spoiler-chat

[rare ginkgo]

Let My Girl Yap

[uncut solar]

You see

Operator is a traumatized child and most of what they can say is just reflecting on the environment

But Drifter

Drifter will throw quips, a lot of them

Drifter will make dumb jokes and comments about everything

DE is just sparing us

From "death by... Impalement" on parazon finishers

[rare ginkgo]

You say that like I wouldn't be alright with that

Hells, Stupid Idiot Pun Woman?? 10/10 would like a damn forest

[uncut solar]

That's fair honestly

I would've fallen for that too

[real zodiac]

idk how many people found it but i came across a secret room.

ik its the dark refractory but still

[cerulean kiln]

Congrats you found space mom

[zenith jacinth]

DE not wanting to pay the drifter VAs even more

[cerulean kiln]

Considering how the Opetator ones are Drifter being quiet is a good thing

[zenith jacinth]

tbh rebb is probably spending the entire VA budget on celebrity VAs that she likes

[thick jolt]

Congrats you found a not secret

[rare ginkgo]

Damn shame, I really like the actress for one of the Drifter voices. I think it's Raven? The one with a bit more dust to her tone.

She hits that tone where she's juuust teetering on the edge of "damn she's so cool" and "damn put cigarettes out on me"

[rare ginkgo]

If you search "operator" under options it should come up with the ability to turn them off entirely if you don't like them but prefer kid-mode^^

[lunar mural]

that's the room where multiple people have intercourse -> org

[zenith jacinth]

that'S not even secret, it's literally on the minimap

[winged sandal]

I've done 21 descendia and still have anathema am i to wait for reset?

[zenith jacinth]

you gotta get all 21 voice messages too so yea probably

[sharp kindle]

hey question do we have anyone who grabbed the Family dialogues after the loid cutscene?

[pure merlin]

Probably no one since it's still bugged

[sharp kindle]

people did get it

but idk if anyone grabbed it

[primal gyro]

Is that supposed to trigger once you reach best friend status with the triad

Cuz i just recently reached best friend status with roathe but nothing seemed to happen or there werent any new options when i visited the sanctum or the entrati fam

[sharp kindle]

its bugged so dw about it too much

[pure merlin]

It's supposed to trigger once you've had Marie, Lyon and Roathe agree to help you reunite Loid with the Entrati family upstairs, and then reaching max rank with all the Devil's Triad members, but it doesn't work currently

[primal gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-rail-railed-railgun-shockwaves-gif-27462201

[fluid canyon]

Definitely bugged. I can't even talk to Roathe anymore. I went from "thanks for not doing Descendia" to me doing Descendia and becoming instant best friends with Roathe

No idea how DE is going to fix that. Are we going to get to redo all the convos we missed? Just reboot the Devil's Triad? What?

[pure merlin]

It's honestly probably going to depend on where people are, maybe the convos you missed might be re-triggered and then you'll be able to do them. Otherwise I guess you'd have to make a ticket and explain the situation. It would suck if most people had to reset because some convos or cutscenes didn't trigger properly

[solid otter]

I just think some triggers are just missing

Logically, this conversation should trigger marie agreeing to help Loid reunite with the family, but it doesnt

[worn fjord]

The convo where it does is R5 C4, she asks if you can convince Roathe/or if he’s already been convinced

[solid otter]

... can that conversation happen before you can redeem roathe? Bcs if not that's really funny.

[worn fjord]

Yea it can

Although it does have the Boolean check for RoatheRedeemed and RoatheFamilyDelay

[solid otter]

[worn fjord]

There’s a bug currently that doesn’t detect those Booleans tho heads up

[solid otter]

Oh for hells sake.

[worn fjord]

I mean the convo would go in your favour either way

[lofty girder]

Booleans, how do they work?

[worn fjord]

It’s just the system tracking the choices you made

In KIM

[solid otter]

Oh. Yuppie!

[lofty girder]

I know, its a joke based on magnets

[solid otter]

I got everyone but Marie onboard

Dating Lyon, redeemed Roathe, Marie is not a asshat anymore

[worn fjord]

Same here. I’m just waiting for that bug to go

[solid otter]

Hopefully I get that conversation today

[worn fjord]

I want it to detect that boolean

[solid otter]

Do we have an estimate on the next hotfix or are we waiting on devstream?

[solid otter]

THATS TOMORROW

WELL. TODAY FOR ME BUT THATS TOMORROW

ACTUALLY

[worn fjord]

Yea hopefully it happens

If not then it’s probably gonna be the 9th

[solid otter]

Let me not get that conversation and let me go mostly unbugged

Just let me get that convo tomorrow

Praying to Rebb

[worn fjord]

Exactly, let’s stay unbugged lol

[lofty girder]

Considering this involves her beloved Roathe, its probably high priority

[fluid canyon]

This just happened to me. I was doing ESO when I got a host migration in Zone 2, just before the portal opened. We got thrown into Zone 3, which was still Zone 2, with the timer still running but no enemies. Once the timer ran out, we got thrown into an orange void, and then I landed here in Zone 3/4, with no enemies, no timer, efficiency stuck at 20%, and no way to end the mission without failing it. This was me ten minutes in

[ornate oak]

So I'm at like 19 Roathe kills and ||he's is now asking me to stop instead of keeping track of the kills, and I'm wondering if this will actually affect the relationship because earlier he said we should stop in KIMs and I told him I couldn't commit to stopping, but that he wouldn't be alone, or something like that. Is he going to hate me if I keep going?||

Please no indepth spoilers.

[real niche]

You need to do 21 no matter what to continue to the story

[ornate oak]

Oh, ok. Well, since I explicitly told him I can't promise him I won't, I guess I will... Still need the last two Vinquibus parts.

[real niche]

You'd have to go behind his back on the promise anyway if you agreed

[ornate oak]

Last conversation we had seemed pretty wheel spinny anyway.

Yeah, I knew I was going to have to keep engaging with gameplay mechanics and the story probably wouldn't let me not do it, so I knew I couldn't keep that promise as much as making a promise to him would have been an interesting story development. Making a promise knowing you can't keep it is even worse than breaking one after the fact so... Yeah...

Thanks

[boreal pewter]

is something supposed to happen after Roathe says it's time? Because Nothing's happened.

[solid otter]

Bugged my friend, i think

||MARIE. MARIE YOU CAN'T MAKE ME LIKE YOU. DO NOT MAKE ME SMILE OVER THE CAVIA HAVING BIRTHDAYS.||

[solid otter]

Okay so i checked and I haven't got this conversation yet I don't think so lets hope hotfix comes tomorrow and I get it soon after

Marie marie. Screw you for making this so hard.

[misty veldt]

So did a glitch happen because I thought i would get a chance to repair the damage that had happened with roathe in the roathe5day2 stuff but he immediately jumped to "im not helping you since you didnt fulfill the 2nd part of our agreement" I paraphrase yes but am I screwed with him? I would love to get loid back up without resetting everything

[solid otter]

Did you kill roathe 21 times or more?

You uh. Should've

[misty veldt]

Yea i did it day one of old peace dropping

I have listened to all 21 vms

[solid otter]

Mm, could be a bug man 😭

Or you messed up on Marie and or Lyon?

Have you maxxed out the family btw?

[misty veldt]

No i haven't with either im looking at the kimulacrum apparently I now have to wait for lyon to help me

[misty veldt]

Close to but not yet

[solid otter]

Thats your issue i think

You cant do it w out R5 family

[misty veldt]

I cant get him to face his truth without maxed family?

Cause thats what I messed up at and thought i would be able to fix

[solid otter]

Can't get Loid to reunite w the family, I figure theres a trigger needed?

[misty veldt]

Well neither Marie or lyon have had the "i will help you" convo yet

[solid otter]

That too lol

[misty veldt]

Thankfully tomorrow I should be able to max rank since im at 84000 out of 99000

[solid otter]

Probably gotten the delay convo

[misty veldt]

They just haven't said anything bout it to me yet. All I have in notes for them is the loved, entrati is complicated man, and lyon and I are close. Thats it for Marie and lyon separately

For roathe I have the failed to convince and for some reason drifter thinks he would begin a romance with them right now

[solid otter]

Yeah definitely should be able to, I dont think you can miss that if you're Mr0 😭

[misty veldt]

I just never bothered to get anywhere with them until I discovered helminth and got to rank 3 for the stuff

[solid otter]

They've made it substantially easier to rank up w the family

Proud to say I did it before the old peace

[lofty girder]

They doubled the standing values of all tokens except mother

[misty veldt]

I noticed I've been breezing through the standing easier.

[lofty girder]

And now Grandmother tokens are always worth trading for

Seriglass shards also got halved in price

[misty veldt]

What was the original price for it?

[lofty girder]

Grandmother tokens

[solid otter]

20 tokens.

[misty veldt]

I would have cried if I had to do that

[solid otter]

I didnt cry but I did bite the walls a few times

[misty veldt]

Poor wally

[solid otter]

He deserves it

[lofty girder]

There's a reason people celebrated when trumna prime was announced

[solid otter]

Screw that mf wall.

[misty veldt]

Fair

[solid otter]

Yk its kinda sad we'll never get a vitrica prime

It is.. kinda a prime by itself, i guess

[long birch]

like paraceis

[lofty girder]

I wonder if DE will throw out a weapon only prime set

[long birch]

weapon that only have prime variant?

they already released a few right?

[granite estuary]

Got a potentially weird question for y'all:

Anyone here swap between Backrooms and Orbiter depending on the activities you plan on completing? Like If I plan to do mostly 1999 and later stuff I'll go Backrooms, and for starchart map stuff, I'll go to Orbiter.

[solid otter]

I mean, they did just release a few primes seperate of Gyre prime

[long birch]

no

[mint linden]

So close yet so far Game already gave the option to romance the evil blueberry but I'm dead set on this poor French man

[versed cove]

Did i go wrong somewhere why is she not talking to mee?

