spoiler-chat

[visual birch]

Nah we know they the same person thats all there is to it

[balmy storm]

I’m sorry my imagination doesn’t agree with your imagination lol

[steep totem]

Maybe try thinking of how this could work, instead of how it couldn't

[balmy storm]

My entire basis is based off of what we have been told and what we’ve observed
They’re just Operator and Drifter but as Warframes, that’s their situation lol

[balmy storm]

Which is why I talked about them maybe fusing lol

[steep totem]

That's thinking of how it couldn't

Fusion isn't coexistence

[balmy storm]

I mean from what we know and the emphasis on their tech it could also be possible Albrecht, or whomever they got their tech from, had some way for eternalism cases to coexist to some degree at the same point in spacetime

Presently we just do not know enough though

[steep totem]

Fair point
We don't know enough

[balmy storm]

Heck they could not fuse and they just end up being exactly like Drifter and Operator, one gets put in the bubble

Mechanically akin to Equinox with the lore explanation being they’re like us
Which
They are like us so void bubble is very possible

If they do merge I do think it will be unintentional, possibly the Universe trying to accommodate for their existence but struggling due to them being infested

Void bubble is honestly the most likely outcome though lol

[weak stratus]

We'll have to see. We only have a glimpse of what's actually going on. I could've sworn it was confirmed that they're two separate frames though. I'd have to find the source again though to confirm

I for one can't wait to see what they have in store

[mortal stirrup]

Latest hotfix made the Hunhullus Ephemera unlinkable 🫡

[tight pagoda]

I mean it's dropping in less than a week anyways

[peak heath]

Hmm, new proto-frames. I wonder if these are romancable and since it's in a new postal code I wonder if you're allowed one of them in addition to the one in 1999 and XX99.

Since the rule right now seems to be one per area code.

[solid otter]

They're not romancable, and apparently do not have a kim

[balmy storm]

“It’s not cheating if it’s time travel” - worst “joke” ever lol

[peak heath]

Oh well, I'm sure they'll be cool regardless.

[balmy storm]

You can have them as railjack crewmates!

[peak heath]

It's just returning to "tradition" where you can drive for 2 hours and have a whole second family.

[balmy storm]

Awful 😭

Maybe one day they’ll fix the Triad and make it so you can, idk, talk to your other partner about being poly before you just cheat on them :p

[peak heath]

I'm glad they added the option for poly relationships though. Like genuinely.

[solid otter]

No ducky, it'll restrict the player too much/s

[peak heath]

I mean, good luck writing for a polycule. But the option is nice to have. Though it does feel like an afterthought.
But that's also because 1999 wasn't written with expansions to relationships in mind.

[balmy storm]

😭

[balmy storm]

But it’s not
That’s the thing

[peak heath]

Yeah, it's not poly because everyone isn't with everyone else in the relationship and it wasn't formed with the whole idea of it in mind.
This is more like a one-way non-monogamy.

Though it is funny to joke about the Devil's Triad adding triads to the game. 🤣

[solid otter]

Its just an open relationship, that. Was poorly formed

[balmy storm]

It’s not poly because you cheat on your partner and then ask for permission lol

Poly relationships can exist even if some members of the relationship can’t physically meet, so long as they can communicate it should be fine
But we can’t even have that because it was mostly an afterthought

I mean the “joke” they made about it alone
Yeesh
They heard polycules and chose the literal worst way to add it
A rare misstep from DE

[solid otter]

It doesn't happen often but when it does its not fun

[balmy storm]

Had happened way less with Rebb at least

[solid otter]

True, I am thankful for that

[fading nacelle]

No kim? Really?

Is all their Lore in uranus próxima then

[balmy storm]

Unknown, we don’t even know what system they’ll have exactly

[ivory frost]

Nice pfp👌

[fading nacelle]

You too 🤝

[fiery coyote]

What the-- 👀
Is that Sirius?

[visual birch]

Makes sense cause they seem to not be related to albrecht but maybe his protoframe strain got used on them in the future

Rather than him making them himself

[steep totem]

That's Stalker

[fiery coyote]

First time seeing him outside a mission

DE always thinking about those little details 2.6k hours and this is my first time

[steep totem]

He does have the baby with him though

[fiery coyote]

#1 Dad btw

[fading nacelle]

Es el stalker w

[fiery coyote]

Primera vez que lo feo fuera quizá nunca me di cuenta, tiene su bebé en brazos

como buen papa soltero

[balmy storm]

Not in Sirius and Orion’s timelines

[fiery coyote]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9mc-smile-cat-sad-so-lGBecpB2dIMwt6ohfI

[misty veldt]

Tried doing a funny. I suck at drawing tho but yummy finger. I also have no clue if this is the right place to share but have this

[balmy storm]

I theorize he was actually a good dad but in their version of events he got killed/abducted (possibly by future Sirius and Orion)
But we shall see!

[balmy storm]

Why it got hair

[misty veldt]

Meant to be the void energy however it ended up looking like that in hindsight

[fiery coyote]

He's a good dad to me too

[misty veldt]

Its kaya approved as its number 3 on her likes

[celest hollow]

so thats where albrecht hid the finger

[undone lodge]

Hasn’t been shaved in 1000 years

[analog drift]

Why is zariman standing important?

[tame canopy]

In what ways?

Like i dont recall anything thats locked behind maxing zariman standing. the incarnons are accessible through that syndicate but its not ranking dependent

[night grail]

Arcanes and amp adapter and good weapons

[analog drift]

do the decorations look any good or do they look too aged?

[night grail]

You tell me

A ton of wall panels

[analog drift]

so just the wall panels look good?

[night grail]

Here's a table and trash can on the right

A tad grimy

[analog drift]

hmmmm

[night grail]

You really just gotta experiment and see

Also the funny

[analog drift]

wtf

[obtuse gyro]

give

[night grail]

Its The Wall™

Dont look at it too hard it hurts

[analog drift]

clearly

i need to look at how people design the helminth room

i assume it's a lot of coverings or something

[night grail]

I had ayatans burning a hole in my inventory and I don't need the endo so I just put them there and it kept growing

[night grail]

I don't

[analog drift]

You could give em to people who need em

[night grail]

Okay thats not true I gave helminth pong

[analog drift]

dont wut

oh right

[night grail]

I don't actually bother decorating the helminth room usually

[night grail]

Idk the wall has given me a lot of joy every time someone new witnesses its glory

[analog drift]

fair enough

[analog drift]

i see i see

what should i pick?

[celest hollow]

cantic

[analog drift]

thank you

[analog drift]

i've been noticing way more broken ai lately

[tame canopy]

The Wall Prime™

[fading current]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/bxrFjF6J3Ok

heh…using Marie as well. Giving me saber vibes

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fate-zero-saber-excalibur-gif-21673490

[flat tree]

-# god I've got to play fate

[wild wind]

It's an ok visual novel

Watch UBW and Fate/Zero and you'll have a much better experience

Fate Abridged is also pretty good but relies on knowledge of the source material for any of the jokes to land

[obtuse gyro]

Carnival Phantasm best fate series

[wild wind]

ACTUALLY yes

https://klipy.com/gifs/berser-car-carnival-phantasm--k01KQC2J80CF5BXZ2VCK6629JJN

[fading current]

Also watch fate strange fake. Especially the prologue. And if you directly watch it after Fate/Zero, Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files is a good follow up on that storyline all directly leading into the fate strange fake storyline

[obtuse gyro]

literally my favourite joke in the whole series

screw lancer always dying, berser-car is where its at

[wild wind]

It's either that or Assassin sticking the shrine he's bound to on a semi-truck for me

[fading current]

What an interesting timeline lol

[flat tree]

I've heard its fine but like there's like so many starting points and
-# for the love of god I spent $60 on FSN remastered and ataraxia remastered

[fading current]

Probably pruned eventually???😆🤣

[wild wind]

Also if we start recommending the spinoffs we have to talk about the third season of the magical girl show

I haven't opened this meme folder in actual years hahahaha

[wild wind]

oh well if you've paid for it then it's a different story, just clear a weekend

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/ubw-emiya-fate-stay-night-extra-gif-21253544

[wild wind]

still peak

[potent crown]

Play the original 20 year old visual novel with the infamously bad NSFW scenes

[zenith jacinth]

oh, that's what that one terraria mod based the attack on... nito

[cobalt scroll]

sorry for asking here, but when the next devstream gonna live?

