spoiler-chat

[flat tree]

yeah overall mucked

I hope he does return for Constellations

[echo basalt]

unless they went back to the og VA, or hired a new guy, probably

[desert aurora]

guys, how can i get a Proto garuda?

[warm scarab]

Yes but did he base warframe himself first

[flat tree]

no someone base warframed him

cough cough Ballas

[warm scarab]

The orokin with no balls

[steep totem]

Kinda
He learned alchemy, and changed himself and his abilities

[warm scarab]

Peak

[balmy storm]

Where’s this from? :o

[wild wind]

Website lol

[balmy storm]

lol

[flat tree]

imagine reliving the trauma of your wife and having your son you've been waiting thousands of years to be born only to be dragged a few months later into their origin system spanning war in an alternate dimension

[balmy storm]

Well he didn’t know she was his wife or that was his kid til the quest happened
Nor is it an alternate dimension

[flat tree]

its a possible timeline which is practically an alternate reality

[balmy storm]

It’s two possible timelines

Future possible timelines

[karmic idol]

Just finished the new war

Dang

I really liked the story

But there's some issues with the storytelling.
For example: There's things wich can easily be surpassed like the Duviri Paradox or any others wich can be missunderstood

But great after all

[flat tree]

opinions on the glorious and wise leader Ballas?

[karmic idol]

Such a ball ass

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/inazuma-eleven-go-chrono-stone-inago-cs-anime-time-travel-timeline-gif-21535545

[fading current]

Oh I can’t wait till we tell him about all of this lmao

headcanon (he loses his shit)

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-squarepants-dreams-gif-7119244863961096810

[chilly pine]

the sirius/orion thing would be an interesting convo with roathe i think

[fading current]

I can’t find an eternalism gif and it’s lowkey frustrating. I shall make one myself

[fading current]

Oh I’d LOVE to bring it up with him

[chilly pine]

only eternalism gif i have is a gif'd version of the above screenshot

[fading current]

Give us a bonus Kim chat with Roathe just to piss him off lol

[balmy storm]

Can I punch him after telling him lol

[fading current]

Yes. Please.

[flat tree]

play descendia with Atlas

[balmy storm]

But I wanna punch the real thing, not his mind

[fading current]

Punch him several times….

[flat tree]

get a friend to play Uriel with the gemini emote and punch him

[balmy storm]

Add some black and purple to that horrid blue visage

[fading current]

im that eternalism annoyance he talks about. I’m obsessed with anything alternate timeline or reality stuff. Give it all to me. I just know I make Roathe mad just from looking at me. Good….😈

[balmy storm]

I like that DE has used it sparingly and if anything was gonna get it, I’m glad its this

[fading current]

SAME

I’ve been begging for an actual storyline based on eternalism outside of new war and WE FINALLY GET IT IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE

[balmy storm]

Scaro Ki’fear didn’t do enough

[fading current]

Unfortunately not 😭

[balmy storm]

I do kinda hope they don’t continue to utilize eternalism, or if they do they do it carefully

[fading current]

If they do, yes I hope it’s handled carefully

Cuz that can get very tiring, very fast depending on how it’s told

[balmy storm]

Mmhm

I do wonder though
How did Albrecht access it?

I mean if anyone could it is him, but I do wonder how he cracked it

[flat tree]

alternate corpus with helminth

[balmy storm]

What?

Neither the corpus nor helminth are involved with eternalism

[fading current]

I’m curious about that as well…like how are these protos even existing in “the future of Orion/Sirius”
At some point in their timelines, did albrecht show up and inject those 2 with the helminth or did they do it on their own later on their futures. Maybe found a way to become their own versions of protoframes?? Good gods I’m gonna be theorizing and battling my own brain over them until the May Devstream….UGH TIME HURRY UP

[balmy storm]

I don’t think there can be another way other than Albrecht

[solid otter]

Mm

[fading current]

So I guess he just showed up in each of their futures…?

[solid otter]

Second Albrecht

If they're separate timelines to our own

[fading current]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking. Would explain it.

[balmy storm]

Why we saying there’s two of him

[solid otter]

It could be just. Their own Albrechts

[balmy storm]

Or
Or
Albrecht just
Figured out eternalism

[solid otter]

Ehh

[balmy storm]

There being two of him doesn’t make sense.

[solid otter]

I am. vehemently agaunst the idea

[solid otter]

???

Yes it does??

[fading current]

Hmmm if there’s 2 timelines, there could be 2 versions of Albrecht. One that gave the Garuda serum and one that gave the ash one.

[solid otter]

Two timelines have their own Albrechts lol

[balmy storm]

If they can travel backwards to us somehow from both of their timelines then our Albrecht going to those timelines makes just as much sense lol

[solid otter]

Even if Albrecht did figure out eternalism

[balmy storm]

But they wouldn’t

[solid otter]

There still would be another Albrecht

[balmy storm]

They wouldn’t have their own Albrecht lol

[solid otter]

??????????

[balmy storm]

We don’t even know where he is or when he made them

[solid otter]

Thats not important

[balmy storm]

If he’s not in the present now nor in our own future and he’s time travelling around then there’s still only one of him.

[balmy storm]

It is!

[solid otter]

We know its a separate timeline, so we know there's a second Albrecht, regardless of if our Albrecht figured out eternalism

[balmy storm]

For there to be two of him he’d need to be split at some point
That has yet to happen

[solid otter]

We know splitting timelines can cause two separate versions of the one to exist

[solid otter]

Wh

[balmy storm]

There being two of him, and thus infinite of him, makes no sense

[solid otter]

Ducky what

[balmy storm]

Thats how eternalism works

[solid otter]

No, ducky

[fading current]

That split could’ve come at the coffin scene in whispers of the wall (intro) instead of traveling to 1999, maybe he jump into the future.

[balmy storm]

[solid otter]

There's always been infinite Albrechts

[tight pagoda]

The split in Constellations is the decision between Orion and Sirius

[solid otter]

Just as there's always been infinite operators, and baros

[fading current]

I’m talking about Albrecht not them

[balmy storm]

I mean
There aren’t

[solid otter]

Thats.
Like. The eternalism thing™

[fading current]

It’s also a random theory lmao

[balmy storm]

Wally collapsed our timelines into two lol

[solid otter]

Yeah not any more, because. Wally killed them

Yeah so.

Before a split, there was timelines with their own operator

Meaning. Even before a split there is a precedent that. There's multiple

[balmy storm]

For there to be two Albrecht in both of these histories he would have had to be present for when those splits happen, Albrecht has been in 1999 this entire time and thus any event in the Origin System, like us picking the baby name, does not effect him

[solid otter]

Which. Means there's multiple Albrecht

[fading current]

If there were to be any variants from albretch I’d have to imagine it’d come from whenever he actually traveled through time. Many variations could have him traveling to all sorts of different periods and time

[solid otter]

Wh

Ducky what the shit are you saying 😭

[solid otter]

Albrecht was present for at least ONE split

[balmy storm]

Yes, due to eternalism there is an infinite amount of Albrechts
BUT
That does not mean that there are now two of him running around to different timelines
And with both of these timelines traveling backwards and converging into the current present I don’t see why Albrecht can’t just do the opposite.

[solid otter]

Im not saying hes running around to different timelines????

[balmy storm]

Was he around for when we named the baby?
No!

[solid otter]

Ducky.

[balmy storm]

You’re saying there’s multiple of him.

[solid otter]

Ducky please.

[fading current]

meanwhile he’s been in the dark side of the corner watching that entire scene before vanishing via void magic…/J

[solid otter]

Yeah. Like eternalism states. Can you point out where I said he was hopping timelines?

[balmy storm]

I’m saying the protos are
Or rather they’re doing the opposite
They are from two distinct possible futures, both are converging backwards to the present

[solid otter]

[balmy storm]

Albrecht could absolutely do the same thing by going to their timelines, their futures

[solid otter]

Im saying that there's a possibility that instead of Albrecht jumping timelines, the individual timelines could've had their own Albrechts. Why would Albrecht's presence change that? Can you point to me where it is stated that he must be there for a split for him to be present in a timeline?