[real niche]

You're meant to be blocked

She'll open it up and then come back with some other KIM, but frankly I'd just wait for DE to fix the convos because I know Roathe's is buggy

[versed cove]

I did the waiting where i told here about if the soul religion would let innocent people get killed and now idk what to do lol

[night grail]

No its just orokin

There is a difference

Especially since its a weapon wielded by an orokin orokin i think it would have been commissioned. I dont think any orokin would go "yeah let the plebians have a more lame version of my special weapon"

Trumna is an exception afaik because it was actively used in warzones and eventually people went "Hey this weapon has proved its worth so let's prime it or something"

[tight pagoda]

There's a confirmed hotfix within 24 hours, maybe just wait

[versed cove]

Okk

[pastel pasture]

hey so i was watching a warframe vide

did y'all know the vanguard frames had mechanics?

volt has a shield you have to shoot in the corners?

[gray orchid]

Finally had the last R4 convo with Roathe. Next reset better give finger guns wink devil boi opportunity at long last

[north oak]

does anyone know if you fail the conversation with ||marie to get a second try at getting roathe to accept the truth, is resetting the whole thing your only option to continue the storyline?|| not sure i like him enough to go through that whole song and dance again

[cosmic prawn]

If you destroy the origin point of Protea's rewind it knocks her down and cancels the heal

They just explode so fast usually that you don't see it.

[pastel pasture]

I think but ||there are conversations that only appear on a reset||

[north oak]

with the whole cast or just roathe?

[pastel pasture]

just roathe

well

Roathe and Marie

Lyon might but i just don't know

the only thing i've seen for Marie is ||her getting a sense of deja vu if the family is already fixxed||

[north oak]

man... i really don't wanna have to do so much work over again LOL

i say "work" but yknow

really just the descendia runs

[honest dagger]

What's up with Roate? ||He asked me to reset, I said I'd find a way to convince him, and now he isn't doing anything it's been three days-||

[obtuse gyro]

how many VMs did you get already?

[honest dagger]

I have the honoria for getting all 21

[real niche]

Bug.

Wait for (probably) tomorrow's hotfix

[karmic blade]

I WAS CLOSE WITH ROATHE YESTERDAY I WENT DOWN TO NEUTRAL TODAY WHAT HAPPENED HUH???

[pastel pasture]

bug

any "kim chat is being weird" is because triad is extreamly buggy rn

[heavy flint]

Speaking of weird, my Drifter and Marie are both hallucinating having admitted feelings? I have been agonizing over whether to do that for a month Marie trust me when I say there was no flirting involved

[warm anvil]

@earnest hollow I was referring to the hex mainly

[hearty pendant]

looks like the DrifterMarie boolean was activated at some point, and then it picked up IsDating from somewhere. guessing its one of the hex, because you didn't get the dialogue for lyon, roathe, or marie at the start of the convo
the first option will end the convo, the second will start dating

not sure where DrifterMarie would've been activated without going through all of your chat histoy

[olive dawn]

what could be the right option in the conversation "can we talk" from marie?

[balmy storm]

You could always check kimulacrum

[heavy flint]

I can only assume it’s a bug, but I will definitely go troll the depths of kimualcum for that boolean to see if I somehow triggered it. I think it’s a bug but I’m going to die laughing if it isn’t because I had the exact opposite problem with Arthur. Texted my friend complaining that I didn’t get the really cute start dating conversation that you can get with him and friends response is ‘did you flirt with him?’ I had not, in fact, been taking the flirt options when they came up 🤦‍♀️

[hearty pendant]

the good part is that there's not many options that trigger DrifterMarie, so there shouldn't be too much searching
but yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if a bug activated it at some point, somehow

[obtuse gyro]

literally its any option where you tease marie

which I can't remember if there were more than the number of fingers I have on one hand

[dire slate]

As someone who's into conversation simulators (i.e., dating sims and visual novels), I try looking before leaping head first, and the conversations with The Devil's Triad are just so often complex with SO MANY VARIABLES compared to the Hex and the Roundtable that I can't be prescient about it. I just sniped Marie with the ||"Roathe would be so proud of you."|| line, and I hate that I have to wait for tomorrow to continue the conversation and know how screwed am I versus picking the other lines.

I love and hate this game so much.

[hearty pendant]

not too many

[solid otter]

Dw you're fine

[dire slate]

Okay phew. It really seems to be the only choice to just stop someone in their tracks.

[hearty pendant]

if you want to know a little more, ||comparing her to roathe is the best outcome of that convo afaik.||

[heavy flint]

Well the good news is it’s not a bug. The bad news is, I’m too Aromantic for this game I swear. I was genuinely curious oh my god

[steep totem]

It happens

[real niche]

||The only immediate fail is if you admit to lying about liking Albrecht to get with her. The two other fails can happen if you use the faith argument if you mentioned you don't follow religion, or if you just flub the entire argument, but those you can still get through and reconcile the family through those if you do them right. The other outcomes are all fine assuming you don't do the obviously stupid thing of trying to date her when dating someone else.||

[obtuse gyro]

unironically, you picked what Id argue to be the best line

[dire slate]

honestly what I just thought versus the other options is make them think they're a hypocrite, which has worked for me IRL a bunch of times.

[heavy flint]

+1, it’s kind of rude but what she really needed to hear in the moment. Also I was a little fed up her in the moment as well, sorry Marie

[obtuse gyro]

actually all the options iirc lead to her realising shes being a hypocrite, well except for the stupid one to confess to her LOL

all the "good" options that dont immediately fail state you

also the fun part is you can skip the thermometer system if you know how to trigger the roathe shortcuts

[dire slate]

I agree to this. Sometimes they just need a bit of a sucker-punch-level of a wake-up call.

[dire slate]

A what now? Jesus there's more layers to these conversations?

[obtuse gyro]

yea, roathes ending is tied to a thermostat which you can tip to hot or cold based on convos with the whole triad

hot = || redeemed||

cold = || villain||

lukewarm = || failed||

[dire slate]

gonna think of that if i need to reset, but so far we're going along swimmingly.

[solid otter]

People still chose that one, remember that

[amber terrace]

I have a really stupid idea for a Protoframe character premise. Albrecht, upon reading the history of pre Orokin earth in 1999 and XX99, decides to travel to ancient ancient^ times to find truly capable warriors for some unknown purpose. For example, Styanax would be a Spartan soldier, Inaros would be a Middle Kingdom Egyptian general, and Rhino would be a particularly unlucky hunter gatherer
^I define ancient ancient as mostly stuff from before Alexander the “Great”

And because I love catering to stereotypes, Rhino, once taught to be literate, would be the most eloquent typer/texter among the group

[obtuse gyro]

just have em all in the same time period

the romans and egyptians were around together at some point

[amber terrace]

I mean, I was more thinking of like Bronze Age to before Alexander the “Great”???

I know that that’s a stupidly long time and doesn’t account for Rhino being from pre agriculture

[uncut solar]

Ivara...

[lofty girder]

Much like how a french pirate, Victorian thief, American cowboy, and Japanese samurai could've had the most amazing DnD campaign

[obtuse gyro]

shit, throw in a timetraveling blueskin from the future that gives the victorian boy an aneurysm and we're solid

[lofty girder]

Fun fact, it is theoretically possible for Abraham Lincoln to have received a fax message from a samurai

[fading current]

My second Tauron strike obtained
(My first was the bow. Madurai rep of course)
Love these little cutscenes

[undone lodge]

French Hydroid, Victorian… Loki?, American Mesa and Japanese Excal/Ivara

[fading current]

Can’t wait to see the others. 2 down, 3 to go. Back to the grind!

[sacred pebble]

Kimulacrum ain’t working

[night zephyr]

I just did this in my chat last night, I was worried I may have gone too far but it was too good a line to pass up. Glad it's not necessarily a bad choice

[sacred pebble]

Bruh is kimulacrum banned in some countries????

I tried vpn on spain and it work fine now

[sacred pebble]

Is this normal?

[cerulean kiln]

No

[hearty pendant]

if you just got to close rank, yes
not intended but it is normal
for the moment

[sacred pebble]

Oh ok

[valid folio]

|| Repair conversations can add 10 to thermo or remove 10 from thermo ||

[valid folio]

|| Marie2Day2 can trigger no date as early as liked if you offend her and don't get the hint that you did ||

[covert dune]

Guys, is it normal that I have not had any messages from Roathe for 3 days now? I have him on Best Friend status

[idle mural]

i think he’s either pissed or is in a dire situation

idk how the 1999 stuff works tho

so don’t take my word

[solid otter]

Bugged or ran out of convos :)

[covert dune]

It's okay no worries
@solid otter Could be, it's possibly a bug because I have not had any Rank6 convos yet so...

[solid otter]

Yeah, probably a bug

[rancid pilot]

Redoing the hex KIM convos, what does it mean I'm at "Close" with Lettie but it locks me out of convos with her stating
"requires more chemistry"

Did I accidentally start the dating route with her?

[cerulean kiln]

Do a bounty with her face on it

[rancid pilot]

Oh so I just did all her "close" convos

[cerulean kiln]

Most likely

A bounty allows you to get the rest of the convos

[pastel pasture]

anyone else end up having two confess feeling conversations with Marie?

[karmic blade]

NOOOO ROATHE ANATHEMA

[pastel pasture]

did you do 21 descendia

[karmic blade]

Yeh I just did

(been busy with school)

[solid otter]

One convo doesnt register for some reason

[misty veldt]

2 factor confirmation bug i guess it happened to me too

[gray orchid]

2 factor relationship auth/confirmation aint bad though to be honest

eager for that hotfix and hoping I didn't lock myself out of relationshipping Roathe 😩

[valid folio]

Want my wifeframe to come to drifter Camp ugh

[pure merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0U5rp5y80o
That looks absolutely insane

[cobalt scroll]

Is she?

