spoiler-chat

[solid otter]

Some people just dont realise it

[hearty pendant]

ignore the convo. reload your base of operations

[solid otter]

Same with leaving Kalymos

[worn fjord]

But for Albrecht, does the end justify the means? Genuine question. I know he’s at the end of his ropes really but I had that thought

[mental ice]

Question is, if Albrecht left to keep people safe, or did he leave so Loid and his Family can't be used as pawns on the chessboard between him and indifference? Seems wherever Albrecht went, he was securing more pawns to use in a game, same as Wally securing his own.

[solid otter]

Both imo, to keep them safe is to keep them away from being used by wally

[worn fjord]

When reading this part - "Their humanity may not last. My deliverance may yet consume them. The human swallowed up in the sacred beast. And if my wayward disciples turn on me, what words of comfort shall I have beyond: 'This is the bargain we have made. Through our sacrifice, history will be saved'."

[solid otter]

He regrets not being able to say much else to the hex and that means something somehow

One of my favourite temporal Archimedia lines is one Kaya has about her time with Albrecht

[mental ice]

Yeah, I'd want to believe that, though with Albrecht ruthless streak it is very hard to take what the man himself says as truth 🤔 but hopefully he did grow and he is more caring now...or so one can hope

[solid otter]

"When I'd talk to Entrati about particle physics and the Void, and I LOVE to talk about that stuff, he would just, like, listen to me blather on. But I could tell, by the look in his eye, when I had things right and wrong."

AUHHHHRRGGG

[solid otter]

Ehh, this isnt really what he says, its his actions that make it obvious

[mental ice]

Last time our Drifter interacted with him, he wanted us kill someone in cold blood 😅 Hopefully next update shines more light, I withold my judgment of Albrecht for now

[solid otter]

Noone can tell me this man did not see his daughter in Kaya

[worn fjord]

If you see Albrecht’s notes, it gives more insight into what he was thinking. I’m sure those were true at least

[solid otter]

Tbf Neci runs a fascist regime and kills people on a regular basis, shes a stand in for a nazi 😭

[solid otter]

They would be, we arent supposed to listen to em, so i dont know why he would've lied in em

[mental ice]

I thought it was new loka 👀 The impure shall be cleansed and all of that

[solid otter]

Yeah thats also what the scaldra say 💀

Something about the techrot and being impure

So the fact we wouldn't kill a literal fascist is

Weird

[worn fjord]

Scaldra the New Loka of 1999

[mental ice]

True, and Scaldra uses gas frequently, so.... yeah, scaldra auschwitz gas chambers go brrr

[solid otter]

They even use their religion as a basis for their ideals!

[primal merlin]

For the record also, I think Roathe and Albrecht have proven just as bad as each other in practice because of their willingness to shed blood and use the people who trust them to further their own goals. They both think themselves noble, and that the ends justified the means. Roathe thought he would be waging a war that would topple the corrupt Orokin Empire. That was Roathe's way of purging the corruption in the universe. Albrecht seeks to destroy the Indifference and therefor sets into motion a series of events that would lead to the deaths of countless innocent lives. That was Albrecht's way of purging the corruption in the universe. I think Albrecht specifically chose Roathe because they were both on self-destructive quests to right their wrongs and he saw the parallels in a fellow Orokin. I don't even think in the "good" outcome for Roathe I'd call him redeemed, just taking a first step. The line I draw is that Albrecht's still doing the thing he needs to atone for.

[mental ice]

Well, at lest compared to Nazi's they don't repurpose techrot into lamps and soap, as someone from Poland, I have the history about all of that in quite aboundance

[solid otter]

True...

[solid otter]

I mean.

That's under the assumption Albrecht made the nuke, right? The death of countless people?

We don't know if it was him, iirc he just hijacked it for his own needs

Like the opposite of what happened with the fingers lol

He may have done one finger, which multiplied, but he didn't do the rest of the shit built on those fingers outside maybe void travel

[primal merlin]

I mean I'm not even talking about the nuke, I'm talking about the parts of the infestation that he introduced into the time period.

[hearty pendant]

i mean, him getting access to the reactor via amir and then telling us 'trust me you need to let the reactor explode' doesn't paint a good look for him in that regard

[solid otter]

... he didnt do that

[mental ice]

I still hope that something extremely evil happens in the story yet. Like (and this is exampe only) Wally successfully tricking Albrecht to sacrifice Loid before swallowing Albrecht afterwards, you know, something with a HUGE impact for players

[solid otter]

He didnt do that 😭

Helminth is a very very docile infestation strain

[primal merlin]

I thought it was vague whether or not he did it but seemed more on the likely side because he literally built a helminth in the time period?

[solid otter]

Its explicitly a bloodborne variant of the infestation 😭

It can only spread via fluids (like HIV)

[mental ice]

I'm still wondering how did Roathe re-create helmnith in XX99

[solid otter]

I mean

He has it in his blood

[worn fjord]

"I went among the denizens of the plague year like a savior, my hands filled with healing. To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed; it needed only the Helminth infusions, brought from my own time, to work the alchemy of transformation. They have become partial Warframes, still in possession of their free will, yet enhanced, Void-attuned, capable."

[mental ice]

it still would take huge effort and big brain

[hearty pendant]

he's becoming more helminth the farther his transformation progresses, so he's kinda his own source for it

[solid otter]

That didnt kill anyone, helminth doesnt kill people unless he is actively making warframes 😭

[hearty pendant]

indeed, and he congratulates himself for it a few times

[mental ice]

he honestly deserves the congratulations, it's not like he shaved off infested bits, plowed a field and watered it each day to make it success, that must have been difficult to make

[solid otter]

Albrecht also purposefully modified the helminth strain to be slower

[primal merlin]

Thank you, I thought that he manufactured the plague in 1999 but also the Helminth to create disciples out of the adversity. Seems it was already the plague year before he arrived.

[solid otter]

Yeup

[lofty girder]

YEAH BABY! 3 FOR 3 FOR GOOD ENDING KIM CHATS

[solid otter]

I wonder if thats why he was so interested in onlyne

... maybe

[hearty pendant]

it was, yea
Mire's description mentions the plague year, and we get the Coda Mire from the plague year

[solid otter]

... * looks around the backrooms at the countless onlyne cassettes and or CDs *

What could he possibly have wanted

[mental ice]

Imagines Albrecht vibing to music

[solid otter]

He would

He had headphones!!

[hearty pendant]

there are a lot of them

[solid otter]

Why is he like this!!

[mental ice]

I wonder if he would sing along with that deep voice of his

[solid otter]

Maybe it was just a small hyperfixation

Autistic Albrecht and his Onlyne collection

[hearty pendant]

for a band with 3 known songs and only 2 we can listen to, albrecht has a lot of those CDs

[mental ice]

I bet he was tossing onlyne merch at indifference seeing if it would work

[solid otter]

He also has a onlyne poster in the clothing store he had

Why is Albrecht like this

[mental ice]

Genius and Madman are the sides of same coin

[solid otter]

Also! Kaeli listens to onlyne as well!

So thats.

A thing.

Lyon was shown music from 1999

And I like to believe Albrecht did that

[hearty pendant]

its either albrecht or drifter tbh

[glass plover]

TO BATTLE, BROTHER

[mental ice]

Not lyon vibing to 1999 music while he flagellates himself......

[worn fjord]

I thought the same at first after those Hex chats but the Notes indicate that he brought infusions from his time so 1999 ppl could survive in a way (some at least). And as Warframes unfortunately but survive nonetheless… the whole thing about the Vessels though I’m not sure what to expect

[hearty pendant]

oh he hates 1999 music. this could happen

[solid otter]

The vessles came after the hex, as an idea

It was Loid's idea

[worn fjord]

Oh okay okay

[mental ice]

So Loid is secret gundam fan?

[solid otter]

It was him who suggested the use of the grey strain to make the vessles large

Loid is just silly like that

[primal merlin]

Okay so looking at things again it was less that Albrecht made the nuke (he didn't) and more that he didn't allow the Hex to stop the nuclear explosion because he needed the energy from it to escape the time loop and go to Tau, and our refusal to go with him after he shoots Amir leads him to shooting us and restarting the time loop.

[worn fjord]

Right, found it! "It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Grey Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged on me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents to Warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary... assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found."

[solid otter]

Wonder if they did it while high again

[solid otter]

... if its any better, he made the loop?

[primal merlin]

I mean.

I don't know if that makes it better, I was mostly trying to remember why people said he was responsible for the deaths of countless people. And I guess that's how it went down.

[solid otter]

Also did the nuke even go off

[worn fjord]

Wait is that why there’s like giant humanoid structures in the sanctum

[solid otter]

... yes

[primal merlin]

I mean yeah Albrecht left. It's just that he left without us and we're stuck looping the year.

[solid otter]

Mar cmon i figured you were smart

[worn fjord]

.. right my bad😭

[worn fjord]

Look I didn’t go through Albrecht’s notes until last month🙂‍↕️

[solid otter]

Also look at where the cathedral entrance is

That stupid ass painting of Albrecht

[glass plover]

roathe: "I know he doesnt like me, but even me has never rendered such level of disgust from him"

[mental ice]

And the place has possibly room for more portals like that...

[solid otter]

Please no, they already broke Whispers

Necraloid apparently isnt spawning again

[hearty pendant]

i am still locked out of the sanctum :D

[solid otter]

Among many things

[mental ice]

They did joke about proto Nezha last devshorts though 🤣

[solid otter]

[worn fjord]

Wait how & why?

