spoiler-chat

[night blaze]

right ok

[rancid pilot]

i don't remember if round table members also have KIM about that, and the triad aswell, but not farfetched to assume the same for them

[night blaze]

yeah

[mental ice]

yeah, if drifter who romances eleanor and marie used eleanor's body to come over, that would be....quite something. Almost as creepy as drifter who romances eleanor flirting with her while he/she is inside arthur.

better not to overthink 🙃

[night blaze]

the triad members can actually access the origin system right?

[mental ice]

If Roathe can talk to Loid, I suppose so...

[night blaze]

they state that they share the same POM pc, the pc being the one in the sanctum anatomica right?

[rancid pilot]

they have access to the Sanctum at least

[night blaze]

oh yeah and they can just full on have in person interactions with the cavia and loid

[rancid pilot]

beyond that, is speculation

[mental ice]

Wasn't it stated that Roathe reverse-engineered helmnith for that to be possible? So technically, since helmnith is necessary for this, the hex could also go to origin system. Besides ||We now Kaya did||

[night blaze]

that is true

also we can now seperately reset the memories of the round table and the hex right?

so how the hell is that supposed to work

[rancid pilot]

i haven't done it yet, but when the family and loid get reunited, there isn't any reason to keep the triad secret, so by that point they could just leave and explore the origin system

[night blaze]

makes sense

man, marie just pisses me off

[rancid pilot]

so basically that used to be tied to the year mechanic, implication being that when we reset the year, the drifter could choose to reset their memories as well

[mental ice]

If Triad can do it, then so can Hex and Round Table, though DE never really clarified how that helmnith stuff works and how Albrecht jumps from place to place

[rancid pilot]

idk why we can reset the Triad's memories tbh

[mental ice]

Gameplay mechanic 🤷‍♂️

but lorewise makes little sense

[hearty pendant]

albrecht uses the coffin seen at the start of whispers, seemingly
we use the helminth, roathe makes one

[mental ice]

Sure but he no longer has coffin but perhaps he has perfected the device in some way, hard to tell

[night blaze]

oh yeah i know that, its just that we can have it so that the round table remembers us but the hex dont

which is weird lore wise

because we know the two groups interact quite often

[hearty pendant]

i think that bit is more gameplay than lore
ik a few people complained when they failed one of the roundtable and had to reset everyone

[rancid pilot]

oh that's just seperate for our convenience, technically it would be reseting both

[night blaze]

thats fair yeah

[mental ice]

We know Albrecht first went to 1999 first, so he went to XX99 afterwards, meaning he jumps all over somehow now. Wonder where he is now.

[night blaze]

i believe the drifter says that they thought their power only worked because of the time loop, but evidently thats no longer the case

[night blaze]

tau

probably

i feel thats what he meant when he said "tau is in sight" right before he shot us

[mental ice]

probably, but he definitely must have jumped to XX99 at some point, and it wouldn't be before he hid in 1999 where Loid said Albrecht escaped...I guess.

[rancid pilot]

Albrecht sent Roathe to XX99 before going to 1999, but yeah, he also likely currently in Tau

[mental ice]

That makes sense too 🤔

[hearty pendant]

XX99 was likely before his permanent departure to 1999, yeah
but he was back and forth for a while before the coffin was smashed

[night blaze]

i feel so bad for the operator

it feels like the operator is forced to go through horrible traumatic situations so that the drifter can bang more

[solid otter]

I dont think he's in tau tbh

[mental ice]

no wait it doesn't.... it can't be before, because he forced Hex to take serum but he offered serum as choice in XX99. (I remember people saying he grew up and learned to be more kind)

[solid otter]

He didnt make the hex while permanently in 1999, that was a few years before

He likely made the triad near the end

[mental ice]

yeah, so he somehow jumped from 1999 to XX99, or so would be implied then 🤔

[solid otter]

... yes. With the machine he made.

[hearty pendant]

yea, he made several trips between 1999 and his "current" time

[solid otter]

makes the hex + roundtable
makes the triad
smash coffin
nuke and leave

In that order

[hearty pendant]

throw the vessels in there before the coffin and after the hex
dunno where they are in regards to the triad though

[solid otter]

Mm, before the triad imo

[mental ice]

That would make sense. The devil triad did not use machine though, but helmnith to get to origin, which roathe reverse engineered to connect (meaning Hex could technically do same thing to get to origin system)

[solid otter]

Mm, kaya could be after the smashing of the coffin but I am unsure

[solid otter]

Thats for the protos. Albrecht cannot use the helminth.

[rancid pilot]

how so, i don't think it's gaurenteed but i don't really know where else he could be tbh

[mental ice]

Yeah, exactly that I guess.

[hearty pendant]

i mean, we have helminths in 1999. not sure if roathe is correct in that the helminths need to be specifically made for each one to travel through them properly though

[solid otter]

If he had a way to tau, do you think he wouldn't have told us? Or showed us? Somehow the dark refractory has something to do with it but I just cant see him being there

[mental ice]

but wouldn't that mean Roathe would just escape himself? He doesn't thnk fondly of Lyon and Marie at the beginning of talks

[solid otter]

I suspect he's waiting for us to pave the way, and following after.

[rancid pilot]

So his criptic "Tau is in sight" was just for us to do the hard work for him is what you're implying?

[solid otter]

Isnt that exactly how it happened?

[solid otter]

Mmhm. It is like him.

[hearty pendant]

the portal isn't really a helminth. seems to be some other method of travel
roathe got access to the sanctum, then the portal activated
i believe

[solid otter]

There's a helminth link via the vessels

[rancid pilot]

makes sense, hadn't thought about it that way

[night blaze]

are the vessels helminths?

[solid otter]

You know if I had a dollar for everytime a pale dude made something called vessels in order to fight a big bad beyond comprehension that messes with minds, id have 2 dollars

[mental ice]

Yeah but definitely not 1 helmnith per 1 proto I'd say, otherwise Lyon and Marie wouldn't be able to follow

[hearty pendant]

vessels are helminth + grey strain + protoframe samples
sorta

[solid otter]

A mix between grey and helminth

[night blaze]

right ok

[solid otter]

The adding of the Grey strain was Loid's idea

[mental ice]

Let's just roll with simple explanation: Space magic 🪄

[night blaze]

how do we know this

[solid otter]

Albrecht's notes, he says it was Loid's suggestion

[hearty pendant]

one of the fragments you get from the book minibosses

[night blaze]

oh ok

[hearty pendant]

-# "It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Grey Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged in me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents of Warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary... Assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found."

[night blaze]

why exactly does albrecht make the triad?

[hearty pendant]

seemingly to answer "Can the orokin ever be forgiven?"

[night blaze]

why does he need to know that though?

[solid otter]

Nooo loid is useless he doesnt do anything:

helps raise children
helped make the vessels
major player of the kalymos sequence
becomes gay space uncle
helped to make the cavia

Clearly so useless

[rancid pilot]

so he can find out if he could ever be forgiven

[solid otter]

For himself.

[mental ice]

Heh Albrecht really does whatever he want's doesn't he? 😅

[solid otter]

If Roathe could be, he could be

Because Roathe is worse than Albrecht in many, many ways.

[hearty pendant]

the question is more of "can [I] be forgiven?" really

[night blaze]

and arent there easier ways to find that out than like turning 3 people into partially infested biomechanical monstrosities

[solid otter]

They chose to do this btw

It was their choice

[mental ice]

Might not be so simple about Roathe, how does one get redemption if one doesn't remember what they are seeking that for? Albrecht stole Roathe's memories, so asking that question and searching an answer for it doesn't just add up. Might have been more than just that one reason, but who knows why Albrecht does what he does in the end 🤷‍♂️

[solid otter]

||... Roathe told him to remove his memories||

[night blaze]

i know marie and lyon took the serum with fully informed consent

but why roathe

[solid otter]

||So did Roathe lol||

[rancid pilot]

finish his KIM stuff

[mental ice]

Yes, I know but that would be counter productive to Albrecht looking for answer, perhaps there was more to it, which will be revealed later

[solid otter]

||He hates Albrecht for the shit he did to himself||

[solid otter]

Not really? I can see it working

I fail to see how it doesnt work

Because.

It does.

Because ||Roathe remembers when you help him||

[night blaze]

i will later, after de comes back from their winter break an fixes the bugs

[solid otter]

You should be able to get to that point w out bugs

[mental ice]

I view it like christian absolution of sin, to be absolved of sin, one has to be aware of it, and realize it was a sin, then work their hard to redeem themselves. But the ||Lack of memories makes it impossible to achieve true redemption||

[solid otter]

Iirc its VMs

[rancid pilot]

you really only need to get all 21 VM's for that part

[solid otter]

Protip

Its not.

[night blaze]

right

[solid otter]

This isnt religious forgiveness, Albrecht does not believe in a god

[night blaze]

how did DE expect you to find out that you had to complete descendia 21 times?

