spoiler-chat

[zenith jacinth]

🦅
👔

wingman

[pastel pasture]

Aoi's wingman conversation

Aoi's the only one who does this pretty sure. most let you choose if you date them but I think one you end up being forced into it

[zenith jacinth]

damn

aoi's got zero chill

[lofty girder]

She's been burned once

She ain't letting you back in

[pastel pasture]

oh wait it is Aoi that you get forced into

if you pick the other option you start dating

idk if oversight or intentional but "yeah. very sure" is an automatic reply

[undone lodge]

Who tf is Laurel and what did they do to Amir

[pastel pasture]

I think "Laurel" is the warframe univere's Lucy

as in

[gilded scarab]

Yep, here is my excuse to get another 20 floofs to put on his couch.

[pastel pasture]

i am building a floof collection casually

and grouping them into...groups

like all the conservations grouped by planet.

Onlyne next to their techrot counterparts

[gilded scarab]

I just put em everywhere, mainly at the spots Amir will hang around so he's has comfort plushies :)_ _

[pastel pasture]

on a related note 🤔 kind of

is the Drifter's changes to the past confined to 1999? or have there been waves

[gilded scarab]

Good question

[pastel pasture]

I guess eternalism blah blah blah (insert Roathe eternalism image)

but like. for the present to exist the past has to continue on

[floral hawk]

really like how the Perita ost evokes old war movies specifically

the brass and the strings are peak

what is an mr5 doing in perita bro 😭 youre a baby get off the frontlines!!!!!

[undone lodge]

A Dax watching a Tenno transfer out of their frame for the first time:

[floral hawk]

you should be at the daycare!!!

[pastel pasture]

TBF maybe they just don't know how/want to farm weapons

what they rocking? spill the beans

[floral hawk]

ITS JOHN WARFRAME

TAXON AND ALL

[pastel pasture]

Baby frame with a baby aura
Free primary
free secondary
free melee
baby companion

[floral hawk]

dude im rooting for this rhino so hard they have default colors

[pastel pasture]

poor baby tenno got told to rush through the quests

i want to see their nataruk build

prob lookin like this

[floral hawk]

oh my god little baby

i love you baby rhino im in tears

i love you so much default rhino

[opaque dove]

They have all the stuff the game gives you free…sol have mercy

[floral hawk]

i love this baby rhino so dearly and i hope they have a good rest of their warframe journey

[floral hawk]

getting a bts poster for my coda

[thick iron]

if it was excalibur then it'd be john warframe smh

idk how an mr5 got to old peace though lmao

[floral hawk]

sorry i got too excited 💔

[fading current]

Sorry for the late response! I have the bloodshed sigil on! And have it colored in all white. Also made Amir’s hair white so it would GLOW from it!

[floral hawk]

likely the preview feature? iirc you get no rewards

[zenith jacinth]

that's actually a bit over the lowest possible MR for story completion

[gilded scarab]

Agh that drop rateeeeee T-T, I will get it soon.

ty ty

[fading current]

Of course!!❤️

[zenith jacinth]

no, they have grimoire

[thick iron]

damn

bro really just speedran warframe story

i almost want to see his railjack 😭

[azure lantern]

From professor to ending new war in 2 days

[floral hawk]

brother woke up and immediately went to 2 wars

[thick iron]

playing cyte 09 in public lobbies is killing me dawg it is SO hard to hit headshots on the neutralizer when they're just randomly moving around 😭 never playing pubs with cyte again

[forest kernel]

anyone know if the kim chats are fixed? i'd hate to start talking with roathe again only for my status to get reset like it did with the others

[obsidian aspen]

Playing the old peace again, why does the Tenno have the vinquibus after fighting the Dactolyst

[hearty pendant]

your memories are malleable, that flash forward impacted your equipment

[zenith jacinth]

Memory error

[south gale]

after finishing the new war I got a billion quests opened, it's okay To go to 1999 first and then come back for zariman and jade?

[chilly pine]

should be yeah

[solid otter]

Mm, I think you need to do Angels of Zariman first

If its not required, you absolutely should

[south gale]

makes Sense, the operator is in there

also Wolf mommy

[chilly pine]

kim chats also reference it too dont they?

[solid otter]

Mhm

[chilly pine]

so yeah might be a preq

[hearty pendant]

angels isn't required for anything afaik
but it is referenced, yea

[solid otter]

You also literally go into the Zariman in the hex

[chilly pine]

thats also a point

[south gale]

and since we are in This Topic , where exactly does the drifter Go when we are using the operator in the origin system and vice versa?

[hearty pendant]

where's the image-

[solid otter]

Yk the room in the zariman? Let's just say there. Until grey finds the image

[chilly pine]

i assume one stays on the zariman

[south gale]

bro sleeping all day while the other fights a war

[chilly pine]

unless elsewhere in the void based on lotus eaters but idk

[south gale]

makes Sense, its like 2 people on a mech with only 1 seat

[chilly pine]

also old peace and 1999 happen in parallel too i believe,

[solid otter]

Mhm.

Mm, makes

I HAVE HAD A THOUFHT

[south gale]

also another dumb question, but like, what the operator tougtht he was before the Second dream? did he Just assume he was the warframe itself?

[chilly pine]

given the memory wipe, safe to say something to that effect?

[hearty pendant]

mhm, there's a line in TSD that implies it

[south gale]

my headcanon at the moment is that after 1999 the drifter is on the mall

[south gale]

so he saw changing Warframes as like, a soul swap?

[chilly pine]

eventually drifter has to leave 1999, since descendia has him going through roathes mind

[solid otter]

I wondered why Loid was walking around the sanctum in the good ending of the hex, where he gets spooked by drifter using the vessel to ✌️ so like. Imagine. Hear me out here, he was walking back from wherever the hell the old peace takes place, because it does not look like the main area of the sanctum anatomica, where the dark refractory is currently located

[hearty pendant]

Lotus: "My child... so beautiful to behold. How do you feel?"
Operator: "I'm confused... I thought I was..."
Lotus: "I know. Forgive me. This is who you really are. A Tenno."

[chilly pine]

under where bird 3 is is a starway going down and thats to where the dark refractory is, and given both happen in parallel its possible yeah

[south gale]

I see...

[solid otter]

Poor Loid, he keeps getting spooked by people

His old man heart cannot take it

[south gale]

loid the old man yaoi or loid the robot yaoi?

[solid otter]

Old man yaoi

I only refer to necraloid as necraloid

[hearty pendant]

why does the refractory move, DE. are there two? why did we not use the one in the sanctum? there can be enemies in the sanctum, we've seen it in the original quest, so why aren't we in the sanctum, DE?
-# /s. kinda.

[south gale]

poor necraloid, he looks kinda of cute, I'd have a plush of him hanging on my room

[solid otter]

They didnt want to spook the cavia :(

Fr actually i wanna drown him in blackcurrant juice

Im sorry thats.

Abnormal

[chilly pine]

i think we do use the one in the sanctum, since we can hear the cavia at one point during the old peace

[solid otter]

YEAH

So what the hell happened 😭

Were they like. Paitently sitting outside

[hearty pendant]

we're in one of the big tiles when we go out to fight the murmur, though
although-

hm. although we do go through a little murmur passageway

[solid otter]

I mean, what door do we go through?

I. I can go check, Im replaying the old peace rn

[chilly pine]

i chalk that more up to void shenanigans more than anything

[hearty pendant]

the person in the most convenient location to check:

[solid otter]

Stupid ass Pablo emote

[hearty pendant]

i want to say its the door that we can go through post-quest, but i'm not sure
it'd make sense if the other door led to some random tile if its that one, though

[chilly pine]

hmm, dunno actually

[solid otter]

Mm, I got a little way to check but ill get back to you

Mm.. valdur....

Oh wow adis sounds so weird without the music

[south gale]

also, question, those frames that drop from missions like Dante, I can't like..., carry a baby tenno to then so he can get it? right? I have a friend that's got into the game because of follie and I'd like to carry them if possible

[hearty pendant]

don't think you can taxi to those, no

but we don't know what Follie will require either, afaik

[chilly pine]

you can taxi but for something like dante i think theyd need the area unlocked first

[south gale]

I see, and non primes can't be traded?