[solid otter]

Replaying WiTW will just break it

For some reason

[worn fjord]

Interesting…. And unfortunate

[mental ice]

Ain't warframe without bugs 🙃

[solid otter]

Omg i just remembered this chair is a recliner

[hearty pendant]

replaying whispers is borked, you don't spawn in the right location and necraloid doesn't lead you to the sanctum, so the sanctum remains closed and nonfunctional

[lofty girder]

that poor lore youtuber who keeps running into every cutscene bug lmao

[primal merlin]

You know we still don't have a bugframe technically. Oraxia's an arachnid, not an insect.

[solid otter]

Reckon Loid would like a recliner?

[worn fjord]

I don’t know why but that made me chuckle

I was like which chair😂

And then realized

[hearty pendant]

swapping the active quest also doesn't work, because it seems like whispers is acting like its the first time going through it

[prisma island]

https://youtu.be/-VuYCLelIO8?si=bYXWF1EF7ivedO4m

[mental ice]

Heh classic

[solid otter]

I made myself laugh bcs I damn near shat myself when the leg part popped out and knocked over my ravioli

[worn fjord]

Nooo the ravioli

[solid otter]

I need to give loid so many things

Let us build in the sanctum DE

Let me give Loid a chair, he must be tired

[hearty pendant]

titania sorta counts?
and rhino deathwatch is right there /s

[solid otter]

And not that stupid ass chair Albrecht made

[worn fjord]

I need to give him a new bottle wine

Him and Lyon for that matter

[solid otter]

The serpentine chair. What the hell even is that

[mental ice]

The 'special' chair? 👀

[hearty pendant]

seriously ! what is that thing

[solid otter]

I think Loid needs something more than wine. Give that man some rubbing alcohol.

Give him methylated spirits

[mental ice]

Loid needs schrooms from fortuna.... a lot of shrooms

[solid otter]

Albrecht can't make chairs for the life of him that's what

Give Loid some weed and a weighted blanket

This man is tired and probably wont sleep w out some form of aid

[hearty pendant]

this is worse than a park bench

[mental ice]

Heh, Operator should use Equinox to lul Loid to sleep and watch over him.

[solid otter]

Reckon he sleeps in Albrecht's bed and gets sad bcs its so empty

[worn fjord]

that looks like an uncomfortable chair

[solid otter]

Albrecht also has a little stool, not the plush one, the hard wooden one

[hearty pendant]

i'm not a fan of this one either but at least it has padding

[solid otter]

He has lounges and proper soft seating

[mental ice]

Perhaps Albrecht does not sleep...makes sense he would eliminate the need to, when there's science to be done. He is worse than GladOS from Portal in that regard

[worn fjord]

This one is much better than the last at least

[solid otter]

He would need it

He just doesn't. He probably does the same with food

Albrecht might be neglecting himself

[worn fjord]

If he sleeps, the ghosts come back to haunt him

He is sleep deprived

[solid otter]

Also

[hearty pendant]

might?

[worn fjord]

is definitely

[solid otter]

Some person once tried to tell me Albrecht had a normal skin tone which was like

Dude. No. He is muckin grey.

Slightly purple

[worn fjord]

He is mucking grey alright

[mental ice]

He is pale 🤷‍♂️

[solid otter]

Folks in the archives also found his exact tone in the refacia kits

[hearty pendant]

actually he's ever so slightly green, apparently

[worn fjord]

sleep deprivation + not eating too probably

[solid otter]

I mean. There's pale and there's Albrecht. Albrecht doesn't look like he even has blood

[solid otter]

Why is bro slightly green

[mental ice]

He reminds me of unmasked darth vader, was also this kind of pale in old star wars

[primal merlin]

He's got liver problems, don't judge him

Well. Judge him. Just not for that one.

[solid otter]

I mean, we do have green undertones but thats usually seen in a warmer skintones, not.

Ghostly "i might invade a country" white 😭

[mental ice]

Maybe he will get some tan if the next proto-frames are from africa-like country in warframe universe

[primal merlin]

Ghostly "I definitely invaded Gaul and Hollvania" white lmao

[solid otter]

I want a character design change now that he doesnt need to fit into 1999

[mental ice]

That would be fun, as long as its not a tacky hawaiian shirt 🤣

[primal merlin]

I was wondering what his cardinal clothing looked like.

[hearty pendant]

bluebrecht in tacky hawaiian shirt

[solid otter]

Mm. Red.

Albrecht going suburban dad style

[primal merlin]

"Drifter I assure you that my trip to the Bahamas was part of the grand plan and not because I needed sunlight for my Vitamin D deficiency. And alcohol."

[mental ice]

I bet if we get more protos, Wukong / Nezha will be Chinese gentleman and Ember / Valkyr would be dark skinned beauty 🤔

Also, we really need another ice frame, we have too many fire based ones

[primal merlin]

I mean they kinda have to for the Chinese playerbase don't they?

[solid otter]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(Catholic_Church)

Throws this at you

They kinda look like dresses, but yk

Probably didnt help Albrecht's perception of what "men" are supposed to dress like way back then

[primal merlin]

I mean I figure it'd be red but I wanna see how he wears it y'know? Is it as frilly as Marie's stuff? What kind of bits and bobbles does he got? Does he look very similar to his dreadlocks painting?

[solid otter]

That painting, the bluebrecht one, wouldnt be what he looks like, if that's apart of the question

[primal merlin]

Is he bald under the hat

[solid otter]

He would be for model purposes

[primal merlin]

Yeah for the model. But I wanna know how canonically bald he is.

[mental ice]

Loid would be waxing that baldness so it's nice and shiny

[solid otter]

I miss this.

I miss this form. Let him have the dad bod and the dressing skills of a pothead

[primal merlin]

I wonder if there were any Orokin dad jokes because of the continuity body-swapping.
"You don't look very much like your kids."
"That can be fixed."

[steel kettle]

u can literally see abs

[solid otter]

.... what

No you uh. Can't.

What kinda abs go into the body 💀

[rancid pilot]

He got a singular ab, like a 1 pack

[steel kettle]

darker parts r where his bod touches the shirt no

and lighter parts r crevices

[solid otter]

Also, you can literally see that his hips are here, going outwards as in theres a curve on the stomach

[solid otter]

Do you know how light works

Lighter parts shouldn't be crevices

[steel kettle]

wet shirt

sweaty man

[solid otter]

Thats.

Thats still not how light works

Are you being dense on purpose

Genuine question

Crevices are recesses, where dark goes

Peaks are where light goes

This is like. Basic art

[steel kettle]

ion spend alot of time looking at peoples abdomens

[solid otter]

I do.

I am an artist who draws a lot of men

I know thats not how that works.

[steel kettle]

i only do orthographic drawings w no shading 💔

[solid otter]

So... if you don't know how light works... why did you try to use it as an argument????

When its pretty clear he has a stomach

[steel kettle]

who said im arguing

[solid otter]

... you went in and disagreed with something, and when I said it wasn't that, you doubled down on what you said. That is an argument

[steel kettle]

i j thought they were abs

[solid otter]

And im questioning how you thought that bcs they're not 😭

[steel kettle]

and im answering y i thought that - not arguing

[solid otter]

And you then explained that, which was wrong and not how light works

And you go say... "wet shirt"

[steel kettle]

i explained what i thought

[pure merlin]

Ignore it, he likes to argue about Albrecht

[steel kettle]

my msg got deleted by a bot lol

was lowk tempted to pretend to b stubborn and narrowminded bc i thought thats what he wanted from this interaction

[primal merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-your-mouth-watch-your-profanity-watch-it-gif-5600117

[pure merlin]

Ehh, sometimes it's better to let it go, man just cannot stand someone having a different opinion than him about that sorry excuse of a father

[steel kettle]

ALBRECHT HAS A KID??

[pure merlin]

...Have you been to Deimos ? 😭

[primal merlin]

Coulda fooled Albrecht.

[mighty valley]

albrechts a compelling character

[steel kettle]

thought they were like cousins or sum

[night grail]

No euleria is his daughter

[steel kettle]

cos aging system is unclear

[mighty valley]

i wish we could hear more about quinns relationship with euleria

[pure merlin]

Albrecht is old OLD

[steel kettle]

was tempted to link this as a source jn lol

[mighty valley]

i want more on the holdfasts in general

[steel kettle]

i lowk hate the standing grind everywhere except zariman

luv the quill system

[pure merlin]

That would make the Zariman a little more interesting to go to honestly, if there was a bit more content about it

[steel kettle]

if they add more content i hope they dont obfuscate the standing grind

i need raptwing

[mighty valley]

it will be easier once your standing cap goes up

[primal merlin]

Yeah earlier I don't think the issue was really leaving his family for their safety, so much as faking his death and never revealing the truth even after he was well beyond the point for his family to stop him.

[mighty valley]

it's hard to buy anything as a new player

[steel kettle]

anyway to increase standing other than MR rankup?

[mighty valley]

nope

hop on the grind

[steel kettle]

lord

22k at mr11 is annoying ash

[pure merlin]

I base myself mostly on everything he has done including leaving his family and lying to them
I think he's just straight up evil and hasn't done any of that to keep them safe, if he truly believes so, he's lying to himself
Man has to die

[mighty valley]

the maximum standing cap is 33.5k

[steel kettle]

abysmal

[mighty valley]

albrecht is lowkey the edelgard of warframe

knowers know

[steel kettle]

mayb cos of long lifespan time perception is diff so could be perceived as daddy going away for the week

probably not the case but they old old

[mighty valley]

:albrecht:

[pure merlin]

Nah, he's been gone for a while

[mighty valley]

from the duviri fragments it does seem like albrecht was tortured by his separation from euleria

[pure merlin]

= Marie

[steel kettle]

entrati family literally uses gossip as currency

bad vibe if i ever seen one

[mighty valley]

that's based though

[steel kettle]

feeling shitty for a shitty action doesnt make you any less shitty of a person

[primal merlin]

I mean hell, he'd agree with that last part. I kinda think the "doing it to keep his loved ones safe" part is sort of BS because he's got Loid down there near the murmur with him instead of just using the numerous robots to break that coffin for him.

