spoiler-chat

[cerulean kiln]

I’ve got 2 of them but ain’t bothered about the reset as I use the Scholar of Secrets one anyway

[solid otter]

I find the motivation behind collecting honoria by dating folk kinda really gross

[quaint junco]

Oh I mean like, out of all 103 total

Not just the ones you outright buy from Roathe

[solid otter]

Tbf the whole romance stuff this update is dogshit

[tight pagoda]

I like The God Above Knowledge

[quaint junco]

I LOVE my fragmented one

[solid otter]

I like my kalymos' best friend

[opaque dove]

I intend to only have two. The one from aoi(already got it) and the one from Lyon

[quaint junco]

That and ‘The Great and Terrible’ are my absolute favorite, I think if Fragmented weren’t so rare, I’d def use the other one more

[cerulean kiln]

Oh, I got 52 of them

[quaint junco]

I’m just missing Arthur’s romance, Roathe’s romance, Veli/Min dialogue, Juggernaut parts, and Harrow chassis

[solid otter]

Imo it just makes folk just go around doing it for collective reasons and its just. Ew.

[quaint junco]

Then I’ll have all 103

[cerulean kiln]

There’s actually a sort of secret one you can get

[quaint junco]

There’s a good few secret ones

[zealous latch]

also uhh it says anantmia with roath but in sanctum it gives date option? WTF?

[quaint junco]

How secret are we talking, do I need to update my counter? 👀

[solid otter]

DE try not to make players uncomfortable regarding romance features challenge (impossible)

[opaque dove]

I’m collecting all the others. Just not the dating ones, I’m not madman

[cerulean kiln]

There’s the Kalymos one

[tight pagoda]

That's me with the dates, gonna spend 5 weeks with Lyon, then Roathe, then Marie

[quaint junco]

Oh yeah those aren’t like, super secret

[solid otter]

Maybe not for you but okay

[quaint junco]

They’re all on a website tbf, I had to go look up if there’s a Janus captain vor one and found out you can just find them all

[solid otter]

How many people regularly interacts w Kalymos lol

Well. By that metric, none is rare

[cerulean kiln]

It’s sort of secret as not everyone bothers going to Kalymos or even living in Backroom

[quaint junco]

I live in the back room :(

[solid otter]

Folk don't even know you can pet her now

[quaint junco]

But also I just like replaying the final mission and found it

I think the Fragmented and Mechanic are probably as secret as it gets

[solid otter]

Eh not really

[opaque dove]

I got it. Happy you can pet the good girl

[quaint junco]

Plus fragmented is…vaguely difficult so I like to wear it to ‘flex’

[solid otter]

If theyre easy to find its not a secret, and if theres a site that makes it easy to find.......

[quaint junco]

And it sounds cool, so I gotta hype it up

[cerulean kiln]

I’m happy with the 52 I have

[quaint junco]

Any thoughts on what Vor’s Honoria is gonna be?

I genuinely hope it’s not as lame as the H-06 is 😭

[opaque dove]

Im going to not like fighting Janus Vor, H-O9 Apex or The One

[quaint junco]

It would be so much easier if it wasn’t frame locked

[tight pagoda]

They're all on the Wiki

[quaint junco]

My Zephyr like 2 shots the 60 eye boss

[tight pagoda]

Even a designated quick tab for them now

[solid otter]

Theres secrets not only the wiki and I love it

[quaint junco]

And Hildryn shield tanks the H-09 so easily

[solid otter]

And, to keep it off the wiki, I wont mention it!

[quaint junco]

Vor I’ve not bothered to make a designated carry build for yet honestly…

[solid otter]

Evil creature hours

[tight pagoda]

Gatekeeping

[solid otter]

Im always gonna do it, its perhaps the one time I'll ever ragebait

[quaint junco]

The other two bosses I can do carries for but Vor makes me upset

[solid otter]

Thats for my shrine and my shrine alone

[quaint junco]

He’s not even…excessively hard? I just SUCK when it comes to taking my floor 😭

I kinda hope they change the H-09 honoria honestly

I know they def won’t but I just hope lol

[tight pagoda]

I think the Wiki got their one datamined though because they had the Insign stuff before the thing was available for purchase

So I don't think it's actually missing anything

[solid otter]

Yeah absolutely

Oh not the honoria, just other things

Other things ive personally never seen on the wiki

[quaint junco]

Oh yeah the wiki is pretty thoroughly made, I’d have to check it for any silly secret stuff it’s missing

[solid otter]

Could've be updated but I wouldnt think so

[quaint junco]

Probably some silly interactions on damage modifying tbf, those are so hard to keep up with 😭

But other than that, the wiki is pretty comprehensive

Ugh, 11 more days until I can reset their memories again :(

[solid otter]

Oh its not even in the orbiter decoration spot on the wiki

HAHA I GET TO GATEKEEP MORE

[deft mist]

I need to figure out where blind rage drops

[cerulean kiln]

Orokin Vault

[fringe pond]

That was meant to be a checkmark

[cerulean kiln]

lol

[fringe pond]

Eh whatever
Orange Circle

[cerulean kiln]

Could at least make it a green circle

[fringe pond]

Trueee

[mellow blade]

Just lost a 30 minute descendia run because I didn’t know to jump into roathe’s things for his 2nd phase. I tried shooting first and then operator before I jumped through one and by then he blew me up. No revives. I lost so much maphica… I’d be pissed if not for DE’s checkpoint… would’ve appreciated some more them or hints

Went again and he just jumps into the sky and insta kills me?

[solid otter]

Yeah pretty much, its a pattern thing

[mellow blade]

Don’t quite appreciate the run instant ending on it but I guess some difficulty makes victory all the better

[undone lodge]

Ah, so it’s to do with Loid

Wait no that was the irl stuff

In-game was Albrecht

[solid otter]

:)

[undone lodge]

Ah, so it’s to do with Albrecht *

[solid otter]

I wont comment because screw you all i like gatekeeping

This is the one thing

[solid otter]

Sure. Its certainly in the Albrecht shrine

[copper isle]

will there be a similar experience than the New War?

[wooden fractal]

Secret bosses? I believe they were mentioned on the devstream as a nudge-nudge-wink-wink

[safe gazelle]

So

Are we albrecht entrati experiments?

We his pet?

Why we need go after him for

He left its his choice

The moment we turn back everything will be changed

[copper isle]

No. playing as enemies, and such

[solid otter]

Nup, nup, and we need to find him because hes leading us to a way to kill the indifference

His hand was forced in regards to leaving

[safe gazelle]

But what is keeping us back then

I didnt saw indiference slowing us down

What if indiference is albrecht entrati

And albrecht is the bad guy

That would be a plot twist

[fringe pond]

the most interesting thing about incarnons IMO is that the voidstuff curls around them differently depending on the variant used

[undone lodge]

He’s the one with the plan to deal with Wally, he left for the next step and we’re following to help, which is part of said plan

[safe gazelle]

Yep

Kalymos sequence complete

I thaught we get to keep the statues for actual gameplay

And cried in quest when wally slam drifter with hand i thaught we died

Even loid was sad

[fringe pond]

Boltor, Telos and Prime as an example

[safe gazelle]

We rizzle his face and he left maybe walle needs just live he never had friends

[solid otter]

Loid wasnt there wdym

[warm anvil]

if you listen carefully there was a transference sound when it happened

[solid otter]

OHHH

In Whispers.

Well, yeag

[fringe pond]

wdym "wally slam drifter with hand"

i don't rember this

[solid otter]

We're the kid in whispers

[fringe pond]

yeah

[safe gazelle]

In whispers in wall

Yea operator

Stil i cried in all story quests

[solid otter]

So, something Loid has is that he is continually soft and parental towards kids

[safe gazelle]

Theyre all dramatic and sentimental

[solid otter]

Albrecht is also like this but its a lot harder to see

[safe gazelle]

Loid is boyfriend of albrecht

[solid otter]

Yeup

[safe gazelle]

That what i understood from randoms in chat

[solid otter]

He helped raise mother and her children too

[safe gazelle]

So in 1999 we found weakness of man in wall

Its love

[solid otter]

Yup, we did technically find this out in whispers

But it was confirmed in 1999

[safe gazelle]

So if we love him it all ends?

:))

I just cant wait till march to see whats new in the shadowgraper and new frame folly

Painter

I thaught march update is tau but is just small update

[fringe pond]

Tau is probably after

[balmy storm]

1999 was about Drifter being pushed to care for the Hex, through understanding and love they save them

Tau is probably at the end of the year, but we’ll see

Loving Wally likely isn’t the solution, directly at least

Also I doubt either versions of ourselves would forgive him, love him or want to redeem him
He’s caused immense harm and trauma to their lives

[warm anvil]

tau is probabaly the end of the year update

[balmy storm]

We could get an update and operation about prep for it

Maybe led by Yonta or something with Pazuul

[quick smelt]

Love beam but it’s a 5000 gigaton nuke

[balmy storm]

Albrecht tried the nuke idea already

[quick smelt]

Okay but it’s imbued
With love

[balmy storm]

The ultimate love bomb

[quick smelt]

Maybe if Albrecht gave it as a GIFT it would of worked

[balmy storm]

When we gettin a love frame

Nonbinary/genderfluid frame that charms everything

double damage to all Murmur

[wooden fractal]

Ah, then no we haven't done that again since. I hope we get to re-experience that sometime.