[solid otter]

The family crest has "no god above knowledge" as their whole thing

[pastel bison]

cuz no one plays conclave lol

[mental ice]

I mean, you only get to ||Redeem Roathe|| once you return his memories by playing descendia, meaning it indeed is not possible unless he gets that back ||Because he is in spiral so unless he gets them back + accepts himself as villain or seeks redemption|| it is impossible

[solid otter]

Its his own forgiveness. He's wishing to forgive himself.

Which is what Roathe is wanting

[mental ice]

Sure but that means Roathe was at standstil and if Albrecht seeks an answer to a question, what Roathe wanted effectively made it impossible for Albrecht to get what he needed (Unless Albrecht DID count on Drifter influence)

[solid otter]

He isnt wanting others to forgive him, he wants to forgive himself for what he has to do

[solid otter]

... he absolutely did

[mental ice]

Yeah, that one is definitely a yes

Means Albrecht planned it all along, quite few steps ahead in fact

[hearty pendant]

i mean, half of his notes are like "yea i sure hope we can find an Operator to help with this whole plan"

[night blaze]

you can tell that de was really milking rené zagger for his incredible voice lmao

[mental ice]

Might have been more than hope, who knows just how many pieces on the chessboard Albrecht has arranged

[night blaze]

i mean im not complaining

[rancid pilot]

look if i could make the VA for Emet Selch do some brooding voicelines, i too would do what Rebecca did

[night blaze]

does he read bedtime stories or something? i would sleep like a newborn babe

[mental ice]

I'm more than happy DE got Werner Herzog on board, that's gonna be good

[night blaze]

lmao that was unexpected to say the least

[mental ice]

Also know it's not important and all but Rahetalius posted a Warframe vid, the train man is back! 😄 (Vets will know)

[rancid pilot]

i wish, although Albrecht Entrati's VA (Stefan Rudnicki) does audio books

[mental ice]

Albrecht's VA is amazing

[pastel bison]

I want Warframe to get the English Voice Actor for Ainz Ooal Gown to do a character

maybe an proto nekros

[night blaze]

really?

[solid otter]

So now i can pretend im Euleria. Poggers.
-# if only it didnt give me crippling gender dysphoria

[mental ice]

You can always pretend to be Loid, imagine Albrecht read for Loid too 😉

[solid otter]

Nah

[mental ice]

might not actually be far off 🤔 couples do read books together

[solid otter]

Not the same

[solid otter]

Loid read to Albrecht actually

When he was recovering

Loid would recite poetry iirc

[mental ice]

True 🤔 nothing says it wasn't mutual reading, if we know Albrecht likes books

[solid otter]

Other than Albrecht being in the m e m b r a n e

[night blaze]

LMFAO stefan rudnicki had narrated multiple erotica novels

[solid otter]

I wasn't gonna say it but yeah

[mental ice]

Yeahhh there was that too...better not pretend to be Elauria while he reads those 🤣

[night blaze]

im now just thinking of albrecht reading spicy smut novels

[solid otter]

I dont actually like erotica (shocker) I just make mpreg jokes

[mental ice]

Good erotica is good, but it's hard to come by 🤷‍♂️

[night blaze]

i think we've found out what's inside of the grimoire

[solid otter]

Thats not entirely untrue

Im not joking

A lot of Albrecht's writings are "tortured love poetry"

[night blaze]

lmaooo

[mental ice]

He definitely doesn't shy from his preferences 🤔

[solid otter]

Albrecht collects poetry as well

[night blaze]

do you think he read it out to loid?

[solid otter]

He is a patron of the arts

[night blaze]

is that why it never worked out between them?

[rancid pilot]

Grimoire is full of Yaoi

[solid otter]

He probably hid it from loid because they're about loid

[mental ice]

Mental image of Albrecht writing LoidxAlbrecht fanfic

[solid otter]

I mean fanfic was very much a thing in 1999

[mental ice]

I know, I was writing them back then xD

[solid otter]

I still do some of ye old fanfic practices

Me and the binder of fanfic I printed out for train rides

[mental ice]

Good times 🙂

[solid otter]

I was introduced to fanfic by my sister, with "My Immortal", so take that as you will

[night blaze]

lmao

[mental ice]

The BEST fanfic to exist 🤣

[solid otter]

Nothing shocks me anymore

[night blaze]

when did my immortal come out

[solid otter]

2000s?

[mental ice]

Something like that, I think a bit later 🤔

[night blaze]

2006

thats crazy

[rancid pilot]

i was 5 when it came out

it';s that old?

[mental ice]

And nothing still comes close to how amazingly writen it is 🤣

[night blaze]

i was -2 man 😭

[solid otter]

Yeah my sister wouldve been... 13?

Around the age she introduced it to me lmao

[night blaze]

my immortal is older than i am

[pine wolf]

Lmao i was 13 when i wrote fanfics

[solid otter]

Then she wondered why i became a fandom lover lmao

[night blaze]

sigh

[solid otter]

"Thomas why are you cringe"
Sam you showed me Harry potter fanfic at the ripe age of twelve.

Of course id end up like this

[mental ice]

lol

[night blaze]

is my immortal satire

[solid otter]

No
Its not.

Thats why its so iconic

[night blaze]

i actually havent read it

[pine wolf]

Its def not anachronistic for 1999. I'd have been 5 then.

[mental ice]

I recomment, you will notice instant brain cell loss 👍

[pine wolf]

Only in a death of the author kinda way where the meme is used satirically

[night blaze]

be right back

[solid otter]

I would've been.. -7?

What's her name, Evelyn? She is the mother of all Mary sues bcs christ on a pogo stick her name was horrendous

[pine wolf]

Ebony Raven Dark'ness Dementia Way.

[mental ice]

Enoby 🤣

[solid otter]

THERE IT IS.

Where the shit did i get evelyn from

[pine wolf]

You got the e right xD

https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

[solid otter]

No its because of that song by Amanda Palmer, Evelyn Evelyn 😭

God my sister was so cringe

I say as I listen to miku

Anyways off to draw Albrecht w a massive blunt. (Canon)

[pine wolf]

Im about to finish my download. 🙂

Should be like my 5th time returning. Will have to test run all my primes and my gauss.

[mental ice]

Heh I lov when authors write something that makes no sense in books, like Anna Todd in "After" wrote: "Hardin smiled at me I could see his pierced tongue"

And then you consider...how does one smile for that to be visible? I mean, Eleanor could but...

[solid otter]

Did you guys know Loid is a lightweight when it comes to nestawood (weakass)

[solid otter]

With his tongue between his teeth ig? I do that sometimes when im being silly

[mental ice]

[neat osprey]

any tips on solo archemedia ||for the grandis 20||

[night blaze]

oh my god

nothing will ever be the same again

[pastel pasture]

i dont think you have to do any challenges

so just put your best stuff on

[night blaze]

like the dresden dolls amanda palmer?

huh she's married to neil gaiman

[obtuse gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-superman-flying-tongue-meme-ai-gif-12285929760681474519

like so

[night blaze]

oh god theyre both horrible people

[solid otter]

Yuppers

[solid otter]

Yeah.

[night blaze]

i liked the dresden dolls :(

[solid otter]

Just download mp3s of their music, shrimple

I have mp3s of their music on my walkman

.... yeah I have a walkman

[proper frost]

Question for anyone that might know ||I'm trying to get the devil's triad to convince loid to talk to the family upstairs, I got Marie and Lyon, but I think? I fail with Roathe, the last two KIM chats I had was like him being mad I went against his orders and continued doing descendia runs, and he said if I want the butler to go upstairs I'd have to wipe his mind, and I told him I refused and would find another way, he ended it with "best of luck", do I need to do the reset of the chats and try different chat routes?||

I haven't gotten a new chat sense

[solid otter]

||He's lying to you :^)||

[proper frost]

Ok so I should be getting a new chat eventually?

[solid otter]

Mm, if that was the chat today, I think you'll get another tomorrow, like usual. As long as it's not "athemia" or whatever the word is

[proper frost]

It's not athemia

[solid otter]

Good, so you should be fine

Roathe is facing some confronting shit

[proper frost]

I'm currently best friends with him but idk when the chat should come I think it was yesterday???

[solid otter]

Did you have any voice messages?

[proper frost]

Yep

Got all of them I believe

I think? I need what, 21 voice messages?

[solid otter]

I mean yesterday, it sometimes overwrites main chats

[proper frost]

Just checked, yeah I got the honoria, got all the voice messages

That was a few days ago I think

[solid otter]

Mm. Maybe just a late chat lol.

[proper frost]

He did have one that was just basically questioning me why I haven't romanced any of the trio

That was after his freak out

[obtuse gyro]

yea its odd, they should have gotten RoatheDay2

[lethal vortex]

I have no idea what conversations with ||Roathe|| are the right ones

Paying attention to a character's behavior was never something i did

[patent heron]

||Why would Albrecht deliberately give the Warframe that is known to self harm to a man who he knows for a fact has a self harm problem?|| mentions of self harm

What was he thinking?