[balmy storm]

In order for him to make these protoframes he is interacting with eternalism to some degree, and it’d make sense to me that he does the opposite of what they’re doing
That’s likely why they can even go back and converge into this timeline

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-president-loki-tom-hiddleston-sylvie-laufeyson-gif-22249237

[balmy storm]

Ok
With how eternalism works there would have to be a split at some point
Let’s say he travelled to the future sometime between 1998 visits and 1999’s loop being established
If there is more than one of him then he had a choice at one point and due to eternalism he made both choices and travelled to both possible futures, this then makes the problem of when he comes back, did they merge? Are there now two of him? These alternate histories are relative to the present so he wouldn’t just be going to another version of the now, that’s now how it works
And if he did then that’d be a spare Albrecht that Wally will either get to or ignore
OR
He cracked eternalism and travelled to two possible futures for whatever purpose he has for these protos and Sirius/Orion

[solid otter]

And. Love you you oversimplified access eternalism for the sake of the argument

Let's see here.

[balmy storm]

I just don’t see a window for when there would be two Albrechts presently with what we have
The protos are from two histories and converge backwards into our present, that means they have eternalism tech and time tech

They aren’t from just the future but from two possible futures, two futures that have yet to happen and only occur due to one factor we know of presently
A factor that Albrecht doesn’t seem to even be aware of yet

[warm scarab]

istg duviri should be locked, or at least come with a disclaimer, to after new war, makes the intro better if you see him at NW first

[balmy storm]

The factor is the kid being named
The other factor for why these futures happen is Stalker abandoning his kid(s) for whatever reason

[balmy storm]

It’s kinda meant to be this weird paradox thing and technically it can work earlier but narratively for many it fits better post new war

[flat tree]

it was originally a STARTING quest for new players when they booted the game up

either play awakening or play duviri

[warm scarab]

wait his ordis is like loid?

[warm scarab]

that would straight up give people a wrong impression of the game so glad its changed, imagine finishing duviri and being thrown into a grineer ship

[solid otter]

There being a spare Albrecht wally might’ve gotten isnt shocking nor impossible
Albrecht did eventually return to the main timeline, and we do not know when he did in comparison to jade shadows. Jade shadows isn't a prerequisite to any quest until recently, and release and or access order doesn't particularly mean much, especially in the recent years [isleweaver, the hex]

And. Again, where is it stated he must be present to experience a split? He was still in the timeline, just far far earlier. Even more so, how did a split even happen without wally? Do splits make their own separate timeline from the start or do the fragment off the choice? If so, do all choices cause a split? Or is it only choices wally is involved in?

Also. Baro was in the void when he made that deal, wasn't he? While the other baros might not have been present, right? And yet those were still affected by a split/fusion

[warm scarab]

has anyone tried to speedrun NW im curious if that disclaimer about it being several hours long is absolute

[tight pagoda]

Cutscenes are like 2 hours on their own

Ok maybe like 90 mins but still

[balmy storm]

We know there are other timelines, splits don’t happen just because of Wally
And Albrecht would need to be split for there to be another one of him, that’s how eternalism works

[solid otter]

Where is that stated???

[balmy storm]

Also Jade Shadows is a post new war quest lol

[solid otter]

Can you give me a direct source or

[balmy storm]

What do you think eternalism is????

[solid otter]

So is whispers and the hex

[balmy storm]

And Hex comes after whispers lol

[solid otter]

The hex and the old peace happen at the same time, but isleweaver was released before we actually experienced both, right?

[tight pagoda]

No, Isleweaver dropped after Techrot Encore

[solid otter]

H

[tight pagoda]

And only accessible after Hex Finale

[solid otter]

Both. As in. The old peace.

Which. Was released later

Isleweaver predates it, but it would happen after it

[tight pagoda]

Sorry I had to process what you were saying, gotcha now

[solid otter]

Which is. Probably why we didn't see Albrecht all of last year lol, he technically didn't leave yet

My point is, is that we do not have a firm timeline to when jade shadows happened in comparison to the hex

[balmy storm]

So let’s say that while Albrecht was cooking up protoframes and making a plan that he was faced with a decision when traveling to the future, for the sake of this let’s say the choice is Garuda or Ash
Due to eternalism he would technically pick both, traveling to both futures and making both, he then travels back
This is one possible version of events but we don’t know if he knew of Sirius or Orion and they happen later relative to his protoframe project regardless

All in all this version does utilize eternalism but does not access eternalism

And that’s why I shade doubt on there being two of him, let alone the issue of what happens when he comes back

[solid otter]

That

What does that disprove?

[balmy storm]

[solid otter]

He. Doesn't need to return to our timeline if theres. A separate timeline he can chill in lol

Alternatively

They're both dead :p

[wild wind]

Given that proto Ash's ship is the Kuva Witch, it kinda makes me wonder if instead their respective ships are named after the OTHER future!proto

[balmy storm]

But I’m saying he didn’t chill there, he can’t chill there, he eventually comes back to his relative present to go to 1999

[night grail]

This isnt true I think

[wild wind]

Since Kuva Witch is an extremely appropriate name for Garuda

[balmy storm]

I wonder why that would be tho

[graceful zodiac]

There isn't one, Wally is everywhere

[wraith eagle]

I thought the Kuva Witch was Garuda's.

[balmy storm]

They don’t seem to be a fan of one another lol

[night grail]

DE I'm begging increase barriers to entry a little

[solid otter]

If theres a split of Albrecht. In his own timeline. Why would he not be able to sit in his own split?

[wild wind]

I remember them highlighting Kuva Witch and when they went in it was Ryoku's

Because the other one was filled with blood lmao

[night grail]

Guh??? Isnt his the scoria's angel

[graceful zodiac]

It is

[wild wind]

maybe! I did look away at one point, but I swear they clicked on Kuva Witch first

[balmy storm]

Because of the issue regarding not being able to access eternalism
Which is why I’m saying there was no split with him
Because clearly the protos have access to it and neither of them seem the type to make that tech lol

[night grail]

https://youtu.be/JOG3pB-OtmY?t=41m39s

[solid otter]

Okay so how do you propose Albrecht managed to figure out accessing eternalism

[wild wind]

yep that's it I looked away

makes muuuuuch more sense now

[tight pagoda]

"Scoria's Angel is a Ash overtaken ship" https://youtu.be/JOG3pB-OtmY?t=2495

[wild wind]

Charlie's Void Angels

[solid otter]

Using duviri as a trampoline is my only actual guess

Oh warframe advertisement

[balmy storm]

He’s Albrecht Entrati?
Mr. Void science?
If the devs want him to do a thing he can just do it

[solid otter]

I

Would prefer more than just "well he knows the void"

[balmy storm]

The simplest solution to me is Albrecht accessed eternalism, went to these respective futures, gave them the tech too and dipped

[solid otter]

Yeah but how

[warm scarab]

ballas' narmer plan is self-projection disguised as propaganda>??????

[tight pagoda]

Yeah

[solid otter]

You're calling it simple because you're ignoring the difficulty of accessing eternalism

[balmy storm]

Thomas you are asking a question that likely wouldn’t even be answered in-game lol
How did he do time travel?

[solid otter]

Because. Arguably thats not simple

[balmy storm]

You’re overcomplicating it by saying he split further in the timeline lol

[solid otter]

How???

Its pretty knowable

A split is literally the least complex thing we've seen with eternalism

[balmy storm]

Explain to me then oh mighty Thomas, how did these protoframes get from their respective futures to our present?

[wild wind]

the absolute funniest answer is that Albrecht figured it out because for as much as Wally stole from Albrecht when he fell in the portal, Albrecht gained some of Wally's knowledge himself

[tight pagoda]

I mean it's probably not even Albrecht who proto'd them

[wraith eagle]

Not everything has to do with Albrecht. I really wish

[balmy storm]

It is when the split doesn’t match up lol

[solid otter]

Okay so

[balmy storm]

I can see it lol

[solid otter]

What about baro then? There's no way all baros all at once decided to go into the void to be affected by a split, right?

