spoiler-chat

[fluid canyon]

I already messed up with the Roundtable when Velimir told me "I screwed the pooch on [him and Minerva]" so pleaaase, don't make me have to reset the new protoframes as well LOL

[simple osprey]

That's the only time i fail with the protoframes, i did everything right for the hex and Roundtable the first time. Feel like being spit on to fail at this phase with the triad due to a logic problem

[fluid canyon]

Do you only get the option to confess your feelings after doing Descendia? That might explain why it didn't work for me

[simple osprey]

Never seen or tried the route for the confess to roathe because i was not interested about it

[solid otter]

You Nah. You literally cannot fail the hex and its really hard to screw up the round table.

[amber terrace]

Sol damnit! I think I cooked myself out of reuniting Loid with the rest of the Entrati

I am legit pressed

[pastel pasture]

except with vel and min

[solid otter]

I think you need to wait for the others to agree?

As long as you did your end of the deal, Roathe should follow through iirc

[amber terrace]

I kicked his ass 16 or 17 or I lost count amount of times in one day after he yelled at me for not doing Descendia

[solid otter]

This is exactly what I did lol

Im fine so far, but I have all Kim convos turned on

[amber terrace]

I got to 21 VM’s, I have the title to prove it

[amber terrace]

Same here

[pastel pasture]

"Drifter? I thought we said you'd DO DESCENDIA! Be better!"

18 runs later

"Drifter please stop. please. PLEASE."

[steep totem]

It's fairly easy to mess up with Flare
Just forget he's a musician, and that you should frame specific dilemmas around music

[pastel pasture]

"I am not a man who begs" -The man begging you to stop doing Descendia

[solid otter]

They're*, and no, its not hard. I think there's like. 2 checks?

Compared the triad's bazillions

[fluid canyon]

LOL I only killed him three times before I went on to farm Perita. I may have screwed myself out of a relationship with Roathe because I wanted to farm the new Tauron strikes

[solid otter]

Most people who screwed up Marie's chat deserved it ngl

[steep totem]

...
Sometimes I hate the fact they're a they
They look and sound masculine
It hurts my head

[solid otter]

Specifically those who thought it was a good idea to confess feelings in the middle of an argument

[steep totem]

To be fair, it works with Eleanor

[amber terrace]

Pretty much lol. If I may be cruel in an attempt to be funny, I wish Gianni Matragrano would’ve voiced Roathe and had a similar disposition to Gabriel Ultrakrill so when I kicked Roathe’s ass again and again, I could’ve heard Gabriel’s whining before the supposed console release of ultrakill(but I am getting ahead of myself here)

[solid otter]

Please god no not Gianni

I bought the Gabriel plushie and he haunts my dreams now

[fluid canyon]

I doubt any of you screwed up as badly as I did with Arthur when I made an incredibly inappropriate joke at the worst possible time. I forget what the joke was but it was baaaad

[solid otter]

Though, I am pretty sure Gianni does voice a character in warframe

[steep totem]

[solid otter]

ITS STALKER???

[steep totem]

Since Jade Shadows

Least I'm pretty sure it's him

The name is familiar

[echo basalt]

Yep

[solid otter]

Also. Reminder to this chat that Albrecht has his Daughter's book and token in the netracells

[amber terrace]

Whenever stalker shows up on me I make it a point to type in chat “Gabriel on me” and when he gets vaporized, I say “P ranked”

[pastel pasture]

That is a massive token

[solid otter]

Yeah the tokens are huge

[pastel pasture]

me handing Grandmother 250 tokens via dumptruck

[steep totem]

I wouldn't get that at all lol
I don't know the reference

[solid otter]

He also has Grandmother's and Daughter's, but not Son's or Father's

Albrecht is a platonic woman lover

[pastel pasture]

TBF Father is the son-in-law

[solid otter]

Yeah but why does he have Grandmother's 😭

[steep totem]

Who gave him Necramechs as a gift

[solid otter]

Albrecht doesn't like men until it's Loid i guess/j

[pastel pasture]

he likes to skibiddi hop (don't lynch me please its a joke)

[solid otter]

I dont think Albrecht liked people in general

[steep totem]

She used to have a name that means "The Mirror that Accuses"
I would want to stay well on her good side

[solid otter]

I choose to think that Grandmother and Loid used to drink tea and talk shit together

[steep totem]

one of the few things I agree with Roathe on
that is an epic name

[pastel pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

[steep totem]

Me, resisting to get that gun and rename it "Ington"

Lex-Ington

Really?
Nobody got that?

[solid otter]

I find it so funny that loid was all like "i do wish Albrecht could have met you" and when we do, this mf demands we kill a fascist and shoots us

[pastel pasture]

isn't that just what friends do?

[solid otter]

Friends absolutely should tell you to kill a fascist

[unreal field]

Does anyone know how to get around this bug? Next message will not appear. I even tried closing the POM and going back to it again

[feral barn]

Would this be considered disrespectful?

[feral barn]

Close and open the game as a last resort, try doing a mission to reset the kim system though

[reef compass]

soooo just now someone posted on reddit about a terrible find, seems that the whole Triad thing is broken in the worst of ways:

The last Roathe chat (hey, big spoilers here for real) ||to confirm and go to talk to Loid does nothing|| AND it has a bug that will ||substitute the chat with one where you tell him you got no clue about the others helping and him just cutting off||

I dont know if this is reported, but it's an enormous fumble

I have been afflicted by this and most likely many are and dont know, if you have finished your chats check your Roathe talk

[feral barn]

Can't be warframe without its occasional bugs, but people have managed to do the Triad without much issue, so I believe it is a random bug

Like playing Komei and rolling the dice

[reef compass]

no no, this isnt the triad thing about helping roathe with his memories, it's about ||the deal to help Loid||

[reef compass]

so yeah Triad progress is okay, its what you talk with Roathe

[feral barn]

Right, still it's likely a luck of the draw kind of bug, some get it, some don't

[reef compass]

but no one has posted it on reddit yet

whatever you might get

its been two days since my chats ended and I am pretty sure one day more since i was behind

[feral barn]

You should probably check the threads and see if its been reported there #1446197426871599194 if it hasn't, then post the link to the reddit you found and a brief explanation

[reef compass]

no one publishing if there's a reward for this, I am pretty sure no one has got whichever it is

yeah no topic at all about this

[reef compass]

apparently in the forums indeed many people have reported so!

soooo yeah it's broken :C

[feral barn]

Damn

[reef compass]

hopefully they can backpedal Roathe's log when they fix it

[feral barn]

Hope so

Maybe that's why he suddenly refused to help me and I had to get Lyon involved

[reef compass]

they already said they don't want to individually reset people cause of thematic stuff, but this being a bug most likely they will

[reef compass]

I didnt have any of those solving talks myself, I had everything in order and Roathe last so I guess it didnt trigger such cause of order, but maybe if you have Lyon later cause of priority it might snap such flag? Spaghetti code

[feral barn]

I did everything together, didn't leave anyone with a chat to do, hell i even stopped doing the chats until I had all requirements meet

[eager dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-man-hello-chat-hello-chat-gif-24187047

[reef compass]

hah maybe that waits me tomorrow then

[eager dagger]

It is day two of stuck in anathema with Roathe after man descendia battles

Bugs are wonderful

[reef compass]

mayyyybe they should stop doing these big updates before holidays lol

[tidal turret]

Wonder which is worse considering the lore Uriel + expedite suffering or Excalibur Umbra + Expedite suffering

[eager dagger]

Just found out from the forums if you reset to fix the problem it completely locks you out of the good ending hahahahs

[eager dagger]

A crazy idea for sure but it might…..be a good idea not waiting till the last minutes before they leave for weeks to do this

[reef compass]

I mean is there a way to "fix" it? cause I did that last chat, went to the Sanctum, went back, went elsewhere, did missions for the day... XD

[cinder marten]

did they rush the update or something

[eager dagger]

No but people are desperately resetting thinking it’ll help and it just locks them out

[reef compass]

oh wait when you mean reset you mean reset the whole Triad?? no no, I am not doing that

[cinder marten]

so no reset and we just thug it out till they hotfix it

[eager dagger]

Yes

[fallow sonnet]

I'd avoid touching anything until they hotfix, yeah

[eager dagger]

We hang till a hotfix hits

Yeah that’s the smart move people have reset the triad and it just locks them out of the ending

[reef compass]

thats a choice or bugs on top of bugs, wow

[fluid canyon]

Sooo, resetting the Triad is a bad idea then?

[full violet]

Well i stopped getting roathe VM messages after 16 descendia runs

idk if it's like a bug or i only get a certain amount per day

i did #17 add still got nothing

[fluid canyon]

You might get more tomorrow. It happened to me. I got a ton in a row today

[full violet]

loving waiting till 7pm for my voice messages

and i have work until 6pm tomorrow YAY

https://tenor.com/view/piddel-piddel-meme-piddel-gaming-piddel-pain-pain-gif-26176777

i just wanna kith roathe

[fluid canyon]

What I hate more than voice messages is having to wait for voice messages

[solid otter]

Read this as kill

[solid otter]

To cheer you up, imagine how he is recording them

[fluid canyon]

That helps! Thank you!

[solid otter]

Hes spilling his most traumatic memories right next to Loid.