[hearty pendant]

correct

[chilly pine]

follie i think should be accessible for most, but also might be locked to post new war

[hearty pendant]

gifted, but not traded
-# and even then the plat cost for regular frames in the market is absurd

[south gale]

I hope it is

could be a reason they engage in the game

[chilly pine]

most frames i know are locked behind the newest areas of the game, like uriel requiring the old peace, but sometimes we get exceptions like koumei, and i wonder if follie is going to be another exception since theyre using the vesper relay for her mission

[hearty pendant]

if she's locked behind anything, it'll probably be TNW like nokko was

[chilly pine]

yeah

[south gale]

okay time to taxi then through the new war

[chilly pine]

TNW is definitely a major gate as far as warframe stuff goes, alot locked behind it

[hearty pendant]

but also not terrible to get to, because of recent streamlining

[chilly pine]

yeah

[prisma island]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digitalextremes.warframemobile

[hearty pendant]

difficult bit is that the time it used to take to get to TNW was enough to actually learn the game
some people in current content have not learned the game

[south gale]

~~according to Xbox timer, it took me 10 and a half days of playtime ~~

[chilly pine]

yeah thats the big problem with rushing through everything

[south gale]

I was teaching then the basics

like I streamed my screen and was teaching about modding, and elements, and such

[solid otter]

Lorewise, its super bad to rush

Mm. Should rephrase that

[chilly pine]

as you should, every tenno that gets another person into the game needs to teach them since the game has alot of systems that just dont (even "the teacher" honestly sucks for actually teaching the modding system to people imo)

[solid otter]

But it does serve a good purpose

[hearty pendant]

gets them used to the UI, at the very least

[chilly pine]

it alteast goes, "hey, heres a thing you should be aware and make use of"

[solid otter]

Gets them familiar to teshin

[hearty pendant]

mm, indeed

[south gale]

also would be bad to give them a energy nexus?

[solid otter]

A muckin what

[hearty pendant]

don't think so

[south gale]

and a brief respite to save then from the horrors of the titania quest

made me want to chew argon crystals

[hearty pendant]

mod that gives energy generation
its like 3 per second at max rank?

[hearty pendant]

maybe when they're around the time they can do the quest

[chilly pine]

dont think giving mods is a bad idea, tho maybe let them get the prime mods on their own given how painful it is to trade them (assuming you even have spares)

[hearty pendant]

trading primed mods is so funny why do you need 1 mil for that

[chilly pine]

probably to specifically prevent gifting them to baby tenno

[south gale]

just energy nexus that I feel let's then enjoy the frame's kit because early game is had to get energy

[solid otter]

For whatever reason

[south gale]

I'd never give then a prime mods because I don't have it

[solid otter]

Mm, now that ive gotten to the ballas part

I think i have a theory on why murmur is present in that track

Murmur influence gets stronger the further we get on in the quest, peaking at Ballas, which we know now caused us to lash out, mainly from Wally's encouragement

Mm, weaker the defenses, louder the murmur get

[solid otter]

Okay so what side is the one with the stairs leading into the pool? Like. Where loid would be, what side is that? Sanctum side or locked door?

[hearty pendant]

iirc the stairs are towards the sanctum-side door
i will check rq though

mm, nevermind, no i will not
whispers is still breaking my sanctum
or maybe the quest will actually function, and let me complete it ! who knows !

[south gale]

another kind of dumb question, but are the Gemini Skins like, Canon? If so, How?

[hearty pendant]

somewhat
outside of 1999, unknown. there's a ton of 'maybes' but never a follow-up on them
inside of 1999, sorta. obv gameplay > lore but it would be possible to transfer into the protos
for the Hex, at least. the other two groups have some shenanigans

[south gale]

makes Sense

[solid otter]

Bawling my eyes out i guess holy shit

[zenith jacinth]

Energy nexus sucks

[south gale]

why?

[zenith jacinth]

3 energy per second might as well be nothing, equilibrium is generally more effective

[south gale]

id Think early game when There's less enimies, It would bê better

[hearty pendant]

orbs are a lot less common earlygame, yeah
very low enemy density

[zenith jacinth]

Margaritinally better

[solid otter]

Shit man the old peace messed me up

[zenith jacinth]

Canon event

[hearty pendant]

playing through whispers with a protoframe skin equipped is. kinda funny

[solid otter]

It is

But i cannot play without messing my game

[zenith jacinth]

Consider: playing through tsd with a gemini skin

[strong ether]

anyone wanna run arbritations???

[zenith jacinth]

#squad-recruitment

[strong ether]

mb

[zenith jacinth]

Np

[solid otter]

Yeah no okay what the hell

[zenith jacinth]

What

[hearty pendant]

bug might've been fixed? i was broken before but the quest seems to be working now
on android, haven't tried it elsewhere for a while lol

[zenith jacinth]

It's very funny that both the ps5 and xbox series x symbols are invisible in darker mode

[solid otter]

Yup, sanctum side. We go out, sanctum side

[solid otter]

The dark refractory was in a completely different place than it is after the quest

[hearty pendant]

i forget that i even have a symbol most of the time

[solid otter]

Wait.

No im

I might be dumb chat

[zenith jacinth]

Can a room not relocate anymore these days?

[solid otter]

I had a mild abnormality halfway through playing

I realised something and thats skewed everything

[hearty pendant]

hm?

[solid otter]

Check lore chat you'll see

[hearty pendant]

ah

[solid otter]

That was unkind DE

That hurt a lot

But if I was to ever get a script tattoo, thats one of the ideas

[sharp junco]

what do i do for this quest, im so lost

[rugged shore]

https://tenor.com/view/ea-nasir-cuneiform-copper-unc-gif-9572292944116739500

[obsidian aspen]

Just check the wiki that quest kinda blows

[sharp junco]

im doing it cuz its the very last quest i have

[obsidian aspen]

It's asking you to go kill dudes that vaguely look like the vase you carry in your inventory so you could either use your memory slash check your codex scans to find a match and possibly accomplish what the vase needs

OR

[hearty pendant]

vessel has an inscription on it, have to figure out what it wants and kill a bunch of them
repeat twice
its one enemy from the major factions

[sharp junco]

says i have to kill 60 volatile runners

[obsidian aspen]

Well? What're you waiting for?

[hearty pendant]

then go kill some volatile runners
p much any infested node has em

[sharp junco]

gemini says apollodorus, Mecury is meta, can you confirm?

[balmy storm]

Gemini??

[obsidian aspen]

Gemini

Just go on a ship blood

[balmy storm]

I would not trust AI with anything in Warframe

Or anything in general

[hearty pendant]

-# volatile runners are one of the most common infested units just go anywhere fr

[obsidian aspen]

You seen the Grok Mesa build

[uncut solar]

Why are you asking a calculator that's trained to make mistakes for efficiency

[balmy storm]

It’s so bad omg 😭

[hearty pendant]

the what

[uncut solar]

I need Grok to make me a Lavos build

[balmy storm]

a calculator that struggles with math

[obsidian aspen]

Sorry for the crust I don't wanna fix it

mesa
stretch

Oh and you subsume Larva

[balmy storm]

It’s

A build

[hearty pendant]

that uh
yea that sure is a build, huh

[fading current]

Lmao

[glass plover]

what does time alone option dp?

[hearty pendant]

little cutscene and a kiss

[glass plover]

nice

NNNNOOOOOOOOO

[lofty girder]

Oh sweet lord what the hell

YOU HAVE UMBRAL VITALITY! WHY NOT INTENSITY TOO?

[obsidian aspen]

This build is why we cannot buy SSDs for the next 4 years

[lofty girder]

No ram, no gpus, no ssds, nothing

You WILL subscribe to Amazon's cloud processing services

[obsidian aspen]

You will own nothing, and you will like it. No go put Shattered Storm on Mesa

[median edge]

Update on my feeling toward drifter; I found out there's tamagotchi earrings and buying drip for my drifter makes me like them like 60% more

[subtle bolt]

i took pic with my white yo

[thick iron]

bro????

[fringe pond]

I guess they refused to rank up

Or its a bug

Plenty of people do mr 0 runs

[thick iron]

i thought quests had mr requiremetns

cos i'm in duviri and found this

[fringe pond]

Not anymore

They’ve been streamlining everything
For better or for worse

[zenith jacinth]

Mainly worse

Why is ceres a dead end planet now and eris isn't

[undone lodge]

Why make the Family easier to grind and then make them unnecessary to start when you only need them done for the ending

[olive cloak]

It's growing

[glossy yew]

I got a Lich from doing tutorial stuff with a Brahmma 50% elec and it has Nova's priming ability. Should I keep him? I've never kept any liches, but he's kinda goofy screaming about limbs... Any thoughts?