Unless you count Nokko's mushroom segments

[solid otter]

No ducky loveboming is bad 😭

[balmy storm]

And Wally is evil
It’s perfect

[fringe pond]

We’ll get it when Xaku can damage Thrax

[balmy storm]

Apparently the tauron strikes can hit them so
They can

[undone lodge]

Forgot about the Thrax enemies and was wondering how y’all even manage to do that 😭

[tight pagoda]

Why isn't Roathe ready to help with the Entrati family?

I redeemed him, I think, and there was literally a chat with him a few days ago where he offered to get Lyon to get a move on with that

But today's chat with Lyon is about Lyon pressuring Roathe?

[real niche]

Must be some twisting of the variables. I assume none of the Triad had said they were ready to help before this?

[undone lodge]

Not redeemed, that’s Villain ending. Probably bugged.

My own chats had Roathe thinking they weren’t ready when everyone had agreed (for a convo that leads into it and not the final stuff)

[tight pagoda]

Nope, didn't have chats there, but now the notes are saying Marie and Lyon are both ready to help

What the actual hell? I just took a look back at this chat, he was thanking me before, but now it's talking about the romance? Which I never engaged him with either?

[undone lodge]

Yeah, that also happens

Same thing happened to me with Marie

[tight pagoda]

Well I guess I got RoatheVillain then

That's annoying

Does that mean I can't reunite the Entrati?

[rapid mulch]

im already dating marie and have no interest of dating roathe, but im curious. what would happen if i did the confess option?

[fringe pond]

it probably wouldn't go well if that's the case

[steep totem]

Well, I know if you confess to one of the Hex while dating another Hex, they start roasting you

I imagine Roathe would do something similar

[rapid mulch]

i chcked the flowchart and he kind of just says "we'll talk about this later" with no check if you already are dating, so i wonder what would happen in the chat after

[tardy raft]

I think he just teases you! I didn't date Marie, but I did date Lyon before I restarted.. then I'm dating Roathe... but.. mmm.. no. It's just on par of his character to tease you!

[hasty summit]

How long does it usually take for a support ticket to reply

[rain otter]

Can be up to a week. Why?

[hasty summit]

It just I’m transferring to a new ip

So I have to change ip and device

I scared DE just ban me cuz DE bans people easily

[craggy solstice]

Logging in under different IP's shouldn't be a problem, though it might be an issue if you're in a country that is no longer supported? I remember problems with russia, though that might be related to payments.

Also not sure what this has to do with spoilers.

[golden flare]

What should I do when Roathe starts talking about ||stopping our runs through the dark refractory. Specifically the moment when he says “Please”||

[hearty pendant]

keep going
he doesn't want the memories, but he needs them

[golden flare]

Right right, but what should I specifically say?

• “No, sorry, I know this is important, and I think you’re just afraid to face it”
• “Okay, I’ll stop”
• “Now you’re saying please? You’re being polite? Roathe, what’s going on?”

I won’t choose the middle

[hearty pendant]

yea, 1 or 3
doesn't particularly matter which

[golden flare]

True, but I didn’t wanna be mean 😅😂

Which option is “nicer”? XD

[hearty pendant]

first is a little mean, as is one of the branches off of the third

basically, don't call him a coward or afraid

[golden flare]

Gotcha, I wanna be as nice as possible, which option after 3 is mean?

Ok, I didn’t call him a coward. I said we need to continue, but we’ll do it together

He’s upset with me, understandably so. But it was the nicer of the two

[hearty pendant]

indeed
he's not very used to.. support

[golden flare]

You’ve got that right 😅
Dude is Orokin, and he’s pretty harsh. However, all this “Demon” symbolism on him is just the surface. He needs to recover, and be surrounded by people he can call friends, truly friends

Thanks for the assist!

[south hamlet]

Ooh, I think I might've finally broken Albrecth's spell on Marie.

Where do romanced Triad characters go? The Backroom as well?

[undone lodge]

They don’t

You just get to go on dates with them

[south hamlet]

I see

[solid otter]

"Albrecht's spell" broski she did it to herself 😭

[cerulean kiln]

All these Albrecht fanatics these days

We actually used to have people here saying Albrecht did nothing wrong

[solid otter]

He did some shit wrong yeag

[cerulean kiln]

He’s Human Prime they’re known for doing stuff wrong

[south hamlet]

Does the Digital Grimoire count separately for each group, or can it only reset one group per month?

[still swan]

had chat with lyon about rell

[cerulean kiln]

Can reset individually and all at once

[south hamlet]

Ohh, so does it work like the "Do you wish to forget?" menu before?

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

It’s the same but with 3 now

[south hamlet]

Ahh I see.
And once used it's on cooldown for 28 days. Gotcha

[lofty girder]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-rory-charles-graham-rag-n-bone-man-turning-around-the-room-is-spinning-gif-18986961

[solid otter]

I just think the people who believe he is only and ever will be evil are media illiterate

[solid otter]

This... was supposed to reply

[cerulean kiln]

Lol

Media literacy is on life support

[undone lodge]

Was on life support

Died and been frankensteined for a few years now

[rapid mulch]

Ok so if warframes are essentially biological robots and sentients are robots who became so complex that they border on actual biology, is caliban a cyborg or no?

[cerulean kiln]

Have you done the Sacrifice?

[rapid mulch]

ye. ive done all the story missions so far.

[cerulean kiln]

Then you should know Warframes aren’t robots

[zenith jacinth]

"Essentially biological robots"

[rapid mulch]

thats why i called them "biologoical robots". its an oversimplifaction

[zenith jacinth]

Pretty much

[rapid mulch]

ok, cool.

[obtuse gyro]

I'd say not any more than any other warframes

you may assume based on warframe construction materials that even the usual frames kinda can count towards "cyborg"ness

[wooden fractal]

iirc the Warframe's main "material" on the outside was called Steelskin?

The insides are Infested Flesh and stuff

I'd have to replay Sacrifice / re-watch those note sections to be sure

[rapid mulch]

Technically all/most warframes could be considered cyborgs as they tend to have complex devices/cybernetics/mechanisms beyond what helminth is shown to be capable of creating by itself

But when i ask if caliban is a cyborg i more mean in the sense of "is caliban half machine and half living tissue" as opposed to most warframes who are mostly biological except for their added cybernetics

[undone lodge]

Steelskin isn’t actually the name of some special material

It’s steel skin, as in they have metal in their skin “bio-ferrous exoflesh”, it’s just Ballas wording it dramatically for his monologue

[wooden fractal]

As he does :V

[undone lodge]

He says “swordsteel” or something like that Iirc

Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience.

[rapid mulch]

Actually now that I think about it some more, whether caliban could be considered more robotic/artificial (instead of the typical mostly biological infested warfame) could be up to interpretation depending on your view of if sentients can be considered "alive" or not.

[obtuse gyro]

well, both sentients and warframes are considered synthetic lifeforms so

I'd say sentients qualify for the broad definition of life

ala response to stimuli, reproduction, growth etc

[floral hawk]

Ferrocyte ☝️ 🤓

[rapid mulch]

i would too, but i always hear people call Caliban a "clanker". thats why i started thinking about this and if he would be considered more biological or robotic compared to other warframes

im using the term biological very losely

[obtuse gyro]

I mean we must also consider the human tendency to reduce things into ill-fitting categories enhanced by the warframe players' incessant inability to read

[tough bloom]

https://www.tumblr.com/nineseraph/807212485435441152/griefing-different-i-guess?source=share 😭

murakumo

griefing different I guess

-# #warframe #warframe drifter #warframe operator

Tumblr · Jan 31, 2026, 12:03 AM

[fringe pond]

Ballas called it sword steel
Probably not a literal material but more like a “steel strong enough to use for a sword”

Oh oops already mentioned

[zenith jacinth]

nah infestation can just transmutate stuff

mainly flesh into not-quite-flesh

[lusty portal]

is the old peace replayable yet? i want to replay it as my new fashioned operator, but some ppl saying it is replayable n some people say its not

[cerulean kiln]

It isn’t yet

Will be February or March

[balmy storm]

Probably March

[fringe pond]

The only changes to your operator in OP would be face and hair
Barring those outside of refractory parts

[mystic oriole]

I have said this to my clan for awhile now, but with how roathe speaks of lotus time to time saying he doesnt trust her and how he is being almost manipulated, I have said before that I don't trust the lotus and have not fully trusted her since new war i will put her down if I needed to without a 2nd thought

[solid otter]

Roathe is generally suspicious of everyone, he isn't the best metric

[cerulean kiln]

Lotus since New War has been putting in work

More than you’ve been doing

Just a little less than Rell

[balmy storm]

Lotus is more trustworthy than Roathe
Also Roathe was in a war against the sentients and is an Orokin, I don’t recall everything he says on her but ofc he doesn’t trust what he only views as a machine

Also we’re not killing Lotus lmao

Like that’s just not a thing that’s gonna happen

[tight pagoda]

Oh, phew

Was worried I'd have to reset again

[waxen sphinx]

Do you guys think Follie would be a warframe thats early in the game or like after New War? 🤔

[zenith jacinth]

Difficult to say, her mission is in the venus relay ruins but who knows when it is

[waxen sphinx]

Im gonna guess early to mid game since its the Venus Relay

[echo basalt]

i'd say probably post war within at least, at most post war within + needing tempestarii done

[steep totem]

I'd say it depends entirely on the context
The summary said that we'd be hunted by a mysterious powerful entity

Idk about anyone else, but that reminds me of a certain other mysterious entity that's been stalking us since the last horror quest

But if it isn't that, then maybe it could be early game

[wooden fractal]

The devstream demo had the Relay around level 21 but who knows what it'll change to when live

[zenith jacinth]

I hope it's not another koumei

[waxen sphinx]

What's wrong with Koumei?