Who he hates.

ngl I think Roathe hates loid for 2 reasons

[fluid canyon]

He might be ordering Loid around. He thinks Loid's the butler

[solid otter]

Perceives Loid's and Albrecht's relationship as the same as his own with niktoh and goes "absolutely not", and projects into loid

Or, less sad option, Roathe is just classist. Like most orokin.

[solid otter]

I mean he isn't... wrong. He is the butler. Just not for Roathe.

[eager dagger]

Terrible it seems to lock you out

[eager dagger]

There is a cap so try tomorrow

[flat loom]

Saw a vid of a captura with marie in it, is the scene for it random? Saw a cetus and drifter's camp one with her in it

If so, that's cool going on a date with them outside la cathédrale

[fluid canyon]

Eesh, I won't reset it then. I just hope we get a fix soon

[peak heath]

Hmm, I've hit close with the triad, but I don't seem to have an option to romance Marie yet.

The only charecter in the bio that says I could possibly romance is Roathe. But he's not my type.

[hallow wharf]

Same. Roathe went into Anathema again after I did all 21 descendia runs

[jagged sable]

Same.
It's not enough to just hit close tho, you gotta trip the datable flag in the KIM.

[hallow wharf]

Visual bug

I'm romanced to Marie and Roathe's notes still say he'd beign a romance if I asked

[eager dagger]

Same it’s happened every week right after finishing the full descendia just wait till it resets

[peak heath]

Did you have to approach her in person or was it started via KIM? I just explained why telling Tagfer to be greatful for the "gifts" Entratri gave him is a bad idea.

[cobalt scroll]

So either I'm not that close to Roathe, or DE forgot to make extra dating voice line after transform from base frame

[peak heath]

Also Marie just straight up does not have notes. Which might be the visual bug you've mentioned.

[solid otter]

You'd be surprised how many people disregarded everything Albrecht did to try and romance Marie

[cobalt scroll]

yeah but now her note is back after she make apology with me today

[solid otter]

Like its gotten to the point where if I see someone fail Marie's chat, its usually that

[peak heath]

Oh I've not done Entratri apologia with her, though I have tried to be receptive. I try to meet someone where they're at.

[cobalt scroll]

I'm actually stay neutral about Albrecht, because imo he is a complex person, he not good but not entirely evil

[solid otter]

I agree with some things Marie says, but her dismissal of the bad shit he did isn't something I agree with

[solid otter]

Thats what you're supposed to do lol

Don't heavily disagree, dont heavily agree

Try to show her that he isnt a saint

[peak heath]

The most clear bit was the last convo where I in no uncertain terms explained how horrible he was to the Cavia.

[hallow wharf]

I did it through KIM. Not sure if it can be done in the sanctum

[solid otter]

Lotta folk dont see it that way. Quite literally yesterday I had to explain to people that communication issues is not emotional abuse

[jagged sable]

Yeah, also don't be afraid to be as subtle as a brick through a window.

[peak heath]

I might be 1 day behind the rest then.

[hallow wharf]

I had that at some point too. It fixes itself after a bit

[solid otter]

I think people forget that trauma (and possibly ptsd oooo) does that. It causes communication issues.

Also people trying to blame Albrecht for Euleria's reaction to him leaving pisses me off so bad.

SHE WAS A GROWN ASS ADULT.

[abstract sorrel]

Marie is not from our time. She doesn’t know any better

[solid otter]

THAT WAS HER CHOICE.

[abstract sorrel]

She doesn’t know the things Albrecht did

How he brought out the man in the wall, helped bring down Empire

[solid otter]

Issue is, when she does learn, she dismisses it

[cobalt scroll]

I mean even my grandma at first still dismiss some questionable actions of many Christian (and argue with me about that topic), but later on she accepted that not every Christian is a faithful one, and Marie is just like my grandma

[abstract sorrel]

Albrecht is probably the most dangerous man alive

[solid otter]

I dont think he is for what Roathe says

[cobalt scroll]

Nikoth Ballas Tuvul:

[solid otter]

But he is because hes desperate.

[abstract sorrel]

Ballas is dead

As is Tuvul

[solid otter]

Ballas is very dead

[cobalt scroll]

then Wally is an actual dangerous man (in the wall) alive

[abstract sorrel]

Wally is dangerous but predictable

He can be lured and distracted easily

[solid otter]

Albrecht is dangerous because hes so desperate

[abstract sorrel]

This

[cobalt scroll]

but isn't wally also desperate to find his finger?

[solid otter]

Wally isnt particularly bothered when he gets it

[abstract sorrel]

Wally enjoys more giving torment to those he knows

[solid otter]

Hed rather torment Lyon

[abstract sorrel]

Albrecht believes he has to save reality itself and is willing to go to ANY means to do that

Nothing is off limits for him

He is dangerous because he believes himself righteous

[cobalt scroll]

I think Wally and Albrecht is playing Cat and mouse game

[cobalt scroll]

actually many of his statement implied that he isn't

[abstract sorrel]

A man who believes what he does is in the service of the greater good will go to any lengths to fulfil that greater good

[jagged sable]

I don't think even Albrecht believes he's righteous.
He did say he was haunted by his choices.

[cobalt scroll]

and he knows what he is doing to everyone rn is wrong, iirc from the scene during Fragmented boss

[abstract sorrel]

Albrecht needs to be stopped

Sooner or later

[cobalt scroll]

and when he do
Wally will get his finger back
Void War begins

[abstract sorrel]

Wally doesn’t have unfettered access to reality

He can only influence through those he has contacted

[cobalt scroll]

until he has his finger lmao

again, the finger is the keys to his total control of Khra, means history will bend to his knee if he ever got it back

[abstract sorrel]

He would have to escape the void first

[solid otter]

Albrecht hates what he has to do, but he knows it has to be done

[cobalt scroll]

with the finger, he can

again, again and AGAIN, it's the only thing that stopping him from entering the real world entirely

Albrecht has at least one of them and Wally want to get it

and for some reason, Wally want the OP too, hinting the relationship of the OP with the finger

[reef compass]

idk I would say Wally is already in the system due to the fingers and no Rell filtering anymore

[jagged sable]

And the fact he already appeared in Holvania

i mean, possessing neci

but still

[cobalt scroll]

not entirely, he only able to go into ppl mind if they shook a deal with him

[abstract sorrel]

There’s also still the Grineer and corpus

Luckily they are fracturing

[cobalt scroll]

and he being at 1999 because Neci is his host

[reef compass]

Baro did indeed and keeps bringing stuff from it yeah

[cobalt scroll]

the only thing that can enter freely is the Murmur

[scarlet ginkgo]

Tenno, I ask for help! Clearly my approach didn't work the first time, and I'd like to avoid having to reset their brains, what's the path of not screwing up?

[cobalt scroll]

oh I have never get this one

[reef compass]

I am starting to think something really weird
that the Void is only dangerous for people interacting with it, and due to how we have kept swelling it with stuff
specially after Triad talks

[scarlet ginkgo]

it's the recovery one, after getting Marie and Leon to convince him to hear you out one last time

[cobalt scroll]

maybe the last one?

[cobalt scroll]

recovery from what though

[scarlet ginkgo]

When you fail to make him accept himself

[cobalt scroll]

Ig I'm too good at this

[scarlet ginkgo]

I did every other KIM message, 1999 and xx99 well on the first try

this is the ONLY ONE i failed and i am so mad i can't brag now

but yeah, help, what's the good choice, I'm too much of a coward

[deft mist]

How do you reset the kim thing i effed up with marie

[reef compass]

its hard to put it with words
but specially after Herzog's ad it came to me
Albrecht might be just... chasing ghosts, this motivation, this white whale he keeps saying it exists

he sweeps everyone in his project, his drama, his everything and makes it more and more and more enormous

[deft mist]

So wally is his ego that is seperate from him?

[reef compass]

no one else in the origin system has this void drama, it's just the ones swept into it

[scarlet ginkgo]

The KIM emulators and flowchats show a value I simply have no way to track, thermostat

[reef compass]

think the Moby whale novel that i got kickbot annoyed at, he is dragging everyone into it

[solid otter]

High thermostat is good, low thermostat is bad

[deft mist]

And what we are the harpoon

[reef compass]

the Drifter is, indeed

[scarlet ginkgo]

so, I go with "make a difference"?

[deft mist]

Operator seems more to be the harpoon the drifter seems less happy about seeing other people dragged into it kinda like the first mate realizing albrects ego might sink the boat

[reef compass]

it's a way of speaking, at least I hoped that's what you meant, but everyone dragged by Albrecht is the Pequod staff

[scarlet ginkgo]

Ok, that was, indeed, the correct choice

[reef compass]

I dont mean offense to Herzog at all, but I saw this docummentary of his life and its quite incredible the lengths he went to make his dream movies

and it dragged so much people into it

and it's beautiful too how such a thing could pull forward

even with such hardships

so yeah, I am one currently believing that the buck will stop when Albrecht is stopped, not the Indifference itself

[deft mist]

Yeah

I dont think we are the ones to kill him though

Yet

[reef compass]

as much as I wanted to please Roathe telling him ||somehow, we will kill it|| the truth is, we can't but because it's the smoke, the mirrors, not saying there isn't an entity, but that the focus is wrong

see, to compare with Herzog once more

it's like we are focusing in stopping angry Klaus Kinski instead of Herzog

[deft mist]

We are trying to stop the symptom not the virus itself

[reef compass]

the thing is we are thinking Wally is the virus cause of invasion

[deft mist]

But albrecht experimented with the finger drawing it in

[reef compass]

exactly

he riled it, like Herzog for example with the tribes over there

and getting Kinski so annoyed and him of course with everyone up to the point even a tribesman offered to kill Kinski

and what did Herzog say? "no, I still need him for the movie"

[deft mist]

But giving it back everything that we took from it would ef up the entire universe because everything runs on the void warframes solar rails reliquary drives

[real niche]

That was just the Orokin in general so not entirely his fault there

[reef compass]

he started it cutting the finger accidentally and not accidentally keeping it

[deft mist]

True but his family is one in charge of the void pump the heart of deimos

[solid otter]

Which isnt directly related to the fingers

[deft mist]

Have we found the original finger?