[balmy storm]

Nobody else has access to that info though

[wild wind]

that's actually one of my favorite bits from Wheel of Time

[tight pagoda]

Now, maybe, but maybe the Corpus were able to reverse engineer Helminth somehow

[wild wind]

One character early on had a bunch of his memories eaten by Pure Evil(tm)

[balmy storm]

You don’t need to be in the void to be split, Thomas
We hear about other timelines in temporal Archimedia

[solid otter]

Im not saying that.

[balmy storm]

Wally can FORCE splits
Splits can also just happen

[solid otter]

Im saying the other baros were not present for it

But they were affected

[balmy storm]

Wally collapsed all of the possible Baros into one, bar one

[wild wind]

Later on he ends up in an evil fairy realm where he accidentally fulfills a pact that requires them to give him certain gifts he asks for

he asks for the holes in his memories to be filled

[balmy storm]

Soulframe

[solid otter]

Yeah, so if they weren't in the same timeline where the split took place, how were they affected?

[wild wind]

So they shove a few decades of military knowledge into his skull and then hang him from a tree to die because they're jerks and he also asked for a way out but not a safe one

[balmy storm]

Because they didn’t need to be in the same timeline???
Wally was collapsing all of those timelines into one, the split with Baro comes from one Baro being all of them and one Baro being left alone

[wild wind]

Man early Wheel of Time was good

[wraith eagle]

Isn't everything split but not via eternalism if its not particularly weird exception

[balmy storm]

Wally made a new split artificially, that’s what he does

[solid otter]

You're saying that Albrecht needs to be in the same timeline for a split!

But baro didn't need to be!

[balmy storm]

Ok
Albrecht would be in one timeline, our timeline
He then chooses which future to go to
That choice then splits him
That is a natural occurring split in the timeline

[tight pagoda]

It's wayyyyy too early to argue about this right now, we should shelve it for the next Devstream

[solid otter]

And. Again

We do not know when jade shadows takes place in comparison to the hex

Release order isnt reliable either, we see it with isleweaver

[balmy storm]

Sure
He still would be split

[solid otter]

Wh

[balmy storm]

Isleweaver literally happens reliably in release order 😭

1999 -> Techrot Encore -> Isleweaver

[solid otter]

No it doesnt.

If the hex and the old peace happen at the same time, how does isleweaver fit in?

[balmy storm]

Thomas, how is Albrecht becoming two Albrechts

[thick jolt]

I'd go with ducky's theory because at least then the ships coming back to us makes slight sense

If noone figured out eternalism then how are those ships in our present

[wraith eagle]

Because timetravel is messy already

[wild wind]

I mean, if the Corpus start actually winning the war?

[balmy storm]

It goes after The Hex???

[wild wind]

Then they raid Deimos and get all of Albrecht's tech

[solid otter]

The old peace??

[wild wind]

yes

[balmy storm]

The Hex and the Old Peace take place at the same time lol

[solid otter]

Yes. Im saying that.

[wild wind]

You're going through your memories in TOP because of Albrecht's crack about Tau

[balmy storm]

You can do TOP before The Hex technically

After Lotus Eaters its a choice

[solid otter]

So how did

Isleweaver happen before the old peace release wise?

[wild wind]

yeah but the Drifter has already gone back in time

[balmy storm]

Albrecht figuring out eternalism explains the ships and protos
Albrecht being split does not, even with a time machine

[balmy storm]

In Lotus Eaters?
Or in Whispers?

[wild wind]

So from your perspective they go back and the timeline automatically updates so you see the end of 1999

[wild wind]

In TOP

[balmy storm]

Lotus Eaters - > Old Peace and The Hex -> Isleweaver and The Devil’s Triad

[balmy storm]

Had they :?
you can do TOP before The Hex so when did they do that?

[solid otter]

You could argue that. The old peace actually happened when 1999 released, but that means that the release order isn't correct

You could argue that 1999 happened when the old peace released, but that means that isleweaver was incorrect in the release order

[balmy storm]

Or do you just mean cause they’re happening at the same time

[wild wind]

That's where Drifter is while Operator is in the Refractory

[balmy storm]

Yeah lol

[wild wind]

But from the Operator's perspective, 1999 resolves instantly

It takes negative time

[solid otter]

Isleweaver released. Before the old peace dropped, but it did not happen before the old peace

[balmy storm]

Isleweaver happens at some point after The Hex
And The Hex happens at the same time as the Old Peace

[tight pagoda]

Theoretically, Angels of the Zariman takes place at the same time as the Hex or Old Peace

So that's fun

[balmy storm]

Isn’t it a prerequisite for the hex

[tight pagoda]

Nope

[wild wind]

See, I know DE says that, but it doesn't make sense. You're not looking for Tau until after Albrecht suggests he's headed there

[balmy storm]

It was for something istg

[tight pagoda]

Duviri is but not Angels

Angels is so far completely optional in the sense it has no sequel

[wild wind]

That's what provides the incentive to dig out your memory, Tau's coordinates are gone

[balmy storm]

It doesn’t and yet it can play out as Operator doing it first

[wild wind]

You can play Duviri before Second Dream, that doesn't make it right or correct 😛

[solid otter]

Still unsure why Albrecht needed the dark refractory

[balmy storm]

Unless ofc The Hex from the Operator’s perspective is like
Pretty much instant
Which makes The Hex the context for the Old Peace

[wild wind]

That's what I'm saying, yeah

[balmy storm]

Well that one can be cause weird untimeness lol

[wild wind]

It resolves instantly

[tight pagoda]

I feel like either to relive the Void Incident for the sake of learning more about the event from a perhaps more objective standpoint

[solid otter]

Because. Unlike what we first thought, there isn't multiple with what the Archimedian said, shes just calling us a stubborn ass

[tight pagoda]

Or specifically for the Operator's usage

[balmy storm]

He was expecting us

[solid otter]

It does seem built specifically for tau, the astronomical clock is. For tau

[balmy storm]

Though
He did leave during the war

[solid otter]

Mm, expecting a chosen operator, not the singular tenno that went to tau

[tight pagoda]

I wouldn't be surprised if he just knows the future somehow due to calculations and stuff

[balmy storm]

I wonder if he was around up until the peace

[balmy storm]

Many tenno likely went to Tau tbh

[solid otter]

Mm, depends on when the biobomb happened

[night grail]

We do know at least 6 tenno were active in tau

[balmy storm]

He does have notes on it
He figured out 1999 was the answer at some point

[night grail]

Wait 7

[balmy storm]

Oh that should be once Hunhow and co made it, so post peace!

[tight pagoda]

six s--

[night grail]

Dark verse

[balmy storm]

Deep void with ye

[night grail]

Slash procs be upon ye

[solid otter]

Loid recounts fighting infested, which. Means the biobomb happened before he left, or. Maybe he was in duviri lol

But he was there post biobomb, meaning post old peace

Yayyyy

[night grail]

You
The 5 from the historical extract
Mag prime codex

[balmy storm]

The duviri suicide would be waaay too late by that point I think

[solid otter]

True, but i will give leeway to either

[balmy storm]

It’s possible sometime after the biobomb Albrecht dipped

Like
To 1999 for the final time

[solid otter]

Nodders

[peak minnow]

I should've changed my drifter's hairstyle xD

LESS GOOO
At least drifter can get them women xD

[stoic nymph]

The nice trip I had burned my eyes a little (photosensitivity warning)

It ate the bit rate

[tight pagoda]

Good now date all three at the same time

[balmy storm]

Somehow feels consensual than dating any of the protos at the same time

[solid otter]

I lowkey hate dating lyon, only because Roathe says shit about it that feels like borderline harassment 😭

[balmy storm]

Fork found in kitchen 😭

[gray scarab]

Has anyone seen any differences between the Orion and Sirius trailers?

[balmy storm]

I think it’s just some slightly different shots in terms of colors and maybe order?

[warm scarab]

in the zariman scene in NW is one of the students rell

[balmy storm]

No, he wasn’t in our class ):

[warm scarab]

is he in sped

[balmy storm]

I like to think maybe we were one of the few who are nice to him but
Kids can be cruel

[balmy storm]

He was with his mom at the time of the accident
Have you read the comic?

