spoiler-chat

[solid otter]

Close enough

We're bigger than deimos iirc

[uncut solar]

Ohh i get it

It's about the hypocrisy

[tame canopy]

Australia got crazy wildlife so it checks out

[solid otter]

Had to use another example that wasn't doom lol

[warm scarab]

they got eidolons in Australia it just doesnt make the news

[solid otter]

Yeah

[thick jolt]

Now i wanna determine what in deimos is as dumb as koalas

[solid otter]

Can confirm

[solid otter]

The. Big flying bug guys you can use as a kdrive

[warm scarab]

loid

[solid otter]

Survival instincts of a shoe

[thick jolt]

Lol

[solid otter]

Loid is far smarter than the majority of Australia

We are STUPID, chronically so

[warm scarab]

nah the velocipods are manta rays

[warm scarab]

but are you AMERICAN stupid

[hearty pendant]

i was going to say the weird little guys that sit on the roof
because they do just kinda sit around

[solid otter]

American stupid is a whole other thing

That is a seperate beast

Bordering on intellectual delays

[hearty pendant]

bordering is generous

[warm scarab]

the steel path of stupidity

[uncut solar]

I love when videogame developers add a dedicated hellish horrible hell of horribleness area to a game and make it optionally early accessible

[solid otter]

Australian stupid is sitting in a active bushfire

[solid otter]

Same tbh I fw that

[thick jolt]

What i know about australia
Dangerous animals
Koalas are dumb
Try to censor a lot of games
"This is a knoife"
Steve irwin was my childhood
And priscilla queen of the desert

[uncut solar]

I feel like Deimos in WF should be much later in progression but the fact it's here so early makes it fit

[solid otter]

Getting bit by a redback and going she'll be right

[solid otter]

Tbf it was

Collective shout, who had american Christian beliefs

In Australia for some reason

[hearty pendant]

move cambion drift to eris /s

[uncut solar]

Nononono

You are not taking Deimos critters at the point you reach it in the story naturally

No chance

[warm scarab]

do we get an explanation of Zealoid Prelate's flame from Eris bs tho

[uncut solar]

Nightwave

It was a nightwave story

[hearty pendant]

its tied to the emissary nightwave, of which zealoid prelate is the only remnant of

[warm scarab]

yeah no chance you're getting sniped by a carnis and you're not gonna do anything about it

oh nightwave story i see

[hearty pendant]

yea its a bit weird that heart of deimos is so early
and required to be right there. iirc jupiter doesn't unlock until after you've done HoD

[warm scarab]

jupiter intro felt like a big deal but you dont even get alad V lore till that one time he thought he was parvos' son, or was it Nef Anyo

[hearty pendant]

that was nef anyo

[uncut solar]

It was Nef

[warm scarab]

oh i see

[hearty pendant]

most of alad v's storyline is in events that were run once a long time ago

[warm scarab]

so his lore is currently tied to possibly event reruns right now?

[uncut solar]

And his only defining character traits are swapping teams on every opportunity

And having more plot armor than we do

[warm scarab]

and frying sentients

[hearty pendant]

gradivus dilemma > hunt for alad v > zanuka fight > suspicious shipments > breeding grounds > mutalist incursions > patient zero > second dream > shadow debt > hostile mergers > ropalolyst > new war > ??? but still alive
afaik these are the important alad v events
italics are the stuff still in the game

[warm scarab]

wait hes in second dream what did he do there again

[hearty pendant]

-# Lotus: "That's what I was looking for, I can decode the rest of the message. This is bizarre... It's for... me. I need a moment to contact this person. Get to extraction."
-# Lotus: "Hunhow is listening, I will be discreet. The message you uncovered was an offer to help us. I do not trust the person who wrote it, but we are out of options."
-# Alad V: "Hello Tenno! Are you surprised? Why? You know I've always had my ear to the kennel. Those Dogs don't have a clue what kind of bone they've dug up, but I do. Shall I show you? Don't worry, you can trust me... this time."
helps us find the piece of Hunhow that Lotus is looking for, then dips after being threatened

[warm scarab]

oh right he does move like hes desperate to reach quota at times

[hearty pendant]

gets a favor during second dream then immediately uses it in shadow debt so that we'll defend him from stalker's acolytes

[warm scarab]

Oh right that part

[karmic idol]

I just realized

Tenshin Dies in the new war?

I completely forgot about visiting him later, so I dunno if he is truly dead

Or alive by plot

[hearty pendant]

alive, he fell into the void portal n landed in duviri
nursed back to health by mathila

[cobalt scroll]

ok why there less than 2 item compare to last year...?

[sweet ermine]

is the cape part of this too

how does the cape thing they made work

[cobalt scroll]

the cape is last year stuff

[sweet ermine]

ye but they made a new one

[hearty pendant]

it'll be in varzia's shop for regal aya

[cobalt scroll]

that will be for 1 regal aya

[sweet ermine]

oh rlly rip

[cobalt scroll]

but if you buy the above pack you would have enough to buy the cape, plus next year you will get a regal aya version of the Ephemera too, for free

[tame canopy]

Whats baro's relay access? And where are you seeing this tennocon page?

[hearty pendant]

every tennocon, baro has a special relay with everything he sells available
but you have to buy the pack to enter

[tame canopy]

holy crap thats insane, how long does it last?

[tight pagoda]

A week

[tight pagoda]

Decoration was for the 10 year anniversary , and the cape had two variations

[tame canopy]

Damm a whole week of baro, thats incredible
I shall consider the pack

Wonder what Ill buy from that regal aya lol

Eh, I will get there when I get there

[proper valve]

when is the tennocom?

is like this week?

[solid otter]

July 10-11 from memory

[cobalt scroll]

still we missing another stuff, the bandanna

[sweet ermine]

ya prob gona skip

[warm scarab]

am i missing important lore when was vor sent to the void

[hearty pendant]

he got cut in half either during Vor's Prize or the assassination mission later, and he ends up in the void as Corrupted Vor at some point after
i don't think there's anything specific regarding him actually getting there, other than the 'janus key' having something to do with it

[cerulean kiln]

https://youtu.be/N3Yaj86m9vM?si=kuDTg7gGrESn7qzz

Also this is the reason he went https://youtu.be/Uqy441sjlRI?si=gjG3WDfoTCEuG4pj

[warm scarab]

so he was sent to the void to, i think try and grab a warframe?

i guess thats also why theres possessed grineer in the void

[cerulean kiln]

To destroy them before they became a threat instead he disobeyed that order and continued what he was doing

[warm scarab]

ohhh

wait so his supposed target was the defense objectives in the void

[cerulean kiln]

He wasn’t able to be punished for it because he was killed by us then became Corrupted Vor

[warm scarab]

ohhh

[tame canopy]

"What a waste"

[gritty flume]

so i looked at partial warframe release and i think i see the pattern at some point…

first one was a group of 6 protoframes introduced, all of them can be romanced. then a group of 4 protoframes, none of them can be romanced…

and then a group of 3 protoframes, all of them can be romanced, and now the upcoming one, 2 protoframes and none of them can be romanced (cmiiw)

[celest hollow]

so now 1.5 romanceable protoframes and 1 unromanceable one?

interesting, very interesting

[warm scarab]

whos the 4 protoframes

[cerulean kiln]

Technically it isn’t 4 Protoframes

[snow ice]

Frost, Saryn, Nova, Temple?

[warm scarab]

ohhh

[cerulean kiln]

Its 4 and a half

[worn wagon]

In the old peace quest at the graduation scene, you can't change my mind that this isn't some kind of marriage ceremony

[cerulean kiln]

But we’re told exactly what it is

[zenith jacinth]

The guitar doesn't count

[gritty flume]

well the guitar is part of temple innit so...

[gritty flume]

uuhhh

anyway idk why i'm kinda worried DE will introduce one protoframe at a time some day

instead of, well... more than one, or two

[tight pagoda]

They probably will

Protoframes are a lot of work

[floral hawk]

not having them immediately flood the game at the expense of quality (and instead make them a big one done deal thing like the Heirlooms) would be awesome

[gritty flume]

imma try to understand this i suppose

[solid otter]

I just don't really want more protos

They need explanations, and it gets to a point

Its already gotten to that point the triad

I love you lyon but christ you are a nothingburger compared to any one of the hex

[floral hawk]

this is true 😭

his one redeeming quality is the secret interdimensional harrow groupchat

[solid otter]

Genuinely!