[zenith jacinth]

She's a pain to farm and the mods that are intended to make her early game scaled weapons good just don't do enough

[tight pagoda]

She's not that bad of a farm, I feel like you get at least 1 part every 6 missions

[jagged summit]

So I ended up resetting, ran out of options with Roathe regarding my problems

[jagged summit]

My question actually is that I recall someone here talking about like Roathe’s chats on KIM and they said there’s a new option in a chat with him if you reset that basically saves you from villain Roathe path and it’s one of the first ones, problem is I can’t remember which convo or which choice it was, does anyone know??

[real niche]

Rank3Convo1 has "RoatheVillainShortcut" and "RoatheRedeemedShortcut" which just let you ignore the Temperature mechanic if you have other specific booleans triggered. Check out Kimulacrum

[jagged summit]

Thank you so much 😭🙏🏻

[real niche]

It's not that it "saves" you from the path so much as it lets you skip to one

[jagged summit]

Also I’m checking out the chats with him where he’s aware of the resets and I found one Rank 1 Convo 3 I believe, will it mess up the romance or will I get locked out if I confess I reset because I messed up with him romance wise? And if so do I agree to his date deal in the end of the chat or not??

[real niche]

He'll be alright if you mentioned you messed up dating him, but I don't know how the whole "deal" stuff works with it.

[jagged summit]

Ok so from what I checked in the convos regarding “Roathe Deal” I do believe if you refuse to do so you’re screwed especially taking into account if you said no to the deal the first time there’s a next chat where he asks if you reconsider and you have the option to say “ok fine I need your help” and the other is fk “No. I’m sorry I don’t make arrangements with Orokin, not then not now not ever” and he says “As you wish, far warning this was your last opportunity, you’re on your own now” so yeah 😭😭

EDIT: turns out he still speaks to you abt it in the next convos? So nevermind back to square one, the deal thing is confusing as hell, whether you take the date deal or not I think you’ll be fine

[supple dagger]

From what we’ve been told, the likely progression point she’ll be in is either post chains of harrow, pre whispers in the walls, post vox Solaris, or post post second dream

[worn fjord]

Ah damn sorry you had to reset, was hoping things would work out for you

[jagged summit]

Don’t worry! It’s as if I’m doing a whole new romance again with Roathe since he’s aware of the reset (if this time it gets fkd again I will actually jump someone)

[worn fjord]

From what I understand you don’t even have to do the date deal, if you didn’t reunite the family you could just do the family deal instead.

But to be forgiven it’s around Rank 3, Convo 3 - “It pulls at me day and night…”

There’s a part where you should be able to ask - “Do you think you can ever forgive me?”

[worn fjord]

Yea the convos themselves are interesting and sad in their own way even after reset

[jagged summit]

I actually didn’t know abt the other convos abt the forgiving part thanks! I might take the deal because it gives 10 more chemistry than the one where I refuse to take the deal

[jagged summit]

It’s okay tho mama’s coming Roathe (hopefully not bugged fkd this time)

[worn fjord]

Yea taking the deal won’t impact you negatively really, he’ll just say you owe him sometime in the future

[worn fjord]

Hoping you dodge those bugs left n right fr

[jagged summit]

Thank you for the advice brotha 🙏🏻 this is the one I can feel it, second’s time the charm (it isn’t but for my and everyone’s sake in the chat here it is)

Will be updating as usual

[worn fjord]

If you need any help you can dm

[jagged summit]

Ty bro 🙏🏻💙

[worn fjord]

Ah yes the cursed images, almost forgot these

[weary mauve]

I was dreading re-doing the conversation with Roathe about possibly fighting The Lotus and the Tenno because last time it ended really badly. Turns out there's a much more pleasant avenue in the conversation... That was a relief 😮‍💨

[still swan]

i managed to do it

[worn fjord]

Congrats!!

[still swan]

thanks

[tight pagoda]

Is Loid somewhere in the Necralisk now, or ||just Roathe||?

[tawny jay]

I was reading the above about the Rank3Convo3 chat with Roathe (I just had that chat yesterday), and this is a bit surprising/upsetting because my Drifter's not forgiven yet for the reset (done via WF support, not Grimoire - so another bug?) but I went out of my way to do Descendia's boss fights to make sure I had x = > 21 runs (again) before that chat even happened, but for some reason another glitch happened where it only counted as x = > 13?? Drifter could've been forgiven already...😭

[rancid ice]

Idk if im crazy but what are they doing in my orbiter??? Ive finished all my missions years ago minus the few just put out...

[tawny jay]

That'll happen occasionally. Be prepared for unwanted jump scares going forward, lol

[rancid ice]

istg... ill uninstall tf you mean i can be jumpsacred while in the safty of my own home CryCat

[tawny jay]

It's not all the time, but there's a reason why I stay in the backroom by default now 😅

[rancid ice]

;~; damn...

[tawny jay]

I haven't had 'that' happen to me since NYE, so I'm on edge every time I go back lol. Seriously though, it's a fun little feature.

[rain otter]

You always could.

After you did the war within. This isn't even the only place he can be. @rancid ice

[rain otter]

Also have you done the sacrific

[obtuse gyro]

isnt => 13 the max for 3.3?

[tawny jay]

No clue. I might be misunderstand the flowcharts but I know I've done more than 42 boss runs in Descendia, but it seems it's only counting 13, roughly. That's for the left side of the flowchart, but to get the forgiveness dialogue, it guides you towards the right of the chart, with 21 runs completed on HellCounter.

[worn fjord]

Well it is unfortunate that there’s only two instances where you could trigger RoatheResetForgiven and one instance where you could trigger RoatheForgivenessShortcut. It doesn’t come up again after Liked rank. Could’ve been alright to add it in later ranks or maybe storywise the writer thought it felt too late? Idk. It’s probably more unfortunate to those that don’t have “play all KIM chats” option on.

As for Descendia, while you did do 21 runs, it probably counted the VMs you had. Is it at 13 or do you have all the VMs?

[worn fjord]

This is also true, although I remember I had the bug where all the VMs came at once

Which I didn’t mind too much but yea ..This happened before the hotfixes so I guess that shouldn’t happen now

[rancid ice]

Yea

codex stays completed Salute

[rain otter]

oh it's cuz that has unique dialog after the sacrifice.

you might have missed it though cuz he appears right after it.

[rancid ice]

tbh i couldnt tell ya ;~; That was many many years ago for me

[tawny jay]

You know, it's the VMs. I was at 13 by that point. This makes a lot more sense now. I never had 'Play all KIM chats' on and kind of glad I didn't due to other bugs. I've been told that Roathe 'knowing' about the resets is still a bug, as I had gone through support reset due to other glitches but it's getting a better udnerstanding of how this all works. Thanks for the help!

[worn fjord]

If you did WF support reset, then Roathe knowing about the reset is a bug yea..But in the end you should be able get RoatheRedeemed (even if that forgiveness boolean is off the table) so good luck!

[fallow sorrel]

I had the Loid Family reunion all set up and good. And also received the message from Loid to accompany him to the Nekralisk, but i didnt go to deimos at all that day. When i returned the next day (after the daily reset) i saw no evidence of the family reunion happen, and didnt get another chance to triggerthe reunion as i have all my dialouges completed.

[fading current]

I had the same happen to me, it’ll just play eventually when you travel to the sanctum or whatever lol. As long as you have every step set up and complete you’ll get the scene. I guess just try to reload a couple of times or just wait till the next day reset to see?

[solid otter]

... did you go to the sanctum

[fallow sorrel]

not on the day i received the message from loid. But i did visit it the day after. Saw no changes in any dialouge options or any cut scences

[fallow sorrel]

i've been to the sanctum countless times after that, experienced no changes or anything as such

[solid otter]

I dont see why you not going to deimos should change that, nor should the daily reset

[fallow sorrel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I guess i'm doomed to do the triad once more

[solid otter]

They're pretty easy, or should be

Now that you've done it, you can just use kimulacrum

[south hamlet]

Nice. Roathe is secured for the endgame.
Now I just gotta get there with Marie and Lyon.

[median edge]

Finished the first drifter quest, screaming, crying, throwing up

[zenith jacinth]

Which?

[solid otter]

It would be duviri, yeah? Thats the first you can access

[zenith jacinth]

But new war is the first that released

I pray that it's not duviri

[solid otter]

Gotta view it as a new player, not an old one

[cerulean kiln]

Duviri is still the first you get access to unfortunately

[zenith jacinth]

A new uneducated player

Important addition

[cerulean kiln]

Whenever you hear someone call a quest Drifter quest 9/10 it’s Duviri

[solid otter]

Be nice

[zenith jacinth]

I am

[mighty valley]

all new players are uneducated

because. they are new

if they try to educate themselves instead of asking questions they usually end up watching some outdated youtube video from 2021

[zenith jacinth]

I wasn't

[lofty girder]

Hot take, duviri should be done asap, by the time I you get to new war, you'd forget everything about duviri so the plot twist is still there

[mighty valley]

all new players except cephalon scrap are uneducated

here's a cookie 🍪

[zenith jacinth]

I autistically research anything I get into
Bc I'm autistic and like to research anything I get into

[zenith jacinth]

The plot twist isn't the issue

[mighty valley]

i dont think people SHOULD research warframe on their own because things get reworked so frequently

i have a lot of convos with new players that are things like

"how do i get the smeeta? i want to farm resources"

bc they researched on their own

[zenith jacinth]

Should've specified that I mean lore

[mighty valley]

i think it's fine if they don't want to get spoiled too

[safe gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaArmOV_r5w

YES

we are the main villans !!!

