch]

Yes

Hes obviously talking about THE quest, ie the best quest in the game. The Sacrifice

[karmic idol]

Im doing the Duviri Paradox

What do I choose?
Go off or stay

Nvm, doesn't matter

[wanton grail]

Gojo dies

[upbeat knoll]

yo wtf

[balmy storm]

Dumbledore lives

[bronze saddle]

Gandalf comes back in the next movie

[misty veldt]

Captain America will not return

[bronze saddle]

Spoiler: New war

I have actual questions about the new war storyline. What caused the timelines to separate? was it when ballus yeets the operator and the lotus through the void hole, or did i miss something entirely? the classroom seem is obviously explaining converging timelines and that’s what we do, but how exactly does the drifter part of the story fit into that?

[hearty pendant]

have you completed the quest?

[bronze saddle]

Yee

[hearty pendant]

the deal with the man in the wall, the 'copy' of operator, was the split between operator and drifter

[bronze saddle]

But the drifter is aware of this and losing their powers. Like how did that happen? Or how do we end up in the drifter timeline with them being aware of the other timeline

[vernal ore]

I loged on an got this

Super awesome sauce

Bro I need his Gemini skin

[hearty pendant]

drifter never got their void powers, operator shares them when they swap after ordis blows up
still operator's timeline, though

have you done the duviri paradox?

[bronze saddle]

Yeah but in the beginning they know they have powers there’s a dialogue between ordis and the drifter where ordis says “it would be handy if you had those tenno powers right now what happened to them” and the drifter says “more like i haven’t gotten them yet”

Like how are they aware of that? obviously they eventually go back and merge the timeline but it really made the whole thing confusing for me

[balmy storm]

They don’t

They’re aware of that likely due to the lotus hand if anything or just due to their connection to Operator

They literally didn’t get them yet since the moment they get them is when Operator shakes hands with Wally
It shows Drifter
Operator brought Drifter in on having powers when Drifter saved them

[hearty pendant]

Ordis: "Forgive me, but... this would be a lot easier if you could use that old... uh... Tenno... magic. How did you lose it?"
Drifter: "I didn't. More like... I don't have it yet."
tbh i'm not super sure why they say 'yet'

[balmy storm]

My guess is from Lotus’ hand
Or
Operator saving Drifter

Other more obscure alternative that doesn’t really help us
It’s a remnant from one of the original concepts for Drifter
New War and Duviri were in development for a while

[hearty pendant]

Teshin: "You're no Tenno, but I have seen worse."
Drifter: "Sure. You want to tell me what's so special about these 'Tenno'? This ain't so hard."
Teshin: "From the other side... they command the selfsame powers of Void that make the walls of our prison. I suspect the paradox is their attempt to help us."
teshin does mention the void powers in duviri, so drifter would be aware of them
if they're then assumed to be a tenno repeatedly, its probably reasonable that they'd figure out that they were meant to have powers but don't

[balmy storm]

Thank you Grey

[wild wind]

Also, Ordis has been calling Drifter "Operator" for a very long time

Likely they confirmed that they were the same person via DNA evidence.

...and maybe the fact that Drifter is being helped by a future instance of the Operator, because that hasn't happened yet

[tight pagoda]

Lotus' hand has a fair bit of power in Duviri. For starters it has the Guide function. It also puts the Orowyrms to rest (you can hear her say "Dream" after the boss fight and that makes Thrax tired— which, holy shit, adds a fair bit to the Old Peace quest), and it's an insanely OP weapon back when you could get it as a bug

[hearty pendant]

ignoring that one time it prevented drifter from falling to death, uh, somehow

[tight pagoda]

On cooldown

[amber terrace]

How unseemly boring is this week’s Descendia?

Any Necramech stages?

[warm scarab]

the deal

[warm scarab]

drip from the zariman just dropped

[wild wind]

The Voidshells are SO cool

should have kept going with them

[warm scarab]

so like

how exactly do i grind these voidplumes...

[wild wind]

Just bounties

The plumes appear in Zariman missions like medallions too

[warm scarab]

i see

[soft moat]

You get guaranteed voidplumes from killing angels, the catch is that you have to kill angels, which is kind of annoying

[warm scarab]

just a bit

i wanna try laetum

[fading nacelle]

💎

Really strong weapon

[warm scarab]

what is it

launcher?

[obtuse gyro]

secondary pistol

12 round semi auto

[warm scarab]

ohhh

[obtuse gyro]

charge it up and have a full auto weapin

go either the devouring route or attriting route

[acoustic shale]

guys teshin dies

[fading nacelle]

A secondary pistol and i guess for you it be your first incarnon

Base pistol is mid, incarnon mode is really strong

[night grail]

Base pistol is fine

[zenith jacinth]

Wrong

[tame canopy]

Yep Base pistol is legit SP one shots if you built it right

Lots of weapons can be SP viable, but the laetum is part of the bracket where its really good at reaching that threshold

[warm scarab]

incarnons are really only obtainable in SP duviri?