[night grail]

Used to be 12k

[mighty valley]

i dont know i like albrecht. i think he's a fascinating character. i like his doomed toxic relationship with loid

[steel kettle]

am i wrong tho

[steel kettle]

that makes me feel slightly better

[pure merlin]

Feeling shitting for leaving your daughter to go exploit the one person that's ever loved you, basically torture people with the warframe serum, lie to a priest and a nun that you're their new cardinal and create a father-daughter bond with the nun, only to reveal you've lied to her the whole time and manipulate her to fight your war
Yeah I'd still call him a pretty horrible person, thank god he suffered

[primal merlin]

I mean he's certainly fascinating. Doesn't stop him from being a complete ass though. Both can be true.

[mighty valley]

ah well we've all been there

thats like a normal tuesday for me

[pure merlin]

Also, if we weren't there, the murmur would probably be able to kill everyone and go upstairs and harm his family, how are they safe ?

[steel kettle]

and you hv the nerve to imply im an edgelord 💔

[primal merlin]

I think you need to take a few Tuesdays off dude.

[primal merlin]

Only thing I can think of is "Do you think I had the time and resources to build a second heart of deimos somewhere away from my family?" But that's just speculation without additional information.

[solid otter]

left
left to protect his family

Reminder

He left when Euleria was a full grown adult.

A whole ass woman with kids

[pure merlin]

He'll always be a pretty shitty person, and I hoope we get to kill him for everything he has done

[steel kettle]

i thought you were being hyperbolic but i see it now

[primal merlin]

I'm just saying, he didn't exactly make sure the door in the basement was locked or that the murmur was kept out before he left. We've had two quests down there and we were getting invaded both times.

[solid otter]

Tell me, genuinely, what did he do that roathe didn't? Do you think Roathe is capable of redemption too?

[solid otter]

... because we were there

Us being there caused that

[steel kettle]

roathes nickname is literally the devil 💔

[solid otter]

We woke the murmur up from the labs

[steel kettle]

the devil of tau, but still, the devil of tau

[primal merlin]

If us being away was good enough the Cavia wouldn't keep asking us to do bounties would they?

[pure merlin]

At least Roathe is capable of redemption

[steel kettle]

no clue how comparing them would paint albrecht in a good light

[pure merlin]

They're completely different people too

[steel kettle]

his honoria prices r a scam

[solid otter]

Exactly for this reason why

Why do you think the mass murder is capable of redemption?

The Man who enjoys killing

[pure merlin]

Roathe was a literal war general, killing people was his job
Albrecht freely experimented on people without even thinking how badly it'd affect their lives

[primal merlin]

Cause we can talk him out of a bad choice and we can't seem to do the same with Albrecht, perhaps.

[pure merlin]

Albrecht still deserves the guillotine more than Roathe

[solid otter]

"Albrecht was a doctor, experiementing on people is his job"
Does that make it good?

Genuinely

Roathe killed so many, do you think others didnt feel sad when they died?

[steel kettle]

lowk isnt he just like a higher ranked tenshin

[solid otter]

No, he was second to an executor.

Vice regent grand carnus roathe

[steel kettle]

and tenshin was a general

[solid otter]

Do i even need to pull out continuity and that Roathe was gonna do it again before he learned that the infestation doesnt allow him to?

[primal merlin]

I'm sure the people in 1999 also would've liked Albrecht to figure out an ending that didn't require their city to get nuked. But neither is exactly a good person, it's just that Roathe seems more open to discussion at this point.

[solid otter]

He was a dax. Worth literally nothing.

Dax aren't worth much in the orokin empire. A step above a warframe, which are seen as literal objects

Maybe a step above a grineer

Grand carnus is a orokin army specific rank

[steel kettle]

soooo tenshin is okay because he killed the orokins enemies in person? vs roathe telling people to do it?

[pure merlin]

Okay, dude, I'm going to be clear once and for all, I'm not interested in conversing with you about lore, you do not respect other people's opinion, and theories on the lore
You don't need to answer my messages to attack me, or attempt to prove me wrong, these are still MY opinions. If I believe Albrecht to be an evil piece of shit, then I believe Albrecht to be an evil piece of shit. End of the story. You're absolutely free to convey your opinion, WITHOUT arguing and shitting on others, but I'm not interested

[pure merlin]

Ehhhhhhh, I don't like the dax too much but I'd say Teshin is still a better man than Roathe

[lofty girder]

I thought it was Vice Regent Grand Carnus Admiral General Roathe

[solid otter]

Holy incorrect interpretation

I am not the only one who will tell you that calling Albrecht "an irredeemable piece of shit" is the wrong interpretation to make. That is why roathe is there.

That is why Roathe's whole thing is "if an orokin can be redeemed"????

I aint shitting on you, im just genuinely so tired of people lacking media literacy on a basic idea.

[solid otter]

Ah, last one, thank you

[solid otter]

Its not a problem with you, its a problem with the whole interpretation

[lofty girder]

Albrecht can be redeemed, after i sock him in the face

[solid otter]

And you onto a tirade about me when all I asked was a hypothetical question

What does that say about how you deal with a question to your belief?

Idk if you got wrong info, which can happen

[primal merlin]

I mean shit dude you can't really call someone out for misinterpreting you when you wrote a whole new sentence in quotations like that's what the other person was saying. That's sort of a general thing.

[solid otter]

Pardon, "evil piece of shit"

Who they believe can't be redeemed

[steel kettle]

general thing? i think you mean a vice regent grand carnus admiral general thing

[solid otter]

When factually Albrecht has killed very little, and even then, unlike Roathe, didnt kill because "i wanted to overthrow the government and become a leader"

The nuke was gonna go off even without Albrecht.

[primal merlin]

I was talking more the part about "Albrecht was a doctor, experimenting on people is his job" not being even remotely what Madness was saying, but you kinda just proving the point. You enjoy yourself.

[solid otter]

Its.. the hypothetical.

Albrecht is a doctor. He does stuff doctors do, so if someone's profession excuses them of what they did, like they say with Roathe, then its all good, right?

Thats what I was asking.

[steel kettle]

redemption is subjective. will only ever exist in the eye of the beholder. a murderer can be deemed redeemed by the government and thus let go. however the loved ones of their victims will prolly never believe murderer has truly been redeemed. two people can have different perspectives on whether or not someone is redeemable, AND they can both be true.

[primal merlin]

I mean when I get my PhD is astrophysics I don't necessarily think the purview of my job includes human experimentation, no.

If I sign up to join a war, yeah I'm thinking I'll probably end up shooting something.

[steel kettle]

idk my doctor doesnt nuke cities without helping evacuate em first

[solid otter]

Gonna shock you here, but he is a doctor of many types.

The orokin had schools where Archimedians were taught. Albrecht is likely an Archimedian, albeit that title is overridden by his orokin title. He experiments with infestation. A biological thing. He has biological knowledge. As a probable Archimedian. It is what he does.

[solid otter]

Albrecht didn't nuke the damn city

[primal merlin]

Yes, he just shot the people who were going to stop the nuke. Far more ethical.

[pure merlin]

Doctors also don't pretend to be cardinals of a religion, to indoctrinate and manipulate a priest and a nun into taking a warframe serum and fighting a war when it goes a bit against their religion lol

[solid otter]

And are you gonna hate on the drifter for not killing a known fascist too?

[primal merlin]

We talking Neci? Because it was established she wasn't in control of her mind at that point.

Or are we talking about the fascists that we actually can't kill because they would come back in the time loop.

[steel kettle]

were they christian? becauseeee if so i think that last bit is a lil debateable lol. but yeah i wouldnt say hes exactly someone youd say has good morals

[solid otter]

You do know they willingly took it.

Did you not read the chat where All Albrecht did was read, eat, sleep and prayer? Or are you gonna tell me that him kneeling down to talk to marie was manipulative, instead of basic human interaction????

[solid otter]

Neci was one before she got yoinked by wally.

[pure merlin]

I don't know the exact name of the religion, but they pray to Sol and Lua, which are gods in Warframe's lore

[solid otter]

And no, before you say something about a loop, the loop doesnt exist in xx99.

[steel kettle]

oh then if its j made up religions then i cant say for certain lol

[pure merlin]

I remember having a convo with Marie where you can ask her about her fighting, which goes a bit against her religion or beliefs, I can't remember exactly, I'd have to find it

[solid otter]

Its called Dualism.

[pure merlin]

Or Ducky will correct me later 👀

[solid otter]

Im not even sure the purity aspect even goes into that sect of dualism

And given that the man preaching it currently is viktor, the fascist twink, I don't think we should take it as law

[steel kettle]

i mean lowk if we talking about killcount the tenno has to be like the WORST compared to both roathe and albrecht. unironically at least 100s of millions

[primal merlin]

Still encountered the Indifference at multiple points in her life based on Isleweaver text. And Scaldra implicitly kept its actual cruelty under wraps because Minerva said she had top secret info that could've swayed Neci but wasn't able to provide it.

[steel kettle]

thus my usage of the term "made up religion"

[solid otter]

"But Albrecht hurt innocents!!"

Brother do you think the grineer have any choice in what they're doing

The orokin made a "loyalty" gene.

They are, on a biological level, forced to obey.

"But we're doing it for good"

And Albrecht trying to stop the indifference isnt?

[steel kettle]

actually its shown that they do have a choice lol theres literally a mission where u save peaceful grineer who chose to abandon their queens and are literally called pacifists by the lotus

[solid otter]

You... know memories are altered with wally right?

[solid otter]

Guess what that is!

A genetic defect.

We also kill dax! Who also cannot say no to a kuva holder

[steel kettle]

ru referring to the ones in duiviri

[solid otter]

In the old peace.

