spoiler-chat

[solid otter]

I mean. Its that or he just did it

[loud dock]

not the first time that a frame is basically lost to history

[solid otter]

Because it happened regardless

[zenith jacinth]

2nd or 3rd time now

[cerulean kiln]

Actually in a 3 for 3 against vote shouldn’t that automatically fail because it wasn’t unanimous even with an extra vote?

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, seems like 4th is deciding

[loud dock]

also we gotta note that those extra uriels were feral as HELL if they're not being actively controlled by a tenno to be literally bound in place by the sentients as an example

[abstract sorrel]

He could’ve, but that risks drawing Nitokh’s anger, and if what Roathe says is true, she does not seem like someone even Ballas would want to cross

[cerulean kiln]

Is this Deadlock Protocol level voting?

[loud dock]

like adis comments on the bound uriel like "it deserves it!"

gestures at the
"rhino prime eating a man alive" horror story

[abstract sorrel]

Probably because Roathe’s men slaughtered Sentients

[zenith jacinth]

If she was around for it

[abstract sorrel]

We have no reason to believe she did not make it all the way up until the Night of the Naga Drums

After that is iffy

[zenith jacinth]

Again, she bolted when roach disappeared

[loud dock]

yeah - and make a ton of that batallion creatures into superpowered, bio-engineered apex predators
they were probably still ravaging the sentient population to a degree given that the point of the treaty was to provide some stability and peace

[abstract sorrel]

And yet we hear of no executor taking her place

Nihil is confirmed as not having been one

[loud dock]

huh- no nihil was an executor but he was before ballas ever came to power

[abstract sorrel]

And I doubt they could do anything to Nitokh without approval from the Emperors

[abstract sorrel]

He was not. Him being an executor was retconned by DE

[loud dock]

oh it was now?

[abstract sorrel]

Yes

[loud dock]

ah

[zenith jacinth]

And presumably never intended

[loud dock]

tbh yeah that does make more sense to have retconned it out because of how the jade light was uhm

literally from jade

[zenith jacinth]

No

Jade light existed before jade

[abstract sorrel]

Jade Light wasn’t invented by Nihil

That was glassing, he did Cephalons

[zenith jacinth]

And that yea

[zenith jacinth]

Well. Yes. She fled. She didn't get killed

[abstract sorrel]

If she never reappeared then she may well actually be alive

IF the Tenno never found her

They were hunting down Orokin for a while I have to assume

[loud dock]

(in before she's a garuda protoframe /j)

[zenith jacinth]

Yes but that's an unimportant argument

[abstract sorrel]

I pray not for the sake of my platinum wallet.

I’m down thousands of platinum from these skins.

[zenith jacinth]

They're setting her up to reappear in the future for sure

[loud dock]

roathe does talk about her a LOOOOOT.

like, we get a ton of detail and the comparisons to "she's just as bad or if not worse than ballas became"

[abstract sorrel]

Which confuses me as to what that will mean if she reappears

We already had the whole Orokin attempt to reconquer the system arc

Though that was successful on Ballas’ part, to be fair.

[loud dock]

i feel like she'll be relevant to tau
and also maybe tie in why pazuul is just bloodhungry for everything

[abstract sorrel]

[loud dock]

something something, hiding rat ready to re-appear now that the sentients are kind of disarrayed

[feral lintel]

i ever so slightly started mulling about something.

How exactly were frames made, we know its the helminth virus, but what decided that one frame becomes a mushroom, the other becomes a cutesy skateboard girlboss, yet another one a walking demon core.

I would assume before injecting volunteers with the helminth, the Helminth DNA is tinkered with

[loud dock]

well yeah
confirmed with the note frames are purpose built

[feral lintel]

Ballas is a freak.

[loud dock]

he is

[feral lintel]

we need a mushroom frame that can shrink down into a caked up shroomling

[loud dock]

it's socially acceptable to bed down a warframe over a dax 💀

that's still pretty much the best TLDR of how freaked out the Orokin were

[feral lintel]

You think they have a Helminth Prime for prime frames?

or actually had

makes you ponder what kinds of frames we have yet to see

you look at anything and you an go "i can make a frame out of that"

[fierce kiln]

ballas was on some good shrooms when he came up with that for sure

[zenith jacinth]

Actually it's implied that nokko wasn't made as he is now

[pastel pasture]

Ballas left Nokko in the fridge for too long and he grew mushrooms

[feral lintel]

i mean, its hard to tell if it is so, because he's only ever described as a "kid"

which makes sense, as he's also yareli's little brother

[pure merlin]