[subtle bolt]

favorite quote:
which i wouldnt have to bother with if not for my parents, whose collective heads are so far up their collective lower sigmoids the only air they breathe is what they secrete

[cerulean kiln]

Congrats you found Kook being an idiot for the 6th time

[hearty pendant]

i should've expected orokin apologist down the pipeline from 'the corpus are pretty good'

[safe gazelle]

Im idiot?

[rain otter]

No we aren't the main villains.

[safe gazelle]

Game makes us think otherwise

[rain otter]

Literally

Doesn't.

[hearty pendant]

we've done terrible things but they are not even close to what the orokin did and would continue to do

[rain otter]

Even in the kim chats ITS SAID by you

The Drifter how terrible the orokin where and how they are the badies ajd deserved it. @safe gazelle

[cerulean kiln]

It’s the same person who made a video saying we need the Corpus and that the Infested haven’t had an update since 2020

[rain otter]

Also I'm never gonna say a ruiling class aren't villains especially a "royal ruiling class." But even then they had multiple "chattel." Classes of people.

Are you gonna tell me coprus the people that put people into medical debt are good? @safe gazelle

Just think about it for 2 seconds.

[floral hawk]

did my drifter forget her f*@&#($% glasses. everything is blurry

[rain otter]

Contact fell out.

[hearty pendant]

happens
luckily komi does not need good vision to be won

[tight pagoda]

Umbra did it with one eye

[floral hawk]

510% speed boost with 51 decrees. I'm literally faster than my own Kaithe

I'm confident i can catch up with the orowyrm on foot

[solid otter]

Well Fibonacci probably cant see it well either and he still cheats

[undone lodge]

Drifter moving like this mf https://youtube.com/shorts/CzVJ4Zz4VNg

[floral hawk]

kullervo pov:

[floral hawk]

980% movement speed and i actually outran the Orowyrm

like i could immediately run towards it -> hop onto my kaithe -> immediately jump to the head (non-SP)

[worn fjord]

Are you at R5 with the Entrati family?

[fallow sorrel]

Yeah

[median edge]

Thinking about the paradox

[balmy storm]

The paradox of drifter needing operator’s help so they can escape so that they can help operator escape so they can help drifter escape so they can— etc etc?

[median edge]

The only way out being to feel got me on the first mission ngl 🥲

My trauma clap actually gave me emotions LOL

It's a silly little thing but I love that it can pull you in and hurt you too as much as it hurts enemies

[lofty girder]

And it appears out of nowhere while you're minding your own business

[balmy storm]

Trauma!

[quaint junco]

Holy shit this week’s archimedea is nothing but doom and despair 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Deep or temporal

[quaint junco]

temporal

Speed boosted tank that has toxin aura and attacks, health damage permanently reduces max health

Obviously stat immunity is the play but that’s genuinely so evil 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Archimedea jank just sucks in general tbh

Tank

[lofty girder]

Last tank rotation had both toxin and myopic ammo lmao

[zenith jacinth]

Jank fits too

[quaint junco]

Oh sorry, I didn’t even look at elite, they’re DOUBLE speed boosted lmfao

Double speed boosted +extra enemies, tank is just toxin everywhere

What in gods name is this modifier combo 😭

[jagged summit]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dexter-meme-show-suspicious-TR996IaHtmDi1x98zW

[quaint junco]

Oh my god the survival is worse, map wide toxin damage and liminus

And again, this is with health damage reducing your max health 😭

This is genuinely vile good lord

[obtuse gyro]

thats it, persistence grace inaros is up to bat

[quaint junco]

Well, no. You’d instantly die

[quaint junco]

^

[obtuse gyro]

nah, Id win

[quaint junco]

It would take a single hit to die

[lofty girder]

yall know if you stop moving, you'll get your max HP back right?

[quaint junco]

…who told you this? lmao

[lofty girder]

You wait 12 seconds and it comes back

[quaint junco]

So…that’s a completely different sentence

But yes, should you not take any damage whatsoever you’ll regain your max hp and lose it all immediately

[lofty girder]

Its... The same sentence you stand still for 12 seconds you'll get the HP back

[quaint junco]

Where are you getting stand still??

Who is feeding you this information? Roathe himself? lmaooo

[clear sparrow]

Somehow I managed the ETA, but it took three LR5s carrying me.

[floral condor]

What is the lore of these two?

[zenith jacinth]

Designers were told that he should be like yareli's little brother and took it too literally

[lofty girder]

Both hate corpos

[tight pagoda]

When designing Nokko they decided that he and Yareli had a sibling bond, but there's nothing in their actual in-game lore that confirms that.

[floral condor]

Another thing to add to the list of reasons to hate Ballas

[lofty girder]

To compensate for the fact Garuda still has no lore

[floral condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-cyberpunk-2077-johnny-silverhand-keanu-reeves-deal-with-it-gif-12532344591050720691

[tight pagoda]

Soon!

[zenith jacinth]

That's hopium

[tight pagoda]

No Rebb said so I have faith

[zenith jacinth]

When

[lofty girder]

If you talk to nightcap, he'll tell you that Nokko's name is just No Corpo

[zenith jacinth]

Nope, not his fault for once

[tight pagoda]

Likely a joke of course

[balmy storm]

Sumo moment

[uncut solar]

Not a joke actually

She confirmed it like twice on two separate streams afterwards

[balmy storm]

Rebb does what Steve won’t

[uncut solar]

Rebb does what Stevon't

[balmy storm]

Rebboes what Stevon’t

[whole mountain]

unless it become like wall running.

[balmy storm]

That was removed for technical reasons lol

[next brook]

Should I play ts game again

[zenith jacinth]

"ts" isn't short for "this"

[lofty girder]

Dat shi

[rare rose]

Random question but I am a huge fan of Alberect's dialogue regarding his trip to the void, where he talks about each of the requiems. Are there any similar cosmic horror/etherial books styled in a similar manner. I know his VA did an audiobook reading of The King in Yellow, is that similar?

[pastel pasture]

one. more. week. of. marie

then i can reset

[tardy sinew]

I'm not receiving the voice messages from Roathe, after Adaptation

[obsidian aspen]

Is there like

Any supplementing material on why Uriel is there to be used by our Operator in Tau other than him just being there?

I’m a bit confused because Tau is supposed to be a battleground yet of any and all Warframe, Uriel is the one who’s strung up?

Additionally, Uriel was supposed to be created in batches, right? Under Roathe’s command?

So we have Uriel there in particular strung up because that Uriel, in particular, was supposed to be extra bad, in a former battlefield filled to the brim with empty frames piloted by all manner of operators, yet there he is. And our operator just decides that’s the one they’re take back to academy?

[rain dew]

Yeah?

Need there be any other reason?

[obsidian aspen]

I mean I’d like to think so

[rain dew]

Uriel was the new warframe with the patch and they wanted you to play him in the quest

[lofty girder]

I don't think there are empty pilotable frames

Like... Either the frame is piloted already, under ascaris control, or kaput

[obsidian aspen]

Like, all of them though?

[rain dew]

None others were shown

[obsidian aspen]

Exactly so like

[rain dew]

so like, what do you want?

[obsidian aspen]

Idk friend, I’m just trying to understand the two choices

DE has every right to show off the new hotness but it’s not like they’ve done it EVERY time, we don’t have a Qorvex gameplay section in whispers

[rain dew]

The choice was that it was cool as heck

[obsidian aspen]

Or, Sol forbid, the Jade gameplay section

[rain dew]

Sometimes that’s just all there needs to be

[agile haven]

well all the uriels were created as punishment, so I'm sure they didn't all immediately have someone to use them

[obsidian aspen]

Punishment?

[agile haven]

for what Roathe did

[obsidian aspen]

I thought they were created BEFORE Roathe's treasonous plotting

[obtuse gyro]

they were

thats why theres a uriel strung up

for being naughty naughty against the sentients

because yknow, the empire was mad beefing with the sentients just before

[obsidian aspen]

Okay but like
In what's ways is there to be extra naughty when you've got hundreds of child soldiers in other forms doing the same stuff

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, theres the possibility of severe and undue savagery/cruelty in combat etc

like being so naughty you stand out

[obsidian aspen]

Like why isn't grendel up there, by all intents and purposes Grendel is probably a bigger war crime

[obtuse gyro]

Hey being a Fat Bastard isn't necessarily a warcrime

[rain dew]

🤷‍♀️

he just wasn’t

[hearty pendant]

probably more related to the fact that there were a bunch of loose uriels around compared to other piloted frames

[obsidian aspen]

Ah so past the time of creating conscious frames, they still slipped in some conscious Uriels?

[obtuse gyro]

thats because they done turned a whole bunch of roathes folks

in "honour" of him

[obsidian aspen]

Genuinely asking

My understanding is that when the old war started, they had autonomous warframes, but that wasn't working too well, so they made them evolve to be empty husks for operators, and after this time old peace begins.

[rain dew]

The Uriels for whatever reasons were uniquely brutal/horrible to the Sentients enough to earn the ire of the Sentients and be used as public warnings. And that’s pretty much all we know/the game has told us.

Anything beyond that is just speculation/conjecture.

[obsidian aspen]

Ah okay

[hearty pendant]

correct, for the most part
the Uriels are an exception, as roathe says:
-# "It's storytime you want is it? How's this - my own men, my battalion, turned into Devils. To honor me. My own infantry of endless soldiers by the same name: URIEL! I couldn't save a single man. Not that I wanted to at the time, of course. Victory at any cost and all that. But, by calling myself the Devil of Tau, I doomed each soldier I trained to be turned into that thing. Uriel."