[steel kettle]

happens a lil too often to write it off. they are sentient creatures who can choose to do whatever. but yeah they were indoctrinated

[solid otter]

No it

Its literally is what it is

That's what it is

The grineer have a loyalty gene

The defective ones don't

Its likely getting more common because of clonerot

[steel kettle]

so kahl was defective too?

[primal merlin]

Yes? If you're trying to say that surely Wally toyed with the memories of Neci's childhood and made her remember the Indifference more than would've been possible, it's definitely a possibility. But that also requires assuming we're being lied to. So we go with what we're given, partially because Wally doesn't really need a reason to lie to us about Rusalka's childhood of all things.

[solid otter]

He is an interesting case actually

He has one, it just... shifted

Loyalty not to the queens, but to brothers

[steel kettle]

No, hes not. all the brothers he saves also choose to immediately abandon their queen as well. hell of a coincidence for all the captured grineer to be "defective"

[solid otter]

... the indifference wanted to isolate her. Thats why.

If she was to question everything about her childhood, then it would cause unease towards her adoptive parents.

Wally does that a lot.

[solid otter]

... I just said he has the loyalty gene

[steel kettle]

exactly lol. and if we lean too heavily into depending on the assumption of an unreliable narrator as evidence whos to say this isnt actually just a dream in minecraft 2

[steel kettle]

and im saying the loyalty gene doesnt mean hes a thoughtless robot without a mind of his own

[solid otter]

... yes but

Much like the dax, it makes it nigh impossible to defect

[steel kettle]

No, it doesnt

[solid otter]

Also.

THE DAX ARE STILL LIKE THAT

[steel kettle]

weve seen it too often to assume that

[solid otter]

Yes it does???????????

Are you not listening???

Its likely from clonerot

Using the same genetic pool is gonna cause defects

[steel kettle]

nuh uh. his brothers r immediately fine w being disloyal to the queens wo any convincing

[solid otter]

Loyalty shift

Thats what it is. A loyalty shift.

[steel kettle]

the irony is funny

[solid otter]

There's lack of the gene, and the loyalty shift

Those are two different things

[primal merlin]

I don't see what the point of bringing it up is then? All I'm saying is that Neci's basically not in control of her own actions because there's literally something toying with her brain. We don't execute her after we've incapacitated her because we don't know if she's salvageable from the Indifference.

[steel kettle]

sooo we just making things up now. alrighty then

[solid otter]

Because we literally see when she gets got by wally.

We are the cause of that btw

Anyways, we see her get yoinked by wally

Before then, he did not have a hand in her actions

Wally wasn't in 1999 before we let him in, in the ARG

[solid otter]

No????? Thats literally what it is????

[steel kettle]

im assuming youre loyal to someone. was there a time you were loyal to someone else instead? does this mean you are incapable of making your own decisions? do you have a loyalty gene and did a magic loyalty shift happen to you too at some point?

[steel kettle]

icl if they gave us the choice i wouldve offed her too tho 😭

[cerulean kiln]

They aren’t they’re “defective” clones non defective clones can’t just defect and are forced to obey commands

[solid otter]

Do you know how the grineer function?

Kahl had his loyalty shift after he learned the queens (who he is born to be loyal to) never cared to help, much like the brothers.

The grineer queens are orokin. That gene is made for them to obey orokin, much like the dax and their restrictions.

Many, many grineer we kill could deadass be born that very day, without the loyalty shift that can seemingly occur

[steel kettle]

so you think that the three abducted grineer out of the billions there prolly are just happened to be the defective ones?

[solid otter]

Yes... thats.... how that works

The more there is, the more theres gonna be that defect

Along with us enabling jt

[cerulean kiln]

SM only take in the defective ones in the first place

[solid otter]

Comparativly there is a very little amount of defective grineer

[cerulean kiln]

A regular Grineer wouldn’t even think of swapping sides

[steel kettle]

so bottom line, some grineer can make their own decisions? 😱

do you think these grineer were sorted out and spared

[solid otter]

... when they're defective

[solid otter]

They ran away????

They're literally forced to obey the orokin

So when they dont have that gene, they can defy the orokin orders

[primal merlin]

Needed to find it, but the possibility of that is contradicted by other KIM dialogue with Minerva. It is strongly implied that the Indifference had been influencing her for a while, but not necessarily in full control. And Velimir and Minerva recognize the secret code she speaks during Isleweaver and hold out hope that she might not be completely gone either.

"> Could you tell if she was... y'know. "Him" yet?

Velimir: she sounded like our little girl, if that's what you're asking. knew what to say and how to say it.
Minerva: But all good hostage takers know how to make their captive birds sing on command.
Minerva: That doesn't mean anything about when, or how, this "Indifference" took her.
Minerva: Or who was driving her body when we spoke to her that day.
Velimir: i don't know how one finds a god and punches it in the [REDACTED] face but i'm gonna [REDACTED] try
Velimir: but she sounded... stressed. you could hear it."

[steel kettle]

ok assuming thats even true - tie that back into your point abt how albrecht is just not that bad of a guy lol

[cerulean kiln]

The real question should be

Why don’t the Queen ever just make a Grineer act as a spy to run away and then take out the defective?

[steel kettle]

nah they didnt. when kahl releases em the first line the released one has is "for the queens" showing they were in service at the time of abduction

[steel kettle]

btw nemesis this convo isnt even abt grineer, its about albrecht having a dad bod and not being that bad of a guy

to put it as concisely as i can

[steel kettle]

was the redacted part redacted in game?

[primal merlin]

Yeah he just swears.

[steel kettle]

idk why they ban swearing on the disc too if theyre gonna hv it in game

[primal merlin]

I guess KIM bands strong profanity.

[steel kettle]

wait misread mb

[primal merlin]

Also tbf the Discord doesn't have a profanity filter option so I guess that's why they broadly ban it here.

[cerulean kiln]

Because discord isn’t the game and servers set their own rules

[steel kettle]

both run and owned by the same people

idk i j assumed a more universal community/company communication policy makes sense

[cerulean kiln]

This server is mostly managed by the mods rather than DE themselves

[steel kettle]

according to rules set by DE

[primal merlin]

By default most swearing is censored in-game. You have to manually turn that off to see people type it in chat. It's consistent with the Discord technically.

[steel kettle]

you can ask em, ive asked em before

[steel kettle]

did that years ago so i forgot lol

[cerulean kiln]

And those rules set by DE don’t want their community swearing

[steel kettle]

im aware

[solid otter]

Okay, so

Albrecht compared to Roathe is incapable of redemption because ..?

Roathe: killed thousands, made us kill dax who physically cannot say no, the reason adis is dead, wanted to kill us, lied. A lot, indirectly responsible for the regression of countless on tau

Which, mind you, as far as I know, mostly doesn't even feel bad for

Albrecht: infested people who either willingly did so, or didn't know fully, left his family because if he stayed, he would've allowed them to be harmed. Lied, allowed the nuke that he couldn't have possibly stopped to go on, animal experimentation

They're equal, if not Albrecht is better because he is going it for a good reason.

[steel kettle]

didnt he shoot the guy who was about to disable the nuke...

[solid otter]

One dude

[steel kettle]

🤯

[solid otter]

One dude compared to the literal thousands Roathe made us and himself kill

Who. Mind you, would come back!

With no memories of that!

[steel kettle]

ok so what would happen if he didnt shoot the dude

[undone lodge]

The guy who was going too slow to stop it

[solid otter]

The nuke wouldve still gone off

[undone lodge]

Hence why we even teach him to use a Parazon in the Good Ending

[cerulean kiln]

It would’ve looped anyway

[steel kettle]

ok so he shot someone for no reason then

[solid otter]

Would you run the risk of it?

[steel kettle]

nice pfp btw

[steel kettle]

make up your mind. would they have stopped the nuke or not. youre switching it to whatevers most convenient to justify your bias

[solid otter]

What.

Im saying regardless if Amir could or couldn't stop the nuke, Albrecht could not have ran the risk of him being able to do it

Because Albrecht did not know for sure

[primal merlin]

Some corrections:

• The Dax are literally rebelling in the Perita Rebellion and try to kill an Executor in that escort mission section of the quest.
• Roathe strongly expresses remorse in his voice mails involving his fallen comrades and has the end goal of wanting to destroy the orokin empire because he hates the atrocities.
• Albrecht was absolutely not honest with most of the Hex about the nature of the serum.
• It's kind of questionable if it was entirely for the family's safety given Loid was still with him and they were in love. You could say that he needed Loid for the research, but Eularia is smarter and actually happened across the Indifference's weakness.

[cerulean kiln]

Yes, Drifter would’ve came back eventually and just done it via transference like we saw

[steel kettle]

so tldr he couldve possibly prevented the nuke from going off

[solid otter]

They're rebelling.. under orokin orders....

[solid otter]

No?????

[steel kettle]

is this ragebait

[cerulean kiln]

The nuke was needed for Albrecht to escape

[steel kettle]

well aware

[solid otter]

Also wild to call Euleria smarter than Loid when loid is who literally taught her shit about the void

Albrecht also was, i was talking about the triad specifically

[primal merlin]

They still try to assassinate an executor.

[solid otter]

UNDER OROKIN ORDERS BY ANOTHE OROKIN

AN OROKIN TOLD THEM TO DO THAT.

[steel kettle]

remind me what he needed to do after his escape again. not giving you sass, i genuinely dont remember

[cerulean kiln]

“Murmur expelled, Tau is in sight they’ve given their lives for this make it count”

[steel kettle]

ru j tryna say dax lives matter more than grineer or sum

[solid otter]

Also, if remorse absolves of crimes, then Albrecht did nothing.

[solid otter]

WHERE THE SHIT DID YOU GET THAT FROM????

