spoiler-chat

[rancid pilot]

I missed that, is that from in game?

[lofty girder]

Tbf, his 1999 outfit would fit from like the 70s to today

[fierce kiln]

there is a frame with 2 albrechts, even wally works there damnnn

[lofty girder]

Translated the sign

[solid otter]

Mhm, its translated text of the sign above the clothing store

[rancid pilot]

I forget those are actual words sometimes and not just filler text

[rancid pilot]

Fr, I would like his fit irl

[solid otter]

Yeah. Albrecht also has sour sweets and chocolate on his desk - along with Pizza crusts (that we believe are from a vegetarian pizza)

[rancid pilot]

Oh albrecht is a vegetarian?

[solid otter]

No clue if he is

Just that he likes veggie pizzas. With... olives

[floral hawk]

I think he's just pretentious like that

Strange and pretentious

[solid otter]

Albrecht isnt really pretentious I feel

[rancid pilot]

Shame, I always liked to imagine he had hawaiian pizza

[solid otter]

Roathe is pretentious, Albrecht kinda isn't

[floral hawk]

i trust your judgement, i'm very behind on in-depths

[solid otter]

"attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed."

Albrecht doesn't do anything much to impress, and what he does do is arguably really important. Also he has like. No self worth

He might try and impress loid but even then, if feel as if he wouldn't do it in that way

[lofty girder]

Current theory is that he has phobia of flesh, ever since his trip to the void basically flayed him alive

[solid otter]

I like that idea

[floral hawk]

interesting!

[solid otter]

I get weird over bones as a sensory thing, so I can see him being weird over meat

[solid otter]

We also think Albrecht is mad autistic

[rancid pilot]

If it turns out to be true, he must have hated working with the gray strain and all the parts of the Vessels

[lofty girder]

Not to mention maybe a texture thing, Loid probably put him on some sort of specialized diet while he was recovering

[solid otter]

Like, turns out, apparently his speaking patterns is something dax did? Iirc, so he's doing tonal mimickry, which is a very autistic thing to do, especially as a grown adult

[floral hawk]

oot: would the Zariman food cubes be sensory hell or actually pretty safe since they're consistent?

[solid otter]

Eujhh

I think. It depends on the cube type i feel

[lofty girder]

Meat and tofu should be fine

But god knows about the rest

[solid otter]

Isnt there a fat based one?

Id. Id rather die than put that to my teeth

[floral hawk]

a raw pure fat one would be hellish, but i assume the zariman has stoves and you can rend/crisp it up

[solid otter]

Sorry

[lofty girder]

That can't be literally eaten, it must be like, lard or butter

[solid otter]

I am. Unable to think about it

Gagging 💔

[floral hawk]

ur good

[brittle tangle]

IMO they sound nice, or at least nicer than having the same stuff inside another thing

[lofty girder]

There's frying pans you can buy from hombask, and during the drifter operator convo, the drifter is cooking

[solid otter]

They are like

Spam, theyre like spam

[floral hawk]

square butter on square toast. if the orokin had invented minecraft it would've been a hit up in the 10-0

[solid otter]

Its spam

The meat cube is spam

[lofty girder]

Also, you're supposed to eat them with chopsticks

They're solid enough to grasp with chopsticks

[solid otter]

Dawg I ate sorbet with chopsticks

[floral hawk]

when the protein and fat cubes come out sizzlin

[brittle tangle]

Sizzling fat cubes...

[solid otter]

Like i could see it being good

[lofty girder]

Cube meat is a real thing

I had it for new years barbecue

[solid otter]

Yeah

[lofty girder]

But the rest... Guh

[solid otter]

Same w cubed cheese

[floral hawk]

there was this company that makes cubed meat/rice which is as bad as you think it is

[solid otter]

I use it for. Fishing

[rain otter]

Well their cubes weren't "cubes" more squares that where purrayed. Cubbed meat and rice is fine. If you actually didn't mash it together lmao.

[floral hawk]

I checked online and apparently the startup is shut down now lol. But they had, well, mashed-together stuff.

[rain otter]

Yes I know.

I've seen many videos about them.

[floral hawk]

misread! my bad
but yes, startup died, how will the Zariman crew eat now :(

[grave nebula]

I messed up talking to Roathe after I stopped doing Descendia

Am I supposed to just keep going after he tells me not to?

[pale violet]

Keep going but prepare to like argue or calm him down

You're suppose to do the boss fight 21 times

[grave nebula]

OK thx :)

[clear sparrow]

Interestingly, it looks like you only have to do all 21 runs once. When I got softlocked out due to bugs and had to reset the timeline, it remembered as far as KIM interactions that I did get to all the memories.

I mean, I'm still going to keep doing Descendia because, loot, but I didn't need to speed run the memories to get the ending.

[wary swift]

Yeah I got the 21 achievement my last VM being oblivion and the scene but my last two conversations came after “ You fool what have you done?! Why, why go and delve into caverns where you are not welcome” and “Here we are and here we shall remain in this purgatory i hope you enjoy it here as i do not think we shall ever go a step farther” mind you I had Lyon help once but not a second time nor Marie so I’m stuck on “I’ve done something to either upset Roathe, or I’ve run out of opportunities to move forward with him” “unfortunately there’s only one way forward for me now” now I got Anathema again…

Yeah this sadly did not happen still. I did elaborate more just now in another msg and I’m just saddened if I have to do the 21 fights again and such including the reset and I refuse to reset

[visual jasper]

Hey, I didn't get the Loid cutscene as well
I got them all to agree and Loid's convo did trigger, but not the cutscene
After that I jumped into the nekralist, talked to Loid and the triad and got back to backrooms, but nothing
been 3 days or so and I seemingly completed all the triad's convos, but still no cutscene
should I wait for it to be fixed or ask for a reset? Not sure if I'd get it after the fix
also, does anyone know if it counts as completed even without triggering the cutscene?

[solid otter]

Do you have r5 family?

Mm nvm

[wary swift]

Sadly I feel like being close rank and once having the romance description of how I could despite dating Marie that I’m probably forced to reset or ask for one. I feel like since launch I’ve just gotten my Roathe stuff bugged out.

[forest kernel]

I noticed I've done all 21, gotten the honoria but I don't have all the voice messages? really don't wanna reset but I really can't tell if my chat is bugged since it's moving forward like normal.
But also got the opportunity to confess while only Trusted and still stuck and Trusted?

[wary swift]

If you makes you feel better what I said above happened and I got those two conversations after VM oblivion and I’m close and stuck at anathema

Never had this issue once with 1999 and my ocd hates this lol

[zenith jacinth]

Why is mr. bob house playing warframe

[forest kernel]

oh man I feel you, when the other two got Close and not Roathe that got me cause it was all in sync before then

[wary swift]

It’s Robert House to you Tenno!!! Lol.

[zenith jacinth]

I'm not a tenno

[wary swift]

Yeah I feel like the order of conversations just messed up, had him during one of them thanking me how I wouldn’t delve deeper but I never said I’d stop lol. Though close went to neutral then back to close (I guess it was UI bug) still frustrating.

[wary swift]

A cephalon?

[zenith jacinth]

Bobert house... roberto... rob... rob house? Rob mr. house!

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[forest kernel]

do you have all chats enabled? I'm wondering if that's what it is for me, cause I've never thought to turn it off for any reason so I wonder if that'll work

[wary swift]

Before I did have all Kim conversations off with my issue but today I put it on to see if it’ll work. So I’m gonna try to do the 21 fights again to trouble shoot 🥲

[wary swift]

This is desecration to who I am D:

[zenith jacinth]

The idea of mr house using emoticons is very funny

[wary swift]

I think there was malware in my chip.

[forest kernel]

I'm gonna try turning mine off to see if it fixes it, here's to hopefully both of us fixing our issue 🤝

[wary swift]

Hopefully! if not I put in a ticket with my descriptive problem and if I have to reset to where it doesn’t make Roathe know and the others feel the Deja vu if it then I guess that’s where I’ll go 😅but yeah hope yours ends up working!

[dire slate]

So, something bothered me when I was getting the Zenurik weapon, Lyon saying something along the lines of "the Tenno you were cast out of ..." with regards to Rell. I'm assuming they're just talking about the Tenno in general, right, not you specifically?

[thick jolt]

Yeah you cant really be cast out of an individual

[cerulean kiln]

Arthur cast us out when we tried getting into him

As did Umbra

[thick jolt]

Not in that meaning tho

Unless you are gonna suggest rell was possessing us

[balmy storm]

dsiege theory

[thick jolt]

Hek no

Dont feed the monster

[balmy storm]

Lmao

[cerulean kiln]

I am still traumatised after reading his argument for the lore not mattering

[thick jolt]

Lol

[lime ledge]

according to Kimulacrum, telling Marie Roathe would be proud is the only one giving chemistry?

[civic ore]

shrugs I guess telling a nun the devil would be proud of what she does works? it works

[real niche]

Really the chem part of it doesn't matter, just that you told her off without calling her naive.

[lime ledge]

i mean i treat it more as a fun fact ig? just thought it's pretty weird

[solid otter]

I think folk misunderstand that chemistry does not always equate to something positive, especially in arguments

[clear sparrow]

I went with "And where in your scripture does it say innocents being hurt is okay?"