[pastel pasture]

i mean she talks about wolves and hunting drifter os

probably a "these scratches on my back will forever be a testiment to our love"

[digital needle]

Imagine if you choose natah when we get to the tau system that all the sentients are nice to you, but with everything else (lotus/margulis) they are disrespectful towards you

Also, I fully expect to date a sentient in the new update

[balmy storm]

She’s a sentient regardless of which personality leads

[balmy storm]

Caliban protoframe

[rancid pilot]

Drifter getting a new romance partner each update, they're starting a harem 😭

[balmy storm]

I kinda hope not tbh
I rather them slow down on protos

I love them, I really truly do but
Man

[solid otter]

One more and let it be loid

[balmy storm]

Limbo loid

[cerulean kiln]

They actually said they are

[balmy storm]

Okay they said that last time and just lied so like
I’ll wait til tennocon to find out

[rancid pilot]

How about we add new NPC's for existing factions to build on them, I want more Operator/Tenno characters

[balmy storm]

I would like some other tenno that aren’t just everyone else who plays the game

[cerulean kiln]

Tauron Academy was a perfect time to show others tbh

[rancid pilot]

The operator/tenno as a faction feel like it's just us (as drifter and operator) and Lotus

[balmy storm]

I mean it’s all of us and everyone we help and work with kinda

The relay and railjack workers for instance

[cerulean kiln]

Tenno isn't just referring to the children

[rancid pilot]

I wouldn't include Loid, since he's attached to the Family, Teshin died and stays in Duviri, Maroo and Darvo kinda fit?

[cerulean kiln]

Teshin is literally alive

And helps Drifter

So he's not unrelated of anything

[rancid pilot]

Yes, but Teshin is stuck in duviri seemingly, so they're basically gone

Like did teshin even get a mention in Isleweaver?

[cerulean kiln]

No, because Thrax was the one in trouble

[balmy storm]

He’s still very much so alive and being a dad to Drifter

[rancid pilot]

Idk, Why i thought Erra killed Teshin, dude's 2/2 for leaving Dax alive after what I assume was supposed to kill them

[balmy storm]

Erra’s one good thing was Caliban and he messed that up for a majority of his existence

[cerulean kiln]

I'm always gonna headcanon the rework was Ballas' input

[digital oracle]

Hello Tennos! I have a very important question to this specific KIM chat, spoilering it for those who dont want to see such stuff but! I had this convo like 3 times now and she wont continuing the chat? Is there anything i have to do pre to this convo that i mightve missed? Or is it just broken? I did manage to ||Redeem Roathe and im on Loved with Lyon as well||

[balmy storm]

LMAO

[pure merlin]

If she doesn't text further it's bugged

[digital oracle]

Yeah i stared at it for 20 minutes and nothing happened so i suppose waiting for a fix will do then

[gray orchid]

supposedly hotfix scheduled for today so fingers crossed

[pastel pasture]

You know what they say guys

...i don't but you guys do

[pure merlin]

Hotfix would have been released already if it was gonna come today

[runic matrix]

sorry if this is wrong place for this. having an issue with an objective enemy in the suda quest being seemingly stuck out of bounds. is there some like /unstuck but for enemies? or do i gotta just restart the mission >_>

[unreal walrus]

guys mme and my friend need to join a clan rlly fast sommeone hhas a clan for us ?

[pure merlin]

#1202034105899040798

[unreal walrus]

the thing is we need to trade something important so we just need to be in the clan 4 the trade

[pure merlin]

Just go to Maroo's Bazaar then

You can trade there

[primal gyro]

did anyone else's last kim chat with roathe change when you checked the kim after the hotfix

i still didnt get the thing where loid finally meets the entrati fam up stairs

[novel quartz]

So, Idk if anyone here can help me but they just did a bug fix on Roathe, and I'm still unable to get smooches despite dating. I can break up with him, but no kiss scene yet. 😔

[novel quartz]

I didn't even know that was a thing! I still haven't gotten it either

[primal gyro]

This is NOT my last kim chat with him

[pure merlin]

Did you get the message from Loid ?

[novel quartz]

This was mine, I never even got that dialogue

[primal gyro]

none

iirc im fairly certain my last kim chat with roathe was about the whole thing with loid meeting the fam

[pure merlin]

And you got Marie Lyon and Roathe to agree to help?

[primal gyro]

Marie and lyon have the note, but roathe for some reason doesnt despite my previous chats with him being the good ending route + my last few chats with him literally was him bringing up the deal with helping loid meet the fam

I have all of them at best friend status (loved with marie)

[pure merlin]

I'm not sure what to tell you then, I just got Loid's chat and I'm gonna see if I can get the cutscene, send a ticket maybe

Unless it's back to being 50/50 bugged for some people

Still send a ticket

[novel quartz]

I'm just gonna wait til 6pm for the daily reset and see if that will maybe fix it

[potent warren]

I'm also stuck with no more dialogues, but everybody has agreed to help. Roathe Redeemed, Marie agrees that Entrati's complicated- I just hope the daily reset procs the scene

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah, most likely needs a daily reset

[novel quartz]

So unfortunate I gotta work smh

[pure merlin]

Yeah I just got the scene, might still be bugged for some people

[primal gyro]

this is gonna be the longest 5 hours until daily reset ⚰️

and im not even sleepy yet

did anyone get the kim chat with roathe where you can ask him "i wonder what albrecht's reaction is"? and then he goes on about something with taking revenge on albrecht if he ever appeared in front of his family again?
this is as much as i remember from my last actual kim chat with him

[pure merlin]

||Since Roathe is in the Necralisk now too, I hope they add Loid there at some point||

[limpid gale]

Hope the Hotfix fixes my KIM chat with Quincy. He keeps thinking I’m dating a member of the Hex when I’m dating Marie

[pure merlin]

I had it, but it's not in my chat history so unfortunately I can't remember too much what the options were, you could look in kimulacrum tho

[keen haven]

Where is my drifter Wolf Hood de???

[night zephyr]

Praise the hotfix

[cerulean kiln]

“Wolf Hood and Umbra Hooded Scarf do not have Drifter variants.
These requires a special setup, so they didn't make it in time with the other Drifter cosmetic conversions.”

[golden tulip]

They didnt fix the Triad Gemini skin's voice lines working if you're dating them? 😭

[fallow sonnet]

Doesn't look like it.

[primal gyro]

THANK YOU THIS TOOL IS AMAZING
this is the real last kim chat i got with roathe

[pure merlin]

Anyone has Roathe half naked during the cutscene ?

[golden tulip]

yes 😂

[pure merlin]

Very helpful to not make a

[potent warren]

Can IO have that scene? For bug purposes of course

[pure merlin]

He's flashing 😭

[pure merlin]

You can have the screenshot I just took if you want

[golden tulip]

hes was so intimidating until they did the full body shot and i was like SIR- 😭 WHERE IS YOUR LOINCLOTH

[pure merlin]

I didn't notice it at first then I replayed it and like uh, something's missing

[potent warren]

Please, that sounds so funny 💀

[golden tulip]

wait the full screenshots even funnier

[potent warren]

he looks so-

[pure merlin]

Quality 100

[golden tulip]

Loid looks so scared im actually cackling

[pure merlin]

It's the "help" stare

[potent warren]

LMAO Thats SO good. omg

[real niche]

Bro is one frame away from pulling up the "Uh oh" sign Wile E. Coyote style

[potent warren]

"So they didn't have pants in the orokin empire. Got it."

[pure merlin]

He looks so pissed too in the Necralisk, he's so chill in the Cathédrale, so weird

He's also schizo now, speaking to people that aren't there

[golden tulip]

yeah hes alot more serious looking upstairs

[real niche]

He'd know that though he was part of the empire lol

[golden tulip]

right?????

[pure merlin]

"I'm about to comit a grievous sin Marie"..Who are you talking to there's only Kaeli in front of you

[golden tulip]

maybe hes embrassed because the first time he went upstairs to meet the fam he forgot his pants

[potent warren]

Yeahh, you right.

[pure merlin]

Imagine if this was made on purpose, like he was so pissed he had to babysit Loid he forgot his pants and now he's pissed because he flashed everyone

Poor Roathe, his villain path made him schizo and a bit of a pervert

[golden tulip]

i love him hes my pookie

[pure merlin]

He's great

[potent warren]

I love collecting the men that fall into the "I can fix him category"

[pure merlin]

Or you can make him worse

[potent warren]

True!! A versatile man for sure

[golden tulip]

i was looking forward to the gemini skin lines tbh 😭 going by the wiki some of them are so spicyyy

[pure merlin]

That wasn't fixed yet ?

[golden tulip]

I can fix him by making him worse 💖

no i just tried :( they seem the same

[pure merlin]

Aw damn, back to Arthur then 😔

[fluid canyon]

Finally, after being bugged for like a week, Roathe is finally talking to me again thanks to the hotfix. We're back to being "close" instead of "best friends." No one else is talking to me so I'm hoping something will reset when 8 PM hits

[pastel pasture]

He just needed time to think

[echo basalt]

And for de to get back to the office

[fluid canyon]

He really had to think about things for... oh, a week. That's normal for an Orokin, right??

[pure merlin]

And time to put his pants on

[fluid canyon]

Now it says we're at an impasse. I wish Roathe would make up his mind! Are we best friends, are we close, are we at an impasse, what?! Orokin cannot make up their minds

[rancid mountain]

Can someone spoil me for Deimos please?