[tame canopy]

Zariman weapons from cavallero have incarnon natively built in

[warm scarab]

ohhh

[tame canopy]

Dante farm from loid also got a melee weapon with native incarnon too

[warm scarab]

ruvox?

[tame canopy]

Yeah i believe thats the name, its a gauntlet weapon iirc

[balmy storm]

Onos

Ruvox is fist

[tame canopy]

Ohhhh

Fist also got incarnon mode though

[balmy storm]

Ye

Onos turns into big arm canon
Ruvox get spikes

[tame canopy]

Ah yeah i remember onos now, i got that one a while back but im stuck at the challenge where i need to headshot mocking and scathing whispers

[balmy storm]

If you can practice in the simulacrum maybe

Or use cyte

Or anything that can freeze them quick

Without killing them outright ofc

[tame canopy]

I heard oraxia web move can trap them to let me headshot them more comfortably, its why i havent got around subsuming her yet

[warm scarab]

can caliban trap them

[tame canopy]

Im pretty sure ive maxxed their scan entry so i could check that out to practice but low key im considering a trapping option though

[balmy storm]

Just know where the head is located

[tame canopy]

Save me, multishot

[tame canopy]

The whispers basically turns into your warframe so theyre pretty nimble and small in size iirc

I am.... Rather middling in terms of precision shooting

[obtuse gyro]

his 2 can

barring protection from abilities

oh the mocking and scathing? that im not sure

but they have long heads

[tame canopy]

I havent killed a whisper in a while so ill have to look up what theyre like again later for some trips to get onos stronger

[flat tree]

How would Oraxia Prime work?

Isn't the one in Duviri thee oraxia that was left behind by albrecht

[tame canopy]

Hmmmmmm oraxia is apparently albrecht's warframe, right?

Its "the scholar's pet" iirc

Maybe it will have a prime manifest itself on its own, not unlike reveanant, or maybe albrecht straight up primes her and do the narration instead

You know what would be crazy to prime? Nokko lol

I havent check his lore yet but from the bits i know his origin is an oddball case iirc

[hearty pendant]

mhm

[tame canopy]

Hell, idk how the orokin's golden aesthetics would even look like on him

Hes a mushroom guy, and his entire thing is basically being a silly mushroom guy

[obtuse gyro]

Left behind, but not necessarily made by albrecht

oraxia has a super easy leeway to be primed back in Origin

[hearty pendant]

-# i mean
-# all it would require is there being two

[obtuse gyro]

the tougher cookies would be Nokko and Flare.

Although I would caveat that nightcap doesnt know shit about warframes, and therefore not know how the hell a nokko works, leaving a great deal of ambiguity for nokko prime

[tame canopy]

I think between the two flare is easier, since in the good ending, they got ported to a comet by kaya and basically will hibernate in it and wait out 1999 all the way until the night of naga drums. I heard someone said temple could get primed by lizzie absorbing the energy from the comet to prime themselves just in time for the naga drums night

[flat tree]

what is Nokko's lore again?

[wild wind]

Nightcap was part of a crew sent to build the foundations for Fortuna a few decades ago

A sprodling starts messing with them, which Nightcap names "No Co"

[obtuse gyro]

I have a major issue with that idea, namely being that this contradicts the fact that we have the base temple blueprint

[obtuse gyro]

for "no corporation"

[hearty pendant]

Nightcap: "Well look at you, Nokko. You ain't some leftover freak that some Orokin mucker made in a lab. Don't know how or why, but somewhere along the line you became the roots and fruits."
the main bit

[wild wind]

Eventually Nef Anyo gives the order to burn every mushroom in the Undermine to ashes

[night grail]

There are like 8 innate incarnon weapons:
Phenmor, Laetum, Felarx, Innodem, Praedos (zariman)
Onos, Ruvox (entrati labs)
Thalys (isleweaver)

Otherwise yeah incarnon genesis is only circuit

[wild wind]

Nightcap responds by blowing the elevator shaft, because the fungal bloom is eating the byproducts of the Orokin cooling towers

[tame canopy]

I recall that ballas didnt actually created temple in the origin times though, albrecht stole the temple batch and injected flare with it in 1999. Even flare good ending email confirms ballas never actually actualized temple the warframe in his time

[wild wind]

Without the mushrooms, Venus is going to catch on fire again

[tame canopy]

Us having their bp is honestly probably cuz of lizzie being helminth and thus have atemporal properties

[wild wind]

Eventually Nightcap dies of dehydration/starvation, but is incorporated (teehee) into the Undermind and eventually resurrected as himself, now overgrown with mushrooms

[night grail]

Ballas designed the warframe temple but he for once in his life had the foresight to not create something that would backfire on him

Too bad Entrati took that and made temple real anyways

[wild wind]

Well. We know he dies, we know he's not dead now, and that he feels a connection to the mushrooms.

Oh also it's kinda sorta maybe implied that "The Prince" is the original Nokko sprodling that Nightcap knew??