He was made to feel like Yareli's brother, that was his "theme" when they made him, but he's not actually her brother

[cerulean kiln]

He isn’t

[feral lintel]

well, at least "envisioned"

hence the idle anims

[cerulean kiln]

It's more they're Brother Sister like than actually related

[feral lintel]

kinda like marie and lyon, they mostly use church-titles

but "Little brother" makes sense as Nightcap sees Nokko as a "kid" in the Prince lorebits

[pastel pasture]

So fellas. it's 2026 and DE will start putting out patches again

let's all bid farewell to the bugged triad teleport menu

So Operator has a "name" Drifter should get one too

[shadow forum]

When

[cerulean kiln]

All “names” are shared between them except the names Drifter and Operator

[pastel pasture]

I really feel like Ayatan refers to the Operator given release times

despite the fact nobody ever calls them that

[cerulean kiln]

It also refers to Drifter now too

They do share the same body for the most part

[undone lodge]

Nah it probably doesn’t

Ayatan is the name specifically given to the Operator as an individual

The Drifter, being a separate individual despite being the “same” person initially, would be seen as someone else deserving of their own name

That and the whole “no name” thing in one of the Triad convos

When talking with Marie, Drifter reveals that they have no “real” name for themselves and forgot it in Duviri

[cerulean kiln]

Marie gives Drifter a name

[undone lodge]

What convo?

[cerulean kiln]

Marie: I think you, my dear Drifter, are more likely to run off to join the pack of wolves than to sit guard against it. And I do mean that as a compliment.

Hence the Wolf comment

So Drifter did get a name this update

[pastel pasture]

`well that was an absolutely awful interception alert

[undone lodge]

Still not an “actual” name

[cerulean kiln]

Neither was Ayatan

[undone lodge]

That’s a nickname, like Operator or Drifter or Sparkie

[undone lodge]

Yes it was

[pastel pasture]

nobody was doing anything, and i mean literally.

I was on B, NOBODY was getting D. one person was AFK and has 2 kills by the time round 1 was ending

[cerulean kiln]

Ayatan never became Operators actual name

[undone lodge]

That is literally the entire point of the Family scenes

[quick smelt]

“Drifter, you need to kill Wally.”
“Nah, Imma do my own thing.”
New Kim chat acquired

For drifter does not guard against the wolves, they join the pack.

[undone lodge]

Just because other people keep calling them by their established names that their entire relationship is built on doesn’t mean Ayatan is some exception to the “giving people their own name” plotline of the Entrati family

[cerulean kiln]

The Family calling us Ayatan never made it our legal name outside of there

It's just a nickname for us if anything

[undone lodge]

Just like how we aren’t deadnaming the entire family when we call them Mother or Son because you don’t need to just discard all your other names when you get a new one

[cerulean kiln]

Just like Wolf is

[quick smelt]

It’s kinda like how they gave them their names back by describing what they are as comparisons

Ayatan would be ours to them if we were actually born in their family, probably

Hence the nickname they gave us

[cerulean kiln]

The name isn't as deep as you think it

Operator is still Operator

Drifter is still Drifter

[quick smelt]

Yeah
I like being John Operator and John Drifter

Or Jane Operator and Jane Drifter
Or Jane Operator and John Drifter
Or John Operator and Jane Drifter

[pastel pasture]

having different genders between Operator and Drifter is so weird form a lorepoint

[undone lodge]

Did I say they weren’t?

[cerulean kiln]

You're missing how Ayatan is just a nickname they call us just like Marie calls us Wolf

The Entrati Family cant legally name us or anything so it is just a nickname

As is Wolf

[pastel pasture]

legally name us

[cerulean kiln]

Or any of the other 1000 words

[pastel pasture]

is that really the arguement we're doing

that Ayatan isn't the operator's name because the entratis lack the legal authority

[quick smelt]

They can illegally name us but by law we are still “Operator”

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

They just gave us a nickname

[pastel pasture]

by law we're Tenno-412 or whatever we were called

[cerulean kiln]

Tenno isn't our real name either tbh

[pastel pasture]

Operator does not have a name

[cerulean kiln]

Both don't

[quick smelt]

From a lore point I think it makes perfect sense we don’t have a name anymore

It’s been so long that kind of thing has been lost to history or no longer mattered

[pastel pasture]

that's the whole point of everything. After the Zariman incidient they were stripped of a name

[quick smelt]

Plus that

[pastel pasture]

but I still choose Ayatan as the Opeartor's new name with the Entratis as a found family

