spoiler-chat

[pure merlin]

You, after it? 👀

[jagged summit]

I mean my main is Yareli and i don't think i could do that to her 🤣

[zenith jacinth]

Also that

[jagged summit]

can't wait for Hildryn's protoframe i'm so curious how she'll look

[zenith jacinth]

Closest to a main I have is lavos but by that logic it'd have to be voruna which I am still conflicted about

[jagged summit]

for now all i can think of is Zarya from OW

[pure merlin]

I mean, they can be both your mains, since they both do completely different things, Voruna's more melee as opposed to Lavos which is more nuke ranged

Lavos is solid tho

[zenith jacinth]

My gameplay style is just the senator armstrong/sundowner approach

[pure merlin]

Lol fair

[jagged summit]

this was extremely fun, nice to have been able take a breather from tweaking abt Roathe's bugged romance, but i gtg now 😔 goodnight guyss

[zenith jacinth]

Genuinely like 3 or 4 of my top 5 frames are just hyper health tanks

[pure merlin]

Tanks are really satisfying in warframe so that's understandable

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos, grendel, baruuk, hydroid, sevagoth

[jagged summit]

have fun with Lyon's chin hole for me

[pure merlin]

I've never heard of a tanky Sevagoth 👀

[zenith jacinth]

3.5 health tanks

[zenith jacinth]

I despise meta so I actually use his 4

[zenith jacinth]

I will not.

[pure merlin]

Oh yeah that makes sense

No matter how many warframes I try and enjoy, I always go back to Inaros in the end, we're a team 👀

[jagged summit]

I meant kisses… what is wrong with you…

[zenith jacinth]

Baruuk is probably the most fun kind of tank because he doesn't rely on a massive hp pool or insane regen rates

[pure merlin]

Yeah that's true

[zenith jacinth]

But also, grendel meatball

[zenith jacinth]

I'm not dating him so it'd be weird

[pure merlin]

I've barely played Grendel and Hildryn, these are the only two that I have no idea what they do

[zenith jacinth]

Grendel just eats and pukes mostly

And to go fast and regen he rolls

[jagged summit]

Yo I’m so sorry idk why but I had the idea you were romancing him mb 😭😭😭😭

[zenith jacinth]

I intend to

[pure merlin]

Well, Ik that for Grendel, I meant more gameplay wise, I've never done a single mission with any of those two apart from the sanctuary, I should probably get to learning them honestly

[jagged summit]

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-med-caitlin-lenox-just-take-the-win-one-chicago-sarah-ramos-gif-2367769598882679060

[zenith jacinth]

Now sleep

[zenith jacinth]

That is the gameplay

[pure merlin]

Sleep or Baro will come eat you

[zenith jacinth]

Eat, puke, roll

[pure merlin]

Fun

[jagged summit]

https://tenor.com/view/meanie-cat-cat-meanie-cat-meanie-mean-cat-gif-10599680892698519833

meanieS*

[pure merlin]

Lyon's chin be looking like

[zenith jacinth]

Lyon looks like a long haired vergil

[pure merlin]

A long haired vergil?

[zenith jacinth]

Vergil, son of sparda?

The storm that is approaching?

[pure merlin]

I have no idea who that is lmao

[zenith jacinth]

How.

[pure merlin]

Good question

[pure merlin]

Just like how I don't get when people say Roathe is voiced by Emett something when I know he's voiced by René Zagger

[zenith jacinth]

Name of another character the VA voiced from final fantasy afaik

[pure merlin]

Yeah fair enough, just confusing how people say it, not everyone knows that other character

[night zephyr]

Emet Selch from FFXIV is the role he's most widely known for and where most people were introduced to him, that's usually why they say it. Though I do agree it's confusing and is usually better to just say the actor's name

[tight pagoda]

I think it's also that not all of them have recognizable names outside of those roles, maybe

[night zephyr]

Right

[tight pagoda]

Like if you're not familiar with previous works you would just default to the thing you know them as

[zenith jacinth]

Like charles martinet, no one knows who that is

[night zephyr]

It's likely most of these actors had worked in previous roles but the character people know them for was their "big break" I suppose

[tight pagoda]

Yeah that's a better way to word it

I think now, there's a lot more recognition for people but it's still not global

Also for Rene Zagger specifically, we know him as Emet Selch because Rebb was obsessed with the character too

[night zephyr]

That's true I heard she's a notorious Emet fan

[pure merlin]

See you tell me Charles Martinet, I know who that is because I've played Mario games, and know the voice actor

But I've never played Final Fantasy, no idea who that guy was before warframe

[zenith jacinth]

He also voices a dragon in skyrim

[pure merlin]

Yeah Paarthurnax

[zenith jacinth]

Partysnacks

[tight pagoda]

She pulled some MTG cards on stream while sick with COVID, actively searching for an Emet Selch one. She kept pulling Laughing Mads, so then put on clown makeup to look like the laughingmad card, then pulled another one-- and she ate it

[night zephyr]

Probably why Neil Newbon and Amelia Tyler got cast too if she enjoyed BG3

[night zephyr]

Oh my god 😭

[lofty girder]

The curse of Jimbo

[zenith jacinth]

I dislike how much rebb's obsessions are influencing the game

[tight pagoda]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV/comments/1l6pvg3/warframe_lead_dev_losing_her_mind_pulling_for/

[night zephyr]

Idk when it comes to voice actors, they're making great choices imo

[misty veldt]

I managed to help roathe yay

[lofty girder]

Roathe's VMs are delivered quite well imo

[night zephyr]

she dressed up as Kefka that's wild lmaooo

[misty veldt]

Real they were very interesting

[pure merlin]

Lmaaooo she lost it

[night zephyr]

I do enjoy them, I think it's funny he's the only one with voice messages (probably cause he's the favorite)

[lofty girder]

Gotta justify the VA lmoa

[pure merlin]

Gotta say tho, not knowing the VA beforehand, his voice fits Roathe quite well

[lofty girder]

Also Roathe's bratty coded voicelines when you keep knocking on his door in descendia

[night zephyr]

The only thing that would make that clip better is if it were playing Dancing Mad

I love it lol

Especially when his voice goes high and he's losing it

That's a side that was not seen with Emet Selch because he was either collected and cynical or insane (angry tone not so much bewildered)

[pure merlin]

And now you have Roathe who cries like a baby when he's downed

[balmy badger]

...Wat.

[tight pagoda]

Paarthurnax. So Charles Martinet has given us the following voicelines:
"What is better: to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
"Wahoo! Let's-a go!"

[pure merlin]

Did you all also know that the VA for Amir is supposed to replace Charles Martinet eventually, he'll be the new voice of Mario and Luigi

[tight pagoda]

He already is

[pure merlin]

He already is ? Oh well

[tight pagoda]

He's been Mario since Wonder, I think

[pure merlin]

Thought it was still Charles and he hadn't retired yet
But pretty cool for him

[balmy badger]

The new VA is really close-sounding to Charles, some people didn't even notice.

[pure merlin]

Would be insane if Reb could get Mark Hamill to play a crazy dude too
Never gonna happen, but would be cool

[tight pagoda]

Arthur - Ben Starr (Verso in Clair Obscur, Clive in FF16 Jimbo in Balatro)
Eleanor - Amelia Tyler (Narrator in BG3, Hecate in Hades II)
Aoi - Alpha Takahashi (Hanako Arasaka in CP2077, Psylocke in Marvel Rivals)
Amir - Kevin Afghani (New voice of the Marios, replacing Charles Martinet)
Lettie - Melissa Medina (Small roles, nothing I personally recognize)
Quincy - Trieve Blackwood-Cambridge (First voice role, I believe, before that he was a regular in a show called Holby City)

Velemir (and Zeke) - Nick Apostolides (Leon Kennedy from RE)
Flare - Mark Holcomb (From the band Periphery, who they collabed with for Techrot Encore)
Kaya - Juzel Bagabuyo (Seems like her first role)
Minerva - ??? (Can't find anything confirming her identity)
Rusalka - Elsie Lovelock (Murder Drones and lots of smaller roles)
Viktor - Neil Newbon (Astarion in BG3, Heisenberg in RE8)

Roathe - Rene Zagger (Emet Selch FF14)
Marie - Elsa Pérusin (Seems like a French actor with a few roles there)
Lyon - Will de Renzy-Martin (Marazhai in WH40K, Lycaon in ZZZ, Coen in Blood of the Dawnwalker, Milli in BG3)

[pure merlin]

Ben also did a voice for Hades II apparently

Prometheus

[tight pagoda]

Yep

[pure merlin]

And Amelia also did a voice for Amnesia, crazy

[tight pagoda]

Funnily enough Hecate in Hades II has a similar role as Nyx in the first game

[pure merlin]

That's cool

Tons of skilled people

Now get us Mark Hamill to voice a proto aswell

[heady dew]

I hope this convo with Roathe means I’ll get a convo with Lyon tomorrow about uniting the family

Anyone know if I will get a convo with Lyon? Cuz I am at max rank with Lyon and havent gotten a new convo from him in a few days so I hope I’m not stuck

[night zephyr]

I don't think you're stuck, but it may be a bug. Just keep checking in every day to see if he says anything. It should be alright but I can't be 100% certain

[hybrid marlin]

I'd go for it

[night zephyr]

Ask her 👍

[heavy flint]

I think I screwed up. Roathe and Marie arent cueing up new chats, and Lyon still has had a couple but not the one I need according to kimualcrum.