[lime ledge]

oh rly?

[solid otter]

It is positive eventually, but especially with the triad, it doesnt necessarily mean you'll get the good ending. You can get a lot of chemistry w marie and still fail her romance iirc

[zenith jacinth]

yeah chemistry is really only important for the hex

[lime ledge]

ohhh okay that makes sense

[pastel pasture]

there are 2 good options and 1 bad one.

Marie hates being treated like a child. She'd rather you call her an idiot then say she doesn't understand

[copper scroll]

does anyone know what the dating deal with roath is?

[astral gazelle]

not sure if this is a spoiler or not but like, what is the sanctuary from the last devstream?

or was it something they weren't meant to show

[real niche]

It's just Sanctuary Onslaught

It's a devtool

[astral gazelle]

ah ok

i don't remember seeing it from any other time they showed the star chart so i was confused

thank you

[upper crater]

A gift for the community

[fringe pond]

This is fire-
If you made this, post it in fanart or something

[subtle bolt]

how do i do this

[thick jolt]

the stunning? think you void dash through them

[steel phoenix]

Can you do second dream as jade and does stalker stab her

[balmy storm]

Yes and yes

[thick jolt]

void help us if DE tried to mess with such an old part of the code

game would become self aware and cause the end of the world

[subtle bolt]

did not work or i did it wrong

ah i need to be fast

[steep totem]

Lol
Someone should run Second Dream as Jade and show Dart the stabbing pics

[charred escarp]

So... how do you get more "date scenes" after you get the first? I wanted to ask here because I imagine it counts as something "spoiler"y?

I really wanna hear more lyon dialogue

[upper crater]

they've just been showing up in the inbox. idk if there's a trigger for it. but its given me 4 so far

[charred escarp]

oh shoot alright! I thought you had to get them yourself. Thank you!!!

[solid fern]

Simple question

Roathe stuck at Anathema, I completed 21 runs and received all messages. Only thing I fail is get a redeemed or villain status and he ask for a reset. Since the reset button is on cooldown, is this a bug or an intended feature?

DE has been shadowing and hiding all these information I cannot get a proper answer

[forest aspen]

i was bored and looked at my Kalymos skin for a few minutes before doing this lmao

[solid fern]

Never mind then, it seems no one actually knows is it a bug or not

[obtuse gyro]

did you reset recently?

[solid fern]

After 41.0.7

[obtuse gyro]

was it in the past 28 days

[solid fern]

The patch they said they fixed those Kim bugs

[obtuse gyro]

so you reset within the past month, and are surprised that your reset button is on cooldown

[solid fern]

That isn’t what I am asking

What I ask is, if I failed to villain or redeem Roathe, is it intended for him to stuck in Anathema and I need to use that button to reset

[obtuse gyro]

have lyon or marie talked to you regarding roathe yet

[solid fern]

Forgot

[obtuse gyro]

right

[solid fern]

Maybe yes maybe no

[obtuse gyro]

check on that first

[solid fern]

They have their own progress anyway

So are you saying it is intended he stuck in Anathema

[obtuse gyro]

depends on if every other repair method is exhausted

hell, if you just failed roathe today

marie or lyon wont be triggered to send their repair chats yet

[solid fern]

Don’t know

If I do recall there was a few days?

Not in the mood of playing Warframe since it is so buggy and boring currently

[obtuse gyro]

lmao

[slate lynx]

question people somewhere else keep telling me to definitely do the duviri paradox BEFORE the new war but google says i definitely need to do it AFTER what makes the STORY make the most sense? before or after new war?

[brittle tangle]

It's complicated, basically. Late Duviri makes the lore & sequence of events make more sense, early Duviri is a more compelling introduction to the Drifter as a character.

[valid folio]

I use Sun and Moon for my wisp because I feel like it's more in character now her proto is religious, I think it works but idk???

[hearty pendant]

Duviri is the backstory to a character introduced in the new war
imo, after is best. it allows their intended introduction with elaboration later. if you want to know about them beforehand, do duviri before
as long as duviri and new war are next to each other when you do them, it doesn't cause that big of an issue

[valid folio]

Yeah either do duviri just before new war or after new war because it's more relevant and tbf, it's best done after the second dream though because that's when you start actually learning about things that would technically be spoiled by duviri's playstyle??

Tbh, preferably I'd do it before New War, but just before New War, right as you get the new war quest, jump on duviri then after that complete New War

[slate lynx]

i already did second dream and the war within i was told that duviri had spoilers for those so i did those before but thanks

[valid folio]

Sweet

[hearty pendant]

if there was a way to do Duviri Paradox between act 1 and 2 of New War, that'd be its "proper" place

[valid folio]

I suppose yeah but I still feel like doing it before New War starts as is would be the best pacing still

I rushed the quests tbh, there will be quests that require duviri so you can't do it at the very late end anyway, but knowing pace I would've done it before I started New War

[slate lynx]

i keep being warned by google that duviri has spoilers for new war if i do duviri before? would it be a ''make or break'' if i saw those spoilers? because from what i heard doing duviri after new war minimizes spoilers

[hearty pendant]

it will directly "spoil" two characters and make references to a few events in New War that don't make as much sense if you're viewing them before

[slate lynx]

i came for an answer and left with a headache gotta go

[valid folio]

Sorry 😭

[hearty pendant]

yea that's.
that's duviri for ya

[valid folio]

Duviri and New War are headaches

[open grove]

agreed

[valid folio]

@hearty pendant what characters does duviri 'spoil' again? Please censor it though, I genuinely don't remember it 😅

[hearty pendant]

||drifter (obv) and teshin||

[valid folio]

|| Teshin is earlyyyyy bro ||

[slate lynx]

ok i don't care anymore before it is someone said the spoilers are so minor and so out of context anyway so if i even catch the spoilers in duviri two people said before so before new war it is

[hearty pendant]

||but him not being in the origin system and being Old isn't||

[valid folio]

Ah OK, tbh I didn't really catch the prevalence of their addition there tbh, the nature of that character was always confusing to me anyway 😭

[valid folio]

Alright, sorry for the headache 🥲

[slate lynx]

apology accepted have a nice day

[tight pagoda]

3 & 4 actually

I think Act 1 ends with you having to log in again, so Act 2 introduces the mysterious Drifter

[tame canopy]

I finally got to the hard convo with marie re: albrecht

So how did y'all answered?

[tight pagoda]

The same way

[tame canopy]

for me, the moment I saw this, this is when I felt I had to get harsh on marie

[tight pagoda]

It gets the point across the best

[tame canopy]

🚬 I have to put my foot down on The Cavia's treatment here

[tame canopy]

same idea for me, I knew the comparison would be the most hard hitting since she'd never hide how much she detested roathe

[solid otter]

She also calls the family and loid vipers, blaming them for why Albrecht hasnt returned

That argument made me want to punch her lowkey

[tame canopy]

oh yeah, upon rereading, I did missed that, and boy, sometimes it remind me of how the hex can get their own assholish moments too, and we don't get to address those moments as equals - we have to basically be zen and play therapist, as roathe puts it

I like that with this convo, we can actually be hard on her when she's in the wrong\

Although im still peeved with the "god" comparison, that rubs me wrong and reminds me of roathe's convo on wally's nature, where we only get two extremes between essentially calling it a god, or basically nothing but CE

can I get an "agnostic" opinion next update?

[solid otter]

I... think there is an option?

[tame canopy]

Roathe's hypothesis in that convo, was that essentially Wally is entirely albrecht's CE and he fuels its power with his fear, creating a feedback loop

My thought on wally during the convo is that wally's an pre-existing entity in the void, who was given form by albrecht and likely empowered by CE, not created by it

Like I reviewed the old convo, i picked the one that sounded like it's not conceding to the god framing, but turns out it is lol (for roathe)

[solid otter]

It depends on a previous convo, and i think theres something flagging when it shouldn't and treats you as if you said something about being religious - giving the religious option in that argument with her

-# I think thats what you're talking about

[tame canopy]

Hmmm religious, I remember a convo with marie asking about this

[solid otter]

I fully think it was nothing until Albrecht came into it - he wanted something to be there, so it is

Just. The wrong (?) Thing

[tame canopy]

I mean, he wanted an outcome, no doubt, but Im not sure if he wanted an... entity that can communicate with him as an outcome, wasn't his void experiments intended for a means of space travel and/or finding means to harness the void as an energy source?

[solid otter]

Conceptual embodiment isnt something that's controllable, just it can be suggested

Ie duviri

[solid otter]

Which guess what wally does?