[solid otter]

Its not like he didnt try to find wally after? He uh. Did do that. Wally never showed up

[real niche]

The original fingers, plural, are locked away somewhere from what Yonta says

[deft mist]

Hm

[cobalt scroll]

compare to other dating sims game, how hard is the KIM system?

[solid otter]

Dating sims aren't built to be failed tbh

[light oar]

Can roathe help reset a chat with Marie to be romanceable? I got her to best friends but she has no feelings towards character

Or do I have to do a complete reset on all of them?

[pastel pasture]

ONE. MORE. ARCANE

and 3 more to max buy but ONE MORE ARCANE

[thick cedar]

Holy shit [Lyon Kim spoilers] || Lyon has some sort of connection with the Man in the Wall. He mentioned something about a young man's voice and a.. rap tap tap.. || I actually got chills down my back reading that

[deft mist]

Rell

Rells frame is harrow same batch as lyon

To chains of harrow

[stray peak]

I'm so damn lost, [gonna be a lot of kim spoilers] || stuck at an impasse with roathe || , this is the second time this happens now, || the first time he told me he won't take any more of my day because i listened and didnt go further, but then i talked with lyon and he told me to go further, which i did and i battled him 21 times and then roathe sent me a bunch of VMs, which i listened to ||
then the next day,
|| we talked fine, about some stuff, and his memories, and then suddenly yesterday he screams at me "You fool! What have you done?!" keep in mind, i dont know what's wrong cause he put me back at anathema after that ||

and then || i decide to go back into descendia, maybe refresh the bug or something and start from lyon's sanctuary to the boss fight, and after that i get an honoria achievement saying i battled roathe 21 times, i decide, okay then maybe it's fixed now? ||
nope,
|| lyon messages me the day after, while im still anathema with roathe, and don't get a single thing from marie, and lyon starts the convo with "my friend, i will not take much of your time today." but the conversation wasn't really helpful||

i should mention that || roathe, before blocking me as anathema was demanding that i reset the timeline, but i told him no and that i will find another way to convince him, and he said goodluck and blocked my ass ||

[tight pagoda]

There's a bug right now

It's literally impossible to get the "Golden" ending where Roathe is redeemed and you try helping the family

No solution besides waiting

[stray peak]

please don't tell me i have to reset anything, im okay with waiting, as long as this bug doesn't destroy all my progress

[reef compass]

golden or not, my path isnt "redeemed" and cant either

[stray peak]

i really dont want to reset

[reef compass]

everyone is stuck

well your issue seems different though, but still, the KIM is really bugged with the Triad in various ways

[stray peak]

damn

[balmy storm]

Wait til DE is back in office for bug fixes

[latent aspen]

Second day in a row I get stuck in a conversation with ||Lyon. It has to do when I say I can't see he and Marie as the calm people out of battle, and in battle||, it just freezes and I have to relaunch warframe and get a whole different conversation. Anyone else having the issue?

[balmy storm]

Every time you restart the game you get a new convo

That part is just how KIM works

[latent aspen]

Yeah, but I can't make this conversation continue?

[balmy storm]

It may be bugged and you may have to just wait

[latent aspen]

That is more the issue, idc about having to start a new one lol

[balmy storm]

Unfortunately
This

[latent aspen]

When do they return to office? I am terrible with dates lol

[balmy storm]

I have all convos on and haven’t had any issues afaik, but that likely is just pushing back whatever bugged convos there are

[balmy storm]

I don’t have that info sorry ):

Probably next week

[latent aspen]

That's ok, wasn't sure if they mentioned it on stream when I was not watching or something

[balmy storm]

I imagine we’ll be getting bug fixes asap, possibly some tweaks and devstream at the end of the month to talk about the echoes update

[gray dagger]

WE'RE DATING
(couldn't take the screenshot since my bf logged in as me on playstation and I have Monster Hunter on my laptop, but WE'RE DATING)

[balmy storm]

I don’t think account sharing is allowed

[gray dagger]

no I mean, he signed into my account on his playstation

we're not sharing an account, dw

[balmy storm]

Oh like playstation account not wf account

[gray dagger]

yes

[balmy storm]

My bad lol

[maiden mural]

@worn fjord yeah I think I'm just having a progression bug with Roathe

[pine eagle]

clear memories?? we can do that??

[eager dagger]

You don’t need to wipe his memories he gets over it

[pine eagle]

ah okay- im trying to stay on his good side to romance him, thank u

[eager dagger]

Not a worry but I’d wait to romance him after DE start hotfxing again lots of problems with the chats

[pine eagle]

Yeah theres no option for it anyway, both in KIM and going to him in the cathedral

I think its still the main storyline(?) since I just did Descendia 21x

[eager dagger]

Yeap gotta wait now which isn’t bad both for story and hotfixes

[worn fjord]

Yea.. gotta wait till DE fixes that bug

[solid otter]

Its funny. You shouldn't be doing that. He likes it when you challenge him

Thats one of the ways to gain thermostat

[pine eagle]

off topic but i just realized, is that seafoodpie's optimus art? peak choice

[solid otter]

Along with judging him by his actions alone, not by being an orokin

[pine eagle]

Oh lmao okay

I thought it was funny that he got pissed and blocked me after doing descendia repeatedly

and then unblocked me the next day

[worn fjord]

Yupp!!! And yea their art is just cool isn’t it? Not many artists have drawn Optimus with anger + no mask, so this one stood out to me

[solid otter]

Its interesting to me that you need to do the exact opposite of what your instincts tell you to do when it comes to the triad. Folk agree with marie thinking it's a good idea, people judge roathe for being an orokin, folk are so impatient with Lyon, and you need to the exact opposite to that. They are written in the way that makes you want to do it the way you first think of, but that doesnt lead to anything but a failstate

[worn fjord]

Kinda makes it fun that way tbh

[solid otter]

Tbf tho, the marie one might just be DE knowing their fanbase and doing it to piss them off

Because it worked, more than once

[worn fjord]

Actually very possible

[pine eagle]

Agreed, I love their rendering technique!

[worn fjord]

Yeass!!!!

[solid otter]

-# I need to desperately get back into transformers, TFP rotted my brain as a kid and I should get back into it

[pine eagle]

Ngl I was locked in that I completely forgot Roathe is Orokin and wanted to romance him just because his VA is René Zagger

[solid otter]

Shit you not thats how I was first introduced to Yaoi. Transformers. Fanfic was introduced to me when I was. God. 12?

[worn fjord]

Take your time..! Just got back into re-reading comics in a more chronological order, and there’s just so much more in the comics compared to the movies. So much introspection

[pine eagle]

Yes.. come back :>

[solid otter]

I was introduced with my immortal so that certainly paved the way into things

[pine eagle]

I should def get into the comics

I've only been a show/movie watcher and model kit builder

[solid otter]

I was obsessed with the aligned continuity

[worn fjord]

Yes pls do

[hearty pendant]

somehow, this doesn't surprise me
-# nothing in regards to you, but transformers being the thing to introduce you

[worn fjord]

If you need a chronological reading list y’all I got one

Mostly it was thanks to one tumblr post and bunch of websites

[pine eagle]

Dw I got an entire google drive from the TikTok community with chronological order xD

[solid otter]

I watched Transformers one recently and I can definitely see where the writers took inspiration from the aligned continuity unless that. Wasn't. Unique to the TFP books lol

[solid otter]

I mean, its robots kissing or the horror that is "My immortal", take your pick

[worn fjord]

Haha glad to find someone else just as dedicated

[pine eagle]

Im pissed with how the marketing team screwed up TFO

we couldve gotten a trilogy

[solid otter]

It was not silly like a lot of people thought. It was nice.

[pine eagle]

its def not a kids movie just bcs it was animated

[worn fjord]

It’s not unique to the TFP books. Part of the film story is inspired from the comics

[worn fjord]

Same!!!! The marketing was horrible

[solid otter]

Mm. Good to know. Still, its nice to see lore i am somewhat familiar to. Cept in prime, Orion was a rando archivist iirc

[pine eagle]

I tried to make my orbiter into Starscream

[solid otter]

TFO had such a good execution of the two sides of rebellion tho. Shit was nice.

[pine eagle]

G1 colors specifically

[worn fjord]

In the comics, Orion is either a librarian/archivist or a police officer

[solid otter]

Police officer.