[warm scarab]

not really

KIDS ARE CRUEL JACK

[balmy storm]

I’ll get it for you one sec’

https://www.warframe.com/en/media/comics/rell

[warm scarab]

beaten boreal

which archon is the easier one

also i presume the last archon left is the one you fight at the end

[solemn elbow]

People called me crazy, but it turns out I was right all along. I called it.

Both Sirius and Orion as characters, or even frames for us to use, in some form.

[uncut solar]

I'm fairly sure they said they gonna be usable

Maybe something like story dependent look

[solemn elbow]

Someone in another server mentioned that Sirius and Orion might be a single, form-changer frame, like Equinox is..

That'd be interesting, since both could play drastically differently and they're both the same person, just two different paths.

[uncut solar]

It could also be straight up one frame since... It is

And we influence how it would look

With the ability to get the other look separately

[solemn elbow]

Wouldn't that imply two separate frames, though?

[uncut solar]

On one hand I don't think they would step on equinox's toes

[solid otter]

Equinox :)

[uncut solar]

On the other hand Nokko curb stomped Qorvex

Haha curb, qorvex

[solid otter]

Heh

Hes da curb..

[uncut solar]

No?

[solemn elbow]

That's what I was referring to initially with a form-changer frame.

[uncut solar]

Same frame, it's still the same frame. With a different name and maybe a skin?

Then you can get the other one separately by farming

[solemn elbow]

I see.

[uncut solar]

It would make sense to me how they described it

[solemn elbow]

Thing is, I get the impression that Sirius and Orion's abilities will be different.

[uncut solar]

They seem fairly equal in the trailer

Just different beam colors

They even had the exact same weapon

[solemn elbow]

Sure, yeah, there's bound to be similarities, especially since Stalker is the only one that could train them.

[uncut solar]

I don't think it'll be separate frames, but I do think it's a single frame we will get some sort of choice over

[solemn elbow]

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[uncut solar]

Yeah

[solemn elbow]

I already know that I'm going for Orion.

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sleeping-sleepy-cat-cat-cute-gif-5647373625706459185

I love green more than red

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-elmo-green-elmo-mscelmo-gif-24557102

[solemn elbow]

Sirius then, huh?

Tbf, there's no wrong answers. Sirius is what Jade would've picked, Orion is what Stalker would've picked.

Both deserve solace in their own rights.

[cerulean kiln]

I wonder what name was picked most

[solid otter]

Eh, I feel as if naming the child after the woman who died birthing him is probably the morally right choice

Anyways, woe

[uncut solar]

Orion reminds me of devilman

[cerulean kiln]

I picked Sirius but I can't keep track of the most picked

[uncut solar]

Most picked is the one I chose

Because there are countless me throughout spacetime

[cerulean kiln]

Eternalism

[uncut solar]

They all picked Sirius

I can feel it

[cerulean kiln]

They all did and they all didn't

[uncut solar]

Yes I am going to war with the other side

[cerulean kiln]

Who let the other Eternalism into the timeline?

[uncut solar]

It's him

It's truly him

[cerulean kiln]

100%

Devilman with a red face

[warm scarab]

greenframe

[undone lodge]

Actually most picked is the one I chose, because there’s more mes than there are yous

[uncut solar]

Not for long.

[stray path]

man they couldve made sirius have some sick ass loincloth and cape type shit too 🙁

but not to worry, fashionframe will save him, it saves everything

[solid otter]

Its likely not the full detailed design, its really simplified for the animation lol

[stray path]

i know i know, its a good design too... i just prefer Orions design and am mad about missing out now 😭

tbf idk how hes gonna work

like why were we given a choice between names

[solid otter]

Idk, theres. Some reason

[warped marten]

yea like rn all we've seen is these

(the line posted the turnarounds)

[copper locust]

Holy I’m excited for this

Will we be able to play as the one we chose in Jade shadows?

I chose Orion, which I assume is the red and black one

[next bronze]

I wanna see the Third Orb

[warped marten]

is sploded

[lofty girder]

Cracked like an egg

[lofty girder]

Current theory iirc is that they're effectively separate warframes with different abilities

That or we're playing a new equinox

[copper locust]

Oh that would be so cool

[next bronze]

Yes but we will learn more about it!

[warm scarab]

sooo is erra uhh

dead dead

[cerulean kiln]

Have you played Veilbreaker?

[warm scarab]

im on new war rn

[cerulean kiln]

Do Veilbreaker then ask the question after

[tame canopy]

Got my dex suit, so I decided to revamp my drifter's B look with it, and purchased a tennogen glasses (blaze oculus)

It probably is a lil busy, but I like my attempt :3

I am aware cogna mask is technically phasing into the hood, that's part of the attempt to construct another "face" beside the hood on mode

The idea is something akin to a techno, futuristic interpretation of a knight lol

at least, for the face : P

[solid otter]

Awwh its cute!!

[tame canopy]

thanks for the kind words thomas
I kinda like the hana ikada signa on my head, it has flower motif, not too dissimilar to my dex suit

[solid otter]

Ye nodders, it does match

[tame canopy]

I'm truly participating in endgame now, the next phase is, of course, orbiter decorating

[zenith jacinth]

consider turning down your bloom setting

[tame canopy]

How do I do that? the flower bits being a bit too glowy is something I was wondering to how amend

Ok so it turns out it's not exactly in the customization of the operator/drifter, I turned it down abit in the display settings

[warm scarab]

are the archon weapons good

[zenith jacinth]

they are certainly weapons

[warm scarab]

are you saying theyre bad im not picking up your cues

[zenith jacinth]

they are as whelming as can be

not good, not bad

[warm scarab]

oh well at least they look good

[tame canopy]

toyed around with colors, so far, suit energy is what decide the flower's colors, and I've found that making the first color black makes the other color... a tad less glowy

the suit color's black and 2 shades of blue from different color scheme lol

[heavy flint]

I saw someone saying that Rebb said our name choice would affect something in the constellations quest… if I replay can I change my name choice to Sirius or is it like alignment choices where you can replay and pick a different one but it doesn’t actually change anything?

[zenith jacinth]

the latter

well, probably. replays never affect anything

[tame canopy]

One of these days, I'll wake up and realized I've become part of the clique who spend more hours fashionframing than playing

[zenith jacinth]

people still use that word?

[hasty plume]

Caught up with the stream and cinematic video

Can't wait for the inevitable: "RIP 3rd orb mother, she got killed by a bazooka" Somachord

[tame canopy]

I thought they still do

[celest hollow]

what word

[warm scarab]

Clique

Man, Veso really went screw you Alad V

[heavy flint]

Oh for goodness sake I JUST WANT TO RENAME THE KID SIRIUS

[zenith jacinth]

Why tho, orion is so much better

[heavy flint]

When I first played all I could picture was Stalker naming his kid Serious (having just made a joke to my friend about ‘hi I’m stalker and this is my kid murder’) so I went with Orion without even hovering over Sirius to see the name thing

As a name I much prefer Orion but Sirius seems to be more in line with Jade and if our name choice affects the quest… I want the Jade named baby

[zenith jacinth]

I haven't seen or heard it in years

[tame canopy]

is it clique, or fashionframing?

If it's the former, I just learned it via osmosis
if its the latter, I guess I just saw that term being thrown around occasionally in other wf spaces

[zenith jacinth]

Clique

[tame canopy]

how shocking, lol
uhhhhh ESL moment, I learned a bunch of vocabulary for my english tests?

I genuinely didn't thought much about it : P

No damm way, I got a new nightmare mod

not hammer shot but it's still something unusual lol

Wait, it's identified, it's.... not a nightmare mod, isnt it?