I already had this conversation with Lyon in the two days between me first getting Roathe anathema and me actually getting around to finishing the descendia

[covert dune]

Okay guys, the RoatheFailNo21 was apparently fixxed. You can redeem him now if you do 21 descendia after you get it

Just managed to redeem him

[covert dune]

You can still redeem him with LyonFix conversation

[heavy flint]

It hasn’t come up for me yet and I’ve had a few chats since then… im just a tad nervous

[covert dune]

It took some time for me do not worry. I can send the conv so you know what to do

[heady dew]

I just had this conversation with Roathe today so it better not be a bug and i better get something from Lyon tomorrow

[heavy flint]

I’ll be fine once I get there, I just don’t want to have to reset because the game decided to be weird

Man who knew talking to to pixels on my screen was so anxiety-inducing

[solid otter]

I got all 3 on board lfg

No major bugs, Marie righted her notes, and now im just waiting on Roathe

[waxen sphinx]

I did. But im mainly curious and worried about what was gonna happen if we have a Hex date because I am also with Aoi

[fading current]

You’ll have a convo with them about it.

[worn fjord]

Woah really— that’s great. Did you do a chat before Marie’s notes changed or did they change automatically?

[solid otter]

They changed after the chat to get Marie on board in r5 :)

[worn fjord]

Did it include the convincing Entrati note too?

[solid otter]

Yup!

All 3 notes are back

[worn fjord]

Okay looks like I’m gonna do that chat

Hopefully this works

[long birch]

does each executer embodies 7 deadly sins? 🤔

Karrish = Gluttony
Ballas = Envy
Nitokh = Sloth

[dense sorrel]

Does it take a few days to get the "It is time" chat with Roathe about getting the family back together?

I have all 3 as best friends and willing to help with the family, I convinced Marie that Entrati is a complicated man and Roathe has been redeemed. I didn't get any chats from the trio today so I'm just wondering it it's still a bug issue or just time issue.

[balmy storm]

It’s a theory but not proven as we lack details on most of them
Karrish is the only solid one really, being gluttony

Ring us there’s also the seven emperors too that we aren’t aware if

[digital needle]

Considering that things are often based off emotions or related topics I would say that they might embody certain traits

[balmy storm]

I don’t know if Nitokh fits sloth tbh

[worn fjord]

So while I didn’t seem to get the Entrati note, despite doing so..I got the uniting the family note at least

Ah well at least the system remembers that I convinced her about Entrati.. otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to do that R5 chat

[solid otter]

Progress is progress

[worn fjord]

Oh right did you do the bee convo with Marie? I was hesitant because ppl said they got Anathema with her after that

[solid otter]

Oh yeah I did

Wow. I'm lucky.

[worn fjord]

Okay so it should be working now right?

After the hotfix

[solid otter]

It should be! I did that convo before hotfix, but yep

[worn fjord]

Then tomorrow it is, or day after

Lowkey glad I stayed in Close until the Hotfix dropped

[solid otter]

Should be tomorrow

Same, widely unbugged run

[dense sorrel]

So going through my convos it seems one was altered after the hotfix. I don't know if it's going to affect anything?

[tight pagoda]

We don't know too much about most of them, and for a lot of what we do know about Orokin society, there's probably significant overlap on all sins

[worn fjord]

knock on wood we will stay unbugged

[worn fjord]

Convos altered after hotfix..damn that reminds me I should double check my own

[solid otter]

Gotta keep it safe. Gotta see loid with mother.

[dense sorrel]

I know I never ended anything early so if this bugged but I'm gonna be sad

[mortal plume]

Roathe has me blocked as Anathema, and IDK I kina like it that way.

[small temple]

Guys help. I really don’t wanna pick the wrong dialogue option

I’m sweating buckets over Roathe rn and this chat

[tight pagoda]

I picked "Love her"

[small temple]

Yeah but before he got mad when i questioned him on love

[tight pagoda]

He was shocked and taken aback by your bluntness ||but more importantly realized he did||

[small temple]

OH OKAY

TY SM

Ty sm

I really wanna romance Roathe

[worn fjord]

Just realized but once I rank up with Marie to Best Friends the Entrati note should be there!!! Fingers crossed

[toxic basin]

did the hotfix fix the loid-roathe cutscene? i was told it's unplayable

[worn fjord]

Not there yet..I’ve been playing it safe staying in Close rank

[worn fjord]

So by unplayable does it just not come up?

And does it come after all R6 convos are done or right after that one Roathe convo in R6?

[toxic basin]

yeah. apparently when you convince roathe to convince loid to show up to the entrati family, a cutscene will play

but it was buggy; the cutscene doesn't trigger

[worn fjord]

Damn…

[worn fjord]

Was there a confirmation from Loid at least?

[dark remnant]

I think Minerva's voice actress is Jane Perry, who also voiced Rogue in Cyberpunk 2077 among many other roles.

[toxic basin]

i think there would be. but there's no option at the moment

[lofty girder]

Know what? I see it

Wait does that mean Minerva and Velimir is Reb's attempt at fixing Johnny and Rogue's relationship?

[worn fjord]

@toxic basin Temple here says the Hotfix fixed it for them

[covert dune]

Fr

[covert dune]

I chose "Did you love her"

[primal merlin]

Today I join the "Anathema with Roathe because the game tells me that I have to disobey his orders even though I've already done all the Descendia runs" club. Time to sit in my orbiter pondering whether I finally do my first reset or simply accept that even a redeemed Roathe will probably be a jerk and choose to live with the L.

[cold geode]

Why does Marie look at me like this

Was there a problem with the chat

[solid otter]

Curious

[fading current]

Uhhhhh…she should be biting her lip here…does she not for you after this? Lmao

[eager dagger]

Yo this is killing me 🤣🤣🤣 it’s suppose to be a lip bite but apparently you got the Marie who has Down syndrome

[primal merlin]

I like to imagine that's her heavily scrutinizing you because your entire facial structure looked different a day before.

[eager dagger]

She’s been flirting with the kid this entire time on Kim and she’s wondering why he looks older now 👀

[primal merlin]

Can you imagine the Drifter getting really meta and explaining face blend sliders to their friends lmao

[solid otter]

... do you what down syndrome looks like, because she just looks like shes frowning here

[eager dagger]

“You looked Asian yesterday “ no that’s one of the faces I can use ……

Has to be photo shop

[cold geode]

Did I get dumped?

[eager dagger]

They can’t dump you

[primal merlin]

Certainly an edit of some kind, but good-looking hand.

[uncut solar]

I am assuming it's just AI

[eager dagger]

Has to be

[uncut solar]

Moving on

[lofty girder]

Also Marie's hand isn't pristine

Mods, Sol Gate his balls

[primal merlin]

I do think you can get dumped though. I don't know if by the Triad, but I think there are certain dialogue options you can do to get dumped with the Hex.

[cold geode]

oh shit!!

That's right. It's AI

[hearty pendant]

ah that is just a rule 4 violation, awesome

[eager dagger]

The hand was the give away should have made it closer to to in game model

[primal merlin]

I don't even think it's a matter of matching the in-game model, so much as the sheer unlikelihood that DE would ever do a cutscene of Marie flipping you off lol.

[eager dagger]

She’s just tired of dating you so she shoots you in the face

[cold geode]

😭

[balmy storm]

Stinky

[fading current]

No ai…bad ai….

https://tenor.com/view/ai-bad-mmasonghi-cinemarewind-mason-eubank-boomer-gif-gif-11812595894995010809

[primal merlin]

You know for someone who constantly asks for us to hear him out because he has a nuanced opinion that requires some explanation, Roathe is really bad at listening to the nuance in some of the dialogue options for him. Dude was like "I hate you Eternalism types" because I was saying the Indifference probably exists in multiple states of being, as if I don't literally have another version of me running around. And just starts demanding a very black or white theory on what the Indifference is even though nobody has enough evidence for what the hell it is.

[balmy storm]

I mean we have no evidence for there being multiple Wallies

Not in the way that there’s multiples of us I mean

[rain otter]

Don't use Ai.

[balmy storm]

Roathe being a hypocrite is very on brand though ngl
Orokin moment

[hearty pendant]

he does jump to the "i hate you eternalism types" rather quickly, but he does hear you out after that, at least

[primal merlin]

It's less about there being multiple of Wally and more that it feels like he wants me to explain how the void works when all we really know is time loops and shooting lasers.

[hearty pendant]

though he called me an idiot in that convo too so yk

[fading current]

This server doesn’t allow it but imagine the gif of Matt Mercer saying “frick AI” except he isn’t using the word Frick lol

[solid otter]

The void is easy to understand tbh. Its well established and well known

You should be able to

[balmy storm]

We do know a good amount but that’s more as a collective, you as an individual may not have seen or may misremember something

[balmy storm]

Should be but not everyone has the brain space for everything the game throws at us, which is very valid

It’d be nice if we had things that marked it as fact, or Drifter believes it to be fact at least
They have been wrong about some details and will continue to be

Like calling Wally a god
That’s just incorrect but they can learn, ig

[solid otter]

Void is shit between space, inert until something is inside, which can lead to conceptual embodiment

Eternalism is only vaguely related to the void due to timelines being related

[primal merlin]

I got that same insult after talking about how the Indifference would overrun us if it were a god. He thought I was looking at it like pobbers for some reason? And I'm here like "no moron, I mean in the way that an all-powerful being would be able to summon infinite murmur to just kill us if it was actually all-powerful"

[balmy storm]

Isn’t it technically outside of spacetime since it lacks both?
And eternalism is only related in the way that in theory you can access it through the void (nobody has done this but Wally)

[solid otter]

Thats a better explanation 😭 between space like how its everywhere but not yk? Like a blanket on water. The void being the water

[balmy storm]

Also CE seems to possibly be able to occur outside of the void but our only instance of that is Belric and Rania and their connection may have been formed while within the void (I believe they were on Deimos before being separated?)

[obtuse gyro]

nah, he understood what you meant, he's dismissing it as if its akin to being overrun by lil animals

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah!
I like that, space is the blanket, the void is the depths below

[solid otter]

I do be learning in more visual ways so I use examples like that to understand it better

[primal merlin]

My brain dumbs down the void to "psychically malleable potential energy." I don't specifically remember how the drifter controls the time loops though. And more than that, I don't really understand the nature of Wally. Which is the important part that Roathe seems to love arguing about.