Marie is failed potential

Roathe is

Creepy. Idk i don't like him commenting on the other triad romances, feels gross

Vague sexual harassment

[cerulean kiln]

Ranking up to find out his shop has some very useless items

[zenith jacinth]

Lies, decorations are always useful

Them rotating is dumb tho

[floral hawk]

like three chairs and two sticks what the hell

i expected harrow shrine materials or at least selling whatever's in the church

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[solid otter]

Hey those sticks can be useful.

For. Something

[tight pagoda]

Not even Xenoflora (that's for plat)

[cerulean kiln]

Some items just don’t have decorating potential not all though

[gray orchid]

hopefully they can use this foundational set up and expand on harrow and himself as a character more in future updates!

[floral hawk]

TRUE U ARE SO OPTIMISTIC I NEED HALF YOUR OUTLOOK ON LIFE...

crying screaming clutching my 3 fragments of harrow lore and no skins since forever

[gray orchid]

fingers crossed

[warm scarab]

You clearly need more chassis blueprints

[solid otter]

How do you think i feel with Limbo 😭

Least you got a main quest, limbo just sneezed and exploded

[floral hawk]

OK TRUE

[solid otter]

He has a great deluxe but yk

Can't even say it could be worse, could be garuda but

She has both a deluxe and proto now, and shes gonna get lore

[flat tree]

Is there any more lore for Oraxia besides

someway somehow she served albrecht
he left
neci-wally made her insane

That cannot be it

[lofty girder]

Oraxia is Albrecht's pet spider, when Albrecht skiddaddled, she went hungry, and as we all know. "you're not you when you're hungry" and wally swooped in

[flat tree]

But like

Did they give him Oraxia or did he make her like Concrete Guy

Why a spider out of every thing🥀

[lofty girder]

They probably wanted to give albrecht like, a proper guard, for whatever orokin political shenanigananery. But albrecht has the tism so he picked the spider

[solid otter]

Hes so me..

[lofty girder]

Genuinely, i feel like if we just gave oraxia a snickers bar we wouldn't have to deal with her

Like, every time a new cycle starts the drifter drops off a crate of snickers

[warm scarab]

I wonder if you can helminth a grineer

Wait isnt that just phorid-

[zenith jacinth]

You can helminth anything

[zenith jacinth]

And other chargers

[warm scarab]

But yeah i do wanna see a grineer warframe i really wonder how would that go

[cerulean kiln]

It'd either kill them or you'd just see any old frame and wouldn't know a Grineer was used

[warm scarab]

That or a deformed frame, maybe prime grineer would work

[undone lodge]

The idea of a Grineer warfrane is kinda cool but there isn’t really a reason or justification for one.

Even aside from the Grineer being, well, the Grineer, the Grineer’s gimmicks are either post-Night or generic enough that making it specifically Grineer’d just be weird

[warm scarab]

Post-Night?

[cerulean kiln]

Naga drums

[undone lodge]

Of the Naga Drums

[warm scarab]

Ah, part of a story idk yet

[steep totem]

It'd probably end up as another Revenant situation

[cerulean kiln]

Some have walked these desolate worlds while you have slept. Some like me. I remember what you did. I remember the day.
The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in savior's silk. Then came the sound. Across all our worlds, all at once, the ceremonial Naga drums. A royal salute to the honored Tenno. Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over. I watched from a distance, with the rest of the low Guardians. With each beat terror began to crush my throat. The Tenno were not stoic and silent. They were waiting. They were poised. I tried to call out but only a strangled whisper escaped.

When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.

Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent.

[steep totem]

I'm not opposed to that, but still
Us lore people might have another fit

[warm scarab]

Yeah you right

Even if its somehow grineer themed it would be generic, it probably like having the generic soldier in every hero shooter as a frame

[warped marten]

hahaha not me having the idea of one

[steep totem]

...something I didn't notice before
He watched "with the rest of the Low Guardians"
Maybe Stalker's Acolytes are other Low Guardians

[cerulean kiln]

Could be

But

There's the issue of Lotus saying he found others twisted as himself

[warped marten]

Are these good enough references for designing a grineer inspired warframe?

[steep totem]

True, that is a problem

GIVE US MORE ACOLYTE LORE

[cerulean kiln]

Only way I see it happening is if he forgot about working with them or something

[steep totem]

That may be a possible explanation
He did forget about Jade, after all

Or at least the most critical details

[undone lodge]

I figured they could just have split up after the Collapse and didn’t find eachother until recently

It’s a big system after all, and at the very least Stalker would’ve been dragged away to wherever, then kept busy trying to secure things and figure stuff about Jade

[warm scarab]

Small request can you add Wolf of Saturn Six

[warped marten]

may I ask why?

[warm scarab]

Cool Grineer

Also when i think about grineer i think about walking tanks and hes pretty much that esp when you're underleveled so

[warped marten]

I mean I guess but I'm going more heavy gunner route

[warm scarab]

Would the frame be essentially an artillery tank then? A thumper in warframe form

[warped marten]

not fully sure someone suggested Cloning, Gas mine, Teleporting/Smoke and Summoning a big gun based abilities

[harsh heart]

reminds me how iirc brainwiped grineer were used as the "control node" for necramechs

making them actual grineer warframe

just yk with orokin touch

[harsh heart]

charging own guns with eximus powers

[solid otter]

Wh

Where did that come from

[warped marten]

oh like they can change their gun to have different elemental damage?

[zenith jacinth]

What

[warped marten]

yea where that come from?

[thick jolt]

I expect it came from nowhere

[zenith jacinth]

bro dropped a senator armstrong and just bolted

I hope I can one day make "senator armstrong" a common way to say "completely made up nonsense"

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/source-source-i-made-it-up-my-source-is-that-i-made-it-up-my-source-is-that-i-made-it-the-f-up-darthmufin-gif-26077161

[solid otter]

Erra could totally gank ballas

[zenith jacinth]

gonk?

[solid otter]

Gank

[zenith jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/gonk-gonk-droid-droid-lego-lego-gonk-gif-27366791

[thick jolt]

If he wasnt too dull to think of it

[zenith jacinth]

gonk

[potent zealot]

DE, can we please get old Fortuna back? I miss the bisexual lighting.

[zenith jacinth]

never

you'll have your horrendously ugly red light and you will LIKE it

[warped marten]

Yea I want the purple back

[thick jolt]

The dialogue post loid reunion with the family makes me think we will be getting the post new war treatment to the necralisk in the future

[solid otter]

Roach being there

Thats it

Thats what we're gonna get

[potent zealot]

Since Constellations will be focused on the Vallis, could be a REALLY good opportunity to bring old Fortuna back.

[thick jolt]

Mostly the bit about daughter making a new arm for father

[zenith jacinth]

can I tell kermerros that roach still supports continuity

[solid otter]

Can we tell mother Marie blamed Albrecht not returning on her and her family

[thick jolt]

Like meta wise they talk like new looks are being readyed

[zenith jacinth]

I want to see giant orokin vs superpowered orokin

[solid otter]

Id enjoy it tbh, but I don't think theyd do it

[zenith jacinth]

that too

[solid otter]

Lyon does nothing we can use to set the entrati family on him

[thick jolt]

We didnt think they would permanently alter fortuna and cetus but here we are

[zenith jacinth]

lyon is perfect

[solid otter]

Mainly cuz he does nothing in general but yk

[potent zealot]

I genuinely just want the places to look like they're recovering. It's been almost FIVE YEARS!

Realistically, there would be progress.

[solid otter]

Hasn't been that long in game

[cerulean kiln]

Doesn't mean it has been 5 years in-game

[potent zealot]

True...

[cerulean kiln]

Could've been a few months ago in-game

[potent zealot]

Still though, they could at least have the lighting back to normal

[cerulean kiln]

I think the idea with keeping it that way was showing how impactful it was

[solid otter]

Some scars never heal

Or whatever

[thick jolt]

The lightbulbs would probably just have a "100x debt multiplier" written on their price tag

[potent zealot]

I literally just want fortuna to be purple again dawg

[cerulean kiln]

It was never purple

[potent zealot]

It's been so long I forgot how it looked...