: P clueless

[deft mist]

Im poor so i cant yet

[tame canopy]

An unfortunate truth....
good fashion is gatekept by money.... 😔

damm, another new mod, how lucky

[deft mist]

Like i probably could i love blue on black though

[tame canopy]

in the operation atramentum event rn there's the cavia color palette which consists of some blue hues so you can buy that one by grinding 3 nightmare missions if you haven't

[deft mist]

Got that

I just got it today

[flat tree]

OH SHIT FR?

https://tenor.com/view/savosandsavos-gif-10098754770260943602

[tame canopy]

yeah they got cavia stuff returning during this op

[deft mist]

I also have kiteer and a couple others i think from baro and varzia

I kinda want the saturated one though

[tame canopy]

Ki'teer's palette, void trader? ah yes, I also have it just recently

[deft mist]

Yeah

Btw dex skin on wisp frames her assets really well btw

[lime estuary]

There is a poll on youtube and most pick is Sirius with 71%

[cerulean kiln]

Close enough

[zenith jacinth]

no, streamlined form is

also, there are two nightmare mods exclusive to rescue missions

[tame canopy]

yeah I saw that by the time I made that comment 😔

[zenith jacinth]

one is hammer shot :)

[tame canopy]

is the other one blaze by any chance?

[zenith jacinth]

purghaps

ye

[tame canopy]

truly astronomically low chances

[zenith jacinth]

yea

[tame canopy]

I might as well trade for them atp : P

But... its not that essential, yet so I can always shelve that thought for later

[zenith jacinth]

indeed

starts farming for the mods

[tame canopy]

Grind is eternalism

[flint oracle]

Is anyone else having weird coloration issues with the Uriel proto skin? His body is the normal blue color but his face is all messed up.

[uncut solar]

Uriel if he was powered by Green

[cerulean kiln]

Warframe lighting is a mess

[flint oracle]

This is the rest of the skin with no color changes and the legs and arms are the right color but his face is still green.

[cerulean kiln]

Uriel forgot he's meant to be blue

[flint oracle]

If you look at his face close up it looks like a white dude with a bad green makeup job.

My friend has the skin and his looks perfectly normal. Could it be a weird color change because of something I did in the KIM story?

[cerulean kiln]

No

It's just lighting being lighting

[stoic nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-shrek-gif-11059558421057598770

[willow wharf]

God, I relate to this far too much.

[wintry stag]

“Inside you are an infinite number of psychopaths, through Eternalism all of them are conceivably accessible. Or, rather, all of them have access to you.”

“Running is useless, but encouraged.”

[willow wharf]

The constant din of existential terror. Tap...tap...tap...
The sound of inevitable indifference.

[willow wharf]

You know, the skatepark setpiece in 1999 is begging for kdrives to be useable there.

[versed cedar]

apparently wally is bugged and shows up with the standard zariman suit?

[hearty pendant]

yea he doesn't inherit your face customizations either most of the time currently
its an odd bug, but one they're aware of

[zenith jacinth]

Rap tap tap*

[rain otter]

I really like letties talk about her mind spiders.

[balmy storm]

Lemme guess
You played when we could bug skin color and you never swapped off?

[versed cedar]

yep!

made my drifter look like shrek

[balmy storm]

Love it lol

[uncut solar]

What about the parents

[balmy storm]

Oh good point actually
What does the photo do with the bug

[night grail]

The photo itself was bugged a while ago

[steep totem]

I tried it with Yareli
It definitely was not meant for K-Drives

[balmy storm]

Well that’s odd lol

[rain otter]

They do have normal werid skin colors now if you want.

It's a item in the represent shop.

[balmy storm]

But not yellow

[rain otter]

Yee.

[willow wharf]

Well, it should be.

[warm scarab]

Damn if you leave Amar as the last archon to kill in NW he doesnt even do the clone gimmick hes literally free fodder

[solid otter]

Puppy :)

[warm scarab]

Not Voruna

[next ginkgo]

damn Loid REALLY wants me to do waverider

[solid otter]

Gave the kid some speed and told em to go wild

[next ginkgo]

is Loid a smuggler?

[solid otter]

Yeah, he is canonically responsible for smuggling tagfer and minn lol

[next ginkgo]

TRUE

think you know a guy

[solid otter]

He also does space weed with Albrecht and greens out

Truly, a man of all time

[next ginkgo]

Albrecht doesn't deserve him

[solid otter]

Albrecht thinks so too

[night grail]

Been so thankful vena isnt nitokh we used to pray for times like this

[solid otter]

Xata..

[obtuse gyro]

Additional thought:

The existence of protoframes from the future implies 2 things:

1. we got albrecht back by the time of that future
2. albrecht still has itchy fingers and hopped forward

[night grail]

Always been a hater of "oh this character that was just introduced should be a protoframe"

Happened with rusalka and nitokh

And I've been vindicated both times now

[solid otter]

Like deadass how would they even reconcile Nitokh being a whole ass abuser, then make her a protoframe 😭

[night grail]

I mean true but it would have just been so forced

Most contrived shit ever 😭

[obtuse gyro]

just dont make her datable like the roundtable

(also dont make her skin available)

[tight pagoda]

Just imagining him in Han Solo's fit

[night grail]

You know people would cry about both of those though

[obtuse gyro]

let them

[night grail]

Xata...

[tight pagoda]

People already crying about Vena being undateable

[night grail]

True!

[tight pagoda]

And I'm guessing Vena is exactly what they were expecting from Nitokh.

"Muahahhaa Blood yes mmmk I'm so insane look I'm licking blood off my claws, let's kill everyone"

[night grail]

Honestly I hope vena has more than that

Like, probably?

[tight pagoda]

I'm praying she does because she'd be dreadfully one-note otherwise

[night grail]

Like marie I fear

[tight pagoda]

And Ryuko is just the same but "A true ninja strikes only once, the blade is an extension of your will, I do not wish to kill you but I must"

[night grail]

I do genuinely hope they touch on the dualism of this all

Because like Ryoku and Sirius are seemingly Lua aligned while Vena and Orion are Sol

[tight pagoda]

Just learned that Albrecht's interrogation room can be found during normal Hollvania missions

Thought it was quest only ngl

[solid otter]

WHUH

TELL ME YOU GOT A SCREENIE.

[fading current]

Wait wait whatttt

[tight pagoda]

Oh I forgot

Probably should've done that huh

[fading current]

I must go see for myself

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[tight pagoda]

Luckily I can just screen record past gameplay

[solid otter]

Im gonna get violent/j

[fading current]

transference noise

[night grail]

I think ive seen it in eta once ever

[tight pagoda]

Alright I clipped it, just gotta upload it to a USB and stuff now

Please hold

[balmy storm]

I’ve seen it a good few times iirc, it’s that one tile with the train

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-stonk-hold-wallace-hold-braveheart-stonks-gif-20142609

[night grail]

I dont think ive noticed a train ever

Seemingly this tile is rare as hell

[onyx pecan]

Hey is anyone else having an issue with their operator voice not being the same that they picked?

My operator has the owl voice but in game, outside of cutscenes, he doesn't sound like owl at all

[hearty pendant]

iirc the operator in-mission barks were never replaced by the new VAs?

[balmy storm]

I wanna say i noticed a bug related to voices but it was on a friend’s stream so idr

[solid otter]

Does it

Perhaps sound like your drifter

[onyx pecan]

No not at all

[solid otter]

Because iirc there is a bug that mixes the voices up

[solid otter]

As in owl drifter lol

[onyx pecan]

I'll have to check but I don't think so

[solid otter]

Oh woah

Empty..

[tight pagoda]

It's nice they made a variant for the seasons too

Since the quest itself is set in Winter

[night grail]

I encountered a walled off tile connected to the entrance crossroads tile

[fading current]

Lmao not a container being there

[night grail]

It was really weird because the enemies in this tile already spawned so there was ZERO techrot in the underground

[tight pagoda]

This was in Mausoleum East: Scaldra Exterminate in case you want to try and find it yourself

[onyx pecan]

Wtf, yo, I was doing an excavation mission on base Uranus and these guys are eating through the health of the excavator in two shots??? Doing nearly 2k damage to it in one hit

Is that a glitch?

[night grail]

I dont think Höllvania really has any mission specific tiles? Its just scaldra missions prioritize the city streets

Theoretically could be in the survival afaik

Am I going to test that though no

[solid otter]

Whuh

What the hell lol

[warm scarab]

huh?

[onyx pecan]

So the operator actually has the voice of heron instead of owl

[solid otter]

Weird

[onyx pecan]

Its really weird

Because its been a problem the entire time and it hasn't been fixed even after beating the entire story

Me and my friend were experiencing a ton a glitches tonight, like I run only a sword on my loadout and certain actions literally made my sword dissappear

Didn't drop it or be disarmed, literally disappeared with no backup

[stoic nymph]

Question, if you stick 5 Tauforged amber archin shards with parkour speed on voruna prime and use dynar’s passive, how far do you go?