[hearty pendant]

he broke in wanting something
wanted his work to not be nothing like so many had deemed it
and the void obliged

[solid otter]

He got the fingers, which does exactly that

[tame canopy]

hmm, I recall incarnons was basically Cavallero thinking really hard about making weapons stronger so idk if the process has to be completely chaotic

and that guy's a CE making a CE which is wild

[hearty pendant]

the suggestion was "make these into actual weapons"
but he didn't get control over what happened to them

[solid otter]

Its not entirely chaotic, it can be suggested, but theres no real control to it

[tame canopy]

I thought the fingers were cut off of wally when albrecht's daughter closed the portal and it cuts off the fingers, was that really the intended outcome? I'd imagine he'll be harnessing the full entity itself for energy if wally was the answer borne from albrecht's desires

[solid otter]

Its the nature of wally himself, im sure any fragment of Wally's whole body could perform the same

I just find it really, really suspicious that Albrecht managed to get exactly what he needed from the void, for it to be something that preexisted

[tight pagoda]

Wally wasn't really Albrecht's desires but more his fear

[tame canopy]

hmm
Thinking out loud, if I follow this line of theory that wally was wholly conjured and empowered by albrecht, maybe one of the factors deciding that wally became is because of how the orokins treat their citizenry
Everyone's fundamentally extracted for their values, labor or otherwise

[solid otter]

It was both, he entered the void wanting something, (this could trigger the initial CE) and it being further developed from the following feelings, i feel

[tight pagoda]

Not sure CE really cares about desire or intent, from my knowledge it's mostly just strong emotions, but it definitely makes sense

Especially considering Parvos' emphasis on desire, and the implications in his tenet logs that Wally manipulated him

[tame canopy]

CE def cares about desire to a degree, cavallero and incarnon is an example but the outcome isn't wholly in control of the person thinking

[solid otter]

It is suggestible enough to create something like duviri, if drifter wanted a safe space and that was the only thing that mattered, there would just be a safe space, not duviri

They weren't even thinking of Duviri as that safe space, theyre just recalling it as a way to cope iirc

[tame canopy]

It's like, the fabric of the orokins and their functions is so inexorably tied with exploiting humans, it influenced albrecht's subconscious in how "outcome" for the energy source was manifested

[solid otter]

Safe space but unintentionally

[tame canopy]

spitballing tbh so dont quote me on that 🚬

[solid otter]

Noooo the orokin empire couldn't be built on slave labour and the orokin who is benefiting from it isnt totally bad for benefiting from slavery willingly, noooooo/s

[tight pagoda]

There's also some stuff that suggests Wally wasn't entirely created by Albrecht but rather it existed and was given shape by the initial encounter

[solid otter]

I don't think it's that tbh

[tight pagoda]

Yeah imo it's too close to the idea of aliens

While everything else in Warframe is a result of humans

[solid otter]

We have Palladino talking about how wally is as old as the stars, but we gotta remember she is a spiritual kinda crazy lady

[tame canopy]

True, DE likes their unreliable narrator and info

(like many stories do lol)

[solid otter]

Roathe didn't even come to that conclusion himself imo

[tight pagoda]

Even an "eldritch abomination" being a a byproduct of humans biting off more than they can chew, to me, is more interesting

[tame canopy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism
another branching thought on the "wally exists before" nugget I have is that this idea is being applied and "wally" was basically just some sort of... non-self mind that has no persona or qualia to speak of until albrecht formed it into a being. Riffing on the void being responsive to strong emotions

It doesn't mean "wally" the named entity exist, it's more like "the mind-blocks in the void got hit with the fibonacci special"

[solid otter]

No orokin should be aware of wally, or believe he's real (Albrecht was dismissed as a man driven insane by the void), Albrecht never mentioned wally to people, likely because he worked under the belief wally was shared via the mind and memory (wonder if thats what the dark refractory could be for?)

So we can conclude that Roathe read the reports on the computer, which iirc blames Albrecht for Wally's whole existence

[tame canopy]

oh yeah now that cracks me up
the idea that the reports are all there, and whenever the triad uses the pc, they can all just, read it

[solid otter]

I imagine Loid immediately got onto that computer and scrubbed it clean

[tame canopy]

The only one he'd be concerned with on opsec is roathe since he's born in the origin systems so that's a vaild reaction (the other two wouldn't know anything about PCs without instructions)

[solid otter]

There is presumably backups of any sensitive code, but i imagine Loid wouldnt want Roathe snooping through anything

[tame canopy]

yeah, roathe is basically a super engineering genius per his kim logs so he'd be picking anything and everything he can glean as soon as he gets his hand on an electronic device lol

[solid otter]

I also imagine Albrecht has a few digital backups to his ah. "Tortured love poetry" on there. So, for Loid's dignity, id assume be would store that away elsewhere

[tame canopy]

The only thing that'll be there is probably whatever we have access to ingame

Like the... debriefings, I think the term is called for them?

the reports of the game's events

[solid otter]

Yeah, I think theyre also called the operator reports?

[tame canopy]

I still find it darkly funny that once again, ballas has completely screwed up the origin systems via copious use of void portals

👁️

The log related to narmer said murmur/indifference activities spiked after ballas opened void portals for his trip to tau so like, there's high chance of murmur invasions off screen beside sanctum lol

[solid otter]

Yeah, thats probably referring to duviri

Wally had been pestering duviri for a while

[tame canopy]

He opened a portal solely to kick the operator and lotus right inside to trap us

[solid otter]

And given the. What's the word? Non.... not non-euclidean.

Not that what is it

The unique temporal nature of the void and duviri, it kinda exists outside time, so we can assume that something that even if something happens later on, it could've already happened in duviri, i feel? I think?

[tame canopy]

This feels like something prophetic perfect tense is used for lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophetic_perfect_tense

The prophetic perfect tense is a literary technique used in the Bible[1] that describes future events that are so certain to happen that they are referred to in the past tense as if they had already happened.[2]

[solid otter]

Nodding nodding. Interesting concept actually

I may dislike most Christians (they are insufferable), but the ideas they have are interesting as hell

[tame canopy]

Funnily enough I am in convo with lyon rn and he remarked again, on how time is tangled for him and how he is connected with rell and the wf harrow

he remarked on wally being was, and also was not, already free

Genuinely what does he mean by this?

[solid otter]

Protoframes are connected to their frames, rell, being so influential onto his warframe harrow, permanently imprinted himself onto them, this includes Lyon

[tame canopy]

This convo is also when lyon divulged his crisis of faith, so to speak, to me

[solid otter]

And this does some weird temporal shit

Messed Lyon's memories up, gaslit him into thinking wally was always in his life. Even when he wasn't

[tame canopy]

holdup, what do you mean by gaslighting him?

[agile haven]

he's receiving memories of the future, in past tense

[solid otter]

Wally is connected to Rell, and Rell is now connected to Lyon. Lyon has always had his hallucinations, but now he feels like it was Wally doing them, not a schizotypal disorder that he likely has

Because he can "feel" wally then, which isnt true

Memories have been changed, much like us as the operator

Wally relies on it to alienate folk (seen with Rulsalka)

[tame canopy]

Ok, so what did albrecht meant by saying it's the result of indifference? he's lying? technically saying the truth by the time hes there?

[solid otter]

This is Albrecht agreeing with what Lyon thinks, probably because of some assumption that he has let in wally again

Sees person having hallucinations similar to how wally manifests for him
oh dude no thats probably wally

[tame canopy]

when I saw you said gaslit, I thought albrecht legit gaslit lyon into thinking his hallucinations were wally's doing 💀 since lyon said it was claimed the hallucinations he saw his entire life is from indifference

wait maybe that's still kind of true to call it gaslighting

[solid otter]

Nah, this time it was probably a genuine mistake or a wrongful assumption, still accidentally gaslit him though

[solid otter]

"Oh you saw a woman get blinded in a hallucination, and that woman turned up with her eyes blown out?"

Meanwhile, Albrecht is probably panicking over the idea of wally permeating so early in history

He was blind to the idea it was coincidence

Which is understandable, he does need to function under the idea that everything is wally, lest he slips up the one time it is him

[tame canopy]

tbh, it's... for better or worse, of all of albrecht's problems, being hyper viligant is probably the more understandable attitude

Wally's unknownable to him as it is

[solid otter]

Mm. Hypervigilance. I wonder what thats a symptom of

-# theres a weird insistence that Albrecht doesnt have some form of trauma - or ptsd, for some reason???

[tame canopy]

albrecht, no trauma?

Even the physical trauma alone, from when the experiement botched, would leave a mark on one's psyche, let along everything else that came after

I know kuva and continuity exists but like, dude was fearing for his life in the experiment, and swore off of continuity afterward from all the complications later on, that does not look like a man whose psyche remained whole lmao

[solid otter]

Hm. I wonder how many of this cluster of ptsd symptoms Albrecht meets. Hmmm. I wonder.

[solid otter]

Fractured like his seriglass bell, or whatever

Wait. I think thats supposed to be for mother and her seriglass shard

[tame canopy]

Insert poetic line about suffering

[tame canopy]

I did rank 5 necralisk and apparently mother was really attacted to the shard, cuz its one of the only things, if not the only thing she got, that she has regarding albrecht himself

[solid otter]

"Tis better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."