[junior igloo]

It was blue

[cerulean kiln]

You can get it back temporarily

[potent zealot]

Only temporarily tho.

[junior igloo]

I want my blue fortuna man

[potent zealot]

Still, aren't we going to Tau this year?

[warped marten]

ja

...I'm not german I just like saying ja

[zenith jacinth]

I am german

[cerulean kiln]

What does Ja mean?

[warped marten]

yes

[warped marten]

where the hell did you get that info from I even checked the official wiki and there is nothing saying that

[harsh heart]

vague memories about old war i think

entrati father mentioned smth like "yeah we did necramechs to counter your warframes but kinda didnt happen"

scratch that honestly

[warped marten]

they used the necramechs to fight the sentients before warframes when a prototype one got torn apart by a ropolyst they retired the necramechs and deemed them not smart enough to fight the sentients

btw the prototype Necramech that got destroyed was named Tombjockey

[solid otter]

Yeah, lil guy

[warped marten]

"One notable Necramech was the experimental Tombjockey, a squat mech with a low center of gravity, built for endurance. During a test drive into the Lux-Severin Hotzone, the Tombjockey came across a Sentient Ropalolyst, which proceeded to tear the Necramech to pieces."

I'm just imagining it fighting like gimli but with a gun

[vestal dome]

I feel like I remember Tombjockey being mentioned before, but from where?

[warped marten]

Father maybe? he did create the necramechs

[zenith jacinth]

remember, even the "official" wiki can be unreliable

[wild wind]

Rogue Arcocanid
An experimental melee Necramech, a variant on the Tombjockey class, built for Albrecht Entrati by his son-in-law. It now fights alongside the very Murmur foes it was meant to repel.

[solid otter]

OHH THATS WHERE

I figured they looked like what id imagine the tombjockey would

[thick iron]

No way

[solid otter]

I can confirm, its hard to type with them

[wild wind]

God, I knew that wasn't working right

[thick iron]

My voruna will no longer be a puppy we are crepuscular maxxing

It did take them 4 years to fix it but better late than never i suppose

😹 ✌️

[undone lodge]

Never gonna get over the reveal that they already had a whole “fleet” by the time they got cancelled

[balmy badger]

Redtext is a furry confirmed.

[zenith jacinth]

in other news, wukong is op and the water in the plains is not safe for consumption

[hearty pendant]

good news for you
source

[steep totem]

Protoframes with no KIM?
What ever shall we do?!

hehehe
Time to move on to the next phase of the plan:
Protoframes with no story relevance

Then, and only then, shall the gates be opened, and every frame shall have a Gemini skin

[wild wind]

The fun part about thet

Sirius and Orion protoframes

[steep totem]

Of course, with budgets being what they are
The next batches will have to be voiced in-house
No more celebrity actors for them

[hearty pendant]

saying that like half of DE's VAs aren't in-house

[steep totem]

True
But protoframes are entirely celebrity guest stars

[balmy storm]

Oh so
Marie?

[hearty pendant]

the triad if they weren't arbitrarily attached to loid

[steep totem]

Nope
She's still relevant to the story due to having a hub

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-4079785775268000209

[hearty pendant]

neuron activation

[steep totem]

Although perhaps the point would have been clearer had I said "no story presence"

[balmy storm]

I mean the Protoframes will likely always be in a hub
The constellation crew will probably be on Pontis Tower

[steep totem]

You
Missed the point of this entirely

[balmy storm]

My point is the protos will always have some form of relevance lol

[steep totem]

Bah!
You lack vision

[balmy storm]

If one has zero relevance to anything then how they got there would even be a mystery, how they got protoframes, etc etc etc

[tight pagoda]

With no KIM chat I'm hoping the constellation protos at least have some form of character and story besides voice lines. I know you recruit them into your crew and stuff so presumably it's related to that

[balmy storm]

Marie is as irrelevant as we’ve gotten so far

[steep totem]

Descriptions can solve enough of this

[thick jolt]

Maybe scannables on their ships

[steep totem]

Menu descriptions can tell you everything you need to know about them
Just like they do for Deluxe skins

[thick jolt]

They really cant

[steep totem]

Bing bang boom, protoframe budget lowered

[balmy storm]

Protoframes have voicelines

Like that’s a baked in aspect of their design

[steep totem]

Provided by in-house cast

No more need for celebrity voices

[balmy storm]

So what they did for a majority of the game’s history

[tight pagoda]

Warframe isn't as small as it was when they launched and needed a community director to voice one of the main characters

They can afford actual voice talent

[steep totem]

For 60+ individual skins?

[tight pagoda]

I don't think they had any particularly big names since Techrot Encore, though?

[balmy storm]

Not all at once but
Yeah probably lol

[wild wind]

....Roathe?

[steep totem]

Eh, fair ig
If Skylanders can do it, so can Warframe
I was just trying to lower the overall cost of them

[wild wind]

Though keep in mind that DE is first appealing to degenerates the true nerd crowd

[tight pagoda]

Did he really do anything besides Emet Selch? Genuine question I haven't heard of him outside of these two roles

[wild wind]

Also iirc Marie was in Expedition 33

[balmy storm]

I think they have lowered the cost but limiting the protoframes they have in each batch

I think the minimum we can get and should get in the future is 2 unless it’s a special case
Maybe 1 but having 2 leaves room for more history and connections

[steep totem]

I didn't want them to take 20 years to get through the entire roster tho

That was the other point of this scheme

[balmy storm]

I mean I’d rather they take their time, place them properly, not do a triad again lol

It could be that them not doing a KIM convo is to test the waters

[thick jolt]

Actually she was probably still an intern when she started as lotus

[thick jolt]

Yeah please no hamfisted triad again

[steep totem]

And with the scheme, placement would be irrelevant
Because they'd have no presence in the story

No more complaints about hamfisting

[balmy storm]

But they should have presence in the story, it makes no sense to just add characters to add characters lol

[steep totem]

The syndicates suggest otherwise, but sure

[balmy storm]

An aspect of the protoframes is that they’re characters with a place in the world and story, even if relatively minor that is important

[balmy storm]

They literally have a place in the world and story
We have multiple quests about them 😭

It’s also just factually different because these aren’t random vendors being added

These are fully playable characters

[steep totem]

And I just wanted a full roster of Gemini skins
And didn't care for story limitations

People basically treat them like glorified Deluxe skins anyways, so why not?

But fine

[balmy storm]

I’d rather they make sense than be hamfisted in with no other reason than they wanted it
That’s how you get the triad

[balmy storm]

The whole point is that they’re both skins AND defined characters lol

[steep totem]

And I'd rather they make no reason for them to exist than another triad

[tight pagoda]

Because Warframe's narrative is important and adding new characters as glorified skins is very "AAAA gaming"

[balmy storm]

That is literally the worst way to implement a character lol
The Triad were bad because they were both hamfisted in AND had bad writing, I don’t want either of those and by having them be nothing burgers you just get that but worse

Just adding new protos for the sake of adding new protos is not the way to go about it, make them fit within their update and give them a connection to the story in some capacity

Your “solution” ignores what the protoframes are just to opt for giving every frame a proto as fast as possible
Which is not the solution.

[steep totem]

And your solution will take eons to implement
Meaning the frame roster will continue to increase, and any hope of getting protoframes for every frame will be dashed

Might as well just not bother making new protos, and focus on the actual story

And at that rate, why are we even arguing about this anymore?
It's entirely pointless

[balmy storm]

And it will also take eons to make every heirloom but that’s still happening
And every prime
Like this is just another thing they are wanting to do and I’d rather a quality product than a rushed product.

You’re wanting quantity > quality and that’s just not what DE does

[steep totem]

I'd rather have every proto over every Heirloom
I'd also rather every Heirloom gets deleted from the game, but that's another debate entirely

[balmy storm]

[steep totem]

I just wanted to streamline the process so we could get more protoframes out
But I see that no one is actually interested in that
Fine
I've been done with this anyways

[celest hollow]

honk

[night grail]

I might be guilty of the reason why

Im hours late but I know all of them when I see them

Hell, the conduits in the labs use versions of the symbols

Khra lohk xata vome

[celest hollow]

oh yeah?

what does oull look like then

heh

[hearty pendant]

||||

[night grail]

Trick question because it does have a symbol its just not used in the game

In-game the symbol cycles between all of them

[viral bear]

Hey why does has its own poems like holy DE making serious lore

[celest hollow]

100% it has a base a symbol before it switches around

[viral bear]

Is there a correct order for the poem?