[hearty pendant]

far
i did it with regular voruna a while back, don't think prime has anything special in regards to that

[hearty pendant]

#warframe-general message
mm, this also had an invigoration parkour speed buff on top of the tau yellows

[tight pagoda]

Oh and imagine Praedos and all the Mods

[tame canopy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/yufKyNTVj2

Oh hohohohoh burning hate prices about to take a dump lmao

Another victim to the entrati drop it meme

[hearty pendant]

indeed

[tame canopy]

comments are reporting the event shop will sell arcanes too so we are getting another roathe like shop and more victims in the arcane list

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/uFkGQW6xrl

plats aplenty are gonna be exchanging hands soon

[tight pagoda]

Oh yeah the first time this event ran was what caused Energize to be dirt

[tame canopy]

I legit sold some arcane aegis a few days ago for pocket change so theres gonna be more victims of the entrati dump lol

[warped marten]

...no landing craft?

[tight pagoda]

Landing craft is a skin that you can buy

[viral bear]

I never made the jade's son joke here let me make it

Orion(Sirius): Hey Sirius(Orion)! Your planet cracking days are over! Give me the polearm.
Sirius(Orion): If you want it, then you'll have to take it. I think we both already know that.
Orion(Sirius): Had a feeling you would say that.

[viral bear]

90% accuracy would Jade proud of me

[solid otter]

[zenith jacinth]

what

[undone lodge]

when

[viral bear]

(Why) vomvalysts don't have the self destruct sequence like oxium osprey

[warped marten]

someone said they're the same basically and like I don't see it

[solid otter]

You. Do have a point

[lofty girder]

I wonder if proto garuda (i forgor her name) is just a cyberpunk version of jack the ripper, or flat out a serial killer

[viral bear]

The one below sbould be Loba

[uncut solar]

People just be comparing anything with no rhyme or reason

[cerulean kiln]

Thing is red
Must be like this other thing

[tight pagoda]

Yeah pretty similar designs

[dusky acorn]

Are Dax immortals

[solid otter]

No? They can just live longer than most

[dusky acorn]

Like teshen and the one in marro bazaar how old are them now

[cerulean kiln]

1000+

[dusky acorn]

Doesnt this make them immortal like

[cerulean kiln]

No

[solid otter]

Just long living

They can die, we kill them lol

[cerulean kiln]

Are you immortal if healthcare improves?

Extending a human life isn't making them immortal

Only difference is Orokin healthcare improved past a human age limit of 100

[steep totem]

There's a term for that
I don't remember exactly what
But it's used for trees that can effectively live forever if they don't get cut down or succumb to disease

[solid otter]

Functionally immortal

[steep totem]

I think that was it, ye

[tame canopy]

nice, I got a second copy of kuva chakkhur

it's a high numbered one too, hell yeah, 60 chakkhurr coming soon

Ok, if I merge the 51 with the 33, does it turn to 60?

Idk the calcs for fusion but this should be a clear cut case but you never know

[cerulean kiln]

It'll be 56.1% iirc

[tame canopy]

what???

dammit, so it won't be 60 yet?

sadge...

[night grail]

Nitokh and Garuda

Who said that

[tight fulcrum]

About how many Dante/vergil fashion frames are there going to be the second Orion and Sirius release

[visual birch]

Yes

[visual birch]

Nitokh is orokin and would be blue like roathe though she did kinda look blue covered in blood in the animation but that doesnt matter

[night grail]

Yes I'm very aware

[night grail]

I was very happy when her actual design was revealed in neutral lighting that she wasn't orokin

[visual birch]

Personally I think we should be done with orokin

After all they should've died long ago especially the emperors and exectutors

With the sole exception of crossteamer ballas

[night grail]

Well, no. Its like the forerunners they'll almost always be tangentially related because their influence is everywhere

[visual birch]

They should be dead but we should get more lore on them

[cerulean kiln]

Even we have Orokin influence in how we designed things

[visual birch]

Like whats the point of the night of Naga drums if we couldnt even kill the important ones

Ballas makes sense cause he teamed with hunhow

[cerulean kiln]

Ballas it makes sense because he planned the whole thing

People often forget Ballas caused the Naga Drums then get shocked that he survived it

[steep totem]

Tbf, the quest that reveals he planned it is after the one where he shows up alive and well

[chilly pine]

wonder what the next prime resurgance is going to be

[solid otter]

Wanna bet its gonna be related to the next protoframes?

[chilly pine]

hmm ash and garuda? could see it, still need one piece for vectis them im done with ash, and garuda has nothing to offer me

[warm scarab]

Ash and Garuda?

[chilly pine]

now that i think about it, im pretty sure i farmed garuda when she was still unvaulted

[solid otter]

I have her prime but id love her accessories

[chilly pine]

infact i did, i still have her relics

[night grail]

Ash already had one super recently

With the vanguard

[solid otter]

Oh, yeah true

Tbf the vanguard was huge chunk of vaulted primes

[night grail]

And protea and caliban

[chilly pine]

whats funny is caliban having a resurgance, while not being vualted

[solid otter]

Limbo resurgence..

[night grail]

Also protea at that time

[solid otter]

No clue what. Limbo prime's accessories are

[chilly pine]

yeah

[solid otter]

Can. Someone grab those for me

[undone lodge]

Oblivia Prime Syandana

Also
Rift Walker Prime Sigil
Which they used as a chest piece ig?

[solid otter]

How ridiculously boring

[undone lodge]

Ig a full armour piece would’ve been too much at the time

[solid otter]

But. Fair

Limbo prime doesnt have a design you can put things on

[warm scarab]

Any predictions for next prime resurgence?

[night grail]

I hope wukong

[solid otter]

Garuda and mesa, maybe ash

[night grail]

I need his weapons still

[chilly pine]

ash and garuda, were one

[solid otter]

I doubt mesa but considering her heirloom is coming soon

[night grail]

Vanguard frames are really eating rn damn

Time tempests, mesa heirloom, ash protoframe

[chilly pine]

could go for the redeemer prime piece im missing

[solid otter]

Grendel and gauss just got into the vault with yareli and caliban afaik

[chilly pine]

most of what im missing is one single piece of one single weapon and thats it for the entire frames rotation

[night grail]

Wasnt gauss gyre

[solid otter]

Mm, was he?

[night grail]

Yeah I looked at the wiki

December 10th 2025

Old peace release date

[solid otter]

Shit

Yeah so super recent

[undone lodge]

Time Tempests?

[night grail]

The nightwave

[undone lodge]

Oh yeah

[night grail]

Themed around protea and caliban deluxe skins

[light yoke]

i need a bit of help on the tech side. which setting affects the "pixely" make up. i've seen others with the same makeup but looks much more better on theirs

[balmy badger]

You have to use TAA to clean it up.

Unfortunate that the game now has some effects that rely on TAA to look correct...

[tight pagoda]

Was replaying Old Peace a while back and I kinda cut Protea in half

[eager pike]

Wait you can merge Kuva Weapons together?

[tame canopy]

Yes

Valence fusion

[eager pike]

Still need to claim my first Kuva Weapon but the railjack is in the way

[tame canopy]

If its rj builds youre concerned with, do a pub round, youre likely to hit someone with built rj and a group to help fix it up

[eager pike]

No it's the ranking system
I need to be rank 5 in something to visit Saturn for the final fight against the Lich

[zenith jacinth]

You can bypass that by joining a squad for it

[waxen sphinx]

Follie's alt helmet is in the nightwave shop? I thought it was gonna appear next nightwave

[eager pike]

O.o I never knew you could do that
Wait can you join someone else's final Lich fight? I was told you couldn't

[zenith jacinth]

Follie released just before the new nightwave

[zenith jacinth]

You can join if you have your own lich at the confrontation stage

[tame canopy]

Is it intrinsics?

