spoiler-chat

[tame canopy]

ok I wanna know what this theory is or at least who proposed it lol, what wf is he believed to be 👀

[solid otter]

goes upstairs to the family
gets infested
what stops infestation? MORE INFESTATION [helminth]

So its a logical theory

And its. Gonna probably be limbo, visually speaking

[tame canopy]

LOL the concept of going up to the stairs only to get infested lmao

[solid otter]

Yeah and it would happen to loid because he deserves a lil bit of karma

Let him become even scarier

[tame canopy]

What did he do to earn this karmic consequence again? is it because he aided albrecht?

[solid otter]

Albrecht enabler and partially responsible for the cavia

Deserves just a little bit of physical pain

[tame canopy]

Yeah fair
the blorbo shall get his torture

[solid otter]

They all shall

Its been an idea since Loid came out, him being a limbo protoframe

Hes so visually similar

Like hello

[tame canopy]

Nani kore, high key didnt' expect that the similarities map out this well

[solid otter]

Like its so similar like holy shit

EVEN THE KNEE GOLD BITS

[tame canopy]

And that's limbo prime 👀 👀

[solid otter]

Mhm proud owner of both limbo and limbo prime

But yeah

Its. So obvious. Loid proto but we get a free limbo prime /j

Actually we did get a free Valkyr prime last year on tennocon

I think that was tennocon

[tame canopy]

pretty sure it was tennocon, I in fact, uses that very valkyr since the start of the game

[solid otter]

Hopium

[tame canopy]

I traded for limbo prime a while ago because my limbo was able to push me and a hildryn to tier 10 in SP circuit

It was an insane experience, I saw level cap enemies for the first time lmao

and died like every couple seconds if I walk out of my 4

[solid otter]

We all have the first time you got carried to level cap

It was scary, a mild religious experience though/j

[tame canopy]

To commemorate such a contribution, I have traded for limbo prime, and send my base limbo to the Wall so that his powers might one day be of use for other frames 🙏

[solid otter]

I need to level up that limbo so he can go into the wall

Honestly I just need to grind more warframes in general, but thats for a later date

[tame canopy]

I got called the MVP by the hildryn cuz Im the one helping with defense in general lol

especially freaking excavations 💀

Still pisses me off that eximus can nosell his cc abilities

[solid otter]

Only places I use limbo other than when the operation for the old peace came out and id steal people's argon

Tee hee i say as I run into nowhere with the argon following

[tame canopy]

Bro was swiping people's loot
So you can say that their loot... argon

🥁

[solid otter]

Have we registered how high Roathe's forehead is? Like don't go any further we might start seeing the scalp broski

[tame canopy]

ordis my pal my buddy

LOL he got a 5head

[solid otter]

We have like

2 bald orokin

Wait. No, 3

Karrish is bald

Nihil and Vilcor are too

[tame canopy]

interesting

Who's vilcor again? karrish's the 12 exo stomach guy, nihil's the glassing guy

is it... father after gaining a new name?

[solid otter]

Yes!

Good job

His other name is Petros

Petros Vorten

Which later became Petros Entrati

[tame canopy]

Wahoo! I got it right

[solid otter]

Which became Father and then became Vilcor Entrati

[tame canopy]

random note but I am reminded that apparently Vilcor is unironically called "Father Entrati" by drifter in Kim

[solid otter]

HA

[tame canopy]

As in they treated "Father" like part of an actual name

[solid otter]

The priest part is now really funny

One of them was close enough to a priest

[solid otter]

They do treat it like that, I wonder if that changes if you've ranked up the family enough

[tame canopy]

FYI for those not in the know, this is the conversation that confirms lore accurate drifter deploys necramech in 1999

[solid otter]

Mm, how do they send necramechs into 1999? No clue with that one

[tame canopy]

(why can't we do it normally, DE )

[solid otter]

You can in. temporal Archimedia

There is a descendia level that. Either requires necramechs or you kill necramechs and its called like

[tame canopy]

yeah, but I don't count it as "normally" I was hoping for it to be like railjack or if not, conjunction survival where you can do it for a duration then a cd occur

[solid otter]

Vilcor's revenge or some shit

[tame canopy]

Maybe it's the same reason drifter can access to all WFs and the gear we use, the Void™

[solid otter]

Does the wiki have a list of descendia levels or

[tame canopy]

Actually im like 99 percent sure drifter can access almost... everything the operator has

[solid otter]

They can, other than memories

[tame canopy]

Roathe has a convo where it's confirmed drifter borrows the focus schools

So that's another thing drifter can afford to bring from the operator to 1999 and other places

[solid otter]

And people will treat em differently too but thats besides the point

[tame canopy]

Reminds me of a tumblr post on a what-if the operator was sent to 1999 instead of drifter

I think it differs on the fact that the operator is, well, physically a child

and also the world's most battle hardened child solider

(I know drifter has their bajillion years in duviri but their brand of battles are different from operator's own)

[solid otter]

I like how Loid treats the operator like a child, I feel like a lot of characters don't

As much as the lotus is space mother, she does. Burden us with a lot of shit

[tame canopy]

True but at the same time, we're kinda... the only one, or at least, one of the most vital personnel in the fight for peace and justice™ for the oppresed and downtrodden in the origin systems

[solid otter]

Its true, yeah, both are i feel

And i find comfort in the fact that the child can be treated like a child

Instead of some super badass mass murderer

[tame canopy]

The operator deserves to craft a smoothie in their foundry to drink for once

It probably doesn't help that not many are in the know on the operator in the first place

[solid otter]

True, its both a blessing and curse i feel

[tame canopy]

My read on the factions' varied knowledge of the tenno is that plenty of them thinks the tenno is the warframe

[solid otter]

They wont treat you like a child yayy!! Im taken seriously!!

You will never have your childhood back.

[tame canopy]

and only the quills and lil duck see the ghost child™ popping out and interact with them in any... normal capacity

well, as normal as you can in the context of exchanging goods and services, to put it really mildly

at least you get one singular inquiry to onkko's personal life lol

[solid otter]

Loid is good in the way that he both respects our choice and still shows significant worry over it

He wouldve been a good parent.

Somehow, Euleria still ended up the way she did

Probably because she didn't have Loid, tbh

[tame canopy]

😔 the family would have been more functional with loid

[solid otter]

"He taught me to be kind, even if I forgot."

You know what this sounds like?
-# autism

[tame canopy]

speak your truth

👁️

[solid otter]

Most people don't just. Forget to be kind. She had to be reminded of social cues 😭

And that matches up with Albrecht probably being autistic

She probably just presents closer to BPD bcs. That happens in afab folk

[tame canopy]

BPD? I forgot what that stands for lol

[solid otter]

Borderline personality disorder

I usually just say borderline bcs folk think BPD stands for bipolar disorder

[tame canopy]

Also true, she probably forgot how to express the cues to show kindness, I can relate to needing to be reminded of important social cues lol

Because I got the tism and the adhd

👁️

[solid otter]

Exactly, sometimes its hard to remember "oh yeah people don't usually like being talked at about weird hyper specific things"

But then they suddenly act like you're being "mean" on purpose, as if you don't have the disorder that makes it hard for you to make things sound nice

[tame canopy]

The struggle for knowing the appropriate topics to talk about....

[solid otter]

NO LITERALLY

And it got worse for me after therapy bcs it was just so easy to yap about 😭

Oh yeah Thomas maybe lets not talk about in detail how you tried to kill your dad

[tame canopy]

Cursed topic, let's move on from that

[solid otter]

Yes anyways

[tame canopy]

Lunch time for me

I'll see you around my palymos

[solid otter]

Autism is a genetic thing, so Euleria having it would make sense if Albrecht had it

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cecesrhaccc1-on-tiktok-cecesrhaccc1-wave-wave-cat-cecesgif-gif-3519480851846766777

[median edge]

To be honest the triad is not giving in the same way the hex does for me

I was excited about Marie but she's... Hm. Not as fleshed out as I would like for her to be. And I can see why people like Roathe only because he's genuinely the most interesting to talk to imo.

And his hatred of ole Albert is justified as hell lmfao

[shadow forum]

since we seeing new warframe next month, will be that a horror story.

[shadow forum]

if it is count me in

[solid otter]

SHIT

GODDAMN KEYBOARD

This is why i dont use my pc.

[shadow forum]

Get a touchscreen monitor.

[solid otter]

I do actually have a drawing tablet i use for it

Cept keyboard will be separate

[shadow forum]

Cool

[solid otter]

And im currently on my bed, and I stretched to read what you sent and pressed.

• for some reason

[shadow forum]

Ah well don't sweat it's usually experience for all of us.

now where were we

[solid otter]

spooky sad clown stuff

[shadow forum]

good now will there be a story horror as chains of harrow warframe.

[tight pagoda]

Yeah the Shadowgrapher mission seems like it could be as scary as Chains of Harrow

[fading current]

From the Devstream alone I felt a slight jumpscare when the follie figure started following them around. Gave me genuine fear chills lol

[floral hawk]

i'm a marie survivor and roathe convert

smh 😔

[floral hawk]

i hope!!!!!!

