spoiler-chat

[night grail]

No like the bot here hit me i was in the quarantine channel

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-go-my-scarab-gulphagor-warframe-gif-4880873392325418247

[zenith jacinth]

Generally neither are ok but alright

[tight pagoda]

Devs apparently said they're more lenient with lewder content, it's the hate symbols that they're wanting to enforce penalties for

[zenith jacinth]

Hmmmmmmm

Makes sense considering heirlooms and stuff actually

[undone lodge]

Pinwheels?

Always Take A Gamble

[rugged warren]

amanata does gamble doesn’t it and a frame?

[lofty girder]

Swastikas

[undone lodge]

ohh

[fringe pond]

Spicy pinwheel……?

This is the most confusing innuendo ever

[tight pagoda]

A Hindu symbol that then was used by a certain political party during WW2, permanently turning the symbol of positive feelings into a symbol of hate

[deft mist]

He was my first prime.amd yes he is rss heavy i had to switch to lavos prike as soon as i got him

[weak harness]

Is it just me or does this angle make it look like Marie's boss intro?

Just put

French nun
Marie Leroux

on the side of the screen and instead of granting you a buff, she's now the boss of this floor.

[waxen sphinx]

What is happening in games. Fortnite is going downhill (well its always happening), prices increasing for physical games, more price increase for PC's, and now Rec Room, what used to be the most fun vr game, is now shutting down servers. The only good news ive seen about games lately is JUST the shadowgrapher update and thats it. Everything else is just depressing

[balmy storm]

DE is a bastion in these hard times

[zenith jacinth]

Capcom is kinda just vibin too

[uncut solar]

Capcom?

With their 5 million paid cosmetics in monster hunter

And horrible way sf6 is handling character purchases

[zenith jacinth]

Ah yes, because no other game does that

[solid otter]

Idsoftware! Idsoftware is cool!

[zenith jacinth]

bias

[solid otter]

As if this aint your bias

[zenith jacinth]

But generally no news is good news so the fact that I never hear of em says yea

[zenith jacinth]

Partially but also if that's the only complaint it's kinda silly

[solid otter]

Theyve had. One major controversy but thats more Zenimax and Marty Stratton, not. Idsoftware

Its not really in their games yk its just the Mick Gordon controversy

[uncut solar]

I thought that's the point

That you meant they're not like others in the current market

[zenith jacinth]

No?

[uncut solar]

And yet they sell their games at 80 mark and have questionable monetization all the same

[solid otter]

Doom the dark ages was... 70...

[uncut solar]

Sorry, misunderstood you then

The dark ages is where I live because I don't have a ray tracing card

[solid otter]

Its for a cool reason! I swear!

[zenith jacinth]

The point was that everything is just going off the deep end and capcom is just hanging out in a neutral zone

The games are expensive but worth the price, the cosmetics is just a standard these days

Hek it's better than many games which sell stuff with actual gameplay impact

[uncut solar]

Dragon's dogma 2 was not worth the price

[solid otter]

The skins in doom are mainly earnable by. doing things

[fierce kiln]

deluxe edition 110€, larger number than in USD despite the euro being the stronger currency

[uncut solar]

I was a massive fan of the first game, sequel felt like a spit in my face for wanting a sequel

[zenith jacinth]

Rare exception

[solid otter]

Deluxe includes DLC later on dw

[uncut solar]

Sorry I just had to bring it up

[fierce kiln]

i wasnt impressed by the combat i refunded it

[solid otter]

Here i am with. A $400usd collectors

USD. AUD.

I mean aud 💔

[zenith jacinth]

I do dislike that capcom refuses to do anyghing with ōkami beyond putting it in other games

[uncut solar]

First game had this troubling and sad story about how they didn't have time or money and they had to cut a lot. So the finished product is a weird barely finished masterpiece with really cool and unique things to it

[solid otter]

Not for everyone, I really like it tbh

[uncut solar]

And then second game you'd think they finally have time and money they need

[fierce kiln]

thats fair

[solid otter]

I hated doom eternal

[waxen sphinx]

DE please buy Rec room /joking

[uncut solar]

They didn't. It was just a rehash of the first game with less???? Content

[fierce kiln]

ive been playing zoomer shooters faster paced than eternal

[solid otter]

I hate it. It doesnt feel like any past doom game yet somehow it set the standard for the whole series????

[uncut solar]

Isn't it all the rage now

Ultra fast pseudo retro shooters

[solid otter]

Ive seen folk legitimately upset that. Doom 3, the horror game, wasn't. Fast

[uncut solar]

The Civvie 11 videogames

[solid otter]

Yeah, its pretty popular rn, I do blame eternal for that

[fierce kiln]

i love games with weapon quickswapping and memorizing binds for like 10 weapons lol

[uncut solar]

I thought it was because of Ultrakill

[fierce kiln]

id say ultrakill has also inspired a lot of indies

[uncut solar]

It showed up earlier than Eternal

[solid otter]

Mm, ironically, ultrakill has inspiration from a past idsoftware game

Quake... we still talk about you...

[zenith jacinth]

I love game with quickswapping weapons
This is a bloodborne reference

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/living-failure-dad-bloodborne-meme-gif-23772598

[fierce kiln]

turbo overkill is closer to quake if it was even faster paced than something like ultrakill, its made by the guy who made the original and now remade total chaos that once was a doom mod

[uncut solar]

There's also Postal Brain Damaged

[fierce kiln]

overkill's literally my goty 2023 that games a gem

[solid otter]

YAYYY

[uncut solar]

The Ultrakill-like postal game

[solid otter]

Postal brain damage's announcement trailer directly references doom eternal iirc

Ik. It references it somewhere

[uncut solar]

It references a lot of things

[fierce kiln]

ik most of these shooters have a dopefish hidden somewhere lol

[uncut solar]

Such is the nature of postal

[solid otter]

Another idsoftware gem

Commander keen!

[uncut solar]

There was some shooter recently released with a whole hidden dopefish level

[solid otter]

QOAH

[uncut solar]

Like cow level in diablo, but it's full of dopefish

[solid otter]

Idsoftware is. Everywhere

[uncut solar]

There's also a dark side to Id software

I remember when at some point they released a bunch of mobile games which were just legally distinct clones of other popular games at the time

But with a coat of paint that looks like their games

[solid otter]

Mhm, mm. Was that. God. I wannnna say before 2016?

[uncut solar]

It was around Eternal's announcement

[solid otter]

OHHH

YIU MEAN MIGHTY DOOM?

[uncut solar]

That was one of them yes

[solid otter]

Oh i do legitimately miss that game

[uncut solar]

It's just a shameless clone of the game Archero

[solid otter]

I. Dont think that one was actually idsoftware? It was another bethesda thing tho iirc

[fierce kiln]

takes one step in starfield, gets 4 loading screens

[uncut solar]

Publisher, yeah

[solid otter]

Thats bethesda smh

[fierce kiln]

GatoEpicoSmile

[solid otter]

Fun fact, idsoftware did the gun gameplay for fallout 4

[uncut solar]

Back in my days

I played half life 2 and loading screens were like a jumpscare

[solid otter]

Back in my day microsoft DIDNT OWN EVERYTHING

[zenith jacinth]

One of the 3 good things about fo4

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[fierce kiln]

if i hate one thing they did to doom it is the absolutely unapologeticly plothole ridden writing they begun in eternal and went further on in dark ages

[uncut solar]

What are the others

[solid otter]

Wdym?

Because chances are the plot hole might just be missed lore

[fierce kiln]

we were promised to learn what happened between 2016 and eternal in ancient gods 😭

[solid otter]

The dlc story is great

[zenith jacinth]

The weapon modding and power armor actually feeling like power armor

[uncut solar]

I love base building in fo4 :3

[solid otter]

Oh, that. Isnt really a plot hole?