[pure merlin]

Are you surprised ? Lol

[fluid canyon]

I suppose I shouldn't be LOL

[echo basalt]

Its in the shape of a skull

[rancid mountain]

Ig that’s on me should’ve been specific

[fluid canyon]

The KIM says I need to do one thing for him now. Is it Descendia? Do I have to kill him 21 more times? Because I will. Kinda awkward after I started dating him, though

[rancid mountain]

I meant about that family and that netramech or whatever it is? I didn’t find any yt videos I’m curious about it?

[pure merlin]

Try, maybe it'll fix some stuff

[fluid canyon]

Okay, I'm going to go kill my boyfriend a few times!

[pure merlin]

Are you max standing with the family too?

[pure merlin]

Lore wise or how to make a necramech ? Or something else ?

[fluid canyon]

So, Descendia reset and I have to start over. Killing my boyfriend is so inconvenient. BRB!

[golden tulip]

Can someone confirm that other protoframes do actually have unique voice lines for their gemini skins if you're dating them? I dont own any others

[pure merlin]

The hex does yes

[lone axle]

aaAAAaaaaaAAAaa he makes me so giddyyyy

[golden tulip]

ok because i cant find anyone bug reporting the triads in discord or on forums

[golden tulip]

CONGRATS ON THE SMOOCH

[pure merlin]

There was one post made a couple days ago, but you could make another to bring attention to it

If you send the link I'll add a comment too

[golden tulip]

do they check the discord bug reports or should I post it on forums?

[pure merlin]

They check both pretty sure, maybe more often the forum?

[fallow sonnet]

I just bumped the one in the triad bugs section so maybe they see that, if you make a thread too, shout, I'll bump it as well.

[golden tulip]

oh yeah theres a new post about it

[rain otter]

Well it tells you they are the orokin entrati family.

[golden tulip]

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1488120-roathe-lacks-romance-lines/#comment-13463489 if anyone else wants to bump it too

[rain otter]

@rancid mountain what do you mean by necramech?

[pure merlin]

Done

[golden tulip]

thank you! Hopefully they fix it soon, it was what i was really looking forward to in the hotfix tbh 😭

[pure merlin]

Yeah, thought this was going to be fixed today too since I remember Reb saying they focused on the Devil's Triad kim chat and romance

And they're still investigating the issue with Whisper in the Walls, hope that gets fixed soon too

[golden tulip]

yeah, but not the gemini skins apparently 🥹 its not even in known issues, the animations are but no the voice lines

[fallow sonnet]

KIM is still a bit bugged from the looks

[worn fjord]

Yea Marie’s notes haven’t been updated for me for example

I think I’ll wait till daily reset

[fallow sonnet]

roathe's rank5convo7 still shows incorrectly and locks me out of the reunion

[fallow sonnet]

ditto, kinda doubt it changes anything, but worth checking

[pure merlin]

So ig it was better to bump the bug report

[worn fjord]

Oh thanks for letting me know..I’m not doing the convo until it’s fixed

[fallow sonnet]

it might work if you never had the convo PRIOR to the hotfix, but I don't see anybody yet saying it's working

[worn fjord]

Ah I haven’t clicked on it whenever it comes up lol

[fallow sonnet]

Do we know what status folks had, if the hotfix DID give them the reunion?

[worn fjord]

It makes sense if it happens at Close since that’s when the convo comes up right? Or am I misremembering

[pure merlin]

The reunion with Loid at close ?

[worn fjord]

Maybe it’s best friends then?

[pure merlin]

Yeah it is

[worn fjord]

Ah okay okay

[pure merlin]

That's the rank I got it at, today after hotfix

[eager dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/grendel-grendal-prime-warframe-orange-creamsicle-hello-chat-gif-8335281156347721127

[pure merlin]

Oh my god it's Spicy Ball Meat

[eager dagger]

Just saw the hotfix

[worn fjord]

I’m just waiting for Marie’s notes to be updated

And a small bug where she thinks I haven’t redeemed Roathe yet

[pure merlin]

Yeah that's weird

[worn fjord]

But it’s only that one convo

[eager dagger]

Still best friends with the other two and close but anathema with Roathe wtf is this?

[worn fjord]

Maybe we gotta wait till daily reset

[pure merlin]

Wait for daily reset maybe and see if it does anything, or redo the 21 kills, someone said they were reset

[fallow sonnet]

if you think you're still bugged, report what it looks like right now, and update at reset if anything changes, so DE sees it

[eager dagger]

I’m so tempted for a grimwar reset

[eager dagger]

Where would I report it?

[worn fjord]

The forums

[fallow sonnet]

bug reports on here or the devils triad forum section

https://forums.warframe.com/forum/2177-the-devils-triad-bugs/ <--there

[eager dagger]

When would that be and 21 skills?

[eager dagger]

Bless

[worn fjord]

Daily reset is when you get your login reward

[fallow sonnet]

you arent the only one with roathe still at anathema after the hotfix

(assuming you did all the other things right)

[teal steppe]

So, hotfix downloaded, and Marie is still not wanting to talk about reuniting the family...

[eager dagger]

Ah fugg

[worn fjord]

Maybe it’ll change when I get rank up to best friends

[teal steppe]

Greeeeatttt... so I may have to time-loop after all...

[worn fjord]

I don’t want to do every Triad convo again

[fallow sonnet]

I'd wait, personally, not sure it's fixed entirely even with a reset

[worn fjord]

Yea only thing to do is wait..

[teal steppe]

Soooo KIM is softlocked for me until Marie wants to talk about the family...

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-browthy-gif-27553989

[eager dagger]

This is making me hate warframe it shouldn’t be this hard to get an update right

[teal steppe]

Usually in the past with these big updates, its always funky and/or weird glitches that slips through. Never thought a game-breaking bug would slip through.

[feral lintel]

im starting to believe my triad run is cooked, just the fact that roathe says to have patience as he speaks to loid and everyone is on board, but its been more than a weak of NOTHING

[fallow sonnet]

Eh, could be they didn't have/see the reports on all the permutations of KIM bugs. (roathe couldnt be romanced, history/bool flags not setting right, the thermostat, chemistry gain, gemini skins not having romance lines) Could also be some stuff is not a 'code' fix and some is.

[eager dagger]

The entire update is ground to a halt completed everything else can’t progress because some silly text mini game is broken. This is insane. Kim chats were a terrible idea being tied to a main story.

[potent warren]

Hopefully it'll prompt new messages when reset happens- I'm sure DE has eyes on it now that they're back in office

[eager dagger]

It’s bugged

[eager dagger]

Here’s hoping

[teal steppe]

Check all of the notes for your respective triad members. If one of them is missing "has agreed to talk to Loid" or something similar and that convo is not appearing, yeah KIM is softlocked.

Stupid thing is, I also know which KIM convo I softlocked myself on as well.

[fallow sonnet]

you report it as a bug already?

[heavy pecan]

Hi

[teal steppe]

Roathe appears to be missing "Agreed to talk to the family".

[feral lintel]

IT MAKES NO SENSE THEN

because that flag SHOULD BE THERE

he quite literally says "now the work can begin" and does nothing

[misty sand]

I reseted it's fine il try and get all convos with lyon I whas missing and properly do Uriel stuff..again

[fallow sonnet]

check that convo again in your history, it still looks like your screenshot?

[feral lintel]

it is

[pure merlin]

In a couple of hours and kills for Roathe

[teal steppe]

Oh, Kimulacrum isn't allowed I guess. Oookay.
I was softlocked on "MarieRank5Convo4" after the Syndicate rank check failed.

[fallow sonnet]

thats the convo that bugs out majority of the time

[feral lintel]

so, im just supposed to sit on my thumbs and pray for DE to fix it?

[potent warren]

I have the same tags, + dating roathe. I also made the deal for him to help reunite the family.
Just wait till reset and see if the scene for helping the family procs then. If not, post a bug report on the forum

[feral lintel]

thing is, they havent spoken for a week+ now

all 3 of them

[fallow sonnet]

deffo do a bug report

[potent warren]

Its frustrating, sure, but its not like there isnt anything else to do in warframe. there's always something to do

[fallow sonnet]

that convo just seems to be borked somehow, still

[potent warren]

Oh yeah, I was hard stopped in convos for about 5 days too

im waiting as well

[feral lintel]

at this point, im tempted to toggle this on and see what happens

[eager dagger]

Yes

[eager dagger]

Two weeks in 🤣🤣🤣

[potent warren]

aw man, I wish i knew that was a setting- I know for a fact I skipped a few unintentionally

[eager dagger]

There isn’t the main story is all there is rn it’s all tied together

[potent warren]

Are you LR6 with all your areas decorated? idk man, I love the story like anyone else, but there's lots of things to do past that :D

[feral lintel]

i mean, if reunion goes correct, i would assume there'll be some interaction change between loid, us and the family upstairs

[open monolith]

last conversation with roathe and the logs are not showing the last message where they said ||i wish u the best of luck||

am i cooked?

[golden tulip]

it also was unfortunate the timing of the update meant bug fixes had to wait like 2 weeks because the team went on leave, which is why everyone is frustrated i think

[open monolith]

checked the kim sim and normally should have a help disscussion with lyon

but did not

[potent warren]

Yeah! which is why we gotta understand that at least they gave us a hotfix this quickly- they're actively sorting things out, its not like they've left us to rot with nothing

[eager dagger]

I never understand why they do this. Get your last update out in November so you have December to hotfix

[potent warren]

They did hotfix a ton of stuff- but nobody was progressed far enough to have bugged it out that bad yet

[golden tulip]

hopefully this means they will roll out hotfixes quickly, but im sure they've learnt something from this 🥲

[open monolith]

so ppl have new content to play during the holidays i guess

[worn fjord]

This hotfix was quick. It’s just that they were on holidays so that’s understandable

[fluid canyon]

Roathe is still stuck in impasse mode. I did Descendia again just in case. I've killed him like thirty times already. Here's hoping something triggers when the day resets

[golden tulip]

yeah, sorry i meant the follow up hotfixes in the next weeks since some things are still bugged

[worn fjord]

I’m sure they’re working hard on it as we speak dw

[eager dagger]

You could do that by having it hotfixed in December so it actually works over the holidays

[eager dagger]

It’s completely locked they haven’t fixed it

[potent warren]

DE is good about frequent hotfixes, I'm just glad to have devs that monitor this stuff and actually care to fix it as soon as they can

[worn fjord]

Yea same

[fluid canyon]

I was afraid of that. Damn! At least I could finally date him

[open monolith]

timing was tight i guess and decided to launch the last stable build

[fallow sonnet]

and they can't fix what they don't know is broken, so make sure to bump/make bug reports

[eager dagger]

That’s why I’m saying it really needs to be dropped in November so they have December to hotfix change your build times

[fallow sonnet]

While I'm sure the team would like to work that way, The Business doesn't always let you. They released when they could/made most sense + fit their timelines.

