spoiler-chat

[normal osprey]

yeah exactly, cuz like dating someone else and then asking for permission is wild.

[whole jewel]

Is it normal that my HellStory counter got reset when I reset the Devil's Triad ? Do I really have to redo 21 runs of the descendia ?

[normal osprey]

Everything I've seen and heard it's supposed to stay progressed

[pure merlin]

You don't have to do Descendia as a whole, just kill Roathe 21 times

[jovial relic]

Uh... Did anyone else not get their KIM reset?

[whole jewel]

I just reset the Devil's Triad, and the current convo with Roathe is the R1C1. I'm looking on the kimulacrum the flags, and the messages i'm getting from him indicate that i've never killed him

[teal valve]

The chat never resettled for me

[restive tendon]

aight so i messed up any chance of romance with lettie, coudlnt get minvera and velmir back together, and im pretty sure i messed up kaya to get to the future (i think), should i reset

[whole jewel]

ok false alarm, i just closed the game and re-opened it before finishing the convo and now it gives me the correct flags

[night zephyr]

What does Arthur say? Cause I've heard Lettie's

[normal osprey]

wait im scrolling kimulacrum and I cannot find Lettie's. I feel like I'm tripping lmao

[worn fjord]

@solid otter So… I got a bug but I think things will turn out okay..? Idk I’ll see tmrw…
My Roathe convo got rewritten

From this one, talking about the family, asking about his motivations and stuff

to this lmao😭

[cobalt scroll]

do I have to kiss Roathe to get his captura?

[teal valve]

I might be behind as haven’t had those yet

[cobalt scroll]

since it weekly reset already and he haven't sent anything to me

[worn fjord]

At least i got the entire convo with screenshots- there's more to this than the one pic

And the profile note went from this

[formal fable]

I got marie best friends wohoo but need roathe convo my still anetmeia

[worn fjord]

to this

sigh but at least the other two are fine

[formal fable]

Didnt get anthemia for roathe ?

[worn fjord]

nope never

[formal fable]

Ooh my still block

[worn fjord]

this just happened after I ranked up with Roathe

[formal fable]

Ooh

[cobalt scroll]

yeah the note for Roathe is buggy for some reason

[amber terrace]

Uhhhhhh,,,,,, I think I’m bugged. Marie, Lyon, and Roathe have all agreed to help me reunite Loid with the Entrati,,, one small problem, I don’t have any chats from any of the triad today???

[cobalt scroll]

because of this, Loid reunion not happening

[worn fjord]

damn..

[amber terrace]

That’s genuinely infuriating, I want to not have to worry about KIM chats and I also want to reunite Loid with the Entrati >: (

[worn fjord]

but wait Lyon acknowledges that I've convinced roathe (days ago) so maybe its still in the system right?

[night zephyr]

It might be outside of KIM, I don't really remember

[cobalt scroll]

it count as you finished the chat, but it does not register Roathe accept to help Loid, for SOME REASON

DE it's has been TWO WEEKS

[amber terrace]

Hopefully tomorrow DE’s gonna hotfix or is this a code issue?

[night zephyr]

That's very odd, I feel like this was one of the bugs they fixed no? Maybe something slipped through the cracks

[cobalt scroll]

do you know what other bug that consistent rn? All the dating dialouge from Triad when using Gemini skin (and for Roathe, he also has dating voiceline in Desendia too), all of them are not triggered at all

[worn fjord]

@solid otter Hope you didn't rank up with Roathe because I just got a bug from it lol

[night zephyr]

Oh weird

That's annoying

[cobalt scroll]

I can confident say that Triad Kim chat has the most bug in my entire experience of the game

[night zephyr]

Were you around for 1999 release? Or Techrot Encore? I heard those were very buggy at launch as well

[worn fjord]

would it end up with people having to reset though? that'd be a bummer

[night zephyr]

But I had returned the summer after they came out so I avoided them all by the time I got to 1999

[cobalt scroll]

yeah but nothing compare to this, because it make me frustrating for a whole month just from these chat

[night zephyr]

I get the feeling it was rushed out before the holidays

[cobalt scroll]

and now Roathe suddenly choose not to send me any Captura (i already have Zariman one of him)

no offence, but did DE thoroughly test the update, or there is sth in the code that break the whole game?

[normal osprey]

From the wiki it appears that there are no quotes from Lettie about this. Idk where people got this line from but it does not appear to exist

[night zephyr]

What I heard must have been made up then

[normal osprey]

smh can't believe we're being gaslit into Lettie monogamy

[balmy storm]

What’d you hear?

Lettie not being poly?

[night zephyr]

Yea

Do any of them actually explicitly state they're against it?

[normal osprey]

Yeah, I've heard about it a lot lately from players but I've never encountered it nor does the wiki have anything on it

[balmy storm]

I believe Lettie says something but it’s not specifically “im monogamous” or “im not poly”

[solid otter]

I THINK I DID

[cobalt scroll]

check the Kimulacrum, Wiki still missing a lot of stuff

[solid otter]

Well. I got lyon

He's still yapping

[normal osprey]

That was the first place I checked lol

[solid otter]

But Marie and Roathe arent

[normal osprey]

thats the thing: I cannot for the life of me find it.

[solid otter]

"Swinging"

She uses the term swinging

[night zephyr]

Where is this

[normal osprey]

but where

[night zephyr]

Can you send a ss

[balmy storm]

Belladona ~{@: And I'm into some fringe things But swinging isn't one, lo siento (LettieRank5Convo4

Proceeds to then be okay with it cause the consent system was rushed

[worn fjord]

damn what was your last convo with them?

[balmy storm]

Which despite it being called polyamory in the boolean it just
Isn’t

[normal osprey]

aha! no wonder it was so hard to find it's hidden under like 6 specific dialogue choices

[normal osprey]

I will say in the context it reads like "one night swing" isn't her thing, not polyamoury

the preceding msg is

I'll be damned before I betray my pixel trinity waif

[solid otter]

There's multiple contexts that text comes from iirc

One where she mentions Amir i think?

[balmy storm]

It does but eeeh

I can see how and why people would see this as her not being into it

And then she’s just
Suddenly okay with it randomly

[normal osprey]

in R5C4 it is a single dialogue branch to it

[worn fjord]

Should I send a support ticket about the Roathe convo change? I have all the screenshots for it

[balmy storm]

Tbh all the consent convos (at least the ones ive read) feel very rushed and don’t feel like the characters

[normal osprey]

I agree on that, I think her's is the weakest consent convo. I'd like an actual discussion rather than a hand-waived "yeah go for it"

[balmy storm]

Also again
It isn’t polygamy
It’s just an open relationship.

[normal osprey]

Eleanor's is the best but eleanor is just innately freaky anyways kekw

[balmy storm]

I really hope they just rework it entirely cause this ain’t it :/

[solid otter]

Yuppers

[normal osprey]

true. I would like a proper thruple over just permission to date multiple ppl

[normal osprey]

then again the amount of work to go into that would be wild

[balmy storm]

I mean I’d be with both if I could and if it was like
Properly done

[normal osprey]

yeah

[solid otter]

As a poly person, this isnt poly, as the two other partners have never met and share no romantic feelings for each other, its not poly, just an open relationship that starts from cheating.

[normal osprey]

as an also poly person, this is my issue too lol

[night zephyr]

Polyamory but two people towards one person and the two people are not with each other 😭

[balmy storm]

I mean just saying that they at least talk to eachother or something is enough
Oh and not cheating on your partner and then telling them you want an open relationship.

“Time travel isn’t cheating” YES IT IS

[night zephyr]

Isn't that more of a love arrow situation

[normal osprey]

"Listen, Lettie: I'm dating someone who could possibly be your great grandma, but trust me it isn't cheating"

[real niche]

To be fair you can be poly and not be attracted to the third or however many other persons there are, but the fact there's no talk between them at all is dumb

[balmy storm]

Yeah
It ain’t even a triangle

[normal osprey]

like at least lemme talk to my current partner before I flirt with another at the bare minimum

[night zephyr]

Yea it's not a closed shape :(

[real niche]

I have seen poly relationships where A and B, and B and C, but not A and C love each other.

[balmy storm]

She’d kill us for dating someone behind her back

Is this
Character assassination cause they rushed this “feature”???

[balmy storm]

But A and C still communicate and have any kind of relationship, no?

[night zephyr]

Character assassination for one specific chat I guess

[cobalt scroll]

Ok so you guys kinda misunderstood Lettie meaning when she said "swinging"

[real niche]

Hence.

[normal osprey]

:O

[balmy storm]

I mean the real issue here is the whole consent mechanic is poorly done

[normal osprey]

I read it as no one night stands. but the point still stands that I'd want a proper discussion with her before trying poly

[normal osprey]

it does really come off as 'required check for player consent'

[cobalt scroll]

I mean reading her msg, she seem still conflicted, but she love us, and she also want us to happy

[balmy storm]

Lettie doesn’t like cheating.
You cheated on her if you go the “poly” route with the Triad.
She shouldn’t magically be okay with it cause ???

Polyamory isn’t just approval
Let there be the illusion that they talk to eachother, that maybe they have a relationship of some kind!

[cobalt scroll]

she said she does not like have group bed "party", that the meaning of swinging that I have known

[normal osprey]

-# Give us thruple group chats DE

[balmy storm]

Wait she says she doesn’t go for “group bed parties”???

[balmy storm]

Let me hold hands with Lettie and Eleanor 😭

[cobalt scroll]

that swinging meaning

[balmy storm]

Oh
Yeah

[night zephyr]

I don't even think it can be called that given there's no current way for the two partners to meet one another, again more of a love arrows

[cobalt scroll]

yeah she just don't like group s**

[balmy storm]

I mean they could do the illusion that they at least speak to one another
If Drifter can talk to the Hex from the Origin System then so can the Triad

[jagged summit]

Day 5: no Roathe message still, worrying thing is I did Descendia before reset just once to see if something changed and when I finished it the Honoria award for killing Roathe 21 times popped up…. thing is I had already gotten that award/pop up/honoria like some weeks ago due to Anathema phase…. hope it’s just a bug in that one section and not actually a whole progression thing 💔

[night zephyr]

Pull up the group chat

[normal osprey]

even if it were kept to that, I wish the consent chat was a thing you could do at like rank 2 with the triad. Like you can talk to Lettie for example and say "hey babas, so there's this nun..."