[fierce kiln]

especially dagoth has been the controvercial topic

[solid otter]

We know what happened

[zenith jacinth]

...4 good things

[solid otter]

He got thrown into hell, did some shit, and thats it

He didn't do much

[solid otter]

...davoth.

[fierce kiln]

well we still dont know where he got that fortress

[uncut solar]

It could've easily been a standalone game

:(

[solid otter]

Yeah we do? Its old night sentinel tech

Specifically his own

[uncut solar]

Bethesda should start doing base builder simulator games

[solid otter]

It deadass might be the kreed's ship

[uncut solar]

This whole system is still amazing in Starfield

[solid otter]

Doom lore and I do not play around

Samuel was always intended to be the seraphim, at the very least Vega was always supposed to be the father

Davoth as a whole was new but its rectified by TDA explaining some lore

[zenith jacinth]

Nah dagoth ur is in doom now

That. Is not what I replied to

[solid otter]

Depending on if he has a soul or not, that might be a bad idea

[zenith jacinth]

Discord please

[fierce kiln]

oh right one thing they kinda changed the premise on him getting those slayer powers by samuel, which def at the time wasnt ment to imply he was then used as a dog on a leash 😭

[solid otter]

Oh

That. Is new but not shocking

Its supposed to be a parallel to 2016's tether

[uncut solar]

Speaking of a dog on a leash

[zenith jacinth]

What

[uncut solar]

Voruna prime soon!!!

[solid otter]

We did not know a lot about his time with the night sentinels

[balmy storm]

Huge hype

[zenith jacinth]

You have summoned ducky

[balmy storm]

No I’ve been here
Watching y’all talk about not warframe

[fierce kiln]

oh yeah and that whole new dimension wit cthuluh they added that hasnt really been relevant ever until now, ik nothing bad about it but it just feels like they want to expand an universe when they kinda concluded its story already so you should not make like major additions like that

[solid otter]

Depending on if they has a soul or not, its a bad idea for them to be there, yk. Prime target for. The demons

[balmy storm]

I wonder if her prime will be like Titania’s, where the special new anims are only tied to the prime
I’d hope not tbh

[solid otter]

Oh no i do hate the cosmic realm but the wraiths are. Not known to anything lol

It was one of the major speculations with them, either that or some corrupted maykr

[balmy storm]

Why does Titania Prime have that even
Ider why they did it like that lol

[zenith jacinth]

He's a god, how can you kill a god? What grand and intoxicating innocence!

[solid otter]

That happens regularly in doom, move along

[balmy storm]

I’m really hoping that new ephemera will look good on all fours
I’m assuming it will

[solid otter]

Wait what thats so weird 😭

[balmy storm]

Also
Fourth tail ephemera

[balmy storm]

Yeah!
If you have both you can check
Unless they fixed that at some point

[fierce kiln]

"waiter! more tails please!"

[solid otter]

I do not :(

[zenith jacinth]

The joke is that that's where ytbers usually cut him off to kill him

[solid otter]

Oh. I know nothing about him

[balmy storm]

Titania was made before special frame anims for walking and stuff but her prime came out after Wisp so they added it to her prime

[zenith jacinth]

They should make a tail syandana

[solid otter]

The autistic penguin i have in my pocket might know

[balmy storm]

I think I saw one on the workshop

[fierce kiln]

id expected them to add it to the base frame too, at least in vorunas case

[balmy storm]

Do not sleep on visiting the steam workshop for Warframe

[zenith jacinth]

It's unfair that wing ppl get all the fun of stacking cosmetics

[fierce kiln]

expecially with how much of a positive impact the running on all fours has to her theme

[balmy storm]

I would too, but again, Titania Prime
But they have learned from their mistakes a lot and this isn’t the old guard lol

[solid otter]

Mm, non prime Titania walks

[balmy storm]

Wings are a bit more acceptable as a back cosmetic tbf
Tails are muuuch lower

[balmy storm]

Her prime is just better, clearly

[solid otter]

It legitimately is

OH I GOT TO ADD MORE TO THE

SHRINE

[zenith jacinth]

As if the tail ephemeras aren't halfway up the spine

[uncut solar]

We do have some that aren't, right?

The coda, the Voruna one, the Voruna one again

[zenith jacinth]

The two vorunas are the ones I was referring to

[uncut solar]

Ah

[zenith jacinth]

There's a coda tail ephemera?

[uncut solar]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Yeah it’s cool :]

[zenith jacinth]

Huh

[balmy storm]

That’s why I said we have four tails now
And three of them are Vorunas LOL

[zenith jacinth]

What does it look like

[uncut solar]

@zenith jacinth

[zenith jacinth]

Hmmmm

Yea I gotta go back to killing 500 codas

[uncut solar]

🫡

[balmy storm]

You’ll finally get the tail at 501

[uncut solar]

There won't be an end to chasing this tail

[zenith jacinth]

Although I did want to get some lich and sis ephemeras too

And tenet duplo diplos

[balmy storm]

Duplos is funni

[zenith jacinth]

I just have an addiction to akimbo guns

[balmy storm]

I like its gimmick

[uncut solar]

What are your thoughts on felarx?

[zenith jacinth]

YYYYEEEE-

[balmy storm]

The akimbo part isn’t the best part of felarx
But that part is still fun

[zenith jacinth]

It's just as good as the regular

[uncut solar]

Yeah people are just too obsessed with the negative crit

There's like one Incarnon that's geniunely not very good nor worth using

[balmy storm]

It doesn’t carry the same impact for me, it also feels slower

[uncut solar]

And it's for a weapon that's not very good nor worth using

[balmy storm]

It’s still really good
I love the felarx

Got the nigh infinite ammo build

[zenith jacinth]

It is slower but that's why we use the reload->fire rate evolution

[balmy storm]

Real

The felarx’s incarnon for me is just a nice bonus, not what I need active all the time like some other incarnons

[zenith jacinth]

The inc has the benefit of free infinite body punch through and massive hitboxes

[balmy storm]

Truuuue

I love that they’re little guys

Like idk what but they’re modeled to just be lil guys you shoot iirc

Kaz cooked

[zenith jacinth]

Doves/birds

[solid otter]

Whuh what

[zenith jacinth]

Because bird hunting shotgun

[balmy storm]

OOOOH

yeah I can see that

We just got two birds and we’re shootin’ eggs

[solid otter]

You can't just tell me theres little bird guys

Without showing me the little bird guys

[zenith jacinth]

I can, watch this

There's little bird guys

[uncut solar]

These?

[solid otter]

That kinda looks like a bird

[balmy storm]

Kaz made them to be lil guys

I can kinda see it

[solid otter]

But also kinda looks like.. GULPHAGOR

[uncut solar]

Felarx is bird 1 and bird 2

[balmy storm]

omg…

[zenith jacinth]

Nah it's bird 1 and 4

[solid otter]

We're bird 4

[uncut solar]

Wuk

[solid otter]

Wuk

[zenith jacinth]

Wenk

[balmy storm]

Wuk

[cerulean kiln]

Does that make Titania bird 6?

[balmy storm]

She’s a fairy/butterfly

[uncut solar]

Titania isn't a bird

[balmy storm]

Zephyr is bird 6 tho

[uncut solar]

Zephyr erasure

[balmy storm]

Dante is bird 7

[zenith jacinth]

"She was a fairy"

[solid otter]

Noctua is. Bord 8

Bord...

[zenith jacinth]

Bord

[uncut solar]

The big one

[balmy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/she-was-a-fairy-she-is-a-fairy-fairy-grandpa-meme-gif-3734059020027068100

[uncut solar]

The bord

[balmy storm]

Sir, that is a book

[solid otter]

The paragrimm Albrecht has in his labs are. Bird 9

I MEAN THE BIRD INSIDE

[uncut solar]

You just never let it fly

[zenith jacinth]

I just wheezed into my water bottle bc of this

[uncut solar]

What about the duviri bird?