[steel kettle]

i luv that scene

[steel kettle]

comparing the dax genocide to grineer genocide

[solid otter]

WHAT

Dude.

One, its not genocide

Two, they're equally bad????

Im just going off the dax now because you refused to accept that the grineer couldn't choose shit

[steel kettle]

based on anecdotal evidence lol

[solid otter]

... no

[primal merlin]

You can be smarter than the people who teach you.

Also I'm gonna need you to tell me where it was said that the Anarchs were under orders from another Orokin directly. The conflict was orchestrated by the Executors, but that's not equivalent to being ordered.

[solid otter]

WHO DO YOU THINK IS ORDERING THEM TO DO SHIT

OH
I DONT KNOW.

THE LITERAL MUCKING GENERAL

[steel kettle]

youve been given many contradictions to your blanket statement and u brush it off as rare exceptions 💔

[solid otter]

VICE REGENT GRAND CARNUS ADMIRAL ROATHE?????

[solid otter]

You. You did this.

Im using the dax because we are very clearly told they can't harm kuva holders

Or, disobey orders from them

Thats in the war within

[steel kettle]

we really using "no you" in 2026 gng?

[solid otter]

What are you on about

Genuinely

[cerulean kiln]

No, that's using we've had lore explaining that for a long time

[primal merlin]

The background of the Anarch Faction is that they're defectors who are pissed about the peace because they aren't getting the land they were promised on Tau after fighting the sentients. They're literally called "Separatists."

[solid otter]

Im just curious of why you think Euleria is smarter than Loid?

Is it because Loid is not an orokin?

He proves able enough to keep up with Albrecht, if not improve on Albrecht's work

[steel kettle]

i brought up lore too but apparently mines the rare exception lol

[solid otter]

Because... your lore is based on a gameplay aspect....

[steel kettle]

voicelines in game 😱

oh no what an unreliable source

[solid otter]

What, that there's Hundreds of defectors?

[cerulean kiln]

Tbh that doesn't say he's smarter than Eurelia but he's not stupid either

[solid otter]

Brother where are the hundreds of defectors

You talk about an amount with no confirmed number as if its solid

[steel kettle]

that the three total grineer that were shown to hv been in service to the queens at the time of abduction changing their minds wasnt because of some astronomically low odds of each of them being defective

[solid otter]

Which.. is the loyalty shift... after being forced to acknowledge that the queens wouldnt come for them....much like kahl....

[steel kettle]

have u taken highschool stats yet or ru sticking to ur interpretation of animated cutscenes being 10x more canon than voicelines

[steel kettle]

perhaps being loyal one second and disloyal in the second second (lol) could show that perhaps they can make their own decisions 😱

[solid otter]

What...?

[solid otter]

Holy shit you are condescending.

[steel kettle]

.

[steel kettle]

was the second second not kinda funny

[primal merlin]

Most of the lore I'm re-reading says that Euleria was practically Albrecht's colleague, assisting with his experiments and writing various theories and works about spacetime. She also wrote a children's book to explain to kids how to not bungle up with emotions in the void. In contrast, I'm not seeing much about Loid's contributions so if you could please point out where I'd find that Loid was a larger factor with Albrecht's studies.

[steel kettle]

sounded funny to me

second second

lol

[primal merlin]

Frankly so is putting "..." around almost everything like you need to slow down your speech or add dramatic pauses for people, but you do you.

[steel kettle]

was the book just mentioned or can we read/inspect it a lil?

[solid otter]

... Loid helped make the vessles???? Loid helped with the cavia, Loid actively helps Albrecht through the labs as mother retreated to the necralisk, he also helped Albrecht after the family got cut off

[steel kettle]

he did the thing

[primal merlin]

The Theories of Time are on the wiki, but I can't find the aforementioned "Palimpsest of Spacetime."

[solid otter]

Also the one book she did write on that theory was also co-authored BY ALBRECHT

The theories of time isnt something thats new

[solid otter]

Yeah

The book co-authored by her father.

[steel kettle]

wait im a lil lost what does whos smarter than who contribute to albrecht morality

[solid otter]

Ig loid being responsible for the vessles arent good enough

[primal merlin]

And the vessels and cavia co-created by Albrecht. I at least know Euleria contributed enough to be labeled as a Co-Author instead of just a contributor. And if Loid helped make the vessels then I'd gladly give it to him, but I don't know how much of them he designed vs just helped produce after Albrecht did the design phase.

[solid otter]

... he literally points out to Albrecht to hybridise the grey strain and the helminth

Also, consider that Loid is a servant and likely can't be labelled as any form of help???

[undone lodge]

As an assistant to a higher caste member and a newer character Loid’s inherently going to have less credit for things, especially when most of the things that either him or Euleria could have potentially worked on don’t actually have a presence in the lore due to lack of relevancy + him being the newer character

[steel kettle]

@undone lodge where ru getting the screenshots of dialogue btw?

[cerulean kiln]

KIM

Or well the website with all the KIM stuff

Kimulacrum

[solid otter]

Also

Albrecht should be labelled as a co-author for duviri because the characters made are his for Euleria when she was a child, right?

[steel kettle]

website on the hex computer or irl?

[undone lodge]

Aside from that, with him being Albrecht’s assistant while he was researching Void stuff and Euleria was being raised gives him a good few years more experience than her, especially since he was the only one that stayed aside from her

[cerulean kiln]

Irl has a website that has all the KIM convos

[steel kettle]

thx

[solid otter]

Idk, clearly Albrecht shouldn't have tried to kill himself when Euleria needed him

Or something

[primal merlin]

Reading through the albrecht notes and I do see Loid point out the Grey Strain, but it's followed by Albrecht saying that this was his inspiration for doing the rest of the work with the vessels. Not seeing Loid as part of the design phase otherwise, unless there's something else I haven't read.

[solid otter]

... do you honestly think it was Albrecht who built all of that?

Btw, theres a theory going around that Albrecht cut the family off before duviri, so Loid is probably directly responsible for a lot in the sanctum.

[steel kettle]

loid is sus

[solid otter]

Euleria wrote

A children's book based on shit her father told her as a kid

Co-authored another book with her father

[primal merlin]

Do I think Albrecht built all of it himself? No. Could I believe Albrecht designed all of it and then had Loid help him construct everything? Yes. My point was "how much of the design is Loid's contribution vs him just assisting with the construction after the design phase."

[solid otter]

And somehow that makes her smarter than loid?

[cerulean kiln]

We don't know who is actually smarter

Eurelia vs Loid void science knowledge when DE?

[primal merlin]

This is the correct take. I'm just saying I think Euleria is smarter cause I've got more clear documentation of what she's done over Loid.

[solid otter]

SHE DIDNT DO SHIT?????

[steel kettle]

we both know its gonna end up being kalymos

[solid otter]

Oh my days.

She hasnt written anything without her father being involved

Albrecht was involved with Duviri!

[primal merlin]

You say that like Loid's done any independent research aside from trying to track down Albrecht.

[steel kettle]

tbh if i published alot and bonded w my dad over that and he suddenly dipped on me id prolly stop too cos feels wrong to do it wo him

[solid otter]

He wouldve to become what he is??? He literally serves archimedians as his whole purpose in life.

That is his job

His job is to do that shit

[cerulean kiln]

Tbh Albrecht just gave ideas he didn't physically do anything when the book was actually being made

[solid otter]

Loid is also responsible for archon shards and fusion behind them

That was something he did

[primal merlin]

I'm seeing that the assistants to the Archimedeans are specifically trained to serve them. And given that I don't know how these people were selected or if they were always meant to be actual research assistants vs glorified secretaries, I'm going to withhold judgment.

Also Loid was tasked with Archon Shard studies, though the current modern application of it with fusion was at least partially adapted because of Son's work.

[balmy storm]

Thomas is like
the Loid expert

[solid otter]

Considering that's exactly what why you think Euleria is smarter than Loid, id wager this is a good rebuttal for the argument, if not more because Loid is only basing this on samples, over literally working with the man who made the theory

[solid otter]

I am not an expert, simply an enthusiast

Also! Ducky! Youre always the one to quote it

"What is the core thesis of 'The Palimpsest of Spacetime'?
A: Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist"

This is funny cuz if im understanding this right

The definition of palimpsest is that

a manuscript or piece of writing material on which later writing has been superimposed on effaced earlier writing.

[balmy storm]

yeah it literally is what it means lol

spacetime is a palimpsest

[pure merlin]

Are y'all still arguing about Albrecht 👀

[balmy storm]

ofc the tricky part is actually rewriting over stuff, but its still the same piece of paper no matter what you change
some changes may get lost but are still there

[balmy storm]

also also you're the closest thing in my head lmao

if I wondered what his favorite color is I'd prob ask you first

[solid otter]

Yay im useful

[solid otter]

Idk why but I think it would be like. Idk.

That colour between glass, that weird green-blue

[balmy storm]

Oh so kinda close to mine, similar to Olo?
But greener maybe

[solid otter]

Mm, slightly greener yeah

[balmy storm]

Wait Olo is just Limbo’s energy colors…

[solid otter]

HEHEHEH

[balmy storm]

Man that coincidence just gets deeper lmao

[solid otter]

Insert that cy line

[balmy storm]

Yeah I love that green!

[solid otter]

Loid just looks like he likes either green or yellow

Maybe bcs I like green and yellow....

[balmy storm]

(when attempting to interact with Reliquary Drive, variant) Cephalon Cy: "Crew. A colour you have never seen – imagine it. That is where you are."