Loid mentioning that hurts sometimes

[solid otter]

YEA. She held onto it, stabbed her husband with it

She mightve forgotten writing duviri, because thats also something from her father, the stories and characters are based on stories and characters Albrecht presumably made up for Euleria's bedtime stories

[tame canopy]

grandmother said the family can never let anything go when you trade for goodies with her...

they must be hoarding all sort of objects, no matter what, as an attempt to retain whatever recollections they have of their lives...
relatable

We're helping them with the Marie Kondo Method :>

Then it's our turn to choose how we use the knick-knacks, whether for ticking content island checkboxes or for legit decorations or for crafting

I've reached that point with the quills, I'm basically checking in to clear shop

once I buy up the furnitures I'll start buying the arcanes just for completionist sake

[solid otter]

YES

I agree with this

[tame canopy]

also for Marie Kondo method it's basically a decluttering approach that encourages individuals to keep only those items that "spark joy." Im no expert on this fyi so that's all I know but Im reminded of it cuz the entrati family feels like the type who's hoarding all the stuff with both good and bad memories in hopes of gripping any semblance of memories they still have

Clearly, when we buy their loot, we're helping me undergo Bleachbit™ irl

My take on the canonical effects of upgrading standing for entrati family is that the more we help them reconcile, the more comfortable they are with interacting with, and more importantly, letting go of certain objects they have, for better uses to the tenno

on a random note, it still cracks me up that father is out here selling the bp and items for Keratinos, the claws im 99 percent sure is what daughter used to stab father with lol

[solid otter]

And this is a common result of therapy, as one with that exact issue myself, you let go of those objects eventually and you move on

[solid otter]

Tbf he did make it for her iirc

[lofty girder]

Mfr got flayed like an aztec god

[solid otter]

I hate when people try to act like he is just evil and the behaviour he has isnt some traumatic response

"He was distant with loid!!!" Brother

[thin fiber]

Is there any lore on what the Uriel frame did to get locked up?

[solid otter]

Didnt it attack sentients? Or am I remembering wrongly?

[tight pagoda]

The Uriels were part of Roathe's army, who served under him and under Nitokh, who were trying to start the Old War again

So yeah likely crimes against the Sentients

[thin fiber]

Huh.. i see. They were still made by ballas or was roathe and nitokh their creator?

[cerulean kiln]

If they haven’t got a stated creator it is usually Ballas

[thin fiber]

Surprised Ballas didnt order the warframe into some [insert flavor swear here] up punishment instead of letting aldis and his ppl just lock it up

[pastel pasture]

if the peace treaty went through and sentients and orokin were at peace

do you think they'd call the warframes peaceframes

[rancid pilot]

No, they'd be called Peacecanvas
Probably not, but I could the existing warframes and tenno be turned into a police/peace keeping force.

[thin fiber]

When the peaceframes knock at your door

[undone lodge]

Securiframes

[pastel pasture]

so follie is neat and all but i want more loreframes

like give us a warframe that's grineer releated or something

we have the closest thing we're going to get to a corpusframe

gimme a like. grineerframe...idk

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah, slight issue with that

Grineer can’t create Warframes

[pastel pasture]

:/

do...do you think Protea was made by the corpus?

[cerulean kiln]

It was made by Ballas with Parvos creating the design

[pastel pasture]

ok so we understand that the corpusframe was not made by the corpus

[cerulean kiln]

Parvos couldn’t bring it to life so went to the man who could

[pastel pasture]

so why would you think the grineerframe would have to be made by teh grineer

[cerulean kiln]

Nothing says Grineer can handle becoming a frame considering the fact they’re clones

[pastel pasture]

i didn't say it was a warframed grineer either

[cerulean kiln]

Only Orokin and people working with Orokin can create frames

[pastel pasture]

I siad i want a grineer warframe like we have a corpus warframe

[cerulean kiln]

That would just be an Orokin Warframe

[pastel pasture]

ok let me make this clearer for you

[cerulean kiln]

Which we have had a million times

[pastel pasture]

i want a warframe that has lore involving the grineer

[cerulean kiln]

That’s happened already

[pastel pasture]

anyway thanks for being a buzz kill

[cerulean kiln]

Old Peace has this

[pastel pasture]

...are...are you seriously trying to say the vanguard warframes are grineer lore?

that's really really funny

anyway i'll ping you next time I need someone to make a Primed stretch when I want to talk about lore

[cerulean kiln]

The lore is The Vanguard were kidnapped by the Anarchs which include Grineer and Dax and brought in to fight us so yes it is Grineer Warframe lore

[solid otter]

That is something nemesis is good at

[cerulean kiln]

Getting anything else closer than the Old Peace lore in that regard is impossible because no Grineer asked for a frame or had anyone able to make them a frame plus the fact they rebelled

Parvos actively asked for a frame and was enough of a problem to get it

[pastel pasture]

and a corpus frame was impossible because no corpus asked for one until we got Protea lore

lack of lore is not proof there is no lore

[zenith jacinth]

No grineer has enough influence to get a frame

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[pastel pasture]

not even saying a grineer ordered frame. there was just a long tangent trying to explain the concept of a loreframe to nemesis.

Could be a frame who's job it was to overseer the grineer

or maybe a frame who was damaged, found by the grineer, and healed in secret as a sort of rebel frame

[zenith jacinth]

1. That could just be any frame
2. Forced loyalty

"I wanna reb-"gets turned into swiss cheese

Ophidian is snake right..? How does a snake waltz...

[pastel pasture]

all im saying

I want a warframe who's lore involves the grineer

and no nemesis. a warframe being stolen by a faction that has some grineer in it does not count

[opaque dove]

Ophidian waltz?

[brittle tangle]

Something about the Grineer Queens futzing with a Warframe they recovered & attempted to repurpose to their own ends could be fun to see, kind of a development on the bit of the Queens (or, well, just the one now) searching for new bodies. Garuda released w/ the Kuva Lich update, but she's not actually all that connected.

[brittle tangle]

: )

[zenith jacinth]

A frame that has some visual and/or mechanical similarity to grineer like protea visually does to corpus would be neat ngl

Graxx skins aren't enough

[opaque dove]

We have Corpus and Infested representative frames, we need a Grineer one

[brittle tangle]

Yeaaaa

[zenith jacinth]

I also want a sorta frame-ified gorgon equivalent that's actually good

I love the idea of a large mag rifle that spins up to max fire rate but gorgon is so weak

[opaque dove]

One question stands, how the hell would the Grineer get the resources to make a frame

[thick jolt]

Tenora or quellor?

[zenith jacinth]

also gimme a revolver with slow aim shooting and quick hip-fire

[zenith jacinth]

Not quite the same since both have a static fire rate

[opaque dove]

Gorgon is an Auto-spool

Like the Kohm and Gratler

[zenith jacinth]

A full loadout of spooling weapons

[thick jolt]

Could've sworn tenora was spool up

[opaque dove]

Kohm, Kohmak and Gratler boom

[cerulean kiln]

I never called it a perfect example I called it the closest to an example we have

It’s literally all we have in regards to it

[zenith jacinth]

Kohm kohmak just feels like cheating

[pastel pasture]

when are we gonna get an orokin representitive frame. smh my head

Bring Ballas back as a warframe. Ballframe....oh no wait that's gyre and grendel

[opaque dove]

That’s basically just every frame

[pastel pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-joke-gif-3708727

[opaque dove]

To the shadow realm

[cerulean kiln]

Hildryn

[balmy storm]

The deep void is right there

[opaque dove]

The undercroft

[cerulean kiln]

The even deeper Void

[balmy storm]

Railjack orphix

[opaque dove]

How about the rift plane

[pastel pasture]

what if when we get to Tau. Adidas pops out and announces the whole thing was a prank. The old war, the betrayal, even the man in the wall was just an actor

[balmy storm]

“I sentence you to do math”

[opaque dove]

Very complex math

[balmy storm]

How to kill your game:

[opaque dove]

Adidas?

Really?

[pastel pasture]

yes the shoe company

[cerulean kiln]

Adidas in Warframe now confirmed?

[opaque dove]

I mean we got Gordon freeman in there

[balmy storm]

Megan kept writing that instead of Adis cause of autocorrect iirc

[cerulean kiln]

Time to send the Infestation to their HQ

[pastel pasture]

what if we get to Tau and realize that we are not a void-corrupt human piloting a warframe

[opaque dove]

I Wonder what a feral Nidus would look like

[pastel pasture]

but a warframe piloting a void-corrupt child piloting a warframe

[opaque dove]

You smell toast?

[pastel pasture]

i smell pizza but that's just bcause there's a pizza near me

[balmy storm]

What if I revived Ballas just to shoot him in the head

[pastel pasture]

good plan

[cerulean kiln]

That’s too kind

[balmy storm]

The moment he’s cognizant BAM

[opaque dove]

Give him the Dr Strange Dormamu treatment

[balmy storm]

Duviri but shorter

[cerulean kiln]

Why not revive Ballas kill him restart his heart and kill him again?

[opaque dove]

Give lodun something to do.

[zenith jacinth]

Too quick

[balmy storm]

Lock him in a time loop, but he doesn’t get enough time to do anything to get out

[zenith jacinth]

Shoot a vital vein that'll slowly bleed him out

[opaque dove]

Electrocutioner from Arkham origins be like

[fierce kiln]

his ball & ass

shoot him in his ayatans

[brave echo]

https://fixvx.com/juniorkingpp/status/2016205635105304947?s=20 >Warframes when you take away all the armor and cool shiny bits

໊໊ (@juniorkingpp)

can we make robots that look like wall-e and not this demonic shit

QRT: ReddCinema
Protoclone is the most anatomically accurate android in the world.