[potent warren]

Thats why they dropped it in early Dec, and did 5 odd hotfixes before they took a break for the holidays. They got it down to things that were time locked anyways, and now they're actively working on it :3

[eager dagger]

This could have been avoided if it was Nov that’d be a whole extra month of hot fixes

[reef compass]

(High Spoilers) So, even if it wasn't mentioned on the patchnotes and I have checked that the last chat with Roathe remained the same, this has popped up in my KIM ||It's related to the deal||

[fallow sonnet]

oooh, how were you bugged pre-hotfix?

[potent warren]

They were still patching Vallis Undermind in Nov. So they were servicing another update, while QA was testing internally most likely

[golden tulip]

4 weeks of development time is not a short amount of time, and it wouldve meant the initial release was even more buggy. they probably also didnt realise just how bugged it was

[eager dagger]

Not going to read it but were you in anathema with Roathe?

[eager dagger]

Still the extra hotfixes would have kept us running

[young seal]

if memory serves right, the bug is that the dialogue just doesn't show up at all. I am currently still affected by the bug. As Roathe doesn't have enough dialouge for it to trigger anymore.

[eager dagger]

Praise Jesus my notes have updated

Now it says I’ve upset Roathe or run out of opportunities to move forward so now I only have one option? What is that option ?

[fallow sonnet]

hmm, so one bug where the convo doesnt show, and another where it DOES but it thinks you clicked responses you did NOT pick

[lone axle]

Begin. Again.

[eager dagger]

Grimwar?

[lone axle]

yes

[eager dagger]

Now I’ve never used it before so how fugged up does it make my run? Do I need to do descendia 21 times again?

[lone axle]

no

roathe will know something's up cause he remembers the memories unlocked by it now

but everything else? gone

[eager dagger]

Will I have to wait days to weeks to rehave all those convos?

[lone axle]

can you stop pinging me

and it will be on the daily reset

[young seal]

Correct. First bug is that dialouge has all the flags needed for it to show up. But doesn't. Second one that (I think) is still in, is that there is no more Roathe dialogue in the KIM for the Roathe family flag to activate. All quite fun stuff, I currently have to reset Triad chats and reset all 4 weeks of progress.

[eager dagger]

sure .

[fallow sonnet]

oof

[reef compass]

I had done everything, with Roathe ||remaining as "villain"|| but my chat changed to the ||dont know|| version, well the start also changed.
seems that didnt afflict anything at all
I also had Marie's chat about ||Otak|| play out afterwards, curiously.

[feral lintel]

this entire kim system is such a bloody headache

[reef compass]

seems to be over now at least

[feral lintel]

mine is bugged still despite being good standing to all of them

so im gonna see to it if the all dialogue option fixes something tomorrow

[reef compass]

did you reset? I didnt

I also didnt touch any options

[ancient sierra]

hey guys! I'm about to do an absolute reset on the triads chat and I have to ask before I do it: is it better to have play all kim convos or off?

[feral lintel]

i did not

[feral lintel]

and this seemingly is my state of affairs

[sharp night]

So, seemingly even if fixed i cant get the Loid going upstairs cutscene even when convincing Marie, Lyon, and Redeeming Roathe, i don't wanna reset this...

[cerulean kiln]

I'd wait for a daily reset first to see if it needs one

[sharp night]

Im already dating Marie 😭

I supposedly did everything right

[reef compass]

I wonder why it fixed for me but not for others

did you all ||"redeem"|| Roathe?

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[reef compass]

mine isnt

[sharp night]

Marie agreed, Lyon also agreed, got the bad ending with Roathe but ended up redeeming him and convincing him to reconcile with his past, so it should be all good

[reef compass]

so you got the same as me then I think

but for some reason you are bugged

[mental ice]

we still waiting for that hotfix from DE I guess?

[reef compass]

did you have the ||Otak|| chat beforehand?

cause for me it played AFTER ||Loid's|| (big spoiler here)

[pastel pasture]

we all know what protoframes yall wanna see but tell me

[sharp night]

I dont have any more chats available for days

[pastel pasture]

what protoframes do you dread to see?

[hearty pendant]

there was a hotfix today, #update-notes-and-workshops

[pastel pasture]

Grendel. top of my list. I do not want to see how they do that.

Second one? Xaku or Caliban might be a bit gross given their body structure

[reef compass]

...huh maybe it IS Otak's topic...?

that would be so weirdly thematic <_<

[sharp night]

||the one where its confirmed hes a cephalon?||

[reef compass]

the one where Marie ||talks about having chatted and Drifter explaining his backstory||

and to confirm, you got ||Rank 5|| with ||Entrati|| right?

[sharp night]

Yes

these are my chat logs

[fallow sonnet]

roathe redeemed, the other two agreed, the convo talking w/ him about it is bugged and shows options I didnt actually pick when I had the convo, no loid reunion as of yet

[reef compass]

seems that roathe redeemed to be a theme, although Noxxr doesnt

[fallow sonnet]

yeh

[feral lintel]

i got roathe redeemed too

i take it that is the bugging factor

[fallow sonnet]

going off of reports, seems to be, not seen anybody who got villian have the same bug

and speaking of bugs, have we seen anybody have the romance lines pop when using their gemini skins? or is that just bugged across the board

[sharp night]

Maybe i didn't convince Marie now that in checking the logs

Whats the specific line where she says shes going to help?

this is the only line i found about it, and it was quite early on the logs

[feral lintel]

if you still get dialogue daily, you'll probably be getting the family talk soon

[sharp night]

I dont

I havent had dialogue for quite a while

[feral lintel]

ah. yeah no. cooked.

she doesnt agree with the idea

[sharp night]

So, i did everything but one thing right... Great.

[sharp night]

It never came up again

Thats so ass

[feral lintel]

im stuck myself

but it makes no sense to get stuck

[sharp night]

Yeah i would reset if it didn't take a literal day for one chat

[primal gyro]

Is it this one you're talking about?

[worn fjord]

R5 convo where she realizes we need Roathe’s help. And if that convo didn’t happen then it comes again at R6.

“Have you thought anymore about how to convince Loid to talk to the Entrati family upstairs?”

[sharp night]

I dont think ive gotten it. I cant remember well

[worn fjord]

Check your chat history with her

[sharp night]

this is the whole history

this is so annoying

[worn fjord]

Huh you didn’t get the chat… hmm

[sharp night]

got this one with the upstairs chat (i did all chats without kimulacrum)

[valid folio]

@pastel pasture have you played since the hot fix?

[worn fjord]

Yea after this convo (not right after but any time) you should get a convo where Drifter asks “Have you thought anymore about how to convince Loid to talk to the Entrati family upstairs?”

[sharp night]

I didnt get it LMAO

[pastel pasture]

yes

[worn fjord]

Yea

[pastel pasture]

have you

[valid folio]

Has our situation cleared up?

[pastel pasture]

what situation

[valid folio]

I haven't, I've been asleep but rudely awoken by a snowball to my sleeping face

[worn fjord]

Maybe it’ll change after daily reset?

[valid folio]

The roathe anathema softlock

[worn fjord]

You’ll get it then.. hopefully

[pastel pasture]

i didnt get that

i have never been anathema with anyone yet

[valid folio]

I must have pinged the wrong person then

[sharp night]

I effin hope so

[valid folio]

Please disregard 😬

Still waking up

[pastel pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizzare-adventure-rohan-kishibe-i-refuse-gif-26066583

[valid folio]

Jojo peak

[worn fjord]

My notes haven’t updated with Marie even after convincing her about Entrati so I’ll be waiting for daily reset for changes as well

[pastel pasture]

i do wonder to what degree she changes her opinion

[sharp night]

Yeah, i dont want to submit a ticket because i already have one regarding a shipment thats been delayed for 3 months and lost/stolen

[pastel pasture]

is she just on the belief that Entrati isn't a saint? not that he is bad

[sharp night]

And they responded that they have a high demand on tickets

[worn fjord]

She believes he’s not good as she thought he was

[pastel pasture]

last i heard from her she agreed that Entrati was not justified when he hurts others.

i guess she still thinks highly of him. Just acknowledges that he is a deeply flawwed person

[worn fjord]

Marie: Foolish little Marie... of course, he was not all that he seemed.

Drifter: No, he was kind to you. That wasn't a lie. But that doesn't mean that's all he is, and all he's capable of.

Marie: Oui, as you said, and so I now see plainly. I... am simply left to thank you for your patience once more.

Marie: In my desperation to hold on to a father now gone, I nearly drove away a family still here.

Marie: And I think I am not the only one, non ? I... think I am now properly armed to help with the battle we face with those upstairs, oui ?