[solid otter]

||Lyon has a connection to Rell and wally, even before this. Why else?||

[patent heron]

||Was that confirmed or just speculation?||

[solid otter]

||confirmed iirc, he has a chat talking about hearing Rell and Wally before the injection.||

[uncut solar]

spoiler chat
Looks inside
spoiler tags

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-smile-happy-cat-staring-happy-cat-gif-7699470421108511910

Checks out I guess

[solid otter]

We being polite in this chat

[undone lodge]

Teatime for Marie with Loid and Fibonacci while Tagfer and Bird 3 cough in the background

Fibonacci’s water is looking kind of green…

[obtuse gyro]

what is tea time for fishonachi going to be? pouring the tea into the tank water?

[undone lodge]

He gets a separate tank with an open top that he hops out of to take sips

[pseudo sable]

ok im gonna type in here cuz i dont care about getting spoiled i just want to romance marie

how do u access her chats? do u have to reach a certain rank with someone

[obtuse gyro]

access marie's chats? do you not have the Old Peace completed?

[pseudo sable]

i do

[obtuse gyro]

so why can't you talk to her?

just hop onto the pom

[pseudo sable]

idk it only shows the 1999 protos

[obtuse gyro]

have you visited the cathedral?

[gray orchid]

there's a secondary chat tab with a sun/moon/dagger next to the protoframe chat list, you'll have to click on that to access triad kim

[pseudo sable]

yes

wha

OH

[obtuse gyro]

Welp theres your answer lol

[pseudo sable]

ok i see it now i was so confused

[gray orchid]

kind of like trillian in the old days

[solid otter]

Should I tell them how to do it or do I let them fumble

[pseudo sable]

Idc about 'spoilers' u can tell me

Though now that i know i can date an orokin that is also vaguely tempting

[solid otter]

Oh no, im doing this purely for the later humour of you failing it

:)

[pseudo sable]

Well i could always just look it up

[solid otter]

God im mean.

I mean

You can, but theres a whole chance you'll still mess up

The triad are difficult

[pseudo sable]

how

[gray orchid]

100% going for the blue boy, just annoyed I didn't manage to make my interest known much earlier on (I have a few convos to go before reaching rank 5 with him, I think there's 1 convo left where I can make it clear I want to whisk him away into lala land)

[solid otter]

Marie specifically is built for people who dont pay attention. For them to fail.

[pseudo sable]

i can just look up which dialogue increases the chem

[solid otter]

Thats not how it works anymore :]

[pseudo sable]

"oh but that takes the fun out of it" shut up i want to crack the wispussy

[solid otter]

Ou

[pseudo sable]

what

how

[solid otter]

I will not elaborate.

[pseudo sable]

.

[solid otter]

:)

This is funny to me

[gray orchid]

it's easy to make some blunders early on, but if you really pay attention it's not difficult

[solid otter]

I do not feel bad anymore

[pseudo sable]

wait u can date a hex member AND a triad member? 😭

[solid otter]

Mhm.

[pseudo sable]

so i dont even have to break up with aoi

[solid otter]

Good luck buddy

[pseudo sable]

insane

wait nah bc how would that work

[solid otter]

... polygamy. An open relationship?

[pseudo sable]

i it like

[solid otter]

How would it not work?

[pseudo sable]

yea polygamy ig

[solid otter]

The consent chats are dogshit anyways

[pseudo sable]

wait so its literally canonically a open relationship

[solid otter]

Unfortunately.

[pseudo sable]

WDYM UNFORTUANTELY

we have a canon harem

[solid otter]

Ignoring how both Lettie and Arthur explicitly doesn't do that shit

[solid otter]

Oh so you're just gross.

[pseudo sable]

well im with aoi so it makes more sense with her

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-stare-side-eye-side-eye-meme-ginger-cat-gif-9337430562745204577

[pseudo sable]

i mean its a video game bro

how is that gross, you just have ur own opinions

[solid otter]

No, the word harem. Just. Gross.

Its funny that youve managed to gross out the poly person

[pseudo sable]

well i honestly dont really care at all no offense

its a figure of speech

calling someone gross out of nowhere like that is pretty rude

[solid otter]

Ima just say how im feeling

[pseudo sable]

and you can say how youre feeling in a respectful way

[solid otter]

I just think its gross to use that word towards any relationship

[pseudo sable]

"man i really dont like that word"

[pseudo sable]

and you couldve just said that instead of calling me gross without even explaining why you think im gross

and also, it was clearly a joke

[solid otter]

Aren't... jokes supposed to be funny

[pseudo sable]

so youre just a dck, ok

[solid otter]

Its a gross word to use! Its explicitly a fetish word for a group of women in a relationship!

[pseudo sable]

right click block

ez money

[solid otter]

As a ex woman, I think thats weird

[pseudo sable]

ill enjoy my warframe harem thx

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, it still is, but you have to work much harder now

[gray orchid]

I definitely would like a more nuanced conversation with like, amir/arthur/lettie where you can succeed or fail maybe

[solid otter]

Shh i want them to fail

[solid otter]

Eleanor and Quincy are realistically the only two people who would go into a relationship like that tbh

[gray orchid]

I think that maybe depends on someones read on the character and how charitable one wants to be about DE trying to display character progression/growth in a variety of ways (eg, success/fail, or simply staying monogamous and having a chat about that with the Hex member concerned, basically any character glimmer tbh). I think Lettie would for sure be the hardest to have that convo with in my head/personal Warframe universe. Arthur would be a sticky navigation but a possibility (I've stayed with him from the start )

feeling a bit meh about a blanket 'yeah alright it's cool' approach but the whole update has been a touch rushed compared to 1999

[floral badge]

Had to

[undone lodge]

Thats the best option from what I’ve seen the kimulacrum

[mental ice]

🤔 It's nice how DE added possibility for drifter to get a harem, though I do wish it was handled better

if they add another group of romanceable protoframes that's going to get interesting 👀 I mean... Eleanor + Marie + proto ember / valky or something...

[solid otter]

Given the amount of shit they're getting for it being like this anyways, i doubt they'll do it again.

[mental ice]

They are getting 💩 over this? Surprising, thought most people didn't really care much about this, I mean, polyamory is optinal really 🤷‍♂️

I bet it's as always some vocal minority, it's always this 1-2% complaining loud

[night grail]

The most ive seen is that some comments before release felt bad and the consent stuff felt rushed and out of character

[undone lodge]

The issue people have isn’t with there being polyamory, but how it’s handled

[mental ice]

to be fair, personally dislike how every member of hex lacks personal moral code but shares universal hippie personality about open relationship and polyamory, it cheapens the characters and strips them of realism. But I understand also that if they did not do that, a lot of people would complain when denied their personal fantasies of having Aoi and Marie both or Quincy and Lyon both 🤷‍♂️

impossible to please everyone

[undone lodge]

It’s mostly this, yeah

[undone lodge]

They originally made a “joke” about it not being cheating because time travel. We get the update, and all there is are rushed consent convos that you need to cheat to get in the first place, and don’t actually take the characters themselves into account beyond the surface level

[mental ice]

100% agree, which is exactly one of the reasons my Drifter styas loyal to Eleanor, I prefer my character to have some loyalty and moral spine

Still, it would be fun if the Drifter got an earful for cheating or even considering it

[solid otter]

You do actually cheat

You need to cheat in order to get the conversation

[mental ice]

Yeah, which is terribly handled 😐

then again I don't see how getting the convo first makes it better either 🤣 "Hey Arthur, theres this hot priest from different year, would you mind if I sleep around?"

[cerulean kiln]

There's no truly good way to handle it tbh

[mental ice]

Maybe that's the point really, if a drifter thinks little of their 'loved one', little enough to even consider sleeping around with someone else, then its more like lust than love

up to drifter to make a choice, but not every npc should be 'fine' with that decision

[cerulean kiln]

Would've been funny if they added more to the consent convo where they can break up if you pick the wrong way to say it

[mental ice]

this. the consent convo should be a terrible minefield that can be fumbled 🙂 this would make it much better

[stable agate]

am already in a romance with marie but its giving me an option to confess again (?) should i just talk to her about roathe and not accidently mess things up with her?

[compact wigeon]

Small question. I just unlocked Pluto - so I just woke up and unlocked the character editor (so basically I finished the game intro just before the main menu .. lol) and I am still a bit confused (in a good way). Just to be sure.. I .. as a player .. I am the Operator which sits in the back of my orbiter. And I control the warframe (what I actually play in Warframe) from that "thing" I (as a operator) in the back of the operator. Correct?

Please no spoilers beyond what I encountered so far (just went to pluto, didnt do anything from the War within questline so far)

[naive mist]

You are infact John/Jane Operator

and you control the warframes

[compact wigeon]

Good. So I understood it correctly xD. I was VERY confused when the cinematic happened and the stuff after that. But today when I logged in my orbiter or lotus said anything about sending in the warframe etc and it finally clicked who I am most likely lol

[solid otter]

John warframe. You are 12-17 years of age.