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jan 27, 2026, 5:44 PM

[balmy storm]

Oh good more of my favorite dystopia being real

[brave echo]

Actually that would be a sick idea for a warframe. The "Skinless one", something like a mix of Xaku and Nidus in terms of design and lore

[cerulean kiln]

Wally Infested himself, damn

[pastel pasture]

is there any reason to kiss your triad LI

or is the weekly cooldown just because DE felt like being weird

[pliant saffron]

Make it a stealth frame and call it flay

[zenith jacinth]

Why stealth

[fringe pond]

Spooky

[pliant saffron]

Where the skins of foes

[zenith jacinth]

Well, probably attached to them
Where, were, wear

[balmy storm]

[pliant saffron]

Wear* :p

[balmy storm]

This is why grammar is important

[deft mist]

Night lord warframe

[pliant saffron]

Use the grammar flub, make a flesh cronenberg monster

[zenith jacinth]

Also, another thing, base valkyr is literally a skinned frame

[copper isle]

Hello! So, I have some questions about the story. So, how The Heart Of Deimos gets connected into the main story? Because before that, there was the NATAH mission line, and it made me confused. Since ive done the War Within, and the NATAH, line made sense, but the Heart Of Deimos isnt really.

Since then, there was no mention about the infested line.

[zenith jacinth]

Heart of deimos is its own thing

And also happens before natah

[hearty pendant]

heart of deimos is mostly disconnected for a while but becomes more prominent/important during and after the new war

[copper isle]

Oh, Okay. Thank you! im really close to the new war.

[hearty pendant]

has an early introduction because the syndicates there are meant to be progressed over time n have their own stuff attached post-quest

[copper isle]

Ohhhh

[deft mist]

Oh really

[zenith jacinth]

Yea, the gersemi skin is pre-alad valkyr

Fun detail in the valkyr prime trailer, her name is never said, very likely to hint at her og name not being valkyr

[obtuse gyro]

and yet we have valkyr prime

[pastel pasture]

hypothetically if DE were to make an accessible primed version of excalibur how would it be done.

Because obviously Excalibur prime is out

Excalibur umbra prime is also out because that was the Chinesse founder's frame

do tenno/orokin weapons have a modifier beyond prime?

like vandal/wraith

[fringe pond]

Vandals and wraith ARE tenno weapons

[civic ore]

Whew, LoidFamilyReunionSuccess is complete.....

[fringe pond]

They’re collections of Tenno/Corpus and Tenno/Grineer weapons, respectively

[pastel pasture]

i thought vandal was corpus wraith was grineer. suppose I haven't paid too close attention to them though

[fringe pond]

Braton Vandal
Lato Vandal
Imperator Vandal
Strun Wraith
Latron Writh

[pastel pasture]

Ignis ain't tenno

[fringe pond]

Standard warframe player moment

You unfortunately did not read what i said
I said they’re BOTH

Tenno andCorpus
For Vandal
Tenno and Grineer
For Wraith

[pastel pasture]

yes i read that

and Ignis is not saying its tenno grineer

it just says grineer

[fringe pond]

I literally just listed every tenno wraith and vandal weapon

[fringe pond]

Dude

Alright whatever you gotta be trolling atp

[pastel pasture]

i'm sorry you're offended by the Ignis not being tenno-grineer

[fringe pond]

Im not
I wasn’t saying that the wraith and vandal weapons are tenno and grineer cross weapons

I don’t know why you’re taking that so literally

[pastel pasture]

that's what people mean when they hyphenate stuff

[fringe pond]

I literally just listed every tenno weapon with a wraith and vandal variant also

[pastel pasture]

you could have said tenno or if you meant it coudl be either

[fringe pond]

Would you rather i had done a slash or something??
Mb bro for writing a certain way idk man

[pastel pasture]

don't get mad at me because you used hyphens wrong

[fringe pond]

🤷‍♂️
Idk this is a dumb conversation now
Mb ig

[rustic glacier]

degenerate discordians get a grip

[lament oyster]

When do you get the new years kiss?

[steep totem]

At the beginning of winter

[pastel pasture]

so there's like

700ish weapons in the game right now yeah?

if we get 300 more weapons and DE changes nothing. it'll be impossible to have a complete collection

not even just for non-founders. founders too

because APPERENTLY you can only have 999 weapon slots

surely DE will find a new server lying about to increase that limit before then right

[cunning perch]

does a full descendia run for roathe mean i have to start at floor 1 each time?

[lofty girder]

You mean for his 21 messages?

Nope, just need to beat his ahh

[tight pagoda]

A full Descendia Run is all 21 floors

But for the voice memos you only need to do the Roathe fight repeatedly

If you're going after the Honorias/Challenges then most of them require you to do 21 floors consecutively

[solid fern]

Guess what, Warframe supports said not all member stuck at Anathema is a bug. If you failed to redeem or villain Roathe, he is supposed to stuck at Anathema use the long cooldown big red reset button

[obtuse gyro]

I mean thats assuming you cant get lyon or marie to get him to get his shit together

[hearty pendant]

yea? if you don't redeem roathe and he doesn't go into villainy, that's a failstate

[solid fern]

But Taylor said Roathe stuck at anathema and you already done 21 times is a certain bug

[hearty pendant]

the most common anathema cause is not doing 21 runs, but it isn't every cause

[obtuse gyro]

its not FailUltimate is it? I know RoatheFail should be fixable with marie and lyon

[solid fern]

Maybe it is because I agreed to reset during the conversation with Roathe I guess

Don’t know it is a bug or not honestly

[hearty pendant]

not sure which boolean it is, would have to look at that convo
but ik lyon n marie can bail you out of that failstate

[solid fern]

8 more days of waiting, funny game isn’t it?

[obtuse gyro]

Im betting youve just not played your cards right

[solid fern]

Don’t know

[obtuse gyro]

you said youd check if youve had the relevant convos with lyon or marie

did you check lol

[hearty pendant]

the marie convo either does nothing, adds 10 to the thermostat, or removes 10 from the thermostat

[solid fern]

Unless DE state that “we don’t have any bugs!! It is clearly your issue”

So yeah, I don’t know

[solid fern]

I don’t have that convo

Don’t know which one either

[solid fern]

They do talk about Roathe, don’t know which tho

[obtuse gyro]

theres alot of not knowing lol

[solid fern]

Well

[hearty pendant]

can track down where an issue might've happened with more info

[solid fern]

At least tell me which convo those are, that might actually help

The thing I dislike the most is the long 28 days cooldown of the reset

[hearty pendant]

this convo starts with "Marie, do you have a moment?"

[solid fern]

Nope, haven’t run into that yet

Do we need to do anything to trigger it?

[hearty pendant]

triggered by a Lyon convo that starts similarly

"Lyon, I need your help with Roathe."

[solid fern]

Hmmm, I guess it is because I promised to reset his memory then

Turns out that promise isn’t a story theme thing but an actual action with that 28 days long cooldown button

[hearty pendant]

if you promised, it should've led to roathe asking why you were taking so long to do so

[solid fern]

Doesn’t exist either

Well it sure is buggy

Just wait for 8 more days I guess no wonder why Gaz made a video ranting about this crap

At least DE should let us paid 200 or so plat to skip the long reset cooldown

[hearty pendant]

what convo did you promise to reset during
how'd it start

[obtuse gyro]

no idea who gaz is but we really putting weight behind wf ytubers in the big 26?

[solid fern]

Rank 5 convo 1

[obtuse gyro]

means RoatheDay2 hasnt triggered yet

[solid fern]

That thing simply doesn’t exist

[obtuse gyro]

was there a follow up conversation with roathe after that

[hearty pendant]

yea that doesn't even hit a failstate if i'm looking at it right, just should trigger Day2

[solid fern]

And Digital extremes support claims there are zero bugs, it is just I suck

[hearty pendant]

i don't think they claimed that
they've been quite vocal that the new KIMs were buggy

[obtuse gyro]

non-zero chance you gave them the same info you gave us

[solid fern]

The support guy literally said my account has zero bugs

[obtuse gyro]

which is uh, quite lacking since we've only just sussed out that you might not have Day2 play out

[solid fern]

[solid fern]

Which it should not be

[obtuse gyro]

did he now. He literally said that

[solid fern]

Since the Boolean now is RoatheWillReset

[obtuse gyro]

atp youd might as well just show us a screenshot of you KIM UI

and your chat history

[solid fern]

Doesn’t bother, just wait until that day and see what happens I guess

If Warframe support said so, then I might try it. But if it fails, DE staff fails HARD

[pearl galleon]

Anyone know from what places I can get plant decorations from

[solid fern]

There might be another month or so of waiting, but please be sure I will save all screenshots and rant on them

[hearty pendant]

nightcap in the fortuna vents, acrithis in duviri/dormizone, grandmother on deimos
all i'm remembering atm, might be more

[fierce kiln]

nightcap has lots

[obtuse gyro]

dude from this whole conversation youve been haphazardly been dooling out information lmao

[solid fern]

Why on earth you thing I don’t have to work and able to play Warframe 24/7

[obtuse gyro]

We don't even know what you described your situation to support

[hearty pendant]

the convos happen once a day that last bit isn't really a factor

[obtuse gyro]

because given how you described it to us, it cant have been all too enlightening of your situation

[solid fern]

Why should I? They could just check my account

It is THEIR game, they don’t need to

[obtuse gyro]

so you didn't describe the problem

[hearty pendant]

because describing your situation to support makes it a hell of a lot easier to figure out

[solid fern]

Funny thing I did

[hearty pendant]

if its been the same way that you did here, it wasn't a great explanation

[zenith jacinth]

Couldn't

[solid fern]

I don’t have the screen shots on my hands

As I need to work and I am not at home

And at this point I don’t know it is just the support being too lazy to reset the convo, or it is Taylor himself not being clear

[obtuse gyro]

So did you send them screenshots or no?