[zenith jacinth]

A bird-like book

[solid otter]

Albrecht has one inside his labs

[cerulean kiln]

What hasn't Albrecht got inside his labs?

[balmy storm]

Had to find the perfect gif

[balmy storm]

Birds ?-? (There’s a low of them)

[uncut solar]

The one with Teshin, i think?

[zenith jacinth]

Me

[solid otter]

Himself

[cerulean kiln]

He's on the walls though

[uncut solar]

He was there in whispers intro

So it had both

Bluebrecht and jotarobrecht

[cerulean kiln]

Actually
He hasn't got a loving family in his labs

[uncut solar]

That's more Albrecht any other place has seen

[uncut solar]

I am pretty sure his family used to be around the labs?

[zenith jacinth]

Loid

[cerulean kiln]

DE wrote that they are banned from knowing

[uncut solar]

Bringing Mother to the lab in a big pot

[balmy storm]

Just plant some gray strain down there and she’ll come when the flesh flower blooms

Terrible sentence

[steep totem]

imagine she uses an Ekhein to move around

[uncut solar]

Getting over it

Finally

[thick jolt]

As far as i understand there's two distinct labs

The ones we go to in the mother bounties, and the sanctum
And as i understand the family does not know of the sanctum

[cerulean kiln]

Wally will eat it all up removing any trace

[balmy storm]

My immediate thought was using it as a pogostick but that’s better

[balmy storm]

Why didn’t he do that with the vessels then

[zenith jacinth]

The bounties are vaults not labs

[uncut solar]

Getting Over It with Albrecht Entrati

[cerulean kiln]

Because the Vessels make an excellent weapon

[balmy storm]

Why didn’t he destroy the tiny bit of infestation for Roathe’s dumb time portal

[thick jolt]

I'd assume the general area to have had labs, since for example the heart would be in that "layer" and the vault itself is only the last optional part

[cerulean kiln]

He’s too indifferent for anything that isn’t Albrecht or immediate family

[solid otter]

He aint indifferent he's mildly malicious towards roach. Looming over his ass

[balmy storm]

He is not indifferent towards the Orokin
Roach is an Orokin

[solid otter]

I mean..Mother had to be somewhere during the void incident

[balmy storm]

If you mean the first one, she was literally there

She was there when the fingers fell, in a way she’s the one to cut the fingers

[solid otter]

Oh ducky did I tell you? Mother doesn't like her old name, something to do with. Pressure. Though. Knowing what we know now, it might not be fully because of Albrecht..?

[cerulean kiln]

He only actually cares about Orokin who actually used his flesh

We aren’t told if Roathe used flesh are we

[solid otter]

Ducky do you think i don't know that 😭 i was meaning she might be aware of the labs or another set of labs depending on how you interpret Albrecht's. Requiem logs i think?

[balmy storm]

His gripe seems to be with them all
And
They kinda all did use his flesh

You think Roach got to Tau the old fashioned way?

[solid otter]

OH THID ID ABOUT WALLY NOT LOID

[balmy storm]

YEAH LOL

[solid otter]

Its like 4:45am i aint

[balmy storm]

She also def knows something, we don’t know if the labs with Loid and the Cavia were the original ones or what

[solid otter]

She does have new lines, if you don't mind hearing them

She is angry over duviri and thats funny

[cerulean kiln]

It’s morso

“The Orokin who used the flesh I hate” based on the dialogue

He would’ve realistically got there the same way we did with the rail

Is it mentioned the rail uses the fingers?

[balmy storm]

They use FTL travel and at minimum use the Heart

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder if there's a fingie in the heart

[balmy storm]

I don’t think fingers go there

[cerulean kiln]

Open it up and find out

[zenith jacinth]

brb gonna call grandma for a round 2 of heart of deimos

[solid otter]

If Loid doesn't murder you for it, sure

[cerulean kiln]

I’m sure Father can fix it anyway

[zenith jacinth]

lodi can't take on a warframe

...lodi

[solid otter]

... are you sure

[zenith jacinth]

yes

humans are weaker than frames

[cerulean kiln]

Honestly can’t remember

Why wouldn’t father fix the heart?

[uncut solar]

can Loid shieldgate?

[balmy storm]

He can doublejump

[solid otter]

He angrily stomped over to fight eldritch horrors without a hint of fear and made it out alive.

He can take a warframe i think

[zenith jacinth]

can't go there

[balmy storm]

You’re giving him too much credit
He can not take a Warframe

[solid otter]

No but apparently can take on the fragmented one with no issue

I should sit down and let Loid kill it

[steep totem]

Blue kuva
Assuming Albrecht had a stash, Lodi Loid could use some to temporarily command a warframe

[cerulean kiln]

I’ll just give him fake transference tech like what Silvana used

[solid otter]

Powerscaling Loid

[balmy storm]

That’s not fake, it’s just not innate 😭

[cerulean kiln]

Loid would definitely use the miscalculation frame

[solid otter]

Limbo prime out in this

... world i guess

Go my limbo

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-limbo-warframe-limbo-limbo-prime-prime-gif-20418277

[cerulean kiln]

They even have very similar base designs

[solid otter]

Look..

[zenith jacinth]

if loid becomes a proto I'm gonna bite the blullet and farm up the rest of limbo prime that I need

[uncut solar]

it would be the only new proto i accept

[zenith jacinth]

I'll do it eventually no matter what bc I like limbo but he'd speed it up

[uncut solar]

they did say limbo rework is on the pipeline, right?

[balmy storm]

I’ll accept any proto that actually fits into their update and is made as a character first, skin second

[zenith jacinth]

so anything but the triad heeho

[solid otter]

Which loid fits into!

[uncut solar]

they shouldve made warframe 1899

[zenith jacinth]

...I should get a jack frost pfp

[solid otter]

It makes sense... it makes sense i swear

[uncut solar]

instead of ax and vesper, its a sword and a crossbow

[balmy storm]

Maybe!
They can’t just slap him into any update, it needs to be relevant

[uncut solar]

and we are fighting against random evil religious people

[zenith jacinth]

so the most overdone weapon type and one of the most forgotten ones

[solid otter]

It would be. Around. Maybe Tau

[uncut solar]

theres a 1899 victor

he is still voiced by Newbon

[balmy storm]

Like Loid gets infected and has to inject himself but oop we just found some new protos at the same time so part of the story is a focal point of Loid figuring this stuff out while attending to normal duties

[zenith jacinth]

how many crossbows are there? 2?

[solid otter]

I could live on jist Loid OHMS GOD THE FLOOF

WHEN IS BARO

[uncut solar]

3, 2 out of 3 have a prime

[balmy storm]

4
Zhuge, Garuda’s and the primes

[red kiln]

we have five
Zhuge/Prime
Nagantaka/Prime
Attica

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah attica :)

[zenith jacinth]

primes don't count seperately

[uncut solar]

so 3

[red kiln]

oh fair enough

[balmy storm]

They do if they have unique mechanics

I don’t think any of those do tho

[zenith jacinth]

even then they don't

[thick jolt]

Ballistica

[thick jolt]

Ballistica

Which is getting an incarnon

[balmy storm]

Actually excited ngl

[uncut solar]

oh yeah

[red kiln]

I mean, that’s a secondary but I guess it’s crossbow enough(?)