[zenith jacinth]

50% bramma is kinda too good to pass up

[copper gorge]

Man, do I get it right, and to fix Anathema with Roathe I have to do the 21 descendia missions? As in do I need to do so and then reset the triad or just do all of the descendia?

[hearty pendant]

most common cause of anathema is not doing the 21 descendia, yes
resetting can fix a separate issue
do the descendia, listen to all the VMs, see what happens then

[glossy yew]

It is, though I got a lot of good weapons but at the same time I don't have bramma. Tough decisions...

[zenith jacinth]

might as well get bramma

I have this personal rule that low% funny liches get converted and all others vanquished

[undone lodge]

Unless I’ve missed something the KIMs are still broken rn, just leave them for now

[glossy yew]

Fair, I'll go read him his last rites. I will miss you "hissing like a kavat and screaming about limbs" Nohgg

[waxen sphinx]

Just had a thought. it'd be cool to have a wear & tear slider like what the orbiter and the railjack have, but for warframes.

[thick iron]

society if vorunas 4 was an exalted weapon and could be modded

[waxen sphinx]

And to better add: she actually runs on all 4

[median edge]

Bro I have so many thoughts about the hex rn after finishing their mission

[wanton flax]

Grineer daughter or Corpus son?

[hearty pendant]

sounds right

[fringe pond]

Well with the corpus one, you’d either get a Parvos loyalist or a profit goober

Grineer

[rain iris]

I am EXTREMELY upset. I put in tons of work into my relationship with Quincy, and I was "Loved" until just today after I mysteriously had to repeat the conversation about leaving the Hex behind. Now we're Best Friends and I don't know what to do.

[fringe pond]

Bug

Known bug, it was addressed in announcements even

You were supposed to avoid using KIM until they fixed it if you didn’t want to lose ranks

[solid otter]

Its Schröedinger's KIM rn

[fringe pond]

I know Warframe players don’t read but you’d think the announcements would be noticed
No offence intended but yk

[solid otter]

If you dont open it, its gonna be fine

Its both been reset and hasn't been reset

[wanton flax]

Okay what about Murmur son or sentient Daughter

[fringe pond]

Sentient
Murmur daughter would try to kill me

Unless i was Wally i guess

[wanton flax]

Sentient Daughter?

[fringe pond]

Oh whoops

Yeah
Im on that hunhow timing

[solid otter]

Wally would still try to kill you 😭

[wanton flax]

My question is do you let your sentient Daughter to date an orokin?

[solid otter]

Mm, depends on the orokin

[fringe pond]

My inner hunhow is flaring up…

[wanton flax]

They are full of themselves but he loves her but it's hard to read

[solid otter]

An entrati? Probably. They're overall pretty chill, if i didnt know what would happen to the entrati family, id probably allow it

[solid otter]

Issue is, most orokin would rather kill the sentient

They can and will just do that

[wanton flax]

This one is hard to read whenever he loves her or just using her

Would you still have her date him

[fringe pond]

Bro is she dating Ballas

[wanton flax]

Ballas like

[fringe pond]

Oh hell naw

[solid otter]

Yeah, like most orokin/non-orokin relationships

[wanton flax]

Okok

[solid otter]

Hard to tell if its healthy

[wanton flax]

New would you rather

Cetus son or Vallis Daughter

[fringe pond]

If it was the entrati at least she couldn’t be infested
Have to deal with watching the others turn into flowers though

[solid otter]

The best we got is Albrecht and loid and that. That says a lot
-# it is overall a pretty normal relationship, just one with communication issues

[wanton flax]

She's dating the son

[rain iris]

LOL
I love the blatant rudeness! So classy and not at all ugly. Thx for redirecting my attention to a channel no one has a habit of entering every time they log into Discord, though. Have a great day! ❤️

[fringe pond]

Gotta be careful with the basement though

[solid otter]

Do you just never check pings or something???

[wanton flax]

You okay?

[solid otter]

I cannot stand pings

Like, in a conversation, fine its fine

But seeing the red circle. Pisses me off

[fringe pond]

They left

That’s insane

[solid otter]

I dont like this rock robert

[fringe pond]

My best bet is that they didn’t even have the announcement ping role

[solid otter]

A fools mistake

[rain iris]

Hm?

[fringe pond]

Oh they’re still here
Discord tweaking

[solid otter]

Oh, no they just blocked you lmao

[wanton flax]

Felling alright?

[fringe pond]

Ah makes sense

[rain iris]

Yeah, just wanted to vent and immediately caught some rudeness. No worries.

[solid otter]

Anyways most warframe players can't read and here's why

This has happened more than twice

These are just the ones I got screenies of

[wanton flax]

Aw man that sucks probably the person was seeing your message was out of contexted

Relax bro we alright

[solid otter]

You don't understand how many people have came in here to do that exact same thing, tbh

Theyve ignored announcements and winded up in here

[wanton flax]

Which is why I look for the context first and then respond

[wanton flax]

Dam

[solid otter]

It does get extremely exhausting to see it over and over

[fringe pond]

Hence why i was so blunt about it
If you had bothered to check announcements this wouldn’t have been a problem, even for themselves

But alas
Warframe players
Do not read

[solid otter]

Mm, mostly the ones who think making Roathe worse is the good ending, and the ones who think lying to marie will work

[fringe pond]

This weekend has also been shit so that probably didn’t effect my response well
Mb on that end

[solid otter]

I feel that tbh

[wanton flax]

Hey Monday is near

It's really hard to have a good Monday

[fringe pond]

Ah you mean The Horrors™

[wanton flax]

Sunday is like the calm before the horror

Can't have a good Monday

[solid otter]

Hehe. Its. Its Albrecht's day when in xx99 and below. Its. Its cardinal dimanche.. .....

Someone shoot me in the head.

Please i need to be put down

[fringe pond]

What if I just rotated you
Like a shark

[solid otter]

Rotating... banana..........

[fringe pond]

Trueeee

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/rotate-gif-25402076

[wanton flax]

Can't wait to have a female orokin protoframe but I wonder who's gonna be

[rain iris]

Announcements are mostly irrelevant to me, and complaining about how frequently you see people not check them means that many people agree with that sentiment.

[fringe pond]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-meme-ligma-when-the-gif-16699030

[zenith jacinth]

garuda

[zenith jacinth]

banana
rotat e

[wanton flax]

Yandere Orokin?

[fringe pond]

Me when channel where important game information is posted is “irrelevant”

[solid otter]

... just because many agree doesnt mean its a good thing. I can list several reasons why thats not always a good thing

[zenith jacinth]

yandere

[fringe pond]

Seriously what kind of reasoning is that 💀

[solid otter]

No, just an abuser

[wanton flax]

An abuser that loves using claws

[solid otter]

Folk gotta stop romantising the orokin, they are not as nice or as good as some folk say. Niktoh is the kind of woman to use your fingerbones to eat with.

Shes also probably not physically feminine sometimes

So. There's that

[fringe pond]

Inb4 “I’d love a woman that could literally just kill me”

[rain iris]

I'm sure you can, but that just makes you look insensitive. 🙂

[solid otter]

See, like. The entrati family are cool

[fringe pond]

The side argument going on here is literally just someone trying to insinuate that intentionally refusing to access important information puts you in the right

Which is both funny and genuinely disappointing

[solid otter]

Okay, so we have mass hysteria, transphobia, homophobia and racism, sexism, mass delusion ect ect. Many people will believe or experience it. Doesn't mean its right or good. Also how does that make me insensitive?? Its. Its legitimate facts 😭

Big group agreeing on something does not make it good

[median edge]

My thoughts on 1999;
How do people act like Aoi is so annoying and terrible - I love her sm. She's just trying her best. Literally dies from trying her best. Amir is just as nerdy and quirky and says random XD things lol. ( I love amir too, don't get it twisted!) Plus like idk Letties temper is actually real as hell like I'd be pissed too 😭 As a neurodivergent who cannot help but be honest and blunt, I found her refreshing realism without being too nihilistic. She tried to protect Eleanor until the end even. and I appreciate Quincy alot for similar reasons. Wanting to be smart in the situation for survival but finding it impossible to leave his little family. I am actually much more interested in their interpersonal relationships than romantically as individuals. I retract my polycule statement and think they would be TWO POLYCULES who hang out as one family, tysm for coming to my tenno talk.
(1/2)

[solid otter]

To finish this statement.