[solid fern]

This is why I am asking, and apparently I am pretty confused

[solid fern]

I said I don’t have the screen shots on my hands, which means yes

[zenith jacinth]

[solid fern]

When talking about bugs DE just to scared about spoilers ROFL, so we will never know who’s right who’s wrong

[obtuse gyro]

so what were in said screenshots

did you show your conversation history or did you just show roathe in anathema

[solid fern]

Everything they asked. And yes do have history

And people on forum said please don’t reset until DE fixed something on February. So generally I am confused as ****.

All I can say the support team isn’t very supportive. And DE forgot the reset button actually had a long a** cooldown

[obtuse gyro]

Did you also tell them you already fired off a reset?

[solid fern]

Yes indeed

Doesn’t matter now, still got that 8 days to wait anyway. Let’s wait and see what DE will be done on Feb and decide I guess

[pearl galleon]

@fierce kiln current night wave?

[fierce kiln]

?

all nightcap bounties give fergolyte which can be traded for plant decorations at his shop

[pearl galleon]

Sweet

My base of op is drifter camp and I wanna make it look dope cause the amount of space

May I also ask what's the go with the prince next to deepmine bounties

[tight pagoda]

Feeding him gives you lore

I think it's 10-20-40 for each tier

Not necessary for anything besides Lore, I believe

[pearl galleon]

Lore my favourite

[next imp]

Who do they think they are

[valid folio]

I'm going to fill my orbiter with Marie Floofs

They'll be flying off the shelves

[floral hawk]

aurafarming before some random mr28 erases them from existence

[valid folio]

Are new incarnons still a thing?

I'm wondering whether I'll ever get a Reconifex incarnon 😁

[rain otter]

Aura farming you.

Don't die.

[rain otter]

Sometimes yes

[valid folio]

There's hope 😤

[fierce kiln]

the way reb put in in this weeks devshort there are more weapons they will reveal next devstream, although it could just be follies and not even more lich weapons

[tight pagoda]

We got Thalys last year June with Isleweaver

I think with the Koumei update we got some other ones

[hollow quail]

Reconifex is viable enough that I doubt it’ll get an incarnon i cant lie

I’d rather get a stug incarnon

[valid folio]

It's just my favourite gun

[valid folio]

STUG INCARNON WHEN

NEEEDDDD

[hollow quail]

Fr

Stug incarnon making it the best weapon in the game

Higher dps than dual tox 🙏

[valid folio]

They should give us a Kuva Stug

The plinx got a tenet, we need a Kuva stug 🥲

[valid folio]

The stug incarnon awakens the stug's ability to infuse it's blobs with demon cores and it just bleaches the entire tileset in a single shot 🙏🙏🙏

(I've had to use Stug on like 5 of my Archimedias 🥲)

https://tenor.com/view/bye-chat-demon-core-cane-cup-pea-animatic-battle-gif-5329975250733634409

[hollow quail]

Bye

[valid folio]

I used the stug incarnon without Qorvex (I have mere moments left to live)

[eager dagger]

Ok so I’ve gotten triad to agree to help and loid messaged me to thank me but no cutscene? Went to Deimos but nothing triggered the cutscene? Is it at rest today or?

[whole mountain]

entrati lvl 5?

[eager dagger]

Explain

[whole mountain]

1 of the requirement is reaching entrati family lvl 5

[eager dagger]

Oh they family, yes for years now

[cerulean kiln]

Might need a daily reset then

[eager dagger]

Hope so otherwise I’ve had just about enough of these goofy Kim chats

[floral hawk]

my chat with lyon is bugged, rip. it's stuck in typing

was the only solution a reset?

[cerulean kiln]

Did you try reloading game?

[outer ibex]

Uhh, is anyone else’s sanctum different? Behind the vessel wally used in Whispers in the wall

[floral hawk]

it's been like so for a week, i've given up

[cerulean kiln]

Before giving up I’d read this

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1489543-psa-the-devil’s-triad-kim-conversation-bugs/

[floral hawk]

lol. strangely in-character for a self-flaggelating character

thanks for the link, it's about one in the morning and i have work in six hours so i'll have to give up today

[opaque dove]

My boy…lo…it makes sense

[strange geyser]

What is Stalker holding here that is glowing green? Jade's Scythe doesn't glow green I don't think?

[solid otter]

Enlightened hate, its a skin - he has it in the ending of jade shadows

[steep totem]

Enlightened Hate is fun

[steep totem]

Harmony does glow, but not that dramatically

[zenith jacinth]

"He's right behind me isn't he"

[steep totem]

Somehow, I can hear Ordis saying this

[zenith jacinth]

Well yeah, because he is

[lime ledge]

yoo any idea how different hex guys react to you dating xx99?

and i mean you LI

[zenith jacinth]

Zero difference

You see one reaction you've seen all

[misty veldt]

I didn't even know he was there thats so cool

[subtle bolt]

how do i repair my railjack in first mission

[lofty girder]

You have the omni in the gear wheel

[tight pagoda]

He shows up if you buy something from Ordis' Jade wares

[misty veldt]

Noted

[hybrid marlin]

Um so I was looking at my next Marie Kim convo on the flowchart site and this one confused me. Can I not date her and

||And do the loid reunite family thing||

||This was the only option that said date and the only option that said family fail so im sort of conflicted or if I should avoid it||

[opal ridge]

Oh shit, i think I did it

“We faced his truth together, and Ive convinced him he can live his life however he wishes, free of the morals and scrutiny of others, I am excited to see what he’s capable of”

[errant perch]

Does anyone know what this means?

Initiate conversation LyonRoatheRepair in /Lotus/Types/Gameplay/1999Wf/Dialogue/LyonDialogue_rom.dialogue

[errant perch]

Were you trying to redeem him? If so, you failed.

[opal ridge]

Which routes does he have again

[errant perch]

Redeemed and Villian

[real niche]

That's just a trigger to give a specific convo next.

[opal ridge]

Ah ok

[errant perch]

Ah, oki

[opal ridge]

Ah eithers fine

[subtle bolt]

what now

[errant perch]

This is what it would say if you redeemed him

[opal ridge]

Hmmm

[fringe pond]

Btw the omni requires revolite, which you refill with the forges in the back

[opal ridge]

Neither really seem bad

[errant perch]

True. I wanted to redeem him, so I had to reset the trio since I accidently made him a villain

[subtle bolt]

ah i see, but what on this, i extinguished fire

[opal ridge]

Lyon seems happy I reached that ending, being best friends and all

[errant perch]

Nice

[subtle bolt]

do i need to destroy big spaceship

ah i had to shoot bigger ships, then when they have 0 hp shoot them with lasers

also i did not know i could control ship :O

[fringe pond]

As in enemy ships?

Or your own?

[shadow ivy]

I don't like “region” in chat because it acts weirdly like “I want femboy” “UwU” “I'm your diddy” any weird…

[rain otter]

You can turn off region chat.

[shadow ivy]

How?..

[rain otter]

Setting and then go to the chat settings.

[shadow ivy]

Okk thanks (I like to act weird, unlike them)..

[charred escarp]

Guys I think I made a mistake. Cavia/devils triad spoiler stuff I guess?

It's my first time doing the devils triad stuff, I haven't done the 21st run of descendia because I wanted to get max rank with deimos and the cavia first (I'm a relatively new player it's taking some time) and Lyon just messaged me offering to help, I was like "oh sure" because I figured it was "whenever I'm ready" thing and not a "he's gonna talk to Loid NOW" thing

If I go to the cavia place is it going to force me into that cutscene or can I avoid it like the plague. I don't know if there's different "endings" to that and I am stressing OUT right now.

[lofty girder]

Loid going up requires all 3 triad members to agree

Also, there's no alternative ending for loid, either he goes up, or you failed to convince the triad to help

[charred escarp]

See, I didn't get Marie OR Roathe to agree. Lyon messaged me and was like "Hey... you seem to be having a tough time, do you need help? Marie's my sister and the devil owes me a favor" and I was like "God. Lyon. Hon. Please." And he was like "bet" and the next thing I know Loid is messaging me and going "hey, Lyon, Marie, and Roathe talked to me and I relent, the time has come."

So even though he said that, he WON'T go up the stairs? Am I going to have to redo it all or something?

[lofty girder]

I mean, if you get the cutscene, great, if not, then try and go through the remaining conversations with the triad

[charred escarp]

Okay gotcha, thank you. Roathe kinda sorta hates me right now for not going through actual literal hell in the form of his mindscape right now featuring lava and flames and all and I know he has routes so I was scared I was gonna eff something up big time.