[zenith jacinth]

it's a hand crossbow

[uncut solar]

ballistica prime also had the ghost gimmick

[zenith jacinth]

akballistica when DE

[uncut solar]

i wonder if incarnon will work with it

[red kiln]

I’m still a Rakta truther

[balmy storm]

If the prime version incarnon still makes the ghost then I’m happy

[zenith jacinth]

lemme cosplay my funny bg3 rogue build

[uncut solar]

oh hey

not a swords bard, thats commendable

[solid otter]

Yall use specific weapons

[zenith jacinth]

yeeahhhh
-# pushes dual rapier bard behind wall

[solid otter]

Me and my Paladin with. Sword™

[thick jolt]

Dunno if i am hallucinating it but somehow i remember an npc with dual ballisticas

[timid remnant]

Probably a red veil NPC during chains of harrow

[uncut solar]

random unnamed sword forgotten by larian in a box that is entirely unique yet lacks any distinct features

those are the weapons worth an entire playthrough for

[zenith jacinth]

?

[solid otter]

Literally what I use

Random named sword go

[zenith jacinth]

tbh my favorite weapon is the sword of screams

[red kiln]

any slow-firing high damage shotgun

my brain tingles every time my Corinth goes off

[thick jolt]

Throwable boots that return

[limpid nest]

Why did you Skip Styanax and instead prime Voruna ?

[thick jolt]

Because the "order" is just made up by the community

[limpid nest]

Smh

[thick jolt]

And when the stuff they made up isnt followed they cry about it

[zenith jacinth]

asking as if there's any staff here

[balmy storm]

DE does what DE wants and they want Wolf girl asap

[zenith jacinth]

voruna is 10000x better than styanax

[limpid nest]

Voruna is just like 30 other frames

[uncut solar]

we only saw a pattern of releases that kept reappearing, then they decided to break it

[balmy storm]

Also Styanax ate enough, he can wait a bit more

[uncut solar]

there was nothing official

[uncut solar]

Voruna has high build variety

[balmy storm]

Xaku :]

[uncut solar]

shes a very unique frame

mecha set in a box

[zenith jacinth]

ha, no. styanax is

[uncut solar]

styanax is a weapon platform that has a lobotomy move

that stops your brain from working

[limpid nest]

Styanax is unique, Voruna is a female Ash

[thick jolt]

The order people give me the vibes of that one kid who decides one sidedly you were competing and then shows up out of nowhere to say they won

[red kiln]

this is a take of all time

[balmy storm]

Incorrect

[uncut solar]

ok have you actuall played voruna

[zenith jacinth]

HAHAHA

[red kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cretoi-icssmoke-gif-18150152580473674997

[balmy storm]

I think they just play styanax

[uncut solar]

because the only insult she takes is "shes just a mecha set and kubrow abilities in a warframe"

[red kiln]

what do they share besides invisibility and a high damage 4th 😭😭

[uncut solar]

styanax players are either mindlessly spamming 4

[mental echo]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-guardians-of-the-galaxy2-peter-quill-star-lord-star-lord-what-gif-24549462

[uncut solar]

or subsuming it to play him as a platform

[balmy storm]

A “teleport”
I
Guess..?

[uncut solar]

the statistics are very sad unfortunately

Voruna does not have a teleport

[red kiln]

She has a lunge, yeah

[uncut solar]

it doesnt ignore terrain

[balmy storm]

I’m glad I got him for free
Ez subsume

[waxen sphinx]

Styanax prime is being saved for tennocon to be the 50th prime

[mental echo]

I don’t think you’ve like. Played voruna at all

Tf you mean she’s like ash

[balmy storm]

I don’t think he’s the 50th prime :?

[solid otter]

Technically 51st if we count excal prime, right?

[uncut solar]

maybe its bait

i will choose to think its bait, ill go back to building nezha

[mental echo]

Real

[limpid nest]

I play every frame a lot

[waxen sphinx]

Yeah but excal prime isnt obtainable. And umbra doesnt count either since hes separate

[zenith jacinth]

what's your in game name

[mental echo]

YAY FACT CHECKING

[zenith jacinth]

lemme fact check

[uncut solar]

ok this is funny

[balmy storm]

Just counted
Voruna’s the 50th prime
If we count Umbra then Gyre was the 50th
If we count Umbra Prime then Caliban was the 50th

[solid otter]

Every frame they own, not every frame that exists

[balmy storm]

Now I do have issues with numbers so feel free to fact check me https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Warframes_Comparison/Release_Dates#Prime_

[uncut solar]

i dont need fact checking

im always unquestionably and factually correct

[balmy storm]

I wasn’t talking about them

[uncut solar]

in every statement i make

[balmy storm]

Oooh do one right now

[solid otter]

I know most entrati things

[mental echo]

Nope

49 is voruna not counting umbra or excal prime

[solid otter]

You'll be surprised how. Many things you realise the entrati family are involved in

[balmy storm]

But we do count excal prime

[solid otter]

I had a weird dream recently abou them

[balmy storm]

We don’t count excal umbra prime

[mental echo]

Then ye voruna is 50

[balmy storm]

[uncut solar]

i have two days off

and i ate too much

[balmy storm]

:O
will you warframe?

[zenith jacinth]

scared off the voruna hater lol

[mental echo]

LMAO

[uncut solar]

rip

they are just invisible

[balmy storm]

“I play every frame”
“What’s your ign”

[uncut solar]

like ash

[mental echo]

I just don’t get where they come up with voruna and ash being the same

[zenith jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-run-run-running-forrest-gump-tom-hanks-gif-13913941

[mental echo]

Or even similar

[balmy storm]

Styanax is just male ash

[uncut solar]

yeah

styanax is just male ash

[thick jolt]

They do bleed procs

[balmy storm]

Exactly!

[zenith jacinth]

wf players when confronted with the existence of fact checking

[mental echo]

Styanax is just male ash

[uncut solar]

they both have a weapon coded slash damage source

and clones

they both also have armor strip

[red kiln]

I’m pretty sure this is female Ash actually

[uncut solar]

both can also throw multiple projectiles in one go

[mental echo]

Voruna pounce, she spread status procs, she invisibly hunts, and makes headshots give more energy and health

[timid remnant]

Yeah, early concept art.

[mental echo]

And her passives are like really nice

[balmy storm]

Making trans colors Ash brb

[uncut solar]

Voruna is a crazy melee platform AND a very strong caster

[mental echo]

Yerp

[red kiln]

Glad to see Ash’s transition was a success

[balmy storm]

Also melee health orbs
Equilibrium go brrr

[mental echo]

My entire identity in another server is voruna

I am her she is me

[red kiln]

They should drop femme Ash as a skin completely unannounced and see how long it takes for anyone to notice

[uncut solar]

oh yeah, she is also an infinite orb generator

[balmy storm]

What are you? A tenno with a warframe?

[uncut solar]

a protoframe

[mental echo]

I am voruna proto

[balmy storm]

I’d play them more that way ngl

[mental echo]

That’s me

[red kiln]

Would a hypothetical Voruna protoframe already have the wolves stitched on or would they be separate animals

[balmy storm]

Ash is gender fluid now

Or gender gas
Cause
The smoke

[mental echo]

Oh I have

A lot of ideas

[balmy storm]

You opened pandora’s box

[mental echo]

:3

[red kiln]

Og Voruna has the wolves stitched on because of the Kuva she used at the Yuvarium (I think), so would the proto need to find wolves to attatch? or would the serum make new wolves to grow onto the body

[timid remnant]

Gendersmoke

[uncut solar]

gendergas

[mental echo]

A hypothetical voruna proto would likely have the serum grow the wolf heads in some way. The problem with having the “og” of a frame having the base design can show very easily with like. Making stuff like this. BUT with my little brain worms I have the headcanon that vorunas all have this infested hivemindesque hatred and rage that is not their own for orokin/tuvul even if they’ve never even heard of or seen an orokin
so maybe that hivemind thing also started the infested to develop wolf heads

A hypothetical proto I feel would have a really cool thing of being very protective and motherly in a. Rough and tumble kinda way while dealing with a primal anger that literally has never been there for them before

[balmy storm]

She has an odd hatred for the number 7

[mental echo]

Especially if the words tuvul or anything relating to him or the executors exit the drifters mouth id LOVE for her to just really get angry out of no where

Not like

[uncut solar]

a 1999 fursuiter

[mental echo]

Snappy at drifter but just like “yeah ok my anger is getting way out of control” anyways time to rip a wall into pieces

[mental echo]

Fall over LOL

[red kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[mental echo]

De let me help with voruna proto in some way and my life is yours

[red kiln]

makes me kinda wonder how other protos of frames with separate entities would come to be

would a Proto Yareli come with Merulina? or would they have to make one the way Lizzie came to be

[balmy storm]

Let me help with Xaku Prime :]

[uncut solar]

like temple maybe

[balmy storm]

Flare unintentionally made Lizzie

[solid otter]

Let me help with a limbo proto.