[hearty pendant]

most visible when you use it on a lich, iirc

[celest hollow]

a theorized correct way

[viral bear]

A theorized...

[wild wind]

unlock order

[hearty pendant]

the last log in necraloid's room has the full poem in correct order

[celest hollow]

DE doesn't tell us anything so we gotta extrapolate

oh yeah forgot abt that

sorgi, sleeping for a thousand years in a cryopod got my memory hazy and my back hurty

[wild wind]

[hearty pendant]

-# From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name
-# Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame
-# Corporeal laws are unwrit, as suns and love retreat
-# To cosmic madness, laws submit, though stalwart minds entreat
-# In luminous space, blackened stars, they gaze, accuse, deny
-# Roiling, moaning this realm of ours in madness, lost shall die
-# Carrion hordes trill their profane accord with eldritch plans
-# To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began

[celest hollow]

where does oull fit into this?

or is it its own little line

[tight pagoda]

Oull wasn't translated until KIM chats, where it was revealed it means "Possibilities" I think

[hearty pendant]

Oull is excluded for unknown (to me at least) reasons

[celest hollow]

i mean it has a line in its description but ig it doesn't need to fit into the requiem poem

[balmy storm]

Oull came later after the initial update as a QoL

[hearty pendant]

Through endless faces, countless forms, a multitude unfolds.
describes itself but also matches the poem's vibe
probably could fit anywhere between the existing pieces

[balmy storm]

The perfect gameplay and lore item

[viral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/essica-monthly-pig-14th-gif-7425199673253609980

Corgi?

[vestal dome]

Oraxia + Headshot Purgator 1 = Guaranteed One Shots

[gritty flume]

"nor will they have KIM system"

oof

[fading current]

Excited for all of their dialogue when we get them as crew. They both will forever be apart of the Railjack crew (I’m assuming we can get both on there, no restrictions…?)

[night grail]

Probably

I have a feeling they'll be a decent middle ground between minmaxed crew and liches

Hey they might be able to use your weapons unlike liches

[wild wind]

They said they could be given any role

so that's automatically like a billion times better than nemeses

[solid otter]

Oh yeah so like with codas

[fading current]

Oh for sure. Hell yea I’m so excited for June.

[solid otter]

Do they just

Appear

[fading current]

I hope they can use our actual weapons thou. That’d be dope.

[obtuse gyro]

they can

[fading current]

Oh really? Like we can arsenal them up like regular crew?

[solid otter]

Why do they just appear

[obtuse gyro]

no sorry I was hallucinating, still tdb

[solid otter]

What triggers them to appear

Why does Zeke appear to help

Why does he choose to die to a necramech

[hearty pendant]

afaik, the coda use the same triggers as the liches and sisters
you die n they show up sometime after

[solid otter]

The blind loyalty found only in fairytales

[fading current]

It’s fun to throw the liches out like a pokeball

Especially the coda ones. My beloved zeke_pizza

I’ve recently been rewatching an oldie but a goodie, Bakugan, so anytime I throw the on-call crew thing out I’ve been saying “Bakugan brawl” like a nerd lmao.
WAITTTT having these protos on call will be SO GOOD

[solid otter]

[obtuse gyro]

what are you gonna do

[wild wind]

wait did I hear Rebb say Ryoku OR Vena

I guess that makes sense since they're trying to kill each other but maaaaan

[fading current]

Whatever they’ll be able to do as a crew member lol. I’ll make sure to use either as best I can like do my normal crew. Especially if I can make them On-call??? Oh that’d be so fun. Throwing them onto the battlefield and I imagine they’ll have dialogue if we do have them as our “On-Call” we’ll find out more next month but I literally can’t wait. June can’t get here fast enough omg. I just need to know more about this update asap lol

[obtuse gyro]

the odds are stacked against you

[fading current]

I mean I guess so. My zeke has yet to fail me. I have faith in these protos lol

Especially if they can do more ya know

[obtuse gyro]

back against the wall, gotta give it your all

[thick jolt]

Surely we can convince DE to put a tiny lich arena like that new pokemon like arena they put in no man's sky right?

[wild wind]

pffft

[fading current]

AH AH AH TWO WORLDS COLLIDE

[wild wind]

fight pit fight pit fight pit

[fading current]

Oh for sure…

[obtuse gyro]

YOU GOTTA FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT

[thick jolt]

Surely both dev teams that have the key characteristic of "put whatever we feel like in the game" could take inspiration from one anither

[fading current]

BEFORE ITS GONE, GONE, GONE

[obtuse gyro]

*** THIS IS BAKUGAN ***

[fading current]

YASSSSSSS

[uncut solar]

Is bakugan the one with ball monsters

I can't remember

[fading current]

Yes indeed

[thick jolt]

Yknow cant say i remember the bakugan intro (like cant even remember if they made an adaptation to portuguese like they used to do back during those days)

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/bakugan-dan-kuzo-gif-20859684

[uncut solar]

Googled it and got flashbanged with memories

What were the rules of the game anyway

[fading current]

Now anytime I throw a specter ball or on call ball. I say “bakugan brawl” cuz I’m currently binging a full rewatch lol

[thick jolt]

Alternatively pull a dad move and say go pikachu for everything

The way parents ask if all anime is a pikachu

[solid otter]

Man my parental figure just knew that shit

Here young Thomas, go live out late 2010s fandom/internet culture

And that changed my life forever

[warm scarab]

how does this affect the Sharrac population

[fading current]

Man now any sad moment that happens imma be hearing this ost non stop

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQf6wanhLr4&pp=ygUhYmFrdWdhbiBiYXR0bGUgYnJhd2xlcnMgc2FkIG11c2lj

[uncut solar]

Wasn't there a guy whose mom was a bakugan

[uncut solar]

I ate some of them

[warm scarab]

they will not recover

[fading current]

No…

[solid otter]

Wasnt that evangelion?

[uncut solar]

I'm fairly sure there was one

I think he was green, or the bakugan was green

[warm scarab]

isnt it the blond kid

[uncut solar]

I don't know

But there was driving someone who's mom was a bird

[fading current]

Nobody was a bird

That was Shun and his bakugan was a Ventus Skyress

She became his partner after his mother passed away due to an illness. But she was not his actual mother lmao. Just took the role of one after his actual mom passed her onto him after she died

[warm scarab]

this is just like umamusume

[fading current]

Skyress was that bird but was not his actual mom lol just a parental figure

[uncut solar]

Good enough for me

Also I didn't mean his literal mother

Wtf

How do you even do that, with a ball

[warm scarab]

oh ye of little faith

[fading current]

I mean tbh you did say “but there was def someone who’s mom was a bird” so I was clarifying that part lol

[fading current]

But also…they’re only stuck in ball form in our dimension 😉

[fading current]

Does anyone have a video or Gif version of the ash and/or Garuda proto gemini skin emotes? I can’t seem to find them on Twitter anywhere. Just in YouTube shorts and Instagram and those aren’t fun to link here most of the time. Lol

[balmy storm]

If there’s a clean one in a video or short ik there’s gif making websites that exist where you can paste the url and choose the timestamp and durstion

[vale bloom]

ok chains of harrow explination time

TLDR version:

[silent fern]

[warm scarab]

[vale bloom]

Rell was an operator like us, one of the ten zero surviors

He has a lot of trouble understanding emotions, his own an others. A lot of people get the strong sense he was austic. Anyway, didnt stop him from being a hero.

basically, the indiference feeds off emotions

except Rell had really muted emotional responces so he basically hard countered the Indifference.

and used that and his amazing will power to keep it trapped with him. Sadly until it falls apart during the quest.

still, the sol system is still alive by the time the operator awakens because of Rell being a legendry badass of insane willpower

[cerulean kiln]

Not a strong sense he was confirmed to be Autistic

[warm scarab]

Autism saves the day

[thick jolt]

No like the devs have confirmed he is autistic

[vale bloom]

oh, interesting

[thick jolt]

It is 100% confirmed

[silent fern]

noted. Autism counters wally

[vale bloom]

but yes its a story of Autism saves the day. I did have a friend tell me its was nice to see Autism having a positive outcome rather then being betrayed only as some weakness or shortcoming.