[balmy storm]

I think that was like
Something the game would say ngl

[solid otter]

The loop is related to the infestation and Duviri i think?

[solid otter]

Its how loid would explain the void to Euleria, lets go with that

[fading current]

Didn’t Eleanor breach the void to reach her nun variant/doppleganger? She had to go through the void via mind to reach her nun counterpart. But still had to go through the void nonetheless…? So technically Eleanor and Wally? Accessing another variation through the void itself?

[balmy storm]

We don’t know how Albrecht made the loop but Drifter can control it due to their experience in Duviri, I suppose

[solid otter]

Albrecht making the loop is something I dont think will ever be answered

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah I guess she did access eternalism through the void, she’s our only other example that proves it’s not exclusive to him ig!

[fading current]

YEPPERS!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/loki-gif-23463183

[balmy storm]

Drifter be like

[obtuse gyro]

not exclusive to us, but we hold a monopoly on having an actual manifested copy

[balmy storm]

We do, thanks Wally ig???

[solid otter]

Mother would lose it to learn about that

Theory until drifter exists

[fading current]

Oh my gods…drifter really could be a whole Loki/sylvie situation based on the player. One could have a female operator and a male drifter or a male operator and a female drifter and it’d work…NEW OC IDEAS lmao

[solid otter]

See this is me but instead I just make em trans

[primal merlin]

Doesn't Lyon also have conversations about this connection to Rell that feels like it was always there even though it certainly wasn't?

[solid otter]

Its wally corrupting memories I think?

[balmy storm]

It is def a different situation to a degree as Operator and Drifter were the exact same person up until the deal
But everything after? Their lives, their experiences, their expressions of their self can be entirely different

[solid otter]

Not the first time he's done that.
-# shit in old peace i think?

[balmy storm]

That’s due to the infestation iirc

[primal merlin]

I don't think it was just a corruption, Lyon also felt Rell die after Chains of Harrow.

Or well, I assume after Chains of Harrow. He felt Rell "leave."

[balmy storm]

He only felt him die once he stepped into our time, where he was dead

[fading current]

Well yes…as Loki and sylvies deviations are clearly from different point in time of their lives whereas the drifter and operator is at that HANDSHAKE moment

[primal merlin]

That is correct, thank you for reminding me of that part.

[balmy storm]

Lyon injected himself and due to the infestation felt Rell and Harrow with him in his past and present, both leaving him once he entered our time

[hearty pendant]

albrecht attributes it to wally, lyon and drifter later attribute it to the harrow strain in particular iirc
but yea, lyon has two sets of memories, one with Harrow and Rell, and one without

[balmy storm]

It’s def more the infested’s relationship with time than Wally

[balmy storm]

Yee
It still works but in a different way :]

Actually
If you wanted to you could have the “Loki” one use Loki the frame and the “Sylvie” one use Wisp maybe?

[primal merlin]

Is the Infestation's consciousness transcending space-time explained? Like is it more void stuff or just a weird part of how the infestation functions for some reason?

[balmy storm]

It’s just how the infestation works for some reason

[primal merlin]

God

Dammit

[balmy storm]

It’s hivemind exists at all points that it physically exists
I
Guess

It’s mostly touched on with Lizzie and slightly explained further with Lyon from what I saw

[fading current]

Absolutely!!! And it’s fun either way!! Honestly idk why up until now I haven’t even thought of that kind of story for operator and drifter. Or even something close to it, like one being a diff gender than the other, or OR MAYBE…one being the sibling that survived and meeting the one that didn’t (for them) SOME FUN TWISTS COULD BE DONE.

[balmy storm]

They do kinda have to be the exact same person so idk bout the sibling part but ye
Unless im misunderstanding then mb

[fading current]

Could be like how the drifter sees their younger version as “the kid” but starts to interpret them as a younger sibling rather than just a variation of yourself or “the kid who I don’t have to worry about”

That’s my OC for my drifter and operator at least. Drifter Ace sees operator Ace as his younger brother and has this instinct to want the child safe at all costs. And for the operator Ace to see drifter as an older sibling.

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah I can def see them having a sibling relationship eventually

I really hope we get more moments of them together

[fading current]

Omg same here

I need another lunch moment with them

[balmy storm]

I need my girls to yap more

[fading current]

Sit down at dinner and let’s talk about we’ve gone through lol

[balmy storm]

To each other specifically

We should be able to just do that
Like
Idk where, maybe at the cliff edge or in the dormizone

[fading current]

Drifter: 1999 stories and relationships
Operator: old peace trauma and more

[balmy storm]

Somewhere that’s not in the universe so it doesn’t have to struggle so much with our very confusing existence

[fading current]

I think they said somewhere it’s the void, the sanctum and the zariman where they can interact individually together.

[balmy storm]

The void is outside the universe
The sanctum and zariman are on the edge between

The problem with them existing in one spot is the universe doesn’t know what to do since they don’t make sense
Spacetime throughs a fit

I don’t recall the exacts but it was in the AMA

[hearty pendant]

here

[fading current]

Ayeeeeee there we go

Thanks legend

Sooooo set up a lunch date on the zariman….writes down

[rain otter]

We do that.

[lofty girder]

and this is why Hombask sells furniture, gotta spruce up the dormizone

[muted lotus]

semirelated but the dormizone really should be changed to be a valid base of operations tbh

weird that it's not

[uncut solar]

They said that after Backrooms success they'll look into it

[muted lotus]

see you in 5 years then

[uncut solar]

I will be waiting

Eating cube shaped food

And enjoying shitty parallax in a vista room

[muted lotus]

unrelated but who else just says "sup" to wally in the orbiter at this point, like, the first time they showed up it was like "woah wait why are you here" but it's happened so many times at this point that it's become casual

[rancid pilot]

Pretty much my reaction until 1999

I treated it like having a annoying sibiling/ roommate

[tame canopy]

you know, I would have called this 100% bs if it werent for the fact I reread the description for zariman's incarnon weapons bp from cavallero lol

in the sense that orokin society didnt start off being ontologically evil™

Cavallero's weapons bp desc seems to actually kind of back up the... general idea, that the orokin and their society had its time where it was far more benevolent, for lack of a better word

now roathe is an orokin so his position ought to be accounted for in regards to this recounting of history

Even so, the orokins probably had to start off being benevolent enough at some point, in order to have their standings stratified as they are, centuries later.

[uncut solar]

I feel like literally anyone would want to present themselves as benevolent

You're not gonna go all around parading "yeah I'm evil and shit"

Even if you're at the top of the food chain

You're a "benevolent golden god"

[tame canopy]

I mean prior to this, he conceded the yuvan theater took people against their will so it's not like he's just whitewashing everything

So it's like, 70/30 on whether he's truthful

70 being he's bs

[uncut solar]

I mostly meant that even if the facade was benevolent, they were still absolutely evil

And facade was never "off"

[tame canopy]

See, It's interesting because the devotion roathe speaks of doesn't necessarily have to be borne from legit benevolence, it could just be the result of centuries old propaganda ruling over the origin system

[uncut solar]

It "started out" just means that the symbols and ideals were shown and reminded everyone of

[lofty girder]

They're benevolent like British nobility

[uncut solar]

Yeah, orokin are implied to have started from an ancient cult like shadow government

That's not exactly a benevolent start, I think it has always been propaganda

[tame canopy]

I think I know this theory, is it scaldra?

[uncut solar]

The only thing that changes is then slowly testing the waters

[lofty girder]

I mean... Rusalka has the orokin style arm

And she does have her hair in a braid...

[uncut solar]

Yes. They are an offshoot of an organization called "ORO"

Which is that shadow government in question

[tame canopy]

what, ok that's new to me, and I didn't know that part

👁️ where is that from?

[uncut solar]

Kim from the roundtable

[tame canopy]

Crap which chat was that again, from minerva/velimir?

[uncut solar]

Yeah

I feel like it has always been propaganda. They just took total control and what government wouldn't want to keep people in check with "traditions" and "values"

There has never been "good and benevolent" orokin rule

[cerulean kiln]

Why did the Orokin copy Rusalka are they stupid?

[tame canopy]

[uncut solar]

Like yeah we just purged a bunch of people who rebelled against us

[fierce kiln]

to better scratch their backs duh!

[uncut solar]

Uhh their tools are a symbol of strength or something

Spin the lie and narrative as long as you can

They were gods, by the time naga drums happened they weren't testing the waters, they were diving head first

Something that is starting as devotion now becomes a mandatory practice with increasing decadence

Roathe has the benefit of having a culture that is now dead, to see how him being a part of hit has blurred his views on morality

I guess you can say that uniting people after all the wars is a noble goal, but that's

"more like under new management"

[tame canopy]

neat characterization moment from roathe

also something I've been mulling over, is that roathe, while orokin, isn't executor level, he was considered nitokh's (I forgot the precise spelling) plaything and concubine, and when he got promoted to vice grand regent, the others thought it's a joke, and he also previously confessed he earnestly believed nitokh loved him back so his dymanics amongst the orokins is pretty interesting to say the least

There were always tiers within tiers, as he say in this very chat im having lol

[solid otter]

Concubine? Is that the word? I think?

[uncut solar]

Yeah it is

[solid otter]

I... don't know why I know that word

[tame canopy]

yeah, it exists

VM: COMMISSION

[cerulean kiln]

Funny how they let him keep Grand Carnus rank when he got promoted

[tame canopy]

They really hated that they can't just dispose of him since he's too good it seems

[solid otter]

Something on how he thought Niktoh loved him

I fully think this is why he holds so much hostility towards Loid and Albrecht, even after he learns he took the serum himself, and why he tries to justify Ballas' and Margulis' relationship

[tame canopy]

hmm interesting if I have to guess, he probably thinks albrecht will do to loid the same as nitokh do to roathe himself?