Marie: Until then ? À la revoyure

[pastel pasture]

also man thinking about the whole loid thing

is it a joke to him? i mean it requires you to finally make Mother let go of Albrecht

then you have the butler go upstairs

[fierce kiln]

if we go by updates and assume you didnt rush the story, you couldve made her let go of albrecht way before you even knew he was still alive

[gray orchid]

I decided I can't wait 1 hour 15 minutes for reset to see if I get a KIM convo where I can eyebrow waggle the blue boi. I've just asked him out in the cathedral and it's worked

diaglogue spoilerrr

||He has a tail voiceline that is absolutely not impishly fun at all. not to mention the lap line. ||

[valid folio]

He also || calls you his pet ||

[honest dagger]

How do I reset the Devils Triad? Roathe is still broken and I really don't wanna wait

[potent warren]

Its like 4 mins till reset, but there should be an option within the KIM system

[honest dagger]

Do I gotta wait for the end of the calendar?

[honest dagger]

I'm at work but everyone I'm seeing is saying he's still broken, I wanna see the ending before it gets spoiled for me :3

[gray orchid]

This I also do not mind

[potent warren]

Thats fair, but there should be a grimoire you can reset it with!

[valid folio]

As a diehard Marie fanatic, I'm happy y'all can get your slice from Roathe 😁

[pure merlin]

Grimoire on POM PC next to settings

[gray orchid]

hell yeah, there's enough cookies in the jar for everyone

[tight pagoda]

Not anymore, there's a way to reset them outside of the calendar, if you look near the settings tabs at the bottom of the KIM, there's a grimoire icon

[gleaming zenith]

the hotfix came out, and you probably have to wait for daily reset to see anything happen, so i would say tow ait first, if it doesnt happen then, then i think someone said already buy little book in bottom right of screen

[thin mauve]

I guess this is a bug, b'cause before the hotfix he was not anathema

[amber terrace]

Genuine question: I’m at Close with Marie and I haven’t gotten any convos about her reuniting Loid with the family upstairs. Am I cooked? Will I have to reset the Triad? If it makes my case any worse, I have the “all conversations turned on” setting on the KIM toggled to true

[rancid pilot]

Those convos come later,
because you have all convos on, you take longer to get to that point
So it's progressing as it should

[amber terrace]

Oh thank the stars, I was starting to worry that I had kneecapped myself without my awareness, incomplete memory and all : )

[rancid pilot]

The profile for each triad member just outright tells you stuff about Loid reuniting and romance so always check those if you're not sure

[amber terrace]

That’s the thing that’s making me concerned, I check Marie’s KIM profile and it only has one bullet point

Imma smash this General Tso’s Chicken and I’ll get on WF and send a screenshot

[pure merlin]

Do all 21 kills against Roathe again and see if it changes

[proven sequoia]

Hey so
What do i do? I already killed him 21 times, did a full run, and got all the logs.
My last conversation with him was "what do you think happened to Nikoth?"
Do I just
Reset or?

[tight pagoda]

So the Hotfix doesn't seem to have fixed my issue with Roathe, the notes are telling me I only have one way forward.

[hearty pendant]

there's still daily reset in a bit, i'd suggest waiting until then before resetting
for anyone still affected

[tight pagoda]

I have the same issue. Personally I am going to wait for the reset in 6 minutes and if there's no chats or anything, I might reset-- I think they mentioned another hotfix coming up but that's for romancing Roathe

[proven sequoia]

Guess I'll wait and see.

[pure merlin]

I'm not sure daily reset will do anything. As far as I've heard, for some people Descendia was reset and they have to kill Roathe again 21 times. My guess is, it's either this, either it's people not being max rank with the Family, or it's another bug they didn't fix yet

[proven sequoia]

I can confirm I am max rank with the family.

[thin mauve]

erh, i'll do it, not now xD

[tight pagoda]

Same. I haven't tried Descendia yet tbh so I think I'll quickly kill Roathe before the reset

[pure merlin]

Maybe give it a day or two of testing and if it persists, then make a post on the bug forum or send a ticket to bring attention to the issue

[hearty pendant]

yeah maybe kill roathe 21 more times and then wait for another daily reset, then
if still nothing, then reset them
dunno, situation remains weird

-# whispers replay is still borked but at least its on the known bugs list

[tight pagoda]

Roathe's begging was still there

[pure merlin]

I don't really see any other way based on what others have been saying that fixed their issues, other than the cutscene with Loid and WiTW I've never gotten any other bug with the triad

[tight pagoda]

And killing him didn't do anything

[pure merlin]

It's still painful af lol

[tight pagoda]

gonna quickly hop to a relay and back now that the reset happened

[pure merlin]

He's begging you to stop continuing to kill him?

[hearty pendant]

its gotten in the way of an omnia fissure or two but it hasn't really affected me beyond that tbh
though i'd imagine i'm blocked out of EDA/netracells if i wanted to do one

[tight pagoda]

Yep-- or rather "I can think of 21 reasons why you should stop doing this" or whatever the line was

[pure merlin]

Well good it doesn't affect you much
Omnia Murmur is the only fissure I do on a weekly basis, alongside Netracell
It's been reducing my time on the game 😔

[sharp night]

great, no new chat

[tight pagoda]

Definitely gonna do this before I reset

[sharp night]

not fixed for me

[tight pagoda]

You're not in Anathema with anyone?

[sharp night]

never been

[hearty pendant]

yea, that sucks
hopefully the next hotfix or two
i doubt it'd require a code fix, as i currently suspect it started doing this after a hotfix

[pure merlin]

Yeah so it does count 21

[tight pagoda]

No new chats. Time to say goodbye to Marie and begin again.

[pure merlin]

Might have honestly, but yeah, hopefully soon

At least I still managed to have Loid cutscene + Family dialogues without the bug locking me out of it, lost some won some

[hearty pendant]

ah cool, i was worried that it would interfere

[cobalt scroll]

so I got all 3 good end, why they not trigger Loid scene

[pure merlin]

Just make sure to go to the necralisk for it and not sanctum anatomica through dark refractory, in case

[pure merlin]

Did you just get the last chat with Roathe Marie and Lyon on reset or did you get them before ?

[cobalt scroll]

I just got last chat with Lyon today

other 2 stop chatting me already

[valid folio]

Bruh

[pure merlin]

Then I think the next chat for Loid might be tomorrow

[valid folio]

They've just locked me out clearly

[cobalt scroll]

man why

[valid folio]

I've waited for reset and he's still anathema

[sharp night]

ill wait, its weird that i havent gotten the chats despite getting the booleans that trigger that chat

[valid folio]

Roathe Repair has NEVER came through to me from Marie

[wispy sage]

interesting how im not getting any new voice messages from Roathe even tho I fought him 21 times

[pure merlin]

I guess because it takes in consideration your chats from today to make sure you got everyone on board and then the next day Loid messages

[hearty wasp]

Bro this is total bs. Conversations still aren’t fixed

[sharp night]

Im pretty sure Lyon agreed with me to reunite the family before, but now it isnt there anymore for some reason, is this because of Roathe and having to redeem him??

[valid folio]

And it should, but I think Lyon's repair that's already been used up and it won't give me MarieRoatheRepair to adjust the thermostat

But mind you, the anathema came from a fail condition that isn't supposed to happen

[velvet finch]

somebody tell me how the thermostat works? the devil's triad is a bit confusing

[valid folio]

Welp, wait for the next hot fix or just forget about it altogether, I'm not going through another month of it just to fix a bug, too long

[zenith jacinth]

Positive=roach good end

[valid folio]

It's how you make Lyon and Marie look at the devil, whether you want them to see him as broken or just outright the villain, being indecisive will cause a fail which should trigger a repair dialogue in which you get a last chance to weigh it out but that hasn't played for me

[pure merlin]

I think if the thermostat is above 7, it's Roathe redeemed, if it's under, it's Roathe villain, and conversations with every Devil's Triad member can increase or decrease the counter based on your choices. You can check on kimulacrum what dialogue options gives you what

[valid folio]

It's 5

It's 5 on either end

Marie Repair can put it up 10 or put it down 10 to force a win but I can't get that to trigger 💀

[sharp night]

i even got this, i shouldnt get this convo if i was unable to reunite the family right?

[pure merlin]

What rank are you with Roathe rn?

[sharp night]

oh, family delay

[sharp night]

best friends

[cobalt scroll]

Also, Lyon has this bug (which only happens when you try to soft reset it)https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1458612691483754629

[valid folio]

I'm not resetting ts bruh, I don't have the time to run through it allll over again, even the notes suggest conflicting suggestions

[cobalt scroll]

this is before the hotfix of that Lyon softlock chat

[pure merlin]

I don't think this is the convo that gets you to reunite Loid, yet

[valid folio]

Saying I need to do descendia whilst also saying in prettier words that I need to restart

[pure merlin]

That one comes later

[sharp night]

well, i havent had a convo for at least 4 or 5 days

so, im stuck

[pure merlin]

Nothing from Marie or Lyon either ?

Are you max standing with the Family ?

[sharp night]

with family and the cavia

[valid folio]

Welp, I guess I gotta wait for another fix or just bite the bullet and never finish the loid reunion

[pure merlin]

Maybe send a bug report then

[sharp night]

at this point i think im just gonna watch the cutscene in youtube, fk this

[valid folio]

Doing that already

[pure merlin]

Cutscene's a lil bugged too honestly

[sharp night]

the last two messages from Roathe

[pure merlin]

Uh, weird

Just send a bug report yeah, it looks like you did get the last message to reunite the family but, it's weird

[sharp night]

on Warframe Support?

[gleaming zenith]

got a questino, did u do the 21 kills before or after hotfix

[pure merlin]

Either you submit a ticket on warframe support or you make a post on warframe forum bug section, just type warframe bug and it should show the forum

[brazen cloud]

my kim convo with Roathe is still the one changed by code, having a choice i didnt make, deleting two convos i had after :/

[sharp night]

Yeah i already have a ticket about a very delayed package which its still on hold, so i dont think ill get any help anytime soon with the ticket either

[proven sequoia]

Before.