[solid otter]

I liked Marie until the argument tbh

Tagfer saying what he did was shitty

[floral hawk]

i hope at some point in the far future they re-polish old quests (chains of harrow) (please) (its all i need) (realistically they'd polish the more "mainline" quests like The Second Dream, which kind of shows its age esp with rebb's VA with respect) (but chains of harrow) (please) (and harrow p prime trailer)

everyone hates on tagfer but i really understand his anger
It doesn't make him right but i get the bitterness

[solid otter]

But like
Marie don't come in here and insult the family you've never met because you feel bad. Don't come in here and blame the family, blame Mother for Albrecht not returning

Genuinely if Marie said that to mother i would fear for her life

[rain otter]

I mean if you where the last of your species and your mate died cuz a guy was like "let's do an experiment."

You would be upset.

[solid otter]

I mean yeah but he didnt need to go out and call her disabled and reliant on everyone

That was. Shitty

But I suppose that Tagfer is an animal who doesn't understand that shit

[solid otter]

-# Father should be able to tell us all about how mother feels about her dad

Oh

Oh word

||"You know... I had this broken down mech I was going insane trying to fix. Swapped out the light-board, flushed the atria, hell I even stripped the casings and resparked the coils. Nothing. Know what is was? The spine was cut. Sheared right through. Hairline. I never even noticed. Well, now I know why nothing my wife did to find her father made a damn bit of difference. How could it? He cut her off. I gotta look after her, Ayatan."||

The. The word atria is an interesting choice

[floral hawk]

theres a lot of really organic terminology being used with the Entrati's machines

capillaries, the heart, atria

[solid otter]

Makes sense

They love the macabre and i can appreciate that

Just. Interesting to me

Oh, and they had wedding rings

[floral hawk]

yeah!! a lot of the Lab's wires also look organic. like blood vessels

[solid otter]

The orokin had wedding rings

"That shard of seriglass my wife clutches means more to her than the damn wedding ring."

[solid otter]

There. Is a whole chance that those wires might be biological

[floral hawk]

reminds me of how orokin towers are 'grown', yknow

see the Unum

maybe the labs are grown too? to an? extent?

[solid otter]

||"Best prepare yourself, sweetling. If Albrecht is alive, then that thing he unleashed is still out there, too. Every light casts a shadow."||

||Grandmother being aware of wally is kinda scary to me ||

[solid otter]

I mean, the vessels are, and those are absolutely biological so. I wouldn't be super surprised?

Also grandmother like. Is the only one I think that calls Albrecht by his first name and first name alone and that's

[median edge]

I personally think it's one of the worst things Albert (derogatory) has done imo

[solid otter]

In the family I mean

[median edge]

The shit he did to the Cavia is so messed up

[solid otter]

You're gonna explode at the knowledge on how most products are made.

Or, tested rather.

[median edge]

I'm a vegetarian and don't use product tested on animals if I can help it so I am already aware and still think it's messed up?

[floral hawk]

still, being put into the unknown with your mate and 1) abruptly developing sentience 2) losing your lifelong partner 3) grieving deeper for longer than you could ever know her is pretty awful regardless of the fact that we do test on animals irl

ignoring the [waves at the abundance of animal cruelty irl] for one second, i've lost a close significant other and the sheer helplessness is devastating

[median edge]

Ugh when he's like did she even have time to be her I was literally crying 😭

[solid otter]

And honestly, Albrecht was right for wanting to put them down lowkey

Thats what he wanted to do

But Loid told him not to

Half the shit that happened in the cavia's incident was never intentional

People act as if it was

[median edge]

W... What the fk 😭

[solid otter]

They were sealed. They weren't ever supposed to be exposed to the degree they were

What? Euthanasia?

Something widely regarded as ethical for when animals are in pain?

They were legitimately going to die. And they do die, regardless. Loid only manages to prolong it again

Literally that's the whole. Tag for disposal shit

[obtuse gyro]

Oh man, time to break out the good old psychoanalytic theory

[solid otter]

"After the monitors failed, Albrecht wondered how you all came to be exposed to that degree. Fibonacci?"

Both men are unsure of how they got exposed that bad. Albrecht fully expected them to die, and them being void saturated was the weird part.

"WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CARE?! You put us in that bell! You watched as she-!"
"I. SAVED. YOUR. LIVES! Do you really think Albrecht thought to freeze you? To preserve you? That was me! In the hope that we might find a cure for-"

This is tagfer and Loid arguing! About who helped! Because Loid helped! It was never Albrecht's plan to keep them alive. He wanted to euthanise them, which. Honestly, probably was the ethical option!

[solid otter]

You know the theory that wally drove the family apart? I lowkey only blamed Mother for it, her being exposed to wally and therefore allowing him to goober around, but. It could very well be Grandmother's knowledge of him

[median edge]

LOL Jesus Christ that's an unhinged opinion. I am not digging into that, but it explains a lot about you that you would think that.

But anyways, I hope on behalf of Tagfer and his mate we end up launching Albert into deep void space without a suit ❤️ And Loid gets a better man for reals, he deserves so much better 😭💔

[solid otter]

Oh my god

I sure hope you dont like the polio vaccine.

Or like. Any veterinary practitioner

I really think you need to look into what Euthanasia is before you try and say stuff about it, because putting down animals for being irreversibly sick is the ethical practice

Good god

You cry animal suffering but not doing so is making it worse?? God

Im glad you aint a vet.

[median edge]

Ok 👍🏽, once again arguing against things I didn't say

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/fiting-dogs-funng-trying-to-stop-my-friends-from-fighting-gif-5940954

[solid otter]

Im tired of people saying dumb shit when it comes to euthanasia

its tiresome.

[median edge]

I quite literally didn't say anything you are literally just arguing about anything. At no point did I say I was against euthanasia. But I really don't have the energy to play the "you must just be media illiterate idiot and a bad person if you say anything about my blorbo." Game with you tonight, thanks.

[tame canopy]

he was only granted sapiency a while ago and don't got internet /j

Anyway, my simple take on the cavia and the others' in-game sentiment toward albrecht is that they're all varying degrees of unreliable narrators, and so it's your discretion to pick where you wanna take these paths toward, to a degree that's offered

For better or worse, marie and tagfer has their opinions shaped by how albrecht interacted with them, and they can be both vaild and did nothing wrong from their POV but can still have conflict with each other for it

[solid otter]

Which is a reasonable take, my only issue is when people start making shit up based on those biases

[tame canopy]

really feeling that ebbs and flows of social interaction

[tame canopy]

Fairs, although I will say that this is a general remark I have, and not intended to be directed to the argument I just scrolled through.

[solid otter]

No its not just an issue with one person, its a continual thing

One time someone went off to say that uh

Albrecht must've abused Euleria because look at how she turned out

They be making shit up

[tame canopy]

Rip, but it is what is it, people making shit up is not unusual, especially for morally gray... antagonist?

He's not exactly one

[solid otter]

He's not either

He doesn't oppose us, he is with us

But he isnt exactly a protagonist

[tame canopy]

yeah, that's what im trying to say, he's not against us, narratively but he's like a... anti-hero? his goal are seemingly noble but his means and methods are incredibly dubious

(I only say seemingly, because there are pretty interesting theories on whether his motive for tackling wally is neccesarily traditionally good)

[solid otter]

These are methods he does not like, and is actively avoiding now that he did his whole redemption side quest

[tame canopy]

He got traumatized from doing kuva for continuity

so that's one I can think off lol

Anyway, im gonna change the topic, I don't have much in me for entrati rn

[solid otter]

Uhhh

I unfortunately can only think about them

[tame canopy]

lul

All right, random question then
what's keeping the entrati on deimos from fully succumbing to the infestation? I forgot if that's elaborated on

Also, they have certain spots in open world they are appear - I wonder if that's like, deliberately placed by them, or did their mutations just naturally connect them to a pre-exisiting network that they have to travel lol

[solid otter]

Mmm, nothing, maybe grandmother's tea stuff?

And. I do think they can just grow tbose flowers

[tame canopy]

Actually now that you brought that up, what even is those herbal teas

their flavor text indicate they can help with memories and the likes

[solid otter]

Drugs

[tame canopy]

Grandmother why do you have tea that can sort of mitigate the infestation's effect, that sounds potent as hell

[solid otter]

No clue, actually but it is weird

Nestawood tea.....

[tame canopy]

What's the text for that one?

[solid otter]

Oh, no that doesnt exist

Im just thinking about if it could

[tame canopy]

ok I found the section for it

Possible task names
Ravunai's Brew
Anti-Infestation Ointment
Necralisk Quality Decoction
Tissue Mending Balm
Dubious Unguent
Xaramitic Tincture
Void Infused Resin
Curious Oleum
Lavos' Draught
Spore Removal Gel
Regenerative Liquor
Moon Serpent Salve
Traditional Orokin Elixir
Infested Moon Extract
Authentic Ostron Cure-All
Counteractive Agent

Possible descriptions
Regrows tissue lost to the Infestation.
Repairs damaged neural networks.
Purges spore-related growths from the recipient.
Puts back a little of what Deimos has taken away.
Repairs, restores and reinvigorates.
Helps the system recover its natural balance.
Counteracts the myriad effects of the Infestation.
Soothes the physical and emotional pain of the Entrati.