[celest hollow]

may

no date yet but sometime in may i believe

[potent crown]

Last Friday of May is what I heard

[balmy storm]

Yeah most likely May 29th

[timid dove]

dont use protea during the Old Peace campaign... you can break the level during the mission, i got lucky that i fulfilled the objective before Anchor rewind happened
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348590703906787370/1498997989534990356/Warframe_2026-04-27_13-42-47.mp4?ex=69f3322a&is=69f1e0aa&hm=64e43645491881fe0dc2e561357d41954d8f4e8e344e37416f2529d0d10ac72b&||

[balmy storm]

Might wanna send that in as a bug report lol

[cerulean kiln]

You can't even use Protea for the quest lol it's a bug

[balmy storm]

Rewound so hard you went back to the old peace for real

[cerulean kiln]

We found the Protea from the quest

[tight pagoda]

For this bit you can

[solid otter]

Nah, look at the end of the video, are we supposed to have our chosen warframe during the actual old peace segment? In the elevator...?

[balmy storm]

No

[cerulean kiln]

You can use it but it's the length of it that isn't intended

[hybrid tundra]

Hello, can someone exaplain what happened during the Heart of Deimos quest? The wiki's synopsis is missing. From what I got the family's minds are degrading, we go earning everyone's trust, go to the heart for... reasons... and a rogue necramech blows it up. Then the family gets together, we find another necramech to use, go fix the heart after the explosion, and dispatch the rogue necramech. Was one omni tool all it took to fix the mental degradation problem? Why were we going to the heart in the first place?

[solid otter]

The heart was already failing

Due to. Maybe the infestation

The family's minds are degrading from the same infestation

[cerulean kiln]

Due to Grandmother

[solid otter]

The omni tool just repairs the heart, calming everyone down

[cerulean kiln]

Omni tool is just a every day repair tool

[hybrid tundra]

So after the quest everything is back to where it started, as if we never did it.

And their minds are still degrading, just nobody complains about it now.

[cerulean kiln]

They still are

That's why there's a mend the family thing

[solid otter]

The mind degradation can get slowed, and is possibly spurred on by the isolation between each other

[timid dove]

U can in the stage shown in the clip

[solid otter]

Go to the end

[cerulean kiln]

Not for as long as it happened

I meant you can't use it as long as it was

[timid dove]

No, but after the scene in he elevator, you go up to the dark refractory area with your currently equipped warframe, and the end of that segment is where this clip is

[solid otter]

And. At the end of the clip, they're back in the old peace area in the elevator

[timid dove]

I DO have an 18 second Anchor so that might be why it bugged out, but the anchor that caused the bug was set halfway through the fight

[tight pagoda]

Ah yeah good point I didn't watch the whole thing

[timid dove]

Yeah, thats the bug im talking about, hence im saying, dont start the quest with protea equipped

Its my own clip

[tight pagoda]

Also I had this when I replayed it, where I cut Protea in half

[timid dove]

Nuuu my main

[cerulean kiln]

Cut you in half for bugging it out

Mandatory debugging

[timid dove]

Im sorry my anchor chose to displace itself centuries back in time and space, all the way out to Tau

This is almost as funny as that one time where there was a typo in maintenance schedule and people theorised protea was performing the maintenance

[cerulean kiln]

Someone had to do it

[hybrid tundra]

Will I be spoiled if I do TNW and Duviri content without finishing the optional content on Deimos?

[solid otter]

Hm? The ranking up of the family?

Id suggest doing it, if only for Albrecht's requiem logs

[tame canopy]

This is truth lol
If one examines grandmother, she sells various ointments and treatments that has desc indicating they help with their memory issues and supposedly halt infestation somewhat

These are sort of like family token packs ingame iirc

In the sense that they give a variety of token from various family members in one go at the cost of ingame resources

Even without ingame lore, letting the entratis isolated and ruminating on negative thoughts is intuitively a reasonable cause for worsening their state of being

[solid otter]

Wally might also have a hand

[tame canopy]

After all. Every rank up from them is a heart to heart from each pair

Almost like patching up their bonds and reaffirming their love for each other might be related to the story theme surrounding the indifference :3

[tame canopy]

Mother heard voices right?

The voices that haunts her to shut down the heart. Was it?

[solid otter]

She did

She heard. Tapping beyond the untime door

She thought it was her father

In a way it was

[tame canopy]

💀 true nodders

Random thought but how did they hid during narmer?

[solid otter]

They. Hid ig

[tame canopy]

Like how did they physically hide themselves

[solid otter]

The worms would blast murexes out of the sky

[cerulean kiln]

They have a door that can be locked

[warm scarab]

yeah did deimos successfully fended off Narmer

[solid otter]

And I would assume it meant "going dark", turning off most tech

[cerulean kiln]

Shouldve just gone into the Void tbh

[solid otter]

And destroy the planet more?

[cerulean kiln]

It didn't destroy it last time

[tame canopy]

Father knows about murmur so hes vetoing against that plan lol

[solid otter]

"Did I tell you Ballas sent one of his Narmer Murexes sniffing around here?"
"Vome and Fass blew it clear out of the sky!"
"Only thing they hate worse than each other is having their territory invaded."

[balmy storm]

Infested and sentients don’t mix, heart is too valuable, best to leave it be

Ballas may be stupid but
He’s not a complete idiot

[cerulean kiln]

Infested and Sentients are like an Unstoppable force and an immovable object

[solid otter]

And for some reason daughter is upset about not fighting

[warm scarab]

lmaooo vome and fass are better defenses than entire grineer armies

[solid otter]

Privileged girl stuff or something

[warm scarab]

daughter demands blood, or whatever sentients spill

[cerulean kiln]

Vome and Fass have double standards

[solid otter]

Perhaps they detected the murex a threat

[tame canopy]

Tbf she helps with current narmer ops with kahl so shes willing to get herself involved in however she can

[solid otter]

She wants to fight, mother doesn't want her to, for every right reason

[cerulean kiln]

Maybe they don't care about Warframes landing because Infested

But then there's the Grineer and Corpus that landed

[balmy storm]

You would think one would surrender
And you would be right it’s the sentients

[solid otter]

Not big threats

[warm scarab]

theyre nerds thats why the infested didnt jump them frame 1

[solid otter]

Murexes absolutely could do pretty bad damage to them if they dont destroy em first

[cerulean kiln]

Think they knew they’d also get destroyed going to Eris?

[solid otter]

A singular corpus and a group of grineer are just more food for em

[tame canopy]

Theres also a chance narmer veil gets added into the mutualist strain and create brand new flying parasitic infested lol

Or mind controlling spore spewing monsters

[warm scarab]

propaganda infested

[cerulean kiln]

Maybe they did get the Grineer and Corpus ships but they survived the landing with a Parachute

[warm scarab]

does everyone look like margulis when you put on the infested narmer veils

[tame canopy]

I imagine after the failure with deimos narmer most likely just avoided further attacks to deimos and avoided eris entirely

[warm scarab]

is eris THAT dangerous

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[tame canopy]

Its another fully infested planet iirc

[warm scarab]

oh right

[tame canopy]

So very much dangerous

[warm scarab]

arlo and shit

[cerulean kiln]

Ballas didn't inherit the If at first you don't succeed try and try again philosophy

[warm scarab]

wait they why are most if not all of the maps there infested corpus tilesets

[tame canopy]

Hah yeah eris is the origin of a strain that mimics people, thats so insane lore wise narmer def isnt risking that strain resurging with new narmer veil adaptations

[cerulean kiln]

Eris didn't just get infested

It is legit cutting through the planet

We have never even gone into its surface probably for very good reason

[warm scarab]

its supposedly worse than deimos?