Because the sprodling grew into the Nokko Warframe and when you do the Stem Paths you're seeing that sprodling's memories.

Who knows, mushrooms are weird and also Wally is a mushroom sometimes, so.

[tame canopy]

DE made lore accurate mushrooms confirmed?

[wild wind]

hahahahaha

Vallis Undermine is my favorite of the non-story updates

[night grail]

You cannot kill me in a way that matters

[tame canopy]

Still cracks me up that the mushrooms also grows a viable archgun too

[zenith jacinth]

Mind

[obtuse gyro]

yea so we require Flare to arrive at the night of naga drums as temple base, otherwise we dont have anything to base temple base off in

because we sure as hell cant base it on the incomplete version that flare is

[flat tree]

MMMMM MHM MMMMMMMMMMMMMM 🗣️ 🎵

[floral hawk]

MMM MMMMM MMM MMM MMMMMMMMM 🗣️ 🎵

[zenith jacinth]

Microwaves

[tame canopy]

Is there lore stating flare arrived as base temple? Genuine question btw

[obtuse gyro]

its what Flare themselves suggests

its in their email

[zenith jacinth]

Their

[hearty pendant]

"And that's okay. Because the Warframe from your time - 'Temple' - it's me. One and the same. The Warframe that Ballas was too scared to build, because rebellion was built into its DNA."

[obtuse gyro]

they ask why temple is named temple and why we got them blah blah blah, conclusion ass blast into future via rock(et)

[night grail]

Stowaway on a comet

There's a starman waiting in the sky or whatever

[tame canopy]

I mean if thats the rationale idk if this really means no temple prime in night of nage drums, since thats flare making a declarative statement, I watched a bunch of prime trailers and even ballas doesnt exactly call prime wf "insert prime" as their official name, he always ends with stating their name sans the prime part

[night grail]

Idk temple prime seems easy enough to explain

[tame canopy]

Not to mention flare could become temple before they waited long enough to reach the origin times, since its like centuries to a few millenias until 1999 reach that point in time

[wild wind]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NMx8zbyqeog

[night grail]

Either lizzie or temple themselves will somehow prime themself because thats in-character. A warframe never supposed to exist appropriating the aesthetic of the Orokin would be pretty "sticking it to the man"

[flat tree]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-arm9Z8F7B8

MMMMM MHM MMMMMMMMMMMMMM 🗣️ 🎵
MMMMM MHM MMMMMMMMMMMMMM 🗣️ 🎵
MHM MMMMMMMMMMMMMM 🗣️ 🎵

[tame canopy]

Xata...
Not our first time a wf primed themselves outside ballas' jurisdiction

[night grail]

Yeah lavos set the precedent

[tame canopy]

And like, flare got literal centuries at minimum before they reached the night of naga drums, they could just transformed into temple in the middle of their hibernation

[night grail]

Revenant is eternalism or something he doesnt count

[obtuse gyro]

my only issue is if this was done on the rock

if it was done after the night of naga drums then whatever

but base temple needs to make landing on the night

[night grail]

Tbh I'd love for it to be during

[tame canopy]

Yooo thats actually a good idea

🔥

[night grail]

Picking up the pieces of a collapsing empire only to help it burn

[tame canopy]

I can accept that conjecture too lol

Good answer nephew ‼️

[night grail]

Unrelated this song is so good

i love vansire

[warm scarab]

revenant?

[warm scarab]

ball ass

[wild wind]

it's worth noting that the problem Flare has with the blueprint is that the blueprint has Lizzie attached

Drifter implies that the design itself wasn't taken from Temple directly, but rather came from an ayatan sculpture memory

[tame canopy]

they did? Interesting... I didnt remembered that

[wild wind]

yeah it's from one of the early KIMs, Flare asks where we get BPs from, Drifter responds that they're mostly from ayatan

[hearty pendant]

they mention that for general blueprints, that they still uncover wf blueprints from aya, but idr it being applied to temple specifically

[warm scarab]

ayas are cloud drives after all

[tame canopy]

Wait if thats what we are talking about that doesnt mean all wf came from ayatans

[wild wind]

Right, that's where Flare asks about why Temple's BP has Lizzie

[tame canopy]

my curiosity is now piqued, im not at home rn, does anyone know the kim chat being referenced? Id love to refresh my memory

[warm scarab]

wasnt Cyte-09's schematics and all that coming from quincy who coincidentally cyte

[hearty pendant]

i'm finding a convo about blueprints coming from aya with quincy, but not flare

[tame canopy]

Wait quincy as a vendor? He doesnt sell those iirc, amir does

[hearty pendant]

quincy has a bunch of cosmetics, amir has the guns n cyte bps

[warm scarab]

i meant like the cyte bps are created with him cuz the og bps are gone

[night grail]

Quincy allegedly has clothing

Allegedly because he actually doesn't

[warm scarab]

recreated using quincy

[solid otter]

N Loid digs out the main bp from the pile of shit Albrecht has iirc

[warm scarab]

or smth idk

[solid otter]

Because. Albrecht hoards