Ok so it's alot more varied than I remembered

but also damm some of the names and effects are low key wild

Anti-Infestation Ointment yeah, lets rub this onto your sore spots and beat away the super plague for abit

"Lavos' Draught" Lavos' so legendary he got his own brand of drink like david from edgerunner

Ok to be a lil serious, the text appears to have varying meanings from metaphorical to literal

In the sense that they're all doing physical effects but there's also psychological effects to the recipients, ie, taking it help them recall their memories

Which would checks out, given that grandmother also have gives us goods from their storage that they previously never let go of

"Dubious Unguent" this name's so funny to me, grandma's giving out some freaky drugs with unknown effects

[solid otter]

Dear god

Thats a mucking list

soothes the physical and emotional pain of the Entrati

So like any good tea does

[median edge]

I totally get behind that, but it's also very fair for victims of someone to feel negatively towards the person who hurt them. Especially when it's not just them but several people, Albert™️ is a unreliable narrator on his own. He's kinda just shown himself through several people to be a manipulative self-centered dude.

There's kinda no end to the amount of people, animals, etc that we will go through. My main judgement towards him as a character actually don't come from others in game opinion but his own melodramatic notes and things he's said/done himself.

[shadow forum]

I think DE should make a scene about what and how that exactly hapenned with albrecht and how he found a void and wally with cutted finger when that all hapenned.
This would bring a whole explanation in the alot of things, The TAU must reveal all secrets behind this all, not just talking about it, but to feel the whole past with it.

[median edge]

Every quest I am like "surely this will explain things" only to have more questions 😭

[shadow forum]

[floral hawk]

how he found [a] void and wally with cutted finger
the voidtongue walls?

in the necralisk?

[shadow forum]

Did you ever visited dojo clan and got dagath warframe, in that room there is a story that grandma from deimos is talking about.

[shadow forum]

Maybe because albrecht was assigned to do research about it.

[floral hawk]

well yeah the voidtongue walls also explain how albrecht found the void and how the finger was severed

im not sure what youre trying to ask for?

[shadow forum]

To see how that man in the wall lost a finger.

And how albrecht got scared of wally moment.

Since in the hex wally used albrecht

[floral hawk]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/fragments-albrecht-entrati/

its all in there

?

its narrated in game when you interact with the walls near where necraloid the cephalon is

[dense ice]

The necraloid vendor, not the EDA necraloid with the cavia

[pastel pasture]

i still want a warframe lich system

make it like incarnons. by killing this new lich you get a warframe adapter

[floral hawk]

commandeered warframe lich ouu

or your evil frame twin

[pastel pasture]

that or give us a lich system where the real lich was the friends we didnt make along the way

[floral hawk]

lich made of every failed squad invitation

[rain otter]

Did you watch

Albretchs diemos fragments? @shadow forum

It's also his fist time he "actually traveled" to the Void successfully.

[mild marten]

Why aren't puncture, slash, gas, viral, corrosion, or blast progenitor elements for Kuva/Tenet weapons?

[real niche]

Because.

[floral hawk]

no lore reason for it its just because

[cerulean kiln]

Because the developers made it the way they wanted to not the way you want it to be

[floral hawk]

it would be nice and op to have a corro/viral progenitor tho

[cerulean kiln]

True

[zenith jacinth]

Impact is very out of place among the progenitor elements tbh

[floral hawk]

its the only other IPS

[real niche]

At this point it wouldn't even be crazy if they added the rest of the elements now

[median edge]

Yo.... I just finished the Glast Gambit and it made my heart hurt lol.

[night grail]

Slash was THE physical damage type for the majority of the game's lifespan.
Viral was also pretty meta so it would kinda just not give a point to the other options.
Corrosive was similar it used to be way more important and impactful.
Gas and blast idk because blast was shit for the longest time and gas is mostly niche

[hearty pendant]

i'd imagine magnetic wouldn't be a progenitor if it always had the effect it currently does
-# then again, we got magnetic mods right after that rework, so maybe it would

[small zinc]

is anyone else not getting the prompt to reunite loid and entrati family

[zenith jacinth]

Did the entire triad agree to help

[small zinc]

yurrpp

[zenith jacinth]

Has it been a day or 2

[small zinc]

yep

got lyons last dialogue yesterday

[zenith jacinth]

Welp, idk then

[small zinc]

but then no dialogue off any1 today

[amber terrace]

I know that Marie is a big fan of Albrecht(even if you convince her that Albrecht isn’t all miracles and sunshine), but what is Lyon’s opinions on Albrecht

[boreal pewter]

My impression was mixed but leaning against Albrecht's intentions. I could be wrong.

[shadow forum]

Albrecht did many things to put a stop to a wally,sentients on boarding a deimos( using a bomb to made infection on people who were there) and going to a future to bring messed up chaos to get away from wally.
Looks like his method is to get away from evil and the deal made with a wally.

[mild marten]

Hmmm. I like roguelites. When should I start playing Duviri? Both in terms of content unlocking and farming, and in terms of when it will make the most sense to start in the quest lines.

[shadow forum]

Collecting plants items for foundry stuff, finding hidden fragments and somachords across duviri in timezone day and night different maps and areas, getting arcanes from steel path fights in duviri.
2 full weeks give it or take it.

12 hours a day

[chilly pine]

generally i dont recommend starting duviri until you get to new war as they kind of need eachother to make sense story wise

[tame canopy]

True, even in the most charitable interpretation you can pick in the KIM chats with the hex on the topic of albrecht, they still dislike him heavily for what he's done to them, and rightly so.

[ocean furnace]

after new war is a good idea I think

[tame canopy]

The hex finale shows that he appears to have perceived his deficit, and has decided to show us the means to defeat it through love

He still did alot of horrible things and left terrible consequences in his wake, but he... at least is attempting to be better at this, so if nothing else, I consider him to be on our side in resolving the conflict with wally

(that doesn't mean I neccesarily sided with him in KIM, I still consider his impact toward the cavia, the hex, etc and picked the options that acknowledged their negative feelings toward him)

[ornate carbon]

did the triad come out of left field for no reason and loid just brang out a orokin protoframe for shits and giggles

i dont think we get any kind of answers
not in the activities anyway

[solid otter]

Yeah pretty much

[balmy storm]

They did kinda just show up from our perspective
Roathe made a portal using his infested blood

[candid finch]

I've heard some people say that the New War meant more to them ||when they saw their drifter come out, as they hadn't pieced together that the O and D were the same person||

[lofty girder]

I mean, the main difference is that when you see the drifter you're not asking "who" but rather "why?"

[candid finch]

Indeed, I mean I was saying all through the New War pre-release chat that the Op was going to get aged up during the quest, everyone told me I was wrong but that was still the lens I went in with so I was kind of expecting it, my gf is playing through now knowing none of the lore (I told her most things but she doesn't remember) so we'll prolly just into Duviri around the Natah quest

[shadow forum]

hey this may sound crazy, but what if they said void powers used that story book of the duviri, can thst same void powers use to make a tau planet or lotus need to find it again,throught the tenno mind.

What if it the tau is behind those clouds who have been lighting in the orokin system.

[lofty girder]

but Tau is a real place?

[shadow forum]

And we saw the planet battlefield too.

Throught a dream, but still how will they make to the tau.

I hope shadowgrapher give us some clue of story for that purpose.

[lofty girder]

Praghasa, the zariman, the old destroyed Rail

[shadow forum]

What if the shadowgrapher had some secret quest,where many players must find the truth. Before 7 or 8 month of this year to be revealed.

[hearty pendant]

the shadowgrapher seems largely unrelated
especially with it being behind Chains of Harrow rather than recent content

[fading current]

Doubting it with this specific update. It’s looking like it’ll have no ties to the on going storyline. Just a filler mission to describe follies origins and more horror stories most likely
And even with that new perita secret mode added. I highly doubt that means anything towards the actual narrative

[shadow forum]

Hm interesting

[obtuse gyro]

I keep hearing talk about this secret mode but I dont remember where it came from

or what it entails

[hearty pendant]

they showed it for like 20 seconds on the devstream, something w/ "Guilt"
somewhere around level 265, the image showed the hunhullus, vanguard, and dactolyst images w/ a red overlay

[fading current]

Yea that specific guilt mode seems to be a combo of all 3 final bosses in one mission or something

[lofty girder]

20 plat that DE forgor to remove tellurium from the guilty mode because its technically an archwing mission

[mild marten]

Is the only way to identify corpus amalgam units to scan them and memorize them from the codex or wiki?

[rotund falcon]

does anyone know when "the guilty" mode will drop, or is it alr out?

[hearty pendant]

w/ the shadowgrapher on march 25th, no?

[rotund falcon]

prob

[lethal vortex]

I still think more could have been done to the ||Protector Stalker||, instead of just slapping green emissive onto him and calling it a day

[cerulean kiln]

Not really unless you wanted the frame to be fully green it is just reskinned Excal after all

[lethal vortex]

I meant in terms of abilities, i mean he could use his old ones but i thought he'd have new ones too

[cerulean kiln]

Painting your face green doesn’t really change your abilities on any frame

[undone lodge]

Wait we can use abilities during the JS end segment?