They also might steal your bones

Mother was abusive to father

[median edge]

Ok silly thoughts aside, it's such a messed up but well written situation, like the family on deimos. They do such a great job at not letting you feel too comfortable in this desolate nostalgic techno-rot dream. It's so camp- the motorcycle doing flips, the rock music in the background that transitions into the boy band music over Amirs headphones. The TAMAGOTCHI/FRAME FRIEND on Amir as you see he's been shot. GOD. DAMN. They KNEW what they were doing with this shit and I am obsessed with it. The villain girlie pop with the mask cigarette and the freaking claw hand? Amazing. So over the top.
Also fk the entrari, I understand he has his reasons but way to believe you are the smartest one in the room and no one else should have a say because you have it all figured out. I am willing to change my mind about him but it's undoubtedly bad to deem himself the decider of fates in this moment. It was iconic when he was like "you're not my type" tho. Gay icon. Plus I still have a lot of questions but of course I do it's warframe but yeah very good vibes all around, I love how they really capture the bright and cartoonish yet bleak world of 1990s end in the warframe universe. It's so good and awesome and epic !! Ahhh !
(2/2)

[solid otter]

She was emotionally neglectful to both her children

[fringe pond]

What if i wanna be turned into a robot after i die

[solid otter]

Ehh, the last part about Albrecht is the wrong interpretation

[fringe pond]

Tie that into “Sentient daughter dating and Entrati” and
Bro a Necramech amalgam would go hard

[solid otter]

Also why does noone call him by his name 😭

[median edge]

I'm pretty good on my opinion thanks tho

[solid otter]

...but jts wrong

[median edge]

Okay, sure Thomas lol

[solid otter]

No, it is

Its wrong you. Do you understand why he withholds so much information?

[median edge]

This is my current opinion on just finishing the quest you do not need to correct me

[solid otter]

But. But its not

[fringe pond]

He just has an Albrecht obsession

[solid otter]

You're not supposed to come to that conclusion

[fringe pond]

Don’t take it too hard

[median edge]

It's not my opinion...? Okay. 💀

[solid otter]

The whole. Reason behind Marie is to not come to that conclusion

Its based on the wrong interpretation 😭

You're not supposed to think Albrecht is some smart arrogant ass who thinks hes above everyone

Thats just the result of how warframe ends up after a few quests release

[median edge]

It's literally subjective, I really genuinely do not need a correction thanks 💕 I was just trying to excitedly share my thoughts after the quest

[solid otter]

Back when whispers dropped, you had nothing else to do after, so you were supposed to grind Albrecht's notes [even if it was just for the arcanes]

[median edge]

You literally cannot tell me my personal feelings about a character are incorrect 💀

[wanton flax]

This is not a very good day for all of us

[zenith jacinth]

THE VOID??

[fringe pond]

Thomas i think you need to approach this from a different angle

[solid otter]

It is, but youre basing your opinion on incomplete information

[median edge]

I was just tryna excitedly share my thoughts man 😭

[solid otter]

Something you can rectify 😭

[wanton flax]

Just Void

[solid otter]

The hex alienated so many from whag Albrecht's character is and its mildly infuriating

[median edge]

YES BECAUSE THATS ALL IM GIVEN AT THIS POINT. THAT IS MY CURRENT OPINION. YOU DO NOT NEED TO MANSPLAIN IT TO ME. I LITERALLY SAID DIRECTLY I WAS WILLING TO CHANGE MY MIND LATER.

[solid otter]

We got the

"Albrecht must've abused his daughter" crowd

[zenith jacinth]

it's the void itself! where's wally?

where's walldo...

[solid otter]

And the very small minority capable of listening to Albrecht's notes and going "oh shit. He has no self esteem and tried to off himself"

And the in-between

[zenith jacinth]

just agree to disagree and let pixel figure it out at their pace

[fringe pond]

It sounds like it’s more infuriating than you said
Even then you definitely should have approached this less aggressively 😭

[zenith jacinth]

no point in going in circles of disagreement

[solid otter]

I wasnt trying to be aggressive 😭 thats just how I type

I like stopping and starting g

[wanton flax]

Idk the void is huge and white not jet Black

[median edge]

I literally asked you not to like 3 times

[solid otter]

Typing quirk or whatever the term is

[fringe pond]

Well you did seem
Genuinely appalled

[solid otter]

I need to work on how I express my emotions more

[fringe pond]

Fair

[solid otter]

Autistic shit or whatever

I need to get those card Rell had sometimes, those work

They. Like legit work sometims

Wow its almost as if the autistic character was written incredibly well

But the one with adhd is a cliche

Cliche? Stereotype?

Seriously though why do people not call Albrecht by his name

[zenith jacinth]

stereotype

[fringe pond]

Because the only one that says Albrecht is Loid

[zenith jacinth]

occasionally applicable stereotype

[solid otter]

Lotus does! Drifter does

[fringe pond]

The Hex say Entrati
Ive heard the Drifter say Entrati more than Albrecht

[solid otter]

Specifically that stereotype is actually based on the childhood presentation of ADHD. So its weird to see an adult presenting like that

[solid otter]

It is just interesting to me, I don't know why

Like. Do you mean the entrati or Albrecht

When you go "entrati" it can go both ways

Obviously with context its pretty understandable

But its always. Interested me

[zenith jacinth]

I mean
I know an adult adhd guy who's like that with adderall(is that how it's spelled?)

[median edge]

Anyways literally like I was saying the hex was very good and I am in awe of the story telling, mood and set pieces more than anything. I really liked the little iconic 90s tech references like the dial up tone, the computer hardware being that very specific computer™️ color, crts tvs being EVERYWHERE. Its so cool how they have done this storytelling through setting, I genuinely spent a while just looking through the mall. But who knows maybe I misinterpreted my opinions on that too 🤥

Current most issues; lack of CDs™️

Those little guys where literally everywhere for real, and are a very iconic motif I wish was somehow there lol

[night grail]

Core Containment

[solid otter]

Fair. But its a very uncommon thing [also maybe the adderall isn't working if he is that hyper, its a stimulant, yes but folk w adhd have the weird reverse effect with stimulants]

Thats why they work for adhd 😭

[zenith jacinth]

oh, it does work

he's even worse without it

[solid otter]

Oh maybe its time for a higher dose 😭

Thats so real though

Im not in stimulants for my adhd, im on some form of blood pressure med and it does a lot for me outside adhd

Doesnt stop me from wanting to explode every time I see "Albrecht is a narcissist" though

Blood pressure immediately rises and i feel like I need to explain so much

[median edge]

Quite literally no one said that he was 💀

[solid otter]

I wasnt talking about you.

3 seperate examples somehow managing to miss the whole "i am unworthy of love" shit Albrecht had going on.

It happens, a lot.

[hearty pendant]

trusting whatever roathe thinks of albrecht over everything else we have on albrecht is the funniest possible option to get to that conclusion

its completely wrong, but it is funny

[solid otter]

No clearly Roathe and the hex are unbiased

Everyone's mucking biased thats how opinions are formed

Genuinely though it is so tiresome, but its not entirely their fault

Again, its what happens when another update comes out and you aren't a completionist by each update type of person

[median edge]

Well the first one was literally asking if that was the case or not. But if other people have that opinion it's not incorrect because you disagree with it. It doesn't mean they interepted the media wrong. You can be terrible and do terrible things and have a reason but you still are terrible. Feeling like he's unworthy of love doesn't inherently mean he's not thinking he is the only one that can make the decision and putting what he thinks is right first over other people's agency.

[solid otter]

Most folk haven't even listened to Albrecht's notes, and it shows when they haven't

But its because of how odd it is to actually get one of his notes, let alone the grind for like. All 7

Biggest hallmark when someone hasnt read it is when they say Albrecht had no remorse for the cavia

Or when they say he experimented on Kalymos

[hearty pendant]

its five sets of five iirc
and they only occasionally drop from the whispers minibosses, which either don't always spawn or frequently spawn in the middle of who-knows-where

[solid otter]

Like no broski he absolutely did not. He sees her as an equal

[median edge]

But that's still their subjective opinion to form. The lack of information in the subjectivity. And frankly, any explanation he gives doesn't excuse anything. Just like Loid said.