[worn fjord]

Yea definitely

[solid otter]

I... struggle to see it

[worn fjord]

Mmhmm I wish I could show a comic page here but it’s too off topic I guess

[pine eagle]

we finally got to see what Cybertron looked like and the relationship between Orion Pax and D16 before they became Optimus Prime and Megatron and the movie FLOPPED in the box office 😭💔

[worn fjord]

WAIT I LOVE THIS

Talking about TF and WF, didn’t Lavos Prime kinda remind you of Shockwave?

[solid otter]

God, ill forever be a tfp guy but its nice to see classic designs. A lot easier to draw imo 😭

[pine eagle]

AGREE

[worn fjord]

YES THANK YOU

[solid otter]

I get into the worst media when it comes to drawing

[worn fjord]

real

But I’m going to attempt it anyway

[solid otter]

Transformers (prime specifically), Doom, Warframe

[pine eagle]

cant even get to draw human anatomy right and here i am tryna draw transformers and warframes 🥀

[worn fjord]

so real lmao

oh it’s nice to talk about these two franchises together

[solid otter]

Drew loid a few days ago and I hate it. Loid isnt hard to draw, but the arm is pissing me off.

Thank you discord for not sending the image

[worn fjord]

Loid: “What’s wrong with my arm Drifter”

[pine eagle]

i should attempt to draw Lavos Prime, Shockwave and Dottore (genshin impact) into that spiderman pointing meme..

[worn fjord]

Ooh I’d love to see that! Tag me or dm it when you do finish it

[solid otter]

Id send it but I realised i left the more questionable parts in the cropped so I won't

[worn fjord]

now I’m more curious lmao

But fair enough

[pine eagle]

you two are now my moots and you cannot refuse this offer sends friend request

[solid otter]

If you looked at my bluesky you'd immediately know what I mean by questionable. Managed to post one to the wf subreddit tho without mods striking it

[worn fjord]

I was gonna say

[solid otter]

This is how you make friends chat

[worn fjord]

yes friendship 101

[pine eagle]

[pine eagle]

I cant send you a friend request bcs of ur settings 😭

[worn fjord]

same but it’s alr we can still be friends lol

[abstract heron]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[solid otter]

Rip hold on (art scammers, you know the deal)

[pine eagle]

Understandable lol

[solid otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[worn fjord]

[pine eagle]

[worn fjord]

anyways when you do get back into it, and you need the comics reading list lmk

[solid otter]

Mm, I'll let you know, honestly might start collecting

[worn fjord]

Ooh that’ll be fun— so many continuities, so many to choose from

[pine eagle]

comics are near impossible to find in my area unless i order online

I like building Gundam model kits though and the recent Transformers kits from Blokees

[worn fjord]

..real unless I’m not searching hard enough or something lol

[pine eagle]

Its making me want Warframe model kits too instead of figures...

[worn fjord]

GUNDAM

I actually have been thinking about getting into Gundam (not surprising ik)

[pine eagle]

I would LOVE to have a Nercamech model kit irl

[worn fjord]

real

[pine eagle]

the Warframe, Transformers, Gundam, J-Decker and Metal Cardbot pipeline is unavoidable

[worn fjord]

J-Decker mentioned too lmao this is so true

We should prob talk via DMs instead of spoiler chat lmao

[abstract sorrel]

I just realized

[pine eagle]

true- this isnt fully WF anymore

got carried away

[worn fjord]

‘‘twas fun while it lasted

[jagged sable]

Silly question, but do you guys think Roathe would keep his lunch down after an extended period of time spin-flying with Uriel's 1?
An extended period of time flying for him means an extended period of time spinning....And changing directions. I feel dizzy just imagining his POV.

[pine eagle]

I like to imagine hes a blender flying through the sky

[fading current]

Oh so this was super satisfying…
Arrow and Book go BRRRRRRR lmao

[pastel bison]

Massive Spoiler, Wally is Entrati

its loop, Wally Chases Entrati, so that Entrati goes mad eventually in the void to become wally

[split field]

Have you ever thought about... how proto-Dagath will be implemented?

[pastel bison]

ye we're going back to the wild wild west, Dagath is a Cowgirl Outlaw with a thick southern drawl

[split field]

Without face...

[pastel bison]

nah, since the head seems to stay intact for all proto's they wouldn't remove her face

but i wouldn't mind like an Eye-patch or like a bandana on one side to HINT at the lost of face

[split field]

Or a person with some problems, who can speak with sign language? For variety among of protos...

[pastel bison]

Sign Language would be interesting to see
Also thinking of some bandana like this. to hide the hole

Addintionally another proto i think would be with Dagath would be Mesa

to add more to the wild west theme

[solid otter]

Well it wouldn't be surprising to see if a helminth infestation would remove a jaw.

[pastel bison]

Cyte-09 would have been another good gun slinger to toss into the wild west time line

BUT ! I would like to offer up Ivara

Mesa could be the outlaw cowgirl

and Dagath and Ivara could be Native Americans

[split field]

This two/three ladies need a cowboy) Who it can be?

[pastel bison]

a Cow boy ? no but only other one i think could fit within a Western Timeline i think would be Limbo

Magic was big during western times

Limbo could be like a snake oil salesman

[split field]

😆

[uncut solar]

Dagath proto would have the same conundrum as Valkyr

Their original design isn't what we get at base

[pastel bison]

Also ! an Egyptian time line with Valkyr, Inaros, Dante, Baruuk

[uncut solar]

Dagath had that funky grin

[pastel bison]

OH Vauban could also have been in the wild west

100% has bounty hunter vibes

[split field]

I want a proto-team of silent agents, lol: Ash, Ivara, Loki (who can use invisibility) and even Octavia (like a funny hacker, for example, I don't know)

[zenith jacinth]

not a spoiler if it's just a baseless theory

[tame canopy]

well well well
I now know who roathe was in love with

I got marie and lyon to trusted, roathe was happy in the convo's end but is on liked

[split field]

And than they (Roathe ana Nitokh) decide to kill each other. Literally, mister and missis Smith, lol)

But "blue" version

[solid otter]

Mm. A toxic variant of Mortica and Gomez Addams.

Except i aspire to be like them. Id rather die than be like Roathe or Niktoh

[hazy locust]

Ehm has anyone here done this convo i need help

[tame canopy]

What happened lmao

[opaque dove]

I want to say Descendia considering the attack part. No clue beyond that

[hazy locust]

this happend so i send marie and lyon after him to give me one more chance

[mental ice]

Mental image of Roathe being pestered by Marie and Lyon like the witnesses tend to pester people

[hazy locust]

sounds about right

[cerulean kiln]

I actually think that is intended to happen

Assuming you don't actually fail at least

[languid heath]

If the Kuva Queens were Orokin, or at the very least old enough to have lived through the Old Peace, why don’t they reference Tau when seeing the Tenno?

Is it the cop out reason that they weren’t high ranking enough to know?

[hazy locust]

well i dont want to restart but lets see

[cerulean kiln]

You don't have to, trust me

[hazy locust]

thank you for your counsel it went well

[mental ice]

Loid cutscene still bugged, ye? Got everyone to best friend and works not, joy 🗿

[lofty girder]

i mean they were always known to be outcasts due to being twins

[languid heath]

It just feels like previous characters we've interacted with were not thought of when it comes to the Old Peace.

[lofty girder]

i mean the extent of information control the Orokin have is insane

they hid the existence of the Tenno

[languid heath]

I think the way I can accept/understand it is that every series has a magical handwave to try to dismiss my suspension of disbelief being challenged. Information control is this series's unobtanium/handwave.

[eager dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-hello-chat-hello-tenno-volt-gif-26796039

It’s a wonderful day to still be in anathema with Rothe but best friends with the other two

[eager dagger]

There’s a cut scene?

[zenith jacinth]

Have you considered beating up roach more

[eager dagger]

I beat up roaches any time I see them on site it’s violence

[zenith jacinth]

What kinda websites you going to that you find roaches

[eager dagger]

^^ 🫣

[mental ice]

Insert Adis singing
Fold and fry, fold and fry,
Stack the corn tortillas high,
All the hungry, bound to buy,
For that golden husk of corn.

🌮

[fierce kiln]

YOU MEAN TO TELL ME A SENTIENT FRIED THIS RICE?

[pastel pasture]

so i was lookin through KIM chat options

Arthur has explicitly stated he is against poly relationships

🤔

almost like the consent conversations were an afterthought to make it not cheating

[tight pagoda]

In this isolated context, it seems like he's just saying he's not into dating more than one person at a time, and is against the other person not knowing they're interested in someone who is already in a relationship, going behind their backs etc.

With the Triad, only the Drifter is dating two people, and presumably there was some form of communication so that the consent was mutual

[pastel pasture]

Triggered by showing interest in Arthur but then dating someone else

he gets a bit upset at you and accuses you of not actually liking the person you ended up dating

specifically after he gives you a rain check on dating him

[eager dagger]

This is amazing

[pastel pasture]

it is offical

I am DONE with blood of perita. all arcanes bought out

i shall miss the infinite argon machine

[deft mist]

I might have said some stuff about entrati to marie now shes angry

Lyons still great

[lavish dune]

Hey! This could have been asked before (possible spoilers so ill spoil it dunno) ||but I am dating roathe (confessed to him ) and after that he blocked me xD i did hear all VM i beat him up 21 times even bought the thing he sells with little badge is this a bug or what?|| Did I screw up or do I gotta wait descendia reset? (sorry if this has been asked before and thank you for answers in advance ^^)

[real niche]

Well if you did the fights then it's likely just bugged

[eager dagger]

I said it too- she’s angry for a day then says you were right

[lavish dune]

Mind you I only did last fight spamming, do I have to do it 21 times from lvl 1 or ?