[silent fern]

i did not know anything about the lore but harrow's protoframe looks and sounds lowk autistic, so figured that rell must be too

[vale bloom]

they having asperges themselves

but yes, it is quite amusing that wally got hard countered by Autism but its important lore becuase it proves that Wally is an emotional vampire.

wally doesnt just feed off emotions, it feeds of your understand of said emotions and your memories.

[silent fern]

do we know why the void is like that?

[thick jolt]

Also more of rell just being awsome
https://www.warframe.com/en/media/comics/rell

[cerulean kiln]

How do you look Autistic?

[silent fern]

hard to tell, sometimes you just...kinda know

[warm scarab]

Its a radar

[vale bloom]

Also, its not like Rell didnt have emotions. He had them and obviously a strong desire to protect people. As per autism, he has trouble identifying and expressing emotions but he does have them

[silent fern]

like gaydar

[cerulean kiln]

Tismdar

[vale bloom]

So yeah warframe had autism save the universe

[warm scarab]

But yeah its probably kinda like a sixth sense, you just know theyre on the spectrum

[silent fern]

it's really interesting how somethings are like 100% different but similar

maybe im stupid but

[vale bloom]

my friend has said the same thing, you kind of just know the signs.

[silent fern]

sociopaths have some things in common with people on the spectrum

[warm scarab]

Wait so what exactly did wally did in NW again, like the deal, what was it actually, is it just connecting specifically the drifter and the operator?

[silent fern]

they are (were) the same person

the drifter did not make a deal with wally tho

[thick jolt]

All tenno powers

[warm scarab]

Gave drifter the operator powers?

[cerulean kiln]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[thick jolt]

That was a flash back of sorts (described as operator being stuck in a loop of their past)

[thick jolt]

Drifter only gained powers on the following scene where drifter shakes hands witj operator

[vale bloom]

operator made a deal with wally. That deal is revealed in the new war to have searched through all possible outcomes for any chance for the operator to survive. One, he gains void powers, the other he survives by escaping into duviri. Every other outcome lead to the operator dying.

[silent fern]

[vale bloom]

by the power of eternalism, both outcomes for how the operator could survive became true.

[cerulean kiln]

The deal is where the 2 split

[chilly pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

[warm scarab]

Ohhh

[silent fern]

kinda bad cuz drifter did die anyways

[vale bloom]

its ok he got better

dying builds character or something

[silent fern]

i dont think so, mine is dating a Latina and a Bakery that she does notlike but cake

[vale bloom]

my favorite part of 1999 is Arthur ranting about how we cant understand how bad their situation is and what they are going through

then he learns the drifters backstory,
Oh......

perfect reaction lol

[silent fern]

mogged

[warm scarab]

Traumamogged

[vale bloom]

yes, the drifter might look like a young adult but they are centuries old and spent most of that time in an endless loop of dying in Divuri

[silent fern]

she fine tho

at least i hope

i tried lol

[vale bloom]

As I said, Driftier got better. Just a small case of death

[silent fern]

""""""small"""""""

[solid otter]

Before the update, most masc drifters looked at least in their late 30s 😭

[cerulean kiln]

I think some still do

[silent fern]

at this point that's just skill issue

[solid otter]

Punching the floor

[solid otter]

Not really, its an issue with the masc faces

[vale bloom]

where is that image of the operators reaction to the drifter explaining things to them?

the perfect warframe lore reaction. It should be an emoji

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-the-hex-drifter-begin-again-gif-639103360702619643

[solid otter]

Either the faces are too femme or they look like a 40 year old man with a mortgage

[vale bloom]

twice divoriced and it shows lol

[thick jolt]

[silent fern]

mine is just some random girl and that is exactly what i wanted

[vale bloom]

wait it is an emoji already? lol

[solid otter]

Good for you

[silent fern]

everyone trying to make them super unique and special, it's boring

[thick jolt]

Lol

[cerulean kiln]

It's been an emoji for like 5 years

[solid otter]

Yeah its almost as if customisation is fun

[thick jolt]

As long as it isnt a generic edgelord i dont judge

[vale bloom]

.....

[solid otter]

If i said that about warframes folk would murder me

Folk have done it for less

[thick jolt]

He said less get him!!

[silent fern]

idk it gets to a point that its is just boring and tiring

[vale bloom]

I make my shit generic edgelord though........

[solid otter]

-# the horrors of the doom fanbase

[vale bloom]

why am I being called out here?

[silent fern]

like no one is special and unique because everyone is special and unique

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-disintegration-meme-ai-meme-funny-gif-5585270952676380091

[thick jolt]

You cannot see it but i am judging you

[silent fern]

me too, VERY hard

[solid otter]

That

Doesnt mean they're not special and unique what lol

[silent fern]

i see your black and red wf

[cerulean kiln]

I'll murder you anyway just to begin again you

[silent fern]

it does

[solid otter]

Oh no, my genes are unique entirely to my body, im suddenly not unique

[steep totem]

Does it count as "edgelord" if you use the Reckoning cosmetics in appreciation for your enemy the Stalker?

[silent fern]

why this thing in taco burrito language?

[vale bloom]

are your genes really that unique though?

[solid otter]

Was.

Was that really necessary to say

[thick jolt]

That is somehow the language set on the upper right

[silent fern]

??? genes? what are you talking about? im talking about wf. you literally created a whole other debate and got angry

[solid otter]

Its unlikely a person who shares the exact identical genetic make up to me exists

[thick jolt]

Is the whole outfit black or black/red, and is that the color scheme of everything around you?

[cerulean kiln]

What
When did Thomas get angry?

[solid otter]

Thats

The point. To say a similar thing in a different way. To show the silliness of it

[silent fern]

i know but like my main language is spanish but las time i installed this game it was in english, weird that it switched eventought my steam is in english

[solid otter]

I assure you I am not angry lol

[silent fern]

except it does not makes sense because it has nothing to do with what i said

[vale bloom]

the game knows! lol

its evolving

[silent fern]

oh no

[solid otter]

Im happily downing a pineapple cruiser as I read angst of my blorbos

[thick jolt]

Think it follows system language

But if it isnt even that then uhhhhh the internet spies on you oooooooh

[solid otter]

This is just a chat im in

[cerulean kiln]

I know an angry Thomas all I gotta say is Albrecht has white blue eyes and is the exact same model

[silent fern]

oh no, time to cover my camera

[steep totem]

It is the color of the whole outfit, but that's only because I didn't bother to change anything on the standard suit
As for my surroundings...
Also standard Orbiter

[silent fern]

forgot to change the language

now i have to wait 78 years

[thick jolt]

Hmmmm

[steep totem]

Hair is a garish orange tho

[thick jolt]

Bonus point for that i guess

You pass.... for now

[solid otter]

Thats. The point. In any context it doesn't make sense. To be unique doesnt make you not unique. The desire to be unique, sure, but that doesnt make the unique design of a character suddenly not unique

[silent fern]

you are just changing the topic or whatever

[solid otter]

You can say it gets. Predictable, but they are still unique

Dawg what

[cerulean kiln]

Huh

[silent fern]

i will not answer you anymore

[solid otter]

Christ.