[solid otter]

Oh. 25 times, and thats if they spawn holy cow

From memory they spawn in lile

3 set tiles, for thats how ive consistently got them

One can spawn in the first room to the. Left i want to say if its a desk room, another can spawn in the place with the vessel reaching to the ceiling, and the other is at the end past the yellow door puzzle

I am unsure on the middle one but I have seen it spawn there a few times

Exterm, check every room and cry when you dont find one

[solid otter]

.. but he isnt anywhere close to a narcissist. Thats. Like. Not even an opinion. A narcissist is a diagnosis that Albrecht does not meet. He also, does respect people's autonomy, he just. Struggles with boundaries. He does it for Loid, the round table, the triad. Literally everyone but the hex he respects their autonomy, which even then. He jist lied about what it would do, didnt force it on them.

His "terrible things" have been. Things we do in modern day. He also does not like doing these things. He couldn't even look at the cavia after it happened. He didn't shove them onto Loid, he genuinely couldn't even stomach looking at them. [Though this could be from the whole. Dead children thing]

Albrecht is like. The one orokin that isn't narcissist, or a "im the smartest in the room" situation. I can see how someone could get to that conclusion after they played the hex and not read any of the notes, which is what you have seemingly done, which isnt your fault at all, but it should incentivise you to actually read them so you can form a full opinion that i can at least give time for. Because the hex does not show any other side but theirs, and obviously from their experience, he would be a "holier than thou" character, when he is very much not. Albrecht is restricting information because wally, to him, is literally everyone and he cannot trust people with information that could hurt him. Thats probably how he got captured in the hex, his correspondence with Rulsalka.

He has to remain indifferent to them because any form of connection he has, wally will take advantage of

This isnt a clean cut situation where he is just an evil bad person who thinks hes smarter than everyone

He is literally just in fight or flight and he cannot stop

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Albrecht_Entrati/Quotes

You can read his notes here.

[wanton flax]

yoyo

[zenith jacinth]

where

[solid otter]

I mean. You shouldn't particularly like Loid either. He actively enabled Albrecht and he himself sees no wrong to what happened with the other cavia. Only the ones that he has to listen to hate Albrecht for the same choice he himself made

They're both shitty people, when it comes down to it

But i think people arent ready for that conversation

[zenith jacinth]

hey, at least loid felt bad about being told to kill the surviving cavia

[solid otter]

He complains about the cavia as if he wasnt the one sourcing them

[solid otter]

I think putting the cavia down wouldve been the better option, I aint gonna lie

"I, uh, wanted nothing but the ease of oblivion, at first." [I want to just die]

"Why did the saga not end by itself? Why must I still act?" [Why can't I die??]

"Loid is, at heart, a good and kind man - better than I deserve." [I do not deserve this man or his love]

[median edge]

I genuinely wanted to give your perspective a go, so I literally spend 20 mins listening to all the notes and I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. I felt more neutral about him but now I literally hate him and completely understand everyone's takes 😭

[solid otter]

You could've read them 😭

You gotta go in with a neutral angle, ideally

Which is also. The effect of the hex

But i do appreciate you trying

You mightve felt you're neutral but you did just watch him shoot Amir

And a false version shoot you

[median edge]

I listened to them, but I have no idea how that invalidates everyones opinion of him 😭 if anything he's much worse than I thought and his holier than thou self depreciation did not work on me lol

[solid otter]

Anyways. You gotta go in knowing that this man went through mega trauma after the void incident. Which is detailed by the requiem logs

Oh, thats a common sentiment

Folk think these things are meant to be read by the operator

[median edge]

Than what is the problem in people having opinions about him you don't agree with

[solid otter]

Or drifter, doesn't matter

Because folk forget that these aren't meant to sway anything

To us. Maybe, but

For the drifter and operator, we aren't supposed to be reading them

We weren't even supposed to read the one at the end of whispers before loid did

[median edge]

Dude not to get too deep but you literally cannot tell people how to feel about art and form opinions, you feel differently but that's not objective

[solid otter]

So his thoughts and things he says there are what he legitimately feels

[median edge]

That has literally no bearing on people thinking he's narcissistic

After listening to his notes, it's clear that he believes he is one of those great men in history who have to suffer and go through such tragedy because he's the only one. He literally calls himself a savior. Calls people petty ashes.

He fully thinks what he's doing is correct and true.

[solid otter]

I mean, when it comes to folk calling him a narcissist or "im smarter than everyone else" character, its just. Wrong. Its not even an interpretation, it is just factually wrong. He meets nothing thats required for him being a narcissist, people like to throw that word around a lot without knowing what it fully means. Albrecht does not act like he is smarter than everyone, he is withholding information because his enemy can look like anyone. I aint gonna lie theres a huge chance he did what he did to the hex to sever any connection he had with them in case wally came in.

[hearty pendant]

in terms of fixing what he has done, yes
in terms of almost everything else, no

[solid otter]

Can you name a single other person who can actually stop something he caused? Why would he want to shift that onto someone else?

[median edge]

The word narcissistic ≠ medical diagnosis of narcissist

[solid otter]

.. no

No. No. No.

Thats. Exactly what I was talking about.

He doesn't meet any standard of a narcissist outside maybe grandiose plans, which. Doesnt particularly count when you have a warframe that can literally open a portal to the sun. His plans are grandiose to us and us alone.

[median edge]

.... You know it's a normal adjective too right?

Not just the medical diagnosis.

[solid otter]

Okay. Go on, explain what that adjective is based on.

[median edge]

Greek mythology? Y-You do know that right?

[solid otter]

Let's. Let's look at the definition you are using!

having or showing an excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance.

... Albrecht does not do this

He has a kickass coat and hat, but he doesnt seem to particularly care at all

He doesnt do any form of damage control either

[solid otter]

He just lets it go and lets it be raw

[chilly pine]

decsribes ballas, but not entrati

[median edge]

"self-centered sense of self importance"

[solid otter]

You're mistaking his wish to not burden people with his mistake as. Self importance

[median edge]

Almost like he's the only one who can bring "something as holy as absolution"

[solid otter]

I suppose literally every character that has ever existed is. Narcissistic

Because they have a goal they want to achieve

[median edge]

He literally thinks he's bringing absolution

[solid otter]

That may or may not be unobtainable

To the devil he created.

Al sp

Thats taken so wildly out of context

He is wondering what role science may play in something like absolution, from memory

[median edge]

I am not saying he's a narcissist btw- I think he has narcissistic traits in thinking he has high self importance

[hearty pendant]

his goal is solving the issue of the man in the wall. yes, he believes he is the only one who can do so. yes, there will be people caught in the crossfire. for this purpose and this purpose alone, he views himself as important

[solid otter]

He

[chilly pine]

he made a mistake, he knows more about the situation than anyone, makes sense that he'd think hes the only one capable of fixing it

[solid otter]

Doesn't see himself as super important outside wally

He wanted to go and put the stars in reach, thats a normal goal

For something in the universe of warframe

[thick jolt]

His self loathing kinda gets in the way of thinking he is narcissistically self important

[solid otter]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN

Again its not a entirely unheard-of thing to see folk think those notes are supposed to sway our character

But they're not. Like. At all

Those feelings of self loathing are legitimate

[median edge]

He literally did extremely cruel things because he things he knows how to recon with these higher powers but he cannot and is grasping at straws. You can be self loathing and narcissistic. You can be so into your own self pity you cannot see outside if yourself and thinking your problems are the most severe and only you can fix them.

[solid otter]

He

Put animals in the void to dumb wally down

It was a sound hypothesis actually

I can see the logic behind it

[thick jolt]

Issue is his problem is very severe, and worse severe for everyone else

[solid otter]

He is taking the brunt of what we have to do, and even now it seems like a impossible task

[median edge]

And if it is that severe why is he the only one who can solve it and has to be the man with the terrible and cruel plan?

[solid otter]

Its only been as easy as its been because of him lmao

[thick jolt]

Wally is his problem, and is a problem that is severe for everyone

[solid otter]

Because he doesnt want to put that burden onto other people for fear of hurting them???

Thats like. Half the reason he left loid and the family

[chilly pine]

because only he and maybe lotus actually understand what theyre dealing with?

[solid otter]

And its his mistake!

[median edge]

Bro he's killing people and doing cruelty, the fact he rather do that than ask for help is literally the problem

[solid otter]

Let him fix his own mistake.

[solid otter]

Would you rather be forced to go through process of elimination when it comes to wally?

Would you want to have to second guess eveyr person you know?

Do you want to keep your darling hex away because you dont know if one is wally?

He is preparing to die.

Thats something he is doing. He is preparing to die, if it stops wally.