[solid otter]

He is projecting the two parts of himself onto those relationships imo

[solid otter]

Imo He's bitter because when it came down to it, Albrecht did everything to protect Loid, and Niktoh did nothing when he needed her, and threw him under the bus.

Thats like. One half

And the other half is the denial that he faces towards what happened between him and Niktoh wasn't healthy, much like Margulis and Ballas

Peak writing from DE, or I'm overanalysing

[tame canopy]

I believe in DE, they have Thought Of That™, as the meme goes

unreliable POV is always a classic literary tool :3

[solid otter]

Roathe knows Albrecht loves loid and hates that he couldn't have the same

EXACTLY. Fr

God I love it. And hate it at the same time

Because now we got the question of who's Albrecht's other children, and if Albrecht didnt care for Gerivaine or if Roathe is just being himself
-# i dont think he cared for her particularly, he didnt even help his daughter light candles for her, Loid did that.

[tame canopy]

ngl it's still wild to me that the orokins assigned albrecht a wife to temper him, basically

💀

[solid otter]

Its very orokin tbh

[uncut solar]

I feel like that's something that happened in real life among nobility

[solid otter]

He clearly did not like her, but it didnt impact the love he feels for his daughter

[tame canopy]

Fair enough, roathe did say orokins were able to call anyone into their bed chambers if they desire

[solid otter]

Albrecht was weird bcs he didn't do that 😭

[uncut solar]

Because if not the wife, then societal pressure around her would do the job

[solid otter]

I fully think Albrecht doesn't think of that shit at all until some slaps him with it
-# ie like having a child (he can do that)

[tame canopy]

tunneled vision from his void research

[uncut solar]

Lettie's reaction but it's Albrecht remembering he can do that

[solid otter]

Thats legitimately what seems to have happened

[uncut solar]

Yeah, he clearly had other priorities

[solid otter]

He was so focused, thats why the orokin threw him a random wife

I dont even think she was orokin

[tame canopy]

ttyl sp circuit time for me

[dire crest]

I can’t decide if I need to reset or not with the Triad. Marie thinks entrati is complicated but hasn’t agreed to help reunite the family

[night zephyr]

Oh it'll be okay they all have a consent conversation, you can be with both of them

[solid otter]

There would be a later conversation dw

[pure merlin]

Are you max rank with her and the rest of the Triad ? I've heard there's a convo where you can maybe save this

[mystic slate]

does this mean more descendia or that I need to reset?

[pure merlin]

Did you kill him 21 times or more in descendia ?

[mystic slate]

nah

I did the 2 weekly runs every week other than this one

[pure merlin]

Then continue doing descendia until you get all his VM

[dire crest]

I think so. Conversations have stopped for a couple days.

[cerulean kiln]

I've heard you need to get all 3 to agree to help and R5 with the family

[balmy storm]

You can just do the Roathe fight, that should work

[pure merlin]

Max rank is Best friends / Loved

[glass birch]

I hate you Roathe. Why is your progression the most convoluted horrible mess ever? Lyon explicitly told me I had to use Descendia, and now it seems like that also explicitly ruined everything.

Both of these options suck so bad.

[solid otter]

Refuse to do it. He needs to learn the truth. He is scared.

[glass birch]

I miss 1999... that KIM system made sense :(

Bounties, gifts, don't be mean

[glass birch]

thanks for advice

It worked :D

This blue gay is so unstable

[balmy storm]

Orokin moment tbh

[digital needle]

I hate how hard it is to speak to Roathe about the indifference. He gets mad about it a lot. Like, why can’t you accept that I believe the indifference is a 4th dimensional being (or higher) that can play with our reality in ways that make it seem godlike. And that I believe that it always existed and is the REASON conceptual embodiment occurs.

Also, let me date you blue soldier boy! Don’t get pissy at me! I need aurthur 2 in my life ;-;

[cerulean kiln]

You can believe he is godlike but actually a god is never suggested

CE literally has been shown to happen without Wally doing anything so that is just wrong

[dire crest]

Ok. I’m working on the family standing, I’m 2/3 through rank 4

[balmy storm]

Why would he be the reason CE exists what

Roathe to some extent exists to show the devs are aware of theories, to present some new ones and to poke holes in others

[cerulean kiln]

Devs created a man because players wouldn't stop saying stuff about stuff that wasn't true

[balmy storm]

Yeah
He also exists so that we have convos exactly like this

[digital needle]

Wally could easily be making these things happen for entertainment or through deals that were previously made that we know nothing of

[quick smelt]

Roathe is an Orokin

They discovered immortality
They can clone people
They can easily modify the body
They created the Sentients, the warframes, and modified the infested
They can play as the gods described in history

So if anyone can call out that Wally is not a genuine god
It’s the guy who’s part of the group who saw themselves as gods.

[cerulean kiln]

Wally can't just access CE though this was already told to us

[shadow forum]

What is CE

[quick smelt]

“Conceptual embodiment”

[cerulean kiln]

Also the Void was able to do it before Wally even existed

[balmy storm]

What entertainment value was there in letting Drifter CE their childhood bedroom?
Or maintaining a constant connection born of love (the poison to his plan) between Belric and Rania?
Conceptual Embodiment seems more likely to be a natural process of the void rather than something tied to Wally specifically

[echo basalt]

i swear the orokin do be leaning on that pre slaanesh eldar timing

[balmy storm]

I mean the biggest hole here is Belric and Rania’s tunnel of love
Why would Wally let that happen?
Is he stupid?

[digital needle]

Watching it crumble slowly to nothing as he chips away at everything they make. Wally can get a sort of sadistic enjoyment out of it

[quick smelt]

This
It’s something that’s just part of the Void
Wally has as much control over it as we have control over the sun rising and lowering

[balmy storm]

And yet he has no actual connection nor has ever attacked Belric and Rania’s tunnel of love.

[digital needle]

Considering we see orowyrms in it, I assume it’s in/near duviri and so protected by thrax

[echo verge]

Probably doesn't care about it, same as how the Tempestarii was apparently drifting in the void for who knows how long and he never did anything to it

[digital needle]

We see*

[cerulean kiln]

Wally can access CE but he didn't create CE

[digital needle]

Not are agh autocorrect

[balmy storm]

Wally is powerful, quite possibly a higher dimensional being, but he is no god nor has he been shown to control conceptual embodiment
At most he utilizes it, more so than most but that’s kinda it

[balmy storm]

Why would Thrax care?
I’m sorry but you are just trying to stretch it to fit your narrative, I don’t believe this works

[shadow forum]

What if wally was a kid,who was bullied and laughed by others in ship of zariman,which somehow he got void powers used to be evil at some point.

[quick smelt]

You know the Big Fish small pond thing?

Wally is the Only fish in the Void Pond
Until the Drifter obtained void abilities, now there’s another fish in the pond

[cerulean kiln]

That makes 0 sense

[balmy storm]

You’re missing the argument here
The argument is Wally controls CE
So why allow CE born of love, the thing that’s his antithesis?

[plush junco]

What's to say beyond the void pond aren't further horrors

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah, I'm that further horror

[echo verge]

He can control CE, but not how others use it, if that wasn't the case Duviri wouldn't exist since it's literally a world made of emotions

[plush junco]

Dear sol

[digital needle]

Thrax has been shown in acrithis’s logs to actually be a good king, but also be a flawed child. Saying someone wouldn’t care about every scrap of territory their kingdom can keep as bastions against the voids tides would also be dumb for the king to do

[solid otter]

Consider

Wally is from conceptual embodiment, therefore he cannot control conceptual embodiment, as he did not exist when it was triggered

[shadow forum]

Well it would or would not, after entrati found the void and a man in the wall.
With cutting the finger

[echo basalt]

What like a CE detriot

[balmy storm]

I’m not sure if he can control it, due to the nature of it you can’t really control conceptual embodiment

[solid otter]

Yeah that too

[plush junco]

I'm ngl what CE

I just jumped in here

[solid otter]

Conceptual embodiment

[cerulean kiln]

It makes 0 sense because Wally gave the powers and nobody else can do that

[plush junco]

Gotcha

Ty

[balmy storm]

Thrax only really cares for what’s actually within his kingdom though, which the tunnel of love is just not

[plush junco]

How I kinda view CE is the term cogito ergo sum

I think therefore I am

[shadow forum]

So you didn't got it, maybe after you do the hex quest,get rank 5 do the Kim chats and after you reach old peace, everything will.be clear 1 by 1 stuff.

[digital needle]

Since love is known to repel him I doubt thrax would ignore something he can use as a weapon

[solid otter]

Eh. Its not the debate on if they are, its a debate on if wally can somehow control it

[plush junco]

I have done all that

Don't assume shit

[balmy storm]

On the assumption Thrax is wanting to fight back against Wally when all he wants is to protect his kingdom, not participate in a war

[echo verge]

He can "control it" in the sense of creating his own constructs, namely the murmur, just like the drifter accidentally made the inhabitants of Duviri

Tho I'm not sure if the murmur are his doing or Albrecht's, since I don't know much about that storyline yet

[solid otter]

Wally has been attacking Duviri, and uh. So far Thrax has been doing a bad job of protecting it

[solid otter]

The murmur are splinters of himself

[balmy storm]

Why would Wally allow incarnons?
Or anything born from conceptual embodiment, he seems to favor nothingness

[cerulean kiln]

Well we know he can do that

the debate that was created was whether he created CE which just isn't true

[shadow forum]

But what is interesting who is wally and why did entrati said to wally about a love.
That wally has other reaction after that.

[echo verge]

Oh ok

[solid otter]

Oh.