[real niche]

No

[lavish dune]

I'll assume its a bug then thank you

[zenith jacinth]

huh?

[pastel pasture]

blood of perita alerts

[zenith jacinth]

you didn't even use the opportunity to farm rebellion materials??

[pastel pasture]

why would I?

perita rebellion isn't going anywhere

[zenith jacinth]

why not

[pastel pasture]

because I don't want to get sick of the brand new gamemode

[zenith jacinth]

other players are

more players=faster objective completion=more objectives=more resources

I get it tho

[pastel pasture]

funny joke

[zenith jacinth]

I farmed two strikes and I'm already at burnout

[pastel pasture]

more players=harder objectives=less objectives=less resources

solo=more objectives completed

[zenith jacinth]

I pity the people who farmed all 5 within like 2 days

[zenith jacinth]

the objectives don't get harder

[pastel pasture]

they do

[zenith jacinth]

more, maybe, but not harder

I personally consistently get more completed in random squads than solo

not much more but still

[pastel pasture]

pubs i hit a max of 8 objectives completed. never been over it

[hearty dove]

I’m of the same disposition. The Tauron strikes aren’t game changing enough for me to submit myself to a wage labor grind lol

[pastel pasture]

my first solo run i hit 7 and i was resouce farming, objectives were my secondary objective

[hearty dove]

And solo is faaaaar better for efficiency I’ve seen

[pastel pasture]

unless you have a full party of people who actually want to do orders, you are getting less then you'd get on solo

[hearty dove]

100%

[zenith jacinth]

I like the strikes, my issue is that I don't even like most of the schools

I picked my 2nd strike based on the honoria it gives me

[hearty dove]

Hahah, understandable

[pastel pasture]

do I do it? do i dare buy more warframe slots (this is fallout 4 style. all answers lead to yes)

[worn fjord]

same here— at first I was doing SP solo to just challenge myself but now I just kept doing it solo😂

I’ll try public and see how different it is (probably not by much but)

[pastel pasture]

I only need like...

[zenith jacinth]

yes

[pastel pasture]

63 warframe slots

[zenith jacinth]

buy slots until you have 100

just in case

[hearty dove]

How else are you gonna have and actively play every single frame and it’s prime in the game? Do it

[zenith jacinth]

at the same time?

[hearty dove]

AT THE SAME TIME

[balmy storm]

There’s over a hundred frames if you count prime

[pastel pasture]

i checked the market

[zenith jacinth]

let's give viktor a REAL nightmare

[pastel pasture]

i can only afford 23 slots 😔

[zenith jacinth]

if there's a prime the base gets excluded

the wall hungers

...would it technically be correct to call helminth wall of flesh

[worn fjord]

The base gets excluded but I can never subsume the ones I used for a long time. So I go through the trouble of creating another to subsume

[zenith jacinth]

I just don't subsume until there's a prime

[hearty dove]

You got a plat farm?

[zenith jacinth]

but once there is a prime, into the wall they go

[worn fjord]

yea true

[zenith jacinth]

sometimes I do it backwards, getting the prime first and then the base for MR and subsume

[pastel pasture]

my plat farm is waiting to get a 75% off

[worn fjord]

Me with Hildryn, Wukong and Chroma

[zenith jacinth]

so far I backwards farmed khora, grendel, gauss, baruuk, hildryn

[worn fjord]

Oh and Baruuk

[zenith jacinth]

I haven't even gotten the base for those except khora

[pastel pasture]

i got khora and khora prime at the same time

[zenith jacinth]

the world will end before I even get base wukong

[hearty dove]

lol valid. Do you have rank 5 in any syndicates?

[pastel pasture]

yes

[zenith jacinth]

I got khora while lvling khora prime

[pastel pasture]

im rank 5 in all main syndicates

[worn fjord]

I forgot how I got it honestly, it was just there in my foundry

[zenith jacinth]

base or prime

because base wukong is a dojo frame

[worn fjord]

Base

Oh righttt

Lmao

[pastel pasture]

i dont even know how to get khora normally

[zenith jacinth]

I just have a viceral hatred for wukong

[pastel pasture]

i got her via circuit.

[hearty dove]

There are so many things you can do for plat regularly. I sell Neutron Star from Steel Meridian like every other day for 10-12 plat

[zenith jacinth]

sanctuary onslaught

[pastel pasture]

ew

[worn fjord]

ESO I think

[zenith jacinth]

nah base

[pastel pasture]

elder scrolls online

[zenith jacinth]

ESO is for weapons

I have one lato vandal part from lvling adversary weapons

[pastel pasture]

im perrin the sequencepus and new loka

[worn fjord]

Got one recently!! I think it was the stock

[zenith jacinth]

ah, the communist capitalists and the uh. historical german copycats

perrin has achieved an impressive oxymoron

[hearty dove]

I’m pretty sure Gyre mods are offered by Perrin. Any popular frame rn will be in demand and easy to sell on WarframeMarket

[worn fjord]

I got R5 Steel Meridian, R5 Red Veil, R4 Hexis, R4 Suda and the other two hate me

[zenith jacinth]

same but r5 with all

veil only because I can profit from them

[hearty dove]

Oops wrong person replied to lol

[quick smelt]

I need to start leveling up more folk
I have been in Veil and Meridian for too long

I need those other augment mods

[worn fjord]

Past me wasn’t thinking when I switched to Steel Meridian at R4 with Suda🙂‍↕️

[zenith jacinth]

there will always be some out of your reach

[hearty dove]

I just buy the others with plat and keep selling in demand stuff from Red Veil/Steel Meridian

[zenith jacinth]

switch back

start balancing the standing

[worn fjord]

I will, once I clear out Red Veil items. I’m done with Steel Meridian

[zenith jacinth]

no, keep them at r5 too

[hearty dove]

Go sell Neutron Star. I’ve made like 150 plat in the last couple weeks playing very casually and as a pretty new player

The other awesome farm that’s so easy is Galvanized mods, especially Galvanized Elementalist

[zenith jacinth]

meridian is neutral to suda, so you can outpace the standing loss by doing meridian stuff

[worn fjord]

Yea it’s a balancing act

[zenith jacinth]

it's quite simple really

[worn fjord]

Will do

[hearty dove]

Again meager—10-12 plat per mod—but it’s so easy to just do an arbi and get 10 plat

[zenith jacinth]

that's underselling

severely

desired mods sell for 20 on average

[pastel pasture]

I think Helminth ate something....

[worn fjord]

I’m trying to figure out what it is

[frozen heart]

Im almost positive my chats are bugged. I got to the romance section of “spend some alone time.” With Lyon, but nobody is talking to me anymore including Lyon (it’s been like 5 days) and I’m wondering if I should wait for bug fix or if I should restart completely? Any suggestions?

[pastel pasture]

both 😎

wait until the bug is fixed then reset

[worn fjord]

Wait why would they have to reset after the bug is fixed tho

[pastel pasture]

to enjoy the unbugged triad chats

some bugs leave permanent effects

[worn fjord]

Damn I was hoping they’d be… temporary mistakes instead of permanent

[zenith jacinth]

is it anathema or offline no talking

[pastel pasture]

let's say Lyon is romancable at chat10.

Let's say Lyon has a bugged flag

you exhaust all Lyon chats

KIM chat is fixxed

4 new chats open up because of fix

you still miss out on all the exhausted chats that had a bugged flag

[frozen heart]

Tldr: Anathema for both Roathe and Marie.

Long version: Roathe was Anathema, so I did his boss fight 21 times, exhausted his voice messages, broke him out of it.

A few days after Marie went into anathema, a day or two after Marie, Roathe went back into anathema. Now Lyon is offline and hasn’t spoken to me, and neither have the other two in like 5 days.

I keep coming in here and asking, but folks tell me I’m bugged so I’m not quite sure what to do besides reset.

[zenith jacinth]

wait for a fix then reset

if all were offline I'd say you just exhausted the convos but anathema is failstate

[frozen heart]

Ok thank you. I’m not super up to date on things, is there an ETA on the fix?

[zenith jacinth]

no

DE is still on break so it might be a while

[fierce kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-card-shake-ii-ch2-gif-25887089

[prime badger]

I am trying to track down some voice lines from the Second Dream era. Tenshin speaking to the operator over coms, while the operator is running from/to something. It is I think shortly before Tenshin is taken out of story until appearing at Duviri (not including his specter at relays). Specifically he is talking to the operator about revelations he had or warnings about the man in the wall. I am having a heck of a time finding it in transcripts.

[simple osprey]

Coming back with this piece for those who dont know about it yet. How you can be stuck forever on Anathema with Roathe (with no clear ending)

[valid folio]

Oh he is so freaky

[shell palm]

He is

[valid folio]

This is how it played out for me

[valid folio]

I do like his reaction to when you romance Marie though, || he's teasing, jealous and also super protective of the relationship ||

He || tells you not to abuse her kindness or he'll break every bone in your body twice ||

[shell palm]

The man mentions wanting to date those two as well in one of his kim chats Roathe is poly and I know it, though I don't think they'd participate in a poly relationship with more than 2 partners tbh

[valid folio]

Every character you can date is OK with poly even if it seems out of character unfortunately

But Roathe, it's in character for him

There's a conversation where you can ask how he feels about drifter dating Marie and || he jokes asking if he can join for a threesome 😭😭 ||

I actually love him so much, he's such an entertaining character, too bad the whole thing is bugged for me and I can't get the outcome I want

[shell palm]

Show the convo?