[balmy storm]

REAL
LET US HAVE A GROUP CHAT

[night zephyr]

So there's this nun 😭 😭

[cobalt scroll]

and she fine with "fringe", which from my understand, is poly relationship

[balmy storm]

ANYTHING AT ALL 😭

[night zephyr]

Yea doing it ahead of time I think could have solved the issue

[balmy storm]

She doesn’t mean poly here, I cant even say what she’s into but that aint what that means afaik

[night zephyr]

Like there's a dialogue tree that goes that way if you're flirting with one of triad

[balmy storm]

Fringe things not fringe

[cobalt scroll]

nvm I was wrong

[cobalt scroll]

also I think the consent "chat" should be face to face convo

[balmy storm]

I really hope the community will be loud enough about this that it will be addressed cause this ain’t okay :/

[quick smelt]

DE give me a scene of both meeting each other and seeing if it succeeds or fails terribly (like in Witcher 3 if you try to date two people)

[balmy storm]

Good point actually

[balmy storm]

They can’t physically meet but a group chat would suffice and be possible

[cobalt scroll]

ik asking for VAs to do some more lines would cost more than doing KIM chat but it make the narrative more interesting

[night zephyr]

I feel like unfortunately it is a minority of us who take issue with what is largely a game mechanic and cobbled together chat to explain it

[normal osprey]

a lot of the chats should be face to face

[night zephyr]

While trampling over some character established traits when doing so

[balmy storm]

Now that being said we will likely have captura dates with the Hex
So if we can do that with them then can we not also bring our Triad date at the same time?
They could meet there!

[jagged summit]

If I recall correctly Eleanor is the only one who might be okay with it, Arthur (who I romanced) Lettie and also Aoi are VERY much against it if I’m not mistaken, I assume so is Amir and Quincy, I understand the devs suddenly changed that for this situation so you not have to choose between someone from the Hex or someone from the Triad, but canonically they are NOT okay with it, also why I chose to break up with Arthur before entering a romance with Roathe (because I’m not into poly, and because Arthur is not ok with it) even the chat of telling Arthur you wish to romance one more person makes me feel awful because he sounds like he’s forcing himself to be ok with it for your sake as if he’s not enough.

[night zephyr]

I get the feeling most of the hex would hate roathe's ass

[quick smelt]

…
Helminth
Help us out here buddy
Cmon, I know you have a way to get the Hex here temporarily

[cobalt scroll]

yeah we literally have our dating mate showing up in the room, they should move those convo in there

[balmy storm]

I mean it’s been brought up on stream
People called Rebb out on how time travel is still cheating

[cobalt scroll]

or Kaya

[quick smelt]

I prefer Helminth
Seems more mature and safer

And not
Nova tomfoolery

[balmy storm]

We bring the Hex forward via transference and helminth afaik, I’m not sure that works how you think it would

[quick smelt]

Which confused me because I was expecting that kind of stuff from Limbo

[night zephyr]

Does it put you as Drifter in your current Warframe in the captura with the triad partner

[balmy storm]

She made a stable time portal
The problem is you have to help her to get there

[normal osprey]

ok this is wildly off topic, but I would love decorations where you can place potential spawns for your partner. (i.e. if I make a custom couch, can I have Lettie spawn laying on it.)

or like maybe I block off an area, I could move the spawn point to work with my decor

[normal osprey]

like an invisible articula that acts as a random spawn for them

[quick smelt]

Shhh
If Roathe can do it
I’m sure we can figure out
and it won’t go terribly wrong

[night zephyr]

It would be really funny if you took the gemini of your other partner and put them in the same room but they just don't do anything

[jagged summit]

Legit had a discussion with someone because they were agreeing that since it’s time travel it’s okay, it’s literally not, you’re actively dating 2 people at the same time, it’s still cheating 😭😭

[night zephyr]

But also sad

[uncut solar]

"it's not cheating because in a time period I meet this person you'd be long dead by now"

[balmy storm]

People think its okay cause its different times but when you’re accessing times place they are physical places then uh.
No that’s just cheating in the same way as driving to another state or country to see your other partner

[normal osprey]

not even getting into the fact that while its in different times, you and your partners are still living linearly so it's more of a location change.

[night zephyr]

If they both say they're ok with it, giving consent, I don't consider it cheating but time travel's not really a good excuse (again have to also consider the character)

[balmy storm]

We also just shouldnt be cheating on our partner and then telling them about it

[normal osprey]

the only thing that is different between la cathedral and hollvania is one has XX99 and the other has 1999 stamped on it

[balmy storm]

Like regardless of if time travel is cheating the way they implemented it IS cheating

[quick smelt]

“Look it’s not cheating because I’m only dating them on odd days while I date you on even days! :D”

[normal osprey]

our relationship contract clearly states we are a couple on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays

[balmy storm]

The difference is one has Roathe who figured out how to utilize the helminth to get to the Origin System’s time iirc

Meanwhile in Hollvania you have to go through Kaya’s whole story just for her to make a path

[night zephyr]

I wanted to assume you don't do anything until you talk with the other partner but from my understanding they immediately have the suggestive voice lines in person when you start dating (and you don't get the consent conversation until after you begin dating) maybe it should be like "ok wait I need to check with my other partner before we start"

Like you confessed but you are not dating until you talk with the other one

And you have to go through that check in order to date the triad member

[balmy storm]

Yeah it should be like that

[normal osprey]

I wish I could have the consent conversation even before flirting options are available

[balmy storm]

Not
Dating one
Date the other
Then tell the first and they’re magically okay with it

[night zephyr]

Yeah I think it's just a toggle on that the game considers you dating so they start just saying the voice lines

[normal osprey]

like the "I'd like you to hunt me, Marie." line is wild

[night zephyr]

WHAT

I did not know that was a dialogue choice 😭

[balmy storm]

I guess telling your Hex partner is also optional
So
Ig you can just choose to suck??

[jagged summit]

Exactly bruh 😭 like I said I understand it was so people didn’t have to break up with the hex to get a piece of the samples from the triad or that don’t give a fk abt the specifics and as long as it means they can romance more than one it’s okay with them, but it feels wrong to me especially as someone who romances Arthur knowing it’s a huge NO for him regarding poly and that it’s out of character for them, hence why cause I wanted to try Roathe’s romance I broke up with Arthur to do so

[normal osprey]

its one of the earlier flirty lines in KIM

[jagged summit]

Was meant to be a reply to Ducky’s message to me mb

[normal osprey]

suicidal decision considering eleanor exists

[quick smelt]

[quick smelt]

Oh she even mentions this

[balmy storm]

I’d much rather we have to break up with our prior partner to be with someone else and not forced to be horrible cause some people would be sad they’d be “missing out”

[quick smelt]

“I’m fine with poly but why didn’t you ask me BEFOREHAND.”

[normal osprey]

yeah, imagine deciding not to tell your partner.

[night zephyr]

Just curious what does Arthur say? About being monogamous/implying

[balmy storm]

Like consequences should just
Exist???

[night zephyr]

Me when there's apparently an option to click [End]

[normal osprey]

KEKW

[night zephyr]

Like what 😭

Game should just break you up with them if you don't engage in the conversation

[balmy storm]

So you either cheat and tell them and they’re okay with it cause ???
Or you cheat and ghost them but act like everything’s fine
And there’s no consequences ever???

Seriously though
Why can the Triad not just
Text the Hex??

[quick smelt]

Would be too easy I guess

[jagged summit]

God I don’t remember accurately I romanced him when the Hex came out, if I believe correctly I mentioned to him when I started dating him that I said Lettie was hot and he said something along the lines of either I choose him or Lettie because he’s not okay with “sharing” and if I pick Lettie things will end there because that’s not him

[balmy storm]

The real reason is the consent system was rushed and they didnt think of that :p

[normal osprey]

I understand that the characters are player-sexual for gameplay shtuff, but I do like how you can be rejected. I just wanna take those consequences a little further too to flesh it out.

like, date another and don't tell your partner? You are screwed.

But then I also wanna change my Man in the Wall answer to Roathe without resetting, so there's a balance

[night zephyr]

"hey devil I heard you're chatting up my bbg better explain before you get a load of this fist"

[pure merlin]

Arthur doesn't really want to share yeah

[night zephyr]

Through the screen

[balmy storm]

Okay but them getting so mad that the techrot is influenced and we literally get punched cause we broke their heart would go crazy-

[normal osprey]

flare jumpscare v2

[night zephyr]

I see

[jagged summit]

I’d send pic of it but that was like my first time and since then I’ve reset the Hex relationships like 10 times since then so I wouldn’t feel empty inside after i finished maxing them out 💔

[night zephyr]

Reset just for variety's sake?

[quick smelt]

New years kiss? No
New years right hook? Yes

[night zephyr]

Now I guess there's the allure of honoria completionism

[normal osprey]

I had to reset once cuz a certain couple wouldn't just talk to eachother and I felt so bad wiping the hex's memories.

This was before the roundtable-specific wipe too so I reset everything

[balmy storm]

I fear DE won’t even talk about it further 😔

[normal osprey]

we gotta keep yapping

[balmy storm]

WE DO

[pure merlin]

There's an option at one point to tell Arthur that you've ended up with him because you've messed up trying to get with Eleanor

Weirdest option ever, especially when you've not once tried to get with Eleanor lol

[balmy storm]

TIME TRAVEL IS STILL CHEATING
SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS

[quick smelt]

I’m just going to say
DE

I like the protoframes but you gotta be careful with how you do them

[balmy storm]

That’s icky in a whole other way lmao

[jagged summit]

100% this, breaking up with Arthur was tough but I’d rather go through that a million times than having to face the dialogue with Arthur if you tell him abt your Triad partner while romancing him because the entire convo tone of him sounds like it’s him forcing himself to say he’s okay with it as long as it makes you happy as if he’s not enough when he clearly is NOT okay with it 😭😭😭

[balmy storm]

When are we getting a nonbinary partner option

[pure merlin]

I shouldn't even have had the option, I've only ever fully tried to romance Arthur, makes no sense for me to say that to him

[normal osprey]

I do think they should avoid the "good endings" with proto's and just make them be natural conversations. Like with roundtable and triad I'm so concerned with getting the right ending I'm not actually just talking with them.