This is why I drink

[cerulean kiln]

Void Allvoidy

[steep totem]

Arthur alt detected

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-arthur-arthur-warframe-warframe-warframe-1999-arthur-nightingale-gif-15895607475138231281

[thick jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-24788965

[solid otter]

Im gunna go heat up some meat pies

The bullshit i have to deal with on a daily basis

Is not worth being sober for

[cerulean kiln]

Lore community is one of a kind

[solid otter]

And i aint gonna drink on an empty stomach

[cerulean kiln]

What happens if you drink on an empty stomach

[solid otter]

You get drunker faster, and or harder

[vale bloom]

in game not really

[solid otter]

Not ideal if you're gambling on if your meds will make or worse

[vale bloom]

out of game the void is obviously inspiried by 40k warp

[silent fern]

[silent fern]

i just know they big with big guns

[solid otter]

Big guns... nothing can beat the BFG 10k Ill tell you that

[vale bloom]

and warhammer 40ks warp is a psychic realm that feeds on the collected emotions of all living beings

so going by that logic the void is the way it is becuase thats how people's thoughts and emotions are

it is a big debate in game if wally is a seperate being that exists with human contact

or exist sololy becuase humans entered the void

[solid otter]

Its a big debate yeah, its been leaning on the yes side tbh

[vale bloom]

as a reaction of sorts and a mirror reflection

[solid otter]

Conceptual embodiment, as Conceptual embodiment from Albrecht's first visit

Where. He nearly died from lol

Go my middle aged dad, go nearly die

[thick jolt]

Quadrupple aged dad atp

[vale bloom]

Roathe argues that wally is not some god but merely a reflection of people in contact with the void

[solid otter]

Ah middle aged for an orokin

[vale bloom]

at least if I remmeber correctly

[solid otter]

There's other bits that suggest it to, iirc operator report, Albrecht himself and Sythel

[vale bloom]

he dislikes calling wally a god, its not some all powerful being thats invincible.

[solid otter]

Tbf he dislikes the term god in general lol

[vale bloom]

true

[solid otter]

I hate roathe as much as the next guy but I too hate the term, so we agree on that

[vale bloom]

ok so I am remembering correctly. Hard to say sometimes, I got terrible memory

I love Roathe as a character

[solid otter]

Better to allow for a mistake than say something definitely

[vale bloom]

in character he'd probably piss me off lol

[solid otter]

Oh yeah hes the best written character there

Outside the growth and then randomly saying a slur

That was. Odd

[vale bloom]

roathe being biggoited, say it aint so! lol

I mean come on, least of his sins lol

[solid otter]

Youd be surprised how many times thats got me ganked

[vale bloom]

really?

the guy started a civil war

[solid otter]

Yeah, some people woobify him a lot

Dont ever mention he helped genocide sentients and is still mildly bigoted to them

Fork found in kitchen or whatever

[vale bloom]

I love Roathe yapping about his mistress superior that he ploted the rebellion with

[thick jolt]

Yeahhhh some people really just keep trying to argue he is totally innocent and redeemed

[vale bloom]

I both loved her, amired her, hated her, and ploted to kill her

[solid otter]

Oh I hate Nitokh too, she deserves worse than roathe

[vale bloom]

like what the......Roathe: its complicated lol

[solid otter]

Yeah it was over me not liking him based on the fact he calls grineer, who are. Slaves, a slur

[vale bloom]

to be fair, they were slaves

also, hes evil remember lol

[solid otter]

"Oh but hes trying to he a better person!" I aint seeing that growth and until I see it, I aint gonna like him until I see it

Hes potential man

[vale bloom]

Is he trying to be a better person?

we are kind of forcing him to be lol Im not sure he has a choice here lol

[solid otter]

Yeah theres two endings

Two, completely valid endings

[vale bloom]

redeemed and not redeemed?

[solid otter]

Villain and redeemed yeah

Folk also like to ignore that ending

[thick jolt]

I'd say even more important than the endings the paths to said ending count a lot more

[vale bloom]

I forgot about Roathe

was too busy romacing Marie lol

[solid otter]

Oh ye and he'll make sexual comments on dating the other two and I think thats gross

[vale bloom]

I like that you can argue with her beliefs and as longa syou keep it respectful you still can romance

[solid otter]

I think she was a lot of failed potential

Im the biggest Albrecht defender you'll ever meet

[vale bloom]

its also pretty simple to do. Theres some nasty stuff you can say to her hahahahaa

like duh, of course that would make her mad

[solid otter]

Not as insufferable as thr roathe defenders though, I like to think, I know that man did horrors

[solid otter]

Its harder for people who thought they could just blindly agree about her views on Albrecht and then jump the gun on the confess the feelings part

She is built to be a lot more difficult than others

[vale bloom]

I am really happy they made blindly agreeing with her a trap

thats not how you should deal with people.

[solid otter]

Oh but they're not real!!!/s

[visual birch]

Oh no the orokin is mean to me

[solid otter]

Oh no. The orokin is sexually harassing me. How horrible of me to be uncomfortable.

[visual birch]

Who cares he dont matter ofc he gonna say stuff hes an orokin

Wait lemme hate on all protoframes, yareli and loid

Also amaryn and suda

Top 3 warframe characters:

1. Clem
2. Khal
3. Gral (glassed grineer)

[solid otter]

That

Doesnt make it okay

[visual birch]

Breaking news local jerk is a jerk

[solid otter]

That

[visual birch]

They hate him already why would he care

[solid otter]

Why do you think im upset about it for the other protoframes

[visual birch]

Lyon and marie?

[solid otter]

Yeah. Who else.

Why do you think i think they're upset about that

[visual birch]

They beef with roathe he beefs with them its genuinely not that deep. U really dont have to be offended on behalf of a fictional character for another fictional character's actions

[solid otter]

Its not

Oh my god

[visual birch]

What is?

[solid otter]

Im not.

Im upset that the man is making sexual comments at me

[visual birch]

To is or not to is

[solid otter]

I do not want that.

[visual birch]

OHHHHHHHHHH IS THAT WHAT HE SAYS

When's he say that?

If u date lyon or marie?

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[visual birch]

Yeah I still dont see the problem

[cerulean kiln]

Some people don't want to hear it

Not everyone is comfortable with things he says

[solid otter]

Christ

[visual birch]

Mmmmmmm I didnt want to see dating but here we are

I mean lowkey probably the nicest thing roathes ever done

[undone lodge]

Dating can be avoided, as can the sexual comments from all the other protos. But with Roathe you can’t just do that

And it’s fine to have a character that makes people uncomfortable, but in turn it’s fine for those people to not like the character as well

[solid otter]

I just wish the devs didn't just

Do it without warning

[visual birch]

I think ive said it a million times atp (not to u) but I wouldve liked more content rather than time spent on making a dating sim

[solid otter]

I went in with lyon because he doesn't make sexual comments

[undone lodge]

Especially when it’s something like sexuality, and especially when you’re forced to deal with the character

[solid otter]

It's also just straight sexual harassment

And. I do not jam with it

Person who isnt a fan of sexual harassment is not happy at being sexually harassed [shocker]

[visual birch]

Would u be fine with it if they gave a warning "This content contains depictions of sexual harassment"

From the guy who one of the tyrant body swapping enslavers

Ig

[solid otter]

I would prefer if it was toggable

There is. A difference

[visual birch]

I think u might need to detach from the game and realize this about your character and that its appropriate for his character. Would you want ballas' b line to lotus be toggleable?

[solid otter]

Wh

Are you dumb??

What about those words between ballas and the lotus are directed at me

[visual birch]

Js forget my example that was bad

[undone lodge]

Yeah I personally don’t like the dating system aspect. I like the idea of a relationship and interaction system, but it’s way too geared towards the dating side, especially with the dating being treated as the next stage of the friendship rather than being something alongside it (which is an issue most games have but still)

And while the info and development it gives is great the fact that it’s so long and built for repetition to get all of it, plus most of that kind of content being locked into that part of the update isn’t great either

[solid otter]

And. Guess what

The game gives you a warning.

[visual birch]

Yeah I love the lore and knowing them and them being more fleshed out since I only really liked Arthur in the hex but dating just doesnt belong in warframe

[solid otter]

It gives you a warning on even jade shadows

[visual birch]

So ur fine if there was a warning?