[cerulean kiln]

Don’t think so

[lethal vortex]

Nevermind, this is going nowhere

[cerulean kiln]

He’s too busy getting shot at to use them

While holding a child

[light sable]

can someone explain the warframe paths to me

[balmy storm]

What paths?

[balmy storm]

Madurai is about hitting hard
Unairu is about surviving longer
Vazarin is support
Zenurik supplies energy
Naramon is melee

You can unlock them all later so you’re just picking which to start with

I would recommend Unairu or Zenurik personally, but Zenurik may be more valuable earlier on purely for the energy regen

[static warren]

I need help to kill the tank. I dont like those secret bosses 😔

[balmy storm]

I believe you need to do it solo

[boreal pewter]

for the chest attachment challenge you can do it with others

so theoretically they can do the work and you can focus on surviving

you only have to do it solo for the accolade glyphs

took me many tries and the first time I solod my hands were shaking, same with Vor.

But once you figure it out, it comes easy.

[amber terrace]

Where would I go to ask about Techrot enemy visual designs?

[boreal pewter]

tennocon vip probably but tickets are already sold out
otherwise twitter maybe

[steep totem]

<@&778745217037238293>

[balmy storm]

What are you wanting to know?

[amber terrace]

Where in the seven Orokin hells is the arc welder supposed to be here? I see the gas can, but not the welding machine???

[balmy storm]

It might be in the techrot

[fringe pond]

You’re most definitely missing the point lmao

[undone lodge]

Tbf. Stalker’s abilities aren’t exactly the easiest to modify with Jade Light

Ig he could have like, a Jade Mote-superpowered Slash Dash? Extra damage for Absorb?

[cerulean kiln]

The point is red blue orange or green he is still the same Stalker model

[fringe pond]

That is
Not at all the point

[cerulean kiln]

It is though

[fringe pond]

They literally said ability wise even 💀
They’re basically saying Stalker should have been reworked

[undone lodge]

Can’t exactly just give him something like one of Jade’s abilities with how far they are from what he can do

[uncut solar]

Just give everything green heat dmg

[fringe pond]

Get him to do something different rather than the same old stuff again

THAT is the point

No clue why you’re getting stuck on the colours

[uncut solar]

Grrenm....

[fringe pond]

Truee

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-elmo-green-elmo-mscelmo-gif-24557102

[cerulean kiln]

There’s no point in reworking a frame we will never get access to outside of very specific content type

[undone lodge]

Yeah, and unless they changed his ability set entirely, unrelated to Jade Shadows (as specified by the other guy), then he doesn’t really have anything that’d make sense to be significantly changed, since him as a Warframe hasn’t actually been changed

[fringe pond]

Hm
Did hate get slash waves?

I remember seeing that during the quest

[cerulean kiln]

The weapon got a rework

[fringe pond]

Specifically while wielded by stalker

Cause in-quest it had slashes

[undone lodge]

No we just don’t actually have his version

We have a skin

Like it could be because of him, but we don’t get anything that says or actually indicates that, he’s just the only one that can do it because he’s the only one with the real Enlightened Hate or whatever it’s called

[cerulean kiln]

Only one who got hit with the green paint

[fringe pond]

DE Gave us the incarnon so at least we can mimic it

DE should give him the Incarnon

More slash per slash

[forest kiln]

His hate vs my hate is not even close

Dude was one shotting everything

[lament mirage]

Anyone know when the next nightwave will be out? 😅😂

[zenith jacinth]

no

[tame canopy]

this feels a lil funny out of context lol

Stalker just got that Black Air Force Energy

[floral hawk]

going hatred for hatred is crazy

[median edge]

This is such a funny conversation

It's so sweet he wants to make you soup tho 😭

[uncut solar]

I love how it has nothing you can do to salvage the suffering

[lofty girder]

Arthur should've asked Velimir, he'd deep fry the spaghetti

[floral hawk]

we end as we began

[wise solstice]

If that one form of Natah (Eidolon Lotus) is comparable to an Eidolon (hence the name)
That means Ballas would be able to take down Eidolons

Which is crazy considering we canonically struggle against them
(Not in gameplay)

[mighty whale]

despite it being named eidolon lotus, i dont even see her as a eidolon, but again she was pretty strong asf in new war but again drifter was debuffed too soo

[wise solstice]

She isn’t literally an Eidolon, I think it’s named Eidolon lotus because that was kinda what her power could be compared to at the time

Which makes sense if you consider how she looks at the time aswell

[floral hawk]

isnt she an eidolon because she's fragmented the same way the PoE eidolons are

[wise solstice]

Yeah pretty much

[mighty whale]

chat is ts real

[wise solstice]

Which would technically make her the strongest Eidolon around that time considering The Lotus at (maybe) full power was able to hold back Wally for a short amount of time

[floral hawk]

huh

i thought eidolons are a category of sentients entirely bound to PoE because they're all a piece of the same sentient

greyscale i trust you take it away

[wise solstice]

Fair

[hearty pendant]

the eidolons on the plains are pieces of a gigantic sentient, eidolon lotus is. an eidolon of lotus
obv she wasn't very powerful in that form, either
and she's only able to "hold wally back" (if that's what's happening, i'm personally unclear on it) after consuming ballas + that final archon shard

[wise solstice]

Which fully restored her. Probably not her full power, but still somewhere around that area

[hearty pendant]

at which point, she'd no longer be an eidolon

[wise solstice]

Still the same entity, but fully restored
My point was, when she was fully restored, she was able to hold back, or whatever she did, to a being that’s near godlike.
If she was able to do that with what she had at the time, then she was still pretty strong as her Eidolon form.

Her Eidolon form is most likely half, or maybe a quarter of her Radiant form power wise. Which is still pretty damn strong if you think about what she did while at what probably wasn’t even her full power

Anyways, G’night

[obtuse gyro]

I mean "eidolon" is just a state.

It would be trying to say the average zombie on thriller bark are the exact same in terms of power as zombie oars

And like "holding back wally" is quite the stretch for what she was doing at the end of TNW

throwing up a shield for you and the kid behind you isnt some insane feat

[floral hawk]

i took it more as protecting us. wally was not being impeded at all that thing was frolicking

emoted on us and left

[obtuse gyro]

hell, can we even take it as wally actively attacking?

[obtuse gyro]

yea, it emoted and dipped

[lofty girder]

Fairly sure Eidolon is supposed to be ironic, it means "ideal person" both the PoE Eidolon and Lotus Eidolon are shadows of their ideal (original/true) selves

[floral hawk]

I generally go with the literatural definition of "spirit-image/lookalike/image of the dead"

not sure if literatural is the right word i just like neologisms. but you get me

especially because the poe eidolons are simply "apparatitions" of what-was

you could say that eidolon lotus is the now-almost-unsubstantial spirit-image of her/a shade/an apparatition left of her

i see where you can interpret it as ironic, though, and thats a fun thought

here lies The Ideal! an eidolon of the all-loving, all-forgiving, all-caring mother!

also in hindsight powerscaling our mother is funny

i think margulis beats all the other lotuses if we give her pre-scarred self a Smith & Wesson

[mild marten]

Are there any achwing missions with the infested as the primary, or at least a significant enemy?

[lofty girder]

Jordas Golem

Just you and a transport ship sized infested

[undone lodge]

IIRC there used to be Empyrean stuff with them too?

[lofty girder]

I mean.... The coda confrontation

[undone lodge]

Doesn’t count, not standard content

I’m talking like, actual, base stuff

[undone lodge]

There was like, Railjack resources for it, at least

[cerulean kiln]

In terms of just Archwing missions there’s just Jordas iirc

[lofty girder]

Archwing is already half-baked with terrible mods, now we have to contend with toxin procs in space?

At least rolling guard works in archwing, or is it only open world

[night grail]

There's orokin towers that are infested as a point of interest but thats all

[faint quiver]

Ahh so this iz

[solid otter]

Yuppers

[faint quiver]

Ahh okeoke

[solid otter]

You like. Got a question or anything

[faint quiver]

Nah i just want to flex as a newbie here

[solid otter]

Fair enough

[faint quiver]

Im done with second dream

[solid otter]

Sick. Banger quest

[faint quiver]

I saw lotus

[solid otter]

All the quests go hard actually

[faint quiver]

She good

[solid otter]

The lotus is good

[faint quiver]

Big Win

[solid otter]

[eternal flume]

usually

[undone lodge]

Glast Gambit 🔥 🔥

[solid otter]

Yeah usually. I unfortunately don't trust her fully, only if its because I don't know the intentions of the other two

[eternal flume]

waverider
quest is mid, yareli (normal) has dumb lore

[solid otter]

I.

I cannot locate Eleanor

Can the hex just leave ??

[undone lodge]

Have you used the fast travel

[thick iron]

ez loadout

[solid otter]

No like inside the backrooms 😭

Shes gone

[undone lodge]

Damn

Guess even she gets tired of all the tongue jokes after a point

[solid otter]

Eleanor where are you

[floral hawk]

was it noted down that the Zariman failed to jump not because [whatever] but because they ignored safety precautions?

honestly, poor Yonta. In eternity left wondering "If I could do it again, we'd make it"

[solid otter]

Mm, it is mentioned... maybe in the rankups?