The Hex felt more like I was learning about them without fear of permanently messing their life up.

[balmy storm]

I really do not like how forced all the consent convos feel (at least the ones I’ve read)

[normal osprey]

-# transfem protoframe yareli?

[balmy storm]

It just feels so
Tacked on and rushed

[jagged summit]

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT HE SAYS???😭😭😭😭

[solid otter]

T4t will never happen unless we believe they're trans 💔

Unfortunately it's not exactly the most marketable to everyone. Unfortunately. It should be, but it aint

[pure merlin]

Nah, didn't pick up that option, sounds evil af

[balmy storm]

Not nonbinary but also
Yes
But also maybe no cause Yareli is in a weird spot where we know of maybe two Yarelis and one was def a kid
Idk what to think about her 😵‍💫

[jagged summit]

I’ve only seen some bits of Arthur’s so idk abt the others that sounds awful 😭

[quick smelt]

The only happy ending is when I get suffocated by Eleanor’s kissing aga-

I mean I GET TO KILL BALLAS AGAIN, YEAH TOTALLY HAHAHAHAHA.

[jagged summit]

Im so curious to know what he answers with omg brb

[normal osprey]

oh lmao I was bouncing off yours not saying yareli would replace an enby proto. why not both?

[solid otter]

We have one already

[balmy storm]

Romancable Yareli only if they make it apparent she isn’t a kid

[normal osprey]

but romanceable

[balmy storm]

OH
yes lets have both

[solid otter]

We just don't get to date them 💔

[night zephyr]

That's wild

[balmy storm]

They’re busy loving themselves/their guitar

[quick smelt]

We’re either getting a punk Yareli or a magical girl

…
Or both

Punk Magical Girl

[night zephyr]

No I get it

[solid otter]

Also i am reluctant to let them write it, i do fear of them accidentally enabling trans chasers and thats scary

[balmy storm]

I just need it to be apparent she’s not a child
Ballas talking about Yareli was so gross

[normal osprey]

oh yeah that's true, the prime trailer does put her younger. ok then protea

[quick smelt]

An anarchist magical girl

[balmy storm]

The protos arent the frames themselves so it just is dependent on how they do it
But also yes protea too pls

[solid otter]

"Younger", yuvans are usually little children, i wouldn't trust ballas if he wasn't talking about a 10 year old girl

[normal osprey]

yeah but if the yareli strain is based on a child who made fun of continuity, lets just never ever ever touch that discussion with a 10 mile pole and lets not have a romanceable yareli proto

[balmy storm]

Yareli Prime trailer just proves we aren’t hating Ballas enougj

[normal osprey]

cuz that's weirdge

[solid otter]

Eh, regardless anyone under 18 is a child imo, which just something I should need to say

[balmy storm]

Yeah that’s a good idea tbh

[balmy storm]

Real

[quick smelt]

Basically kids taken to be specifically groomed into being future vessels

Ballas saw Yareli and her personality and went “Holy shit her attitude would make me honored to wear her face.”

And then she started talking crap about the Orokin and immediately changed his mind

[normal osprey]

yeah thats the point I'm trying to make lol. we don't need people coming in saying "well yeah the strain and personality is a kid but the proto is an adult"

[balmy storm]

Since Ballas is dead dead let’s dropkick the Warden

[quick smelt]

Or rather
Made him want to specifically torture her by turning her into a warframe for, I quote “multiple people to wear you now.”

[balmy storm]

We can never hate him enough

There will always be more reasons to hate that man

[normal osprey]

can't believe we kiled him and then got flooded with reasons to kill him

[solid otter]

Somehow people argue about that, i dont know why, I dont know what benefit it has

[quick smelt]

Such a Ballas move

“You thought you hated me now? Silly devil, you never hated me enough.”

[balmy storm]

We didn’t even get to do it
Mom did
Which tbh I like that she did but I wish we got to get in there too to finish him off-

[normal osprey]

next year, time travel to the orokin era and the only thing we do is kill ball ass

[balmy storm]

He says while I beat his face into Pragahsa while the sun explodes around us

[quick smelt]

Not enough hatred

[balmy storm]

Unfortunately I don’t think we can do that due to it making too large of a paradox
While paradoxes seem to mostly not happen he’s kinda. major.

[quick smelt]

We need MOAR hatred

We need so much hatred we accidentally manifest him in the Void

[normal osprey]

I hate him enough I would break the universe just to get another shot at him

[balmy storm]

It’d be a grandfather paradox, but lua spy vaults should be too but they arent sooo

[quick smelt]

We need so much hatred that it ends up even making Wally hate him

[jagged summit]

Currently looking for the vile Eleanor comment when dating Arthur and found one of many good examples in his convos regarding Arthur not being ok with poly/sharing btw @night zephyr

[solid otter]

Wally already hates him

[balmy storm]

If you went back to kill him then you’d stop any reason for you going back to kill him which would reset it so you’d go back to kill him and then it just loops forever

[normal osprey]

so I was running those earlier, and it seems like those are maybe during the time Lua was in the void? It didn't necessarily have to be during the Orokin rule, as the Second Dream still has an intact Lua tileset

[balmy storm]

Grandfather paradox suuucks

[normal osprey]

I think it could be a way of "Lua is in the void and is not in the void"

[solid otter]

Ah there it is.

Muckin mint.

[balmy storm]

It’s not the only time we rewrite the past, we do it in 1999 and in the Undercroft, but those changes are minor and/or don’t interact with our timeline

[quick smelt]

But
Lua was in the void…

[balmy storm]

I think they mean the time it was vs the time it wasn’t?

[solid otter]

Reckon the solaris would say that? "Muckin mint."

[quick smelt]

Muckin’ meent.

[normal osprey]

right, but Lotus says during vaults that there are continuity errors after pulling the moon out.

It could either be: pulling the moon out caused time paradoxes that echo back to the Orokin Empire, or the time it was in the void

or

Void being the void: There could still be a manifestation of Lua within the Void that these portals link to. In the same way that we apparently have multiple Zarimans

[balmy storm]

Ballas is part of our own timeline so killing him early would mess us our timeline too much, it sucks but it would be far too risky and if anything would result in it not happening or us being in a loop
While events can be rewritten he’s too large of one for what’d be doing the rewriting

[normal osprey]

Either way, moon is haunted

[solid otter]

We've had 2 moons be yoinked into the void in warframe

Deimos and Lua

[balmy storm]

And we’re the ghosts :)

[balmy storm]

Orokin tech go brrr

[normal osprey]

cocks shotgun hauntedly

[quick smelt]

I sure do love my VOID moon and FLESH moon

[night zephyr]

Ahh I see, thank you for the screenshot 👍

[balmy storm]

What’s next? A robot moon?
looks at Tau
oh.

[quick smelt]

Now let’s get to the SENTIENT moon so we have all three moons

[normal osprey]

I'm too engrossed into the lore at this point I'm literally making my own timeline along with Endyd20 KEKW

[night zephyr]

Kinda funny he's "I'm not ok with this" and then magically it's like "yah ok sure"

[solid otter]

Ngl im gonna say the anchor thingies are probably entrati related imo

[quick smelt]

Imagine
We clearly pilot Deimos to Tau

[jagged summit]

No problem! I actually had no idea of this convo as in I never got this one but another one regarding him not being ok with it

[balmy storm]

I really hope we see something like this in Tau (Lua concept art)

[quick smelt]

Just
Beep beep
Sprout wings Deimos and start flying through space

[jagged summit]

Literally 😭

[balmy storm]

I mean the lanthorns are likely involved
Read their description

[night zephyr]

I think the Hex besides Eleanor could have the capacity to accept it but it would require more nuance and some heavy convincing I fear

[solid otter]

Uhm im outside rn what does it say?

[night zephyr]

Like if they are going to go with this route, at least make it more realistic

[normal osprey]

that would be great: The player needs to actually talk to them and there's a very real risk of them just saying no

[solid otter]

Eleanor and Quincy are the only two i can realistically see it as

[balmy storm]

A ceremonial beacon used to map Void locations on to real space.

Absolutely used for Lua and Deimos’ reentry

[solid otter]

[night zephyr]

I'm talking more if this is the way it's gonna be gameplay wise (option to date more than one regardless of who you picked) they would require more finessing

[night zephyr]

Damn that's cool

[jagged summit]

I cannot for the life of me find ts 😭

[balmy storm]

The artbook has some amazing art

[quick smelt]

If they did it right
Two are easy to convince
Two require some convincing
Two cannot be convinced

[solid otter]

The concept art often is cooler than the execution.

[balmy storm]

I’m gonna bring up duviri wisp again

[normal osprey]

ok ok ok speaking of albrecht and this might be better fit for lore discussion: Was kuva only discovered/created after Albrecht's venture into the void? Cuz before albrechts descent, the Void was seen as simply... a Void, and yet Kuva is described to be Void based.

So if that's the case, is Albrecht one of the oldest Orokin we have?

[solid otter]

Kuva would be older than him iirc

[quick smelt]

Kuva existed before the void travels

[night zephyr]

I'm gonna have to check it out didn't even know there was a Warframe artbook

[quick smelt]

And all that stuff

[normal osprey]

but if kuva is void derived, and Albrecht was the first to truly discover the Void's potential... Where does Kuva arrive?

[quick smelt]

It just does

[balmy storm]

Look at she
Duviri Wisp
Wisp in Duviri
She got an Orokin arm and slightly different design
Why she here?
Probably cause Duviri was gonna be a gas city on Jupiter but Duviri got delayed and the Gas City rework happened instead so now she’s there cause ???

[solid otter]

Before then! Albrecht specifically did void travel, not void tech as a whole

[manic sun]

has anyone gotten the cutscene or chat with loid (pom2lab1) ? ive got all 3 of the triad to max rank , and they all agreed with me to reunite the family, is there anythring else im missing?

[pure merlin]

I know it was in the newer convos, when the roundtable showed up

[balmy storm]

It is worth every single page

[manic sun]

or is is still bugged actually

[jagged summit]

Gonna check out that section then hol up

[normal osprey]

It does specify a deadend for space-faring ventures, but it also feels like the writings indicate the Orokin just didn't care for the void until Albrecht dove in.