[tame canopy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1aqg4nk/so_im_just_now_learning_that_eris_apparently/

💀 it gets wild on eris

[tame canopy]

idk much on that aspect of infested lore but eris doesn't have anybody like the entrati to assist in combating and studying the infested there

[warm scarab]

conclusion: Eris is Austrailia

[cerulean kiln]

@solid otter found your location due to this comment

[hybrid tundra]

(just ranked up on Entrati standing) So it's not like the Entrati are trusting us enough to tell us their names, they are naming each other. Was that referenced anywhere prior to unlocking their syndicate?

[warm scarab]

i think they forgot their names, not sure tho

[tight pagoda]

They forgot much of their past, including their names (with the exception of Grandmother, who gave hers away and is simply called Grandmother now)

[cerulean kiln]

Prior to the quest releasing, no but there's the Grandmother lore about names having power you can do which I don't think you need to rank up to listen to so can in theory do before

[solid otter]

Awh balls

[plain onyx]

sooo about the drifter and operator

[warm scarab]

hey kiddo

[plain onyx]

are they the same person or nah? cause one can be a dude and the other a dudette

or, hold on, "same person but different timeline" situation?

[warm scarab]

yes

[agile haven]

the magic of eternalism

[warm scarab]

a choice makes a branched timeline type shi

[agile haven]

I hope you were paying attention in class on the Zariman

[plain onyx]

so, multiverse situation type shi

[warm scarab]

he either gets isekaid or get space magic, all other options would not gurantee his survival

[plain onyx]

how'd i know lmao, i left this game a year ago and i just came back hours ago

soo, kind of like, in an alternate universe out there exists a female version of myself?

that sounds fun lol

[agile haven]

essentially every choice creates a new timeline, the issue is accessing those alternative timelines. the Deal with Wally collapsed the Tenno's timelines into two. One where they took it and because the operator, and one where they didn't and became the Drifter

(before anyone says anything I know that we don't have any conclusive evidence that was caused by the deal but it seems the likely answer to me)

[plain onyx]

christ, i forgot how confusing this game's lore is..

[agile haven]

it's wonderful

anyhow due to void shenanigans the Operator and Drifter can now occupy the same timeline. But iirc only one of them can access void abilities at any given point in time

they've got joint custody over their soul I guess

[plain onyx]

uh

i gotta start rewatching how the lore works again..

[warm scarab]

the wall told me i had to share my space magic

[plain onyx]

everything's so damn confusing-

[agile haven]

the situation is inherently confusing and we definitely don't have a strong understanding of how it works so it probably won't get much more digestable

[solid otter]

Only one can exist in the same spot of spacetime, one can exist in 1999 while the other can be in the sanctum, despite it being in the same timeline, just not the same part of time

But if you put 2 in a room at the same time, the universe freaks out

[agile haven]

oh yeah I remember

[solid otter]

Theres exceptions to this, being void or void saturated areas

[agile haven]

it puts one in timeout on the Zariman

[plain onyx]

..would the universe attempt to slime out one of them if that happens?

also, wait, can the operator enter 1999?

[agile haven]

I think the universe would probably slime itself out

[plain onyx]

oh jeez-

[solid otter]

They can if drifter isn't there, though theres no reason for them to be there

[agile haven]

yeah but they're busy doing dark refractory stuff

[solid otter]

Ideally it'll kick them out

[plain onyx]

dark what now-

[agile haven]

the memory pool

where lotus and loid are giving us ptsd flashbacks

[solid otter]

It's Albrecht's trauma pool

For whatever reason he needed one

[plain onyx]

hmm, are there any point where the operator and drifter meet again after the new war? because as far as i remember before i left, drifter is just here stuck in 1999 doing whatever while the operator is just doing tenno shits in the normal world

[solid otter]

Lotus eaters

[solid otter]

Not to say he doesn't have trauma but like.

Dude you recall everything with a scary clarity what do you mean

[cerulean kiln]

It's probably in case Wally tried messing with his memories

[plain onyx]

i don't remember playing lotus eaters lol

[agile haven]

to be fair it probably had a use. Orokin live very long and have lots of memories. the traditional means of storing them were endo and Ayatan treasures. Albrecht didn't need to do that if he could just hop into his hot tub for instant memory recall

[solid otter]

I wouldn't imagine the tub is warm.. shit looks cold asf

[agile haven]

and it's safer than having your infohazardous memories stolen because someone liked the statue they were kept in

[solid otter]

Tbf Albrecht did have ayatans too

And

Netracells upon Netracells of junk

[warm scarab]

aya the "safest" usbs

[agile haven]

the quest is pretty much just a single cutscene

[plain onyx]

aw dang it

[agile haven]

it was closer to an interlude to 1999 than anything else

[agile haven]

if it makes you feel better drifter talks about the operator quite a bit in KIM chats

[cerulean kiln]

It's much easier to name something Albrecht had than something Albrecht doesn't have

[plain onyx]

kewl

[agile haven]

I guess if you had a backrooms basement that was in another dimension you would become a hoarder

[cerulean kiln]

DE directly described it as such in marketing for it yet nobody payed attention then get shocked when it wasn't a super long quest

[plain onyx]

"beyond the origin system"

TAU SYSTEM!?

FINALLY!?

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, your Drifter would be taking appearances based on your Operator (or vice versa if you chose to do Duviri Paradox before Second Dream). While you can have the two be different genders, they were the same person to start.

[tight pagoda]

Yeah

[plain onyx]

YESSIRRRR

[tight pagoda]

The Old Peace is memories of Tau

This year's End-of-Year update will be us returning to Tau in the present

[plain onyx]

exciting

[visual birch]

Is there a specific month thats "end of the year"?

Or do they just say end of the year

[tight pagoda]

Well officially I think all they've said is "Tau 2026" but all these big updates are in December

[visual birch]

Cool

[tight pagoda]

First or second week so that way they can make some immediate hotfixes before going on break

Old Peace was released Dec 10th, I believe.
1999 was the year before that and launched Dec 13th

[solid otter]

The guy either bought or stole cars, i don't know whats funnier either lol

[cerulean kiln]

Maybe he built it

[agile haven]

do you think anyone misses the Entire Train he's got in the Sanctum

[solid otter]

He doesn't even have his drivers license

[cerulean kiln]

Does he have a teleport license?

[solid otter]

It probably got obliterated when it reentered the actual time it was in, that shit was not on any tracks 😭

[opaque fog]

Are orion and sirius gonna be playable?

[uncut solar]

Yes

They're new warframes

[opaque fog]

holy shit

[balmy storm]

Get more info on May 29th (probably)

[opaque fog]

Different mechanics?

[balmy storm]

Maybe they’re 1 frame maybe they’re 2
we don’t know yet

[uncut solar]

I'm team green all the way

[uncut solar]

We don't know yet

But they do have something funky going between them

[opaque fog]

Sirius vs orion is just nvidia vs amd ay?

[uncut solar]

I saw this in homestuck once

[opaque fog]

And i got a hunch that this means orion and sirius wont have a prime version

[uncut solar]

Of course they would

[hearty pendant]

one's already here via eternalism (if not both)
it isn't that much farther to grab their primes from it too

[balmy storm]

Can’t believe they summoned the hiveswap portals

[uncut solar]

For real

[opaque fog]

oh right, i forgot about lavos

iirc lavos gets his prime after lavos right?

[hearty pendant]

lavos primes himself

[uncut solar]

Yes Lavos gets his prime after Lavos

Thanks to Lavos and due to Lavos

Lavos is also to blame for it

I wish they didn't have to bring Lavos into that though

If only Lavos was here

[balmy storm]

I think they would probably be the most far fetched primes tbh, even with eternalism I’m unsure how they could happen unless they had a way to prime themselves in the future

[uncut solar]

It's the evil future

[obtuse gyro]

who knows man, within 4 years DE just needs to make somebody capable of making primes on our side

[uncut solar]

In the evil future ballas is a good guy who makes you a prime if you ask him

[obtuse gyro]

actually 3 years since we have temple waiting

[uncut solar]

He's also gay

[opaque fog]

Ballas + good guy = oxymoron

[balmy storm]

Ballas is actually a loving and caring father who believes in his partner and in proper mental healthcare!