[solid otter]

Even if what happens in jade shadows isnt something im personally effected with emotionally, its still important to have those warnings

[visual birch]

Fair a warning probably should be given when u unlock kim and dating

But honestly

Thomas u need to touch some grass

[solid otter]

Wh

[visual birch]

Not even a joke or ragebait

[solid otter]

Christ on a stick you need some basic empathy

[visual birch]

Holy hell ur acting like someone irl just said that to u

[solid otter]

Are you suddenly not effected by media because its not real or

Do you want me to say all your gripes about warframe having a dating sim is just you not touching grass

[visual birch]

Im not gonna be affected by someone saying something sexual about my character in a video game

[solid otter]

Okay so

[hearty pendant]

that's fine that you aren't, but that doesn't mean everyone is

[visual birch]

More so I personally dont think it was a good addition

[solid otter]

Just because

You don't feel it

Doesn't mean my feelings on it are invalid

[visual birch]

I mean thats fine u feel what u feel but when a person tells me they're offended by something in a video game, that isnt something more ideological or racist wtv like a game portraying black people as criminals or jews as greedy (which could offend them because it relates to them), but instead a character in game being sexually harassed by another character who it makes sense personality wise to commit that harassment and that ur character (im assuming ) was offended by it and probably reacted accordingly, im gonna tell em to get off the game

While yes u play as drirter/operator they arent u

Its also on de for giving no warning

[zenith jacinth]

they're intended as self inserts

[visual birch]

But I wont say de was wrong for adding it

[solid otter]

They are.

They are wrong. And you are playing as yourself in most gameplay elements.

[zenith jacinth]

like. I literally made my drifter look like an actually good looking version of myself

[visual birch]

This is genuinely whats wrong with the community then

[solid otter]

Its not wrong

[visual birch]

Dw bro ur already good looking

[solid otter]

thats. How the devs wanted it to be

[zenith jacinth]

oh, no, I do not look good lmao

[visual birch]

Ight ig

[solid otter]

And do you not think that maybe

I am affected by a character making unwanted sexual comments

Because. Those comments have been made towards me in the past

That I was uncomfortable with

[zenith jacinth]

only thing roach ever said to me is him threatening to do worse by me if I do wrong by I presume lyon

it's fun that he's secretly emotionally attached to the other two

[visual birch]

Thats valid for u to be uncomfortable by that but I do think u need to separate urself from the game. Even if the devs intend for the operator to be a self insert u shouldn't self insert urself. I just dont think thats healthy. But like I said theres nothing wrong with the dialogue just thats theres no warning

Sry u had to recieve those comments

[zenith jacinth]

that's
just a dumb take

[visual birch]

What part of it?

[solid otter]

Would you say that to someone who has been affected by racism when a character says a slur to their character or

[zenith jacinth]

all of it aside from like, maybe the last bit

[visual birch]

Are u gonna explain it

[zenith jacinth]

I don't even know where to start

[solid otter]

"Oh but its not actually you!!!" Do you understand how bad that is

[hearty pendant]

immersion is kinda part of doing that bit of rp that's part of interacting with the KIM system and the characters associated with it

[visual birch]

I mean it depends theres people who have been affected by those things. Some are fine with in game things some arent.

[solid otter]

And

[visual birch]

The more I hear about this the more I think it was a bad idea

[solid otter]

I am affected by the things he says as its happened to me.

He is saying it. To me.

Regardless of the kim system

These comment are towards the person playing

Do I need to explain it even more simpler

Do I need to draw up a graph

[visual birch]

To ur character pls just stop thinking of it as urself and think of it as the drifter i hope that can at least make it better for u

[next bronze]

Just finished 1999 ARG

so at the end

Do we know if that's how Rusalka got possessed by Wally?

[hearty pendant]

it is thought that the ARG is that, yes

[wild wind]

Though Neci says that she met Wally a few times before that in Along Came a Spider

[hearty pendant]

true
ig the ARG would just be that last bit of Along Came a Spider

or right before it, considering isleweaver dialogue mentions him showing up to her 'holding her own severed hand'

[solid otter]

Tbf we know wally can at least try and change memories from the past [Lyon experiences something similar iirc], so we can't be sure

[wild wind]

Eh I'm not going to entertain that, Along Came a Spider is too tied in to the Duviri spirals

[solid otter]

What?

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

Like i get the feelings inside are. The spirals

But how does that

Make it so it cant be from Wally warping memories?

[wild wind]

Because the implication is that it's why she was chosen

[solid otter]

That she felt basic human emotion 😭

[hearty pendant]

hm? i'd say its more of how than why
imo wally isn't modifying memories there, mostly because it'd be another example of him 'hunting' someone down over and over until he gets something from them

[solid otter]

Ehh, my issue is that. How would wally have access to someone from a time where the void was never accessed

[wild wind]

Because as we know it was accessed even before that

1899

[solid otter]

That

Doesn't mean anything

She would need to be close to those areas

[wild wind]

But also I just don't think the Void being accessed is actually a requirement anymore

[solid otter]

??

[hearty pendant]

i mean, it could be accessed in 1899 because it was already accessed in whatever year albrecht first did it in
assuming Lyon is doing those expeditions from XX99 and not walking 10 feet into the labs to do so

[solid otter]

It. Kinda needs to be for wally to be around a person

[wild wind]

Where's that stated?

[cerulean kiln]

“That man trapped in the Wall”

[solid otter]

Theres a whole roathe chat about it too lol

[hearty pendant]

only shows up near the void or void-touched people or whatever

[wild wind]

You're well aware I don't actually think Roathe knows what he's talking about

In-character, I mean

[hearty pendant]

Roathe's working with a decent amount of the info that we are tbf

[solid otter]

Roathe isnt dumb about the void lol

[wild wind]

Absolutely, and I don't think we the character or we the players have all the facts, either

[solid otter]

He has access to the whole void research enclave

[wild wind]

Roathe makes a logical assumption given what he knows

[solid otter]

Yeah

And he knows a lot

[wild wind]

But logical does not mean correct

[hearty pendant]

sure, but we're doing the same, no?

[solid otter]

Hes not Albrecht level of void knowledge, but considering all of Albrecht's life research is everywhere in the labs, its not that hard to assume Roathe learned

[cerulean kiln]

Roathe got the Entrati Family max rank confirmed?

[hearty pendant]

roathe doesn't like loid, but what does he think of necraloid

[solid otter]

Mm, no clue

Im not sure he comments on necraloid

[wild wind]

"construct"

Basically take how Loid feels and scale it to an actual Orokin

[solid otter]

Ehh

[weak stratus]

Okay, so I'm able to talk about the Jade Shadows: Constellations trailer here, right?

[hearty pendant]

possibly

[solid otter]

Some of Loid's animosity comes from the fact its

Himself
And made to replace him

[hearty pendant]

i wonder if necraloid not being an Actual Glassed Loid changes anything

[solid otter]

Possibly

Maybe Roathe would just dog on Loid for it instead

[weak stratus]

Nice nice

I've been watching the trailer, and I think these frames are going to be able to transform or something. I know it's probably pretty obvious, but I think that will be cool. I also wonder if they'll be able to fly in some form or fashion..

On a separate, but similar note, I was telling my friend about my dream frame, and literally, I described a frame that looks like a knight in plate armor, but has stealth abilities (like stalker) and also looks angelic. I never thought it would actually happen though because all of those together would be really specific and probably only fitted my niche (plus, we already had an angelic frame in the form of Jade, and I didn't think they'd want to use the same aesthetic on multiple frames)... I am extremely happy that I was proven wrong, lol.

I just hope that I'm not going to over-hype myself, you know? I don't want to ruin my enjoyment of the new frames by overthinking their abilities or overanalyzing the trailer and what not.

What do you guys think about the new frames?

[wild wind]

I think we'll know in about four weeks and the worst thing you can do right now is overanalyze a non-gameplay trailer 😅

My personal guess is that they may end up in an Equinox situation, where you swap forms to get different powers

[potent crown]

I hope not, if only for the meme of a whole squad family reunion in Duviri

[weak stratus]

From what I heard on the devstream, they said we wouldn't be locked out of either path (Sirius or Orion), which leads me to believe they'll be separate frames, since if they were a single frame, there wouldn't be any paths to choose from in the first place

[hearty pendant]

the quest will relate to your original choice, but the obtaining of the frame(s) is separate from that

[potent crown]

It could still be a default/alt skin situation though (but I hope not)

[weak stratus]

Same. I hope they're different frames because I would love to have a duo build with my friend that I usually play with

[potent crown]

I'm just a greedy ADHD gremlin that likes new toys

I hardly ever do fashion. I'm mr26 and I have bought all of one skin and 1 alt helm lol. I just want shiny kits to play with

[weak stratus]

That's fair. I believe these peeps will be really fun to play with, no matter what's in store. I just hope I'll like Sirius's kit enough to use him as my main (As I said before, this is basically the EXACT frame I was hoping for, so my excitement is immeasurable right now)

What's Equinox's background like, because from what I can tell, Sirius and Orion have completely different backgrounds (other than being the same person) completely different looks, and they seem to be separate entities. I don't know how they would end up being the same frame if all of that is true AND they apparently fight each other

[potent crown]

Do we know when we'll be seeing Sirius/Orion gameplay preview

[wild wind]

Next devstream

[potent crown]

When's that

[wild wind]

Last Friday of May

[potent crown]

Damn, that's a wait lol

[wild wind]

As for separate frames, all I'll say is that DE's never released two new frames at the same time since the game's initial release

The closest they've come is, well, Equinox

[fierce oasis]

Ok i just have been thinking of something for a while

[fierce oasis]

THEORETICALLY, what if operator and lotus learn about existence of another orokin in the system, and right near places they consider safe, like near dark refactory, what if they learn about roathe’s existence and also other protoframes’ existence.