[floral hawk]

oh, Suda's an Archimedean?

makes sense

NOO AUTOMOD I'M NOT SPAMMING I'M PUTTING DOWN YONTA'S LINES

it was this one

tears himself in half, hm

[solid otter]

Thats not worrisome at all

[median edge]

Wrong, yari has some of the best lore 💙

[solid otter]

Yeah, she had like. Some form of neurological disease, she willingly became a cephalon to stop it iirc

[floral hawk]

ahh, i see

[zenith jacinth]

Backroom hex vanish if you go there via the mall door

[opaque dove]

She was. But she was suffering a Neurodegenerative disease and was glassed to preserve the knowledge she bore

[night grail]

Yeah let me go grab a link rq

https://www.warframe.com/en/media/comics/what-remains

[floral hawk]

thanks!

[night grail]

Oh I didnt even see you saying this i was just like "oh yeah I THINK we found out with that one Octavia's Anthem comic"

Anyways we still have never seen the space braton since

[eternal flume]

prime is cool
og is not

[solid otter]

Bro missed the iconic Thomas 💔

[median edge]

I think youre wrong but it's okay, to each his own lol /genuinely

[eternal flume]

I just think waverider's story isnt that good
she attacked the guy, ran away from him for a day, nearly got demolished, and really only survived because of the people she saved stopping vul-smth

[shadow forum]

hey if wonder, I hope we hear a crazy story that we get back in the past,where wally and man in the wall were made, that plot twist would become one of the ways to find out how to defeat wally, when albrecht couldn't.

[zenith jacinth]

We already know how wally was made. Also, wally and man in the wall are the same thing

[floral hawk]

^

[fringe pond]

Comic jumpscare

[south pewter]

Whats the story behind lavos's creation, before him being a jailer

[fringe pond]

There isn’t any
I don’t remember him having a prime trailer

Yeah he doesn’t

The only info about him is from his leverian and prime description

Anyway:

[solid otter]

Fish and the fascist 😭

Their dad's choices are the fish and the fascist

[fringe pond]

To be fair people think the other facist is hot

So that’s not particularly unusual for this community

[solid otter]

True

[thick iron]

i was pleasantly surprised by how not difficult this weeks EDA/ETA is, it was a breath of fresh air (lets not talk about my rewards though)

[zenith jacinth]

No tank?

[thick iron]

yeah the last stage is defense

exterminate/survival/defense

[zenith jacinth]

The tank is genuinely the only thing I ever have issues with, not counting getting terrible weapon rolls with a mitosis legacyte hunt like last week

It's totally a fair form of difficulty to get thanos snapped by nothing as I'm on the other side of the p1 arena

[thick iron]

i have the peely pix for spawning an rpg so i tend to use that every time for the tank. other than that.. yeah idk i hate that boss lmao.

[zenith jacinth]

Every time I get sent straight to spectate without even entering bleedout I need to take at least a week long break

[orchid yarrow]

ok, This isnt a spoiler per-say however I need an outside opinion on of the outfit for my operator is to edgy

[thick jolt]

It is I the edgyness critic, i will be merciless

[orchid yarrow]

shadow....its me.....da devil

[thick jolt]

12/edgy

[orchid yarrow]

HELL I need to get it down to a solid 7

[thick jolt]

Add colors

Usually helps to not just be red and black

Doesnt even have to be bright colors

Just some variation

[orchid yarrow]

based advice. I wish I had more palette's cause most of the colours I have access to are like puke: (x)

which is really weird when (x) is orange

[thick jolt]

Well aside from the current shamrock one i guess you'd have to wait till halloween for more free color palletes

[balmy storm]

What Syandana is that

[orchid yarrow]

Its one of the tennogen wing ones

away from game atm

[orchid yarrow]

I have the Halloween one rip

[thick jolt]

There's two iirc

[floral hawk]

so edgy you're Uriel 2 i'm sorry

[orchid yarrow]

Oh no

[glass grove]

Which frame do I use for New War? Canonically, which is the Drifter/Operator using?

[floral hawk]

1. whatever is your favourite 2) whatever you are using

theres no "canon" frame our op/dr uses unless you count the old peace excal prime or regular excal in [future quest]

your lore is what you make of it

[fading current]

And umbra

[floral hawk]

and umbra

[fading current]

We really like Excalibur lol. Which…mood. That’s my boy.

[floral hawk]

i find it cute that he wanders around the orbiter lol wonder what he does. pet the dog? roll around in the grass at the camp?

[fading current]

Stares at the clouds with Ordis…omg

[floral hawk]

awwww

[floral hawk]

i GUESS the closest thing to a ""canon"" frame are the excaliburs

[fading current]

It’d be cool if they could do what they did with the protos and implement that with umbra around the orbiter/drifter camp or something like it

[floral hawk]

truthnuke i want to play catch with dad

[fading current]

SAME😭😭

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, there are the two excals, and one uriel, so thats 3 frames that the operator has canonically operated

[floral hawk]

and uriel yeah

i forgot about the dog

[pastel pasture]

so what's Follie's deal?

like i saw she could summon stuff like defense targets....but why?

[zenith jacinth]

Paint

[pastel pasture]

that is a meaningless word you just said

you have been docked 15000 min points

[balmy storm]

We don’t mnow

[zenith jacinth]

Schnitzelmann

[balmy storm]

We were just having a convo about how she can summon the RPG in #lore-discussion

[floral hawk]

shakily raises hand asides from art/ink/painting/roscachrhxhchr we dont really know

[zenith jacinth]

Follie paints stuff

Stuff exists

[balmy storm]

If Warframe abilities are really based off of Void energy then she could just be accessing some form of conceptual embodiment

Art is both emotional and conceptual so if anything could focus conceptual embodiment into something specific, it could be art

Which Duviri is technically art so
Maybe art is the key

[lofty girder]

I mean, unless we see gamemode follie summon an RPG, its very likely we're just pulling from the Tenno's memory

[floral hawk]

but chronologically its set before we know about scaldra RPGs?

unless its a "unlock as you go" thing

[glass grove]

Well, considering frames are used by the Tenno, it's likely they'd only be able to create things they know.

[thick jolt]

yeahhh just remembered

infested dont care about time remember?

helminth is in 1999

[floral hawk]

fair

helminth sits her down and goes (ok do you know what a Rocket Propelled Grenade is)

[thick jolt]

more like "remember rpgs?" "you do now"

[thick iron]

gonna crash out istg i got WAY too many of these

[balmy storm]

I’d prefer having these over blues ngl

I love casting speed

[thick iron]

well true but most frames i use have pretty fast cast speeds honestly + i use madurai

[balmy storm]

I forgot madurai does that

[thick iron]

tryna make my no brain reave oneshot revenant

so i am in desperate need for tauforged reds

[lean plover]

why does the drifter …… look like that ….. i see tiktoks of good looking drifters and i look at mine and im like?

is it good face blends? is it mods?

[fading current]

What does your drifter look like…? lol

[hearty pendant]

highly unlikely to be mods
some people spend a lot of time messing with face blends n such, yes

[solid otter]

If its masc drifter they will look a lil ugly unfortunately

[lofty girder]

Hopefully the new faces will remedy that

[amber terrace]

Rate the idea for a Höllvanian Chroma proto. There’s the guy himself(haven’t thought of a name yet) and then there’s the Dragon, which is the Effigy. The Dragon would be more pure Helminth à la Lizzie. Most of the time when communicating with Chroma, Dragon is who you’re mostly talking with. It’s very harsh, sometimes even being openly hostile, Dragon wants to raze Höllvania to the ground, Hex included. The base mind, on the other hand, comes around less often and is more Don Quixote than anything and wants nothing to do with Dragon. The goal of the KIM chats is to help Dragon and the base mind come to the understanding that Dragon is all of the base mind’s negativity and maladaptive traits given a horrifying, and somewhat exaggerated, form

[lofty girder]

Counter points, the effigy is just the guy's pet lizard who's hungry

[fading current]

I like this idea tbh. Would be interesting to see a proto handle this situation.

[uncut solar]

It's a sentient fursuit

[hearty pendant]

i think my only criticism is how similar the arc would be to Flare + Lizzie's
but that could also be a good thing, emphasizing how both of them deal with a similar situation in different ways

[dry dawn]

Pretty flower

[uncut solar]

Instead, they should add more to the triad

[floral hawk]

fourad

[uncut solar]

And have chroma be there, as a knight with a "dragon" pelt

And someone else with him

[uncut solar]

No just give it a different name

Like Hex and Roundtable

[hearty pendant]

the devil's triad + one guy /s

[floral hawk]

"the devil's triad + some guy"

[uncut solar]

Chroma and uhh

Who else with Chroma

[hearty pendant]

my immediate thought is equinox but she should've been part of the triad, not an add-on

[floral hawk]

uhhhhhhh

Atlas looks like he's meant to be a teutonic knight, at least...?