[solid otter]

Yeah him and parvos had a kid

[obtuse gyro]

-# DE just let albrecht do it man, he's like the lowest hanging fruit to explain primes that exists outside of the orokin era

[solid otter]

Protea

[uncut solar]

In the alternative universe the rumors are true

[opaque fog]

the greatest phyical therapist of all time

[uncut solar]

They're true in the original universe too but you're not gonna get executed for stating the obvious

[opaque fog]

ah yes when eternalism

[uncut solar]

Their signature weapons will be two very different weapons

One is big and slow

Another is slow and big

[tight pagoda]

The primes are from another two timelines where Stalker named him something cool like Zack or Axel

[balmy storm]

Xaku…

[balmy storm]

LOL

[timid dove]

I would reccomend doing it, if anything, getting the gear offered from deimos and Empyrean missions after rising tide will make the later elements of TNW easier.

and Duviri? Aside from the opening cinematic, it wont spoil any of the Origin System stuff, and the opening cinematic wont make sense at first but it ties into the start of TNW

As lorewise, there is an event in a cinematic of TNW that happens simultaneously to the opening cinematic of Duviri paradox

So if you are gonna do the 2 of them, do Diviri paradox first

Then TNW

[balmy storm]

Many do TNW first Duviri second but they were made to be in either order

[solid otter]

I suggest at least getting to know the entrati before touching duviri

[balmy storm]

There is no correct way but the community def loves one way over the other lol

[solid otter]

-# cuz adoptive mother 2 electric boogaloo voices it

[balmy storm]

As you said before it is good to listen to Entrati’s notes

[timid dove]

I preferred unlocking steel path before getting to duviri paradox

[balmy storm]

If nothing else maybe just look those up

[balmy storm]

I played it all on release so I didn’t get as much of a choice lol

[timid dove]

Getting to know Teshin before both duviri and New war makes cinematics more touching in both campaigns

[solid otter]

Nothing is more satisfying to make the connection between what happens in those and the weird guy following you around

[steep totem]

I played Duviri Paradox long before New War
around the Mars junction, iirc

[cerulean kiln]

It's actually now impossible to meet Teshin only after doing Duviri

[timid dove]

Havent checked junctions in a while, is it still required to do duviri paradox to get to Uranus?

Cant log on rn

[balmy storm]

It’s not required at all no

I don’t believe so anyway

[hearty pendant]

not required but you get access to duviri before TSD

[timid dove]

Yeah

On my newer warframe account i had fresh start, this time around i did duviri paradox as soon as it was available

Loved it.

The soulslike vibes are cool

[warm scarab]

TSD?

[balmy storm]

The Second Dream

[warm scarab]

ohh

what happened in that again was that the operator reveal

it was right

[hearty pendant]

yeah

hence why duviri being before it is. upsetting
kinda spoils that whole thing

[warm scarab]

ehh duviri should be tied close to TNW anyways

like either play it before TNW or immediately after

[cerulean kiln]

I honestly hope the people who do it before have a terrible memory

[hybrid tundra]

I heard that Duviri technically takes place before TNW, but alludes to it a lot, so one would still want to do the quests in order of release.

[warm scarab]

yeah but duviri being available so early makes you wanna do it early too yknow

[cerulean kiln]

It starts when Operator gets stabbed and Lotus loses her hand

[warm scarab]

like if its at least after second dream it would be better,

[hearty pendant]

yea, duviri takes place between act 1 and 2 of new war

[steep totem]

My take: if you do it early enough (and actually pace yourself through the game)
You either forget enough of what happens that you don't get spoiled
Or you didn't understand the spoilers

Although this was before The Teacher released,
So now new players will definitely know who Teshin is now

[hearty pendant]

the teacher + duviri being unlocked the planet before TSD is reducing that chance significantly now

[steep totem]

And to be honest, at first I kinda thought that the Teshin in Duviri was some actually part of Duviri
And completely separate from the one in the Origin System

[warm scarab]

For me the issue isnt that its spoilers, and more like if placed way behind TNW duviri looks out of place and without context

[steep totem]

Lol
little did I know...

[wild wind]

One of the big new player complaints about Warframe is that there's no story before The Second Dream. Duviri was the first serious attempt to fix that.

[warm scarab]

Ahhh wait before?

Huh.

[wild wind]

Yeah, originally it was the game's alternate start

[cyan sphinx]

hi hi

so.. just double checking here, new Garuda skin drops with Jade shadows constellations right ?

[steep totem]

People who don't play Vox Solaris, clearly

[wild wind]

You could either start with Awakening/Vor's Prize or Duviri Paradox

[cyan sphinx]

thanks!

[wild wind]

Funny story but Vox Solaris is now the third or fourth quest you have to do in the game for that very reason

[warm scarab]

I was gonna say Heart of Deimos is pretty big but i forgot what happened there, Vox Solaris is more memorable

[wild wind]

But also Vox doesn't have any followup as part of the main story

[hearty pendant]

heart of deimos is big but isolated
its plot points wouldn't be picked back up until way later

[opal hound]

a

[steep totem]

It was (one of) my first tastes of the CINEMATIC QUESTS
And I have to say, it was the final cincher for getting me back into Warframe

[wild wind]

Yeah the musical intro goes really hard

[steep totem]

Otherwise, I might have just stayed in Duviri lol

Wasn't even that
Because I had the sound off for that part
But it did look cool

It was the rest of the quest that did it

and then I found We All Lift Together

[analog drift]

who is the fastest warframe? I need to know ;3;

[chilly pine]

volt or gauss, tho uriel and titania can also go way to fast for most missions

[hearty pendant]

titania holds top speed afaik

[analog drift]

are any of those faster than the bike?

[chilly pine]

i think all 4 can pretty easily outspeed the atomicycle

[analog drift]

hmmmm

[flat tree]

What is really the point of the atomicycle outside of being a way better K drive

[hearty pendant]

funny 4th ability

[balmy storm]

Titania is the fastest frame gameplay-wise
Volt, Grendel, Uriel and Wukong are also very fast
Gauss is the fastest lore-wise
Afaik

[chilly pine]

uriel maybe not without some investment, but gauss volt and titania can easily keep up at a minimum

[balmy storm]

Actually lore-wise the twins could maybe be the new fastest, if their trailer is canon

[chilly pine]

id imagine the twins speed is a little exaggerated, but we will have to see ig

[balmy storm]

I think them breaking Uranus might be more canon than we think, if nothing else
Oh and
Them killing third orb lol

[hearty pendant]

sidenote doesn't the third orb look a little like stalker's helmet in one of the scenes

[balmy storm]

Oop

I’m very curious to find out what happened to make them come back
Like
Did he just disappear?
Was he killed?
Do they know?
could my silly little theory be real?

[analog drift]

how can i make this better?

i was thinking about adding merciless gunfight

gotta add forma to it though...

[chilly pine]

biggest issue i see if you need to add more forma to it yeah.

[analog drift]

if i hypothetically did have forma, what would i add to it?

[chilly pine]

i would forma the slots for galv diffusion and primed target cracker, those go up to 14 which would save you 7 cap at max rank

[balmy storm]

I’d maybe go for flare and get some heat damage in there, wouldn’t hurt to have viral or corrosive either, you could use nourish if you don’t want to mod on the viral though

[undone lodge]

Micromissiles

[analog drift]

i'm in.

[analog drift]

do the regulators automatically go for headshots?

also how's this look?

[hearty pendant]

center-mass iirc

[analog drift]

ah

[solid otter]

What do we think of the spider tower

[analog drift]

where'd you get those

[hearty pendant]

mask of the revenant be upon ye
spider tower is cool, better than what i was doing lmao

[solid otter]

Grinding profit-taker lol

[analog drift]

ah.