[valid folio]

I'll see if I can find it for you

[lofty girder]

If he snaps a bone into 2 pieces, does he snap both again or only 1?

[valid folio]

@simple osprey BTW, I know it's bugged because

Because I have this conversation

Then the next day I have this

Then he goes into anathema

And like? How???

Not to mention, this conversation plays out best case scenario too

[simple osprey]

The order of dialogue is kinda broken. I could like two days ago, restart my game and switch between the "What have yo udone" and the text about Marie just by restarting.

[valid folio]

I really hope they fix it without it making us restart

[simple osprey]

If no dial appear for me today i will do a report with the screenshot to explain how to reproduce the error

[valid folio]

Because I don't plan on restarting, I spent enough days going through this and I'd be fine if I could play out all the texts in a day or two or only reset the character I wanted to reset, then I would but to reset and put all those texts again behind all those days, I'm good

[simple osprey]

But it's a clear possibility that :
1 - We are not supposed to have a second fail convo
2 - The fail state when ||not doing the 21 ||doesn't remove itself so we stuck in a loop
3 - The actual dialogue path when ||doing descendia late|| is broken

[valid folio]

Idk how you can || do the descendia late, I did it when Lyon told me to ||

[simple osprey]

Yeah that's the point. Something break at this point

[valid folio]

Well nonetheless, thanks for your hard work in getting this fixed because it's killed my mood for a bit

It's also why I'm hoping they give us more XX99 content because for there to be so little and it to bug out as well is just a buzzkill

I just want more content and cutscenes with the triad to flesh them out more like how you have plenty of cutscenes and chats with the Hex

I want my Hex scale update for XX99 😤

[gleaming zenith]

Yeah we have spoke about this last night and theres forum posts about it, its annoying

|| its supposed to initiate a lyon convo but just doesnt ||

[simple osprey]

Because we already had it. Or there is also a possibility that the Right fail state is not trigger (even after fixing that)

[gleaming zenith]

|| thats why it goes into anathema, cus ur supposed to talk to lyon and marie and then you can talk again ||

[gleaming zenith]

|| we dont know atm, theres people that havent had the convo and still arent getting it, theres people that are at best friend rank, theres people who arent on anathema ||

|| the lyon convo just isnt triggering/retriggering, which is the issue ||

[simple osprey]

||there is a precise failstate which trigger the discussion about the serum. let me get you a pic about it. I suppose it should be this one||

[gleaming zenith]

|| i know, ive checked the flow charts and stuff, it has triggered for some people already but goes down a different route as you havent had the roathe conversation yet, but its not replaying as intended so u cant continue/progress ||

[simple osprey]

||I suppose it is because we already had a failstate with Lyon by not doing the descendia 21 times before. Which could block the way into having the second fail state and also the failstate for this case not triggered at the end of dialogue "What have you done" and only bring you to the back to the dialogue fail of lyon||

[gleaming zenith]

||i mean, if u go down the one route in the "what have you done" convo, its supposed to Initiate conversation LyonRoatheFail in /Lotus/Types/Gameplay/1999Wf/Dialogue/LyonDialogue_rom.dialogue but just doesnt, it isnt because you have had the convo before, as theres people that havent had that conversation, its just not triggering at all||

|| theres already multiple open forum posts about this happening, and im gonna assume its bugged as its supposed to initiate a convo but just doesnt, so we will just have to wait til DE sais something sadly ||

[simple osprey]

||Just to say there is multiple possibility why it doesnt work : Dialogue of him thanking trigger the failstate which then indicate in the LyonRoatheFail the dialogue to do. But in the next case we dont have any RoathFail put as true. so no conv.||

Yup we can only wait

[gleaming zenith]

hopefully it gets noticed soone rather than later, but idk if DE is still on holiday or such atm

it is currently the weekend tho so :>

[worn fjord]

This reminds me of the convo with Lyon talking about Roathe

“It is my theory he procured the illicit goods to goad Marie into conversations with him. And, perhaps, because they made her smile, when she thought he was not looking. Once, he said to me ‘it is a great fault of fate that she has been so deprived of life.’”

Just picturing Roathe getting all the sweets in order to goad Marie into talking to him

[valid folio]

MY HEART 💔💔

[valid folio]

You can cheer Marie up saying that they should get pastries and she does say she wants to include Roathe as well when they get some and I love it so much

[worn fjord]

And the “perhaps because they made her smile” aghhh so wholesome

[worn fjord]

Yea I did that convo!!!

[valid folio]

This is another reason why I want more XX99 content, the dynamic between the triad is so sweet

I love them so much

[worn fjord]

Yea same. At this point, I just want more content on Triad, Hex and all the current protoframes instead of more new protoframes

[valid folio]

SAME (totally not me only saying this because I finally got the proto for my favourite frame)

[worn fjord]

I want to guess hmmm is it Volt? Or Trinity?

[valid folio]

Wisssppp

I love wisp so much

[worn fjord]

Oh!! Yea Wisp is awesome!!

I remember when Wisp was first released, such versatile abilities, and used Wisp so often back then and now

[valid folio]

Randoms love me because I run a 416% ability strength wisp and my motes start off really strong

[worn fjord]

416! Nice

[valid folio]

But wisp is my main and I told myself I'll wait for a wisp proto before I date any proto in the game, I'm so glad I waited

[worn fjord]

Ha well my mains change over the years. But I always come back to Oberon, Harrow, Gauss and recently Baruuk. Oh and Uriel lol

[valid folio]

But I will admit, I'm only saying I want to get more content for the current roster of protos before anymore because I got the proto I wanted.

BUT all that bias aside I still agree with the more content for existing characters before more because they've managed to make the most recent so loveable yet so bare

[civic ore]

wisp was my main till dante came

[worn fjord]

Don’t think we’ll get a Gauss since we already got a speedster but yay Harrow

[valid folio]

I'm building a Dante but wisp is my main main - I've invested a load of plat into building her and any other frame, I'll just work for (because I'm not too interested in whether I accomplish building them or not) - anything for wisp, I'll buy outright

[worn fjord]

Yea definitely prefer more for what we currently have

[valid folio]

I want a XX99 tileset like hollvania has

[worn fjord]

One day

[valid folio]

And I guess I just want more cutscenes with them, even better if they're changed to accommodate romances

[worn fjord]

I’d love that too. No matter how long it takes for DE to do so

[balmy storm]

I kinda doubt we’ll get that since 1899 doesn’t seem to have issues relevant to us

[worn fjord]

Unless Wally goes but yea..you’re right, I doubt Wally would go there

[valid folio]

And the thing is, even if Wisp wasn't my favourite frame, I still really like Marie as a character, she is a really well written character

[balmy storm]

I mean he has access in theory but even if he went there idk what we’d do

[valid folio]

I guess but I still want the triad if no time period stuff

[balmy storm]

We went to 1999 to find Albrecht
We stayed to help the Hex cause their situation warranted us staying
1899 does not

[balmy storm]

I do hope the triad will appear (and hopefully the other hex again to some degree) in a quest or something

[valid folio]

Being English, I'd like the renaissance era aesthetic to be developed on in wf they did so well with 1999 stuff it felt so nostalgic despite it being almost completely different

[balmy storm]

The triad came with the time issue solved so they’re more likely to be in physically present for this or a future arc

[worn fjord]

It is interesting tho that Lyon mentioned this in one of his convos..

“But in passing through that veil of time, my friends, my brothers.. the trees whose roots wove through my soul so closely... withered and died beside me.”

I wonder if it might focus on it? If we do go there.

[valid folio]

Also wouldn't it be further back than 1899

Like 1599-1799

[balmy storm]

No

Most evidence points towards 1899 rather than any other year

[worn fjord]

Nah it is 1899. Just that their 1899 is different from irl 1899

[balmy storm]

They mention some tech that just did not exist in 1799 lol

[valid folio]

Yes but time in this game can be effected by the void no?

[balmy storm]

What?

The void isn’t mixing things up in time

[worn fjord]

You mean the Indifference and their impact on the timeline or?

[balmy storm]

Like they call it xx99 but that’s to be mysterious, they even had promotional material that said 1899 lol

[worn fjord]

Yea and I think for the reset screen, it mentioned Triad from 1899

[valid folio]

Well OK, if there's promotional stuff and explicit statements that it's the case, I concede

[worn fjord]

Idk if they removed that

[valid folio]

Alright, I didn't know that, thanks for clarifying

[worn fjord]

But I saw a pic on Discord here

[balmy storm]

It used to in promotional material yes

It was removed to be mysterious

[worn fjord]

Ah that was the one? I see

[balmy storm]

Nothing in game says 1899 but we can piece it together from the evidence
Which I can not get atm so please believe me-

[valid folio]

Anywho, I want more triad content

[valid folio]

I believe you both, if it's in promotional stuff regardless of in universe, case is most likely that it's 1899

[haughty shuttle]

why do i have the feeling that i messed up with her ?

[worn fjord]

Nah this is good

[valid folio]

Can I show you the flowchart to this conversation?