Congratulations, you have a kid now geecrumb

[naive mist]

you ARE a kid now

Absolute Tenno

[compact wigeon]

Just what I thought right now.. isnt Lotus having a kid and I am that Kid - controlling killing machines (machines.. or whatever they are lol)

[solid otter]

Lotus has kids, plural, but they aren't her own.

Thats all we can say

[naive mist]

Yuh, lotus had alot of adoption papers to fill out

[undone lodge]

You’ll find out in The Sacrifice

[compact wigeon]

👀 I am out here again. Thank you for the help guys! 😄
Cant wait for the story to unfold more lol. Came back to Warframe for some brainless grinding (played it many years ago for 40 minutes and uninstalled it) and I stayed for the music, the story and basically "the world" lol. Now I want to buy official merch for my wall xD

[balmy storm]

She just copied Margulis’

[naive mist]

I certainly hope geecrumb isnt looking

[jovial heath]

well something is wrong

[naive mist]

itll clear up eventually, no worries m8

I am not fond of the efervon tank

[undone lodge]

Geecrumb?

[naive mist]

someone who posted up above wanting clarification on something

[tame canopy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1q48z4b/evidently_scaldra_isnt_getting_paid_enough_for/

The woes of being underpaid

[keen hedge]

I’m just curious. I’ve beaten roathes boss fight 23 times. Am I supposed to get a new text after 21 levels cause I didn’t get one

[undone lodge]

Have you waited for reset?

Not reset but like

The KIM cycle thing

[gray orchid]

Roathe specifically? he seems to be pretty buggy according to the warframe forum bug reports. they're all more buggy than 1999 was though. not as polished an update. some of the connective tissue between various systems appears to be missing

[keen hedge]

Yea

I haven’t actually got conversations with them since yesterday

To be fair it’s early in the morning for me so maybe I need to wait till later in the day

[gray orchid]

I wonder if it might sort itself out after another daily reset...I'm a few days behind on convos because the VMs yeeted the chat convo over the edge once or twice until a reset. might unknot itself for you with another reset but I have no actual idea

[keen hedge]

Fun

[undone lodge]

How far into them were you, and do you have “All Chats” on?

[keen hedge]

I have all chats on I believe and I’m not too far I’m neutral with everything

[undone lodge]

There is a bug I’ve heard about with “All Chat” people just getting nothing for, I think it was a few days? Probably up to over a week realistically, if they get anymore at all, I haven’t exactly checked

I’d recommend looking into it yourself with the Search or just resetting now since you’re still early on

[undone lodge]

Search like, searching it up here in the discord or just on google

[gray orchid]

I have all chats on, but my experience seems a bit better than those posting on the forums/reddit. a couple of my convos were delayed by VMs but after a reset it went back to normal - I'd wait for a reset and see if anything happens before doing a mind wipe. there's some people reporting in the forums that doing mind wipes results in the convos getting stuck again in weird places. whole system this time around just seems to be a bit of swiss cheese

[keen hedge]

Ok I will when I get a chance. Just had to get off warframe to get to school so I’ll definitely check after

Tyy

[floral badge]

Yeah i keep thinking on this and i think ima just stick with Aoi the new characters are cool but idk kinda feels weird for my drifter to date anyone else

kinda wish they expanded on the Hex memebers a bit more ngl

[feral lintel]

they've all been offline for almost a week or so, what is the ETA for Roathe finishing up even?

[zenith jacinth]

maybe you've completed all convos

if you didn't it'd say anathema instead

[feral lintel]

this is my last roathe one

i'd love to have patience, but i wont be able to log in a few days soon ;-;

[zenith jacinth]

yeah it's not irl patience

the should be convos inbetween

[fluid canyon]

Roathe has been ghosting me for a few days now. The daily reset didn't fix it. Pretty sure he's bugged

[zenith jacinth]

anathema or offline?

[fluid canyon]

He's just offline

I don't even know what "anathema" means in this context...

The last thing he did was to thank me for not doing Descendia, and then I went and did it, I got all the VMs, and... that's it. He's never texted me back

[obtuse gyro]

Aaaaand I'm in the clear for MarieEntratiDay2 ezpz

[zenith jacinth]

Anathema is a "failstate"

[fringe pond]

Do you know what Anathema means in general?

Because it’ll make more sense if you do

[zenith jacinth]

Probably should've done those earlier

[fringe pond]

Actually the one thing I’ve noticed is that people keep asking about it because nobody knows what anathema means

[zenith jacinth]

DE is 2 for 2 on confusing ppl by picking unnecessarily complicated words for something only vaguely related

[fluid canyon]

OHH. Oh, it's definitely not that. He's just not talking to me.

[zenith jacinth]

Guess you got hit with that rushed release jank too

Wait for some fix update and reset ig

[fluid canyon]

Been there. I played Railjack on release as soon as we could drive the thing. It was bad

[fringe pond]

I mean he’s probably not gonna be happy that you did Descendia later anyway

So be prepared for that

[feral lintel]

yeah, because i play another game where it refers to "Shadow Anima" which is a toxic variant of Anima

[zenith jacinth]

And just like rj it'll (hopefully) get way better after getting fixed

[feral lintel]

but apparently it also means intensely disliked

[fluid canyon]

I had no idea what "anathema" meant. I was ready to blame the fact that English is my second language but apparently, lots of people are experiencing that same confusion

[zenith jacinth]

DE likes obscure confusing words

[fringe pond]

Ngl the only reason i know what Anathema means is because I’m into Warhammer 😭

[fluid canyon]

There were giant kavats on my Railjack at one point. It was baaad. I do hope they patch Roathe, though. I wanted to date him!

I have the screenshots to prove it

[fringe pond]

Speaking of kavats
Why do random headless kavats show up and fight alongside me sometimes?

Is it duplex bond freaking out?

[zenith jacinth]

The only reason I know is because I decided to look it up after wf annoyed me enough

[zenith jacinth]

Might be

Headless kavats are a classic glitch

[fringe pond]

Duplex bond freaks out often
Sometimes there’s invisible ones that i can somehow revive

[fluid canyon]

How about headless warframes? Sometimes I walk into the plains as a headless warframe with no legs

[zenith jacinth]

Rarer but also classic

[feral lintel]

for a good while i had a equinox without a head

because of the coda infection glitch

[fluid canyon]

Sometimes I load into a mission and everyone's Vanilla Excalibur. Always hilarious

I'm going to try turning this back on. I may have bugged it by removing the checkmark. Hopefully something will happen at 8 PM today

[zenith jacinth]

A couple weeks ago there was a glitch that would replace drifter with "suit", a placeholder for all frames. It looked like excal wearing drifter clothes and with a default excal shaped eyeball for a head

[zenith jacinth]

Why'd you turn it off

[fluid canyon]

I was getting frustrated with how long it was taking and I wanted to date Roathe already LOL I messed up

[pastel pasture]

Chat they don't know 😏

[deft mist]

Same

[robust swallow]

did anyone test what happens if your team leaves near the end of last mission and you technically finish it on your own?

[balmy storm]

Likely doesn’t work

Maybe if they leave In the second mission

[robust swallow]

vampiric liminus on flare mess me up

i think they damage flare too

[languid heath]

I’m regretting grinding Descendia. Roathe is hitting me with every single voice message and I do not have the energy today to deal with that. Bro talks too much.

[pastel pasture]

anyway since I didn't actually tell you

dating Roathe is either impossible or extreamly precise as its bugged

if you wanna kiss an orokin you have to wait for hotfix

[mental ice]

Hope DE has a fix soon for us, warframe is like a drug

[pastel pasture]

i suspect KIM is going to be the first hotfix of the year

[mental ice]

agreed, and likely most simple one to do

[pastel pasture]

Old peace has 2 major bugs RN

Drifterator and KIM

[mental ice]

KIM should be easy, since it's just flags not triggering 🤔

[pastel pasture]

Drifterator is cosmetic but immersion breaking. KIM is.....

well i'm surprised it's still playable

so i really suspect fixing KIM is their top priority

[mental ice]

DElayed kim stuff isn't that bad thankfully, as far as bugs go

[pastel pasture]

I think KIM is really important to some people as far as in-game stuff goes

for me personally the state of the triad KIM makes it hard for me to care about it

[mental ice]

Lorewise kim is important but not game breaking 🤔 ofc people will be upset and gamers can be quite vocal about such things not working, but thankfully KIM has no relation to main vetrical slice of the game

[pastel pasture]

the drifterator bug is also whats curently stopping my plans to replay the story quests

oh wait there IS a game breaking bug actually

replaying whispers in the walls causes severe issue RN

you can't finish the quest and the necralisk is stuck in pre-whispers mode

[robust swallow]

that is the most bullshit combo i've seen so far

[mental ice]

darn yeah that drifterator bug is making it impossible 🤔

[pastel pasture]

its not drifterator thats doing it

I think it has to do with having rank 5 cavia standing

[mental ice]

its wally

ah that would make sense

[pastel pasture]

(necra?)loid is misplaced,

[mental ice]

surprised there's no honoria for ranking 5 with syndicates or conclave, seems like a missed opportunity but DE might add them later 🤔 likely they didn't want to add too much in one go

[pastel pasture]

idk about rank 5 syndicates but we are getting more challenge honorias

[mental ice]

nice 🙂 my grievance is the 'dating' honorias, this one grates me since I don't want my drifter to be player reseting stuff to bang everyone, especially guys since I don't swing that way so kind of annoying those things feel forced on me (drop own personal morality to get rewarded) thing

I find them inaccessible to me because of that, I'd have to swallow a bitter pill to collect stuff 🤔

[real niche]

I hate that there are dating Honorias too

[mental ice]

I would be better if there was one general dating honoria overall

[zenith jacinth]

Why immersion breaking??