[solid otter]

He is responsible for a lot of it, but the orokin arent unfamiliar to stealing ideas.

[pure merlin]

I have
Loid will message you and after you've finished the conversation, you have to go to the Necralisk for the cutscene to start

For some people it's still bugged tho

[quick smelt]

Kinda like how New war got delayed so we got Deimos
Which is why we never hear a single mention of Deimos in New War because they were supposed to wake up AFTER that chaos

[normal osprey]

I'm just trying to piece together the timeline for Void discovery to utilization

[manic sun]

do i need to fully exhaust all conversations first

i may have some with roathe left

[pure merlin]

Yes

[solid otter]

The void was known for a long, long time

[balmy storm]

They didnt care for it cause it was proved to be nothing
Until he fell in
Then BOOM it had energy and woah, weird fingers??

[jagged summit]

I FOUND IT OMG

[quick smelt]

The Void was known
For a while

It’s just no one bothered to use it because it was, well
Nothing

[solid otter]

If its any worth, there's void in 1999 and 1899

[balmy storm]

I heard the plan was always Deimos first but I do not have a source unfortunately
I just recall mentioning that and being told nuh uh basically lol

[solid otter]

Even if its Albrecht's shenanigans

[normal osprey]

right, so how have we utilized void-derived kuva prior to this? Was it useful for non-travel means like Thomas says? Or was Albrecht the first to discover its potential?

[quick smelt]

Albrecht was seen as a weirdo because he kept trying to search what everyone else saw as already figured out and not worth anymore time

[jagged summit]

That was exactly what I needed thx for telling me it was during the convos regarding the Roundtable which are at Rank 6 otherwise I would’ve not found it thinking it was during the Hex convos 😭😭

[normal osprey]

There are Roathe discussions we and Albrecht are possibly responsible for that, like we trail void wherever we go

[balmy storm]

Okay no everyone gets this wrong
Kuva isn’t void derived, but its abilities, specifically the smoothness of the transfer is derived from the void

[solid otter]

Hes a weirdo, cool all of a sudden, then turned insane and crazy

[pure merlin]

Yeah, I hate that option lol, do send it tho

[quick smelt]

Basically the equivalence of discovering sand and some guy keeps saying “No wait there’s more to this!”

“Dude it’s just sand.”
“No there’s more to it, I just know it!”
“You’re not going to find anything el-“
Glass

[solid otter]

And that man made glass, something that is invaluable to modern sciences :)

[normal osprey]

So this is the Zariman tablet: "Fluid with Void-derived capacity to conduct consciousness"

I guess I see where it could be its ability's rather than makeup

[balmy storm]

Yeah it’s that with that’s important

[solid otter]

I like how seriglass looks

[quick smelt]

We should clearly dunk the Operator in Kuva

[solid otter]

It looks so pretty

[quick smelt]

More Kuva

[balmy storm]

We also know void-charged kuva was specifically used on Lua for the Seven and from the War Within and other examples that the void need not be present

[quick smelt]

MORE POWER

[balmy storm]

It is possible that Kuva could have its abilities from some early conceptual embodiment (before that was understood) but this is a stretch and a theory.

[normal osprey]

so that begs the question of is the void an ever present being, and if so, when was kuva found and how?

[quick smelt]

A theory
A GAME THE-

[solid otter]

Except there was something in the glass and the man began to talk about it, so he was deemed insane

[quick smelt]

And then it turns out there actually was something in the glass

[balmy storm]

The void isn’t a being in of itself, but yes it should always be present
It just wasnt useful til Albrecht

And as for its origin? We have absolutely no idea!

[quick smelt]

And the man just got its attention and cut off its fingie

[jagged summit]

After that the chat ends btw 😭💀 @pure merlin no clue if he breaks up with you, at least it doesn’t say anything abt “dating false”

[solid otter]

He was RIGHT

Like his daughter and her father being alive

[balmy storm]

DEATH BY
METEOR!!

[normal osprey]

I was struggling with the word, but not a being, but a force of nature ig?

[balmy storm]

Ye I’d say it’s more so that :]

[quick smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-goodbye-leave-disappear-gorbgif-gif-23138036

[normal osprey]

I would kill to learn about 99 to Orokin times. Especially with the lore drop that the Radiation Wars started over Techrot

[balmy storm]

Seriously though, when, where and how did they find Kuva?
How did they figure out it does what it does?
How did they figure out that Lua makes the transfer easier?

[solid otter]

Have we considered this as Albrecht pretending to be Lodun for Euleria when she was little

[balmy storm]

There is a theory that Oro and Kinemtrik became the Orokin eventually during those 18 radiation wars (oversimplification of the theory)

[jagged summit]

Guys btw remind me why we’ve gotta go to Tau?

[quick smelt]

What if
We’re clearly Wally

I assure you I’m not grasping as straws

[solid otter]

Lua might just have a stronger connection to the void? Given... a lot of things in Lua

[balmy storm]

Thats cute lol

[balmy storm]

Omzg we smiled once were wallby

[normal osprey]

Do you know where those are stated? I thought they came from Veli and Minerv, but I just cannot find anything about ORO.

First I'm hearing of KinemtriK

[balmy storm]

Lua do just be weird

[normal osprey]

Ik Amir has one convo abt it

[solid otter]

I shall stand on girldad Albrecht until I die

[balmy storm]

Kinemtrik made a lot of the tech iirc
The Oro comments are from ETA

[obtuse gyro]

given the field application that roathe uses it for:

Does kuva require some alignment in the jar to connect two drinkers? what decides who gets to hop to who? Does it just make two folks mentally pliable for the purpose of hopping?

[normal osprey]

oooh! I'll dive into those

[solid otter]

Catdad, girldad, manfailure

[quick smelt]

Clearly we’re Wally because Operator was depressed and never got love due to the trauma

Which is why Wally hates Love1!1!1!1!

[balmy storm]

He was a good dad until the incident

[balmy storm]

We need a Kuva lesson fr

[solid otter]

Tbf she was probably an adult when that happened, she should be more independent by then anyways

[quick smelt]

Yeah meeting a terrifying being and almost dying from it does that to you

[solid otter]

I also will just have a stroke everytime someone blames Mother's actions on Albrecht

[quick smelt]

At least he had a hot butler nurse him back to health though

[balmy storm]

True

[obtuse gyro]

hell, if kuva makes consciousness pliable, is that why sentients can repair their fertility with it?

[obtuse gyro]

Just cuz you an adult, aint mean yous free from being daddy's lil girl

[balmy storm]

Bau
We need to put you into Warframe
Let you run around and run experiments

[obtuse gyro]

woah there I'd like to live

[quick smelt]

“Albrecht, how did you figure out Wally’s weakness?”
Thinking of Loid
“Just a hypothesis that proved to be true.”

[solid otter]

No, course not, but she can live with him being out of commission for some time 😭

[normal osprey]

the wiki doesn't have listed ETA quotes 😭

[balmy storm]

Shhhh
You’ll be a cephalon :)

[balmy storm]

Are you using fandom or the official one

[normal osprey]

official

[obtuse gyro]

but but I like to eat

[quick smelt]

Pick me
I’ll come back powerful
(As a jar of Ashes)

[balmy storm]

Ok damn thats just negligence 😭

[solid otter]

He misses how loid acts when he's high :(
-# im normal

[solid otter]

It has them, just not the audio logs iirc

[balmy storm]

Nihil 2: this time they’re a good one

[solid otter]

NIHILLLLLL

[balmy storm]

Bruh

[solid otter]

MY LOVE

[balmy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-i-love-repo-repo-repo-i-love-i-love-her-gif-10005379208138466302

[obtuse gyro]

I imagine albrecht is cornered by wally and in what he thought were his last moments, he thought of loid, and then wally, having been trying to scrape more thoughts from albrecht just went

"eeeeeew"

[solid otter]

Me rn this is literally me

[quick smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-i-looove-repo-i-love-repo-repo-game-gif-6374512977009258898

[obtuse gyro]

Homophobe Wally:
Ewwww you kiss boys albrecht? Ewwwww.

[balmy storm]

You mean Wally rn?

Bro hates loves

[quick smelt]

Wally isn’t phobic
They equally hate all forms of love

They believe in true equality to despise love as a concept

[solid otter]

"Gimmie ur memories"

Albrecht beaming the first kiss him and Loid had and wally just explodes

[balmy storm]

He’s erophobic
Does that mean fear of love?
Idk

[quick smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/ultron-ultron-vision-ultron-mind-age-of-ultron-ultron-vision-mind-gif-6516959786506236769

This but every happy memory of Loid

[solid otter]

I do wonder how they did eventually become lovers

Like. What happened 😭

[quick smelt]

I think it had to do with the Wally incident that made Albrecht truly open up to Loid

[solid otter]

Mm, I think it was earlier, like. Albrecht finding solace with Loid post or during the arranged marriage

[balmy storm]

It may have just been the healing thing, or that’s what solidified it at least

[solid otter]

Situationship around the marriage, then to full blown lovers during the void incident imo

[floral condor]

Why is there Corpus in Cetus?

[normal osprey]

Corpus as a whole are a merchant faction, so not all of the branches are hostile. Cetus is welcoming of those who come as friends

[balmy storm]

They’re capitalists
They trade where they can

[floral condor]

I can imagine the teeno looking at them saying: give me a reason, I'll be watching you

[normal osprey]

I've done that exact thing when I first saw them lmao

[floral condor]

By the way, can anyone remind me what the lore was about the people in Cetus and why they worship Wf?

[normal osprey]

I know they have Gara and Koumei as idols due to their feats within cetus. But Warframes are basically myths to most people.

[normal osprey]

They do worship the Unum. To them, a divine being people make pilgrimages to to seek advice and fortune telling.

[normal osprey]

who also actively protects cetus as well as nourishing the people.

[obtuse gyro]

Hard not to deify a mysterious being that protects and provides which you can see with your [insert number of] eyes

[normal osprey]

and can apparently freeze time

[prisma island]

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[pastel pasture]

did they change new years kisses

wheres my kiss >:I

bruh. i don't think I got through all of Amir's conversations in time. UGGGGGHHH

bro is too chatty

[lofty girder]

And literally feeds you pieces of itself

[pastel pasture]

i was missing ONE

ONE CONVERSATION.

u g h....one more month dating Amir i guess

This list is already pretty full but I think Uriel would fit in this list.