[gleaming zenith]

ight, im debating if we now have to re-do him 21 times post hotfix

[pure merlin]

Probably better to just post it on the forum then, DE will see it anyway eventually, since people will report the same issue

[sharp night]

i did a few replies on a forum post

[pure merlin]

Yeah that's good

[sharp night]

meanwhile ill just watch Darthmuffins video of the cutscene

[hearty wasp]

This sucks. It’s been like over a week the KIM has been bugged and then the hotfix that would allegedly fix a ton of stuff just didn’t

[cinder marten]

have they fixed roathe anathema yet?

[gleaming zenith]

based on what it seems, no

[sharp night]

Well, the cutscene was... whelming, but had interesting lore repercussions.

I am not resetting the Triad.

[valid folio]

My bug report is up, I couldn't find a way to attach clips/screenshots but I've explained what I could

[brazen cloud]

il wait to see if they fix the bug. countless reports of my particular bug on the forums, perhaps next patch i hope. i dont wanna reset because, spoilers, ||that means more work with Roathe|| and it isnt my fault as to why i am not getting the cutscene. game just changed up a conversation to where it picked something i didnt pick, 2 conversations after i had made my choice.

[boreal pewter]

I got close with Roathe and the update did fix his status as agreeing to help with Loid, but the conversation today was either confess feelings or end. Was hoping to get come positive chemistry chat. I'll wait for tomorrow I suppose.

[valid folio]

It takes wayy too damn long, I could barely keep up as it was because I'm too busy

[autumn dragon]

Im looking at M and V arguing on KIM and it feels like this half the time

I can't even tell what to say that won't piss the other off 😭

[lusty portal]

are we able to replay jade shadows and change the choice of the Stalkers child? i chose Orion, and it was insinuated by the color turning red that that was the preferred choice of the Stalker, but if you choose Sirius, it turns green, making it Jades preferred choice. Orion, the hunter, or Sirius, the star that shines brightest

[thick cedar]

I just got the Lyon Rell conversation, and.. damn.

[hallow wharf]

Anyone know if the hotfix fixed the eternal Roathe failstate bug?

[hearty pendant]

no, your initial choice is permanent

[pastel pasture]

ew bot

[lusty portal]

😭

[lofty girder]

Makes me wonder if DE is compiling player choices for future quests

[amber terrace]

If I may ask the fine folks here for help, I feel like either option is objectively the wrong thing to say

[hearty pendant]

i mean, choices have been tracked since war within

[amber terrace]

I don’t know how to access the triad’s flow charts on the Kimulacrum whatever the hell it is

[hearty pendant]

-1 thermostat for the first, +1 for the second

[lofty girder]

Ah yes the oft-mistaken-for-morality-when-its-actually-a-personality-chart

[hearty pendant]

i mean, its kinda morality? just not standard good/bad
its whatever Litany of the Dax is on about
-# Three are the principles,
-# three the weaving ways.

-# Cool water flows,
-# the moon behind a cloud;
-# To the receptive mind
-# All things come in time.

-# Sun at mid-heaven,
-# Sovereign above all;
-# Mind in firm action
-# Commits without reflecting.

-# Between sun and moon
-# Unfolds a winding path;
-# Not by one Way alone
-# Is Mastery achieved.

[lofty girder]

Its closer to whether you think or you feel

[amber terrace]

If I may ask, how do I view this “thermostat”? I wish to reunite Loid with the Entrati posthaste, or at least posthaste as having all convos turned on can get

[hearty pendant]

can't, without redoing a decent amount of your triad convos in kimulacrum
thermostat doesn't affect loid n the family directly, just what roathe will do after. villain (less than 0) v redemption (more than 5)

however, one of the lines in that screenshot might be dependant on one of those values anyway so i'm going to check that

[amber terrace]

Ah, so would it still be a good idea to ask you and the rest of the really nice people here about what choices I should pick if I am at a loss of what to pick?

[amber terrace]

If it is to help my case, I got Marie to have the red text with the second option

[hearty pendant]

"There's a lot about him that he just doesn't know how to show. It's not armor, per se - but he doesn't trust people not to hurt him." requires RoatheRedeemed to be true to say, so no big worries there

[pastel pasture]

Roathe is a puppy.

[amber terrace]

Wait, now I’m confused, if Roathe Redeemed is toggled to true, what does the thermostat do?

[waxen sphinx]

Wait so to romance Marie is us having to convince her about Entrati not being as good she thinks she is?

[pastel pasture]

to romance you have to be consistent in your viewsw

[waxen sphinx]

I...dont think I have lol

[hearty pendant]

no idea lol
probably nothing. that convo ends with those two choices in most cases, so its probably just there if that convo rolls early

[amber terrace]

I understand you’re trying to help and I am trying(and failing) to be grateful, I am now more confused about the thermostat than I was when I asked about how to let Marie help in reintroducing Loid to the Entrati. My apologies for not being receptive to your assistance

[errant perch]

So, I need help figuring out what this means. Does this revolve around me, after completing the Desendia after it resets every so often, going straight to the Roathe boss battle?

[waxen sphinx]

Don't know why but I feel like I messed up 😅

[hearty pendant]

||first option has the best outcome tmk||

[hearty pendant]

all good, sorry for not explaining well
thermostat is just directly tied to roathe's ending, i don't think there are any options in that Marie convo that lead you closer to reuniting the family

[hearty pendant]

also, not really. that convo is meant to be an argument, it will always go badly. its just a matter of how badly

[waxen sphinx]

I understand it just dont know ow how much it will effect. This argument was resulted after she had a argument about the thoughts on Entrati with Tagfer

[oblique coral]

I'm stuck at "Close" with Roathe, and have Anathema now, and my Drifter's notes seem to imply the only way I can move forward is by resetting. Since there's no "New Years" with the Triad, how do I reset them?

Oh wait, is this it?

Is that the only way to do it?

[solid otter]

Mhm.

[waxen sphinx]

It doesnt even say anything for me

[oblique coral]

Okay. Thanks!

[young seal]

Is it just me, or has anyone else gotten "Hey Kiddo"d each time they return back to the orbiter? Its happened to me like 4 times in a row, its absurd.

[pastel pasture]

Wally just wants to spend some quality time with you. dont be a rude host

[worn fjord]

Has your KIM chat bugs disappeared? Mine is still there. Asking coz we had the same stuff lol

[balmy storm]

It’s random, you got lucky!

Or unlucky

Iirc 4 is an unlucky number and Wally is uh
Not a good guy
Goodluck

[solid otter]

Nup no good ending note. Just... that i can date her???

Im with Lyon 😭

[worn fjord]

Yea same even though she knows I’m dating Lyon

[solid otter]

Roathe just asked me if Lyon says... what was the word? I assume it's another word for prayers or hymns, when doing it

So like. The system knows

[worn fjord]

Lmao I had that convo the other day!!!!!

The way I laughed

[solid otter]

Lyon is just a silly guy tho

That joke he made about the murmur mimicking other body parts was funny

[worn fjord]

Also Roathe’s lines at his shop when you’re dating Lyon! Ha I’m not surprised but yea it was funny

[worn fjord]

Oh that was like one of the earliest convos I had with Lyon. One of the best ones

[solid otter]

The murmur is wally and wally came out of Albrecht's mind. Wouldn't be surprised if it did started mimicking certain body parts

[solid otter]

Ohh i dont think ive triggered those yet?

[worn fjord]

You’d have to wait a minute while browsing his shop

Then it comes up

Same with Marie

I’m not going to spoil the lines for you but you definitely should be able to trigger them since you’re dating Lyon

[steep totem]

Mildly jealous
The Wall Man hasn't graced me with his presence since I completed The Hex

[steep totem]

Psalms
Is the word I believe you are looking for

[jagged sable]

OK, random question but how funny do you guys think it would be that for the prime trailer for Temple Prime, it's Ballas crashing out wondering how it was possible for a warframe that he was too scared to build to be running about participating in the Night of the Naga Drums?

[steep totem]

Funny thought
Another funny thought: Ballas arguing with Flare and Lizzie (as Temple Prime) about how they exist

[errant perch]

Can anyone with any knowledge in this answer this for me?

[jagged sable]

Oh that's just another way for you to get Redeemed Roathe or Villain Roathe in a conversation.

[errant perch]

But what triggers it?

Cause I ended up getting the villian one when I was going for redeemed

[solid otter]

Thermostat. Its a hidden counter

[errant perch]

But the thermostat is a seperate branch

[jagged sable]

It's just another way for you to get it.
Thermostat is one way, but not the only way. If I'm reading it right.

[errant perch]

Ah. I'm just confused as to what triggers it though

Cause I know what triggers the thermostat. But the names for this one isn't giving me context clues

[balmy storm]

Dang it sounds like all of this is very confusing
I might wait a while longer to reset them lmao

[errant perch]

It is very confusing.

I'm not even sure what I did wrong to make my Drifter agree with Roathe becoming the villain, despite them not being that way in earlier conversations

[honest dagger]

welp, guess Roathe is still bugged

so I need to reset him and kill him 20 times, then wait to get every other possible dialogue from him before doing the last to unlock VM oblivion?

[errant perch]

I don't think you have to kill him 21 times if you reset him

But I'm not far enough in to know for sure.

[honest dagger]

Oh so he's just permantnely bugged?

that's just amazing, guess I'll need to wait for someone to upload the cutscene to youtube

[errant perch]

I don't think he's bugged in that aspect?