[subtle bolt]

my own

[hybrid marlin]

I can still date Marie and do this right

Cause this confuses me

[subtle bolt]

||im very scared guy with mental health problems, is there jumpscare in rap tap tap quest or what||

[agile haven]

nothing on the scale of an actual horror game

but there are a couple audio stings

[subtle bolt]

thx

[wooden fractal]

I did

[hybrid marlin]

Oh okay

[wooden fractal]

I believe Roathe had to come in for persuasion, but it happened

[agile haven]

oh and the actual rap tap tap uses directional audio, so if you're sensitive to something sounding like it's whispering from right behind you I'd be aware of thay

[hybrid marlin]

Im guessing the family fail isnt in relation to the reunite i guess

In the picture I sent

[wooden fractal]

It can be, if the others aren't onboard I think. I had both Roathe and Lyon on board + marked as Close at the time

[hybrid marlin]

Ah okay

Thanks

[wooden fractal]

Yw~

[clear lance]

it is funny how it pans while stil attempting some form of directional audio

[subtle bolt]

if it was just first quest, where u have to defend from oncoming "shadow" enemies yes its quite easy, ppl on stream described it too scary

[agile haven]

it's not really scary unless you REALLY try to immerse yourself into it

[subtle bolt]

tbf i put brightness to maximum so :D

[hybrid marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[hybrid marlin]

Sorry just wanted one more bit of clarification, youre dating Marie and reunited loid with cavia right?

[wooden fractal]

Loid with the upstairs family? Yes. Rank 5 with Cavia too but idk if that's necessary

[hybrid marlin]

I wanted to grind that syndicate so im r5 with them anyway

[wooden fractal]

I dated Marie, Lyon and Roathe were both Best Friends / Close. Marie herself was Close / Loved, but for some reason against reuniting. Roathe convinced her

[whole mountain]

r5 entrati family iirc

[hybrid marlin]

Ah okay

Thanks guys

[wooden fractal]

Yeah I'm also R5 with the family

[hybrid marlin]

Wonder if daughter and kaya would get along

[wooden fractal]

Pretty sure they would

Both are hella smart and have the same attitude. It would be chaos for everyone else :V

[hybrid marlin]

True lol

[subtle bolt]

quest after that where u follow voice is scarier :D

[eager dagger]

Praise Jesus I finally got that cutscene the tyranny of Kim chat is over 😄

[steel hatch]

i would suggest doing it during the day, keep the sound low, and take some anxiety meds then tbh. i only have audhd and it made me genuinely feel like i was schizophrenic with the rap tap tap stuff

[fading current]

huh…I now understand the hakari memes with Koumei. I’m glad I waited to find out what everyone was referencing when she was released lol

https://tenor.com/view/koumei-koumei-tuca-warframe-koumei-tuca-gif-15212871737756649402

[rain otter]

Rell is a interesting character.

[steel hatch]

Rell wasn't the problem, it was the other thing 😭

[rain otter]

Shhhhhhh

[tight pagoda]

Goddammit I'm not safe even in Absolute Batman

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-wally-wall-warframe-wally-slay-gif-17731710966554021720

[celest perch]

I have a question for the new peace when it comes to relations/hidden stuff ||I've managed to fix the relation between the three and was told by lyon he'd make Loid go and meet the family.. is it not a thing yet or am I missing something?||

[zenith jacinth]

All three need to agree to help

[celest perch]

Thanks for the response, so funny that just now I got a msg from him : p

[still swan]

do you thing we gonna fight at some point that wierd Sentient in Corpus Narmer missons that is on jupiter?

[cerulean kiln]

Nah, Narmer seem to care more about Third Orb rn

[still swan]

that true but i woner if he gonna be when tau eventually relases

[cerulean kiln]

We don’t really have anything on Tau 2026 yet

[still swan]

i know i wish we did

i am just rambling becose i finally wanna see new sentiens we fighting same ones for so long that even my skanna can kill them

[cerulean kiln]

Watch there just not be Sentients on modern Tau

[tight pagoda]

Which one?

[solid otter]

Oh isnt that the ropalyst or however you spell it

[zenith jacinth]

Nah

Rolypoly is chunkier, kinda looking like raw chicken

[still swan]

no that is complete new concept for sentient well not really new sence new war ropalolist is this

[zealous latch]

heyo i need help with tirad KIM chat i think i fumbled both marie and roathe again i have already reset chat once

so roath wants me to reset his memories i said i will think about it and have gone into anthemia

marie lashed against tagfer and well that was pure BS on her part so tried telling her to stop putting him on pedestal

Don't you dare talk to me about things you know nothing about... no. No! No! We're finished! is last text post translation by marie

roath says anathema editing this as idk how long is slow mode here

[zenith jacinth]

Does it say anathema

I
Slowmode is only like 5 seconds

[zenith jacinth]

For marie that's normal, for roach, have you defeated him 21 times?

[zealous latch]

i have done the fight 21 times not 21 weeks but 21 times

i got the honoria for it as well i think

[zenith jacinth]

Got 21 VMs?

[zealous latch]

yes

[zenith jacinth]

Mmm

You can still have one of the others make him talk to you again iirc

[zealous latch]

yep rechecked from nitok to oblivion

[zenith jacinth]

It's a random convo

[zealous latch]

i see lets see what he says tomorrow but i think all of em will lead to fail how do i check what booleans i have trigrged with him?

[zenith jacinth]

Compare your chats to the kimulacrum

[zealous latch]

welp that is gonna take a LONGGGG while i guess XD

[zenith jacinth]

Yea

[zealous latch]

got 2 days left for reset gonnacheck before reset i hope dont need to do again but it was something fun to look forward to each day

[tight pagoda]

Don't "think about" resetting because he asks, just force him to accept it

Otherwise you'll just be stuck in the cycle

[zealous latch]

welp i told him i will think avout it for now gues we are doomed to repeat this cycle

[lofty girder]

Ropapopololalyst

[zenith jacinth]

I had to stop doing the triad chats bc I genuinely can't be bothered to fight roach 21 times

[zealous latch]

and i think i have that debt think for romacne wanted to see what that was about so said yes havent used it yet

[solid otter]

Ropapopopopopopolalalalyst

[zenith jacinth]

Ropaipopaiponoshur-

[solid otter]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN.

[zenith jacinth]

Wdym again

[solid otter]

THIS IS WHY I HATE WARFRAME FANS

[solid otter]

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE THOUGHT ALBRECHT WAS LOID'S FATHER

[zenith jacinth]

How

[zenith jacinth]

:(

[cerulean kiln]

Give them a

[quaint junco]

There’s genuinely no way they looked at the end scene of WitW and went, “yeah that’s a father/son duo”

[cerulean kiln]

They’re just roommates with benefits

[quaint junco]

Tbf though warframe’s player base is overwhelmingly illiterate

The amount of people who think Natah and/or Hunhow are villains or bad in any respect are a living testament to that 😭

[cerulean kiln]

Media literacy is dying

[solid otter]

Clearly they have bad or weird relationships with their fathers bcs what the shit 😭

[quaint junco]

Or the players who think we’re called devils because of the uriel crashout

That ‘theory’ has me banging my head against a wall

[solid otter]

The loid used kuva theory makes me want to explode

[quaint junco]

Fair enough, forgot no swearing

Let me rephrase, the WHAT? lmao

[cerulean kiln]

Loid used Kuva theory makes as much sense as Drifter is a time god

[tight pagoda]

"_____ is Man in the Wall" yeah about as much as your IRL mother is

[quaint junco]

Clem is actually the man in the wall

He told me

[cerulean kiln]

There was someone who actually believed whenever we use our powers it’s just Wally doing stuff

[quaint junco]

Oh and the people who started claiming Rell stole the rap tap tap, you’ll let me in little piggy line from us? There’s so much wrong there 😭

[cerulean kiln]

The people thinking Rell invented it is worse

[tight pagoda]

Yeah it's likely Wally tormenting him with that line

I personally think we came up with it and our hate is being used against Rell

[quaint junco]

It’s moreso just the fact that we know both times it’s been said, wally was saying it

[tight pagoda]

Rather than it just being something Wally says

[quaint junco]

Both times was during a wally possession

[solid otter]

Yeup. And it comes from a singular line from drusus about how long he served the entrati family

[cerulean kiln]

People miss the fact Rell was being controlled by Wally

[quaint junco]

I had someone cite the wiki transcript where it said it was Rell’s line

[solid otter]

God not the wiki

[cerulean kiln]

Wiki is horrible when it comes to lore

[quaint junco]

I genuinely almost throttled them because like 2 lines before that one, they say, “that’s not Rell!”

Transcripts are fully accurate tbf

It’s just them missing any and all context

Because in that conversation they outright say he’s not Rell

[solid otter]

The amount of people who thought Lyon was rell

[quaint junco]

My only cracked out theory was thinking Dominus might be Rell, or at least a child of the zariman before duviri launched

[tight pagoda]

The amount of people who still don't understand that the Protoframes aren't the originals that we're shown to pilot

[quaint junco]

And I was half right…kinda

[quaint junco]

Dude it genuinely drives me insane

[solid otter]

Only one where this is true is Temple

[cerulean kiln]

There was once someone who edited the wiki to have it say Garmi was a contrarian which means he wouldn’t have cared about Drifter and was in Duviri before Drifter

[quaint junco]

And possibly cyte-09

And Uriel actually

[tight pagoda]

Lmao he has like 3 lines about him

[solid otter]

Nup, not even uriel

[tight pagoda]

Don't put your headcanon into things folks

[solid otter]

Uriel was originally a bunch of Roathe's men

[quaint junco]

Right yeah

[tight pagoda]

Roathe was Uriel after his men were

[solid otter]

Albrecht just kidnapped Roathe's ass

[tight pagoda]

And Uriel Prime is some other guy

[solid otter]

Well. He didnt kidnap Roathe

[quaint junco]

Primes aren’t the OG

And yeah, Roathe took the serum willingly

[solid otter]

But its funny to think of Albrecht kidnapping a mf

[quaint junco]

Aidan Pierce looking ass

[tight pagoda]

Lmao how does being a contrarian even imply that

[solid otter]

He doesnt originally look like that

[quaint junco]

Well yeah…?