[remote raft]

I saw a video of someone going through all the challenges it didn't count because there was a host migration

[zenith jacinth]

Well. They aren't forced.

And tbh they're kinda meh

[real niche]

An extrinsic reward for something that makes it more out like a checklist to 100% than an activity you do for its own sake. It's not a big deal but I just don't like it

[mental ice]

From a completionist perspective? Kind of feel like it, I mean, I have all Janus Vor, Fragmented one and Tank accolades, but I bet dating everyone to get all honoria is asking people to drop their moral values. People who created male drifter (their personalized avatar) and are into guys, shouldn't feel the need to romance women, just to collect everything.

OFC that is only true for completionists 🙂

[zenith jacinth]

Wrong reply?

[real niche]

Oh wait

I though that was about Honoria

[zenith jacinth]

That is absolutely not the point/intent tbh

[pastel pasture]

i mean you just get stuck with a weird lookin dude as your player for a quest primarily involving looking at your character

[zenith jacinth]

Nah I didn't read further up, I get it

[mental ice]

Yeah I get the real intent of DE, they wanted to reward someone in nice way to give them something like a title for dating someone, but it does clash with some players who have the hamster completionist hoarder mindset about warframe

[zenith jacinth]

A tiny problem for the odd few to deal with themselves

[pastel pasture]

I feel the same way

im choosing to not think about the implications of my desire to collect honorias and kiss emails

[mental ice]

in scope of everything, yeah it is tiny problem, but it is still a problem nonetheless

[zenith jacinth]

Idc for completion in live service games bc it's physically impossible

[pastel pasture]

you learn to like...not think about it the stuff you can't get anymore

[mental ice]

yep, pretty much this

[pastel pasture]

i want all the weapons. I can't get the founder weapons? it's cool im just not going to think too much about it

100% of equipment in warframe is actually impossible for anyone

unless original founder's were somehow able to get Chinesse founder stuff

[mental ice]

true

[zenith jacinth]

Simple solution is to weigh pros and cons. Pros: you get a worthless title you're probably never gonna use
Cons: you go against your own preferences and morals

[pastel pasture]

Honestly?

[teal steppe]

Sooo... From what I gather, || Marie is supposed to ask what to do in order to get Loid to talk with the family upstairs. However, it seems because I didn't max out the Entrati Family syndicate before getting Marie to "Close/Best Friends" status, I think the conversation to set the correct variable is now locked out? || Do I need to wait for an update, or do I time-loop The Devil's Triad and start again?

[pastel pasture]

it bugs me yeah but in the end it's a video game?

[zenith jacinth]

I'm using the vazarin tauron title bc staffbearer is just cool, I don't want to bother with the rest of the strikes for completion

[pastel pasture]

my desire to collect stuff is more important to me then my desire to not hurt a video game character's feelings

[zenith jacinth]

That's also my opinion sometimes

[pastel pasture]

i would heavily advise to not reset right now

hotfix might fix it without you having to reset. but resetting is broken rn

[mental ice]

amen to that @pastel pasture at the end of the day it is a video game and besides the romance itself is a reward on it's own really, the immersion and the experience and ||drifter not being eternal undying virgin||

[pastel pasture]

so resetting will make everything worse for you

[zenith jacinth]

I reset hex thrice bc the either hyper-horny or just very limited backroom lines of the 3 previous people got grating

Quincy I tolerate, almost like

[pastel pasture]

Lotus: Drifter, I need you to go back in time and date as many people as possible.

Drifter: you got it

Lotus: Operator, I need you to assemble a books worth of trauma to share with a therapist

Operator: Can I date people t-

Lotus: Now get in the bath, it's trauma time

[mental ice]

No kidding....can't count the times I wished there was a gag prime so I could have the hex member in my backroom shut up 🤣

there's only so many times you can hear Eleanor burping pigeon

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, I loved aoi's KIM convos and her personality, then in the backroom she does a complete 180 and only talks about having fun

So incredibly annoying

[mental ice]

yeah, you bullet jump between navigation and arsenal and hear same one-liners, at some point I really want to tie Eleanor to the helmnith chair and mind-gag her so I can have some peace. The woman never stops talking.

[pastel pasture]

that's why you date the triad

[zenith jacinth]

The backroom lines made me use the fast travel wheel

[mental ice]

they stay in the basement and there is blissful silence 🤣

[pastel pasture]

i should go check on amir in the backroom

see if he's holding up or if he's overdosed on that caffine thing he drinks

[mental ice]

I'd wish DE added an option to move the hex member around as decoration, but then I figured out too many people would stick them in helmnith's mouth with only legs visible

[zenith jacinth]

Ngl if the backroom wasn't much more fun to decorate I'd be back in the dripter camp already

[mental ice]

Too bad dormizone has no navigation :/ I have most stuff there because it's spacious

[pastel pasture]

let us use transference and walk them somewhere. can't bullet jump or double jump. anywhere they can stand becomes free game

also yes lett Dormizone be a real base of operations!

[zenith jacinth]

There have been hints that they intend to make it a main base option

[pastel pasture]

Drifter camp: access to Kahl and Ordis

Backrooms: Access to 1999

Orbiter:

Dormizone: access to Duviri and Zariman

[zenith jacinth]

Orbiter: access to rj

[balmy storm]

Haven’t they specifically said no

[pastel pasture]

NGL i forget railjack existed for a second

[mental ice]

with the first three having Navigation, the last one, with most space for decoration junk

[balmy storm]

Orbiter and camp have access to railjack and mom customization

[zenith jacinth]

P sure they said they're looking at making it one

[balmy storm]

I could have sworn they said they weren’t but have talked about the idea

[pastel pasture]

Imagine they give us a sanctum base of operations

[mental ice]

if thrax during operation can become freeloader, they can as well place navigation console therer

[balmy storm]

If they did they’d have to expand it anyway

[pastel pasture]

let you choose one of the cavia to keep in the room.

[mental ice]

player housing is always nice in games

[pastel pasture]

ok ok hear me out

add a bunch of wall pieces. HEAR ME OUT

[mental ice]

if we could move the hex member around, I'd build a kitchen and send eleanor there 🤣

[pastel pasture]

and give us a base of operation that's just an empty space on Tau

[balmy storm]

Dojos:

[pastel pasture]

Dojos aren't real!

[mental ice]

they could do that, dojos are....kind of nice but to be fair, most tennos run solo clans

[balmy storm]

I mean you can still decorate in a solo clan lol

[pastel pasture]

too resource intensive

[mental ice]

yeah and I do, was in some clans in the past but there used to be 'you have to play contantly and contribute or your out' stuff, and I kind of don't like having to make warframe a job

ended up running solo clan for peace of mind

[pastel pasture]

once i finish all my research i plan to recruit with a "no offline kick" motto

[fluid canyon]

Believe me, I'm aware. So frustrating. I rushed it for no reason!

[mental ice]

unless operation hits and you get rewarded for player contributions scaled by the amount of players in dojo

[pastel pasture]

ew

[mental ice]

dojos could of have been handled better 🤷‍♂️

they aren't bad but they are more like glorified sandbox space

[pastel pasture]

i wanna say somethin about KIM

Quincy drinking one of Amir's drinks and remarking about how jittery it makes him feel despite it being meant to be a calm down drink really resonates with me

because i literally opened a can of monster to calm down

[mental ice]

I like KIM, also kudos for DE for Kaya's storyline, kind of ballas'y to roll with it, considering she is a minor 🤔 I approve of treating M rated game and players as mature

[balmy storm]

She’s 19?

[real niche]

ZA-

[mental ice]

doesn't act like it, with all the school references and trope.... I assumed she's 16 or something

[balmy storm]

She was in college???