[solid otter]

Mm, even more weirder 😭

Wonder if DE knows now

[balmy storm]

Idk if he would have seen them but I can see him longing for green fields with yellow flowers

[balmy storm]

If they don’t I hope they do and utilize it
It’s the coolest coincidence ever

[solid otter]

I mean

He must've gotten Tagfer and Minn somehow

[steel kettle]

i think so?? but apparently it depends on how much credit he takes???? im so lost dawg

[balmy storm]

Like absolutely no possible connection but
It’s so weird how well it works

[balmy storm]

Loid’s been to the Plains of Eidolon

Probably pre-eidolon lmao

[solid otter]

Albrecht just doesnt go outside

[balmy storm]

Oh for sure

[solid otter]

No but he is kinda real for it

He was deemed insane so. Maybe they wouldve bonked him

Mm, reckon Loid would buy flowers for the entrati family's dinner table? I hope he would

[undone lodge]

Of course not

Modern Grocers are much too unreliable

He’d grow them himself

[balmy storm]

Loid had a garden

I agree with this

[solid otter]

ACTU

THE ENTRATI DID HAVE A GARDNEN

THEY HAD GARDENS

SON MENTIONS THEM WHEN TALKING AVOUT LOID

HOLY SHIT

Im so smart

[cerulean kiln]

When are you going to admit you aren't just a Loid enthusiast?

[solid otter]

When I die

[pure merlin]

When are we going to admit that Loid's glasses are fire

[solid otter]

I want them but instead we got those stupid ass Archimedian ones

[pure merlin]

Like, where can I get those?? Immaculate fashion

[solid otter]

I DONT LIKENYOU ITZAM.

[cerulean kiln]

Looks like it's time to blow up the sun then

[solid otter]

Do not

I need the sun its a partial part of the power system here

I need to draw old man yaoi its my job

[balmy storm]

Don’t be mean to him ):

[steel kettle]

is it actually

[pure merlin]

Do you all remember when our one and true savior tried to eat the sun?

[balmy storm]

What did itzam do ):

[pure merlin]

Good times, good times

[solid otter]

Yeah I get paid sometimes to draw old men kissing

[balmy storm]

Praghasa aka our grandma?
Surely you don’t mean anyone else

[pure merlin]

Of couuurse noooooot

[steel kettle]

lord i wish i could make a living off that

[balmy storm]

I mean nobody else there had the ability to do that soooo

[solid otter]

No you dont this shit sucks its drained me and my love for old man yaoi

[balmy storm]

[pure merlin]

Yeah, nobody else

[balmy storm]

No but fr he didnt

[pure merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframeballas-ballas-gif-903064965064944974

[balmy storm]

That was pragahsa lol

[steel kettle]

wont drain me if it wasnt there in the first place 💔

[pure merlin]

Ik lmfao, I stayed ambigious on purpose

[balmy storm]

I mean her corpse piloted by him but still

Bro was losing the plot at the end

[pure merlin]

He got a very nice helmet in the end so it worked out for him

[balmy storm]

“Wah wah the kids whos mom i killed dont like me wah wah im gonna kill everyone??? to go to a system of beings that will prob just shoot me on sight!”

[balmy storm]

Very cool vr headset

Good thing he’s just playing video games now and totally not being bacon!

[pure merlin]

He could've went to the gym instead jesus

I wonder what blue bacon tastes like

[steel kettle]

prolly green bacon without the yellow

[balmy storm]

His specifically would be rotten

[steel kettle]

so ask dr seuss

[pure merlin]

Ew, doesn't sound appetizing

[undone lodge]

Meat blueberries

[undone lodge]

Die

[pure merlin]

That would be insane if when we arrive to Tau, it's like, sandy destroyed, with a bunch of zombified Dax and sentients

Bringing back the horror in warframe

[balmy storm]

It would be neat to see some eidolon enemies

I do hope we get into some good horror again

Though I forgot that technically every new frame is some new type of body horror lol

[pure merlin]

We only have 2 jumpscares in the game and a spooky quest 😔
Unless you count Umbra's quest as spooky too since you clearly see his original rotten body

More spooky quest please

[uncut solar]

Energy spike, I advise falling back

[supple dagger]

hi

[balmy storm]

I wouldn’t even count Lizzie’s lmao

[pure merlin]

Why not ? 😔

[balmy storm]

Cause it’s like
The worst jumpscare ever

[lofty girder]

Its the 90s

[balmy storm]

Sonic.exe aah image
A terribly unscary noise
And I know she can do better!

[obtuse gyro]

BOO! PIXELS!

[balmy storm]

She’s infested
I refuse to believe she’s being that limited

[pure merlin]

At 2am in a summer night when you're fibbling exhausted and don't expect it, you do see it in your dreams after tho 👀

[balmy storm]

Lmao

Someone got spooked

[pure merlin]

Delete this comment, no one must know, horror games do not scare me 😔

Spooked ? never heard of this

[balmy storm]

[pure merlin]

Thinking back on it, the guitar sounds going with the image is fibbling hilarious tho

[cobalt scroll]

tbh DE should make Lizzie whisper into our ears like how Rell did in his quest

and to make it more creepy, it would be her unfiltered voice (without a tune)

[pure merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-heavy-creepy-sir-space-cow-gif-19500873

[uncut solar]

But what if she was whispering something nice to your ears

[pure merlin]

Like what? 👀

[undone lodge]

“Twinke Twinkle little star…”

[pure merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-gif-8054955225125922559

[hardy fossil]

Does anyone know when DE are gonna fix the issue with kim chats?

[zenith jacinth]

Soon™

[undone lodge]

Its ongoing

They’ve already put out two

[hardy fossil]

Thank you 🙏

[pure merlin]

What's that? And why do I have one

[fierce kiln]

orokin vaults in deimos derelicts give you them but they no longer serve a purpose other than feeding it to the helminth

they were used to build void keys which were originally the way to access the void missions

[pure merlin]

Uh, lame

[cobalt scroll]

may I ask what is the problem on your side?

[hardy fossil]

Kim is locked cant get any convos, loved by marie best friend with Lyon and close to Roathe who is anathema

The crazy part is he was not before the update 😂

[grim totem]

did teshin got a different voice actor for duviri? he sounds different from the "steel path" teshin

[rancid pilot]

Nope, it's still Sean Phillips, probably just the difference in direction, Duviri Teshin is more tired and weary

[balmy storm]

He did almost die tbf

[lofty girder]

He's dropped the Dax bravado

[pliant sandal]

the could be used to open new vaults in the void if DE likes the idea

[flat magnet]

i thought void keys just dropped i dont remember building them

[pliant sandal]

they do drop now yes

[flat magnet]

i meant in the past

[mental ice]

Every single time I finish granum void, I look at this and imagine that one day this closed hand will show me a middle finger.... 😅

[hybrid marlin]

Thats not family friendly parvos

[lofty girder]

If DE made it a 1 in a 1000 it be incredibly funny

[quick smelt]

Make it even rarer
And momentarily there

So even if someone sees it, it would go back to normal

“No one will ever believe you.”

[thick jolt]

You remember right

Only thing i remember those things being used for was mirage's quest

[worn fjord]

Looks like I missed a lot too. Anyways the whole redemption thing is not so black and white in a story like Warframe. In a society that the Orokin grew up on. Where what was normal to them is not even remotely normal to us.

I’ve also stated to Roathe before— “There have to be deeds that are evil purely on their own” and that “I do think actions can be good or evil outside of their social context. Otherwise, why would so many of them be similar across vastly different societies?” (and I don’t think the writer was talking about Orokin society here but irl societies)

In the end though, I still stand by what Drifter said, “There are some times when forgiveness isn't possible for people to muster for those who have hurt them. Certainly not now, and maybe not ever. And either way, it's not up for us to decide if and when Tagfer forgives Entrati. That's up to Tagfer.”(This also applies to all morally dubious characters and their victims)

[worn fjord]

I reckon DE designed it that way on purpose. They know what they were doing lol, I refuse to believe otherwise

[pure merlin]

I mean, whever Albrecht is forgiven or not by his family and the people he pretty much tortured, at the end of the day it will be up to DE. Still doesn't mean we can't hate the guy for everything he has done that's just horrifying
We hate Ballas, he did some truly horrible, I can't remember if it was him that ordered for Jade to be changed into a warframe, but that's one of many things he has (maybe) done. We hate a man for changing a pregnant, innocent woman into a warframe for being in love with a man, but nobody hates Albrecht for giving the serum to a young girl who lived through horrible things in her life and was potentially depressed and saw it as her way out, without understanding the consequences and how it would affect her.
That's just two examples of many really, where I personally cannot say Albrecht ever had good intentions. It may be "normal" for the Orokins to experiment on humans, or even endangered animals, but in our world, as you said, people would go beat up someone like Albrecht

Well, there's characters lining up for that ingame 👀

[solid otter]

Young girl being...?

He offered her it?? There was consent???

If you mean Marie, then you got that wholly wrong

She knew the consequences.

Roathe was right in front of her.

[ivory ridge]

Have fun with your migraine 😑✌️

[solid otter]

Don't think shes some innocent "im helpless and a damsel in distress" woman.

She fully knew what it would do

[worn fjord]

It really will be up to DE with how the story goes yeah. And yea people are valid to their opinions on what they feel about Ballas, Entrati, Roathe, etc.

Marie, Lyon and Roathe took the serum willingly fyi— only the Hex and others didn’t

[solid otter]

Even then with the hex im like

[pure merlin]

I meant Kaya, but yeah

[solid otter]

Girl did you not realise that the injections are doing that to your friends???

[pure merlin]

Either way, I'm done talking about this, if it's to be attacked constantly

[solid otter]

????

Dude???? You asked if folk are still talking about it

You asked?????

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[worn fjord]

Look it’s my fault for replying

Thomas pls

[solid otter]

And to compare Albrecht to a literal narcissistic abuser is wild

[solid otter]

Its their fault for asking!

If they dont want to be "attacked" then dont say anything????