[agile haven]

there's evidence that all frames are at least slightly conscious but every frame made directly from an actual person very much are

[obsidian aspen]

Slightly conscious consistently or just as in "less conscious then the first batches but not brain dead"

[agile haven]

as in they're printed from our foundry but they still have some semblance of muscle memory and personality

[obsidian aspen]

Ah so rather than a blueprint being a hollow reconstruction they're perfectly architected copies?

[hearty pendant]

they're dormant 99% of the time, but there's still a mind in there. holds muscle memory n habits n such
the frame moving during second dream was most likely the frame waking up for a moment, as an example

[obsidian aspen]

Got it

I guess the second part for me then is understanding the appeal to pilot it

[agile haven]

one could view idle animations as that sliver of personhood coming through too

[obsidian aspen]

It was a massive distance to travel, its pilot may still be alive if it was piloted at all, and there were plenty of working ones in between

[obsidian aspen]

Excellent point I never thought of them that way

I thought it was simply flavor since they were entirely removable

But then again, if you remove a frame's idles, you can't force them to get all Zenurik stances up or anything

[agile haven]

personally I don't believe that the frames were as uncontrollable without the tenno as they were said to be. if I were turned into a VERY diseased superhero I wouldn't exactly want to work for the people that did it to me either

[hearty pendant]

gotta make a statement
and tbf you can see the operator hesitate for a moment once they've finally gotten there, before wally pushes them to keep going

[obsidian aspen]

Yeah I agree. Atlas and Yareli both have personal tales of heroism

[agile haven]

just another Orokin psyop.....

[hearty pendant]

bit of both. some of it was conscious rebellion and some was "infested madness"
kullervo describes both differently in his crimes

[obtuse gyro]

plus like, Lizzie doesnt deny that the warframes head down to the loony bin

[obsidian aspen]

When we getting the Orokin files 🥀

[obtuse gyro]

all she does is change the sign

[obsidian aspen]

That's awesome

[agile haven]

you know it's a good image when the entire conversation just stops

[hearty pendant]

"it is not Madness, Demon... Nor is it Godhood, before Someone Insists that it is... it is Simply... Another Way of Being
A Whole Of Infinite Parts"

[undone lodge]

It is, there’s an explanation in KIM chat. There’s “memories, almost” and the “bits and pieces of a personality” and because of these when doing Transference you take on their mannerisms, like how they would stand and move

[obsidian aspen]

I guess if that's the case you can interpret getting the Umbra idles for free ass his memories and being imprinting upon you perminently

[hearty pendant]

oh.
yeah that is what happens huh

[obsidian aspen]

Before I got distracted by Ballfrey over there I was thinking about how childlike it would be to wear the bad person costume when you're about to go commit crimes but then I remembered operator is n-teen and I guess I've answered my own second gripe

Rubber duck debugging Warframe's damn story

[obsidian aspen]

"Do you remember who killed Isaah?"

[lofty girder]

Balsac

[obsidian aspen]

@rain dew I was thinking something like "Going to just pick up the evil devil costume warframe when you're going to go burn down your school is a pretty immature and stupid thing to do"

But operator is still like
A teenager between the ages of 13 and 16
So it makes sense

[rain dew]

Okay

[obsidian aspen]

So I guess my initial questions have been answered thank you spoiler chat

Actually I do have another question but this one's a bit more of a fun one than a serious one

Where's all the Mod Segments at for the Corpus and Grineer

Surely there has to be more than just enough for every Tenno operative under the watchful eye of the Lotus, right?

[hearty pendant]

based on The Teacher, they're lost orokin tech that's in demand
corpus and grineer might make their own, but not to the same level as the orokin did

[undone lodge]

The Grineer have at least one, if we take that one Alert where there were Grineer deploying with an Aura mod as canon and not just devs having fun with the explanation

[obsidian aspen]

But they still drop mods, don't they? So they must have some on their person

[undone lodge]

Ludonarrative dissonance

[obsidian aspen]

I can't wait to see a grakata with a riven

[obsidian aspen]

Noooooo. My weakness!

I have one more before I fall asleep, what is that Demon Tome you use to reset memories. I thought the reason we were able to reset memories was because of Drifter's cycle powers or whatever

[undone lodge]

The digital grimoire is just a UI thing

The Drifter is able to loop the different “batches” of Helminth the Proto groups are part of

[obsidian aspen]

Loop Helminth batches?

[undone lodge]

Yes

You know

Infestation. It’s the stuff Warframes are made from

[obsidian aspen]

Yes, I know what the words mean on their own I just don't understand the specific combination there. Drifter is looping the Infestation and it's affecting the memories of the Protoframes?

[undone lodge]

Yes

The protoframes might have humanity left but they’re still being transformed into warframes, still have that same connection everything else Infested does

[obsidian aspen]

So the reason a Protoframe contains it's memrories is that when time is looped, on January 1st 1999 this version of the gang gets a massive influx of memories from the virus in their blood?

[floral hawk]

You're infested, now... And you share a connection to the infection... The strains can be influenced individually... as each one lives in its own continuity...

-# and a talking guitar owes me some favors.

[pastel pasture]

do you think they'll ever fix Alad V's lore

Like as a new player, you would be right to be very confused on whats going on with Alad V

because 99% of his lore were operations that no longer exist

[uncut solar]

Fix?

Even with operation lore I can't fathom this guy

[dense roost]

Hi, I don't know if this is the right spot, but it involves newish and current content, so I didn't want to put this question in Lore.

Does anyone have an official age range of the On-lyne band members?

Long story short with potentially upsetting info: ||buddy and I got into an argument over this last night while doing a Coda kill. We joke about hunting the boy-band for fun and profit, but it is very clearly a joke. I was fine with it prior to this for a dozen Coda, because they're just AI Techrot clones anyway, but then we got into an actual argument on how old the 'real' band members are because I honestly just don't feel comfortable taking out even mutated clones of actual children and my buddy seems to be under the impression and very adamant that the whole band is like 15-17 years old.||

Sorry to derail anything or upset anyone, but this clearly upset me enough that even after sleeping on it, I don't know if I can keep doing Coda Adversaries until I get some kind of answer...

[pastel pasture]

Aoi is a fan of Zeke. Given simple reasoning you can reason she thinks he's hot. therefore we can say Zeke is probably 18 or old.

Harddrive, Drilbit, and Rom are also probably around Zeke's age. Packet is the youngest so he's the only one I think might be younger then 18

but also beyond using Aoi to try to figure out ages. there are no offical ages i can find. Even the "on-lyne website" doesn't have them

[dense roost]

I just got the feeling Aoi had been listening to them for more than a few weeks, and I don't see her as being into actual children.

[floral hawk]

okay why not, I did a thorough comb of the Techrot Coda page and the On-Lyne page themselves and I couldn't find any information on ages, or even hints, except for Harddrive's varsity jacket which makes me think of highschool seniors or college ages

however, Rebb mentions that the Coda is inspired by when she infected the family computer with a virus in irl 1999 while trying to download boy band music from Napster; seeing that it's 1999, I guess Backstreet Boys, Westlife, NSYNC (<- this especially given the "On-Lyne" name). The average age of boyband members in '99 was around 19-22+. I guess through inspiration + setting interpolation you can take a gander that they're not literal teenagers

[dense roost]

That was my thought as well, but my buddy seemed pretty adamant that they were actual boys.

As in, refused to believe me that typical boy-bands are like 18-24 year olds

[pastel pasture]

I feel like 'adults pretending to be teenagers' was like...

how you did boybands back then

[floral hawk]

the boyband scene in 1999 was dominated by like, young adults

[pastel pasture]

I stand by Packet being the only member who might be under 18

[floral hawk]

i feel like every 15-17 boyband i've heard of was either a one-time thing marketed for kids specifically or some modern K-Pop

[dense roost]

Yes! Thank you both!

[pastel pasture]

Jonas brothers were apperently all under 18 but also like

Jonas brothers....were barely famous? i feel like

[floral hawk]

likely, in the usual spread of 18 to 24, Packet is like on the lower end

[pastel pasture]

packet also kinda has boyface

[dense roost]

I'm fine bullying young adult clones, but I do draw the line at bullying actual kids.

[floral hawk]

i really need a statistic of like boyband member ages throughout the years lol

but i feel like the 90s boyband scene were dominated by YA bands

[dense roost]

Yeah, those other two very much look early 20s.

[pastel pasture]

i have no idea how accurate this is

[agile haven]

yeah I'd say On-Lyne are adults

they're meant to be a spoof of first generation boy bands like backstreet boys more than second or third generation like one direction

[pastel pasture]

Zeke theory holds water too. I don't see Zeke as being the oldest, he just...doesn't look like it?

so you can use Zeke's assumed 18+ age to judge the other members

[dense roost]

I figured Packet was maybe barely 18, the others between 20-23.

[floral hawk]

this, since, word of god:

[pastel pasture]

I got a adware virus by downloading toolbars when i was a kiddo

[floral hawk]

Hey Kiddo...
your pom-1 is infected. download McAlbrecht now

[agile haven]

I've definitely ruined a couple laptops over the years by making poor decisions

[dense roost]

Thanks y'all! Maybe we will get official ages someday, but knowing the general thought is that they are 18-24 range like standard boy-band means I can keep hunting Nsync for fun and profit.

🫂

[pastel pasture]

if you want to add a layer of horror to your mental shield

Codas are not clones of On-Lyne.