[solid otter]

Mine is bugged im p sure 💔

[analog drift]

wish i knew how to summon it

[cerulean kiln]

Looks like a certain Mumur unit

[solid otter]

You gotta get r5 fortuna for it

[analog drift]

Man i cant do that

[cerulean kiln]

You can

[analog drift]

highest level bounty only gives 5000 and nobody will join me

[solid otter]

Not for fortuna

[analog drift]

yeah for fortuna

[solid otter]

You get. Tokens? Chips?

[analog drift]

Bonds?

[solid otter]

You get them too in the reward pool

And you can trade them in for standing too

[analog drift]

but they dont offer a lot of standing

[cerulean kiln]

Better than no standing

[solid otter]

Also id check what server you're connected to

[analog drift]

i connect to the busiest ones

[solid otter]

Mm, wrong one. General server

[cerulean kiln]

You connected to NA?

[solid otter]

As in. Which group warframe will find those smaller servers for

Ye what nemesis said

North America has the highest player count outside China from memory

[cerulean kiln]

I wonder how active the OCE server is

[analog drift]

oh... Huh?

[analog drift]

NA yeah

[cerulean kiln]

You probably just didn't find a squad at that specific time

[analog drift]

i've tried lots of different times in various parts of the day

morning, afternoon, night, and 3am

i get barely 1 guy who's severely underleveled

[cerulean kiln]

Weird

You'll usually find someone eventually

[analog drift]

maybe it's bad luck

[analog drift]

not before the standing reset usually

[cerulean kiln]

Most don't do it for standing anyway

[analog drift]

then what should i do for standing?

[steep totem]

A standing trick I used frequently
Turning in Goblite
It's an uncommon gem, so it's fairly common
And it's 200 standing a pop

[solid otter]

You can use the lfg groups here iirc

[cerulean kiln]

I do hunting for standing

[solid otter]

Ohh.. good idea...

[steep totem]

Ye

[cerulean kiln]

Basically any activity can give you standing

[analog drift]

is that the best way?

[analog drift]

or is this?

[steep totem]

I'd do a mix of both
Variety to stave off boredom

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[steep totem]

And if you're not lucky in your Debtbond drops from bounties,
Ticker can be your best friend

[flat tree]

I wonder how censored 1999 is in the Chinese version?

[finite bough]

I'm not sure if this would be the best place to ask, but for farming maphica do I run descendia for it and if I am lucky some weeks may have a treasure room that will make it easier?

[cerulean kiln]

I could ask in the OA server there are Chinese people there

[analog drift]

is there a way i can look for players to play conclave just so that i can get my standing up? Also which gamemode is best for conclave standing?

[twin citrus]

I just watched the trailer

[analog drift]

before you ask, i wanna get conclave standing for cosmetics mostly. Plus it's the last standing thing i need to do today

[cerulean kiln]

Act like Conclave isn't real like the rest of us

[analog drift]

but i have to see it as real

otherwise i cant get da cool drip

besides i already ranked up like 1 or 2 times i think

so it's possible

[stoic nymph]

What cosmetics can you get from it?

[analog drift]

lemmie get em rq

[twin citrus]

I wouldn't touch Conclave with a 10 inch pole

[cerulean kiln]

You can get conclave standing without doing Conclave

[analog drift]

explaaaain

[cerulean kiln]

Unlock 1999

[analog drift]

uh-huh?

[cerulean kiln]

PVPVE

[analog drift]

dude that's conclave.

[cerulean kiln]

No it’s not

[hallow hemlock]

Conclave is just pvp

[analog drift]

you still have to compete against players which is what conclave is

[hallow hemlock]

You don't actually fight them. It's a race

[analog drift]

I've played that mode and yes, it's just a different conclave gamemode

[analog drift]

yeah that's still competing

[hallow hemlock]

For pizza

[cerulean kiln]

You compete against players without ever meeting the other players it's still doing PVE

[analog drift]

besides that's what i've been doing

[analog drift]

But it's still competing against players which is stressful and still unfair at times. It's the same issue as a regular pvp match

[cerulean kiln]

It's still the alternative

[analog drift]

it's still stressful and unfair

[cerulean kiln]

A better Alternative to conclave

[analog drift]

not by much

[cerulean kiln]

Not by much is better than not at all

[analog drift]

honestly there's hardly a difference. You will be screwed either way

[cerulean kiln]

You actually have a chance at winning it in 1999

[analog drift]

you're telling me you dont win your conclave matches?

[cerulean kiln]

Conclave as a game mode isn't suited for current era Warframe

It was made before bullet jumping was a thing

[analog drift]

i can admit conclave is a broken unbalanced mess with no playtesting, thinking, or recent updates but the 1999 conclave mode does not fair any better. It's just as broken as the other conclave matches with the same results

[cerulean kiln]

PVPVE is still better than Convlave

[visual birch]

Maybe if they made abilities not get nerfed itd be better

[analog drift]

it is really not because the PVP part is still awful

lets stop arguing about this please

[visual birch]

https://tenor.com/view/yujiro-hanma-baki-gif-27411323

[analog drift]

i wont agree with you and you'll be constantly trying to change my mind when i've already made up my mind

[visual birch]

This guy understands me

[analog drift]

my thoughts on it are firm, end of story

[cerulean kiln]

Maybe if they made it non-Warframe it'd be better

[visual birch]

Sonion what would that even be

[analog drift]

Grineer pvp would be cool

[visual birch]

Some child soldiers throwing hands 😭
#bringbackvoidblast

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter PVP

[visual birch]

Lol no we need operator pvp

[cerulean kiln]

Children playground pvp

[visual birch]

Drifter pvp would make sense with how teshin is in duviri now

Plus it could actually work

[hearty pendant]

isn't that just lunaro

[visual birch]

But I do like the idea of warframes fighting but it just might not be possible to balance them

[flat tree]

Han Solo battlefront 2

[analog drift]

@stoic nymph there's plenty more

[jagged saffron]

Hello

[timid remnant]

You can get the riv-elite set with platinum, as well.

[jagged saffron]

How we doing

[timid remnant]

Salutations

[visual birch]

Conclave could honestly be fixed with better balancing but it wouldnt fix the fact that its just not fun like that

[cerulean kiln]

Sure when they enable beating each other up when angry and add Red and Yellow Card penalty

[analog drift]

about my question from earlier, is there a way i can find players faster?

[cerulean kiln]

No

[analog drift]

really? I cant just ask anybody here to join me?

[cerulean kiln]

Most Warframe players ignore Conclave like its the plague

[analog drift]

well... Obviously not you. I know how much you hate that mode

[thick jolt]

Unless i am mistaken the enrgy bits only keep active as long as you keep doing the conclave weeklies, so this one isnt as cool as the image

[cerulean kiln]

It's not just me it's legit 99% of Warframe players

[analog drift]

if someone were to join me, we dont have to play too competitively. It'll be chill, since i wont be trying too hard. We both would get standing, then we'd both get cool drip

[analog drift]

i see. Shame. But there's still the other stuff though!

[mental rapids]

I reset Roathe, but I only got the 21 runs done afterwards and now I'm left without the reset dialogue. Is there any way to refresh a conversation once it's begun (I haven't yet replied) or am I stuck for the next month?

[analog drift]

I want the sigils and armor bits

[jagged saffron]

Anyone have sevagoth prime chassis and system for me

[thick jolt]

Yup just thought it would be good to warn about that one in particular because i have seen others be disappointed by it

[analog drift]

i see

[analog drift]

tbh i dont really like backpack cosmetics so it's not a huge deal for me. I basically never wear a backpack cosmetic cuz it covers the best part

[thick jolt]

Fair

[jagged saffron]

I don't have any plat

Pls help

[thick jolt]

Honestly no clue about that one

Only reset i know of is the monthly optional one

[mental rapids]

I've tried relogging, but that doesn't seem to help

So it only checks once

[thick jolt]

Maybe the dialogue is settled once you open it

[mental rapids]

Probably

[analog drift]

i dont have those parts but i can teach you how to trade

[jagged saffron]

Yes pls

[analog drift]

wanna vc?

[jagged saffron]

??