[uncut solar]

dogs are talking

[mental echo]

I wonder if the proto Yareli could be a skater or surfer and their board just gets yoinked

[uncut solar]

and they all have personalities

[red kiln]

Xaku would be three of Albrecht’s failed projects stitched together and then reanimated

[balmy storm]

I also would prefer if they didn’t rehash Flare

[uncut solar]

Thomas did contribute to that

[solid otter]

Realistically a proto rn would be the worst idea

[red kiln]

or maybe just one dude that really likes ripping his skin off

[solid otter]

Especially after the shit with the triad, i aint too excited for a proto

[red kiln]

would a Proto Xaku feel it whenever they use Vast Untime and go skeleton mode?

[mental echo]

Agreed

But the future

[uncut solar]

what is definitely coming is Nitohk, those new nightwave cosmetics are 100% orokin/blood themed

[solid otter]

Ehhh

I really do not want more protos

[uncut solar]

same

[balmy storm]

I disagree actually, I think they’d start out as one individual who was given the strain and over time their body and mind has changed, the “void spirits” manifesting in them as other personalities

[solid otter]

The writing mildly deteriorates just slightly at every proto set

[uncut solar]

Nitohk seems inevitable though

[mental echo]

Agreed

[balmy storm]

It depends how DE does them

[uncut solar]

upcoming cosmetics are super telling

[red kiln]

void-induced DID

[balmy storm]

We’re just having fun with hypotheticals here lol

[balmy storm]

Pretty much!

[mental echo]

I am in fact tired of dating protos but that’s just me, I really liked the focus on character story with roundtable

[uncut solar]

im more just concerned with their story implementation

[mental echo]

Same

[balmy storm]

With how the Protos work and how Xaku works I think that’d be much better since stitching together random people just to recreate Xaku doesn’t make much sense with what we know of the Proto process
Which is
Inject yourself with this frame strain

[uncut solar]

triad was a bad call

[solid otter]

They get shoe horned in a lot

[red kiln]

it really feels like Albrecht just pokes people with the serum wherever he goes

[solid otter]

Like damn roach noone wanted you but rebb

[balmy storm]

If DE does Protos again they need to be done like The Hex or The Roundtable
The Triad is an example of what NOT to do

[uncut solar]

characters were fine though, them adding a bait for agreeing with Marie on everything blindly was very funny

[mental echo]

It felt very skin first character second

[solid otter]

He does actually try to match it up, but its quickly ruining the whole. "I feel i must do this" thing Albrecht had

[uncut solar]

my words have stuck

i feel proud

[balmy storm]

Marie was very shallow to me as a character tbh

[thick jolt]

Are we looking at the same cosmetics? The ones i know are just caliban and protea deluxe themed

[balmy storm]

She was more “albrecht isn’t the worst ever” than an actual character

[uncut solar]

huh? im fairly sure there were some blood/gold ones?

[solid otter]

I think she could've been more impactful if she was earlier

[red kiln]

we got like three Caliban Deluxe themed items showcased earlier this week

[mental echo]

I wanted Marie to be cooler :( I just don’t vibe with her at all

[solid otter]

She does have more, but a lot of it is. More around building others up

And lyon is. Just that

Lyon. He is just lyon

Which is a good thing but

[balmy storm]

Lyon’s story was good

[thick jolt]

This is the operator armor and signa

[balmy storm]

Marie is a mostly shallow character to me since she exists primarily just to hammer home Albrecht isn’t evil but also isn’t good
Which
We knew but more of that is. Fine
Everything else about her felt subdued by comparison, including her backstory

[uncut solar]

not what im actually tlking about

[solid otter]

The other two have gimmicks and hes just

[uncut solar]

they added some new pingable items

[solid otter]

There

[balmy storm]

Lyon has a gimmick

[solid otter]

What that he doesnt talk to you 😭

[thick jolt]

Well you said nightwave so

[balmy storm]

His whole thing with Rell, Harrow and Wally???

[uncut solar]

oh sorry, my brain converged them

the actual telling thing is that they added a Nitohk statue decoration

[balmy storm]

Lyon’s the best written of the three
He even gives us religion lore

[uncut solar]

that is pingable in-game

[solid otter]

Not. That kind of gimmick

I mean internal gimmick

[mental echo]

Mechanical?

[solid otter]

Hence the. Not talking part

[balmy storm]

What was Marie’s?

[solid otter]

Her.
Baiting others into agreeing and purposefully failing you if you do so

[mental echo]

The Tenno school weapons

[thick jolt]

That might just end up being just decorations for the 7 no? Possibly dojo decorations themed after tauron, the way they usually do them themed around certain tilesets

[mental echo]

Oh ok nevermind I have no idea what is meant then

[uncut solar]

they only added nitohk :(

[balmy storm]

So that’s
Part of her story

[solid otter]

... I mean the internal

[uncut solar]

anyways that is all content that hasnt been fully implemented

[solid otter]

The internal kim Booleans and shit.

[uncut solar]

i shouldnt speculate on it

[solid otter]

Like how lyon refuses to talk to you

Or like roach's hellstory

Thermostat too

[uncut solar]

she looks cool though

[balmy storm]

I mean ig yeah :p

[solid otter]

Sure its apart of the story but part of her gimmick was to trick folk into doing that

[balmy storm]

Anyway
Marie as a character is fairly shallow to me, she exists expressly for hammering home that Albrecht is a gray area
Roathe is much better but he really makes you feel like you’re talking to an Orokin. Aka, it sucks to talk to him lol, at least we get some good lore and some theories are brought up
Lyon meanwhile has an actual story story, to me it even has the classic Warframe weirdness of “what even just happened” with his everything about Wally, Rell and Harrow. While he doesn’t give us much that’s new, aside from religion info, he uses what we had to tell the best story out of all of the triad (not including what’s happening with Loid which I can only assume is also very good but I will not know until I get to that point)

[red kiln]

where is this from I want executor statues in my ship

[solid otter]

Marie exists to tell people Albrecht isnt evil but she just makes it worse

[balmy storm]

I wish she existed to give us a deep dive into Dualism or y’know, literally anything else

[solid otter]

Because for some reason, somehow, her actually being treated well means Albrecht is. Being manipulative again

[balmy storm]

She’s too much of Albrecht fangirl and not enough of her own character to me

[solid otter]

Because apparently the man cant do anything without it having some ulterior motive

He cant be nice or he's manipulative, he can't be unattached or hes a cold bastard

[fierce kiln]

WOOO YEAH BABY

[foggy galleon]

so how on earth do i get new kim messages to appear. specifically for roath. ive only listened to 9 voice mesages yet just finished my 21st kill

[mossy axle]

I am sitting here, trying to pick the right answers to convince Marie, and All of them seem right, but a bit brazen to tell her

I'm at a loss. nothing I've said has made her budge

[foggy galleon]

how do you even get them to send you new messages??