He also regularly pushes away things that could inflate whatever ego he has left

He didnt make those posters, in 1999. As funny as it would be

He left duviri, he left the origin system that praised him for his achievements

He left the church, back in xx99

Or. Whenever he came in

He also

Like. Did nothing when he was there

He was just there, sleeping, eating and..probably praying???

[median edge]

I would attempt a way through probably without the systemic violence towards innocents by creating coalition. But it doesn't matter what I would do, it matters what this character and done and people valid interpretation. Like sorry about your precious blorbo being shitty but that's literally the reality of liking a media that's nuanced like this. You're treating it like it's all or nothing, this plan or nothing. As if it's black and white, as if you're discrediting the work the writer ARE putting in to make a nuanced story

[solid otter]

Oh my god you just lack media literacy

I hope you know i actually hate him. Right?

[thick jolt]

Also very few people have managed to even recognize wally's presence

He didnt exactly have many people to turn to for help, the few he couldve he wanted to keep safe

[solid otter]

He reminds me of my father in ways I do not like

[median edge]

Yeah okay Thomas I'm sure everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot who lacks media literacy

And there's literally no other options at all

[solid otter]

I only want him to live because Loid deserves that.

And I also don't see you thinking the same for Loid!

[solid otter]

Yeah, that too. He went out and said shit about a man in the wall and people thought he went insane.

[crystal tiger]

I wonder if they ever thought about making stalker a playable warframe

[chilly pine]

as i see it, outside of the people already involved theres no one who can actually help him, because so much is lost and few people have any understanding of whats happening

[solid otter]

He literally had noone else other than someone who had also dealt with him

[chilly pine]

they have, few times he has been, last time was during belly of the beast

[solid otter]

And why do you want him to involve more people? Wouldn't that be just him hurting more innocents??

[median edge]

Dude you are so damn argumentative. I literally just said my opinion on him and you decided to explain to me that I'm wrong and actually just lack media literacy

[crystal tiger]

no like a perma warframe we can use

[chilly pine]

stalkers also playable in duviri if you have the intrinsic

[crystal tiger]

I need him because I want to match with my partner lol

[solid otter]

Yes, because you somehow managed to misinterpret every single thing that shows Albrecht isnt anything like how you think he is

[crystal tiger]

since I think jade and stalker HAD a relationship im pretty sure

[solid otter]

The game is telling you that this interpretation is wrong.

[median edge]

Dude no I didn't that's literally my opinion!!

[solid otter]

Thats why Marie exists, thats why Roathe exists

[median edge]

No it's not!!

[crystal tiger]

L roathe fr..

[chilly pine]

as for making him a proper playable warframe, im sure theyve considered it, but theres probably more stuff they want to do with him first

[crystal tiger]

I think i was the only person to cry during that one quest

[solid otter]

You can have all your interpretations and opinions and shit but you can still be wrong when the game is telling you that you are wrong.

[crystal tiger]

witih jade disappearing and a baby taking her place

😭

[crystal tiger]

hey so thats why its called an opinion...

[chilly pine]

that quest, especially that last segment was definitely a tear jerker

[median edge]

Like sure, If I misinterpreted it, let's say you're right, you're not, but let's say you are, do you have to bark down at everyone who disagrees with you and act like your opinion is objectively correct?

[solid otter]

You somehow manage to like Roathe when he has done WORSE.

[crystal tiger]

fr

[median edge]

Literally who are you talking about at this point

[crystal tiger]

I bought jades whole set

and I made a little fashion for her :D

[solid otter]

Might I remind everyone here that Roathe will call a grineer a slur, murdered several slaves, generally sees nothing wrong with how ballas ended up hurting Margulis, I can go on

[median edge]

You're just rambling to yourself about nothing at this point, I at no point said I liked roathe- EVER.

[crystal tiger]

anyways @chilly pine what do you think will be the next main quest?

I'd say another ballas hunting trip

[solid otter]

Not to mention that he planned on just taking over the orokin empire for himself, which was the main goal of the war in the old peace

You somehow like HIM

[chilly pine]

next main quest, tau, tau has been announced as an update for this year

[crystal tiger]

fr?

[median edge]

Who?!?

[crystal tiger]

like what do we do in tau

[chilly pine]

was announced right at the end of the announcement trailer for the old peace, but the names the only thing we have for that update rn

[crystal tiger]

oooo I never watched the trailer lol

[balmy storm]

We don’t know if it’s the next main quest, we just know Tau 2026 is this year

[crystal tiger]

I was too focused on the song

[chilly pine]

true, but it is the next major point thats been announced, and old peace is certainly leading us there

[solid otter]

Did you not say that you'd be in a polycule with both the hex and the triad? That was one of our last conversations, wasnt it?

[crystal tiger]

do you think they'll add the next stalker mission as a side quest or main quest?

[balmy storm]

Oh for sure, The Hex ended by leading us towards that too
We’ll find out at Pax and Tennocon tho

[balmy storm]

What next stalker mission?

[crystal tiger]

idk a mission for stalker or sum

[balmy storm]

Like continue his story beyond Jade Shadows?

[crystal tiger]

yeah

[balmy storm]

Yes they will continue that story

[crystal tiger]

I wanna play as stalker more

I need more stalker lore

[balmy storm]

Unlock him in Duviri

Only way

[chilly pine]

i suspect they are going to continue that story, especially with the baby

[crystal tiger]

hes playable in duviri?

[median edge]

No? I might have said I would multiple people if given the chance but I literally have said nothing about roathe, I literally don't like him. You're going literally just mad about nothing right now

[solid otter]

Mm, I dont think the baby will be mentioned for a long time

[tight pagoda]

Rank 10 for the Opportunity thingy

[crystal tiger]

I mean the baby was part of jades shadow.. sooo

[solid otter]

Next main story arc seems to be more focused on the sentients anyways

[crystal tiger]

💀

[balmy storm]

Also I have a feeling Stalker will be treated similarly to Umbra, both of their stories have been told
But the baby’s hasn’t yet so that’d be the focus

[solid otter]

One we. Probably put wally in a jar like nihil

[tight pagoda]

Maybe the June/July update will return to that?

[balmy storm]

We’re in that arc
We’re in 2 arcs rn

[crystal tiger]

tbh the baby looks like a tiny version of jade

[median edge]

It feels like they should tho right it felt random to be a main quest

[crystal tiger]

like the complete EXACT version of jade

[balmy storm]

We’re presently in both the Void War arc and the Tau arc

[tight pagoda]

The baby has eyes

[solid otter]

The baby has eyes?? She doesnt have visible eyes 😭

[tight pagoda]

It looks more like stalker than it does her tbf

[crystal tiger]

she does

[balmy storm]

We don’t even properly see the baby lol

[solid otter]

Thats like. Something neat i do like about her seraph inspiration

[crystal tiger]

she has visible eyes

[tight pagoda]

The baby's just clothed in Jade's colors

[solid otter]

. Not like the baby

[crystal tiger]

you can see her eyes when you hold her

[balmy storm]

He has elements from both, which is expected while also being unique because he is a unique being

[solid otter]

Like. I'm looking at jade right now

[tight pagoda]

The baby has eyes, Jade doesn't really. Well, besides her ability.

[solid otter]

Because im a idiot with poor financial restraint and i bought another jade to subsume

[balmy storm]

Boy what

[crystal tiger]

tbh I think jade and stalkers story was the saddest in the whole game

[solid otter]

LISTEN I HATE THE GRIND

[balmy storm]

It is up there

[crystal tiger]

was the saddest mission in the game*

[solid otter]

I HAD 400 PLAT SITTING THERE

I BOUGHT EVERYTHING I WANTED

[balmy storm]

It’s not that bad of a grind + you should have waited for belly of the beast

[crystal tiger]

fr

[solid otter]

Thats a yearly thing

[tight pagoda]

It was much more tolerable during Belly of the Beast since you were grinding for something else

[solid otter]

What 😭

[tight pagoda]

So yeah that makes sense

[solid otter]

I should mention that I suck at solo warframe and Australian servers are empty as shit

[balmy storm]

I have so many extra motes, I can force Stalker to come out whenever lol

[crystal tiger]

wild

[solid otter]

So it is a little worse

[balmy storm]

Pop into another server :?