They are an ancient virus mimicking On-Lyne. Like if a million year old demon was repeating a children's rhyme

i know what the lore says so you don't gotta say it

my point is. Flesh simulacrum

[agile haven]

it's more hunting a Bluetooth speaker playing nsync for sport

[floral hawk]

they're sorta like AI Generated Boybands

[deft mist]

Ouch

[pastel pasture]

Alad V be like "I love the Corpus!"

"Relationship with Corpus is over. Infestation is my new best friend"

"relationship with infestation is over, tenno are my new best friend"

"relationship with tenno is over. Sentients are my new best friend"

"relationship with sentients is over. Tenno are my new best friend"

"Relationship with Tenno is over...."

and he calls us betrayers...

"you have loyalty issues Tenno" was projection

[zenith jacinth]

Well, they're neither so
Yeah

[dense roost]

The Coda are literally Techrot made clones of the band members, according to in-game lore, so
Yeah
I draw the line at bullying kids, even clones of kids. Bullying a handful of clones of punk 20s, sure, all day every day. But I do not bully kids even if they deserve it.

[zenith jacinth]

But they're not clones, clone implies copying the genetic material of the original

They're just blobs of techrot being told to impersonate the band and they're doing a terrible job

[dense roost]

You're being pedantic about semantics, which ain't cool or relevant.

Everybody else got the idea.

[zenith jacinth]

It's relevant and fairly necessary specificity

And tbf being a nerd just generally is antithetical to being cool

[dense roost]

Good evening Director,

I'm happy to hear that the boys' samples arrived safely. Hairbrushes from pop star dressing rooms leading to major technological advancement... It's amazing, when you think about it! I hope you get what you want out of them. What was it again? DNA?

You've made incredible progress on the Technocyte Coda project in just a few short months. Nothing like loose regulations to encourage innovation, I suppose. Your broken eggs make the most delicious omelets. We love that about Höllvania!

Not sure how much sense I'll be able to make out of it, but please fax me the results.

Here's to a bright future,
Gregory V.

Straight from the in-game computer near Aoi.

Genetic samples were used to make the original Technocyte Coda.

[zenith jacinth]

Wth how did I miss that

I really need to stop playing without my glasses on

[dense roost]

Too busy trying to act like I'm wrong I guess.

[zenith jacinth]

No

And uncalled for

[dense roost]

Hence my moral dilemna about killing clones of what could have been children.

I'm not the one who re-upped a convo that was half an hour done and over with just to say I was wrong.

[zenith jacinth]

You seem very easy to annoy

[dense roost]

You seem like an instigator, so that's probably why.

[fringe pond]

Tbf the sentients one was a trick
At least until new war in which he tried to turn off fire control to save his own ass

[pastel pasture]

well that doesn't do much to dispel the 'loyalty issue' point

we gonna go to Tau, Alad V will already be there showing off his new 'Senuta' project

[fringe pond]

This one might be unaware of the laws of hyperfixiation

It’s just intense autism instead of instigation gang 😭

Scrap is a relatively chill fella

[pastel pasture]

Eeeh. Scrap can sometimes get a bit too defensive of a lore point

[zenith jacinth]

Unless I'm annoyed yea

[zenith jacinth]

That is also true

[fringe pond]

Fair enough i suppose

[dense roost]

I wouldn't have an issue with being defensive of a lore point, if it were actually correct.

Being called wrong while the one calling me wrong is wrong seems like a weird point to be defensive about.

[zenith jacinth]

-# though unlike some ppl I've encountered early on I at least accept when I'm wrong

[pastel pasture]

I'm gonna ping you for that fish once we get to Tau and there's remnants of the anarchs Scrap

[zenith jacinth]

You immediately turned to accusations when I admitted I was wrong

[zenith jacinth]

Tbh with how much of a no life I am it'd probably suffice to just mention it in my regular channels

[fringe pond]

How the hell would they have survived anyway 😭

[pastel pasture]

There were anarch controlled cloning sites and they were lead by an orokin

also im not doing this convo again

[fringe pond]

Eh fair

For some reason im thinking about it like “anarchs abandoned on Tau”

[zenith jacinth]

This channel, lore discussion and pc discussion are always without new messages

[pastel pasture]

if the anarchs are still around, they are being led by Nitokh

[fringe pond]

Although tbh i feel like it’d have been nice to meet non-anarch Dax

[pastel pasture]

my main basis for this beyond "it's story telling 101" is that we know we are getting 2 things this year

[solid otter]

... the boys arent children are they?

They are like. Grown ass adults from what ive seen

[pastel pasture]

garuda lore and Tau.

Gaurda is the queen of gore. Nitokh is the queen of blood. It'd make sense if Gaurda was made for Nitokh

therefore. Nitokh on Tau. that is all. not commenting further

[zenith jacinth]

The anarchs were probably absolutely ecstatic to get to rebel even if it was under orders of an orokin

[solid otter]

I think this is an adult man

[pastel pasture]

drom also kinda looks like he's like. 28...

[zenith jacinth]

Oh I never noticed that he has heterochromia

[fringe pond]

Even the existing clones (the Grineer) don’t exist as children

[pastel pasture]

look at him. he looks like he's going to talk to you about time shares

[fringe pond]

They’re popped out of the tubes fully grown

[solid otter]

Yeah this is possibly the closest you get to cloned children

Instead, the orokin liked killing regular children

[fringe pond]

Probably because of their egos tbh

[zenith jacinth]

Does the term heterochromia imply that most ppl have homochromia

[fringe pond]

Possibly

[solid otter]

They didnt like the idea of using continuity on clones

The didnt even like the idea of twins

[fringe pond]

Identical twins would be the worst iirc

[zenith jacinth]

And die not too long after

[solid otter]

... are Eleanor and Arthur supposed to be identical twins

[zenith jacinth]

Grineer life expectancy has gotta average out at like. 2

[fringe pond]

From what i can gather, something being symmetrical or identical
Meant, to the Orokin, it was basically not a person
Especially with the Grineer around

those guys were weird about individuality

I still don’t fully know how to explain it

[zenith jacinth]

Can identical twins be different genders I always forget

[solid otter]

I. Dont think they can?

[dense roost]

They can.

[zenith jacinth]

Then. Maybe they are

[fringe pond]

Im pretty sure ive seen some?

[solid otter]

In very rare cases, turns out

[dense roost]

Monozygotic Twins are identical.

[solid otter]

... in very rare cases

[zenith jacinth]

I suddenly realize I've never met twins irl

[solid otter]

Im mates with triplets

[dense roost]

I've actually known twins that were identical but one boy one girl. So I know this for fact.

[solid otter]

Iseiah, luca and liam

Ima still now believe in the idea that one of the nightingale twins are transgender, for my own health
-# copium bcs i cant date the one mf that falls under the umbrella

[zenith jacinth]

Well I'm a gemini which is called twins in german but that doesn't count

[zenith jacinth]

Which one tho

Nb falling under the trans umbrella still seems weird to me...

[solid otter]

Because ive romanced Eleanor, it shall be Eleanor. Because if its arthur, he would be the second most insufferable trans man ive met.

[zenith jacinth]

Eleanor thought she was preggo once

[solid otter]

I aint gonna try and decode that one

[zenith jacinth]

Medicine wasn't advanced enough for that almost 30 years ago
-# by the nine that's a painful reminder

I like arthur, he's just a bit ptsd

[solid otter]

I hate him lowkey

[fringe pond]

He despises John Protoframe

[zenith jacinth]

L

[solid otter]

Slowly realising that i only really like 2 hex members

[zenith jacinth]

I only really dislike 1

[fringe pond]

How do you feel about the Round Table

[solid otter]

They're fine, I like them all a lot

The triad are iffy for me but thats. That is definitely a me thing

[zenith jacinth]

I like lyon

The other two I have opinions on for different reasons

[solid otter]

I hate Roathe out of principle - something something why are we forgiving Roathe for shit he didnt even do to us, along with how hes just. Evil tumblr sexy man

Hate that trope with a passion

Marie. I want to punch marie.

[solid otter]

Also this is a wild take

We shouldn't be bullying anyone.

I might be too woke, but I think bullying people of any age is actually pretty shitty

[zenith jacinth]

I just hate orokin

I'm very consistent with my orokin hatred

[zenith jacinth]

Also same

[dense roost]

Bullying AI clones, not actual people. They're literally no different than any other infested enemy and just a reasonably alright attempt at the hive mind to imitate at that point. I don't condone bullying anyone with individual intelligence. This gets a pass because it is a Techrot AI clone, and I would have still had an issue if they'd been clones of children.

Also: conversation is over. Finito. My question was whether or not they were children or adults, which was answered and considered done even before Scrap brought it back up. No more necroing the convo.

[vale harness]

some of the villains try to make a point that tennos are monsters and exterminated the orokin because they are violent too but no like id kill them all again right now lol

[solid otter]

... theyre not ai clones either

If you say stuff that might be wrong lorewise, youre gonna get corrected

Which. Is what im gonna do

[dense roost]

They literally are, per the lore in game, please go read the PC near Aoi.

[solid otter]

They're not ai clones. They're flesh clones, sure, but i do not recall any piece of information that calls them ai.

[solid otter]

Read through em, not a mention of ai

[dense roost]

They are artificial intelligence created by the Technocyte Project, as stated on the PC that is literally in Aoi's space.

I'm done arguing with people who clearly haven't read the stuff given to them in the game.