[mossy axle]

New messages pop up every 24 hrs

[foggy galleon]

wish that was anywhere on the wiki. thanks

[mossy axle]

I wish it was on there too. But I guess some things we have to learn by trial and error with this game Q_Q

[foggy galleon]

its genuinly such a simple thing for it to be there. they can have every conversation path possible but cant just say you gotta wait 24 hours between new messages??

[mossy axle]

yep ._.

[lethal vortex]

Despite only appearing in the guilty, commendeered Trinity prime has a codex

[mossy axle]

It looks like my messages are gonna stop for Roathe unless I starting running decsendia which I was kinda putting off, but I guess I'm doing them

[lethal vortex]

Meanwhile every hard mode boss ain't got their own codex

[foggy galleon]

once you finish 1 run you can just repeate floor 21

[balmy storm]

How was it?

[fierce kiln]

once you get the right loadout its alright

easiest stage by far is still twin dacto

[balmy storm]

I may have to try to get one of the accolades, the guilty seems like the easiest of the super bosses

[pale ore]

Corrupted/Void Vor is pretty cheesable with lifesteal/armor tanking but hes hard to play fairly

[balmy storm]

I have yet to attempt him, but I have heard tales

[pale ore]

Its the highest delta in difficulty between Im going to beat him with normal weapons and frames and I have 14k health on Inaros and a lifesteal weapon.

[craggy pollen]

they did fix the bug for him it seems since this last time I went all the way to 21 on steel path it did pay off in a new message. so just do more descendia spam

[foggy galleon]

i went from 10 to 21 today

still on voice message 9

[craggy pollen]

weird, guess for some its still wonky then. cause Im on voice message 12 and trying to see if there is more.

[foggy galleon]

im guessing i just gotta wait till reset

or something

[craggy pollen]

hope so, cause I really like the orokin society and war lore bits he drops.

[stoic nymph]

How many messages are there???

[cerulean kiln]

For Roathe? 21

[balmy storm]

So it looks like the anims are for Voruna Prime only

[lofty girder]

Genuinely how do you deal with the instant death walls

Like i can clear the vanguards, and the one time i got to the hunhullus i only lost because i forgor to bring a proper archgun

[fierce kiln]

they dont kill me sooo idk what ur talking about

they die before they can cast it with my strat anyway

[lofty girder]

Wut, they instantly burn through my valkyr deathgate

[fierce kiln]

do you use persistance

[lofty girder]

Yes

[fierce kiln]

if so, yeah..

thats the issue

[lofty girder]

Wut

[fierce kiln]

use shieldgating

[lofty girder]

Oh wait magnetic procs

[thick jolt]

Persistence gets disabled by anything that disables abilities

[lofty girder]

Still weird considering i have 2k hp and nearly 4k armoe

[fierce kiln]

persistance in general only gains good use on frames that either have no or close to no shields

just finally did the grind for base ember, it took me 12 attempts to get the chassis

[shadow forum]

imagine in the tau we get bingo game and someone gets in minus credits, the corpus tries to capture your ship.

[stoic plaza]

WHY AM I A PEOPLE A SECOND TIME?!

[thick jolt]

Always were

[fringe pond]

Lmao what

[stoic plaza]

||Duviri paradox and Second dream.||

[undone lodge]

Have you played New War

[zenith jacinth]

oh great, another victim of DE's refusal to admit defeat. you shouldn't play duviri until after new war

[stoic plaza]

I have not done new war.

Also what do you mean by refusal to admit defeat?

[zenith jacinth]

they made duviri paradox available as an alternate start originally, but it's so plainly supposed to be after tnw that they put it further in progression twice. they still refuse to put it where it belongs

[stoic plaza]

Ohhh I see.

[stoic plaza]

What does this mean exactly?

[balmy badger]

You'll be locked into the quest until you finish it.

[tight pagoda]

Once you proceed, you can't go back to the star chart until finishing the quest

[stoic plaza]

Oh then I got nothing to worry about, thanks.

[boreal pewter]

It mean you're in for a wild ride

[idle field]

How long will roathe keep mentioning the fact I reset their memories? It's kinda annoying that he even remembers

[wild wind]

forever

he really doesn't like that because the author hates people using KIMulacrum

[foggy galleon]

okay GENUINLY how am i supposed to get more kim messages. am i really going to have to wait 2 weeks for roathe to send all of these messages. why is everything in this system just fully time gated PER DAY

[wild wind]

? The voice messages?

You can just run the boss fight 21 times

If you mean the actual KIM messages and dialogue tree, yes it's a time gate system

[foggy galleon]

i did. im stuck at 9

ive done 21 runs

[dusky acorn]

guys adis's song is stuck in my mind

[gilded lark]

yeah it was available for me before i did the new war for some reason

[solid otter]

As in. All at once? You only get 2 per day usually

Thats just the kim system lol

[foggy galleon]

itd be awesome if the wiki MENTIONED THAT

[zenith jacinth]

because it's unlocked after tsd or natah

[gilded lark]

i see

[foggy galleon]

but also i didnt even get any today

just a single regular message

[solid otter]

Yeah those can replace it

[foggy galleon]

thats so dumb

[solid otter]

Eh, tis how it works

[lethal vortex]

Okay how am i suppose to get past the first boss of The Guilty fast before cascading fragmentation effect hits

[timid remnant]

Thara tauron strike or smth

[zenith jacinth]

yea I heard you're expected to use tauron strikes for the 1st

[thick jolt]

Yeah DE expects you to use tauron strikes

[obtuse gyro]

theyre tied to your chemistry rank

[solid otter]

Theyre tied to billions of things

[obtuse gyro]

Check /Lotus/Scripts/1999/DialogueScriptNodes.lua:StoryConditions(dialogueType=/Lotus/Types/Gameplay/1999Wf/Dialogue/RoatheDialogue_rom.dialogue, rank=3, count=9, storyCount=15)

chem rank 3, yappy yap 9, VMs 14+1

[deft mist]

Oof i need to build mone then and also get brilliant eidolon shards to get the other passives of chools

[red kiln]

Thara lowkey atomizes the Vanguard so I'd recommend it

[night grail]

Yeah the vanguard and dactolysts really do want taurons but hunhullus it doesnt really do anything

[red kiln]

I've been using the Laetum and Thara to demolish the Vanguard and the Dactolysts, but big 'Hullus is kicking my ass

it may be a skill issue but I always just blow up when the Hunhullus fight begins

[obtuse gyro]

does can thara clear the vanguard with its entire duration or is there an optimal time to use it

[red kiln]

It recharges every wave, so get the Primes all grouped up and then fire Thara onto them

Particularly Volt, I love him and all, but chasing that dork around the arena and destroying his shield wastes so much time

[night grail]

Yeah every wave of the vanguard starts the recharge

[red kiln]

I've just been stuck on the Hunhullus

my ego says if I can wipe the Vanguard and the Dacto twins within five minutes, the last part should be easy enough

[night grail]

Hunhullus was a pushover regularly but since the guilty rarely spawns marrowticks on top of the choralysts it got harder

I saw someone have 21 stacks of cascading rebellion 😭

[red kiln]

how much dps does that do 😭 ???

[night grail]

Idk they immediately died in the archwing phase (happened to me once before I remembered amesha)

[red kiln]

oh god am I supposed to use an archwing that ISNT Itzal?

[night grail]

Yeah, the horror

Amesha is the play because like. What are you using your archwing for other than survivability here

Itzal is for speed

[red kiln]

...I've only had Itzal for the past six-ish years now...