[uncut solar]

Someone who's also decently old

[floral hawk]

and Atlas looks old. He's got wrinkles everywhere

[uncut solar]

I meant release date

[lofty girder]

Chroma, equinox, and whoever else is basically multiple people in a trench coat

[hearty pendant]

obv choice then is rhino

[uncut solar]

"whoever else" is the new warframe to market the update

Obviously

The Glorpquinox

[lofty girder]

Yeah but who else has schizophrenia as a gameplay mechanic

[floral hawk]

chroma is also close to atlas, 2015? unless we're staggering the release dates so we have old coot -> newer -> newest

[floral hawk]

the Reworquinox

[hearty pendant]

-# mirage

[dry dawn]

whoaaaa my drifter looks daper af

[solid otter]

Thats operator, but yeah :)

[dry dawn]

thats what i meant

haven't used em in ages

[solid otter]

Fair enough. Yeah the tauron academy suit is awesome

Too bad you can't get it anymore

[floral hawk]

caliban resurgence PLEASE

[solid otter]

Though, the wisp prime suit's main body is similar enough

[dry dawn]

Wait is that Margulus?

[solid otter]

Woe

[solid otter]

Mhm. She's honestly gotten the most screen time in that quest than before I think

[dry dawn]

she looks pretty cool

[floral hawk]

ol' marge

[lofty girder]

Can't wait to get a new amp skin

[floral hawk]

please 😭 wont they let the kids carry sirocco!guns

[dry dawn]

kinda wish we could get the outfit

i need to work on a amp gun asap

[floral hawk]

caliban p resurgence and itll appear for regal aya

<- blew money on the templar fit during eoy harrow resurg

[uncut solar]

But there's an amp sirocco skin

[floral hawk]

are we showing off op fits today

[floral hawk]

for the operator?

i never realized that

[dry dawn]

Yikes, gonna need Chicken Invaders for this one hehe

[floral hawk]

holy unlocked memory

how Old is chicken invaders

[dry dawn]

pretty old but somewhat still alive i have the game collection on my phone

27 years old now, im 2 years younger than the series itself lol

[floral hawk]

i played the 2006 release 😭

[dry dawn]

same

[solid otter]

Fire fire

I hate my drifter with a burning passion

[verbal drift]

Hi everyone! Is anyone here from Tankograd?

[ashen pewter]

anyone else feel like when you go back to Larunda after second batch hex bringing a Kubrow should trigger an exited response?

brought my oldest good boi after my first reset and was a bit disappointed it isn't commented on

i want an option to offer her a kubrow

[undone lodge]

Wait she had screentime before?

Aside from Natargulotus stuff

I thought we just had voicelines

[solid otter]

Im counting the like. Yeah.

[undone lodge]

Ah

[solid otter]

Swear we've seen her before though

Mm. When we go to see the lotus and ballas takes her away?

[floral hawk]

just the back of her head

apostasy prologue

[solid otter]

Thats screentime

[floral hawk]

and uhhhhhhhhhh TNW, veiled ballas

[solid otter]

Oh my god yeah thats where

[safe comet]

I just finished The Jade Shadow and man... im both baffled and speechless on the things that conspired

[floral hawk]

yeah the stalker is a single dad

and someone in DE really liked Children of Men

[safe comet]

Ngl i didn't know warframes could get preggos, guess i know why there are some "art" got canonized lmao

[floral hawk]

she was pregnant before being warframed

did the shaboingboing with Sorren before she was punished into being warframed

[safe comet]

Also not to be mean but it was written like a badly delivered manhwa

But i did like the scenes where we learn about stalkers past and all but man that ending when they let him go is crazy wierd haha

[floral hawk]

its entirely just for a movie reference

[hearty pendant]

random corpus woman has empathy and loses a big promotion over it

[safe comet]

A true corpus woulda kidnap that child and we'd have a while main story quest

Which tbh i woulda liked that

[floral hawk]

^ and smth about how failing the sisterhood(?) has(?) consequences(?) i remember the line

[hearty pendant]

mhm, the sisterhood doesn't give second chances
she lost her chance to get in, might've lost her job and/or her life as well over that

[safe comet]

I guess the last note i have for the story is... man that sister was kind of a baddie conpared to the other one... just sayin'

[floral hawk]

id tap the briefly ethical billionaire

[safe comet]

Oh i guess there is one more thing im kinda wondering about

[solid otter]

Id. Id tap Nhill, the unethical bazillionaire

[safe comet]

Its that we can play as stalker but we still haven't got a stalker helmet sold in the store

[solid otter]

Realistically would i? No

[safe comet]

DE why

[solid otter]

But hes pretty

[floral hawk]

yeah 💔 i want to look like an egg

[solid otter]

Mm. Could be a myriad of reasons

I wanna bet it has something to do with not confusing players

[hearty pendant]

you can play him in duviri at least
provided he shows up

[safe comet]

My edgy homeboy retired and we STILL haven't got his helmet bruh

[hearty pendant]

could be

[floral hawk]

provided you have opportunity at 10

[solid otter]

You can only ever play as stalker when he physically cannot appear i think

[cosmic prawn]

PVP Stalker mode was something they talked about for years, but never followed through with.

[lofty girder]

Wasn't he an option during BoTB

Like you could talk to ordis and play as the Stalker and show up in random lobbies as a hidden 5th

[balmy storm]

Still wonder where Duviri sralker came from

[balmy storm]

Yup!

I think lore-wise it was more so him just helping us rather than our Tenno controlling him

[lofty girder]

Conceptual embodiment shenanigananery

[floral hawk]

taking an off-day from tenno hunting to frolic in duviri

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t sound like it

“An ally from an unknown time and place. Stalker is a powerful force within the shadows.”

He’s not really our ally in the present but maybe Duviri-Stalker is a future version of Stalker

[lofty girder]

Conceptual Embodiment Shenanigananery

[balmy storm]

I hate to say it but

It could be eternalism…

[lofty girder]

Uh oh, you said the E word

[balmy storm]

I know
I have sinned

Even though it is a valid explanation for some things

[floral hawk]

🚨

[balmy storm]

Like 2
maybe 3-4 things

[uncut solar]

Or more if you consider-

[balmy storm]

I’d prefer Duviri-Stalker is future him or something

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-loser-tiny-kitten-explode-gif-15623895175038521381

[balmy storm]

What happens when you say the E word

[uncut solar]

Gulphagor attaches to your face

[floral hawk]

we do this to orion/sirius when duviri stalker is out and about

[lofty girder]

Idk, usually someone starts arguing

[balmy storm]

Oh he def isn’t helping us in Duviri then

[floral hawk]

the missile? follie's rpg

[shadowgrapher title card]

[floral hawk]

you get a magnetic proc and your hud gets scrambled

[lofty girder]

Why can't we make our own RPGs, we have Thermia!

Imagine if we could kill the Exploiter orb with it

[uncut solar]

We do have missile launchers

How's Ogris not one

[lofty girder]

Need to farm an ogris

Later... Shadowgrapher

[uncut solar]

Kuva liches straight up go Rambo style

And attach missiles to arrows

[floral hawk]

Thermia Ogris...

think of what we could have

[uncut solar]

Uhh

Nightwatch Napalm??

[floral hawk]

more

does the corpus have rocket launchers? i forgot

[uncut solar]

They mostly have grenade launchers

Angstrum, Penta

[undone lodge]

Got his jade motes stolen by Parvos and thrown into the Void 😔

[vague tulip]

im looking forward to the wonderful Coda Bubonico update

[opaque dove]

Or his hatred simply defies the shackles of this reality

[fringe pond]

Being able to play as shadow and protector stalker in duviri seems fire though

[faint quiver]

Why this

Eh

[balmy storm]

Bugged ):

[balmy storm]

I believe this however is normal

[thick iron]

how does one acquire this profile picture in game

[lofty girder]

Fairly sure that's one of the creator code glyphs

[thick iron]

found it, thanks

[ornate carbon]

ngl they should try and reinstate every single unob cc glyph they have when the streamer gets back into wf again

[tranquil monolith]

it is sooooo crazy when shovexcalibur showed up

INSANE 🪏

[real niche]

<@&778745217037238293>

[pastel pasture]

what happened

[glass grove]

What's the point of the Natah/Lotus/Margulis choice?

(In New War)

[umbral yoke]

Visual

[thick iron]

think about it like this, she's asking you who you see her as and who you think she should be. The only real wrong choice is margulis imo lmao. Natah is her birth name, and i think is her and you accepting her origins and facing the reality of the situation. Lotus is the name she chose for herself when she was protecting the tenno, it represents who she is through her own actions.

if you mean like, gameplay differences, her name will show up in missions as whatever you pick. The visual can change, but you get a free skin for the name that you pick.

[thick jolt]

While the player is making the choice
The choice in lore is made by herself

[thick iron]

i didn't remember the specifics, but yeah that makes more sense. it is her moment after all

[runic latch]

So in a different server I'm in, someone mentioned that they have an interpretation of the Lotus being plural.

i went with Margulis, my reasoning being that i kinda interpreted the entire situation as Lotus being plural and we were just helping her decide on who was fronting. she is all 3 at the same time and always will be.

While I have some knowledge of plurality, I don't feel I have enough to say one way or the other if I read the Lotus the same way... but I do think that interpretation does make some amount of sense to me?

I do admit that it could be read as just an in-character way to let the player choose which Lotus skin is visible - but still.

I'm kinda curious what y'all think.

...Oh, y'all are talking about that exact choice LOL

[median edge]

I have seen people say this a lot and I disagree as some literally with OSDID. That's not really how it works.