[zenith jacinth]

[solid otter]

... their intelligence comes from the infestation doesn't it? Lmao

Im literally reading it right now broski

Theres not a mention of any artificial intelligence

[zenith jacinth]

I missed the clone detail bc I tend to play without my glasses cut me some slack mate

[dense roost]

I'm literally not even talking to you anymore because as you just stated, we settled the clone issue.

As for AI, where else would they get the scripting to be able to repicate simulated personalities?

[solid otter]

Good morning Director,
it is my pleasure to inform you that HitMaker Music accepts your offer.

There's a smokin' young secretary faxing you our signed NDAs as I type this. Everyone here looks forward to hearing more about the Technocyte Coda project. As they say, nothing beats Höllvania innovation!

This promises to be a fine partnership.

Keep up the good work,
Gregory V.

Good evening Director,
I'm happy to hear that the boys' samples arrived safely. Hairbrushes from pop star dressing rooms leading to major technological advancement... It's amazing, when you think about it! I hope you get what you want out of them. What was it again? DNA?

You've made incredible progress on the Technocyte Coda project in just a few short months. Nothing like loose regulations to encourage innovation, I suppose. Your broken eggs make the most delicious omelets. We love that about Höllvania!

Not sure how much sense I'll be able to make out of it, but please fax me the results.

Here's to a bright future,
Gregory V.

Good afternoon Director,
Or is it morning in Höllvania? Time zones always mix me up.

Been thinking a lot lately about some words I saw in your Technocyte Coda debrief: predictable, standardized, and controlled. Music to my eyes right now.

The only thing predictable about pop stars these days is their whining and complaining. Fame really goes to their perfectly coiffed heads.

How are things going with the Technocyte Coda? I can't wait to meet these new and improved stars.

Hoping for good news,
Gregory V.

Good afternoon Director,
Given the boys' recent outbursts, I appreciate your concern that their presence won't soothe your citizens as intended.

I think it's an inspired idea to have the prototype Technocyte Coda replace the boys for spoken interviews. We'll use the scripts you provided, and I'll make sure no cameras are present.

The boys will remain on standby for in-person appearances only. Here's to hoping the Technocyte Codas will soon be able to replicate the boys' physical appearance too.

Apologies for the hassle,
Gregory V.

I fail to see any ai. And now, you're working on an assumption

[solid otter]

Half the voicelines said by the Coda appear to be actual lines from the boys themselves, and making someone to act like something else is not hard

[obtuse gyro]

mhmm super rare cases, where it looks like phenotypically presenting as male or female, but genetically is anything but standard

[solid otter]

Thats what I thought, thank you Bau

[undone lodge]

I wonder if the “outbursts” are something to do with their support of Doktor Friday/Albrecht

[obtuse gyro]

Oh I see where the confusion is

[solid otter]

I think that would be neat. Viktor coping and seething as Drillbit wears Albrecht on a shirt
-# I think its drillbit

[obtuse gyro]

As for AI, where else would they get the scripting to be able to repicate simulated personalities?
Is reading from
I think it's an inspired idea to have the prototype Technocyte Coda replace the boys for spoken interviews. We'll use the scripts you provided, and I'll make sure no cameras are present.
But thats not "scripts" as in scripting a bot, thats "scripts" as in lines to say

[solid otter]

Yeah, that's what I figured

Acting type deal

[dense roost]

The point is that unless they used other living people as the base for the Coda, it is an Artificial Intelligence. Which is what AI means.

[solid otter]

....no

Then all grineer are ai 💀

High chance their intelligence comes from the infestation

[dense roost]

The Grineer are not AI, because they are cloned vat grown and accelerated Individuals.

[solid otter]

... and the Coda are almost exactly that but with infestation

They're all based on human dna

[obtuse gyro]

So where does the line get drawn here? At what point will an intelligence from the Coda/Infestation not be artificial?

[dense roost]

Where does it say the intelligence is from the infestation?

[solid otter]

Like if you wanted ai, the sentients are right there

[dense roost]

The Sentients aren't AI.

[solid otter]

No, they are

Thats why they're a huge thing in the orokin society

Because the orokin hated ai

[obtuse gyro]

Lt Cmd Datas the lot of them

[solid otter]

Breaking news, the worst person you know has a good point

God dammit why are the orokin like this

[obtuse gyro]

so the coda's intelligence isnt from the infestation? so where does it come from then?

[solid otter]

doesn't perceive gender
hates ai

AND THEY RUIN IT BY BEING CHILD MURDERING ASSHATS

[solid otter]

Ive always assumed it was obvious that their intelligence comes from the infestation

[zenith jacinth]

Among other things

[solid otter]

Even tame strains have the hivemind

[obtuse gyro]

I mean comrade Rika has a different idea so it bears hearing them out

[solid otter]

So we could assume the vessels have some aspect of sentience, albeit probably really numb and more like a plant or smthn

[zenith jacinth]

...how do cascade bombs work...

[solid otter]

How did Albrecht strap missiles to a bike? Some things we'll never know

[zenith jacinth]

A bomb that only wipes out anything organic within its radius is terrifying but confusing

[solid otter]

It had void shit with it, right? Thats Probably how

It would detonate in the air or smthn

[zenith jacinth]

I don't remember

[dense roost]

The Coda are individual intelligences, built around the personalities of the band members. One reasonably and intelligently assumes they are done using scripts of things the actual band say and do. Which makes them Artificial Intelligence, and we IRL have had AI since the 80s in that fashion, as we have had video games. AI doesn't always mean advanced like todays chatbots with reactive responses. 80s video game NPCs ran off AI algorithms.

[zenith jacinth]

But like. Removing all organic matter while leaving inorganics completely untouched is not easy to do

[obtuse gyro]

So uh, how would you explain the technocyte coda that we fight then?

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think the bomb does that?

[solid otter]

If its void, that's what it likes to do. Likes to kill of organic shit
-# teshin, Albrecht, cavia of all runs

[zenith jacinth]

But it does

That's how lotus describes it

[obtuse gyro]

the cascade bomb?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[obtuse gyro]

Oh Im looking at the bomb gara uses

[solid otter]

Wrong bomb

Theres a lot of detonation devices in warframe

[zenith jacinth]

It doesn't leave inorganic matter untouched

[dense roost]

Do they respond to your actual actions? No. They respond using script, because that's how they're coded. The Infestation responds by adapting and hive mind mutation. The Coda and infestation are not connected.

[solid otter]

Yes they do lol

[obtuse gyro]

that cascade too apparently

[solid otter]

The Coda are connected. All of the infestation is

[zenith jacinth]

The coda modify their pre-programmed lines for some responses

[solid otter]

So the hivemind you are talking about is the literal infestation

[obtuse gyro]

Do they respond to your actual actions?
I mean, yea? Thats why and how they hop and skip to the present after you shank them enough

[solid otter]

Hm. I wonder what they do when you get downed by one in 1999

[obtuse gyro]

theres not much of a pre-programmed script that says "wait out this one bugger and then fight them in an arena in space" that can come out of 1999 hollvania

[dense roost]

You guys are just looking to fight, and I'm done. I'm not responding to any more of this.

[solid otter]

Oh I know! Dance. They dance on you. Ragebaiting asses

[obtuse gyro]

what?

[solid otter]

No, we're looking to correct your misunderstanding of the lore

Don't come in here, say something wrong, and expect not to get corrected

Its like looking in the bag thats labelled dead dove, do not eat, and being shocked that there's a dead dove

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[zenith jacinth]

Impressive thought process tbh

[zenith jacinth]

You are consistently the one getting hostile yet everyone else is an instigator and looking to fight

[solid otter]

Some people just refuse to be wrong ig

[hollow gulch]

Tuff 😭

[solid otter]

But actually how did Albrecht manage to strap missiles to an atomicycle without it unbalancing, or just generally throwing off the whole shit the bike has going on

How did this man rig the bike to explode too 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Did he?

[solid otter]

I think we should all be more scared of Albrecht

[solid otter]

Its heavily implied if not outright said that he modified the atomicycles for the hex

With maybe help from Aoi?

[zenith jacinth]

By putting void energy in them

[undone lodge]

That was only one of the modifications

[zenith jacinth]

Which answers everything

[solid otter]

Yeah but that. That doesnt explain how theres micromissiles on a bike 😭

He also mightve extended the fuel tank

[zenith jacinth]

Void energy

[zenith jacinth]

Void pockets full of em

Careful with void jumping or you're gonna severely regret it for half a second

[solid otter]

More scared of his ability to modify motorbikes, not his ability to stab a mf

Albrecht is just a funny guy

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine if that's what actually got limbo killed

[cerulean kiln]

Has Albrecht ever made anything that isn’t Void related?

[zenith jacinth]

He accidentally jumped into the void pocket instead of the rift

[solid otter]

Making his way down town-

[zenith jacinth]

Uuuuuhhhhhhh his daughter?

[solid otter]

His daughter ig?

GOD DAMMIT SCRAP

[zenith jacinth]

Ow my lungs

The laughing

Ouch

[zenith jacinth]

Too much too suddenly

[undone lodge]

Infestation stuff. Furniture

Uh

Poetry?

[solid otter]

Oh yeah, furniture

[undone lodge]

Oh yeah, clothes

[solid otter]

He sucked at it, but he did make furniture

[undone lodge]

Loads of clothes

[solid otter]

Yeah, probably clothes too

[undone lodge]

Probably a bit of architecture

[zenith jacinth]

A really crappy diving bell

[solid otter]

I think its sweet he writes shitty love poetry

[undone lodge]

A bunch of factory/engineering stuff, assuming Vilcor didn’t help with the lab bps.