[crystal tiger]

hey ducky you should like TOTALLY team up with me while stalker is after you

[wary solar]

Rap tap tap

[balmy storm]

You can change region, ofc that comes at a cost

[tight pagoda]

Ascension is literally the easiest game mode though

[crystal tiger]

so I can scare him away

[solid otter]

My internet cannot handle it 😭

[tight pagoda]

No failure state

[solid otter]

Yeah cept for dying

[crystal tiger]

OOO i got a good idea

[balmy storm]

No I got motes, the things you can sell to Ordis
Stalker comes out
I can’t force him to pop up in missions lol

[wary solar]

XD

[crystal tiger]

they should make it when stalker hunts you he'll turn into a good guy instead and help you fight if ur jade

[balmy storm]

No he just leaves

[solid otter]

He just disappears lmao

Half the reason I play as jade

[balmy storm]

He drops his rewards and leaves

[crystal tiger]

I mean he does help for like 2 seconds before he leaves frfr..

[solid otter]

Because yes, I somehow die with jade

[balmy storm]

So a niche miniboss will instantly die if he shows?

[crystal tiger]

if it isnt stalker its misery chasing me down

[solid otter]

I suck ass at this game and I play for the lore, not the gameplay

[solid otter]

Yeah he was super common for me like. Last year

[median edge]

Not v good at that part earlier lol

[crystal tiger]

hey atleast they still give rewards..

[median edge]

True lmfao

[crystal tiger]

I got the incarnon for dread and that one weird melee that stalker drops

[solid otter]

It gotten to the point where Id just rather not get that happen

[solid otter]

Hate or war?

Sword or scythe

[crystal tiger]

I think its hate

[night grail]

Hes a little melodramatic sometimes

[tight pagoda]

War doesn't have an incarnon

[solid otter]

OH

[crystal tiger]

yeah its hate

[solid otter]

Sorry I cannot read sometimes

[night grail]

But albrecht's melodramaticness is part of why I like his character

[crystal tiger]

BUT idc about that I got my eyes on those 2 juicy 3 day mod drop chance boosters

[solid otter]

I wanna drown Albrecht in blackcurrant juice sometimes

Wonder if that'll stain his hair lmao

[crystal tiger]

I wonder if we'll get more interactions soon with the people at deimos

[solid otter]

We just got some 😭

[crystal tiger]

in main quest.

[solid otter]

I mean

[median edge]

I try not hold that against him as much as a dramatic queer poet myself but God damn, take a break with your husband for a day or something lmfao

[solid otter]

The kim isnt exactly main quest but like

It definitely seems to be important later on

[night grail]

He can't he's too busy fighting the Horror

[crystal tiger]

wait whos creation was dante..

[solid otter]

He does do that

[crystal tiger]

I forgot

[solid otter]

Albrecht does take a break

He gets high with Loid lmao

That's like. The peakest part about his notes

[crystal tiger]

if you guys could romance ONE warframe who would it be?

[median edge]

Sometimes the Horror™️ must wait and we must tell our husband we love him

[solid otter]

None, id just not want any form of infestation near me

[tight pagoda]

Not romance but I'd like to be buddies with the original Gara

[crystal tiger]

interesting

[solid otter]

Youd find this neat actually. The song at the end of whispers is a love confession

Two voices singing to each other

[tight pagoda]

Yara Jeliira— Behold my Heart

[crystal tiger]

GUYS. favorite warframe and why?

[solid otter]

Behold my heart, fill my heart fiercely.

Eternal union, eternal union, I am your counterpart.

Behold my heart

Fill my heart fiercely

ATUFH

[crystal tiger]

and who would you like to see in the future?

[median edge]

I don't want to date any of my frames, I want to have a tea party with them

[crystal tiger]

which frame is ur favorite.

[tight pagoda]

Can't wait for Lotus Eaters to be translated

[solid otter]

I like limbo...

[crystal tiger]

ur fired

[median edge]

Yareli ❤️❤️❤️❤️ and Koumei 💕

[solid otter]

Im more excited to see what the executor track could be

[crystal tiger]

PIXEL... which yareli?

[solid otter]

Limbo prime with his deluxe tho

[crystal tiger]

ur fired

[solid otter]

The thrown secondary skin goes so hard

Little sentient card thing

[median edge]

OG- i literally think she's prettier than prime but I love prime too

[crystal tiger]

triple fired

[solid otter]

Im still firmly believing that the next batch of protos, if there are some would be like. Follie and Loid, and theyd be unromancable because. Loid is loid, and unfortunately some people dont see the appeal to Follie and that is a majority [or maybe a loud minority] DE might listen to

[crystal tiger]

reasonable point

[night grail]

But genuinely, Albrecht is a faceted character.

I think his goal is ultimately noble but his ways of achieving it is horrendous. The Tenno mostly has acted as a clean-up crew for him whether intentionally so or not.

[solid otter]

I don't think he really intends for them to do clean up, they just do because thats their nature

[zenith jacinth]

Sevagoth, stylish, fun and the newest frame when I started

[solid otter]

Like when my older sister comes over and she tries to wash dishes

Like sit down woman we are here to binge the fallout tv show

[median edge]

Yes this exactly. I just mainly have an issue with how he went about things

And I think it's completely fair to criticize his character, that's media literacy 101 baby lol

[night grail]

No it does seem intentional tbh with the way the kalymos sequence was only complete after the hex finale

[solid otter]

That part, yeah, but like. The whole triad deal, I don't think that was intended [but he did seem to plan for it]

[night grail]

And I know Marie isn't the most objective narrator when it comes to Entrati but I think he does believe in what he preaches. It's just something else entirely from practicing it

[solid otter]

Albrecht coming home with the milk to find Roathe is in his house [he really really hoped that wouldnt happen]

[night grail]

And Roathe of course is another guinea pig. It's Albrecht testing the waters of if he too could change

[solid otter]

Even though it was a willing thing Roathe wanted

You gotta remember that part, Roathe wanted it

[median edge]

That's what's frustrating to me, he always has to experiment and play savior even when he really genuinely should not, like no offense but he needs to realize his realistic capabilities. This is what I mean when I say he has a high sense of importance, only he can do it, he's apparently the only one smart enough or capable enough. It would be different if it were true in anyway.

I rather liked him and Loid/ was more neutral at first but they are flawed absolutely.

[night grail]

I think it's more his inferiority complex of like "this is my shit nobody else I care about should have to deal with this"

[graceful zodiac]

That not an inferiority complex, that's needless self sacrifice

[median edge]

I think if it were just that he would be less willing to disregard so many others agency.

[solid otter]

Maybe he just wants to die tbh

Thats what I am sensing from how he acts

[graceful zodiac]

That is the point, yes. He created the problem and see himself the the one that must suffer to solve it

[median edge]

Then leave everyone else out of it lmfao

[graceful zodiac]

Albrecht absolutely is set up for a sacrifice play, narratively

[solid otter]

Which i hate

It defeats the reason Roathe exists

[median edge]

But he kinda sets it up himself

[solid otter]

Which. He does

Outside the hex and shit, which was needed for us

I don't get it

You don't want him to involve people but you want him to involve people

[median edge]

He is so willing to die that this plan must be the one. This must be his holy calling. He sets up this very classic pilgrimage self flagellating angle

[median edge]

Well I meant the hex and us

But you said "except those"

[solid otter]

Well, you can't exactly not include us

We made a deal with wally long before we met Albrecht

We did hear of him though, you can find his portrait and the zariman references his book and or autobiography

And the hex are needed for the drifter to regain their whole. Empathy thing

Which is what duviri served for Albrecht

[median edge]

I am referring specifically to you saying "he just wants to die" - leaving everyone out of it, there are simpler ways to accomplish that and he's a learned man of science. He could figure it out. I'm not saying he should but obviously being in bad mental straits is not his only motivation for things and you are selling him and the writers short with that one.

[solid otter]

Im

Not doing that. Im saying that his weird self flagellation probably comes from a underlying issue of "i should have died."

And to say "why doesnt he just off himself" is silly. Because people will also be left with his mess

Like what do you want him to do??

[median edge]

Not use systematic violence and brute force and maybe create a coalition instead? Maybe actually apply what he learned from his daughter? Lead with compassion?

[solid otter]

Do you want him to just let himself die, involving more people or do you want him to not involve more people and let him choose when he carks it??

Whcuh

Is what he does. He does that thats the hex

But you dont want him to involve more people

Which making a coalition would do

And that would make more people at risk!

Your own logic doesnt make sense

[median edge]

The fact you're trying so hard to force me into a black and white mindset is wild- maybe if you considered a more nuanced position you would get there to understand why multiple people have said similar opinions

[solid otter]

Do i need to reiterate the multiple opinions on a topic does not matter?