[thick jolt]

Not gonna speak on osdid since i know nearlu nothing about it

But the 3 personalities being there and she just choosing the one who leads is NOT an interpretation it is spelled out in dialogue

@runic latch

[runic latch]

No worries, I saw. Just thinking on how to respond, or if I really have anything to add.

[thick jolt]

I just had forgotten to actually use repply so @ after lol

[runic latch]

fair

[unreal coral]

pet the tenno

[thick jolt]

Thats not a tenno akiro...

[runic latch]

Do you think you could elaborate on what you mean?

[median edge]

Contrary to pop culture, DID/OSDID aka plurality, multiple personality disorder, etc. Is rather specific in the formation. It is specifically formed from childhood trauma and becomes more prominent later in life.

People on the Internet unfortunately use "plurality" and such way related terms to our real medical disorder too loosely. ie: hosting/front. It's not really a word that some like myself like to use due to it being reductionist of our experiences and used incorrectly like this. It's a rather insensitive comparison.

For instance, hosting isn't just picking one traumatized version of yourself to front now and forever. That is antithetical to how most systems work. A system is just that, usually a complex interworking of parts managing different or sometimes overlapping concepts.

Systems are different for each individual but I viewed the choice as a more metaphysical one.
Like, it was more an aspect of her memories and self literally being edited. More science fiction than anything to do with a real life traumagenic disorder.

While it's possible there was inspirations from our disorder or misinformation about it online that the writers took, I wouldn't be surprised, that's just overall not how it works in reality.

Further reading; did-research. org

[uncut solar]

I kinda just assumed that Lotus has kind of an... Easier? Way to switch whole "identities"

She's been designed as a mimic

creating her own identity was more of a personal expression than the fact she had multiple that were forced upon her essentially

[median edge]

Yes yes yes you get me

[undone lodge]

The way she phrases it seems more like the specific one chosen as leader/“front” is temporary, rather than permanent

Natah: "The times ahead will need decisiveness. Power. I shall be Natah."

Lotus: "I see violence and suffering in our future. We will need compassion and strength in equal measure… I am the Lotus."

Margulis: "Narmer has divided the world, leaving a deep wound. We need healing. I am Margulis."

[runic latch]

From what I've understood, being in multiple plurality-focused communities myself, plurality isn't just traumagenic systems, though.

Multiple times, I've encountered endogenic systems. Endogenic is an umbrella term for systems that are not completely traumagenic in origin. For example, some systems are deliberately formed through tulpamancy (the art of purposefully creating headmates).

So I'm sort of confused why plurality is being narrowed to trauma-related origins in your message?

[median edge]

Ahhhh it's because you believe into endogenics, that's why

[runic latch]

...Oh.

In that case, I would really rather not have this conversation. I'm not interested in conversing with anti-endo folks. Sorry.

[twin spoke]

Endogenics are harmful to the community and they spread tons of misinformation. If you choose to believe in that garbage thats your decision but they genuinely hurt real people with real disorders

[median edge]

I have no idea why anyone would choose to have a traumatic disorder to be honest 😭

I hate the Internet 😭

[twin spoke]

I have did personally and i also have a very. Colorful. History with endos. Im not gonna get super into it bc im not in the mood to fight but you cant just pretend you have a disorder you dont have so you can play pretend with your friends on the internet. Its harmful and disgusting

[uncut solar]

[median edge]

I think endogenic misinformation is why so many people think Lotus is "plural" unfortunately 😭

[twin spoke]

Friends in my head ass bullshit

[runic latch]

It's less that I think they're pretending, and more that - having been in trans communities - gatekeeping an absolute no-go for me. I do not see a reason to deny someone's plurality - especially insulting it by calling it garbage - just because there is no medical reason for them feeling the way they do.

[twin spoke]

Trans is not a mental illness. Did is.

[median edge]

That's in insane comparison 😭😭😭

[twin spoke]

I am also, incidentally, trans, and comparing endo discourse to trans discourse is INSANE

Do you also say sysmed and traumascum?

[runic latch]

I don't recall ever calling trans a "mental illness", or ever saying that DID wasn't.

[twin spoke]

The brain isnt built to just split like that for no reason

[median edge]

You saying there's not medical reason is literally the point 😭 there's no medical or scientific evidence

[twin spoke]

The splitting that happens with any REAL form of "plurality" happens initially in very early childhood. Yes splits can happen later too, but only if your brain already learned to do that as result of extreme trauma in early childhood

Do some research. Carrds dont count

[runic latch]

I did - look up "More than one"

er

"More than one plurality"

[median edge]

I have seen that website, it has absolutely so statistics, science, anything. Just a website of misinformation.

[twin spoke]

Weebly, wordpress, pluralpedia. None of these are reputable sources.

[runic latch]

those aren't the websites i was referring to
if i could link it, i would
but you'll have to search up "more than one plurality" to get the right website
it ends in .info

[median edge]

Like conversative websites that just say trans people are bad with no evidence.

Okay let's go about this a different way

[twin spoke]

I literally cannot find whatever youre trying to make me look at but i assure you if theres no science on the site it has a sub zero chance of changing my mind

[runic latch]

I DM'd the link to you, i have no idea why duckduckgo isn't returning it for you considering I also use DDG

[median edge]

So, they main issue of why it's harmful because it is anti-recovery. Endogenic spaces encourage splitting and feeding into the negative aspects, not therapy or healing

[runic latch]

I have never encountered a pro-endo space that has been anti-recovery.

[twin spoke]

Even if an endo actually is plural and just in denial of their trauma/disorder (and im not saying people like that dont exist), endos actively encourage splitting, and trading alters, and all kinds of other bullshit, most of which is simply impossible. Dont try and tell me thats not true, they LITERALLY DID IT TO ME

[median edge]

Man this conversation is just depressing 💔😭 I hate the Internet sometimes

[runic latch]

I never said any of that. I know there are plenty of bad people in every community. And if you've had bad experiences with some folks, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope future experiences are better.

But the "endogenic systems aren't real" stance is far too gatekeep-y for me to really accept it.

Not to mention, I have met many endos who have never once ever said any of those sorts of things - so to me, to hear it being applied across all endos, I can only see that as a generalization - the bad sort of generalization.

[twin spoke]

Can we gatekeep cancer next? Or the flu?

[runic latch]

Anyways, I'm not interested in continuing this conversation, if these sorts of arguments (especially bad-faith ones like "Can we gatekeep cancer next? Or the flu?") are what's to be expected.

[twin spoke]

Bad faith argument: "dont call it gatekeeping for someone to say not to pretend to have a disorder they dont actually have" ok ill leave you alone but i sincerely hope you reflect and understand how ableist this is

[median edge]

I'm sorry you feel that way but it's like actively harmful to support endogenics

They source they mentioned vs the one I do

[twin spoke]

"outside clinical psychology" THE COPE

[median edge]

Literally "no body knows, maybe spiritual" vs "here's scientific data and actual research"

[twin spoke]

Ok im done fr this time im actually so pissed

Now ill grab my evil alter to finish the conversation (JOKE)

[median edge]

Yeah we should wrap this up

Anyways, I implore you to find reputable sources and logical analysis about mental health. Vs things chronically online teenagers make up online. I especially would not compare it to being trans.

https://tenor.com/view/bubu-dancing-dance-happy-dance-bubu-cat-gif-13759391442761662032

[solid otter]

Eugh. Modmail time.

[median edge]

About answering questions?

[twin spoke]

Damn i sure hope the mods have critical thinking skills

[median edge]

Right ? Like what are you gonna report? Someone you didn't like answered a question about a disorder they have and misinformation about it?

[twin spoke]

Endos and their supporters dont usually like being told about science and research

[uncut solar]

For what?

Actually

This isn't a good thing to ask. No need to stir it up.

[twin spoke]

I dont even usually have these conversations anymore bc im just so effin exhausted but i thought someone actually wanted to learn until they called me gatekeepy

[uncut solar]

Pardon me

[cerulean kiln]

Modmail here doesn’t do moderation stuff it’s for server suggestions

[solid otter]

Ive been told it works, so.

[solid otter]

Ganging up on a likely mentally ill teenager as full grown ass adult and then going "the coping LMFAO" as if its funny to belittle people

[uncut solar]

Uhhhh

Not my field of expertise to say anything

[solid otter]

I mean. Nor is it theirs, and I can say with absolute certainty that pixel is bullshitting and doesn't know jack. Claiming she has OSDID. As if that makes them an expert, as if that's a valid diagnosis. Just so you know, spoiler chat, you cannot have "Other specified disassociative disorder" and DID at the same time. They rule each other out.

[twin spoke]

Osddid is a commonly used term in the community. It is most likely that pixel has one or the other and is using it as shorthand. Do some research

[median edge]

Thomas I know you don't like me but what the fk are you on about

[twin spoke]

Like osdid is not correct but literally this is like god forbid someone make a typo its only missing one d. Osddid is a VERY COMMONLY USED TERM

[solid otter]

Being common = correct??

I guess?

[median edge]

Thomas you are being absolutely ridiculous right now 😭

[twin spoke]

God forbid someone doesnt want to disclose which of two specific medical disorders they have

[median edge]

Please do not stoop this low

[solid otter]

Okay but. Its wrong. They used the wrong term, they've said it multiple times. Its not a typo.