I guess now is as good a time as any to make another one

[night grail]

😭 theres like 5 archwings total

My mastery grind going for weird things sometimes pays off

[red kiln]

the og three and Odonata prime?

unless there's a mysterious fourth archwing I never learned about

RIP modular archwing btw

[night grail]

Odonata (prime), itzal, elytron, amesha

[red kiln]

oh I forgot the Elytron existed

[night grail]

Who doesnt tbf

[red kiln]

I built Itzal once almost seven years ago and never looked back

even after they put blink on everything I never bothered to see what the others did lmao

[night grail]

True I had the itzal blink for like a couple weeks at best

It was great but all archwings getting it is way better

[red kiln]

well

the Amesha parts are building now, but even without it I'm still gonna keep throwing myself at The Guilty until something works

[night grail]

If you bash your head against the wall long enough it'll break

[obtuse gyro]

EVERYWAVE YOU SAY

im spamming that shit

I want my damn caliban glyph

[obtuse gyro]

what does cascading rebellion do again?

[night grail]

If you take too long you take increasing damage periodically

Its the same mechanic as the fragmented and other bosses afaik

I just have never seen it on apex or vor

[red kiln]

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT SON

[obtuse gyro]

as in, I start taking damage over time, or I just take more damage?

[night grail]

First one

[obtuse gyro]

wuh

[night grail]

Bau have you never done an accolade before (genuine question)

[obtuse gyro]

so thats why my amesha stacks keep going down

[obtuse gyro]

nope, skill issue

[red kiln]

this is my first ever hard mode anything clear

[obtuse gyro]

Ive only done pubs so someone can get the goobers off my back so I can do dps

[red kiln]

I realize that wasn't directed to me but still

[obtuse gyro]

so I got the sumdalis but no glyphs

[night grail]

Okay that explains a lot but the Hunhullus bit both usually has cascading but also the lasers can be annoying to dodge which helps drain the stacks

[red kiln]

I did mine in just over nine minutes

[night grail]

Afaik archwings have built in energy regen so you'll be fine to just immediately recast

[obtuse gyro]

nah I move too fast for the lasers

[obtuse gyro]

amesha 4 is the energy regen

turns you invul and any damage is converted to emergu

[night grail]

I dont think i ever used it

[obtuse gyro]

so just need 4 up before 1 falls

[red kiln]

If you time Thara activations correctly, they can kill a Prime, and then linger long enough so that it kills the next wave right off spawn btw

[obtuse gyro]

this provides guaranteed survival in case your finger is slow

[obtuse gyro]

at base thara or no?

also can I use nidri in bleedout?

[night grail]

I don't think ive ever done a superboss with a squad outside one time i did the fragmented with someone just for the hell of it

[red kiln]

you have to unlock and upgrade Thara

[night grail]

No

Also yeah guilty is balanced around having taurons maxed out

[obtuse gyro]

damn

my thara is partway upgraded

[red kiln]

I figured out after upgrading Thara that "balanced around Taurons" just means the first two phases are irrelevant and then Hunhullus is a damage check

[night grail]

Basically

[red kiln]

Vanguard gets exploderized by Thara, and the Dactolysts need a third brother to even be considered annoying

[obtuse gyro]

in a "how much damage 10s of void damage buff do you put out" way

Ive seen the clips, each block can be achieved in 2-3 of the grabby things

[night grail]

Void strike is decent for destroying synovia

[red kiln]

I'm gonna be real I only used the void tether thing like thrice(?) in the clear I just had, I just kinda forced the damage to work because Laetum does Laetum things

[obtuse gyro]

the void tether significantly speeds up the thing

like genuinely

[red kiln]

so you're saying I could have cleared it in SEVEN minutes and not NINE?

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-26051005

[obtuse gyro]

well, youd spend like two minutes less in phase 1 and waste all that time in phase 2

[red kiln]

jokes aside I guess I can take that into account when I'm gonna do this again when I eventually try accolade hunting

[obtuse gyro]

Im still figuring out of maus or corvas prime is the play for hunhullus

the one time I cleared it I was using morgha and man it was slow

[night grail]

I used grattler

[obtuse gyro]

dont own one yet

then again... I just finished my ghoulsaw...

[night grail]

I think coolkid used the mausolon

[fierce kiln]

wooo coolest honoria unlocked

[night grail]

Still need this one i only have the vor one

[red kiln]

I chipped away at it with Imperator Vandal

what arcanes did you guys use? Crux and Ennervate?

[night grail]

Think so?

[fierce kiln]

best archgun for brute force dmg i know of and that i used is corvas prime

[night grail]

Crux for sure

[fierce kiln]

on eye hit multiple 1M+ dmg hits

[red kiln]

damn

[night grail]

Does it stagger in space still

[fierce kiln]

no

[night grail]

Okay its useable

[fierce kiln]

you prob dont even need forma or the arcanes

[red kiln]

also you guys know if casting any frame buffs (Roar/Xata) right before the phase transition to the Archwing part carries over so I get a few seconds of bonus damage?

[night grail]

Hate archguns that stagger on the ground

[fierce kiln]

works

[red kiln]

hell yeah

[fierce kiln]

unless they then hit you with that magnetic

[red kiln]

I tried casting Xata right before the transition but I didn’t notice any meaningful rise in dps (maybe I’m just buns idk)

[fierce kiln]

you can kinda cancel it with timing a bullet jump before shooting

i think hunhullus is hard coded to only give you the major void dmg bonus from the hookpoints

that thats only giving you the weakness bonus

[red kiln]

so casting frame buffs doesn’t do anything regardless?

[fierce kiln]

you get the percentage in dmg increase, i just ment that major dmg increase you get from hookpoints might have another layer of bonus dmg

[red kiln]

ahh gotcha

[fierce kiln]

xata could be working like how you cant use it to kill eidolons ect., in this case not giving you the same dmg boost the void buff from hookpoint gives you agains hunhullus

so if thats the case roar is better

[red kiln]

hmm

I had Xatas infused so I didn’t miss my shots with the Laetum but I guess that probably doesn’t do much when I’m shooting a stationary giant eyeball

[fierce kiln]

i used the vectis with epitaph as primer

previous 2 phases coda mire slam spam lol

viral on dactolysts + thara (madurai bow) already dooms them to die

any additional damage lets you end it before they cast walls

[red kiln]

vectis?

in my first attempts I was using the Vadarya

[fierce kiln]

didnt try vadarya, i used vectis purely for its high raw dmg

also bc i own primed chamber and force it to have a 1 shot mag

so free x2 dmg on top

[red kiln]

I tried Vadarya since everything is weak to elec, and the bonus lightning sometimes hit the Trinity or another nearby Prime

[fierce kiln]

im pretty sure the weaknesses shown are just for the anarchs, which in this case only applies to the vanguard

so using the tauron strike for the dactolysts is best since there you fully abuse their void weakness

[red kiln]

The Dacolysts/Hunhullus aren’t weak to elec?

[fierce kiln]

pretty sure they count as sentients

ill check

[red kiln]

I just looked it up wow don't I look silly now

[fierce kiln]

wut

well alright then i guess not void either

[obtuse gyro]

well its weak to slam so

[slate saddle]

I am excited for it's release

[ember wigeon]

I had a weird idea pop into my head, you know how Albrecht Entrai is in multiple times and places simultaneously because eternalism? What if Wally's finger duplicates are just Albrecht himself in various caskets? Doing the same "job" of being everywhere and nowhere and influencing history ironically would be exactly what an omniscient thing would arrange to be already here before he even existed

[obtuse gyro]

albrecht entrati isnt in multiple times and places because of eternalism

theres just a singular goober running up and down the timestream

[hearty pendant]

you can put together a decent timeline of his shenanigans

[ember wigeon]

I mean technically everyone is in multiple timestreams because of eternalism but fair

[obtuse gyro]

technically, but realistically theres only one timeline we need to care about

every other timeline is not accessible and is by and large not in play

[hearty pendant]

its just the devil's triad stuff that isn't concretely placed. mostly because it wasn't foreshadowed in the slightest

[ember wigeon]

just wait till DE adds procedurally generated timelines from like dwarf fortress (joke)

[solid otter]

Calling Albrecht a goober is funny to me

[solid otter]

Eh, I think we can build a timeline based on his behaviour

Given he went on the. Arc of redemption and how that changed his. View on things, im guessing

he made the hex
Spent 3 years in xx99
Made the roundtable/triad
screwed off to 1999 permanently

Though you are right, it definitely was unplanned

Like I get Loid not knowing some things but.