[worn fjord]

She needed to hear that

[balmy storm]

Agreed!

[haughty shuttle]

i would love too ^^ roathe's too if you can

[balmy storm]

I’m hoping with the echoes update we can get some new chats

[balmy storm]

Though I do hope they get a new writer in for future chats, or maybe just new protos for consistency

[valid folio]

This image is all I could get into one image, it's still more hidden

[haughty shuttle]

i think they will its " too" early like they did in the hexagone

[worn fjord]

Like a second writer to help with workload or?

[balmy storm]

Lmao hexagon

[valid folio]

@haughty shuttle

But I think the main reason I wanted to show you is that it only seems you went wrong - it's scripted to end in anger because she's currently furious and heated, it's ok - you haven't thrown everything in the bin. I had the same outcome of this conversation and I've romanced her so dw

[balmy storm]

That or just an entirely new one

Though again that’s likely best for a new group

Whoever wrote the consent convos and decided on how that’s how it should work should maybe take a backseat cause yikes

[valid folio]

My only grievance with the writing is the poly consent conversations

Yeaahhhh

Exactly that

[worn fjord]

Oh yea that’s true… the consent convos are.. lacking

But other than that the convos have been good

[valid folio]

I just hope it doesn't come to a point where there's like a gajillion separate proto groups and you just build a harem at that point because everyone is unrealistically accepting of polyamory. Not that I have a problem with it, it's more or less that it seems out of character for so many characters and for them ALL to be accepting feels forced

[worn fjord]

true, if it comes to that point, it’ll feel really forced

[balmy storm]

So good-

[valid folio]

And MAINLY that instead of asking consent before sealing the deal, which is more plausible for them to be accepting of which you can still do. You can have the consent conversation AFTERWARDS and they're still accepting

I think Eleanor's is reasonable because she can actually see your intention, so you can't exactly lie to her, Roathe is orokin and he specifically says that poly is a common thing in orokin culture but i.e Arthur's conversation starts literally with the MOST used line ever when someone cheats "I've got feelings for someone else but it doesn't mean I love you any less"

[worn fjord]

If I remember correctly, that line is used for almost all the consent convos🙂‍↕️

[valid folio]

Yeaahhh....

[worn fjord]

It’s interesting that the Drifter never outright asks them do you want to be in a poly relationship

Unless I’m misremembering

[valid folio]

It's "I like this person and I like you too" some do say that they'd like to meet the other

[misty veldt]

I hope they do group chats with that so they can properly meet since the kim system is right there

[valid folio]

I guess they could yeah

[solid otter]

Remember! Lettie has previously been against 'swinging'.

The kim writers do not read their own words.

[valid folio]

That's one of the people I expected to be against it too

[solid otter]

Realistically i could see poly happening with Quincy and Eleanor, and like. Thats it.

[valid folio]

Roathe tho too, right?

[solid otter]

Mm, makes sense for the orokin

Iirc its odd for an orokin to actually be monogamous lol

Maybe that's why they hated Albrecht...
-# this is kinda apart of it? Roathe hated Albrecht from the start, one of the reasons being that he was so closed off and not exposed

Still funny as shit to me that Albrecht just kidnapped Roathe's ass

Why is he like that

[jagged sable]

imho, I think the swinging bit is more
"Whoa, wait. You're dating that's basically family to me. I feel uncomfortable with being confessed to like that."
I don't know if that was the writers' intention at the time tho. I could be wrong.

[solid otter]

Ehh, id usually agree but she just kinda brings it up, in this side at least. It reads as a general thing, not towards only the hex

Like Amir is mentioned but its not in the way where it's suggesting Amir come in a joins

[plush thicket]

anyone knows how to fix the marie anathema bug :((

[balmy storm]

Wait till DE is back on office

[undone lodge]

I can see Arthur and Aoi be willing to like, try it out after talking it over

But like, a KIM confession length convo

[fierce kiln]

would be funny if they had even more specific reactions if you date roathe

[feral lintel]

out of curiousity, i havent had any new KIM dialogue with the triad since roathe said "it'll take time" is there some eta or is this a bug at this point? its been 3 or 4 days iirc

i would've loved to see the conclusion before life hits me in the face with a brick in a few days

[mental ice]

You guys (and gals) think we will get more proto frames or will DE not bloat their game with too many voice actors and NPC's to handle for quality assurance?

[feral lintel]

they could do some in-house

like Valkyr's screams are Megan's

Megan could voice Valkyr Proto

[mental ice]

that is very true

still, if they add too many protos, imagine the content, for example devil triad members have 'dates' wile hex have not, but on the other hand, hex members move to backroom, while the devil triad stay where they are. This creates the problem of: which protos have more content than the others

[feral lintel]

but as long we are on the road towards Albrecht, i would assume we'll find some more protos on the way

also the entire consent stuff

[mental ice]

that too

[feral lintel]

I would assume if they do more, its again non-romanceable

but people will probably cry about it

[mental ice]

60+ NPC's is going to be hard to handle for DE 🤔

so far we have 13 protos

[feral lintel]

cyberpunk warframe setting when

Grendel is a mukbang streamer, Gauss a speedrunner, Yareli a vtuber

[mental ice]

heh, also some frames are hard to make into protos (Dagath with her face or lack thereof, Xaku unless he's like Michael Jackson falling apart)

[feral lintel]

also the fact on how some protos just dont work

how would you do grendel, who has a literal gaping maw as his stomach?

Proto Oraxia - will it sprout infested legs?

Proto Nidus - Straight up overrun with infestation

[mental ice]

Proto oraxia is doable 🤔 same with nidus, but Jade?

[feral lintel]

that'd just be messed up

[hearty pendant]

the faces tend to not be affected, though. a dagath proto would probably be fine
imo a xaku proto would be most interesting. they're a good choice to show the 'body horror' aspect of being turned into a warframe

[mental ice]

but xaku literally falls apart 😅 that would be creepy

[feral lintel]

how would proto xaku even work, as its void that picked up random bits and pieces

[mental ice]

Proto Xaku: Let's glue a human together

[feral lintel]

then what about the skeleton form?

[undone lodge]

Like a normal proto but every movement feels like they have hyper arthritis

[uncut solar]

And body parts fall off

[mental ice]

so like michael jackson...

[hearty pendant]

the skin becomes a somewhat removeable shell
is the best way i can think of to describe it
the point would be that they're not doing too great

[mental ice]

nose falls off and stuff

[feral lintel]

Proto Xaku hears about how there's a skeleton under their skin and just pops off

[undone lodge]

On the bright side passing a ball through on the court has never been easier

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-running-past-gif-3044631603201692058

[mental ice]

I hope we get a protoframe that is eternally angry at everything and everyone, like ember or valky, that wants to set everything on fire. A mirage proto would be fun too, kind of like crazy harley quinn

[feral lintel]

only if we get bozo the clownframe

[mental ice]

Ronald McDonald fashion is possible already 🤣

for drifter / operator 🤣

No proto Voruna tho, that would be just furry :<

[feral lintel]

a D&D setting of characters

Oberon - Paladin

[mental ice]

Octavia - Bard

[feral lintel]

Ivara - Rogue

[mental ice]

Nekros - Necromancer

[feral lintel]

i mean, Eleanor does speak of a Loxley in one of her dialogues

[mental ice]

true 🤔

[mental ice]

Maybe we will get ivara proto then

or loki...that frame could use some love xD

[uncut solar]

Ranger

So easily forgotten, as always

[feral lintel]

Loki is more forgotten

[mental ice]

Haven't seen a loki player in forever in game 🤣

[feral lintel]

Loki already has a proto since the hex, but everyone forgotten him

[uncut solar]

She even has volley shots like Hunter subclass

[mental ice]

He's just invisible

[uncut solar]

And navigator fits that theme

Loki is the rogue

[mental ice]

Knowing Albrecht handing out serum like candies, it is possible there will be many more protos

[uncut solar]

Knowing DE making lots of money from protos, it is possible there will be many more protos

[feral lintel]

ima be real, when i saw neci for the first time i was like "That is 100% saryn"

little did we know

[uncut solar]

Believe me

I think almost everyone did when she was first shown

[solid otter]

School i assume? You poor american 😭 your school year is stupid

[feral lintel]

nope. surgery.

[solid otter]

Holy shit??

[mental ice]

She had that 'toxic vibe' so no wonder people thought Neci would be Saryn...well, she can still be injected with the serum for saryn batch 🤷‍♂️

[solid otter]

Aligned with the American school year

[feral lintel]

im from EU tho

[uncut solar]

Everyone knows Neci is proto Oraxia

[feral lintel]

in a sense, she really could be

[solid otter]

Its just a funny thing i noticed is all

[uncut solar]

Good luck out there

[last siren]

is it just me or is whispers in the walls broken

[feral lintel]

thanks

[solid otter]

I do think DE will probably stop making protos (god please stop)

[last siren]

nooo i need to see proto mirage

[feral lintel]

i dont mind more protos, but after a while they get stale

[mental ice]

they will either stop because it will be too much to handle later or not because money is good from geminis

[uncut solar]

I hope so, but everyone keeps talking about it and they definitely sell well. I feel like it'll take a while for them to stop

[solid otter]

Mhm. Broken. You might’ve even been... think softlocked?

[feral lintel]

also, hot take, they are hard to make look good

[warm sparrow]

hey peeps, is there some kind of cutscene for bringing Loid up to the family or anything like that, or is it like a "stay tuned" situation?