[mental ice]

hm, yeah just checked, you are right 🤔 weird, I'm a 90's kid and she's definitely giving me vibes of high school

[pastel pasture]

I mean

[balmy storm]

She’s still 19

[pastel pasture]

She's fresh out of high-school

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[mental ice]

I mean, sure she is, I do not dispute that she's 19, but still that would technically make her romanceable 😅

[balmy storm]

Idr if she says what year of college she was in but
She’s also still a 19 year old in 1999 lol

[pastel pasture]

Too much of an age gap imo

[balmy storm]

I think she’s not due to her trauma

[mental ice]

they ALL have trauma tho xD

[balmy storm]

The Drifter is at minimum well over a thousand years old

[pastel pasture]

I see drifter as like. Late 20s at the youngest

[balmy storm]

Her trauma specifically relates to relationships.

[pastel pasture]

I mean are they though

[mental ice]

so does Eleanors

[balmy storm]

YES

[pastel pasture]

Drifter was caught in a time loop

[balmy storm]

Different kind of relationship trauma

Also Kaya’s 19.

[real niche]

Chronological age is a real treat

[balmy storm]

And remembered all of it, all well over a thousand years!

[pastel pasture]

That's mental age

[mental ice]

19 makes her still eligible 🤷‍♂️ I mean, it's not like IRL has no couples with 20 years gap, right?

[pastel pasture]

Chronological they are not 1000

[zenith jacinth]

[balmy storm]

That’s
Still their age

Drifter was an adult and then the looping started

And they remember all of it

[zenith jacinth]

Ezir. Kaya's trauma involves her first and likely last bf sharing her noods

[balmy storm]

The most interest she ever expresses in Arthur and it’s not something she’d pursue

[mental ice]

I am aware, but that still doesn't mean Drifter couldn't make her trust and believe again 🤷‍♂️ Eleanor's fiance got blown to bits too if you recall, thats also trauma

[balmy storm]

Okay
Not all trauma is the same

[zenith jacinth]

Different trauma

[steep totem]

That's a lot different than having the person you like betray your trust

[mental ice]

I am also aware, but regardless ANY trauma can be moved on from, that's the point of healing and that's what drifter does, right?

[balmy storm]

Just cause they both have trauma that relates to relationships doesn’t mean they have the same opinions on relationships
That’s not how trauma or people work.

[zenith jacinth]

Not necessarily

[balmy storm]

Not all trauma can be moved on from

And also
Kaya
Is 19

[mental ice]

Shizophrenia can't be moved from, phobias and traumas most certaintly can, and Kaya being 19 makes her adult 🤷‍♂️

[balmy storm]

Her brain is technically still in development, that trauma is incredibly impactful on her and she hasn’t had the time to sit with it, not like Eleanor

[zenith jacinth]

Dude

[pastel pasture]

hot take: adult is 21+.

[balmy storm]

Not
All
Trauma
Is
The
Same

[mental ice]

Never called it same, but I said all trauma can be worked on, which IS true

degree of difficulty to reconcile past is different of course

[zenith jacinth]

Hi I'm 20, I have old trauma that gives me trust issues, I haven't gotten over it.

Kaya's trauma is RECENT

[pastel pasture]

let us date Flare. I want to share them with the guitar

[zenith jacinth]

Like, "couple months before the loop" recent

[balmy storm]

Regardless of whether or not she can move on from it she still doesn’t have to be datable
Like she does somewhat move past it and still isn’t

In theory with infinite time, yeah maybe sure
But that still doesn’t mean she’s interested, it can still effect her after processing it

[balmy storm]

Agreed
We have polycules now (as poorly implemented as they are)

[mental ice]

I mean, I agree with you guys that not all trauma is same, since I do have degree in psychology, empathy and erickson therapy were my favorite (although I do NOT work in the field) but what I mean is Kaya is portrayed as super young genius who can figure out entrati's plan. I am fully in belief if anyone can move past a traumatic experience, it is someone like her

[brazen glen]

Are the Narmur still a major faction after the quest, like do they grow in numbers or are they just dwindling now?

[pastel pasture]

yes, Narmer is still a threat after New War

[zenith jacinth]

The first one

[misty veldt]

If i already confessed to Marie do I have to do it again?

[pastel pasture]

it's not shown off well in game but Narmer is a looming threat that still attacks places like Cetus and Fortuna

[balmy storm]

It just happened to her from her perspective, as long as we reset the loop she’s stuck in that loop of dealing with it
With infinite time, sure yeah maybe, but that’s not how her story plays out

They also likely didn’t go for both due to the nature of her story and trauma and her being the youngest

[brazen glen]

cool I don't see much of them unless it's the archon hunt I was just curious

[pastel pasture]

they got bounties on Cetus/Fortuna

[balmy storm]

Really hope we get more Narmer content this year

[zenith jacinth]

Still gonna take a long time

[balmy storm]

Maybe it’ll happen this time

[brazen glen]

oh what the heck they do?

[pastel pasture]

i mean. nothing major? gives you some Narmer style rewards

[zenith jacinth]

Same as any other bounty tbh

[mental ice]

Yeah I agree most likely its because of that or also the fact they didn't really want to add more romances with round table. I am pretty sure Drifter, given enoug loops, would figure out a way to help Kaya, so I wouldn't say it would be off the table, but there's only so much a game can give us and so many romanceables 🙂

[zenith jacinth]

But off screen narmer is still kidnapping and veiling ppl

[balmy storm]

We
We do help her

[mental ice]

Ad agreed with you all, Narmer should get more exposition, they are kind of there but not

[balmy storm]

Maybe not in resolving everything but we don’t have to

We help her accomplish what she wanted and she realized she has a family with the Hex and Roundtable, as well as us

[pastel pasture]

ok you wanna know the REAL reason we can't date Kaya?

[mental ice]

Because she's a minor but DE slapped age 19 to not get in trouble for having a minor with bad past? XD

[jagged sable]

Because She's probably closer to the Operator's age than the Drifter's?

[pastel pasture]

because DE didn't want you to be able to date two people at once, didn't want you to have tto break up with your chosen partner, and now that the first point is false they don't want to go back and update old content

[mental ice]

I mean, Japanese do 500 or 1000 years old lolis all the time 🤣

as creepy as it is

[balmy storm]

Oh she absolutely is

[mental ice]

definitely

[pastel pasture]

also because consent says dating two people in the mall would be awkward and to make ignoring consent conversations not be weird

[balmy storm]

Idk if that would have broken things, more so would have made people disappointed ig but that’d be realistic

[mental ice]

the whole consent talk should still be more tricky and a minefield if handled poorly by drifter 🤔 too bad it's so...shallow

[balmy storm]

They added the consent/polycule mechanic to alleviate it but with how it was implemented I’d prefer just having to choose

[brazen glen]

Warframe got polygamy?

[balmy storm]

That’s def more so the excuse they came up with
Though it would be true for most of them

[pastel pasture]

yes

[cerulean kiln]

Dating a Triad on a PC that is awfully close to the other person you date

[pastel pasture]

you can date a nun and a person who wants to be a nun for that 1.5 nun action

[balmy storm]

Arthur and Aoi should not date again in any capacity
Arthur and Eleanor are siblings and shouldn’t be in a polycule (duh)
I believe there’s more examples too

[balmy storm]

It’s optional and presently not well implemented

[pastel pasture]

Sending ILY messages to Roathe as Aoi stands over your shoulder in the backroom wondering who you're talking to

[balmy storm]

Idk why they didn’t make it so they at least fake talk to eachother or something, cause the way it’s been implemented it’s not even a polycule

[pastel pasture]

oh, another reason that Kaya is undateable

all of the hex is dateable. all of the triad is dateable

but all of the round table can't be dateable for...obvious reasons

[mental ice]

Minerva and Velimir are obvious Flare has...guitar so I guess taken already

[pastel pasture]

I have my doubts that Flare would even be interested

[balmy storm]

Already a couple
Already a kinda couple
Trauma

[mental ice]

Flare is molesting with hands whole day the guitar that is aware of touch...

[pastel pasture]

I think Lizzie would be willing to share Flare tho

[brazen glen]

Is flare like in an actual relationship with lizzy?

[balmy storm]

Technically she always is

[balmy storm]

Not in a traditional way at all

Depends how you finish their story

[cerulean kiln]

Flare is Lizzie Technically

[mental ice]

Yeah, during drinking it IS hinted that Flare did something to the guitar so.... yeah

[balmy storm]

Their story is more about accepting Lizzie is a part of them iirc
Like
Not just physically

[pastel pasture]

I don't think Flare is really in a good spot for a relationship RN anyway

[mental ice]

Hope DE will expand on the kim and add more to dating (and pleas a gag prime so I can shut eleanor up about burping 🙏 )

or at least allow me to give her something for that

[pastel pasture]

DE needs to let me date Lotus

give her a KIM account once we get to Tau

[mental ice]

Doesn't operator already take dip in her bathwater? 🤔

[night zephyr]

Flare’s too good for us ngl I feel completely out of their league

[pastel pasture]

Flare feels like the type who'd only date themself

[brazen glen]

What are the chances of chinchilla like companions?

[pastel pasture]

23.41%

i suspect, depending on how deep Tau is, our next companion will be sentients

[balmy storm]

That
Is our mother.