That's... no that. He didnt create it

[plush junco]

Also let's not forget nessi

[balmy storm]

The murmur are just an extension of Wally himself, his fragmented being dealbreakers, likely alt versions of us who he has twisted

[solid otter]

... if he was made by conceptual embodiment, then he did not make conceptual embodiment

[echo verge]

Ok I got confused

[balmy storm]

Also why would he allow the tunnel of love lol

[shadow forum]

What would happen if somehow roathe see wally in front oh the tenno and other's

[cerulean kiln]

If anything he's possibly the first case of CE

[digital needle]

The void has been attacking duviri, so you are literally saying that he wouldn’t use something to protect his crumbling kingdom from an already ongoing war. He has lost countless lands to Wally, and at least one from us fighting Wally, so a weapon that can at least deflect the damage away would be useful, and love has been shown to repel Wally.

[solid otter]

I mean, now we know why he hasn't been able to attack that yet 😭 (love beats all)

[quick smelt]

Love makes Wally go
“Ewwwww!”

[shadow forum]

[solid otter]

There is the entire chance Thrax was not told this by Albrecht. Albrecht didnt seem to figure it out until recently, so I doubt Thrax would've

[balmy storm]

The void has not been attacking Duviri, that would be Wally
Nor has Thrax ever made mention or ever used Belric and Rania or even love at all to fight against Wally, you’re assuming he is even aware of this weakness to fit your theory.

[quick smelt]

Drifter must ascend into Void Entity of Love to truly beat Wally

“Behold, Wally, I’m holding hands with my lover.”

[balmy storm]

Ergo he can’t control CE

[shadow forum]

So if we found deimos the church chapter, that means next stuff maybe happens on zariman.

What are chances of that for the tau

[balmy storm]

Both Operator and Drifter have different forms of love and ways to combat indifference
We’re gearing up emotionally!

[balmy storm]

Can’t take the Zariman to Tau
Gotta plug the void hole

[cerulean kiln]

Love didn't beat Loid's pleas for him to find another way

[solid otter]

I hate you./j

[shadow forum]

Which Ballas created the stuff.

[solid otter]

That hurt

That hurt a lot

[balmy storm]

You mean the sun spot we haven’t seen since the tennocon teaser?

[digital needle]

Kim chats imply that we have been working with thrax to shore up duviri against the void and make thrax a better leader, and I would say a way to protect against Wally falls under becoming a better king, the drifter would just be negligent otherwise

[shadow forum]

of check the computer near loid logs. On sanctum anatomica

[quick smelt]

Why don’t we take the hole and push it to Tau to take the Zariman there

[shadow forum]

Uhm because it got stuck.

For some reasons like wally.

And angels who used parents and those child's who tried to hide themselves

[solid otter]

Okay but even in isleweaver he doesn't use love.

We just beat the shit out of Wally and he leaves

[balmy storm]

Honestly sounds not that insane, I have no idea how the voidhole is trailing alongside the system

[shadow forum]

And plus as lotus said it would be last time zariman ship will come to a orokin system.

[balmy storm]

Like the origin system is actively barreling through space and the Zariman is following it while plugging the same hole, so it’s not tied to that specific spot in spacetime but is relative to. The Zariman ig???

[solid otter]

Also

How is he out here being the guy who made conceptual embodiment if he's from conceptual embodiment???

How did a guy make something when he didnt exist yet???

[balmy storm]

If he controls CE then why did he struggle to get into Duviri for so long?

Why doesn’t he just CE a solution, is he stupid?

[shadow forum]

Because it's in the ship for some other reasons.

[quick smelt]

If Wally could control the Void enough to use CE
Why was Duvir- oh someone already said it

[balmy storm]

Exactly!

[cerulean kiln]

Tbh he didnt struggle to get into Duviri he just struggled to not get kicked out hence Vagabond

[digital needle]

First Point is debatable due to acrithis’s logs, secondly, he has used strong emotions to fight before, although badly,thirdly, drifter has been working with thrax, and I doubt drifter is dumb enough to neglect to tell about love, finally, with the lack of attacks on Belric/Rania by Wally, it’s safe to assume thrax would investigate

[solid otter]

Vagabond... silly guy

[quick smelt]

Also mind you
Wally itself didn’t truly step into Duviri

A puppet it was controlling did and small fragments of itself

[solid otter]

... thrax can't leave duviri or the area tied to duviri

[shadow forum]

Did someone succeded to translate whst man in the wall said after the Ballas has died and got sended to the void and when lotus tried to close the portal.

[solid otter]

The void isnt duviri

Duviri is a seperate place in the void, but its not the void

[pure merlin]

Think there's youtube videos of the translation, saw one a while back

[cerulean kiln]

It was given to us in Whispers fight

[digital needle]

He can control the orowyrms, orowyrms constantly fly around the tunnel.

[shadow forum]

The duviri is only the story from the book which was awakened by the void powers.
Which was used to talk the story to the tenno children's.

[shadow forum]

Oh

[shadow forum]

So more research thank you il check later

[cerulean kiln]

"VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?"

[solid otter]

Yes. But he can't go into that area himself. Im not even sure he is the one who controls the orowyrms, I thought those were the courtiers

[quick smelt]

He controls them as much as he can control the citizens of Duviri

The “controlled” Orowyrms we fight are more or less the emotional weird folk turning INTO Orowyrms.

[shadow forum]

how lotus got void powers im curious.

[solid otter]

Also you're still not responding to how he made CE if he was a product of CE 😭

[quick smelt]

She didn’t

[solid otter]

She don't

[pure merlin]

She doesn't, does she ?

[quick smelt]

The beams she shot are Sentient beams

[balmy storm]

This still doesn’t explain why Wally would allow for Belric and Rania’s conceptually embodied tunnel to exist in the first place or why it’s still around, it shouldn’t matter if Thrax defends it since he too is a product of CE, if he is the god of conceptual embodiment then these aren’t obstacles to him
And yet Duviri itself is an obstacle to him

This is a lot of assumption work from where I’m sitting

[quick smelt]

Pure TAU energy

[solid otter]

Transference is just a seperate thing kinda

[digital needle]

He does command the orowyrms, as seen in acrithis’s logs. And he has appeared outside duviri before in oraxias event, so I doubt he can’t get at least close. Also the return of scholars island means that it is damaging but survivable to leave duviri

[quick smelt]

Fear Lotus, she can give you Tau status effect

[balmy storm]

He appeared on the Zariman which is on the barrier between the void and realspace

[cerulean kiln]

No, she should fear me as I can pull out her greatest weakness

[balmy storm]

Also Scholar’s island returning is a product of Wally taking the throne?

[quick smelt]

DE when are we getting a new warframe that has ALL status effects

[solid otter]

Scholar's landing isnt the real scholar's landing iirc, its a false one tied to duviri by Wally.

Also, commanding is way different to actually controlling them.

[balmy storm]

Whomever controls the throne controls Duviri

[quick smelt]

The supreme Status nuke

[pure merlin]

A portrait of Ballas ? 👀

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-trailer-cinematic-trailer-grineer-tenno-gif-23972872

[shadow forum]

Uhm so how sentients survived the TAU flower consumption

To the orokin system

[balmy storm]

If Wally was a god, of conceptual embodiment or the void or. Whatever!
Then he would have won by now.

Do you really think a god is so limited by a piece of them being cut off?

[solid otter]

As if wally cutting bits off himself isnt already a thing

[balmy storm]

Only sentient fragments need the flowers for sapience
Full sentients like Hunhow, Erra, Lotus don’t need them

[solid otter]

Mm murmur fragments mmm

[cerulean kiln]

A god would've regenerated those fingers

[digital needle]

I may be wrong about it, honestly it’s just a guess but I never said he was the god of it, just that he is the reason it exists. I’m assuming embodiment is from a deal, and that he existed before it, and that he can’t revoke deals, because if he can, why bother with the Tenno when he could just take their powers away

[quick smelt]

They all hitched a ride into one big sentient to tank the damage of the void while traveling to the Orokin system

They don’t need the flowers to survive either, the fragments just need them to have true free will

[shadow forum]

What if in the TAU they finally find a ways to defeat wally.

[solid otter]

... he was made by conceptual embodiment

How is it a deal from him, if conceptual embodiment predates him?

[shadow forum]

what if lotus removes her helmet and it was margulis without eyes.

[digital needle]

Either eternalism bs, or he was given form from it, and was basically fourth dimensional or higher oro before

[balmy storm]

You’re assuming all conceptual embodiment is from a deal from before Albrecht first stepped into the void when we know the void was observed to be nothing at all until he fell in

You also did call him a god earlier though I may be mistaken

[solid otter]

... do you know how eternalism works in the void

[solid otter]

It doesnt.

The void is outside timelines, so it doesnt work in the void. There is only one wally.

[balmy storm]

Eternalism isn’t a catch all excuse for whatever to happen
Nah that’s conceptual embodiment

[pure merlin]

Honestly just shoot Albrecht in the head and see if Wally disappears
Imo the only reason it exists is because of Albrecht, he wanted to see a "god", and find something, so he manifested it

[cerulean kiln]

CE is so underrated tbh

[digital needle]

As I said, it’s either one, and eternalism is very unlikely

[solid otter]

Death doesn't stop conceptual embodiment, we've seen drifter die over and over and uh.

Duviri is still kicking

[balmy storm]

He didn’t want to see a god nor is that why he manifested lol
Albrecht saw himself as the very thing he fell into, a void
What he met was just that, a void.

[solid otter]

What do you mean by oro??? Do you know what oro is???

[cerulean kiln]

Well it would without a timeloop

[pure merlin]

I said "in my opinion", it's not clear what really happened when he went in the Void, that's personally what I choose to believe

[digital needle]

In simple terms Immortal Souls

[balmy storm]

I mean he
Literally told us what was going through his head

[solid otter]

Oro is mentioned a total of two (2) times.

One, by Albrecht dismissing its existence, another by Teshin, saying its the reason for the tenno to live or whatever.

[cerulean kiln]

Oro isn't even relevant to the lore anymore

[solid otter]

... no.

If its something that is debatable, then it's not something that is a solid thing.