Alchemy, maybe Necramites and the general random stuff around the labs

[zenith jacinth]

He turned amir into past tense with a non-void gun

[solid otter]

He did do that

Didnt have the incarnon for smthn
-# lex does have an incarnon yeah?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[solid otter]

I need to give Loid a Zylok incarnon

[zenith jacinth]

Lexcarnon is straight up felarx but one

[undone lodge]

Probably made whatever he put the nestawood in

[solid otter]

Pipe, bong or blunt. I like all 3. A personal favourite is that it was incense, andd Loid just likes eating the root over marinating in smoke

[zenith jacinth]

Oh it's only almost 7pm and my body is telling me to sleep yay.

[solid otter]

Its nearly 5am for me and I have an appointment to travel for

[zenith jacinth]

Does the hammar use any void tech

[solid otter]

Ekhein?

I mean, it doesnt look to do anything void related

[zenith jacinth]

Ye, ekans

[solid otter]

Mf its a German word you should be able to spell it/j

[zenith jacinth]

IT'S NOT

[solid otter]

IT LOOKS GERMAN

HEIN IS A GERMAN SPELLING IS IT NOT

[zenith jacinth]

Hein isn't a word

Heinrich is

[solid otter]

NO THATS NOT

[zenith jacinth]

But hein alone isn't

[solid otter]

THE SPELLING CONVENTION

[zenith jacinth]

Still no

[undone lodge]

Ekhein is greek

[solid otter]

WHAT.

Im. Im tired boss

This is why I hate warframe

[zenith jacinth]

Could be funny and spell it eckhain, which would be a german word

[solid otter]

For my mental health and stability thats what it is now

[zenith jacinth]

...I forgot what hain means

Something like shrine

[solid otter]

Because im so close to just throwing shit at the devs
-# this is a joke

[zenith jacinth]

Corner shrine

[solid otter]

My Albrecht shrine....

[zenith jacinth]

My ayatan collection

[solid otter]

I still find it funny that the wiki still doesn't have [im gatekeeping]

Shall stay in the shrine forever

[undone lodge]

Tbh ekhein was a missed opportunity. All those vials of I assume vitriol or whatever the Lab Liquid is called, but no corrosive damage

[zenith jacinth]

Doesn't have what

[zenith jacinth]

Omg true

[solid otter]

Im keeping it to myself, no

Ehehehehehe

[zenith jacinth]

Ekhein is just kinda lacking in general

[undone lodge]

A secret Albrecht collectable he’s put in his shrine

[solid otter]

Its just funny hammer Loid has

[zenith jacinth]

It has some weird time tech that just makes it go faster after heavy attacking

[zenith jacinth]

I am going to shoot you with my signature 220% cc lex

[solid otter]

Do it, make Albrecht proud and kill a mf w adhd

[fringe pond]

I enjoy looking at the reddit sometimes
Because every once in a while there’s the most crackpot theory you’ve ever seen

[golden flare]

Question! Talking to ||Marie about Tagfer
I’m at the part where she says his words were like a deep knife cut to her. What should I say so she doesn’t get upset at me?

• “And do you know how deeply yours did? Do you know their whole story?”

• “And what you said hurt him just as much.”

• “I’m honestly on your side, but… we need to try to keep the peace”||

[zenith jacinth]

Not 3

[golden flare]

OH! I was this close to accidentally picking 3 XD

Which option is better then? 2?

[zenith jacinth]

Just fyi, sometimes the triad needs to be confronted instead of just agreed to

[golden flare]

True, I confronted Roathe about his fear

[zenith jacinth]

Marie needs to be confronted about being a zealot for a flawed person

[golden flare]

Right, she is obsessed with Entrati. But… I’m a people pleaser 😭😂

[zenith jacinth]

If you never confront her about it it's gonna throw you in a failstate

[golden flare]

OH

👁️👁️

So… option 1..?

[zenith jacinth]

1 or 2 just not 3

[golden flare]

Gotcha, thank you
I wanna try to date her eventually, so hopefully she doesn’t get mad at me for too long 😅

[zenith jacinth]

She'll get upsetti but it's necessary

[golden flare]

Ahh…

[solid otter]

Well its time to grow a backbone and push against her because if you dont, you will fail her

[zenith jacinth]

Ok one point of advice, there's a trap convo where you can confess and if you've been supporting her view she'll call you out

[solid otter]

every day I get reminded by the lack of media literacy some warframe fans have

[zenith jacinth]

Don't be a fool

[solid otter]

And its because of reddit.

Same w doom but its less obvious there

[fringe pond]

To be fair
Warframe players can’t read

[golden flare]

Thank you for informing me!

[solid otter]

And it mucking shows.

Good lord. Had to explain to people that warframe is, now at the very least, very much not about space ninjas

"Warframes are space ninjas" out of the 63, to be 64 warframes that currently exist, how many are ninjas.

Like. Maybe 3? 4?

[zenith jacinth]

1.5

[solid otter]

"Oh but the original warframes-" the majority of them arent either 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Loki, everyone's favorite ninja

[solid otter]

Like. Maybe Excalibur, ash if he was was an original (i forgor)

Yeah Loki

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[solid otter]

And like im 99% sure thats it

[zenith jacinth]

Loki is the .5

[solid otter]

Ember, Rhino, Mag, Volt all arent anywhere close to ninjas

[zenith jacinth]

Rhino is the complete opposite

Where's the rhino x ash fanfics

[undone lodge]

I wouldn’t call Tuesday every one in a while

[undone lodge]

Ash is hiding them

[humble orchid]

Why does ||Drifter not remember anything|| in Duviri? Are they stupid?

[balmy badger]

Being executed every day for what feels like an eternity really drains you mentally and emotionally.

[fringe pond]

I guess that’s a reasonable side effect of being stabbed eternally yeah

[humble orchid]

Skill issue ngl just don't get eternally stabbed

[fringe pond]

I think you should try it out

It’s an eye opening experience

[humble orchid]

I mean considering the drifter is another side of the operator (and after New War they gain void power, could be non-canon), I feel as though they should be pretty powerful

[undone lodge]

Why?

Operator isn’t particularly powerful inherently

[balmy badger]

Not really. Drifter is the version of the Operator that didn't get rescued. Drifter was just a normal person until they got Void powers of their own during New War.

[humble orchid]

Oh shit fr? Man I don't know shit about the lore

[balmy badger]

Drifter literally says they're the version that didn't get rescued during New War when they first speak with the Operator on the Zariman.

[south hamlet]

Like how after Marie got into an argument with Tagfer, and I decided to side with Cavia?

[south hamlet]

They do have better training though, imo.

[undone lodge]

Yea

Which doesn’t effect the Drifter

And it was a response to someone thinking that Drifter should be pretty powerful because of their connection to Operator

[south hamlet]

Fair

I do feel though that the Operator is pretty powerful when they and I quote "Let 'er rip"
but it needs a catalyst.

[pastel pasture]

so if this was still old warframe

do you think perita revolution would have been an operation exclusive gamemode?

ok so guys i need you to hear me out for a second. this may be a controversial lore opinion

so let's say we go to Tau and there we get some caliban lore

that caliban lore says that caliban, during his time in Tau, decided to try to make a garden of xenoblossoms

and now lets say he named this garden after himself, okay? and then an executor found out and banned the garden

would this be a garden of caliban ban?

[thick jolt]

As far as i remember only operation exclusive mode was the scarlet spear stuff

Because most of the time operations were used to launch gamemodes

Recent examples being jades elevator or even oraxia's isleweaver

Hell, survival was originally an operation lol

[pastel pasture]

interesting

[lofty girder]

Gamemodes back then: eliminate enemies and manage your oxygen supply

Gamemodes now: TENNO GO DEFUSE THE BOMBS! DEFEND THE BURGER TOWN! RESCUE THE PRESIDENT! GO GO GO

[thick jolt]

Of course nowadays most new modes come through quests

But even then most operations still leave the gamemode once they are over

[thick jolt]

Yeah then there's ye olde toxin sabotage on earth an whatever those weird antitoxins used to do

Cant remember if de finally took the antitoxins down

[lofty girder]

Only complaint is that operations had unique dialogue. I miss Ordis' beefin Parvos

[thick jolt]

Know what i miss? The old tactical alerts

Never forget the nightmare of manic only survival

Which funnily enough is a possible thing in descendia

[steep totem]

No clue
I still have antitoxin bps, and can therefore build more
But I have no clue if they actually do anything ingame

[earnest cosmos]

What's the chance next or next next update is in Tau? Cause the line "Tau is in sight" basically implies that we're going to the Tau system

[hearty pendant]

Tau 2026 was confirmed at tennocon last year
most likely the end of the year update

[real niche]

We've already known Tau 2026 i- yeah

Just assume it's the end of the year

New War was end of year, Hex was too, so I'd be shocked if it was mid-year

[pastel pasture]

well next update is shadowgrapher so...

[earnest cosmos]

yeah

sounds... otherworldly

[thick jolt]

not like that tho we already know it's on the destroyed venus relay

[golden flare]

OK! So, I’m back with talking to ||Marie, she’s had time to think about Tagfer.
She admits Tagfer has his points, but she wants him to find forgiveness in his heart

What do I say? (Summarized lines)

• “I don’t fault you for appreciating the good he’s done in your life”

• “I don’t know. I think his actions have led to more harm than good.”

• “I’m siding with you, Marie”

• “I think you’re downplaying the seriousness of what the Cavia and Tagfer suffered”

• “Forgiveness is important. But also acknowledging that Entrati might be more complicated than you’re willing to accept”||

I know there’s a route lock that can happen, and I want to date Marie eventually

Have I already messed up this route?