[eager pike]

Yes

[tame canopy]

Rip, lol but do as scrap say and i think that should work

[eager pike]

O.o I done 2 missions and got enough to make it to rank 5

[thick jolt]

Rank 5 isnt that much anyway

I'd say from 8 on it reaaaally drags out

[lethal vortex]

Something don't seem right about devil's triad kim, i shouldn't be on loved with Marie since i broke up with her and started dating Roathe next

[thick jolt]

Triad was never right to begin with

Just constant issues

[tight pagoda]

Can you still Share Some Time with her?

[lethal vortex]

Guess i ain't getting those captura scenes unless i reset

[lethal vortex]

Nope

[tight pagoda]

Phew, I'm still safe then

[lethal vortex]

Wait what you mean by that?

[lethal vortex]

Oh that

When i go to her i don't get that option

[balmy storm]

Something something actual polycule

[lethal vortex]

Wait... Nevermind i am dumb, i am receiving that problem

[tight pagoda]

Welcome to the team then

[lethal vortex]

This bug is gonna be a nuisance for me

[tight pagoda]

Feel free to reset then, I'm happy to be the sole person to romance multiple of the Triad

[lethal vortex]

I am just trying to get the captura scenes

So that later me doesn't try to go for them later

If ya know how i was when i found out that 3 specific bosses (4 now) drops a sumdali

And how i was with that chest attachment with 20 challenges

[tight pagoda]

They also drop Glyphs if you solo them as specific Warframes

[lethal vortex]

I'm aware, and i ain't after all glyphs

I only decided to get a few

1 from each boss

[next ginkgo]

ayo? Sure this is definitely just a ui bug, but my lato pilled brain is already freaking out

[obtuse gyro]

probably its referring to a lato mk-1? Is there a lato mk 1

[next ginkgo]

there isn't, the closest would be aklato

the other weapons list their stuff correctly, including mk-1s

it's likely someone just accidentally added an element in the list, that can easily be done with 1 click in the editor

[tight pagoda]

Tauforged Lato confirmed

[next ginkgo]

I want that so bad

I can't be the only one that started eidolon hunting with that thing instead of rubico prime as soon as ESO came out right?

[amber terrace]

Question about the 1999 calendar challenge whatsits: does Voruna’s UwU pounce kills register as ability kills? They don’t count as melees and I want to know what else they don’t tag for

[obtuse gyro]

they should count as ability kills

[hearty pendant]

should be ability, yes

[obtuse gyro]

even exalteds count as ability kills

[hearty pendant]

voruna 4 counts as melee for her other abilities but nothing else apparently

[celest hollow]

lol

[uncut solar]

It used to not interact with the rest of her kit at all

They purposely patched interactions in, resulting in an inconsistency

[night grail]

THATS THIS WEEK?

SHIT

[next ginkgo]

Yeah

[night grail]

Thank you I never would have looked otherwise

Need that lato adapter

[echo basalt]

ah shit

i should select that too

also its kinda weird we havent gotten a kunai prime yet

[flat tree]

shiny kunai

https://tenor.com/view/counter-strike-gif-25808601

[grave quiver]

lmao my coda name

[amber terrace]

Something I’m curious about, given that the Cavia got void sickness à la radiation poisoning, why didn’t Albrecht get turned into the Void/Murmur equivalent of Chernobyl’s Elephant’s Foot or is that what we see in the Labs?

[obtuse gyro]

what makes you think he didnt

[solid otter]

No clue :) he mightve, he did get.

Kinda sandblasted by the void

If you've never seen what a sandblaster is, lemme show you

[amber terrace]

I mean, I thought what he got was a lot less severe than what the Cavia got? Like Albrecht had to sit in a legally distinct Bacta Tank for a couple months while his boyfriend doted over the tank?

[solid otter]

https://youtube.com/shorts/HyUaWAd1Myc?si=8AyVrM3_3dkl0HZz

This works

[obtuse gyro]

tbvvvvf he didnt have his mind expanded

[solid otter]

So imagine that happening to

His face

[obtuse gyro]

at least not in the same way the cavia got it

[solid otter]

As for void exposure, he. Probably did experience it

[grave quiver]

zeke isnt loving back

[austere flare]

How do I unlock the ending for Loid

Where he meets the Entrati family

[hearty pendant]

get all 3 of the triad to agree, have the entrati family at r5, wait for the roathe + loid convos, visit the necralisk for the cutscene

[vivid wagon]

@hearty pendant i have done all of this but when roath will talk to loid?, should play all the day in sanctuma?

[flat tree]

syndicate ranking up

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-leaving-pepe-peepo-frog-gif-21562981

[hearty pendant]

entrati family r5 isn't even difficult

[vivid wagon]

Yeah i maxed them all
But how can i get roath to talk with loid?

[tame canopy]

Do all 21 runs of descendia, you can skip everything by doing the final boss fight repeatedly

[hearty pendant]

if you meet all of the other requirements, it'll just be one of the convos in the daily pool
if you haven't gotten any convos in a day or two and meet other requirements, it could be bugged

[tame canopy]

Theres 1 convo that is imperative to deciding the ending, independent of the thermostat iirc

[hearty pendant]

thermostat's just for roathe
both lyon and marie have convos that are important for the general loid ending

[tame canopy]

The one where roathe have a spiralling mental breakdown

[tame canopy]

True to this as well

Im proud to say i completed everyones good ending sans roathe without a retry or kimucalrum search

If i recall correctly, for marie you need to convince her of albretch being a complex person, for lyon you have to be kind and considerate to his direct bluntness

[tame canopy]

Jeez the way the pieces disintegrated

I can only imagine the searing pain of this impacting your body 💀

[solid otter]

Yeah, its my favourite example to use when explaining what happened to Albrecht in the void

[tame canopy]

Genuinely its like the molecular makeup of the orange is being disassembled

Dare i say it looks almost like the outcome of a beam clash to the loser in dragon ball lmao

The question on whether albretch has been irreversibly altered from his botched void trip is something he questioned himself and is why he stopped doing continuity iirc

It was an ambiguous matter laid out on the table in his requiem log. Something for us to speculate over

In a way he got a dose of what i imagined the cavia must have felt when they got uplifted under extreme distressing circumstances. Traumatizing existential horror

Is this parallels, I wonder...

Random note but musing on roathe's reactions to ballas and margulis's relationship, I can only imaging how bewildering and astonishing it is for him, whose example of love was from nitokh. We know hes shocked at what was happening but honestly i feel like even the dialogue undersells how it must have been a literal fairy tale romance in his eyes and any other astute observers in the orokin world

Like, im of the opinion that ballas love for margulis is real but is incredibly messed up lol

So what roathe shares for us the drifter must have been as equally bewildering to him as much as basically everybody amongst the orokin lol

[solid otter]

He did the same thing after, threw himself into the void after the cavia, ending up in duviri

[tame canopy]

Oh yeah hes the scholar in scholar's landing according to duviri fragments lul

[solid otter]

Nodders

His own notes say it

It also reads as possibly a suicide attempt :)

[tame canopy]

His complex regarding his own "inherent" cruelty and inability to love 🥀

[solid otter]

"i must atone for what I had done through my own blood"

Made a promise with Loid about. Maybe caring for the cavia

Ends up in duviri

Feels vaguely suicide attempt coded

There's. More to it but im lazy lol

[tame canopy]

It could also be interpreted as part of his... Martyr complex, I think are the words, in That he feels responsible for his rash decision resulting in the botched void trip and thus must put himself into dangerous situations in order to repent for his sins

[solid otter]

Brother thats just suicide with morality 😭

[tame canopy]

Thats true....

Although I feel like it is a valid lens to view his monologues and his course of actions lol

[solid otter]

Yr nodders

Regardless of the interpretation, it was an intentional thing done to. Maybe harm himself? He didn't have a particularly

Great experience last time

[tame canopy]

Thats xata...