Cause I still have his Voice messages despite me resetting him

[cosmic prawn]

No, the Descendia counter is separate from the KIM. It will still know you've done the 21

[honest dagger]

I mean bugged in the sense that you have oblivion before you should and then he stops talking to you because of it

[errant perch]

Now I'm confused

[honest dagger]

There gets to a point where he begs you to reset

you say no, and then you kill him again and unlock VM Oblivion. After this point he should agree to reunite the families from what I've gathered

[errant perch]

Ah, alright

[honest dagger]

if you have VM Oblivion before this point then it soflocks the KIM chat and he no longer messages you

locking you out of the ending

[errant perch]

Wait, so I've gotten it and I've reset him after getting it. Wil lthat lock me out of it now?

[honest dagger]

I don't know, that's what I was trying to ask

[cobalt scroll]

What kind of bug though

[cinder marten]

been like this for a week now

DE fix your game

[errant perch]

They did just come back from holiday break. If I remember the Dev Short properly, they are working on fixing it

[balmy storm]

Did you have all convos on?

[cinder marten]

ye

[fiery totem]

Ah, so it's just a bug?
I exhausted all conversations, got Oblivion VM, then Roathe begged for reset, I refused and now he's stuck on anathema again.

[cinder marten]

and i already did more than 21 runs so it's just a logic bug

[cobalt scroll]

What is his note

[cinder marten]

same as before where it says i have to progress more or talk to the others just to tell me i have to do descendia but i already did 21 before

[cobalt scroll]

Did you try to fight him again after 21?

Just in case, do it in SP too

[cinder marten]

of course

[tame canopy]

https://youtu.be/HlMOxw86m_o?si=2f0Ks28Q3jTh4gK8 AIN'T NO WAY, THIS SCENE'S FINALLY ON YT

[cinder marten]

i always do base and then SP each solo

[tame canopy]

I will not watch it though :> Im gonna do my convos and get to this the normal way :3

Also ngl I did some deimos bounties yesterday and I forgot all the other tokens got their standing increased

[cinder marten]

not much else for me to do now

guess i'll just wait for the next incarnon rotation

[tame canopy]

but for some goddamm reason, necraloid has his own standing??????

He doesn't even run on family standing, but his own specific standing lmao

[cinder marten]

max rank on that is 3

[tame canopy]

Wuh? 3????

[cinder marten]

it's just necramech stuff

not that special

[tame canopy]

Yeah, and Im certain you get the parts to submit to him from isolation vaults

I'm probably gonna shelve completing him for.... much later

[cinder marten]

yup, you also get loid sentinel skin

[tame canopy]

sanctum got more and better mods anyway

[cinder marten]

i just farmed the sentinel skin on that syndicate and called it a day lol

sanctum has more necramech stuff anyway

[tame canopy]

yeah, what was DE cooking with necraloid lol

[heady dew]

Have I screwed myself into a reset?

[cinder marten]

necraloid before the whispers of the wall update was the source of all things necramech

it was way more active back then

[tame canopy]

I did a bunch of vaults before, in pubs, barely anyone ever progress beyond going deeper into vaults 😭

I know they reward mods too cuz I manage to get into a group that completed one but nobody really stick around for long

[hearty pendant]

probably not? assuming everything works

[cinder marten]

obsolete syndicate now lmao

bc sanctum exists

[heady dew]

I want to say no to resetting his memory but idk if that will break things

[steep totem]

It's not obsolete
Especially if you want Necramech Intensify

[cinder marten]

i heard that resetting the triad locks you out of the good ending bc uriel will be pissed

so i'm just waiting for the anathema bug to be fixed

[fiery oyster]

craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

this is after the hotfix

[heady dew]

There’s no way DE just locks you out of the good ending for resetting once

[cinder marten]

just an oblivion rumor i heard

[hearty pendant]

it doesn't. most of the path doesn't change, you still just have to say the right things

[tame canopy]

ok so unconfirmed, good to know

[fiery oyster]

so, what, its best to reset?

[cinder marten]

but i believe it

[steep totem]

What I heard is that it's bugged

[cinder marten]

it makes sense lol

[heady dew]

Did you just have the conversation where he asked you to wipe his memories

[fiery oyster]

didnt even get a convo

[heady dew]

Or did you piss him off some other way

[cinder marten]

nah i wouldn't reset

[fiery oyster]

when I did have that convo, I told him no

[heady dew]

Have you done the Descendia 21 times

[fiery oyster]

yes

[tame canopy]

So yeah, I guess it's probably better to do it solo?

vault bounties, that is

[heady dew]

I’m gonna tell him no

[hearty pendant]

it shouldn't, but there could be other factors that do
mostly, "failing" that convo is supposed to trigger a lyon convo where he tries to help you
dunno if the hotfix fixed that piece of it, but sometimes that convo wouldn't play because it already had played, or a certain boolean would prevent the marie convo from continuing it

[heady dew]

This part of the convo is different than what is on Kimulacrum

[tame canopy]

Like it's mainly the puzzles that's hard to solve in isolation vaults, I know I had to use guides for them cuz Im not familiar with which vaults correlate to what puzzle, ig

[cinder marten]

you know they could've avoided this if they didn't try to make it complicated

[fiery oyster]

apparently, it hasnt unless I need to wait a day or 2?

[heady dew]

There’s two options after saying no:

1: Let’s talk this through.
2: Hate me if you want. but I’m not going to do anything until we solve this, first.

[hearty pendant]

if the hotfix changed this convo, kimulacrum might not be updated yet?

[heady dew]

Option 2 seems to be the better one for Roathe

[cinder marten]

they only fixed marie this current hotfix

so maybe they're working on roathe now

[fiery oyster]

seriously?

[hearty pendant]

no, there were roathe fixes as well

[heady dew]

Doesnt seem like it, cuz this part of the convo is different than what is on Kimulacrum. This is RoatheRank5Convo8

[cinder marten]

minor roathe fixes

[fiery oyster]

its deffo changed on my end, it didnt have the upset one before the hotfix

[cinder marten]

recurring, unintended anathema seems like a major one

[hearty pendant]

not all of the roathe fixes, but there were some

[fiery oyster]

any idea on when there's more out?

cause I may reset lol

[heady dew]

Either way I think I should pick the second option

[hearty pendant]

those options only show in r5c1 according to kimulacrum, interestingly

[fiery oyster]

ok.. so.. is mine bugged still or did I mess up somewhere? if someone can direct me to where I may have messed up in specific convos

[scarlet ginkgo]

To check with everyone, haven't had convos in like 3 days. Is this softlocked or bugged? Everyone else is convinced to reveal to the family, but roathe is still on a "maybe"

[fiery oyster]

ima reset

I'm still on this

[heady dew]

I dont see them on the flowchart for that convo

[scarlet ginkgo]

but am i stuck or has DE commented on this? Like, I know some roathe interactions are wonky until the hotfix after the holidays, so i wanna know if i can wait. I really dont' want to reset, i got everyone on a good path :c

[fiery oyster]

idk tbh

I'm in the same boat, idk if I messed up or if its bugged

this is the convo after the 21 descendia runs

[heady dew]

Did it end after you said we have to face this?

[fiery oyster]

yup

[heady dew]

Cuz mine is continuing at this moment

[fiery oyster]

oh for the love of...

[hearty pendant]

yea, this convo might've been reorganized or something

[heady dew]

This is mine

[hearty pendant]

spiral

[fiery oyster]

what?!

[cinder marten]

“We have to face this” meaning we gotta complete the descendia requirement but it’s bugged because this shows up after 21 runs which is a logic error

[fiery oyster]

that means this convo BUGGED OUT ON ME AND SOFTLOCKED ME

are you fr?!

[hearty pendant]

it looks like this convo was reorganized or something with the hotfix

[heady dew]

That or you didnt fulfill a requirement?

Idk this is easily the most confusing KIM thing

[cinder marten]

They have to retroactively fix it on our accounts maybe lol

[fiery oyster]

gdi lol

so idk what to do then

I kinda wish I could ping DE here and get an answer but I dont think I'm allowed to do that lol

it would be so much easier if its a "yeah, you messed up" lol

but that answer is CLEARLY the correct one

[cinder marten]

So this is pretty much fixed for people who took it slow and haven’t encountered this bug yet

[hearty pendant]

the good thing about kimulacrum is that you can figure out if you went wrong or if its bugged
however, that also requires kimulacrum to have the correct data, which it doesn't atm

[fiery oyster]

so we're just stuck

but at least NOW I know its bugged

but now what? do I reset? or wait?

[cinder marten]

I would wait

[hearty pendant]

imo wait

[fiery oyster]

everyone is saying wait lol

yeah, I'll wait a bit longer, getting impatient ngl lol

[heady dew]

Which option do y’all think I should pick here

[fiery oyster]

not often I get impatient with DE, this is a first...

[hearty pendant]

spiral

[fiery oyster]

second one imo

[cinder marten]

Game isn’t going anywhere

[fiery oyster]

I know but it feels like I'm missing story stuff! lol

and idk if DE can fix this bug

[heady dew]

Now it keeps going…

[hearty pendant]

i'm assuming whatever convo you're on, its basically the same chart as r5c1, with minor changes
so spiral, then ||forgiveness will get you to redemption||

[heady dew]

Holy shit you’re right

[fiery oyster]

so.. wait

I basically had it right then..

[heady dew]

This is literally the “redeem or not” moment from that convo

[fiery oyster]

idk if I should be more pissed or not tbh lol

[cinder marten]

Yeah and it appeared out of nowhere causing a softlock lmao

[fiery oyster]

please, DE, fix this lol

[hearty pendant]

it would be great

[cinder marten]

It’s a bug bc the other members also aren’t generating any new convos

[heady dew]

So I think I just redeemed him from that convo, very weird how it just ended in yours Lycan

[hearty pendant]

tbh repairing damage already done is probably a lot harder than fixing the route for people getting to it now
so what's been done makes sense so far
i think they'll be able to figure it out, though. just needs time

[fiery oyster]

yeah, like someone said earlier: logic bug