Sorry I don't understand

[analog drift]

voice chat. Ya know, call? So i can explain it?

[jagged saffron]

Oohh

[analog drift]

on discord specifically

[jagged saffron]

How do I do that

[analog drift]

simple, i can do that for you

[jagged saffron]

Thank you

[analog drift]

check your dms

[fiery coyote]

Da baby

[analog drift]

can someone join me in the 1999 conclave lobby? I need to get my standing up for the conclave and cant do that if i cant get one person to join

what are some good nuking frames?

[warm scarab]

Sev

[analog drift]

anybody else?

[uncut solar]

ask yourself what counts as nuking

so a good list would be given

bc usually nuking means pure ability dmg, and its not always the only option to nuke with. ppl also usually dont count exalted weapons

[potent crown]

Nova, Saryn, Nokko, Uriel, uhhhh Follie can do it pretty well too

[supple dagger]

every time lettie says "You. Me. Tonight." i think "You, me, gas station."

[potent crown]

Nezha also has good nuke builds

Dante with Final Verse

[zenith jacinth]

Nuke generally refers to clearing out large rooms within a few casts

[potent crown]

Thermal Sunder Gauss builds too

Lavos with his 4

I've seen a dumb Gyre ball nuke build with her 2 but don't quote me on that lol. I have no idea how it works

[zenith jacinth]

Gyre is terrifyingly effective in truth

[potent crown]

I love Gyre

[zenith jacinth]

People underestimate her

And DE forgets her but yk

[analog drift]

uh.... i dunno...

[potent crown]

I typically just pop her 3 and 4 and run around red critting everything with my burston incarnon

[analog drift]

I just wanna kill a crowd of enemies in a wide radius

[potent crown]

A lot of frames can do that...

[analog drift]

name me all of the female ones

[potent crown]

Hildryn

Nova

Saryn

Start with those I guess

[zenith jacinth]

Those generally have less nukers

They should drink more cola

[analog drift]

i mean he said a lot, i figured i could afford to be picky

[analog drift]

i see i see

also can anybody join me in the 1999 conclave stuff please?? ;U;

i'll let you win

[zenith jacinth]

no one plays any of the conclave stuff tbh

I'm gonna check the frame list and list all the fem nukes rq

koumei, ember, equinox, garuda, gyre, mirage, octavia, oraxia, saryn, voruna, wisp

low effort nukes

[analog drift]

i know that, hence why the servers are dead. But there's a lot of neat stuff i wanna get that i can only get through conclave, so i wanna do it. Problem is, i cant do it alone

[zenith jacinth]

what stuff is there even in conclave

like, stuff that isn't exclusive to conclave

[analog drift]

if you ignore the conclave mods, then there's quite a few cosmetic stuff. And i suppose maybe some minor mods that arent exclusive to conclave. Lemmie fetch some examples

[analog drift]

there's a LOT more

[zenith jacinth]

the syandana looks worse in practice bc there's no way to get the weekly challenges for conclave done each week

[analog drift]

yes i'm aware, but there's plenty other stuff

[zenith jacinth]

the skins are meh, don't remember the last time I used a sigil, armor is neat but eh

[balmy badger]

I love the skins. They pair perfectly with Voidshell skins.

[analog drift]

but what about the armor? Keep in mind, this is all basically free

[warm scarab]

Gas station sushi

[zenith jacinth]

already mentioned

[analog drift]

oh whoops

[analog drift]

still though, not platinum required

[zenith jacinth]

also keep in mind that it's still locked by the daily standing cap

[analog drift]

which isnt that bad

[zenith jacinth]

there's just too much trouble to make it worth for some replacable armor

and stuff not worth naming

[analog drift]

what "trouble"?

[zenith jacinth]

I sound like a miserable person to be around

[zenith jacinth]

conclave's entire thing

[analog drift]

it's not that bad

[analog drift]

is there any warframes you care about? Such as Chroma, frost, rhino, Mesa, Ivara, Mirage, Excalibur, Ember, Volt, Atlas, or Nyx?

[zenith jacinth]

chroma was my first prime but he severely needs a full rework

aside from him, grendel

[analog drift]

idk if this is any good

[analog drift]

oh there's one for loki too

[zenith jacinth]

suda sells it too

but honestly nothing can save chroma as he is currently, he's a relic

[analog drift]

well there IS something i can get out of this conclave stuff. It's a shit load of platinum

this mod can be purchased in the conclave. Idk where else to get it

there's also many other mods in here that give lots of platinum

i got a free rumbled from the rank up, but lemmie check how much standing it costs

[steep totem]

Nightwave

[analog drift]

is it available in the nightwave rn?

[zenith jacinth]

no but it's there fairly often

wait why do I say no I haven't played this week

am I stupid

[steep totem]

I'm not sure if it's there rn
But it was last week, pretty sure

[zenith jacinth]

yes, next question

[analog drift]

well i think it's worth it for me. I already leveled up my standing for conclave and can reliably get it, without spending nightwave credits or waiting for it to roll around every week

that way i can save nightwave credits for important stuff like orokin reactors/catalysts, nitain extract, MAYBE a free cosmetic, maybe a different mod

[steep totem]

You were correct, actually
Rumbled is not in this week's cred offerings

Singularity is, but not Rumbled

[zenith jacinth]

nah I wasn't right, just lucky

[analog drift]

ever since i posted that screenshot of rumbled, it has gone down from 35 plat to 10.

Some guy got 2 of them and had one listing for 24, and another for 15, and then another guy came in with 10

are market gremlins just watching the chat to see what they're gonna sell next???

and why go from 35 to 24 plat without even having anything in between? That's just heavily underselling the item resulting in less platinum

[analog drift]

What is your goal???

[zenith jacinth]

I think you just changed your filters or smth

90% of mods go for 20 plat on average

[analog drift]

i always sort by cheapest

if i was a buyer, i'd want the cheapest thing

[analog drift]

what IS this? What's it for?

[bitter cradle]

its how you interact with protoframes, learn their lore and stuff

[night grail]

Its a POM-2 computer

[analog drift]

is that important for anything?

[bitter cradle]

You can use it to learn what they like / dont like and if you talk to them in ways that they like you can gain relationship standing and start dating one

[flat tree]

It allows you to unlock the true ending of The Hex by getting them all to a moderate amount of friendship

[analog drift]

true ending? there's a bad one?

[analog drift]

DATE!?!?!?

[flat tree]

You got SHOT 😭

[solid otter]

Did you not just see Aoi's brain explode lol

[analog drift]

i mean i suppose yeah

[flat tree]

-# suppose

[solid otter]

So theres an ending where you don't get shot by the old gay guy

[analog drift]

yeah that was messed up

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mask-shot-drama-dead-dying-gif-16503701

[analog drift]

how are you allowed to say that

[bitter cradle]

I mean im pretty sure albrecht just is so it's straight factual ig

[flat tree]

gays like a regular word

[solid otter]

Because its true 😭

[flat tree]

Doomed old man yaoi

[solid otter]

Albrecht and Loid are lovers lol

[analog drift]

yeah it's just... I usually hear it as like a slur

[solid otter]

They're gay as shit

[analog drift]

now why is THAT word allowed???

[analog drift]

WHA-

[bitter cradle]

Im pretty sure Reb has said Yaoi on stream before lmfao

[wild wind]

Yaoi is even less weird than gay in nerd circles tbh

[analog drift]

You can say shit???

[solid otter]

Bara is superior but thats besides the point

[analog drift]

wtf are you allowed to say in this server?!

[bitter cradle]

Ragebait or what lmfao

[solid otter]

Whatever the game says + some exceptions

[wild wind]

Worse, they've talked about the Warframe omegaverse on stream

[solid otter]

THEY DID

[wild wind]

[analog drift]

i thought i heard them say the F word

[solid otter]

Mightve heard Mother go to say it

[flat tree]

-# piss warm comfort

[analog drift]

whar?

[solid otter]

Kaya said it once too but it was nuked

[analog drift]

oh and they said that in the game??