[balmy storm]

Occam’s razor
Wally is a product of conceptual embodiment, the first true conceptual embodiment, a reflection of a broken man who saw himself as a void. A being that wants to both be something, to be like us and to be what it already is, nothing.

[solid otter]

If Albrecht doesnt think it exists, id wager that it doesn't. Especially in reference to the void.

[pure merlin]

Doesn't mean everything he says is what really happened, if you manifested an eldritch god wanting to destroy everything because you had a massive ego, you probably wouldn't want to explain in details how it happened
There's still a bunch of stuff we don't know, even if we got context and lore on certain things, others are still blurry

[digital needle]

Oro is seen on lua with the dead Orokin or Tenno or something floating around, but that may also be because it was in the void

[balmy storm]

Albrecht can be wrong
But
I’m inclined to believe him on this atm

[solid otter]

Teshin is stupidly spiritual, and he isnt particularly reliable because of that

[balmy storm]

That’s not Oro, we don’t know what those “ghosts” even are.

[solid otter]

Id rather believe him then teshin 😭

Like this is entirely dependant on if the character believes if a soul exists.

Albrecht doesnt think it does, specifically in animals, but if it was to, kalymos would have one

[cerulean kiln]

He doesn't even call it a reason to live he says it's a thing enemies have who like us can survive and at the time this meant the frames Helminth connection

[balmy storm]

I’m sorry you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying, I’m not saying everything he said was fact but we know 2 things solidly
Conceptual embodiment is real and how it works
And what was going through his mind

Albrecht sees himself as a void and falls into the one thing that can take those thoughts, those emotions, those concepts and make them real.

If nothing else Wally was given form from those concepts.

[balmy storm]

True
Scientist vs random soldiers that was indoctrinated into those beliefs lol

[solid otter]

Are we sure its not just empathy 😭 bcs that could very much be the reason why we live

[undone lodge]

Too repulsed by the love aura

[cerulean kiln]

Star Wars level healing

[undone lodge]

Just disintegrates when he comes close

[balmy storm]

Exactly, so he can’t be the one to cause conceptual embodiment

[solid otter]

Like. Teshin could just be quoting some random scripture, Albrecht is more impartial due to his role as a scientist. Good on him for staying impartial in experiments

To the point where it almost killed him!

[balmy storm]

It’s either oro is fake or bro’s cat has it

[solid otter]

Catdad behaviour tbh

[digital needle]

Anyway, if conceptual embodiment made Wally, I want to take Marie and Lyon to the void and have them make Sol and Lua into real gods and have em duke it out with Wally lol

[solid otter]

Sol... and lua are real

Its the mucking sun and moon

[digital needle]

Real gods

[cerulean kiln]

Albrecht was just being a pet owner and not wanting to see it die so said anything that might keep the cat from dying

[solid otter]

They're literally the sun and the moon

[balmy storm]

Lyon has been to the void and nothin
Also I uh. Don’t think he has faith anymore ):

Marie may have also, I do not recall if she’s gone on void expeditions

Also to conceptually embody something like that it takes more than just wanting it really hard or believing it to be

[solid otter]

Also, you can't control it, we cannot control the results of conceptual embodiment

[digital needle]

Read my words. Real gods. Into gods. Not just objects. I said gods. Yknow. Things with minds and powers over reality.

[cerulean kiln]

Who's gonna tell Albrecht his pet ain't got Oro and is gonna die eventually when the loop is gone

[balmy storm]

But they wouldn’t be the real sol and lua

They’d be as real versions of them as Thrax and Duviri is to their book counterpart
Very close yes but influenced

[cerulean kiln]

Sol and Lua the real gods of Warframe

[balmy storm]

I’d do that too

[pure merlin]

Wonder what would have happened if his ego hadn't gotten the best of him, and if he never attempted the voyage to the void. If someone else would have done it, and if Wally would still exists, or if something worse/better would be there

[balmy storm]

It wasn’t ego, it was desperation?

[solid otter]

Im gonna explain it to you, really really simply.

The gods, the characters, are the physical things. Roathe torments Lyon about gutting his god (lua), its very clear that the gods are literally the moon and sun. They do not seem to be people.

[digital needle]

Don’t care, I want celestial bodies as real gods not some frickin dude in my walls

[solid otter]

It was... depression and desperation

[balmy storm]

Albrecht def has an ego but he’s the least egotistical Orokin to exist

[solid otter]

He barely has one, he thinks he's a wet sock

[cerulean kiln]

Literally every human alive has an ego

[balmy storm]

Again, they wouldn’t be real gods
But it would be cool to see depictions of them beyond what we have seen thus far

[solid otter]

A very wet, very sad, sock.

[pure merlin]

"As the years passed and with no conclusive proof of the Void's existence, the other Orokin started to lose interest in his pursuit, considering it to be a dead end. Frustrated, Albrecht sought to prove them wrong, and so he hastily volunteered himself to go beyond the "wall between worlds"".
That's what it says on the official wiki, maybe it's miswritten, but kind of sounds like he just wanted to prove everyone wrong and be THE one to discover the Void

[balmy storm]

I do hope we maybe get an Equinox Proto who maybe explores Sol and Lua as gods a bit more, Lyon and Marie gave us a lot but Equinox is like. Dualism incarnate

[solid otter]

.. yeah.

Desperation

Thats. Thats desperation

He was desperate

[cerulean kiln]

Sol and Lua the next main antagonists when?

[balmy storm]

To discover the void was useful*
But yes, he did have an ego but it turned to depression and desperation over time from what I recall

[solid otter]

Marie should've been an equinox

[quick smelt]

The cat will live
She has 9,999,999,999,999,999,998 lives left after the loop is over

[balmy storm]

No, I disagree
Her being a Sister of Sol shows us their religion wasn’t as binary as we thought

Call it a retcon for details we just didnt know but it’s fine the way it is

[solid otter]

I mean like

Both her and Lyon as one character (but two yk?)

Split them mfs in half

[pure merlin]

Maybe later on yes, but I still want to believe that's his ego who drove him to do all of this

[solid otter]

Two whole characters

[balmy storm]

Initially yes
We are agreeing by this point

[pure merlin]

I wonder how badly it would have gone if someone like Ballas would have made the voyage to the void tho

[solid otter]

"You want to believe" isnt evidence enough compared to what we know what happened

He tried to be useful to the orokin, because it seemed that if he wasn't, he wouldn't be allowed continuity. At least imo

[balmy storm]

I do really want an Equinox Proto who delves into dualism more than Marie and Lyon did
Maybe she looks down upon both of them, Lyon afaik loses his faith to some extent and maybe Marie is too devout in others
Equinox Proto being a purist

[balmy storm]

I wonder if the void would have even had the energy it has now tbh

[solid otter]

We know that continuity wasn't a right all orokin had, and given how his arranged wife deadass died, it wouldn't be looking good for him

[balmy storm]

It is interesting that it was observably like
Literally nothing til Albrecht fell in

[digital needle]

I’m also gonna explain it to you. Yes they are objects, but they also have a ‘will’ according to their theology, and can plan and think as well. They also have personalities, with lua being hard truths and sol being more emotional/empathetic. they literally have said in Kim chats and hollovania that while yes, they are physical objects, they also have a spiritual aspect that influences day to day life. I’ve been trying to say that I want that spiritual, more humanlike aspect to be made real through the void.

[balmy storm]

Continuity also wasn’t a guarantee til Albrecht made the void useful!

[pure merlin]

Good question
I hope we get so much more lore on the void, Albrecht, and the orokins in general when we finally get to Tau

[solid otter]

They.

They wouldn't be. The same. They wouldn't even be remotely the same

[balmy storm]

I really like that Sol and Lua aren’t specifically male or female, it’s different depending on the variations in dualism across the globe :]

[digital needle]

I never said they had to be the same

Just that I wanted them to be made real

[solid otter]

Also

I don't think you would even get characters. Youd get an object. Conceptual embodiment is fickle.

[balmy storm]

I do wonder if the Sentients ever engaged with the Void to any degree themselves, while it is a poison to them if they evolved to be like us they’ll be just as stupid and research it anyway!

[balmy storm]

I mean you could
If Drifter held onto the beliefs of Dualism rather than holding onto their favorite storybook we could have seen something very different!

[digital needle]

They probably treat it like things that are poisonous or radioactive and research it anyway

[balmy storm]

Big trauma + holding onto a safety blanket + void = things

[solid otter]

Also

Lua has a real affect on the world, guess who manages the tides, the gravitational pull of guess who the moon.

The moon controlls the ebb and flow of the ocean

[balmy storm]

Yeah so like humans lol

[balmy storm]

And the sun is a deadly laser

If dualism was real I’d hate Sol

[undone lodge]

I thought things were okay now. What happened to the blanket

[solid otter]

Wonder if Albrecht did the same? Holding onto the memory of his daughter I think?

[pure merlin]

I'm sure some of them probably did evolve to be more void-ish sentients, it would definitely be interesting to see some kind of new enemy type where it's sentients controlled by the void, or a new "civilization" of sentient living in a part of the void

[balmy storm]

Then she would have manifested when he fell in
I think Wally taking on his form and considering what he told us of what he felt and thought really shows what was in his head to some extent

[zenith jacinth]

"Void lugger"

[pure merlin]

True

[balmy storm]

I mean it’s like
Literally toxic to them so idk if they can adapt to that ):
but I would like to see them utilize voidtech somehow

It’d be like if humans had an innate built in weakness to fire and us evolving into fire elementals
Like uh. No… that’d be cool tho

[solid otter]

Mmm, true. He did think of his daughter after he landed onto his "lab floor"

[digital needle]

They probably have removed the weakness by now by having the researchers exposure be studied and like, adapting through that

[solid otter]

Ihm

I don't think thats. How that will go down

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder if CE could be forced and controlled. Get a specific concept stuck in someone's head through repetition, then make them feel intense emotion before/while throwing them into the void

[balmy storm]

There is a theory their weakness is essentially what makes them sentient in the first place

[pure merlin]

Ngl that Tau update is gonna be fire and it needs to release ASAP

[solid otter]

They'd need to be weak to the void imo, especially if we are to fight them imo

[balmy storm]

Best I can offer is you get a song stuck in your head and forced trauma

[balmy storm]

Yeah they do kinda need a weakness for gameplay reasons if nothing else

Like if they evolved to adapt to the void somehow they need to have lost something else in return

Maybe a civilization of void fairing sentients that are weak to everything but?