[worn fjord]

It’s their right to have an opinion though

[solid otter]

Yes, it is, but they cant go around expressing it not expecting others to disagree!

especially online

[pure merlin]

Not your fault at all dw boo

I'm just letting you know I'm not willing to theorise about this character anymore. Seems to bring the worse in some people (not you)

[solid otter]

Ill be so deadass

[undone lodge]

Just the Hex

The others all knew

[pure merlin]

I wonder why Minerva and Velimir would accept the serum if they were already crazy good spies tho

[solid otter]

Its a personal matter. Its a personal matter for me.

I hate it when people try to villainise people who had to leave their family because they're putting them at risk.

Like damn guess you want the family to die then????

[lofty girder]

No matter what happens i reserve the right to pimp slap albrecht once

[worn fjord]

Albrecht leaving the family for their safety was not wrong, we weren’t talking about that. Imo the experimentation (which he feels guilty about in the notes) is what I still think about. Again, it’s up to Tagfer to forgive, so that’s that

[solid otter]

Yeah. And thats fair!

[worn fjord]

Real lol

[solid otter]

Nah it was apart of the earlier thing

Blaming Albrecht for shit

Folk blamed Albrecht for how his daughter stabbed her husband ffs

Like dawg

She is a grown ass woman

That was her choice to make.

[worn fjord]

She was determined to find Entrati, desperately. She was very impacted by what happened but what she did to Vilcor was through her actions. That’s why mending the family was even a thing in the story. And it was up to Vilcor to forgive her (although DE is building the narrative)

Some would argue— if Albrecht didn’t leave, it wouldn’t have led to that, and I get where they’re coming from, and as much as I’m not over/despise the experimentations he did, Entrati was only thinking about getting the Indifference away from his family. He didn’t think about how leaving Eurelia would impact her to that degree. And it is disheartening what Eurelia went through in his absence

[solid otter]

Though, I am curious

Why do you think she was obsessed with finding him in the void, if Albrecht told her he was going to allow himself to die?

[thick jolt]

She probably knew her father better than he thought

[worn fjord]

Also because of the whole Sheriglass stuff gave her an idea I assume

[pure merlin]

I wonder what the seriglass tastes like

[cerulean kiln]

It's tastless

[pure merlin]

Are you suuure?

[cerulean kiln]

Glass hasn't got an actual taste and that realistically would apply to a shard if you could even physically try getting a taste off of it

[pure merlin]

You could have just said blueberry 😔

[thick jolt]

Blood cause seriglass is sharp chances are you wont really taste much after it

[undone lodge]

Who says you need chew it? Just lick

And after a lick I can confirm. Salty af

[cerulean kiln]

Could've said blueberry but you're asking in a channel with lore people that give logical answers

[pure merlin]

I'm sorry, you licked what?

[undone lodge]

Nowhere near blueberry 😔

[undone lodge]

A pane of seriglass

[pure merlin]

I was just trying to be funny 😔

[cerulean kiln]

How about you try licking Kuva to see what it tastes like

[thick jolt]

Forbidden kool aid

[zenith jacinth]

blood

[pure merlin]

Didn't some people here say Orokins used to drink/eat kuva ?

[zenith jacinth]

. . .

[undone lodge]

Drinking it was how they did Continuity

[zenith jacinth]

baffling

[pure merlin]

That sounds fun

[undone lodge]

It wasn’t like, a food thing

[zenith jacinth]

my flabbers are ghasted

[cerulean kiln]

When are we gonna get the Continuity Continuty cause there's the bluva that could still be fictional

[undone lodge]

Also you could get “kuva jolted” and melted so you probably wouldn’t be able to have much anyway

[zenith jacinth]

wdym still be functional

kuva is also still functional

the grineer queen(formerly queens) uses it

[real niche]

The Kuva she (formerly they) gets isn't refined enough apparently

[lofty girder]

Needs to be higher octane

[mental ice]

Important lore question, would it be possible to make alcohol out of kuva? 🤔

[balmy storm]

It is a fluid
Can you make alcohol out of any fluid?
Maybe an infused wine?

[real niche]

There's fermented stuff that isn't wine nor even an alcohol so unless we know what it's actually made of, it's just as likely to make yogurt or worchestershire sauce

[mental ice]

I think Teshin called Kuva a corrupting oil, so if it's like oil, perhaps it could be used to fry mushrooms 🤔

oil...lube...... can Kuva be used as a lube? 😐

If teshin refers to it as an oil, then it would be oily in consistency

[elfin imp]

Ok at first it was neutral as in "cant progress further" earlier today and now its like this. What's going on?

[limpid gale]

What if Kuva is a mixture of liquid and spices

[worn fjord]

What’s your last chat with Roathe?

And Marie and Lyon for that matter

[hardy fossil]

@elfin imp Ihave the exact same issue and daily resets dont do shit.

[worn fjord]

It might be the same issue yea😭 I just want to double check everything beforehand

[hardy fossil]

My chats is corrupted, I actually typed I do to lyon when asked if I wanted his help with roathe, you remember I posted a picture here, now it says I choosed End.???

[worn fjord]

Damn that’s.. a new bug actually

But I hope it’s just a visual bug and not something that changed your choices

DE mentioned that chat history that has been changed are just visual bugs so

[hardy fossil]

Oohh I do hope soo too this is really irritating I want the cut scene

And daily resets dont give me any convos whatsoever

[hardy fossil]

Ohh ffs

Sorry for the bad language 😥

[worn fjord]

They are working on it though dw

[hardy fossil]

Thats something at least

[worn fjord]

It can be frustrating ik so again dw

[hardy fossil]

@worn fjord Thank you for your help and your time

[worn fjord]

I didn’t do much rn but you’re welcome!!

[hardy fossil]

Well a respons to my frustration and a convo goes a long way 🙏

[pure merlin]

So a broth?

[limpid gale]

Yeah that! (I’m not very smart sometimes)

[pure merlin]

Kuva soup

[waxen sphinx]

You know what would be a cool thing? A captura scene that has the prime Vanguard in the background

[worn fjord]

Yea their entrance in the boss fights looked epic (and it’s just them there lined up ik but it was cool)

[waxen sphinx]

The picture potential would be amazing!

[rancid pilot]

Perhaps a Kuva aioli, with a filet of murkray fried in condroc fat

[ornate oak]

I thought I had safely gotten out of dealing with this but apparently flirting with her earlier when I didn't know how bad the polyamory was implemented has locked me into confronting this directly... DX

[pastel pasture]

frankly i think i'd rather DE have just ignored it

you can date both triad and hex, no explanation, never mentioned

[zenith jacinth]

They were going to and got backlash for it

[pastel pasture]

frankly I think DE needs to stop listening to the vocal players so much

[flat magnet]

Backlash for what?

[pastel pasture]

tell them the good ol "you control the buttons you press"

[ornate oak]

I mean, the fact that they didn't just leave it at "Time travel doesn't count" is a good thing IMO, but the band aid wasn't great.

[zenith jacinth]

"It's not cheating if it's time travel"

[pastel pasture]

thats what im saying though

they should have just not acknowledged it at all

almost to the point you wonder if its unintentional

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah.. no. Not for this. They absolutely should listen

[pastel pasture]

imma say it

you control the buttons you press

[zenith jacinth]

It was too late for that

[flat magnet]

Don’t each hex member acknowledge it? I haven’t gotten the romance option yet with Marie but afaik Eleanor is just jealous she can’t experience anything with Marie

[ornate oak]

They made really detailed and reaction characters with deep backstories and personalities and then expected people not to care about them enough to feel like it was kinda weird to be cheating on them?

[pastel pasture]

they all say the same thing

[flat magnet]

Ahh

[zenith jacinth]

Tf does that mean

[pastel pasture]

"It's okay you're really important to me so they are. I just wish I could meet them"

[pastel pasture]

if you don't like video game cheating you are free to not video game cheat

i don't like it. im only doing it for the honorias and I fully plan to only date one person once im done collecting

[zenith jacinth]

Then give me an option to be consensually poly

[ornate oak]

Yeah, they originally weren't going to though apparently. That was only implemented because of tthe backlash, and the way they acknowledge it feels like the last minute addition is was. DX

[flat magnet]

I see

[pastel pasture]

i think we're talking about different timelines.

I am talking about the timeline DE didn't fan the flames and barely even mentioned that you could date two people

[zenith jacinth]

This also completely ignores the fact that lettie and arthur are actively against being poly

[pastel pasture]

ty for mentionign Arthur

nobody does

[zenith jacinth]

A hypothetical timeline that doesn't matter

[ornate oak]

Like, basically, you start a relationship with the Triad before saying anything to the Hex, then talk abotuit afterwards, asking forgivness rather than permission isn't a great way to maintain trust in a relationship. It probably would have been ahrder to do it the other way of course.

[pastel pasture]

sure we can agree that in this time line, with the flame fanning and drawing attention to it, that consent convos were needed

however they are garbo and should have been done better :3

even if it's everyone's okay with it at least have it more then the same dang thing

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[pastel pasture]

have Lettie being against it but Drifter convinces them.

Have Amir be anxious about it (okay he already is but more focused anxiety) and Drifter reassures them

[zenith jacinth]

It's blatantly a "oh crap the players actually have morals" last second fix

[pastel pasture]

instead of just this over and over

[ornate oak]

Well, I got distracted trying to decide if I wanna just give this as much concern as the devs did and date both and pretend it wasn't poorly written, or directly turn down Marie... and now it's daily reset. DX

[pastel pasture]

and secondly

if flirting with Marie sets a flag for confessing interesting then that's dumb

because you can platonically flirt with Quincy

[zenith jacinth]

Can't with marie

[pastel pasture]

but you should be able to

she can shut it down but you should be able to without it being a love confession

[zenith jacinth]

Any flirting option is [confess feelings]

[pastel pasture]

lame

[confess feeligns] yo girl yo mama give you those apples?