The fact he ended up not dying is probably a stroke of luck

Or the void hijinks but idk

💀

Low key this is making me think about the holfast and their dialogue on their deaths and attempt at redemption post death as CEs

[flat tree]

I wonder what would have happened to the Solari in the timeline of constellations

[tame canopy]

Specifically, Im think of these dialogue from hombask and quinn

The part from quinn is actually a legit connection im wondering with albretch's self depreciating attitude toward himself

[solid otter]

Nodders

[tame canopy]

Redemption through death is a legit narrative device some stories employ, and hombask dialogue argues that this is arguably the least difficult way to redeem yourself from your wrongdoings
Quinn's dialogue... It appears to allude to the conflict of rumination about forgiveness in oneself. The conflict in oneself regarding doing wrong, serious, horrible wrongs, and how one could live with themselves afterward

It feels like an allusion to albretch's acting as an agent of evil, performing cruelty, speaking with callousness and denigrating you in the hex

I say acting because albretch was for better or worse, trying to cast himself as a villain in the hex, and I can only assume that his actions with roathe indicate he would know full well that loid's reunion would cast him in even worse light to his family's eyes

The holfast made peace with their past, acknowledged their state of present being as-is, and at rank 5, now aspires to the future, to move beyond their wrongdoings to redeem their ruinous mistakes

[solid otter]

Its funny actually, only.
Grandma and daughter seem to have that big of a problem with it

[tame canopy]

Albretch.... I feel hes still stuck to his past, or perhaps its more apt to say his past haunts him still

[solid otter]

Mm. Trauma if you will

Unresolved trauma won't ever leave

Hell even resolved trauma won't

[tame canopy]

Tbf son and father said loids reunion and subsequent discovery of albretch fate gave mother unfathomable amounts of grief, with son pitying her and father feeling remorseful about her sorrows so I think theyre soured about albretch indirectly

Also apparently per grandmother words, albretch left murals of himself that implies hes gonna depart from the mortal coil aka being dead so thats straight up lying to his family

[hearty pendant]

iirc that was referring to the requiem logs

[solid otter]

Nodders

They have. New lines

Mother is generally

Normal, mellowed out even

Daughter is the only one thats really pissed

[hearty pendant]

which end with "i will not take the kuva now, or ever again" and "to cosmic forms from tanget planes, we end as we began"
which are not exactly 'everything's fine' phrases

[solid otter]

Lying in the family is no big issue, they have attempted to kill each other several times

At dinner of all places

Incredibly rude

[solid otter]

Good on mother for knowing it was bullshit tho

[tame canopy]

I mean, fairs but at the same time we the tenno helped mend the family so funnily enough this variety in reactions is probably a healthy-ish direction lol

[solid otter]

Either that or denial is a river in egypt

I think grandma is more upset about being outwitted lol

[tame canopy]

Oh yeah i subscribe to the belief grandma is lowkey seething she got outplayed. she can acknowledged she got outwitted but that doesnt mean shes not gonna have opinions™ about it

[solid otter]

Her current opinions on the matter seem

More neutral overall

[tame canopy]

Which is honestly a good direction for grandmother imo. Shes the mastermind behind the heart of deimos quest lmao, and son even got dialogue about how grandmother not being a solider or scientist gave her more flexibility in the family than anyone else so i always felt her velvet glove of kindness got steel hands behind them

[tame canopy]

She has to, shes probably the socialite navigating politics the best out of everyone

[solid otter]

Some new lines that got updated with shadowgrapher

[uncut solar]

I wonder how much weight is actually given to the body dying in the orokin society

You can just... Continue

[tame canopy]

Damm didnt know they got more lines

[wild wind]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bart-say--k01KQ6WTE0T2N4RGXHJRM2BH1HX

[uncut solar]

Yeah they keep adding lines

[tame canopy]

She legit even speaks about the heart of deimos lmao

[wild wind]

Begin. Again.

[tame canopy]

Even her scheme to mend the family didnt work to get him to come out

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-gif-26526118

[wild wind]

I need to actually make an edit where he says the Warframe line

[tame canopy]

Whos the people in their relationship? I assume thats Nitokh and roathe? And whats the legems?

[solid otter]

Albrecht and Loid, as toxic and abusive as Nitokh and Roathe's relationship was, it was still fine by the legems

The legems are their laws

[solid otter]

Son and Daughter's lines

Son can tolerate Albrecht leaving lol

And father and mother lines

[tame canopy]

Lots of cool lines lol

[tame canopy]

Son is so melodramatic in a funny way lol

[solid otter]

Mhm, Loid is canonically handsome too lol

Thank you son

[tame canopy]

Is daughter legit fantasizing about eating fibonaccis brain

💀

Also wait dad knows about murmur?

[uncut solar]

Her whole job is to teach you how to cut fish

I bet she taught Kahl how to make banger sushi for the garrison

[solid otter]

Mhm, hes the one who was interested in the ruins

Hes why we are sent to the isovaults after he does shit there lol

[tame canopy]

So father is our canonical reason isovaults exist? Wild

Ngl i forgot if there was much lore on them cuz i barely do them

I only check in for the nightwave when it comes up

[solid otter]

The isovaults have

[uncut solar]

Unsurprisingly, considering he's also the father of necratech

[solid otter]

A whole bunch of lore actually

[uncut solar]

[tame canopy]

Huh. Thats a TIL for me on isovaults

[uncut solar]

And his surname is also attached to Gyre Deluxe

So his family has quite a history with making weird mechanical stuff that kills things and seems vaguely alive

[solid otter]

Isovaults are

Horrific :)

[uncut solar]

And has a corpse involved smewhere in the process

[tame canopy]

The concept that the puzzle at the end gate is canonically a sanity check and not a difficulty check lol

[warm scarab]

so like

[tame canopy]

I know its easy but its funny to me that easyness is implied to be in lore

[warm scarab]

how do i actually open vaults

[solid otter]

Its easy cuz we ain't insane :)

[uncut solar]

Debatable

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-insane-dance-crazy-cat-gif-10287636470586960031

[solid otter]

Find the vault, follow necraloid and defend him, go back to the vault with him, and put the glyphs in from top down

Good idea to get a screenie of it

[tame canopy]

Yep screenshot is a good aid for memorizing the symbols

I recall its a sequence memorization puzzle

[hearty pendant]

what, you don't remember the names and symbols of the requiems? /s

[solid otter]

Also im p sure you can even heal necraloid's health with your amp, for some reason

[solid otter]

Smh whats this then

[tame canopy]

Damm guess I must be too crazy for the test

[hearty pendant]

vome obv

[solid otter]

Realistically its 8 words, i know more pigeon breeds 😭

[solid otter]

💔

I struggle with the visuals

[hearty pendant]

you hit one of two that i actually remember lmfao

[solid otter]

They all just look like scribbles

[solid otter]

The other being xata lol

[hearty pendant]

the other is

[solid otter]

HA KNEW IT

[thick jolt]

Squished cheetos

[solid otter]

I know. Xata, Jahu, Netra and Vome

netra looks like the labs, as in. Netracells

is easy cuz

Jahu gargoyle and the jahu thing of Albrecht you can buy

Xata cux

......

[tame canopy]

I dont remember anything except maybe vome

[solid otter]

And Vome because the time someone said that aint vome thats home

[uncut solar]

I call this one "Samus" :3

[solid otter]

Oh it does look like samus

[hearty pendant]

should be easy it's literally an hourglass for Time

[solid otter]

Fun fact, i once told someone Samus is a woman and they lost their shit at me

[tame canopy]

No way for real why

[solid otter]

Cuz

Men are cringe sometimes

[tame canopy]

Its such an old fact atp its like being mad about vader being lukes father

[thick jolt]

Lol

[tame canopy]

Lol, lmao even

[solid otter]

True... I think the only ones I struggle with are. Fass and Ris

[solid otter]

Australia is weirdly isolated to the degree folk don't have these spoilers

[tame canopy]

Ris and rizz are similar
Coincidence? /s

[solid otter]

Ive seen folk try and say bayonetta is catholic lol

[thick jolt]

Ris is like a little pedestal with a glowing gem so light

[solid otter]

Yeah, i can see that too

[uncut solar]

Isn't she a witch

[solid otter]

She is 😭

[tame canopy]

Isolated... Like theyre in vaults, mayhaps?

[uncut solar]

And she trades halos of dead angels with a fallen angel who's a weapon smuggler

[solid otter]

Thats ignoring

Literally everything bayonetta does

[warm scarab]

are you saying australia is deimos actually