[wild wind]

Also Pablo said that raids are AIDS which is way worse and way funnier

[solid otter]

"oh, oh, oh fu-"
– Mother Entrati

[analog drift]

the rules seem very inconsistent. That or the F word is just the only banned word

[potent crown]

excuse me WHAT

[flat tree]

"thirst for that piss-warm comfort of being told what to think"

[analog drift]

that along with the N word and the OTHER F word

[flat tree]

Mucking hell

[bitter cradle]

They really dgaf as long as we're not using words as slurs from what i've gathered

[analog drift]

This is ducking insane!

[solid otter]

I mean. Those are slurs and very rarely used in normal context

[potent crown]

BACK IT UP A BIT WHAT'S UP WITH WARFRAME OMEGAVERSE

[flat tree]

what were we talking about again?

[wild wind]

It was actually the funniest thing, Megan and Rebb were hassling Steve about getting an AO3 account and he dropped that line and used their screaming to change the subject

[analog drift]

i hear the other F word used a lot. And i use the first F word all the time

it's a sentence enhancer

[potent crown]

I mean male sentients can get pregnant so it's...unironically feasible? I GUESS????

[solid otter]

Hes. Not missing out on not having an account i assure you

Ao3 is RANCID

[analog drift]

seriously every time i hear anything about pregnancy it's just wild. Utterly bedazzling

[potent crown]

Hunhow is an omega confirmed

[wild wind]

(the fact that Steve knows about the omegaverse tells me he already is on there lol)

[bitter cradle]

Maybe we'll get our second warframe pregnancy quick time rythm game event

[solid otter]

Being used a lot doesn't mean its okay. The bad word for gay is seen as derogatory and bigoted, so its not allowed, the word gay itself isnt

[analog drift]

what does bigoted mean? Sounds like a silly word

[bitter cradle]

It means not liking something or someone because of a trait or appearance thing they have

[analog drift]

and besides my buddies say it to each other all the time. Even to our gay friends

[solid otter]

Nah the omegaverse is a pretty well known thing
-# imagine my surprise when I learned one of my old carers knew the term

[steep totem]

Some of it is decent
You just
Gotta know what filters to use

[analog drift]

besides it's still offensive to say GAY as if it were a slur or to describe something abd

[bitter cradle]

Yeah but if that happens just report the asshole who says it and move on

[solid otter]

Xata..

[analog drift]

nooo dont report meee

[flat tree]

-# weren't we talking about the POM-2 😭

[bitter cradle]

yeah but someone called albrecht gay lol

[solid otter]

That. Still doesn't mean its okay

Calling Albrecht the "gay old man" isn't using gay as an insult, its genuinely just what he is

[steep totem]

Ye
It's an accurate enough descriptor

[flat tree]

do they still have any questions 🥀

[potent crown]

Loid is gay, isn't Albrecht bi

[analog drift]

i mean maybe not okay to you

[potent crown]

he had a wife and kids

[solid otter]

It was a forced marriage

[steep totem]

First marriage wasn't entirely consensual

[solid otter]

Done purely to have an ideal child

[analog drift]

we're still gonna do it in our friendgroup, it's not like we're gonna stop

[solid otter]

Gerivaine is dead

[wild wind]

Though apparently Albrecht might have a bunch of other kids

[bitter cradle]

Yeah but thats a friendgroup so its assumed everyone in it is cool with it

[wild wind]

Which is still funny to me

[steep totem]

Yo Joe?
You got a source for that?

[solid otter]

Which i do doubt, even while rebb hinted at me for it

[potent crown]

I'm still not entirely clear on the whole Entrati family dynamic

like when Roathe pointed out Grandmother's name was Dagath I was like. wait. WHAT

[solid otter]

Me

Im the source

[potent crown]

is there like an in game codex or lore entry with all that

[wild wind]

There's a KIM line about Albrecht's children, plural

[solid otter]

Im dead serious

[analog drift]

ye

[bitter cradle]

Dagaths hollow has more lore about this

[steep totem]

https://tenor.com/view/kramer-seinfeld-made-up-cosmo-kramer-lies-gif-183453830230150828

[wild wind]

Haha, go to Dagath's Hollow in your dojo

[night grail]

No its true

[solid otter]

Two. Two lines, one being a possible typo

[night grail]

"You mean his flock?"

[solid otter]

I met rebb lol

[steep totem]

Hmm
So where's the other child(ren)?

[solid otter]

The way this cursed me for several days

[solid otter]

Dead, Rebecca suggested to me

[wild wind]

Dead probably

We did get most of the Orokin

[solid otter]

"Who knows, they might be dead!"

Rebecca.

[wild wind]

(The fact that more keep cropping up is a bad thing overall)

[steep totem]

Okay, fine
Where were the other children?

[night grail]

Atp not even be most anymore because another pops up every couple of years

[solid otter]

We don't know

Rebb wanted me to think they're dead, I don't think theyre alive

I dont think they exist

[night grail]

Not dad's favorite so they were in the cellar idk

[wild wind]

Tbf we went from having none to one, then one to six

[solid otter]

I feel as if they would've mentioned Euleria having several dead siblings

[hearty pendant]

i mean
its like 8? that are still alive
out of probably thousands at least

[wild wind]

If we take the Entrati family out of the picture we're down to two actual survivors

Ballas and Roathe

[steep totem]

Then seven
Then eight

[solid otter]

One because of an entrati

[hearty pendant]

and roathe didn't even escape the drums, he just Wasn't There

[wild wind]

And Roathe spends most of his time in 1899 so isn't an issue

[potent crown]

Grineer queens too

[flat tree]

Ah 😔
it doesn't seem the tweet the writer had about Albrecht and Loid is still up
https://x.com/finlaena/status/1816103141768646941

[steep totem]

Does Roathe even count?
He wasn't there for the Naga Drums because he got kidnapped through time travel

[wild wind]

I count them as Grineer now, tbh

[night grail]

Hes alive still so

[hearty pendant]

ballas wasn't a target, so he technically didn't escape, either

[wild wind]

He counts, the Entrati family were the same

[solid otter]

Proof btw

[steep totem]

Kullervo might say otherwise...

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/obadserbwarrior-obad-warframe-obad-serb-warrior-passworddevil-gif-377485065281610657

[solid otter]

WHAT

[flat tree]

ITS NOT THERE

[potent crown]

what tweet

[solid otter]

NO THATS EVIL

EVIL EVIL EVIL

[steep totem]

Eh, alright

[solid otter]

WAYBACK

[potent crown]

I feel like if we count the entratis we should also count grineer queens

[hearty pendant]

kullervo took his shot during the drums but was not officially part of it tbf

[solid otter]

USE THE WAYBACK

[steep totem]

Just don't try to marry King Tut

[solid otter]

Such a pointless tweet to delete 😭

[potent crown]

what was the tweet supposed to be

[flat tree]

IT WORKS!!!!

[solid otter]

There's other points in the game confirming them to be lovers

[flat tree]

Also, to put this to bed: stated by Word of God (aka the lead writer), Loid and Albrecht’s relationship is 100% romantic.

Those at the Narrative Workshop will back me up, but since some people are like “b-b-but they’re friends/master+servant/etc” and get weird about it.

[night grail]

OBADSERBWARRIOR my favorite warframe

[analog drift]

who's albrecht

[solid otter]

The guy who shot you

The gay guy

[flat tree]

The guy who shot amir

[potent crown]

I feel like it would be weirder if they weren't lovers since Loid's whole thing was like a put upon single father forced to take care of a bunch of dying kids that he never even wanted in the first place lol

[wild wind]

Blame tenor for accepting shite personalized gifs

[solid otter]

Loid did this with Euleria too it seems lol

[analog drift]

this seems pretty silly and unnecessary to the story

[night grail]

Hey at least it isnt giphy

[potent crown]

yeah exactly, the whole parental themes with this whole mess wouldn't work if Albrecht and Loid were not a couple

[flat tree]

how??

[solid otter]

Thats

Arguably the most important part of a whole quest

[flat tree]

It is like
very clear they love each other

and the whole point of WITW

[analog drift]

Wdym how? Explain what about the story it affects?