[zenith jacinth]

She's not the person for that

[rancid pilot]

Aren't their playful lines that sort of skirt the edge of filrting and banter?

[pastel pasture]

yes

you can say you want to be hunted and Marie makes a sound

[steep totem]

Not how I read the "What if I said I was more interested in you?" line in the first Faith convo

[zenith jacinth]

[steep totem]

Not a [Confess Feelings]
But it is totally flirting

[zenith jacinth]

Wow understanding subtext is apparently harder than I thought

[ornate oak]

I never picked confess feelings. Any flirting apparently forces you to reject or accept her directly because she confronts you about it.

[zenith jacinth]

Right

Blanket statement

I need to stop using those

[steep totem]

tbf, I am guilty of those myself on occasion

[ornate oak]

Samesies!

[steep totem]

And now I have this in my head on repeat

https://tenor.com/view/sith-obi-wan-falsedichotomy-gif-7708366

sigh

[zenith jacinth]

I'm absolutely not evil

[rancid pilot]

Honestly, I think dating Triad and Hex simultaneously is a bit of eating your cake and having it too. And it compromises certain characters (mostly drifter). Like on one hand, it's awful the idea of breaking up with your previous partner just to date the new one, but flipside a bit over indulgent for drifter

[ornate oak]

Well, I missed a day talking to the Triad cause of moral crisis about cheating on a videogame character. DX

I guess in the end i should worry about it as much as the devs. If they decide I should have cared more about it later then I can complain about it then. 🤣

[rugged scarab]

2026 spoiler, ferrari double dnf

[acoustic hill]

I thought they explained they were working on the consent mechanic within like 30 minutes of making that joke

[acoustic hill]

Is there any way to ask the hex member you're dating before starting something with someone in TDT? Looking at an option to confess to Marie rn but I haven't talked to Eleanor

[bold night]

Loid just asked me to come make sure that he is at one piece in the neckralisk… the cutscene isn’t playing

[worn fjord]

Are you at R5 with the Entrati family?

[bold night]

I’m probably r4…

[rain otter]

Well get on it buster.

[bold night]

Damn it I’m role 3😭😭😭

[worn fjord]

Get to R5 and then go to the Necralisk to get the cutscene

[bold night]

Ty

[rain otter]

It's easy to rank them up.

[bold night]

Yeah

[rain otter]

It's just do the rank 5 Bounty

For 18k standing

[worn fjord]

Yea do Iso Vault Tier 3 bounty

[rain otter]

Unmodified.

[rain otter]

Not for just standing.

A normal tier 5 not SP is better for standing.

[bold night]

I needa get sum weird bottles for r4 rank up..

[rain otter]

From son.

You should just be able to get the BP from son.

[bold night]

Ty

[delicate lagoon]

I'm replaying The Sacrifice quest just to see how the new operator looks, and I made the dumb mistake of playing Party of Your Lifetime during the quest in the orbiter.

Now for all the Ballas komi scenes, that stupid boy band song is playing while Umbra's playing komi with Ballas lol

[acoustic hill]

Does anyone know if there's a way I can get consent before confessing to Marie?

[solid otter]

Unfortunately no

[whole mountain]

no. since the trigger for consent convo is dating

[acoustic hill]

[solid otter]

Devs really mangled that up

[acoustic hill]

Ye I appreciate that it's an option to hit up the other partner to ask for consent, but the trigger being a bit earlier would help make you not feel wrong for doing it

[pastel pasture]

yeah i'd say have a flag for 'is in a romance and can start another one', your next days conversation will be choice between asking for consent or ignoring the conversation

[brave echo]

So I decided to look up Roathe's romance dialogue, since Im never gonna date any of the triad anyways and GOTDANG Roathe is a freak. But yet somehow extremely sappy and romantic

[rain otter]

Never read any of letties huh?

[cobalt scroll]

How much Roathe chat changes after the boolean “he knows” is affected?

[cobalt scroll]

Marie is pretty freaky too

Lyon is prob the sane one

[hearty pendant]

how are you there??

[cobalt scroll]

Oh lmao https://youtu.be/XeF05fu15Xs?si=rgn3KnVSY3qEy_O-

[cobalt scroll]

I mean it is Sevagoth mindscape, kinda?

Or is it one of the pocket dimensions like Granum void?

[fading current]

What dialogue does he have during that scene?

[hearty pendant]

what the hell he's been there before

[fading current]

Hmmmmm interesting. My captura dates with Marie have been on duviri, and she made multiple diff comments on the surroundings and especially Thraxx. And when I got the vent kid date with her all she spoke about was her time on the streets and it’s so sad. And how she wishes she was born on Venus to join the vent kids.

I’m very very curious as to what Lyon has to say in that specific scene

[solid otter]

What the hell 😭

[cobalt scroll]

Show us the dialogue please

[solid otter]

Get my mans out of the void

[cobalt scroll]

Or just summarize

[hearty pendant]

-# "This place... is so familiar, mon miracle. It is not quite the same - the ship, it was not here. But the water... the mist... this is a place within the Void that lives within the mind."
-# "I met Rell and his Harrow here once. We did not speak. We did not need to. I simply felt them there beside me, as I always did. I wish I could tell you what it was like, to share everything with another soul. I wish I could do the same with you."
-# "I feel a great grief in this place. Someone here... lost those they cared for. I know not their name, I know not for whom they fought. But I can feel their tears. I pray to Lua they find peace..."
-# "There is a vast... emptiness that reaches through the darkness. It seeks to snuff the light from the stars themselves like so many candles... But I do not know if it does so with a mind behind it. Or if that is simply its nature."
-# "Beneath the sadness here, there is a serenity. The kiss of death. Lua took many souls home to their rest from this place. So similar, yet so dissimilar from the lake I knew..."

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-hmmm-thinking-one-second-let-me-think-gif-15838250914742163450

[cobalt scroll]

so wait

he basically confirmed this place is kinda like river of the dead

omg afterlife is real /j

[hearty pendant]

the third is related to vala glarios, i believe
and the fourth is pondering wally? if he's just Literally Entropy or if there's malicious thought behind that aspect?

[cobalt scroll]

interestingly Savagoth is a reaper theme frame. This place has to be the boundary between life and death

[hearty pendant]

of some sort, possibly
though i do wonder what lyon would think of sevagoth, now. sevagoth is devouring those souls himself, according to his passive's description and the one kim chat that mentions him

[cobalt scroll]

I hope that she talking with the ventkid

[cobalt scroll]

tbh if DE said that Wally make Sevagoth become a souls sucker to mock his og mission (rescue) is not that of a stretch

Still don't make sense why would Seva Prime also a reaper frame (his appearence are captain theme but ability still like base version)

[umbral moon]

Not sure if this is spoiler or not. But uh what operator arcanes does everyone use now that taustrike is a thing? I have been using magus repair and magus melt for yeaaars

Since im using vazarin, I am debating about using magus cloud and one more operator arcane I am undecided about

[harsh otter]

Is the Descendia's sentinel disappearing bug fixed?

[cobalt scroll]

try go in some matches

[cobalt scroll]

those old OP arcane has nothing to do with Tauron

[harsh otter]

Just 'did' a run. No kaithe round so can't confirm. Got one tapped somehow xD

[peak heath]

I was shopping at the Temple pity store and caught Lizzie saying "When the dreamers wake and the lidless eyes turn upon them, we shall sing the last number of the night".

Ominous.

[gilded oasis]

So I just encountered something with roathe that people should be aware of, when the conversation comes up where he asks you not to continue descendia most people know that if you agree and then do more he will stop talking to you.

However, what I've just learn is that if you say you are going to keep going you have a certain amount of time to do another run otherwise you'll get a conversation of him thanking you for not continuing and then your next run after he will stop talking to you anyway.

Found this out because I reached a point where I have everything from there and was just doing the weekly run for the potatoes and such, got the conversation of him asking last week, told him I'd keep going but had already done the weekly run, got the conversation of him thanking on like Saturday of last week, did the weekly run for this week the other day and now despite having told him "we'd face it together" he still won't talk to me because I didn't do another run soon enough after I told him that

[hearty pendant]

you're "meant" to get 21 runs (and by that i mean, beat him on the last floor. don't need the full 21 floors each time) in before he thanks you for not delving deeper, as that sets RoatheFailNot21 to true

[lost pasture]

I found these great snaps from Old Peace

[arctic apex]

Sorry if this has been asked before, I tried to look through the search bar for it in the discord as well as google results and found nothing. I am wondering if the "consent" chats with Hex/Triad characters take up their daily chat slot or does it become an additional chat for that day? Cheers in advance Managed to find info from someone, seems it's a seperate chat on the following day so it'd take up that day's chat slot.

[arctic hornet]

Hey so just wondering what does it mean when I have the consent choice for Roathe when I'm already dating Marie and a Hex member ? I checked on Kimulacrum and it showed that it leads to RoatheLoved. Is RoatheLoved the same as RoatheDating or it's a seperate thing ?

[peak heath]

You can only date one Hex and one Triad member simultaneously. As far as I'm aware

[arctic hornet]

So it's safe to say RoatheLoved won't make me date Roathe ?

[peak heath]

Pretty sure you need a flag explicitly about asking to date.

[arctic hornet]

Ah ok thank you for the help

[supple dagger]

hi

bro

[gilded night]

Hi I need a lil help | I'm currently "Close" to Marie but Lyon won't speak to me at all, is this ummm, a bug or intentional?

[cerulean kiln]

Have you waited a day for the Marie convo that unlocks Lyon?

[rare ginkgo]

is ||breaking Lyon of his faith|| theright choice?

[rare ginkgo]

would have happened by now if they're that far along with Marie, unless they're skipping convos.

[rare ginkgo]

are you doing every convo? or are you letting it skip yu to the next level