[pastel pasture]

like we get an Amar style companion

[pastel pasture]

Operator's mother

[night zephyr]

More dogs is never a bad idea

[pastel pasture]

Drifter has very little relation with the Lotus

[balmy storm]

So you’d date the adoptive mother of your alternate self and that
Would not be weird at all to you?

You’d be your own parent in some regard depending on how far things went

[pastel pasture]

Operator needs a second mom

[balmy storm]

They

They have one

[mental ice]

It's more weird that you would romane and sleep with someone that used to romance and sleep with ballas before you...I aint touching that

[pastel pasture]

then a third mom

[balmy storm]

Lotus didn’t do that technically

[balmy storm]

It’s more so baffling how that isn’t weird at all to you

[pastel pasture]

Eternalism or something i don't know

[mental ice]

Pretty sure....it might have happened at some point but yeah, for sanity I believe it did not

[worn fjord]

Lol 😂

[balmy storm]

That was Margulis not Lotus

[balmy storm]

Oh I’m saving that

[worn fjord]

Haha yea I saved it the other day too

[pastel pasture]

i already have it saved 😛

[balmy storm]

Eternalism is applicable to Drifter
It however is not an applicable excuse for wanting to date what is essentially a version of one’s one adoptive mother

[mental ice]

Yeahhh but during The New War there's some questionable lines from lotus about Ballas hands all over her and stuff like that, I mean he kisshed her few times too and said he 'loved her once, she was so like her' etc... but yeah I ain't going to think about that 🤮

[worn fjord]

What convo did I walk into

[balmy storm]

She has Margulis’ memories (somehow) and Ballas is just a creep

[pastel pasture]

the ethics of dating a robot

[zenith jacinth]

Not to mention her being our literal adoptive mother

[balmy storm]

No
This is the ethics of dating an alt self’s adoptive mother

You can date a sentient just fine, that ain’t what this is about

[mental ice]

Yeah, but I mean, we talk about Ballas who made Khora in lotus image, dude literally made himself a doll 😐

[deft mist]

I didn't know that

[pastel pasture]

what about dating bird 3? how ethical is that on a scale of 1-10

[mental ice]

There's some lore about it

[balmy storm]

Khora was in Margulis’ image
Lotus is also in her image

[balmy storm]

Yeah go for it lmao

[worn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[balmy storm]

YEAH

ME TOO

[misty veldt]

[balmy storm]

Also Operator would absolutely bar Drifter from even trying if it was ever a thought in their head

[worn fjord]

This

[balmy storm]

And I really doubt Lotus would want to date a grown version of her child

[deft mist]

True

[balmy storm]

The only argument for her being datable is players want it which disregards every single character effected

[pastel pasture]

date hunhow

[deft mist]

Drifter has operators memories as well and vica versa

[zenith jacinth]

-6

[pastel pasture]

elaborate

[balmy storm]

THATS OUR GRANDPA

[flat loom]

.... Am I missing some context here or is that all that

[pastel pasture]

only context is that im just saying stuff to rile people up

[zenith jacinth]

He is a BIRD

[deft mist]

I like his charecter he cares for lotus(natah) in his own way

[flat loom]

Well congrats, it worked

[pastel pasture]

a sapient one

[zenith jacinth]

Bird is bird

[flat loom]

Still puts you under -6 if anything

Like

[balmy storm]

I hope he at least says something this year

[flat loom]

Under under under

[balmy storm]

I’ll take anything

[flat loom]

Do not the bird, or any creature for that matter

[zenith jacinth]

A whole land down under

[worn fjord]

I hope Hunhow is included in the story more

[deft mist]

His voice reminds me of james spader

[flat loom]

Could say that again

[pastel pasture]

ok ok what about dating. and hear me out on this

what are the ethics on dating Aoi

[balmy storm]

WHAT

[flat loom]

If it's anything other than the protoframes then no

[balmy storm]

Ticker
Little Duck
The Unum

[flat loom]

Okay good

No ethics, she's your average girl

[deft mist]

She honestly seems really chill

[pastel pasture]

dating Umbra

[balmy storm]

Can I date Yonta

She’s just a void ghost

[worn fjord]

Real. Cavalero too

[deft mist]

I want umbra in the story more

[pastel pasture]

Drifter: Hey Umbra, I wanted to ask you something [confess feelings]

Umbra: growl

[flat loom]

They all get a pass, prolly any monster girl or augmented chick for that matter, hell even lizzie cause that's a hear me out

And no I will not take "BUT SHE'S A GUITAR" from arthur or quincy

[zenith jacinth]

He's kinda like our dad or uncle

[flat loom]

But if it's literally just animal talking animal animals, thats a big nono

[pastel pasture]

fine, then what about dating Nef Anyo?

[deft mist]

The violent overprotective uncle

[balmy storm]

I mean she technically can control and is a part of Flare so I’d argue Lizzie is way less of a hear me out than you’d think she would be

Helminth on the other hand…

[flat loom]

I will kill nef anyo, revive him again, then kill again and then myself

[brazen glen]

Is there any lore reason why the drifter doesn't take up swords or anything and only uses the amp once they leave duviri? I always wanted to have them be able to use sun and moon outside of duviri.

[zenith jacinth]

If you want to torture yourself, sure

[flat loom]

Fair

[balmy storm]

Warframes are better than normal human

[zenith jacinth]

Gameplay only

[deft mist]

Amd then send him and you to the sun

[uncut solar]

Fair, but also they have access to warframes

[flat loom]

Most logical thing I've heard this entire day and it's literally 2am my side

[uncut solar]

If you did this to Alad V he would've survived

[flat loom]

Access to frames after the agreement with operator prolly

[deft mist]

I want to kill anyo

[flat loom]

You and me both, bub

[deft mist]

I want a mission where you kill anyo

[pastel pasture]

anyway for the record

[uncut solar]

There used to be one

In a way

[pastel pasture]

I do not actually want to date lotus or bird 3.

Nef? Maybe

[deft mist]

I want to repeatedly kill him like i want to with ballas

[mental ice]

Nef could use some love :<

[pastel pasture]

i could fix Nef

[uncut solar]

Drusus?

[deft mist]

I actually hate anyo more then ballas

[flat loom]

Lotus is an understandable, bird 3 is a big nono

Nef is just.. why

[deft mist]

As in a lobotomy

[flat loom]

To spite people like me sure, but why

[uncut solar]

I like his voice

[pastel pasture]

i could get him to donate to charity

[mental ice]

Who is bigger manchild, Roathe or Nef? 🤔

[deft mist]

Only way to fix him

[cerulean kiln]

Wanting to date your space mother would be weird anyway

[deft mist]

Nef

[flat loom]

Don't get me wrong, I hate the guy, but he's a "I will kill him, moment I'm given a chance" on my list, but I'd understand if a friend said it, but like why date nef

[pastel pasture]

he's a funny little man

[deft mist]

And you are the only one that thinks that

[mental ice]

Salad romance for vegan warframe players...

[flat loom]

I know 3 funny men– okay one man

Nef's annoying af if anything

And he ain't that funny

[pastel pasture]

I like his voice...thats my only reason

[flat loom]

... Fair but will never leave me asking why, but understandable

Among other things

[pastel pasture]

benefits of dating Nef: He'd stand up to anyone who wronged you and fail miserably at it, but he'd still keep doing it

[mental ice]

I like how Nef is during Nokko update 🤣 he is so done with us again picking up on him xD like "WHY this colony, there are others" xD

[flat loom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-bus-stop-angry-shouting-gif-5144560278104615828

Prolly me, when he does keep trying again

[deft mist]

And the hex would kick him repeatedly

Probably in the nuts

[pastel pasture]

maybe he needs a nut kicking to fix him

[cerulean kiln]

A downside is he'd steal all your money without a second notice

[mental ice]

that Parvos burn though was so funny xD

[deft mist]

Pavros actually seems somewhat reasonable

Personal opinion

[cerulean kiln]

Parvos created Corpus as a pyramid scheme

[deft mist]

I said reasonable not sane

[mental ice]

his philosophy of self reliance is good tho

[zenith jacinth]

I think that'd make his voice impossible for humans to hear

[cerulean kiln]

In his roast he was actually exposing himself

[deft mist]

Voruna could

[uncut solar]

His self reliance implies he's gonna take part even if it means punching down

[zenith jacinth]

And a lie

[uncut solar]

Man has been a thief his entire life, he will borrow your shit and never return even if he's rich

In fact he will admit of the steal and say "what are you gonna do about it"

[pastel pasture]

ok ok ok ok ok hear me out ONE MORE TIME before i actually go back to playing this game

[mental ice]

sure but anyone could follow and do same thing as he does, he is even encouraging it, especially when he talks about his family, comparing them to animals happy to be fed and happy with no desire beyond what they get from others

[uncut solar]

"I took my opportunity"

[pastel pasture]

Let us date Kaeli or whatever her name is

[mental ice]

Kaeli belongs to Kahl (and the brothers)