[twin spoke]

":( its wrong 🙁 dont describe YOUR OWN DISORDER in a way i personally dont like 🙁 bc i dont like you 🙁 so if you say it slightly "incorrectly" by MY standards youre obviously A LIAR"

[solid otter]

Oh okay lemme just

[median edge]

Quite literally anything I say or do is bad and evil and purposely trying to hurt people according to Thomas. Why are you continuing this argument

[solid otter]

Pull up the dsm 5 rq

[twin spoke]

"pull up the dsm 5 rq" why? So you can fake claim someone you know nothing about? What are you gonna quiz them on their symptoms? Be so for real rn

[median edge]

You're correct in a typo, OSDD/DID is the entire phrase by the way.

[median edge]

Thank you

[solid otter]

Here it is! This disorder, which. I assume is what pixel is referring to. OSDD. Which is the diagnosis you can only have if you do not meet the criteria of DID. So. Do you have DID, or do you have OSDD? Its just really funny to me that you're out here saying that the lotus cannot be this based on your own experience with the disorder, when your claim to the disorder is. That.

[twin spoke]

"i, thomas, am by no means an expert on OSDDID but by god thats not gonna stop me from calling a random person on the internet a liar"

[solid otter]

I aint saying you dont have one of these

But its just. Silly that you wanna say shit about it and use the wrong term multiple times

[twin spoke]

Its silly to police someone for using a term that is not incorrect to describe a group of disorders, one of which that person has

[median edge]

I literally forgot one letter 😭

[solid otter]

This is also the most current up to date version of the DSM-5. Maybe not the correct grammar variant but it would be as far as I know

[twin spoke]

I have been interacting with people in the osddid community for YEARS and this term is so incredibly common please god do some research

[solid otter]

Okay but I am and all im seeing is that its. Not what happens?

What research do you want me to use other than the literal diagnostic criteria

[twin spoke]

The point you are making now is "they either have osdd or did so they should say which on instead" and like. Thats such an insane demand? They already said they have a severe trauma disorder they are not required to disclose personal medical information

[solid otter]

The diagnostic tool used by most psychologists where you two live.

Yeah, also. Really petty pixel. Bringing your partner into this

"Stoop so low" as if you arent connected lmfao

[twin spoke]

Nobody in any osddid circle is going to demand that you disclose which one you have

[solid otter]

Can I. Get a source for whatever you're saying?

Like. A proper source.

[median edge]

did-research. org/comorbid/dd/osdd_udd/did_osdd

[twin spoke]

LITERALLY TALK TO ANY PERSON WITH OSDD OR DID OH MY GOD

[median edge]

It's an extremely common phrase in our community 😭

[twin spoke]

Just because you, presumably a singlet, have never heard a term used by the community that youre (again presumably) not in doesnt mean its not used

[median edge]

Well you see anything I say is wrong and worthy of at least 10 months of arguing apparently

[solid otter]

How does using two disorders somehow encapsulates the whole disassociative disorder group? When. They do not cover all disorders?

[twin spoke]

NEITHER OF US SAID THAT

[solid otter]

Its distinctive enough to have seperate diagnosis pages and criteria, so saying these two specific disorders doesn't really do much for saying the whole group

[twin spoke]

Osddid. Refers exclusively to. Did and/or osdd. Not the entire umbrella of dissociative disorders

[median edge]

God he's just incredibly ignorant and assuming I'm wrong 😭

[twin spoke]

You are literally acting so insane wth is happening here

They are two different disorders, yes, but very often osdd 1a and b are grouped with DID due to similarities

[median edge]

I was literally being vague about my specific condition on purpose, as it's frankly no one's business the specific trauma and disorders I have.

[median edge]

Literally that's why it's on the did website

[twin spoke]

But you dont want to get your head out of your ass long enough to make a coherent thought about it so im done with this conversation

[median edge]

Thomas this is literally a useless argument. This has to be your worst one yet

[solid otter]

Anyways, modmail time for a lot of this. Mainly the argument before hand, because lowkey ganging up on folk is shitty

[median edge]

How is two people answering a question ganging up on them?

You can't just be terrible, accuse me of lying about my mental illness and then just say "modmail"

[twin spoke]

I also contacted modmail bc stalking people is bad 😇

[median edge]

I answered a question about how a character would have a mental illness similar to mine and gave me perspective as someone with that mental illness. You are out of control Thomas. I would literally never accuse you of lying about your mental illness because I dislike you. You need to stop bothering the modmail team over your petty nonsense over disliking me as you continue to make this a hostile environment for everyone.

[shadow forum]

uhm may I don't want to bother of what is going on here.
But can we get back to a topic of a game and not involve any statements about things outside a warframe game. Thank you.
If you guys have anything to argue about,why you don't just make a chat group between friends on discord and talk about it, so this way it reduce involving more people about the stuff, so this way you resolve an issue that occured with a game characters, that are made.
My apologies if suggestion isn't good, but I tried my best.

[tame canopy]

I still like this one time I went out of the zariman map and got a glimpse outside its border lol

it's been a while but I think it happened cuz I climbed a ledge and it does its animation which happens to make it out of bound lol

the Zariman ten zero is so huge, makes you wonder how much its population was

[shadow forum]

Kids in 1 classroom, count both parents,count crew,drones and voilla you have a huge ship loop and a lot of people.

[lofty girder]

I've seen a couple reddit posts of people trying to calculate the size of the zariman. Its between the size of Manhattan and Texas was last i checked

[tame canopy]

well, that sounds like the size of a whole large city's landmass

In retrospect, it makes sense, I think, I recall one of the zariman 10-0's purposes was to send their most exceptional people there as the first colonists of tau

[floral hawk]

jesus

[floral hawk]

i think "exceptional people" is propaganda and they just put together a bunch of randos as a test to see if they could jump to Tau because the rail was taking too long

safeties in the jump sequence were disabled to make the jump, i dont think theyd do that for exceptionals

though i might just be evil and lying because the last info is interpolated from yonta's lines

[tame canopy]

Honestly, you're probably not wrong, that aspect being propaganda would checks out with the orokin, I can see that they wanted enthusiastic experiment subjects

[floral hawk]

and tuvul is big meanies about it eventually

https://www.orokinarchives.com/fragments-executor-tuvul/

[floral hawk]

line about why the jump failed from Yonta

[tame canopy]

what's with the last paragraph?

the microscopic creatures line. is it a metaphor?

[floral hawk]

we are to the seven what skin germs are to humans

literally that insignificant

[hearty pendant]

comparing the colonists of the zariman to bacteria, yea
"we wash our hands of you." being their complete abandonment of the project and the colonists

[tight pagoda]

"Microscopic creatures", "unaware of their existence"... does the Void have midichlorians?

And the "We wash our hands of you" is also originally a biblical reference, I believe.

[floral hawk]

yup! Pontius Pilate washed his hand infront of the crowd and said i wash my hands of this innocent man's blood

crowd said we and our childrens will bear it and called for crucifixion etc etc

[solid otter]

No we literally have creatures on our eyes

I am not joking its super unsettling

[fathom nexus]

spoiled chat

Does Follie imply Follicles?

[tame canopy]

Floaters confirmed canon in warframe?!

[balmy storm]

And on our skin and inside of us
We are an ecosystem :)

[solid otter]

Have you seen them before? The bugs on our eyes [and like ducky says, internals and skin]? It. Makes me violent mildly

[balmy storm]

They’re your friends in the same way we are friends of the Earth

I wonder if people would care about our beautiful planet more if they knew

You are your own planet
Wouldn’t you want your lil guys taking care of you?

[solid otter]

Ducky, I would just explode

[balmy storm]

You would explode to know that you are as vital as the Earth is to us?

[solid otter]

Yes, but i think i just want to explode

[balmy storm]

You wouldn’t like it if the Earth did that

[solid otter]

I think i would actually, screw yall/j

[balmy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-disintegration-meme-ai-meme-funny-gif-5585270952676380091

[dry dawn]

Please tell me we get vinquibus melee, IT'S SO COOL

[floral hawk]

wdym?

its two weapons in one

[dry dawn]

The spear thing

[floral hawk]

by having the rifle you get the melee

[dry dawn]

WAIT WHAT

[floral hawk]

it occupies the melee slot

yah first of its kind of the Bayonet family of guns

melee giives you extra ammo, primary fire gives you +350% melee dmg

[solid otter]

Give us another bayonet.... we need more stab shoot stab guns

[dry dawn]

This thing is pretty cool

[hearty pendant]

the one bad part of vinquibus is the ammo efficiency
why put that on the funny ping gun

[solid otter]

Yeah its pretty rad

[dry dawn]

I've only used it as a melee

[floral hawk]

imo its also SP+ viable since i just slap acuity and call it a day

[dry dawn]

Didn't know it was a rifle too

But I don't like using guns tbh, I'm more of the bow type

[floral hawk]

unfortunately you cant use the vinquibus melee with another primary and vice versa

but it sure is a fun gun

[dry dawn]

But we get to keep it no?

I'm very curious to see how my kullervo would work with it

[floral hawk]

you gotta farm for it

same spot as Uriel

[hearty pendant]

not a particularly bad farm either tbh