I figured you, as a queer person, would know that multiple agreeing opinions on something isnt always valid.

[median edge]

Man if you only care about your opinion then maybe close discord

[solid otter]

You are. Doing the same thing

I have people who agree with me, you have people who agree with you

[median edge]

Like what is the point of being in a community of people who enjoy an art work just to belittle them on their opinions and say your objective truth is the one

[solid otter]

You are saying you do not want Albrecht to involve more people than he did, right?

Let's just get everything down here

[median edge]

No honey, you're wrong, I did not come to your happy post and shit on your opinion and say it's impossible bc mine is objectively true

[solid otter]

Ew do not call me that.

I am asking, do you want Albrecht to involve more people or not.

You want him to have formed a coalition

[median edge]

I don't only care about my opinion, that's literally why I am in the discord and talking to people

[solid otter]

So, that statement would say you want more people involved

But, you don't want him to involve more people.

[median edge]

Yeah go ahead and rant for 20 mins about an argument I didn't make. No matter what I say you will find the most irrelevant bad faith interpretation. I'm done. Please stop making this server a terrible place to talk about Warframe and share opinions and thoughts it's rather shitty.

[solid otter]

Your own words. Albrecht wants to fix his mistake and die, so you tell him to leave everyone else out of it.

But you also say you want him to make a coalition and involve more people.

[solid otter]

I am using your own words????

Im sorry you dont wanna accept you messed up an argument

But its literally right there

[median edge]

Okay Thomas, whatever, you're right and have the most right and objective opinion ever and everyone who has anything even slightly different to say is media illiterate

[solid otter]

Oh god

Whatever will I do

Someone doesn't like their argument failing

[median edge]

Probably continue to make everyone dread talking in the spoiler chat lol

My argument is not failing because you cannot comprehend someone thinking differently than you lol

[solid otter]

No

[median edge]

But I fear you are much too cooked

[solid otter]

Youre just contradictory

Looking at what you said

[median edge]

Okay Thomas for sure you're so right and smart wow thank you

[solid otter]

You said Albrecht shouldn't involve people

And you said he should

So what is it???

No like legitimately

I am trying to understand what you're saying and I dont understand it

-# wow its almost as if I have a disorder that makes it hard for me to see outside black and white

[median edge]

"then leave everyone out of it" - referring to he just wants to die. I literally already explained it

Do you like making the chat a unpleasant and borderline hostile place to discuss casual Warframe opinions

[solid otter]

Which was. In response to why he wants to do shit by himself when its with wally

[mighty valley]

everyone in this channel hates albrecht and will get mad if you say anything about him that's not negative btw

[solid otter]

Its an interesting side effect of how the hex is placed to new players, imo

[mighty valley]

if you think albrecht is the goat (i do) you gotta mute the channekl

[solid otter]

Deadass though, I dont think hes like. The best person ever

But its certainly not.

[median edge]

Literally every single other person has been wonderful- I fear this a one sided person issue lol

[solid otter]

"If he wanted to commit suicide why didnt he do it already"

[solid otter]

Also what do you mean by systemic here?? Albrecht was cut off from any other system besides his own labs

These are legitimate questions i do want to know the meaning behind what you're saying

[median edge]

People who politely and respectfully disagree and think he's the goat? Honestly fine with me lol

[solid otter]

I. I tried to do that, I tried to explain that

I tried to be as polite as I can but I. Dont know what your version of polite is

Pleases and thank yous sound sarcastic when debating an opinion

And. I let you say your side, and I can agree on some points

But others are just. Not what the story wants you to take things as

You say he has narcissistic traits, and your own misinterpretation of his self sacrificing behaviour means you don't understand what the story is going to be trying to do

I get the sense that nothing Albrecht could do would be okay to you

[median edge]

Thomas, I have to be honest, if I genuinely respected you or thought you meant well at all I would explain until you got it but you cannot be a jerk and demand everyone to agree with you.

[vagrant pawn]

anyone else having this bug with the devil's triad? where you have to ask lyon for help with roath and he ends up stuck typing?

[median edge]

That's literally your problem, because I have issue with anything I must hate him completely. You are just assuming in bad faith, as you do, on the regular.

[solid otter]

Why are you withholding the explanation that could. Make me see your side, if me disagreeing with you isn't something you want?

[solid otter]

No, i just. Can't see what you want him to do? You don't want to involve more people, but you do at the same time! Do you want him to take on help from others or do you want to stop cleaning up his messes?

[median edge]

Can you just do me a favor and if you see me talk about something don't respond 😭🙏🏽I do not wish to entertain this or any future silly rude conversations

[solid otter]

I. Im trying to be friendly with people by engaging even if i dont like them

Isnt that what folk are supposed to do??

[vagrant pawn]

imma go ask in another channel

[median edge]

I'm sorry I didn't see this but I think the Kim chats are currently v buggy, not sure about this in particular tho

[sand spindle]

DOES SHE WANT ME OR NOT

[crystal tiger]

what type of warframe would you guys of like to see in the future

like brand new frames

[median edge]

More frames with fun movement, roller skating frame!

[night grail]

Um

I got soft locked

[wanton flax]

How do they do a protoframe equinox

Multiple personality disorder right?

[solid otter]

Alternatively, two different people

Or just the same person because equinox isnt two people. Just two aspects of an idea personified

Tldr masc/femme woman. Depending on the form

[wanton flax]

Hmm energetic tomboy and a goth woman

[floral hawk]

its joever for you sorry

[tight pagoda]

Could just bipolar, tu/vu thingy

High energy, low energy

[floral hawk]

have we translated the backrooms orokin, btw?

i dont recall...

and these scrawlings

[night grail]

????

[solid otter]

YES WE HAVE

"No god above knowledge"

[floral hawk]

ohh i want a tattoo of that

[solid otter]

SAME

Actually do. Do you mind if I dm you smthn rq

Its related i swear

[tight pagoda]

Did you replay? The second email was probably meant to be one for the flower decoration

[night grail]

I relogged and got the flower in a different message

It seems to have stuck

Also the first screenshot is from my original message

It just completely duplicated

Maybe because I replayed after linking to a mobile account?

[median edge]

I started old peace but literally unintentionally fell asleep during it 😭

[balmy storm]

Falling asleep in class

[median edge]

For reals 😭 maybe if they stopped forcing me to play Excalibur

[neat portal]

Excalibur is ❤️‍🔥 I'm still sad i never got the founders pack

[lofty girder]

Really frakin ironic

[solid otter]

I mean, high chance he never started the family

He just nuked its reputation

[signal jasper]

is it possible to get stuck in the new war quest if you arent sufficiently strong

[solid otter]

Nah

they've nerfed it a lot

Just do a couple Railjack missions

[signal jasper]

will i need a necramech

[undone lodge]

Yes

Theres a necramech section

[signal jasper]

should the quest be available even though i dont have a necramech yet ?

[solid otter]

Oh, yeah lmao

[undone lodge]

It might give you one during the quest for free? I already had one so didn’t exactly check

It could also just look like its available but then you click on it and get a popup or something

[solid otter]

Yuppers

Gives you one for free

[signal jasper]

ohhhh thank you !

so i should be good as long as i have some stuff for my railjack ?

[cerulean kiln]

I still hate how DE keep making players not play the game

[solid otter]

Mhm

[solid otter]

Necramech grind isnt even that bad 😭

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

They nerfed the grind

[hearty pendant]

made it not required and then made the grind easier (again) iirc

[solid otter]

Mhm

[undone lodge]

They nerfed the RJ portions because people kept rushing into NW and getting stuck, should be doable with base

[hearty pendant]

doable with base but def more comfortable with good stuff on it

[signal jasper]

ahh thank ya ! :D

[cerulean kiln]

Should've let them get stuck for not reading

[solid otter]

I do not suggest rawdogging it but its up to you

[signal jasper]

ive got some mods and 2 crew for my railjack and im starting the necramech grind anyway

[forest kiln]

Some of the drop rates on some of the minerals are ass that's the only issue I had. It took me a whole night to get like some of the shit out of 20

8 hours

[solid otter]

Oh the uhm

Pink gem?

I only struggled with Namalon

[hearty pendant]

yea the rng on some of the minerals are weird
that's pretty much the only bad piece of it now

[forest kiln]

Yeah they messed with the drop rates in 2020? 2021 for the gem and namalon and never fixed it . I hope whoever did that isnt doing well

[cerulean kiln]

What DE should be done instead of removing the requirement was increase the drop chance