[wild wind]

Though they used to release Primes alongside new Warframes back in the day

[wild wind]

They already know

[fierce oasis]

Wait what

[wild wind]

Lotus is literally in the room lol

[hearty pendant]

operator and lotus are aware of roathe, drifter's just been instructed to talk with the protos instead of anyone else

[fierce oasis]

Oh yeah right

[hearty pendant]

hell, roathe sent operator an email for blood of perita

[fierce oasis]

The guilt mode i think?

[wild wind]

That's separate

[fierce oasis]

Oh.

[weak stratus]

Weren't Saryn and Banshee released on the same day?

[fierce oasis]

The horrors

[hearty pendant]

mm, both update 7

[wild wind]

Oh true they might have been, that first year had a lot of weirdness

[potent crown]

Why is Roathe a cat lmfao

[fierce oasis]

You saying he isn’t?

[hearty pendant]

its accurate
to his personality not lore

[cerulean kiln]

He's not just a cat he's a blue cat

[weak stratus]

So it's not impossible, just not something that typically happens or has happened recently

[weak stratus]

To be fair, I don't think any recent frames have had an entire animated cinematic made about them either

[hearty pendant]

styanax had an animated cinematic
.. 14 frames ago but yk

[potent crown]

That's not recent

[wild wind]

Eh, are we counting Voruna Prime

[hearty pendant]

different animation

[wild wind]

That's why I asked

[potent crown]

Was the 1999 animated trailer before or after Styanax

[hearty pendant]

after

[wild wind]

Styanax was Veilbreaker, The Hex was 1999

[potent crown]

Technically that means Cyte-09 was the last one to have an animated trailer right

[wild wind]

Yeah

[hearty pendant]

sorta

[wild wind]

So, five frames

[hearty pendant]

i didn't count it because Cyte wasn't the subject of the trailer, the hex were

[potent crown]

Like he was the only new frame in there though

[wild wind]

About a year

[potent crown]

The rest are old frames with new skins

[fierce oasis]

Volt released 3 years ago

[hearty pendant]

close enough

[weak stratus]

I thought Volt released in 2012?

[wild wind]

That's the joke

Or I assume it's a joke, if I'm wrong I will be shocked but it's still pretty funny

[fierce oasis]

Wait fr

[cerulean kiln]

October 2012 base released and Prime came in March 2015

[potent crown]

Volt is old lol

[potent crown]

shocked
Is that a pun

[weak stratus]

What date did he become a starter frame again? And did he immediately become a starting frame after being added, or did it take a bit before that happened?

[hearty pendant]

volt was a starter, then got replaced by mag (update 7), then volt replaced loki (update 14)

[steep totem]

Bring back J-3 Golem

says one who never got to fight it

[weak stratus]

Do you guys like the looks of the new frame(s)?

[zenith jacinth]

specify

[weak stratus]

Do you like the knightly/medieval aspects of them?

[zenith jacinth]

oh, orion/sirius

they look neat

[weak stratus]

I agree. Though the trailer has me a bit confused, because they had two separate looks in it

(Am I allowed to send pictures here for reference?)

[zenith jacinth]

orion and sirius

[weak stratus]

(Yes)

[zenith jacinth]

they're two different peopleframes

[weak stratus]

Well, I know that, but both of the frames also had two different looks in the trailer

[hearty pendant]

same origin, different outcomes
we know that the strain can be modified by the host due to mirage prime
and especially given that this is the first frame that's been born rather than transformed

[zenith jacinth]

they open their helmets iirc

[weak stratus]

Aaaah, okay, that's what's going on

[zenith jacinth]

I can't for the life of me remember which is which but like the green one has the eyes from the bebeh form when the helmet is open iirc

[weak stratus]

Do you think they'll have a transformation mechanic or something then? (maybe like Gauss or something)

[zenith jacinth]

eh, maybe, maybe not

it's still not even confirmed that they're a usable frame

[weak stratus]

^
That one is Sirius (and my personal favorite)

[zenith jacinth]

I picked orion only because I can't not associate sirius with harry potter

[weak stratus]

Aaah, that's fair. Which sucks. I really hope they're usable

It would be a LOT of effort for unusable frames

[zenith jacinth]

remember, stalker

[steep totem]

Honestly, I feel more excited for Constellations then I do for the upcoming Tau update

I was wondering when the baby was going to play a role

And I'm always up for TIME TRAVEL

[balmy storm]

Y’know
With the whole issue of them coexisting in spacetime they may just fuse by the end of the quest lol

Equinox 2: this time they were a baby

Meanwhile actual equinox crying in the corner

[steep totem]

That would depress me greatly

I was looking forward to an actual double release

[balmy storm]

They’re gonna have to explain them coexisting in spacetime somehow

I would prefer a double release but
🤷‍♀️

[steep totem]

Maybe the two become different enough to count as different people?
Unlike the Operator/Drifter

Idk, and right now idc

[balmy storm]

Yeah I don’t think thats how that works
Drifter and Operator are different people but were the same person
Same thing here

Like the whole thing seems to be that in these eternalism cases the two entities cannot coexist outside of the void for an extended period of time

[solid otter]

Id say that maybe the helminth made clones could, but even then I don't think it would

[misty veldt]

I had a random thought on how they exist at the same time. I wanna say technicalities let them exist together as not the same name not the same look etc etc. They might have enough diffrences to just not be counted as the same person

[balmy storm]

Even with them changing their strain due to their own histories they have the same temporal origin

[balmy storm]

Operator and Drifter:

[misty veldt]

Yea i just realized how stupid my thought was

[solid otter]

Dw its a fine thought

[steep totem]

No, it's not stupid

[balmy storm]

Like I get the thought process but the universe is caring about what they physically are, not who they are

[misty veldt]

Ah

[solid otter]

I had the same initially lol

[balmy storm]

It’s not stupid though dw lol

Like literally just look at Operator and Drifter, it’s the same thing

[steep totem]

Thinking about it now, maybe genetics would play a role
Maybe the Sirius and Orion wouldn't be genetically identical

[balmy storm]

If the universe struggles with them then it will struggle with Sirius and Orion

[steep totem]

Like with regular siblings

[balmy storm]

I’m not saying its even about genetics though lol

[steep totem]

But it could be
Operator and Drifter are genetically identical

[balmy storm]

Like they were literally the same person until the split and now if they try to coexist in the same space the universe should have a fit

[misty veldt]

Wouldnt they technically be a fusion of the stalkers helminth and jades helminth tho

[balmy storm]

But they were still the same person in their history lol

[visual birch]

They are or at least should be. Their differences likely arise due to either how they were raised or factors affecting their growth like wounds and other stuff ig

[balmy storm]

The universe doesn’t care about your current chemical makeup or who you are relative to your other, it cares about the fact that you were both at one point in time the same person

Like
Chronologically

[visual birch]

U got the same file name and two files with the same name cant exist at the same time

Simple as that

[balmy storm]

And if they do then one goes in the bubble

[steep totem]

That's what I'm saying
Maybe they weren't the same person chronologically

[misty veldt]

I am diving headfirst into somehow agreeing with roathe on eternalism

[visual birch]

Storage lol

[visual birch]

They are

[balmy storm]

But they
They were
They were the same baby lol

They were literally the same person, then the split happens
Boom, eternalism

[steep totem]

For the love of-
Show some imagination, people