[solid otter]

Not asap. God not asap.

Let them take a year. God let them take 2. We saw what a unfinished mess the triad was

[undone lodge]

Imagining racist ones like Hunhow was sending humans they’ve kept around to deal with any Voidtech 40k style. Except it’s not 40k so they don’t die of horrible Void radiation injuries afterwards because of protective gear and are just kept quarantined in like, Tau Oregon

[zenith jacinth]

It's not too difficult to repeat smth enough for it to get stuck and then like, stabbing the offering subject person

[zenith jacinth]

It's this year

[pure merlin]

Hunhow is racist ? 👀

[solid otter]

Lyon had a whole ass unfinished conversation, lines were left in, they messed up the update site and accidentally dropped a time for the triad, just in general the whole triad's Kim system

[digital needle]

Hunhow hates Dax

[balmy storm]

Yeah granpa needs to be cured

[solid otter]

Humans. Humans. He hates humans.

[balmy storm]

No, he hates the Orokin and lumps all of humanity together as Orokin.

[pure merlin]

Bring him the baby, he'll change his mind

[balmy storm]

He’s racist towards humanity when his gripes are with the specific class of loser blue tyrant billionaires

[solid otter]

Sitting here watching as transmasc/men are represented by hunhow, racist space grandpa

[zenith jacinth]

What

[digital needle]

He has a womb

[solid otter]

He has a womb

[balmy storm]

Womb haver

[solid otter]

Much like myself. NOT FOR LONG THO

[zenith jacinth]

That's. Probably metaphorical. But I forgot about that so fair point

[solid otter]

Oh no he deadass just has one, thats how Natah and Erra came into existence iirc

[pure merlin]

Does that means he's Natah and Erra's mother too ? 👀

[digital needle]

Does that mean hunhow and praghasa were lesbians?

[solid otter]

Why does having a womb make you a woman? I just established him as a trans dude

[zenith jacinth]

Could still just be a metaphorical womb

[digital needle]

I said were

Not is

[solid otter]

You did not mean were as in that.

[digital needle]

I did

[solid otter]

Also

He was always like that.

So your argument falls apart

He was always masculine

[digital needle]

Stop assuming that I don’t mean what I do

Fricking rude

[zenith jacinth]

"My mother was a carpenter, my father, a farmer"

Hmmm

[digital needle]

Hermaphroditic then?

[zenith jacinth]

"My mother was a tailor-"

[quick smelt]

Sentients can birth their own children

So Hunhow meant a genuine womb, or rather Sentient womb considering they’re not flesh humans so their anatomy is different.

[pure merlin]

I thought the sentients kind of, "built" their children or other sentient friends, like robots? They can literally give birth ?

[digital needle]

Or they are birds lmao

[quick smelt]

Hunhow birthed Natah

[zenith jacinth]

Human classifications inapplicable

[quick smelt]

It’s hard to describe because we haven’t been given much info regarding how Sentients can create their children

[digital needle]

Oh god, how do they reproduce with them, because if they do it the human way, hunhow and praghasapraghasa are literally the size of cities and that would be horrible 😭

[pure merlin]

That's fair, ig 👀

[undone lodge]

Praghasa is way bigger than Hunhow

[pure merlin]

Do I misremember aswell or wasn't it the orokins who created the sentients ?

[undone lodge]

Enough to fit him and everything else brought inside her

[zenith jacinth]

Hunhow is one city at most

[zenith jacinth]

-# Heh

[solid otter]

Scrap.

[quick smelt]

We just know that any sentient can birth a sentient considering Hunhow describes he has a Void-Scarred womb

[digital needle]

They are stupidly big

[zenith jacinth]

What

[solid otter]

I know what joke that was

[night zephyr]

Hunhow mpreg

[thick jolt]

any non fragment one at least

[solid otter]

Adding that to the pile

[pure merlin]

I think I prefer my version of sentients building each others like robots 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Remember, the sentient that became the three eidolons was like twice as big as hunhow

[solid otter]

Well they don't do that

So get used to it

[digital needle]

I’m sorry, how did we get from CE to sentient reproduction

[solid otter]

Mentioned hunhow's womb cuz I was bored

[quick smelt]

I mean
They technically do “build” them
Like how we humans “build” our children.

It’s just not like humans do

[undone lodge]

An Archimedean in the Corpus (I assume having been given some stuff by Ballas just because like, the sheer level of it)

[quick smelt]

Hunhow where’s the book about Sentient reproduction

[pure merlin]

I meant like lego really 👀

[night zephyr]

Flashbacks to the Robots (2005) opening scene

[quick smelt]

Do something since you’re stuck in the ocean

[digital needle]

lotus needs it

[zenith jacinth]

Right next to the book on how to draw dragons

[undone lodge]

What pile

[night zephyr]

I had one of those 😭

[solid otter]

The times where mpreg was mentioned in regards to warframe

[zenith jacinth]

We found kris deltarune

[solid otter]

Yesterday we had someone who said loid was breastfeeding, so that was. A choice.

[digital needle]

W H A T

[undone lodge]

Oh god don’t remind me of that

[quick smelt]

Maybe we need to reconsider free will.

[zenith jacinth]

I'm suddenly glad that I spent the whole day in RDO yesterday

[undone lodge]

I think we should just do a Narmer and put one person like, idk me, in charge of it

[undone lodge]

RDO?

[zenith jacinth]

Nah it should be me frfr

[digital needle]

No, Rebecca

[quick smelt]

NO

[zenith jacinth]

Red ded onled

[solid otter]

And there's the joke where Albrecht pregnant w Euleria.

Which is horrifyingly possible

[night zephyr]

Speaking of Narmer the worst part of it is not the mind control, but the evil Fortuna they replaced my forbluena with

[digital needle]

It’s either that or the rich(orokin) take it over somehow

[night zephyr]

Give us back the synthwave palette PLEASE

[pure merlin]

Do you really hate red Fortuna that bad ? 👀

[quick smelt]

My forbluena replaced with malignant foreduna

[undone lodge]

I don’t trust her to. What if she puts Kingsley as her Erra

[night zephyr]

No it’s not bad i just like the blue one more 😔

[digital needle]

Yes, keep the gold accents, trash the rest

[zenith jacinth]

I'll send exploiter to fortuna if they don't switch out the lights

[undone lodge]

It’ll set the Poly Negotiations Committee back by like, 3 years

[pure merlin]

I like red Fortuna 😔

[digital needle]

It’s ballas’s design

[night zephyr]

Emperor would say that, because he is evil 🤔

[pure merlin]

Yeah bring Ballas too aswell

[zenith jacinth]

There's a psychological reason to prefer forbluna, as blue is a calming color

[night zephyr]

Can we tie him to the ceiling

[pure merlin]

To the ceiling fan and put it on max

[night zephyr]

Yes

[night zephyr]

It sure is

[pure merlin]

Also, The Emperor, or another Emperor ? 👀

[digital needle]

Can we give legs ballas’s legs (jk legs doesn’t deserve that)

[undone lodge]

Also the red and gold clashes with the rest of the decor awfully-

[undone lodge]

Give Legs the Narmer Orb as legs

[zenith jacinth]

You cross out your absolutely true statement

[night zephyr]

The squid headed mastermind I’m looking at right now 👁️

[pure merlin]

Replace his hands with legs

[pure merlin]

he's not eviiil, he's awesome

[undone lodge]

Replace his hands with Stalker scythes

[pure merlin]

10/10 would let him take over the world

[undone lodge]

Post-JS stalker scythes

[pure merlin]

That would turn him into a weapon

[undone lodge]

Mecramorph Legs

[zenith jacinth]

Blade as the shoulder

[night zephyr]

I jest, I think he’s morally gray because he’s at the core a creature doing what it needs to survive. Not gonna lie i think mind flayers are awesome so I sided with him my first time playing

I was like whatever. Go my squid

[digital needle]

Get grandpa hunhow to make legs some sentient arms

[pure merlin]

That's why I keep saying we need a mindflayer warframe

[zenith jacinth]

Nyx

[night zephyr]

Squidframe real

[pure merlin]

But she has no tentacles and isn't a squid 😔

[digital needle]

Hydroid

[zenith jacinth]

What we really need is a flumph frame

[digital needle]

When will we get a ballas punching bag and floof both irl and ingame

[pure merlin]

Something else than Hydroid

[pure merlin]

When DE brings him back and give him a redemption arc

[digital needle]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-plush-pour-milk-slam-against-wall-loud-thud-gif-26707601

Ballas floof moment^

[pure merlin]

Ballas torture

Executor Ballas ? More like executed

[digital needle]

Fill with bleach to take the blue out

Then force him to work minimum wage

[pure merlin]

You would get along well with the guy who wants to torture Roathe

[digital needle]

I like roathe tho

[pure merlin]

Your killing techniques are similar 👀

[digital needle]

Wage slavery?

[digital needle]

Lmao

[pure merlin]

Pretty much

[digital needle]

This would make me walk like new war ballas

Ludo plex game idea: punch ballas.

Or ballas skin for duviri punching bag

I literally just saw that on my feed

[balmy storm]

Oh
Oh no

[digital needle]

Notice how the text for ballas was blue through the hologram and red in person?

[balmy storm]

I

you can not be serious

[pure merlin]

Based on what some people said, it's because we see him as an enemy ?

[digital needle]

Is it?