[solid otter]

Wait hold on

[night grail]

Were people actually trying to argue otherwise. My 50 year old father who doesnt critically engage with any media picked up on that be so fr 😭

[solid otter]

It told us that Love affects the indifference strongly

[wild wind]

"Platonic love is love too" --chuds who almost get it while expressing bigotry

[analog drift]

people just be throwing "bigotry" around without knowing what it means

[solid otter]

This is

The worst ive seen

[flat tree]

I asked myself "are they gay?" After doing whispers in the wall

Literally the first question

[analog drift]

geez i feel like i'm in reddit

[solid otter]

I knew immediately idk how folk got

loid being his son from

[wild wind]

You.... Do know what I'm referencing, right?

[analog drift]

i meant how does that affect the story

[night grail]

Warframe, despite the set dressing, is a very human story. Love and identity are at its forefront. And one of the most universal experiences, is love

[potent crown]

but this is a specific case where "platonic love" wouldn't even make sense
since Loid is explicitly a parental figure to Albrecht's kids, both biological and like...whatever the cavia are

[analog drift]

nah

[wild wind]

Yep

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[potent crown]

the whole theme here is they're a messed up family, and albrecht being shit at loving his family is a source of the mess

[solid otter]

It. Motivates the player character to gaf about these two characters, to see theor love though, it finishes off the end of WITW, compassion is important i can go on

[night grail]

These don't even read as like, chuds to me. They just read as people being stupid

[wild wind]

Though tbf you can totally have non-romantic partners who nevertheless raise kids together

[potent crown]

if loid wasn't a stepdad to albrecht's kids after his wife died he wouldn't be like. you know. family

[wild wind]

It's my favorite part of the new DnD movie even

[solid otter]

Albrecht does love his family, he just sucks at expressing it

[analog drift]

I did not care for them at all. I actually really dont like loid specifically

[night grail]

It wasn't even a question for me it was "ohh these guys are gay as hell thats cool"

[wild wind]

But that's not what's going on with Albrecht and Loid, so.

[solid otter]

"But hes the butler its his job!!!" As if helping Albrecht's daughter grive is a butler thing to do

[analog drift]

it basically did nothing to help me sympathize with these characters

[analog drift]

i mean it is but yeah

[potent crown]

you don't have to like the characters to recognize the nature of their relationship is an important plot point

[solid otter]

Just because it didnt for you, doesn't mean its not for everyone else

[analog drift]

i just dont see how

[solid otter]

And. You're ignoring the other parts of it being used as a way to expand the narrative

[potent crown]

scroll up we all explained how them being a couple is an important aspect to the entratis whole family drama plotline. ie if they weren't, it wouldn't be in the family

[analog drift]

i dont hear people gushing about these characters. They mostly talk about the warframes

[solid otter]

Not. Particularly. Especially considering Loid wasn't originally a butler at all

[solid otter]

You haven't talked to me enough to see it.

[tame canopy]

Nani their relationship is important to the whole whisper in the wall and stuff lol

[potent crown]

I don't particularly care for the entratis family drama either but as I said, I recognize that it's still a family drama

[night grail]

He's a but of an ass when you first meet him but like, he's like still freshly feeling everything he was in cryo. That's kind of the point? He has an epiphany seeing the vessels recreate their gesture and is still abrasive but like, he does get better

[solid otter]

Woe

[potent crown]

I found loid kinda annoying but that's because I generally dislike "pining after their shitty ex" characters lmao

[analog drift]

i think ima get out of this before i start another argument... I dont really see eye to eye on this one.

[potent crown]

like his character design though

[solid otter]

Loid isnt even pining 98% of the time, most of the time he wants to rip Albrecht's head off 😭

[wild wind]

Loid being a prick is the entire point, it's like Eudico being a sad sack during Vox Solaris

[potent crown]

you don't often see like...older twink gay type characters in fiction

[night grail]

Well are you in actual lore circles or powerscaling or just numbers people

[analog drift]

i wanna say somethin about this but i just... Dont wanna bother

[solid otter]

Even rarer do you see masc gays like Albrecht lol

Did you notice Albrecht wears eyeliner

[night grail]

Genuinely really good moment. I love the subversion of the expectation of violence

[solid otter]

And has docs

[analog drift]

both

[wild wind]

Also you know Albrecht power bottoms

[night grail]

I gave 3 options wdym both

[solid otter]

Nah hes too pathetic to be a power bottom

[potent crown]

I chalk that up to being orokin rather than gay. ballas is straight and still looks weird

[analog drift]

oh sorry didnt see that, then just numbers and lore. Idk what the powerscaling thing is about

[night grail]

Powerscalers would never talk about actual characters and numbers gameplay people would never mention characters outside of them being a vendor

[solid otter]

True but its still funny lol

He also has ear piercings

[flat tree]

Have you ever talked to Varzia @analog drift ?

[analog drift]

I have a hard time with names. Who?

[solid otter]

Idk if its just an aussie thing but doc Martins are. Inexplicably woven with queer folk, at least here

[potent crown]

every time I go hand in voca or play the arcane gacha he goes my albrecht this and my albrecht that. bro move on

[solid otter]

Tbf a lot of them are repeating lines

Some of them are funny! "We've accumulated a bewildering quantity of... stuff."

[analog drift]

tbh i wish there were more friendships in media. You dont see a lot of that these days

[night grail]

The circles I'm in talk about the characters more than the warframes so idk what to tell you

[solid otter]

You

You do. A lot. Arguably its more often than romance.

[night grail]

Yes you do!!! Literally the old peace 😭 hell, the hex also.

[analog drift]

idk what to tell you either because the circles i'm in talk about warframes

[solid otter]

Because [shocker] there's still friends besides the romance partner

[hearty pendant]

one/two out of five/eight

[flat tree]

Prime relics girl on Maroo's Bazaar

[analog drift]

dont you date a lot of the people in the hex?

[tame canopy]

even if loid and albretch relationship is nothing but fluff lore drop (which it isnt) adding complicated queer relationships is valid ❤️ albretch and loid arent the only ones either, ppp said varzia and maroo but eudico and lil duck also got dialogue implying relationship in star days event

[solid otter]

One lol

[analog drift]

it feels like more romance than friendships

[obtuse gyro]

🍿

[solid otter]

You can only date one hex, and its optional

[night grail]

Wait I'm not aware of the last one

[hearty pendant]

you can date any one of the hex
nor is it mandatory

[analog drift]

but you can date ANY of them

[tame canopy]

Check tickers dialogue on star days

[solid otter]

Albrecht being the way he is, is so real and people would jump me for saying I relate to him lol

[solid otter]

Yeah and

[tame canopy]

He mentioned eudico and lil duck going out on a private trip during star days

[potent crown]

that's fair lol

[solid otter]

Oh isnt tbat

[night grail]

Yeah albrecht chose 6 pansexuals for his serum what about it

[solid otter]

Biz?

[hearty pendant]

"Spotted Biz and Little Duck boarding her rail tractor, bound for parts unknown. I guess they celebrate today in their own way. Lots of history those two. They'll work it out."'
also she*

[analog drift]

what about her?

[flat tree]

idle dialogue

[solid otter]

She also likes women lol

[analog drift]

i'm not gonna try to convince you of anything because you are kinda hard to talk to

[obtuse gyro]

Thomas youre secretly Kujo Jotaro??

[solid otter]

Ticker is a trans woman too

[solid otter]

I WISH, gender goals..

[obtuse gyro]

eat whey and get pricked by a golden arrow ezpz

[analog drift]

i thought one of the characters looked like him

[night grail]

Jotaro always did suck at showing people he cared. But you could still tell he did (affectionate)

[analog drift]

ye?

[potent crown]

you relate to a guy who's an awful dad and awful spouse who stole a finger from an eldritch god?

[obtuse gyro]

That would be Albrecht Entrati

[wild wind]

Fwiw uhhhhh it's not Little Duck and Eudico

[analog drift]

yeah that guy

[wild wind]

It's Little Duck and The Business