[deft mist]

Uriel burns people alive

[lofty girder]

Nova should be there

She made a man into a black hole

[deft mist]

Thats

Horrific

[uncut solar]

Xaku would probably be the most horrible concept for any protoframe to learn

[deft mist]

The same thing coursing throught their viens having a living humanoid

[rare ginkgo]

Thermostat works like normal counting, right?

[deft mist]

Form?

[rare ginkgo]

like if I've consistently picked + options, one - option won't set me back to 0 or something.

[obtuse gyro]

correct

[worn fjord]

What rank are you with Roathe and what convo got bugged for you? Or is it just the note?

[uncut solar]

3 bodies of something that used to be people, adrift in the void and having a life of it's own

[lofty girder]

Eyup, and shoved it into the reactor of a ship to fuel it

[cobalt scroll]

Final convo about Loid reunite, I can't remember which one

I was at Loved with him

And he already stop texting me last week

[rare ginkgo]

correct that it won't do that, or correct that it will set me to 0? Sorry I just wanna make sure I get the Roathe ending I'm gunning for and prefer a dialogue option with floaty here that happens to give the opposite polarity.

[worn fjord]

Are you at Close rank with them or Best Friends? Want to see if I’m gonna end up with that bug now that I’m in best friends rank

[worn fjord]

Oh… so technically you were supposed to get Loid’s convo

[cobalt scroll]

Yeap

Roathe note about helping Loid is gone so it does not trigger

[worn fjord]

Oh that’s exactly what I got after ranking up

I shouldn’t have ranked up sigh

[obtuse gyro]

wont

[lofty girder]

I've gotten the loid note on both roathe and lyon, only marie is left and im spooped

[pastel pasture]

I'd put Uriel into the same category as Xaku and Kullervo. What they do isn't messed up, it's why they are tthat's messe dup

Uriel in this case made as a gift to Roathe in honor of his title

[worn fjord]

I’m not going to touch KIM for rank6 convos

[night zephyr]

I’m best friends with Lyon… am I cooked?

[lofty girder]

Uriel's also one of the few if only frames that we know who made up the volunteer/voluntold

[night zephyr]

The other two are still at trusted an Lyon ranked up today

[worn fjord]

Did it change from Lovers to Bestfriends?

Wait did you confess to him already? I did via chat

[night zephyr]

No I am not dating

I mean for the Loid thing

[worn fjord]

Oh. Well i think it’s best to hold off doing any Bestfriends convo with Lyon just in case

[worn fjord]

Other two are at trusted but are you receiving chats from them or is that bugged?

[night zephyr]

Chats are coming in as normal

[worn fjord]

That’s good at least

[pastel pasture]

Marie .2 seconds before being taken out

[night zephyr]

Yeah the only bug I ran into was the one conversation with Lyon at first rank that would leave it not responding

I should say only one so far

[worn fjord]

That’s great. I really hope you don’t get any more bugs— it’s best to wait for the hotfix before doing more KIM convos

[night zephyr]

We did just have a hotfix but since some things still seem to be bugged you’re probably right. I can wait

[rare ginkgo]

thenku

[worn fjord]

Yea coz of the hotfix I thought my bugs were fixed but then ranking up to best friends with Roathe today gave another bug. Ah well…

[mental ice]

ah... I see the ||Redeemed Roathe and 3x best friend with everyone and lyon and marie both agreed to help with Lloyd|| is still not fixed

[floral condor]

Can someone remind me how these two statues ended up like this?

[obtuse gyro]

end of Whispers in the Wall

you transfer into a vessel and then use a memory of love to repel wally

[jagged sable]

At the end of Whispers in the walls, we get Bait and switched from Vessel Mecha fight into creating a reminder of Love between Loid and Albrecht so that Wally can go "Ew..affectionately cupping someone's face? Ya'll are disgusting. You're too wholesome for my tastes. I'm out." and bounce.

[night grail]

Yara jeliira

[floral condor]

So.
Wally: What is this? Love? That's cringe. leaves

[jagged sable]

The Power of Love can be a cliche, but hey, it works.

[hybrid marlin]

Help

[oblique vigil]

Third option was best imo

[floral condor]

Why did Albrecht create human-mechs in the first place?

[real niche]

If you mean the Vessels, fighting Wally.

[digital needle]

He saw power rangers/pacific rim/voltron in 1999 and wanted giant mecha battles to be real

[fading current]

he saw Neon Genesis Evangelion and went….yes

even having a child operator for the giant thing. Oh he was REALLY inspired lmao

[worn fjord]

Hoping the upcoming hotfix doesn’t rewrite any KIM convos

[dark remnant]

"Get in the warcrimes cyborg, Tenno."

[winged ore]

Nah, they have never had to reset the chats for us

they typically patch them out untouched in regards to your progress

[worn fjord]

Oh I was referring to bugs ppl got after the recent hotfix (wrong profile note, rewritten convo) but yea you’re right

[dark remnant]

Yeah. Roathe is hopelessly bugged because the "Promise" flag never cleared.

[ornate oak]

So uh... I'm here... and it still feels like cheating on Lettie... DX

[ornate oak]

Drifter, I assume: "The power of old man yaoi compels you!"

[stone citrus]

guys I did literally everything with the devils triad and riiight at thje end roathes status somehow someway changed to no longer being him being on board with helping get loid to meet with the family.

I am so dumbfounded asd to what even wentr wrong

[quiet saddle]

Got a Blessing from the Duvies after a host migration
(After host migration, Duviri Decrees from the mission I did before this one appeared and made me absurdly overpowered)

[worn fjord]

Yupp a bug. Just happened with me

[fading current]

It’s a common bug it seems. Happened with me as well.

[ornate oak]

So I've not progressed the KIM chat since I posted that screenshot... Augh!

[worn fjord]

Oh did Marie stop texting or?

[ornate oak]

No, I mean I haven't selected a dialog option.

[worn fjord]

Well if you confess to Marie while you’re dating Lettie, you’ll get a “consent” chat from both. If that’s what you want then choose that option. If not, then choose the other

But yea totally get why it feels like cheating in a way despite the consent convo (ooc stuff aside). Doesn’t really feel like poly too but it is what it is

[balmy storm]

I mean it is just cheating

[worn fjord]

Yea

[balmy storm]

You start dating Marie while dwting Lettie and then tell Lettie “um can we be poly” when its not even poly

Its icky

[worn fjord]

That’s why out of respect for Amir I ended up breaking up with him before even texting Lyon

[balmy storm]

How to tell who’s a real one:

[lofty girder]

Meanwhile Eleanor is just mad it wasn't her who rizzed marie

[ornate oak]

I just wanna hug Marie after this damn it. XD

[worn fjord]

Apparently Amir’s (checked the Kimulacrum) was basically like, I don’t want to lose you so it’s okay

Something along those lines anyways

[fading current]

I have felt the need to just break it off with Marie for Amir. I know his convos say it’s ok…but man the way he describes it and how easily he gets jealous. I just feel so bad. I went for Marie for a fun experiment option and ended up feeling full of regret. Like i was actually cheating on my partner and the convo we had…made me feel even worse with Amir. That convo didn’t feel like he was telling me “yea it’s ok for us to be with others” it felt like a “oh damn you can be with another but I can’t stuck in this loop?? When I thought you were the one for me” idk. It just feels wrong to me.

Literally broke up with Marie cuz I felt so bad from it lol

[worn fjord]

Exactly

[fading current]

I love Amir more…I spent more time with him and even just “experiencing certain romantic moments” felt so wrong

[vale ledge]

Currently Loved by Marie, Best Friends with Lyon, out of conversations with Roathe, and just completed this week's descendia. How come the cutscene for the reunion isnt triggering when I go to the Necralisk?

[worn fjord]

Bugged

[vale ledge]

INHALES
EXHALES

[worn fjord]

We’re all in the same boat

[vale ledge]

pain

[worn fjord]

Sinking but not drowned, DE will save us

[ornate oak]

Oh god... things are getting so heavy today. I'm pretty sure I know the answer he'd like the most, (bottom one) but I don't know if that's the one I want to give... I really don't wanna go to Kimulacrum. XD

[worn fjord]

All of them lead to the same convo, words are a bit different but yea last one is the red text you’re right

[ornate oak]

In Rebb we trust. XD

[worn fjord]

In Rebb and the entire team in DE we trust

[worn fjord]

Give the response what you feel is right. Don’t always have to go for a red text (at least this one’s not a big game changer response)

[solid otter]

Best friends, just had that niktoh convo yesterday

[worn fjord]

Oh no..I’m gonna get bugged againnnnnn

But in DE I trusttttt

[solid otter]

:(

[worn fjord]

Did your Roathe profile change too :((

[solid otter]

I don't think so?

Wait shit

It did

[worn fjord]

Oh no

[dark remnant]

The last one is objectively the correct one; Roathe is teaching the Drifter how propaganda works.

[worn fjord]

Again, we’re all in this sinking ship but DE is here to save us

[ornate oak]

Well yes, but deifying an individual seems more on brand for the saying, considering we're being satirical here.

[worn fjord]

Ha true lol

[ornate oak]

I have the terrible feeling that I'm going to turn out to have had a fundamental disagreement with the writers when it comes to Roathe, because given everything he's said, and everything I've seen, ||I do not believe that Ballas and Margulis were in love||

[dark remnant]

Ballas was "in love" with Margulis. I'm not sure Margulis was in love with Ballas, given he could have had her executed on a whim.

[lofty girder]

I don't buy that bull about Ballas anyway, but i did pull off Roathe's redemption ending

[worn fjord]

I think the writers included his perspective about it on purpose

To make ppl second guess

To make ppl discuss

[dark remnant]

The right and proper thing to do, in such a heavily caste-based society, would have been to elevate Margulis to the Orokin, thus minimizing the power differential. Ballas didn't do that.