[solid otter]

He just needed to for xx99/1999

[quaint junco]

No Orokin originally looks how they appear now

[solid otter]

I hope they change his design again

[tight pagoda]

He had a different body in XX99 I think, unless Roathe was just familiar with his Blue form

[solid otter]

Nihil does

[quaint junco]

Well…no

[solid otter]

Xx99 is separate from Roathe kidnapping

Albrecht left for 3 years

[quaint junco]

You don’t think the Orokin are born with their cybernetically enhanced bodies and blue skin…right? lol

Those are manufactured

[cerulean kiln]

They aren’t

[tight pagoda]

I just remember there's a chat with Roathe being unfamiliar with Albrecht's face

[solid otter]

... no i thought you meant that no orokin looks the same to how they did in the old war - much like every other orokin

[quaint junco]

^

[solid otter]

Yes, but that still is seperate from the two incidents

[quaint junco]

Even Roathe was just a footsoldier he yoinked the body of

[solid otter]

Albrecht turned white after duviri

[quaint junco]

Roathe’s current body*

[solid otter]

He was blue once!

[quaint junco]

Well no

[solid otter]

Thats what i was getting after

[cerulean kiln]

Orokin love taking children as Yuvans

[quaint junco]

Zariman outright disproves that

[rapid mulch]

if i wanna get them back together, which do i choose? (ive already looked at the flow chart and its still confusing me)

[quaint junco]

Challenge her

[solid otter]

Well yes, it is. He has void scarring on his portrait, why would he have any if that portrait is post void incident?

He is blue in that portrait

He. Hes mentioned to have the same hair as he does in that portrait in Duviri

[quaint junco]

Generally with Minerva you have to be a bit aggressive, push her on what she thinks

[tight pagoda]

Lmao what if he looked like Werner Herzog in XX99

[quaint junco]

Honestly with most kim chats you have to be aggressive. I went for the kill on Marie to get her to see Albrecht is kind of bad

[cerulean kiln]

Albrecht didn’t even give up on Kuva straight away

[solid otter]

He did it around the time he left the family

[quaint junco]

Albrecht never gave up on Kuva

[solid otter]

Yes he did

[quaint junco]

That was the whole point, it was the lie he needed

[solid otter]

Hes he did oh my god

[solid otter]

No. No. Absolutely not.

[tight pagoda]

No, he definitely did

[quaint junco]

No he didn’t, Roathe’s reunion with the family outright says this

[tight pagoda]

The requiem journals were for himself, he had no need to lie

[solid otter]

No???

They say he was wanting to let himself die

[quaint junco]

Yes, and we have substantial evidence to show this, given how many times he’s swapped bodies since then

[solid otter]

And he initially did

[solid otter]

Where. Show us where.

What, the skin change? Something the orokin did all the time?

[tight pagoda]

He hasn't swapped bodies, he can still modify his body but the point is that he refuses to do continuity

[solid otter]

He refuses to do it because of the fear of being wally

[quaint junco]

Roathe outright says he’s taken on a new face

[solid otter]

He didnt recognise the face, sure

[cerulean kiln]

Even we can change skin colour without swapping a body

[quaint junco]

That was his lie to the family to ensure they think he’s dead

[solid otter]

But he recognised the voice.

[quaint junco]

He didn’t actually lol

[solid otter]

And idk about you, but you cannot change your voice

[tight pagoda]

Orokin could augment their appearance without continuity

[quaint junco]

Go pull up that chat log

[solid otter]

Yes. He did.

Okay, lets do this.

[quaint junco]

He specifies he only could recognize the way he spoke

[tight pagoda]

That's what the Refacia kit is

Re-face-ia

[quaint junco]

Moreover, donning a new face is a specific phrasing they use for continuity, you’re taking their words without the context the game gives

Beyond that, grandmother’s dialogue also hints at all of his whining prior to disappearing being a lie to cover up his lack of death

[tight pagoda]

there's chats with the Hex where you can talk about him refusing to do continuity

[solid otter]

"He wore a face I did not know. But that is not so very unusual for our kind. I knew his voice. I knew the way he moved."

[quaint junco]

Exactly, the way he moved

[solid otter]

Fun fact, your voice is dictated by the shape of your mouth.

The shape of your face, throat and mouth

[quaint junco]

That’s…just not true lmfao

There you go, fully truth

[solid otter]

Yes
Yes it is ???

[tight pagoda]

In my opinion when he says "his voice" I think he mostly meant the tone

[quaint junco]

^^

[solid otter]

How do you think voices sound in a distinct way

[solid otter]

Ignoring that he has the same voice in both times?

[quaint junco]

Him specifying the whole, “the way he moved” thing is pointing out it’s through his actions and how he carries himself he knew him

[solid otter]

Im dealing with idiots holy shit

Good lord

[quaint junco]

You have to remember that they speak with such obsessively flowery language

[solid otter]

Albrecht doesnt??? He has a way of speaking that is abnormal for orokin????

[quaint junco]

Ah yes the age old classic, “I have nothing to say because my reasoning is surface level, so you all must be morons,”

[solid otter]

No???

[quaint junco]

I’m tuning out

[solid otter]

Youre ignoring several things

Ie, chats saying he didnt do continuity

The fact he wouldnt randomly lie in shit he wrote for himself

[quaint junco]

Anyways, y’all spoke of some of these insane fan theories like they’re common, what other super common ones have y’all seen?

[solid otter]

The requiem logs wasn't for everyone else. Its like being handed a journal of someone that just killed themselves

[tight pagoda]

Yeah he definitely stopped continuity

[solid otter]

Which he probably tried!

[quaint junco]

The only super common crazy ones I’ve seen were; devils coming from uriel crashout and natah/hunhow being evil

[solid otter]

"Atone for what I had done through my own blood" doesn't scream im not gonna harm myself

[quaint junco]

But apparently people think Loid is Albrecht’s son??

[solid otter]

Yeah and you think Albrecht did continuity again

You can't speak

[cerulean kiln]

There’s people who think Wally is the good guy

[quaint junco]

Oh?

That’s…certainly a choice

[solid otter]

God those people piss me off

[quaint junco]

Even if you wanna take the angle that he’s not bad per se, him being good?

[solid otter]

"No Albrecht must've lied because he lived"

Roathe gets shit wrong all the damn time

[quaint junco]

That’s gotta be arguing just to argue atp 😭

I can’t even think of….anything that could be construed as good?

I guess void travel?

[cerulean kiln]

I have a Roathe theory he created I hate

Lotus automatically isn’t trustworthy because Roathe says he doesn’t trust her

[tight pagoda]

Maybe him manipulating events (or rather the Operators) so that the Orokin get wiped out? But like that's a stretch

[quaint junco]

Guys am I (XATA FASS XATA M) the *hole if I torment generations of people across eons but I indirectly gave them void travel?

[solid otter]

Orokin manipulation, lets go

[quaint junco]

😭🤣

[solid otter]

... wally didnt give them void travel, it was forcibly cut from him

Thsts like. His whole reason for aggression

[tight pagoda]

Roathe also doesn't trust the Operator too, or at least threw the idea of them going rogue to the Drifter (and implies he'd give the same advice to the Operator about the Drifter)

[quaint junco]

Roathe doesn’t trust anyone tbh

I think the only people he genuinely grows to thoroughly trust (or at least not let on his distrust of) would be the triad

[solid otter]

Mind you this is a man who admits that the operator scares him (that is said right?), hes totally not biased.

[quaint junco]

He’s just big on being a contrarian so he makes sure he’s always arguing from the opposite angle, what can I say, he loves being the devil’s advocate lol

[solid otter]

I do just hate roathe for so many reasons

[quaint junco]

Especially with his wally theory, even though it’s not outright wrong, it’s just as unsubstantiated as the current view

[solid otter]

...no

Ha. No. That wally theory is what the game has been telling us

[tight pagoda]

I like a lot of his philosophical chats

[solid otter]

It is absolutely conceptual embodiment

[quaint junco]

I love getting to chat with him, he’s genuinely such a delight

[solid otter]

I could go on about how bad he is as a person but that is good writing, I will say that

I don't know why we went forgiveness for the drifter. Roathe didnt do anything to the drifter.

[quaint junco]

I just need my reset to happen to I can finally go about romancing him

[solid otter]

Ah. Suddenly stuff makes sense.

[quaint junco]

Speaking of romancing him, how’s everyone fairing in collecting Honoria? I’m missing…5 total? I think?