[balmy storm]

Yeah
That’d be why

[pure merlin]

No idea but that seems a good explanation

[digital needle]

Because then the hologram would be red

[undone lodge]

Oh god what it is this time

[balmy storm]

Just read the above

[cerulean kiln]

DE also use red for allies sometimes

[balmy storm]

Like literally whats happening rn

If we read into every detail to the point anything can mean anything then what are we doing

This is giving “X smiled and thus is Wally”

[pure merlin]

Probably because, and that's gonna be far fetched, the tenno doesn't remember fully what happened during the Old Peace, Ballas' hologram at the beginning is just an hologram, Tenno doesn't expect to see him in person, and when they do, they still recognise him as an enemy

[digital needle]

Adis smiled! Wally confirm!

[balmy storm]

I can unironically see DSiege doing that

[balmy storm]

I don’t think that’s too far fetched when we literally did not remember what happened and the whole quest is us reliving these memories

[pure merlin]

Are his theories not really considered reliable ?

[balmy storm]

They are very much so not reliable, no

[cerulean kiln]

Siege once made a video that was Cy must be Wally because there were temporary void effects

[pure merlin]

Eh fair enough, I'll watch someone else

[balmy storm]

99.99% of all loretubers are not reliable I am sorry to say ):

[undone lodge]

That Kubrow looks a bit too happy…

[pure merlin]

Lmao what

[digital needle]

Dog prime skin can’t close its mouth fully, Wally is dog!

[balmy storm]

I used to watch him as well as some others and it
Was not great
It is much better to utilize the community and direct things from the game itself

[cerulean kiln]

He's literally known for being the everyone must be Wally guy

[undone lodge]

???
Right after being told Ballas had already voted (past tense) and it was peace

[pure merlin]

Marguilles

[balmy storm]

The Orokin Archives and Kimulacrum are the absolute best third party sources for lore as they just use what’s from the game

Like the official wiki is even flawed

It’s either those two sources or just take it from the game itself

[pure merlin]

Oh well, mb, didn't know

[cerulean kiln]

Wait chat
Lotus smiled at me
Must be Wally

[balmy storm]

Theories are just theories but woof
Loretubers aint it

[digital needle]

Nora never shows her eyes, must be Wally!

[pure merlin]

Deleted the link in case

[balmy storm]

At least with communing with the community you can have an actual conversation and get direct evidence

[thick jolt]

yeah biggest issue with loretubers is they never tell you when their theories are just that

they pass them off together with actual lore

[balmy storm]

She does actually!
I know you’re joking but she does show her eyes once!

[cerulean kiln]

The issue with Siege is he doesn't state that they're theories

[balmy storm]

This extends beyond Warframe too lol

[thick jolt]

yup

[digital needle]

I know she does in nihls oubliette

[thick jolt]

none of them do rlly

[digital needle]

Baro never shows eyes and became creepy in October, WALLY CONFIRM!1!1!1!1!!1

[pure merlin]

I rarely ever watch theory videos about Warframe, I usually just go back reading stuff and then write my own stuff on the side, thought maaaybe he would have interesting things to say, but yeah, if it's just to say that Ballas is wally, prob not worth watching

[balmy storm]

Even when someone states its a theory it sometimes doesn’t even matter, if a video is convincing enough people will just take it as fact :/

[fierce kiln]

well he actually had a deal with him

[digital needle]

So do we

[balmy storm]

There is def something there but it’s prob not E Ki’teer being Walldorf

[cerulean kiln]

Stallord has the tendency to call his vids everything we know before saying stuff we don't know

[digital needle]

Probably baro ki’drifter

[fierce kiln]

either scaro kiteer was baro taken over like rusalka or more likely it was a wally copy of him since he doesnt remember any of it happening

[digital needle]

Scaro kiteer is genius

[pure merlin]

What if it's just Baro going through a phase and pretending it never happened

[balmy storm]

Could also be another version of Baro but those were said to be compressed into one Baro so idk man

[fierce kiln]

so at least during one month he is wally

[undone lodge]

It’s Baro Ki’Teer’s evil twin who’s actually Wally’s “evil” (good) twin. A Void trader who gives things freely and buys normal space things to take back.

[cerulean kiln]

Stallord is also the reason there's players who believe the Grineer Empire is a matriarchy

[fierce kiln]

hes the guy who puts real weapons to become prismarized for baro to find and bring back!

[digital needle]

It is though?!

It’s said ingame

[cerulean kiln]

Where?

[digital needle]

Kuria and constantly by grineer

[fierce kiln]

well only at the very top, all other high up figures/ bosses are male except the sedna one, who isnt a military person but more a celebrity

[digital needle]

For our queens and such

[cerulean kiln]

People keep saying this before never providing anything saying it

[thick jolt]

it's just the queens up top

the same unchanging queens since forever

[cerulean kiln]

It's never called a matriarchy specifically

[thick jolt]

it isn't a succession of queens it's just the two(one now heh)

[digital needle]

That’s a technicality not a argument

[pure merlin]

The queens were orokins before right ?

[cerulean kiln]

It may have female queens but females aren't given special higher ranks over men

[balmy storm]

I believe Stallord implied the idea that all women in the grineer hierarchy were above the men, not just that they were a matriarchal society

[thick jolt]

ye

[digital needle]

Ah

No that’s not true

[thick jolt]

shunned for being twins and so resembling clones

[digital needle]

It’s equal under the queens

[balmy storm]

Y’know technically women can be kings
I checked cause we are called king in Duviri but we are not solidly male

Language is weird and evolves over time, meanings are lost and changed

[thick jolt]

not to mention lost in translation (boy does this haunt me on my everyday)

[balmy storm]

Ye

[digital needle]

Funny idea- Orokin derelict gun skin. The ship looks like a gun. It will be funny

[thick jolt]

lol

[pure merlin]

Unrelated to the current conversation, but we have no confirmation that the executors (apart from Ballas), are dead right ?

[digital needle]

Yea

We are soooo doomed

[thick jolt]

tuvull is dead according to drusus
and there's that one from the simaris logs killed by grineer

[pure merlin]

So we got Ballas who managed to escape Tau, and the queens (unless someone tells me they left Tau a long time ago)

Meaning there's def other orokins who escaped Tau

[thick jolt]

he didnt escape

[digital needle]

And that one Voruna killed? I think????

[thick jolt]

nevermind missread

was thinking of the sun portal

[digital needle]

OH GOD

[thick jolt]

that would be tuvull

[pure merlin]

Nah I mean I could say bs too, I don't remember how they said Ballas left Tau

[thick jolt]

he simply left

not too hard at that time

[digital needle]

Ballas’s fell into the void on praghasa. He could be alive in there like teshin.

Oh GOD

[pure merlin]

But considering he'd be the 3rd Orokin we encounter, I have no doubt that other executors might have escaped too

[thick jolt]

we didn't see him fall no

[digital needle]

shhh! Let us kill him again!!!!!

[humble orchid]

Fellas I'm so confused atp
How ||do the Drifter and Operator meet||? How ||did Ordis get the ship running||? How ||did the Warframe get back||?

[pure merlin]

I wonder if Nitohk is still alive, if Roathe would go back at her service, or if he would find the strength to attempt to kill her

[digital needle]

New war. Repair nanobots, transference.

[thick jolt]

we see them meet right during the new war, precisely in the zariman scene

ship was never broken so ordis just had to turn it back on

the warframes never left

[digital needle]

Isos show they have nanotechnology

[humble orchid]

I'm currently in the New War quest, but how do they actually like talk in person?

[digital needle]

That’s my guess

[digital needle]

No one say

[balmy storm]

Avantus, Karrish, Tuvul and Ballas are all confirmed dead
Nitokh, Tormis and Scarne are unknowns
We have zilch on the Emperors

[thick jolt]

only in void touched spaces

otherwise they occupy the same space and only one can be "out"

[humble orchid]

Got it

[digital needle]

DO NOT SPOIL THE BABY TENNO

[humble orchid]

And that's where the choice come from

[thick jolt]

yeah

[pure merlin]

Yeah fair enough, I would love a confrontation between Roathe and Nitokh tho

[humble orchid]

It does say something about it being in the void

I need an extensive lore guide atp 😭

[balmy storm]

I wanna say he talks about not finding records about it but I’m not sure?

[humble orchid]

Anyways thanks for the info fellas, I'm out

[digital needle]

Talk to @balmy storm they are a lore master

[balmy storm]

I really like the idea that Nitokh has some relation to Garuda
Either being turned into her or Garuda being made for her!

[humble orchid]

Will keep that in mind

[pure merlin]

There's one convo you can have with him where I think he does say that he's unsure if she's still alive, but if she is, we're f word

[balmy storm]

I’m always happy to help where I can! Myself and many many others :]

[balmy storm]

She’s scary in a hot way
Like Garuda!
Haha we might be in danger

[humble orchid]

The part I don't like is that I can't read the lore, like in other lore-focused games

[pure merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-simpsons-i'm-in-danger-im-in-danger-gif-12212469452113785130

[digital needle]

I finally finished clearing out some steel path planets and WHO WAS GOING TO TELL ME I GET DECORATIONS OF THEM!

[balmy storm]

Oh! Look up the Orokin Archives! It has (most) of everything the game has ever had!

[pure merlin]

Imagine if they bring her back and then everyone start saying they miss Ballas

[humble orchid]

Is that in-game or not?

[balmy storm]

The creator of the archives is a one man team and unfortunately has not had time to update the site for some newer content

[digital needle]

Mini star chart here I come

[balmy storm]

No, but it’s the best I can offer

[undone lodge]

Stalkers codex says he watched them get killed

[balmy storm]

Okay that’s very possible since apparently he was the least terrible???

[humble orchid]

Hey I'll take non-ingame and non-up-to-date rather than nothing

[pure merlin]

Found it

[undone lodge]

Which makes sense, since they were in the middle of personally giving us awards according to it

[balmy storm]

Wait fr? The rest of them? :O