[ornate oak]

Sure, but I can't discuss it with him, and that's the main person I care about convincing, because it's improtant to her character arc

[worn fjord]

Roathe believes what he says about their love is true but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right. Well we heard it from Lotus herself right? About Ballas

[obtuse gyro]

based on the very first time we heard their voices back in TSD, I'd say she was

[lofty girder]

Yeah but that'd clash with her outfit and god knows the orokin value drip above all else

[obtuse gyro]

execution wasnt going to be a factor in her choice

[ornate oak]

Yeah, that's my point really. I don't think Roathe has the same deffinition of love as I do, and I can't tell him that.

Roathe says Ballas would have killed a baby for her in an instant, and all I could think was "Well yeah, he would have killed a baby in an instant for a lot of things."

[obtuse gyro]

I mean roathe does beat you over the head with it. Why do we assume the worst person we know is incapable, even for the briefest moments, of love as we know it

[dark remnant]

And in many ways, it's not about Ballas. It's about Roathe. He doesn't feel he deserves to be loved, and so he's trying to argue with himself about it.

[ornate oak]

Well, I didn't assume in the case of Ballas. I examined the case and came to a conclusion.

[obtuse gyro]

But you did examine the case of ballas, because theres only one case lol

[worn fjord]

Yupp, it was the writers plan all along. I mean the whole “Can the Orokin ever be forgiven?” - we’d have to discuss about love and stuff eventually

[tight pagoda]

IMO it was mutual, it's fitting for the characters and adds an extra layer of tragedy to it.

[worn fjord]

Right!!!

[dark remnant]

As it is, I'm hoping that the next hotfix will unbug the hopelessly bugged Anathema flag on Roathe.

The reset mechanism should never be an excuse to leave these conversations in bugged states because 'there's an easy fix.'

[ornate oak]

Ballas loved the idea of Margulis. He could never truly love her because he could never understand her. He proved that with his actions. Roathe excuses it as "insanity" but it was possessiveness. He wanted to own her emotions, and she shared them with someone else.

[worn fjord]

DE won’t leave it in bugged states at least. I’m sure they’ll work something out

[ornate oak]

Ballas dreamed of a Margulis he could control, but she chose death over him.

[solid otter]

I think its Roathe being in denial tbh

[ornate oak]

My problem is that I can't tell Roathe he's wrong.

[solid otter]

Very similar situation to how he feels about Loid and Albrecht as well

[solid otter]

Thats my issue too, we agree and therefore reinforce that denial he has

[ornate oak]

I haven't finished everything yet, but so far I've not seen any option to correct him. Just accept his faulty premise and pass judgement based on that.

[worn fjord]

Fr yea

[solid otter]

Where's the thing I sent a few days ago hold on

[obtuse gyro]

I dont agree with yalls assessments lol

[solid otter]

"Have we considered that Roathe tries to justify Ballas and Margulis' relationship because hes projecting and doesnt want to accept he was in an abusive (and or toxic) relationship"

[worn fjord]

Correct me if I’m wrong but we can only tell him he’s loved when a player confesses right? (RoatheLoved boolean) but we don’t even have that boolean activated for platonic love for the ones that didn’t date him :((

[solid otter]

Oh shit, Id need to ask my mate

[obtuse gyro]

Roathe is also like, aware, that what he had with nitohk was crapped out the doodoo, thats what he outright states in a rank 5 convo

[solid otter]

Yeah emotional growth, thats a thing

[worn fjord]

Pls DE platonic love boolean when lol

[solid otter]

Which is also why I feel he hates Loid's relationship with Albrecht

[worn fjord]

Although boolean aside he does talk about friendships eventually

[solid otter]

He's bitter about how he couldn't have that, while his chat about Margulis is him being in denial about how bad it was with niktoh

Two sides of the same coin

Alternatively he just hates Loid bcs that man would purposefully piss the orokin off

[night grail]

Also maybe a little bit of his hatred for albrecht being misdirected toward loid

[solid otter]

Mhm

[worn fjord]

Yea that’s for sure. He does state that multiple times in Rank 5

[obtuse gyro]

actually he also tells you in R3 too

so its not really a matter of "growth" if its a fact he's running with midway through

[solid otter]

I think he kinda realises that in the convo where you ask if he loved her

Thats... growth

[obtuse gyro]

he straight up tells you, "you lucky you dont have any of this"

[solid otter]

Also

Both can be true

[worn fjord]

Oh I didn’t specifically get that line but yea

[solid otter]

One can still be in denial about how bad a relationship is, and still know it was bad. I know that one first hand

Its especially common in emotionally abusive situations!

[worn fjord]

Yea..

[obtuse gyro]

And so thats why I cannot agree on the notion that its projection of his abusive relationship when he talks about what ballas had and thus ballas never really loved and had loved the way we know for a blip in existence.

Roathe knows he didnt have it, and so its not impossible for even ballas, The Worst Person You Know™ had it for a shortest moment enough for Roathe to see it in someone else

the Tragedy is spicier when roathe sees an executor truly love an "inferior" and then watch it all burn

Something possible and rife with potential ruined by empire

[mental ice]

Amen to this, anyone who ever was in toxic relationship would agree. The person who is in one is usually unable to just get out of it, especially when emotional blackmail is involved as well. People only notice they were in toxic relationship when its over and they had time to think about it later. Funny how brain works.

[obtuse gyro]

empire now dead and gone

[lofty girder]

Monke brain refusing to accept it made a mistake

[crimson yacht]

When is there going to be a venus community cleaning. Gimmie og fortuna back.

[lofty girder]

What's the saying? "its easier to fool someone that it is to convince them they've been fooled"

[crimson yacht]

Fax btw

[solid otter]

You know thats... how denial works right?

Its irrational, it doesn't matter if Ballas loved or not, Roathe perceives it as such and he thinks he was the same.

He keeps projecting himself onto lower caste people in relationships with higher caste.

He wants to believe niktoh loved him, but at the same time, he doesn't and hates her.

Which leads into his dislike towards Albrecht and Loid's relationship. He, yet again, sees himself there and doesn't like it.

[worn fjord]

Not only does he hate her, but also wants to skin her alive

If I remember that convo

[obtuse gyro]

If it doesnt matter if it was true or not for the self-denial to function, why are you using it as ammunition that it isnt true

[solid otter]

And he's weirdly orokin™ about it

[solid otter]

... huh

Dude. Im trying to say regardless if Ballas and Margulis did love each other, that Roathe would've done the same either way

Not saying it didn't happen

[mental ice]

I bet Roathe while with Niktoh was feed with rare praise, 10% praise, 90% abusive toxicity (as it always is) so yeah, no wonder he wants to skin her alive now that he has had ample time to look back on everything

[solid otter]

Im saying that regardless of if it did or didn't, he would've had the same reaction

So if it did happen is irrelevant

Its reliant on how he perceived it

[obtuse gyro]

we've been playing a wack game of broken telephone then, because this is specifically in response to the above statement where Spork says Ballas did not love Marge

[solid otter]

... I can respond to a message without agreeing to everything said

[lofty girder]

Look, roathe is projecting, whether or not its accurate doesn't matter

[solid otter]

Its blatantly obvious that he is

Mm emotional abuse and the effects of it

[mental ice]

Roathe did put perspective on Ballas and Margulis though, a valuable one. What kind of Love it was between Ballas and Margulis is hard to perceive really, as everyone seems to have their own take on it. I think Ballas was a bit of yandere driven mad after Margulis met Jade light with no way out of it since he was just one of seven voices to oppose it.

[solid otter]

Curious thing

[obtuse gyro]

hometheus

my entire statement was on how ballas did love marge, in response to spork saying the opposite

if you respond to me taking an opposing stance

youre falling into a line you didnt draw

[solid otter]

"Yalls"

... yalls.

That means a group

Means folk in the chat.

[obtuse gyro]

Homieuridice

tracking back,

you may have accidentally fallen right into sporks camp, which as your later statements show youre not in

because you do end up stating agreement

[solid otter]

Yes this is called growth and perspective

[obtuse gyro]

riiiight about here

[solid otter]

... denial about his relationship

Not ballas or Margulis', his own

[obtuse gyro]

yes but sporks statement is specifically about how hes wrong about Barge

Im tracing the telephone cord here

I get what you mean now but like

[solid otter]

Should've specified myself then

[obtuse gyro]

its a mess back up the line

[obtuse gyro]

yea fundamentally I agree with the notion he's got expensive therapy bills to pay with the mental olympics he's playing with himself

wont help that Nitohk is now signposted to return tho

[solid otter]

Oh shit reckon they're gonna like

[mental ice]

I like how DE are setting up little by little others of the seven as antagonists 🤔 smooth move, as that was never mentioned what happened to all of the seven

[lofty girder]

Well at least 3 are dead

[obtuse gyro]

would be tough since different players have different progress states with roathe

[solid otter]

Pull out her to show the difference between her and Roathe's relationship, and Loid's w Albrecht's?

Idk how to explain what i mean but like

[obtuse gyro]

technically in all states roathe would kill nitohk

[solid otter]

Well, I think 3 are unconfirmed to live, the rest are very very dead iirc

[obtuse gyro]

but as for how he's supposed to think towards in the end its going to be rough to execute

[lofty girder]

Which executors are dead? I forgor, Tuvul, ballas, and lardex destroyer of buffets are the only ones i remember

[obtuse gyro]

tuvul karish ballas and aventus

[solid otter]

Tuvul, ballas, Karrish and Avantus

[worn fjord]

Yea he’s determined to in any Roathe ending

[solid otter]

Somehow Avantus is worse than ballas and thats.

Curious.

[lofty girder]

Avantus was voruna right? If so i don't remember how Tuvul died

[obtuse gyro]

Im betting 2 credits that alad v is tormis or scarne

[obtuse gyro]

thats tuvul

[solid otter]

Tuvul was voruna

[obtuse gyro]

avantus was grineer

[lofty girder]

Ah right

[solid otter]

Avantus got grineer saw'd through her spine

[lofty girder]

Only time the Ghoulsaw was good

[solid otter]

Ehh, so far with what we know she did, she isn't any worse than Daughter iirc

[mental ice]

I wouldn't consider that curious, I mean, looking at it back, Perita almost had peace, with Ballas having deciding voice and at Margulis urging he was leaning for peace. At least it seems Ballas had a bit of control switch that was Margulis as he would do everything for her...and I suppose that was exploited to drive him insance and resentful.