How did he miss Albrecht dragging an unconscious Roach

[astral jackal]

I wonder what is Hunhow doing right now
Just chilling in deep waters as he was, Great and Terrible Hunhow?

[solid otter]

He remains the great and terrible hunhow.
-# ignore that he probably realised how badly he screwed up over time

[cerulean kiln]

“Another of their number flows past my sodden grave. Did you see her, my Shadow? Of course you did... So unlike your perfunctory skulking, she rises resplendent—full of brazen, fragrant life. In my own lost vibrancy, oh how I would have reveled in snuffing out her playful joy!

Unfortunately, something beat me to the task, delivering only a wounded husk into my grasp.

I grow sentimental in my rot. Else I’ve been down here long enough to find kinship with my fellow jetsam. Instead of final death, I offered her the insult of rescue. A worldshaper’s breath “adapting” her shape to better survive our shared prison. And still her spirit did not break, my Shadow!”

[fringe pond]

Yeah he’s kinda just taking the eternal bath

[ember wigeon]

gamer sentient bath water?

[wise basalt]

Pretty sure there's a standing rule against using what has become known as Eidolon Sauce, or water that has been altered from being in the presence of Sentients for a long period.

[fringe pond]

Those mfs magnetize it somehow

[obtuse gyro]

go to the plains for a sampke

[floral hawk]

the orphix has these yellow. piss? contaminating the water

cant tell if its light or otherwise

[fierce kiln]

sentient piss

[undone lodge]

their super laser piss

that they’ll use to destroy Lua

[uncut solar]

How do you like that Margulis

[shadow forum]

Hm what is interesting they connected somehow the hex from Deimos to zariman.

[zenith jacinth]

??

[finite gorge]

So hum do you need like a number of folie hunt to talk to the redeem guy?

Or is he not actually on the Vesper relay?

[thick jolt]

He's on the normal relays

Right outside the arbiters room

[finite gorge]

I was looking for his behind INSIDE

[cerulean kiln]

Well you see he can’t go inside because he’s aspiring to be an Arbiter not an Arbiter himself

[thick jolt]

Nah it is actually because his paint is stinky but the arbiters make it everyone else's problem

[finite gorge]

He's not way off hr's like a few pace left on strata, but his price gave me an ulcer...

[fierce kiln]

they are analphabet-phobic

[finite gorge]

Order zealots having to deal with creative chaos.

[boreal pewter]

Is it a coincidence that the mushrooms in the nightcap bounties allegedly date to before the orokin era and were introduced almost right before tau xenoflora, which could theoretically also date back to before the orokin era?

[lofty girder]

I mean they absolutely have to date back before the orokin, natural evolution isn't fast enough

[finite gorge]

The tau Flora was definitely there before Orokin they rebloomed because of their terraforming

||Then died again from their terraforming||

[zenith jacinth]

completely made up lore? in THE warframe discord server spoiler chat channel? preposterous!

[uncut solar]

<@&778745217037238293>

oops, i was too late

[finite gorge]

That's what i got from barely understanding the cinematics

[zenith jacinth]

the xenoflora was discovered, it didn't re-emerge due to terraforming

[finite gorge]

You know because Warframe Lore is like a family tree if it was apretzel

[zenith jacinth]

not really

[finite gorge]

And technically my completely made up lore is also canon because eternalism

[zenith jacinth]

not how eternalism works

[uncut solar]

its not that complicated

[finite gorge]

Will knowing the lore change the fact that every tenno is a mass murdering trauma baby?

[uncut solar]

No

thats what they are

[zenith jacinth]

people always ignore the massive "theoretically accessible" when it comes to eternalism

[finite gorge]

Yeah just go shoot more grinneer and grineer adjacent

[zenith jacinth]

unimportant to the topic

[finite gorge]

Theoretically accessible is such wide definition

[uncut solar]

eternalism is just a more flavorful "timeline split"

[zenith jacinth]

what it means is that alternate realities are inaccessible

[uncut solar]

if you can apply your mind to it this way, you can understand it

[finite gorge]

Yeah but if you keep walking down the facets eventually you'll hit something that feels like an alternate reality

[uncut solar]

we dont really do that in the first place

[finite gorge]

Except for the whole

[thick jolt]

Well that's the neat thing we cant "walk down the facets"

That is precisely what is meant with we cant access eternalism and it being only theoretically accessible

[finite gorge]

You know the one et touch where we never got saved by the Lotus and everything turned out terrible then we had to time travel.... Sideways to fix it?

[thick jolt]

We simply cant do it

[zenith jacinth]

no?

[finite gorge]

We can't walk the facet but if the one that got close enough is so radically different what stops my completely made up lore about the tau Flora being reactivated/reblooming due to sentient initial terraforming

[finite gorge]

That's the difference between the drifter and the operator technically 2 different "facets"

[zenith jacinth]

???

[wraith rose]

Why is this called “spoiler chat”

[finite gorge]

Same guy different circumstances

[zenith jacinth]

because spoilers don't need to be covered up here

[wraith rose]

Fair enough thank you for answering

[uncut solar]

for story spoilers

lore is for more in depth discussions

[finite gorge]

Sadly not for mechanic change spoiler but we got dev stream and red text for that

Also 350 of the new folie currency to...

read further

Make your mod foil

Bit steep no?

But at the same time I'm glad you can't purchase it with plat or we would have another slot machine situation

[zenith jacinth]

it is kinda expensive for a purely visual thing yea

[uncut solar]

theyre tradable as well

its just a vanity resource sink

[fierce kiln]

thats 4 rounds

of a 5 min mode

i usually get 90 atramentum a round, it costs 360 to buy one chromatic

[finite gorge]

I did four and got 83

[fierce kiln]

play in a squad

atramentum drops are shared between players

so its much more likely for all balloons to be found + enemies have a drop chance too

unaffected by boosters btw

[zenith jacinth]

try popping the balloons and playing in SP

[fierce kiln]

put a scanner mod on your companion so you see baloons nearby on the minimap

[zenith jacinth]

(loot radar)

[finite gorge]

I never go out without prime animal instinct

Not very useful when there are environmental hazard as Frederick is allergic to not standing in fire/lightning/cold water/effervon spill/spilled marble/an exhimis aura

[fierce kiln]

drone then

[finite gorge]

Good thing my last big grind was get an amp that kill stuff good

[fierce kiln]

dont forget void mode

i cannot understand the difficulty complaints the mode is getting when you have an overly generous invincible + invisible mode

[zenith jacinth]

not very helpful for her mission

[finite gorge]

Well it help deal with the giant infected when your running naked to your painting and your team mate are doing God knows what.

Plus if you bought folie it's an excuse to use her sweet amp skin

[zenith jacinth]

amp skin?

[finite gorge]

I'm pretty sure she comes with one

That or it was in the gaiss Grendel bundle

[fierce kiln]

her bundle has the amp skin

[fierce kiln]

you can be invisible for what feels like an eternity

while being also able to pass through enemies

and not taking any sort of dmg or debuffs

[finite gorge]

Not when carrying paint?

[fierce kiln]

ofc it still works