[last siren]

[uncut solar]

Yes there's a cutscene

[mental ice]

DE tends to not release everything for every frame (Not every frame has voidshell, we still don't have many prex cards etc.)

[solid otter]

Theres a cutscene, but you're not missing out on much

[warm sparrow]

😮

[uncut solar]

To be fair, void shell didn't have this much noise around it

[solid otter]

Other than Roathe missing his loincloth for some reason

[warm sparrow]

I have everyone at best friend so I look forward to it, just didn't wanna get blueballed lol

[feral lintel]

I would've interacted with voidshell more if it used the prime details too

[uncut solar]

But with protos? Everywhere it's "hey I want proto of this, I want proto of that"

[solid otter]

Its nice to see that people actually want to get loid back with the family

[mental ice]

True, it was quite hyped, but it wasn't that good

[last siren]

i personally liek the devil's triad way more than the hex as characters. idk for some reason the hex characters are just so....eh??

[feral lintel]

voidshell being a wonky base-frame asset felt eh to me

[uncut solar]

Protos are everywhere, they took over public consciousness

[last siren]

i cant find anything appealing abt the hex gang, and amir especially makes me angry

[solid otter]

The hex are easy. They're easy to figure out and there's no way to mess up their chats.

[mental ice]

Loid, as much as I dislike his character, should definitely go up to the entrati family

[uncut solar]

I prefer my faceless murder machines thank you very much

[solid otter]

RIGHT OH MY FOD???

[warm sparrow]

voidshell could cost more but be usable on any skin, probably would have exponentially increased the sales on them

[solid otter]

Idk if its his voice, or the slightly stereotypical adhd person or whatever

He just makes me really annoyed, and not like how Marie did in that argument

[mental ice]

Lol, I find Amir amusing, he is nerdy like a little brother who had too much coffee

[last siren]

its BOTH for me 😭 hes such a horrible representation imho. he feels so flanderized and like. suited towards a hyper specific audience
people who enjoy characters with a single word tht describes them rather than like. an actual real character

[warm sparrow]

what's wrong with Loid 🙁 he's like our space uncle

[last siren]

loid is awesome

we r talking abt amir

[warm sparrow]

towards Ezir

[mental ice]

I find loid extremely whiny... dunno if it's me, but his behavior and way he speaks clash so much with me, I guess it's personality thing 😅

[solid otter]

Well he has Adhd, i think that was confirmed somewhere? And ususally, Coffee or caffeine in general slows them down. Thats like. Why folk w adhd take stimulants as medication. Its just a boring overdone and bad representation of Adhd

[last siren]

the only thing i dont fw abt loid is his eyes...theyre..way too big for me imho

[uncut solar]

The discourse about to be reignited

[solid otter]

Yeah i can see it

[warm sparrow]

well his man left him and he was doing his busy work the entire time before 1999, valid crashout

[solid otter]

His man didn't break up w him, they just needed to go long distance smh

[last siren]

amir just feels like what chat gpt wouldve generated if u asked it to make a warframe character with adhd 😭

[real niche]

I mean even if he didn't have ADHD he's just really annoying.

[mental ice]

yep, that, but I still like him, mostly because of his passion about playing games with others, hooking them up into more relaxed activities and etc. I like this part about him, that even in the face of all the techrot, he tries to ease up atmosphere even if he personally suffers

[warm sparrow]

like literally left him, not relationship left him 😂

[solid otter]

It feels really disappointing because DE did so well with Rell, and actually treating autism like how it is (a disability), but when it comes to adhd, something that absolutely disables people, they treat it like that

[uncut solar]

Amir is talking like he's a 14 year old, that's my only takeaway. Adhd representation and everything else aside

[real niche]

His whole Cephalon arc in the KIM chats made me want to rip my hair out

[last siren]

yeah, i wish i could like him, he seems like a character i wouldve rly enjoyed bc i love funny sunshine characters but to him i feel like im looking at a parody. like someone showing a graph to me and being like "this. this is what you look like to us non-adhd people. see how annoying you are?"

[last siren]

exactly :(( rell is just perfect

[feral lintel]

i mean, keep in mind 1337speak was a thing back then, and Amir is the only one not tainted by ever being in a war, that's why he acts so much different than the rest

[uncut solar]

Well can't always be perfect

[uncut solar]

I feel like it doesn't mean he have to talk like a kid on the internet

[mental ice]

yeah, if you see him via the ADHD, he does come off as bad representation. I mean, he deflects A LOT with his quirkiness and humor, because compared to others, he wasn't trained, he can't handle the mental pressure of it

[last siren]

his speak is worse than the homestuck trolls chatting on pesterchum 😭

[uncut solar]

Deep cut, oof

[solid otter]

I wouldve liked instead of the hyperactive symptoms found in usually children, they chose to do the adult presentation of the attention deficit symptoms

[last siren]

lmao it had to be said

[uncut solar]

We need protos with typing quirks

[last siren]

yeah exactly, this is like a late 20s-early 30s year old guy in a freaking military background 😭

[solid otter]

Do. Do we even see Amir struggle with executive dysfunction

[real niche]

There's like, him making his game ig

[solid otter]

You know. The thing that makes shit hard for folk w adhd 😭

[last siren]

maybe when they were tryna disable tht bomb thingie but thts abt it

[amber terrace]

Is it just me or did DE get rid of the Duviri fragments in the codex?

[mental ice]

I guess no character is bad in warframe, they most represent different people, not everyone is going to love everyone 😄 I know people love loid and quincy but for me I can't stand either 🤣 but I am pretty sure I like people who people dislike too, so that's fine. We can all collectively agree that we all hate Ballas tho.

[last siren]

Oh my god dont even get me started with quincy as a jamaican 😭😭😭

[solid otter]

Oh so thats probably why it doesn't feel seriously done or treated like a disability.

They got rid of the disabling aspect.

I actually dont know whats worse

[uncut solar]

Waiting for Proto Voruna to obliterate people with uwu speak

[mental ice]

I think DE sometimes tries a tad too hard with including the disabilities etc. in the game 🤔

[uncut solar]

Idk, it is not really that forced

Amir is really the only questionable example

[solid otter]

I think we have a total of 4 people wdym 😭

[mental ice]

Yeah, but at some point we might end up with full encyclopedia of disabled NPC's 😅

[uncut solar]

You're reaching it

[solid otter]

Unless you count being pregnant as disabled

[real niche]

It didn't really feel like they tried. Frankly, Marie and Amir rub me wrong for the same reasons just due to their almost comical levels of ignorance through most of the chats.

[uncut solar]

Really reaching it

[solid otter]

....name them

[real niche]

Alright buddy.

[solid otter]

Name the whole list of disabled npcs.

We have Marie, Amir i guess, Rell... who else?

[mental ice]

ADHD - Amir, Autims - Rell, Amputee - Marie, Insane - Mirage, Burn victim - Ember, Anger issues - Rhino

[solid otter]

You could count the grineer i guess

[real niche]

The rest of the Hex I think were fine, even if Aoi was a bit much on the positivity side at first.

[tight pagoda]

Quincy is also missing an arm

Or both

[uncut solar]

What are you even talking about by now

[solid otter]

... buddy.

Anger issues isnt a disability.

[uncut solar]

Are you just ragebaiting

Or trolling or whatever is the modern word

[solid otter]

Thats a mental health concern yes, but its usually not something that is disabling

[tight pagoda]

And even if it was... so?

[mental ice]

Uncontrollable anger issues? yeah it is, but yeah, not a disability I guess 🤔 that one was reaching too far

[solid otter]

I could see insanity, burn victim, maybe?

And how many npcs do we have now

All up, how many do we have?

[mental ice]

Regardless, there's whole collection of those in warframe, which is what I meant at some point we will go through whole encyclopedia of them

[uncut solar]

You're talking like it's a problem

[mental ice]

Nah, it's not

[uncut solar]

Even though it isn't even the case

[real niche]

Like, 4.

[uncut solar]

Like it's an entirely manufactured thing you're talking about

[solid otter]

Yeah i kinda like being represented by warframe characters thank youp

[tight pagoda]

Biggest nonissue ever

[solid otter]

Too bad its Marie.

Or, wheelchair user at least. I aint no amputee thankfully

[tight pagoda]

Oh another disability, being British

[real niche]

Marie, Rell, Margulis... That's like it. All the Warframes are insane anyway so that's whatever.

[mental ice]

Who said I even thought it is an issue or that I complained about it? 😅 I am just pointing out DE definitely goes through whole list of disabilities

[quick smelt]

Being British
Being French
You know the usual

[uncut solar]

I don't want to be represented, I want my existence purged from all documents and people refer to me as the unseen one

And make sacrifices to me

[tight pagoda]

Quincy is also an amputee! I believe his arms were blown off in combat.

[solid otter]

Oh, and Autism. Sometimes I forget that it's just not a joke and hurts me sometimes

[solid otter]

Oh hells yeah

[mental ice]

Rell was awesomely represented, they did great job with autism there

[tight pagoda]

Not sure if there's a chat about it but you can see he's missing one, concept art implies he's missing both

[solid otter]

I like that a lot

Waiting patiently for a hidden disability to be shown

[uncut solar]

Tbh you can see it on the model. It's the same prosthetic on both hands