[worn fjord]

This line got my attention though from the VMs

The warmonger faction, headed by Nitokh, pulled one way. The pacifists, under Scarne, pulled another.

Is Scarne alive…?

[solid otter]

If he is, he'd be in the void.

[lofty girder]

I'd feel if there's any executor who'd get ganked during the war, it be the leader of the peace faction

Real archduke franz Ferdinand vibes

[mental ice]

So, which Executors favored peace and which war with sentients?

[solid otter]

I mean in reference to what we know she was like.

She deadass was just a little racist 😭

[worn fjord]

As mentioned: The warmonger faction, headed by Nitokh, pulled one way. The pacifists, under Scarne, pulled another.

[mental ice]

So true 😅

[mental ice]

Yeah and Ballas was leaning peace but what about other four?

[solid otter]

It was split between each other, with ballas being the deciding vote

So, 3 each

[worn fjord]

Yea this

[lofty girder]

And ballas was roleplaying the steelers wheel song

[worn fjord]

Ballas was obliged to decide, and earn the scathing enmity of whichever cadre he did not side with.

For reasons I cannot guess, he chose peace; it was four to three, and so the ravening Sentients were suddenly allies and friends.

"One way or another, he shall come around," Nitokh promised, even as I was dispatched to seek out malcontents among the garrisoned Dax.

[solid otter]

Scarne, Avantus and Tuvul feels, just on vibes alone, to be on pacifist side

[mental ice]

Well, reason I bet was Margulis 🤔 since Roathe did mention he would do anything for her and I doubt she wanted war

[lofty girder]

Probably to try and win brownie points with both sides

[mental ice]

Pretty sure Nitokh was responsible for the codes being changed in the old peace

[solid otter]

Ballas took advantage of the war imo, so responsible by continuing the war

[winged ore]

well it was lotu's original missions to destroy orokin and tenno alike

[hearty pendant]

she was funding the anarchs, ballas has more ties to the codes changing imo

[mental ice]

I think not, Ballas favored peace because of Margulis but look how thngs went after codes were changed. it sets them all up, Ballas and Margulis return to Origin, Margulis protects tenno responsible for war and gets jade lighted because Ballas cannot protect Margulis against all executors.

[obtuse gyro]

if he is, Im still betting on alad v

[obtuse gyro]

imo ballas did it, its politically the smartest move

for ballas at least

[mental ice]

smart for Niktoh too, there would be peace if he stayed favoring it.

[obtuse gyro]

literally satisfies all executors at once

[mental ice]

Possibilites are out there I guess, it COULD have been Ballas but it also fits that the faction favoring war was responsible 🤔

[worn fjord]

I think it’s also because Ballas is “ever the diplomat” as Roathe puts it—

“Ever the diplomat, ever the honey-voiced persuader, he resolved the grudges and disputes of the others.”

[worn fjord]

Salad V strikes again

[lofty girder]

Corpus have such funny antagonists

Nef is a nepo baby with enough generational wealth that it makes him an actual threat, and salad keeps evading death somehow

[obtuse gyro]

its the easiest way for DE to resolve why Hunhow and the aco gang call him an orokin

because he would be one

[lofty girder]

And parvos... Well he hasn't done much out side of Belly of The Beast

[obtuse gyro]

and was just pretending why he doesnt know about the children

[mental ice]

Personal theory (and only theory, not a fact) is that Roathe was responsible for codes being changed at Nitokh urging, because:

• Roathe regrets doing something terrible
• Roathe talks state that for Orokin empire to fall the war had to continue
• Nikoth wanted war.

Margulis definitely wanted peace, because she didn't want tenno continue to fight it and Ballas was leaning peace because of her anyway.

Once the codes changed, it all blew up, just as the warmongers wanted, it accomplished few things:

• War continued.
• Ballas was kicked down a peg, with losing the only person he cared about.

That it put in motion all futre events was inevitable.

[obtuse gyro]

and why he just gives up on learning about it, because he does know

[lofty girder]

Or, schizo theorem, Hunhow used orokin as a slur

[worn fjord]

I totally forgot they called him an Orokin? 😭😭 I need to revisit my notes or the wiki

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, that works now, but Im tired of having to explain that theres Orokin Empire and orokin orokin

[lofty girder]

Tbh its about the same as calling someone Bri'ish

[obtuse gyro]

its not even been a week when I had to explain that the tenno arent orokin

[lofty girder]

Or Fr*nch

[mental ice]

Well, Hunhow is a grandpa, so in his time, the Corpus were a faction within Orokin Empire (which was the only empire)

[worn fjord]

Damn 😭😭

[hearty pendant]

or, hunhow sees someone that's embodying orokin ideals and calls them an orokin regardless of lineage

[mental ice]

that works too, hard to say, I wish DE expanded on hunhow a bit more

poor guy is going to soak all of water on uranus

[obtuse gyro]

just dredge him up for when we need to get to the rail

[mental ice]

I still wonder how did Pazuul come to be? Someone had to be responsible for that one and it definitely wasn't Ballas

[lofty girder]

Lotus thinks Nira had a hand

[mental ice]

Were the archons a thinking being anyway? We never saw them talk 🤔

[lofty girder]

I mean we saw the Wolf talk during old peace

Amar

[mental ice]

yeah but it was pre-archon state

[hearty pendant]

Lotus describes them as being intelligent in archon hunt dialogue, both pre- and post-archon

[mental ice]

But we do off all the archons, so couldn't be Nira

[hearty pendant]

yea, someone has to bring back Nira for Nira to get Pazuul

[mental ice]

So we have someone operating behind the scenes

[lofty girder]

Ballas before we off him?

[mental ice]

Nah, wouldn't have time for that, we literally are on our way to beat the 💩 out of him before Erra gets pancaked

[lofty girder]

Like setting up a few deacons to go through the whole plug in process?

[mental ice]

Or another of the seven 🤔

unles Granum but doesn't seem like up his alley

[hearty pendant]

would he set up a backup for Erra and not himself?
would he set up a backup for Erra at all?

[worn fjord]

Question — When Entrati poses the question “Can the Orokin truly be forgiven?” Was that to see if he himself can be forgiven (in a future storyline) or was it really just about Roathe? Or Ballas?

[lofty girder]

I mean, pazuul is obviously not stable, easier to manipulate

Pazuul drinks the Kool-aid

[hearty pendant]

more himself than anyone else
'if roathe can be redeemed, maybe i can as well'

[mental ice]

But Ballas didn't need pazuul at that point, I mean, he literally was going to boom the origin system to cosmic dust, and he was pretty sure of his victory

[lofty girder]

Idk, im just trying to reason out an explanation that doesn't need a new character to appear

[worn fjord]

Yea I’m leaning towards that..considering all what he’s said so far in his notes as well as cinematics

[tight pagoda]

Nira and the Archons are still Tau-Obsessed zealots

[mental ice]

The only characters that could have makde Pazuul would be:

• Granum (but that's not up his alley)
• Alad V (he does make amalgams but I doubt he had access to archons at all.)
• One of the survving seven which might be set up as next antagonist

[hearty pendant]

Granum's probably busy at that time
Alad V's still radio silent after the first part of TNW
there's nothing that implies or disproves another one of the Seven

[lofty girder]

Hence why i don't like the seven theory, its out of nowhere

[hearty pendant]

mhm

[mental ice]

Granum would make Pazuul loyal, he wouldn't unleash a rabid beast, same withAlad 🤔 no angle there beyond sowing chaos

[lofty girder]

What if archons just... Regenerate shards

[mental ice]

Pazuul could be building an army of sorts, there's definitely some game being played behind scenes

[hearty pendant]

"Nira. Could she somehow be responsible for what Erra has become? A repayment for what he did to her? The Serpent is old, Tenno, and full of secrets."
"I do not know if Pazuul is truly the leader of the Archons, or their puppet, Of all of them, only Nira has the guile to seduce Erra like this."
Nira still seems like the best candidate, despite how odd it'd be. Ballas n Erra didn't seem to have constant eyes on the archons, so maybe Nira set up something in the background?

[mental ice]

The Narmer is still out there, and someone did take over without a doubt.

[lofty girder]

Imma bet on the Occam's razor solution that archons just slowly regenerate shards

Would also explain the weekly hunts

[hearty pendant]

i mean, we know there were tons of archon shards, given that the ones we find in deep archimedea were the ones dropped on albrecht's doorstep for him to study
so the weekly hunts can also just be tossing a new shard in the body n sending them off again

[worn fjord]

I’d like to see if there’s something we can do for Fortuna post-Narmer stuff. Like actively work on it as a quest— but perhaps it will always stay that red colour. Fortuna is not the same as it was after all that

[lofty girder]

"My archons keep getting killed by the tenno"

"what are you doing to stop them?"

"I keep shoving shards into them and sending em out again"

"Sounds like you're just feeding archons to the tenno"

[lofty girder]

Keep the wrecked mirrors and stuff, but damnit let me change the lighting back to blue

[worn fjord]

Yea and I know DE added an option but it’s not in the story yknow so it’s short lived kinda

It’d be cool if we could talk to Eudico and the others more about what they went through and help them in some way

Although I guess bounties in the end do help them

It’s just a game mechanic mostly

[lofty girder]

"Eudico, what the hell is the password for the smart lamps?"

"the Exploiter Orb has it, Sparky"

"Goddammit"

[worn fjord]

“Time to hunt it down again”

[lofty girder]

"you have to close thermia fractures to turn fortuna blue"

100% thermia in 2 days

[worn fjord]

Real The community would really come together for that one

[lofty girder]

Imagine if we have to maintain thermia closure to keep it blue

[worn fjord]

or should I say “lift together” lol

[lofty girder]

If we don't hit 75%, DE turns the orange back on

[worn fjord]

I’d try my best

[mental ice]

I will help, mY wArFrAmE iS sTrOnG

[worn fjord]

If it is a thing, make it weekly. Not every day..more manageable to do that way

[mental ice]

Who does better french kiss, Eleanor or Marie? 🤔

[lofty girder]

Both

Together

[mental ice]

Hot

[lofty girder]

insert gif of 2 chocolate bars smacking together

[mental ice]

I hope DE will never insert polyamory with two of the hex at same time, dating Arthur and Eleanor both would be....an experience.