[deft mist]

Heres mine the daughter

[uncut solar]

I feel like people don't get that his "anyone can do it" always includes him being first to violently take whatever he wants

[zenith jacinth]

Appearance, sure, but mentally? She's creepy

[mental ice]

It does, I mean, he's pretty much your typical achiever who would walk over others to do it, a stone cold businessman, not unlike some IRL people we have

[uncut solar]

He is worse than those irl people

Because there's literally no end to his greed in more ways than one

[zenith jacinth]

Parvos' teachings of self reliance are a "rules for thee, not for me" situation, he does NOTHING himself

[mental ice]

I know a guy 1:1 that is Parvos, who would purchase himself a helicopter and whatever he vainly desired, but would hire 10 people and not even host a christmas eve party for them 🤣

[uncut solar]

Fair enough

[cerulean kiln]

He took advantage of a depressed Cephalon by himself

[uncut solar]

Ppl say that Parvos might be "fair" but then his whole thing is that he's giving you an even field of "opportunity" against his violent takeover

[zenith jacinth]

True

[mental ice]

Parvos is just that, the worst of the worst businessman really, taking whatever he wants, he is NOT fair to others or just to others, he is opportunist, but I think he would respect people like himself, who would not bend the knee, the rest for him would be cogs in machine that can make him money

[uncut solar]

Yeah he would show respect while curb stomping them by an underpaid hire

[mental ice]

I mean he literally offers Ordis a deal 👀 he thinks he can own and purchase everyone as long as he plays to their desire

of course his deals include him getting bigger share

he's not wrong though in thinking that 'everyone has their price' 🤔 most people do, even IRL

[cerulean kiln]

Not all deals are honest

[zenith jacinth]

Like pyramid schemes

[cerulean kiln]

Remember Parvos literally created a pyramid scheme

[mental ice]

any private business is a pyramid scheme to a degree though, I mean as long as you are employed your work has to earn money to:

• cover your salary
• generate someones company income
• generate income for the company's boss (or board of directors)

[undone lodge]

…there’s like, multiple KIM things where they said they don’t and forgot a lot of it

[fringe pond]

This mf made his symbol a pyramid too

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah and depending on the country and company it's like parvos' heavily skewed scheme too

[undone lodge]

Including their prior relationship with Albrecht

[undone lodge]

Not even technically, it just is still developing

[balmy storm]

And yet they remember every time they fell off a Kaithe

[mental ice]

Heh, in my headcanon, drifter does A LOT of dumb stuff and resets. I mean, he can literally go to 1999 beat the crap out of Quincy and reset and be happy about it since no one remembers

the whole reset magic can be abused in so many ways 😐

[balmy storm]

Lmao I wasn’t doubting what you said, I’m just stating the facts

[cerulean kiln]

Can you even fall off a Kaithe in game?

[zenith jacinth]

Nuh

[mental ice]

Every signle time I see degage narta, it reminds me of shepard's dancing 🗿

wish we had dancing club in warframe, 1999 preview with all the embers was so awesome, too bad the stage became spawn area with people just standing around

[fringe pond]

If you count the Kaithe vanishing when you take enough damage i guess

[undone lodge]

There was this like, thing people had going on the underground area of fortuna at one point

It was after the Hollvania mall preview got closed, people (mainly Embers) went to it as a replacement

[undone lodge]

Made discovering it without knowing very confusing

[mental ice]

lol missed that one then 🤣 still an actual social place like a big dance club for tennos would be fun to have

[blazing gulch]

It seems like it

[limpid gale]

So I noticed that if I date one of the Triad, Quincy will pretend if I’m dating one of the Hex. Has anyone else noticed this?

[gray orchid]

Think someone posted about that on the bug report forum

[quick smelt]

Nah
Aside from too much damage

I think it’s basically implied the drifter had gotten so good at riding a Kaithe that it’s basically impossible to get them to fall off one aside from the Kaithe despawning from damage.

[keen hedge]

Does anyone know how to reset your Kim messages

Cause I wanna reset mine so I can fix it

[zenith jacinth]

Book icon on the pom2

[keen hedge]

Where exactly is the book icon if you don’t mind me asking

[zenith jacinth]

Bottom right

In the KIM screen ofc

[keen hedge]

Ty

[zenith jacinth]

[keen hedge]

It’s not there for me. Is that normal?

[zenith jacinth]

Hold on

[keen hedge]

Ok

[zenith jacinth]

It should be next to the settings button in the KIM screen

[keen hedge]

It doesn’t show up at all for me

[zenith jacinth]

Odd

[keen hedge]

Yea

[zenith jacinth]

When did you last reset?

[keen hedge]

I haven’t

I’ve never reset it

[zenith jacinth]

Then I have no idea what might be causing it to just not exist

[keen hedge]

Well Ty anyway

I think my chat is also broken cause I haven’t received any messages from anyone since yesterday afternoon. Before I did roathes boss fight 21 times

I figured I would’ve gotten a message or something for that

[zenith jacinth]

Well you are supposed to get 1 voice message per fight

[keen hedge]

Yea then definitely

I fought him about 23 times

[copper gorge]

erm....

[proper frost]

Ok I am gonna have to reset the devil's triad , it's been like 2 days and I haven't gotten a new mess from anyone, legit got Marie and Lyon but roathe just didn't wanna be convinced

[zenith jacinth]

Wait for a bugfix patch

[proper frost]

Too late

[zenith jacinth]

F, enjoy probably getting glitched out again

[proper frost]

I don't think I was glitched out

Just failed the route with him

Roathe is the one that's the hardest to convince, even one different choice can send him on a wildly diff path

[zenith jacinth]

Was it on anathema?

[proper frost]

Nope

[zenith jacinth]

Ok thas weird then

Love how much of a glitchy buggy mess this update is

[proper frost]

I got to the point where I disobeyed him on descendia, and he demanded I reset his mind, I told him no and would find another way, he said best of luck then, and never sent a new message

[zenith jacinth]

Got to 21 kills?

[proper frost]

So either that was legit the end of his route and I have to reset regardless, or legit bugged, likely force route reset cuz that's part of his chats

And yes, you literally can't get that message without 21

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think they'd force ppl to reset, think he did just break

[flat pilot]

(lyon romance spoiler) man this is so cute

[proper frost]

Part of his chats involves resets, roathe is aware of them, part of his chats

[zenith jacinth]

Yes I get that, but I very much doubt that DE would force you to reset

[proper frost]

They would if you want different route and dialog options, part of why your even given that option

[zenith jacinth]

Yes obv that but not just to complete one convo line

[proper frost]

Shrug I'm just picking different choices now anyways till I get what is needed

[real niche]

You don't need to reset to complete the Triad. In fact doing the reset makes Roathe harder to deal with, it's just that the convos are bugged in general with them

[proper frost]

I'm not gonna wait for a patch, I've been wait for bug fixes on things for about 3 years on some things

[zenith jacinth]

If they haven't been fixed they're either very minor or hard to fix, KIM isn't

[cerulean kiln]

There's also the fact DE were on break when the bugs showed up

[zenith jacinth]

Yea like, being pessimistic on KIM bugs is just unfair

[night grail]

This says something

Im just not sure of what

[real niche]

This always happens with their end-of-year update

Remember Railjack?

[mental ice]

yeah, but that's kind of unavoidable, they have little time when they release update and go to rest, and they deserve rest like everyone 🙂 Besides they will fix most glaring bugs anyway

it's still not as terrible as Fortuna optimization upon release 😐

[eager dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-man-hello-chat-hello-chat-gif-24187047

Did they hotfix today or update us on the bugs with Kim chat?

[civic ore]

they just got back from their vacation

[feral barn]

So....I have Lyon and Roathe as best friends, I'm dating Marie, made Roathe face the truth about things and he as accepted on the deal....I'm guessing now I wait for the Kim chat to reunite Loid (soon to be infested) with the Family?

[winged ore]

yeah, those of us that got the best ending for everyone, are the most bugged to not get the cutscene

[feral barn]

https://tenor.com/view/levi-ao-t-attack-on-titan-shingeki-no-kyojin-screaming-internally-gif-15129158

[unreal field]

So if Roathe is not agreeing to accept what he did and stop being a twit, does this mean I actually have to reset the Devil's Triad to get Loid talking to the Entrati family or is there some other path around this? Looks like I have gotten Marie's final message already.

[feral barn]

You can get Leon and Marie to help, but if they fail you are pretty much done I believe

[blazing gulch]

Guys, which is the rank 6? i thought it was best friends, it is right?

[unreal field]

I guess I'll see if asking Lyon to help comes up.

[sweet cape]

So trying to make sure I don’t mess up w roathe what’s the safest answer?

[feral barn]

I went with the second option I believe, learning more about Roathe

[flat pilot]

yep

[feral barn]

You also want to challenge his Orokin ideology for the thermostat counter

[blazing gulch]

Then why I have no more convos if according to Kim theres convos for rank 6 ;-;