[lofty girder]

I mean Arthur puts his foot down against it

[mental ice]

they still agree in the end though

[placid orbit]

Dang it, still at Anathema - guess I'll go and get bile spat at me the next two weeks...

[mental ice]

We all wait together

[lean juniper]

I present to you all, peak comedy

Trust im funny guys I swear

[solid otter]

Delightful thank you for that idea

[naive mist]

@glass plover do the descendia 21 times for "redeeming" roathe

[glass plover]

is there a time limit or something?
I have only done it once, the first time last week
I stop at the second checkpoint

[naive mist]

there is... ish he wont stop talking to you, but he might just get upset

[glass plover]

I guess that he wont pressure me with this until I hit the third checkpoint?

[naive mist]

descendia cycles every week, in order to make roathe happy smile time you gotta beat last area of the tower 21 times

[glass plover]

I see I see

[naive mist]

not necessarily all in one week/day but if you do it all quick fast and in a hurry its better tm

[glass plover]

well, thats an issue
havent had much drive to play recently XD

[cosmic prawn]

There's a point where it will check for 21 completes and initiate a fail state if there not done

It does give you an out though

[naive mist]

also you dont have to descend the entire tower 21 times, just do the last area as you get a check point for the week at that point

and if youre doing it on regular with a good enough build it takes like 30 seconds to finish the last area

[glass plover]

the most investment I have done is installing potato XD

if I forma one, I feel inclined to forma all
and I just do not have that many forma

[naive mist]

I only forma primes or unique variants

[glass plover]

even that is still a lot for me

not to mention the omni forma
if Im gonna forma, might as well do the all-purpose one

[naive mist]

with the exception of like a 9 forma prova

[naive mist]

ehhh

omni forma are rarer, more expensive and not really worth filling more than like 2 slots

if you want to go for it, but regular forma is typically the way to go except for umbral mods obviously you need umbral forma for that

[glass plover]

I dont really use umbra mod that much

[cosmic prawn]

Vinquibus is really the only one that calls for Omni-forma,because the melee and primary share forma polarity

[naive mist]

yo are you holding on to a bunch of umbral fomra?

[hearty pendant]

even then, half of the useful mods are under for primary rifle/melee anyway

[naive mist]

^

[naive mist]

does that mean you have umbral forma laying around or? because i have some plat if you dont plan on using that forma

[glass plover]

yeah, I have some umbra forma
I dont think I have many tho
(cant check now, still at work)

[zenith jacinth]

Forma isn't tradeable

[naive mist]

not even umbral forma?

[zenith jacinth]

Especially not umbral

Can't even buy that from the market

[naive mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-gif-21055622

[zenith jacinth]

If you need umbral, best start farming steel essence

[glass plover]

hm

[naive mist]

yeah but teshin isnt always selling umbral forma and its on an 8 item rotation for each week, is it supposed to be umbral forma next week?

[zenith jacinth]

Idk, but why not have essence for when he does

[hearty pendant]

looks like 3 weeks until umbra forma

[zenith jacinth]

I can't buy anything from him bc I want the steel essence honoria

[naive mist]

yeah I know, I spent most of essence today, but odds are ill get it all back before next week in an hour long survival against the murmur while cracking relics

[zenith jacinth]

And the riven sliver honoria

[naive mist]

3 weeks

[zenith jacinth]

The agony of having 100 riven slivers I can't use

[hearty pendant]

wait there's a riven sliver honoria

[zenith jacinth]

Sunderer

200 silvers

[hearty pendant]

ig i have to check if i already have it
because i have way too many slivers all the time

[naive mist]

I got sunderer and still have 892 slivers

[solid otter]

I got it

I think most of my slivers come from resource boosters from the two prime packs I bought

[hearty pendant]

90% of mine come from the first botb

[naive mist]

grinding levels probably

and I typically take boosters when they are on the daily login so

[glass plover]

oh, you guys do buy stuff

[hearty pendant]

oh god
i have sunderer and 1858 slivers

[glass plover]

https://tenor.com/view/el-condor-pasa-umamu-horse-what-the-hell-ran-gif-2041601371843163867

[plush sandal]

Decisions, decisions...

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-bob-blob-stare-gif-1160213367645308177

[hearty pendant]

if i buy everything in that shop every week, it'll take just over a year to get rid of them

[glass plover]

what did you do, man???

[solid otter]

Locked the hell in i guess 😭

[hearty pendant]

that's better than what it actually is lmao

oh where the hell did these all come from
i only had 500 after botb

[plush sandal]

Rooky numbers...

[hearty pendant]

incredible

[glass plover]

whats botb?

[hearty pendant]

belly of the beast
clan operation that had basically no regular enemies, all were jade eximus

[glass plover]

your greed sicken me
give me some of that

[plush sandal]

I hated that so much, holy shit. xD

[glass plover]

that was months ago

[plush sandal]

I wish I could. There is really no other use for them besides Palladino which is sad. sighs I wish we had some special weapons or cosmetics that would need these.

[hearty pendant]

first run was june 2024
barely touched the second run

[glass plover]

oh, right, there was a second run

[hearty pendant]

would be great
even just. a larger kuva or credit offering in that shop would work

[plush sandal]

Yeah

Like wtf is it soooo low?

[hearty pendant]

can spend 35 slivers per week

[plush sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[pure merlin]

He doesn't, he pretty much takes it as a joke. It's not really funny tho

[jagged summit]

I agree, I believe he takes it as a joke for his own sanity cause he legit must be tweaking like “there’s no F way they’re serious rn” 😭😭

[pure merlin]

Oh yeah
It sounds like a dialogue option you would be getting if you're not dating him too

[floral badge]

AOI NOO SHES CHEATING ON YOU

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-gif-17511868351874922325

Oh my god dude...

[uncut solar]

Lmfao

[floral badge]

He blocked me 😭

We've beeen dating for a day this is too real

[uncut solar]

Geniunely hilarious

[golden tulip]

oh my god i dont know whether to laugh or cry for you lmfao

[night zephyr]

I'm sorry this is so funny

[floral badge]

It is 😭

There was an option to say "i think youre full of shit"

[night zephyr]

He definitely woulda broken up with you for that one

[zenith jacinth]

Doubt

[solid otter]

He is absolutely right, Loid is tired all the time.

[floral badge]

I love this game

[obtuse gyro]

yeouch

[solid otter]

That is entirely on you and your choices, aint it?

[obtuse gyro]

Loid when he's got tweedledee playing assassin's creed and tweedledum playing Date Everything

[mental ice]

lol what am I reading... xD

[floral badge]

Yes

[solid otter]

And he has to do this shit sober bcs theres a giant ass pit right next to where he stands, and i have a suspicion that any form of intoxication might result in harm

[obtuse gyro]

I bet him and mother crack a cold one every now and then

[mental ice]

Not just where he stands...he literally lives in a hole under infested planet, with someone rap tap tapping as neighboor...and he sleeps there too.

[solid otter]

Him and Grandmother probably drink tea in the morning too

[solid otter]

If he sleeps. That man looks like he uses stimulants to keep himself up for days

[mental ice]

no kidding and up until now his talking buddies included talking animals, he's experiencing mushroom trips without mushrooms

Albrecht: You might go crazy talking to Cavia, so I made you a necraloid, so you can talk with yourself.

I'd question Loid's choice of partner (The guy who keeps him in his cellar's freezer alongside talking animals and synthetic copy) if my character wasn't romancing a girl with tongue that has mind of it's own and letting it penetrate his mouth (and hopefully not deeper) each month.

[floral badge]

How do you get the kiss scene i guess i f***ed up by not saying that i love him 😭

[cerulean kiln]

Hex or Triad?

[solid otter]

Honestly, Albrecht is a pretty tame partner choice. Albrecht is just a bit odd

[mental ice]

'a bit' 😅 though I do wonder, seeing how 'ends justify means' Albrecht is, if sacrificing Loid was a way to stop Wallace, would he do it? 🤔

[solid otter]

Considering he couldn't even do that to his cat, I don't think he'd do that to loid

[mental ice]

I...am personally unsure, but luckily we will never find out. Different question, since I can't seem to find answer to that: Is there a logical reason why Operator cannot visit devil triad? The operator stayed in origin, he's using the bath with lotus to see memories, so how come he can't go there? 😐 the portal is literally in sanctum.

[zenith jacinth]

1. Loid froze himself, that wasn't albrecht
2. I sincerely hope you care about eleanor on a deeper level than that

[floral badge]

Triad

[zenith jacinth]

Are you on loved status with him

[floral badge]

Uhhh..he curently has me blocked

I think it still says close

[zenith jacinth]

21 descendia?

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah you need loved for the kiss

[floral badge]

Ive done descendia today

[zenith jacinth]

Have you done 21 total

[floral badge]

Probably just screwed it up cause i didn't say "i love you"

[zenith jacinth]

Likely that too

Because that's just dumb tbh

[cerulean kiln]

Does his notes say anything about how to fix it?

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

Begin again

[exotic nebula]

Roathe is still on Anathema even though i did descendia 21 times what do i do? i can't reset the triad either 😭

[glass plover]

its been one week!

[zenith jacinth]

Did you get 21 voice messages

[exotic nebula]

15

i have the honeria

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah you need to get all the messages

[exotic nebula]

he stopped sending them after 15

[balmy storm]

Just redo the roathe fight

[exotic nebula]

but i have done it 21 times

[zenith jacinth]

Or wait until tomorrow

[balmy storm]

Do it again
If it doesnt show up wait til reset

[exotic nebula]

i just faught my 26th? roathe still no new vms

[balmy storm]

Could just be bugged, the triad have been very buggy

[exotic nebula]

the devils triad is more like the buggy triad

[balmy storm]

I’d say expect a fix this week but idk
Hopefully but we shall see

[zenith jacinth]

Afaik the VMs have some weird pattern in when they're sent

[balmy storm]

The devshort is tomorrow so

[balmy storm]

Have you seen the flowchart
Some of these chats are insane 😭

[exotic nebula]

i just want to date the silly blue man:[

[zenith jacinth]

L

[balmy storm]

Does it even make sense for the drifter to date him lmao

[floral badge]

Do i actually gotta beat him 21 times to ge unblocked?