[cerulean kiln]

When the Orokin found us they would rather insult us than remind us what our name was when we were “normal”

[pastel pasture]

anyway im done with this conversation

im gonna make like a tree and go play more warframe

[quick smelt]

Without names they were seen as just

Items basically

Good way to not humanize or grow attached to the void demons

[cerulean kiln]

Orokin barely saw us as human

I wouldn't be surprised if Devil was a thing most Orokin called us rather than just Ballas’ thing

[balmy storm]

Not really

Gender is but a societal concept, Drifter doesn’t even find it weird when using transference on a frame of their opposite gender
Also genderfluid people exist

[shadow ivy]

HELP?

[zenith jacinth]

well at least you didn't lose your head

[glad jay]

So I got best friends with lyon and roathe (iirc) and romanced Marie, when does the loid fam happens?

Or do I need to manually trigger it

[zenith jacinth]

I have inflicted psychic damage on myself with that pun

[night zephyr]

I believe they bring up conversations about reuniting them, and if you get everyone to agree Roathe will say it will take some time

It's not exactly manual you just need to do the conversations

[glad jay]

Mhm all gud then

[merry monolith]

So I've got the kiss scene with one of the new Protoframes, and I'd like to record it because I didn't think about doing it the first time. I've got the Captura, but I don't know if it's possible to replay the scene itself in some way? Anyone could help, please? TwT

[undone spindle]

Amar died for our forma

[pure merlin]

You have to wait till next week

[merry monolith]

Ah, okay. I was afraid next's week one will be a different scene. I'll wait, then, thank you!

[pure merlin]

It shouldn't be different
Unless DE has been hiding things from us 👀

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, there are five capturas per triad

[merry monolith]

I mean, I know the scene that showed to us in the stream back then isn't the same as the one I saw today. So even if it would be lovely to have different scenes, I'd like to also access the ones that already happened to enjoy them, too TwT

And I tried through the Captura, but if there's a way to trigger the scene itself, I didn't find it.

[pure merlin]

5??

[pure merlin]

I mean if I'm wrong then, and there's different scenes, make sure to record the next one and then I guess wait until it cicles back

[pastel pasture]

to fix this:

step 1. wait for DE to patch the bugs

it is an unfortunate fact that Drifter and KIM are heavily bugged RN

[obtuse gyro]

yeap

[pastel pasture]

you aint never getting all capturas

[merry monolith]

I'll have to do that, then. At least I feel less stupid for not finding a way to replay it xDD. Thanks for the help!

[pastel pasture]

you gotta kiss Lyon so much and he's the worst choice (ragebait)

[pure merlin]

So I discover you can get a Kaithe summon for open world and that there's more scenes for DT, wonder what else I do not know

[heady dew]

Am I like the only person who’s done the Waverider quest

[lament thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605

(full disclosure I kiss Marie COUGH)

[pastel pasture]

Roathe is way better (not ragebait. I just really like mean guy romance trope)

[lament thicket]

That's fine. I just like Marie more.

[pure merlin]

Astarion would like to know your location

[pastel pasture]

i also dated Astarion

[pure merlin]

Good choice

[cerulean kiln]

Did you know you can use a focus ultimate on Tau even if you don't own it so you buying it is essentially buying it for Origin System?

[pastel pasture]

imagine if you could use a Requiem Ultima on Perita

[lament thicket]

I do genuinely like Roathe as a character. I do genuinely think he's like the only Orokin who's really really chill. Well. Besides the Entrati family, of course.

Totally not biased because of erm... Past characters...

[pastel pasture]

Entratis have a family history of rejecting Orokin values so that makes sense

[pure merlin]

Yeah that one I knew. But keep them coming maybe we'll find something lol

[lament thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy14-ffxiv-emet-selch-snap-finger-snap-gif-24426214

I still miss this sassy man in FF14.

But Roathe will do.

[cerulean kiln]

Did you know the Entrati labs are infinite?

[pastel pasture]

do y'all think we're going to get protoframe batch 4?

I really want the Yareli protoframe ;-;

[pure merlin]

The ones in the sanctum?
But no 👀

[uncut solar]

They will keep making protos. They seemingly make a lot of money

Don't worry

[pastel pasture]

i just worry we'll drift into non-canon proto releases

[pure merlin]

Yareli, Rhino, Inaros, Ember

[cerulean kiln]

DE never said no more they said only new ones if it makes sense to add more

[uncut solar]

Have you seen the amount of discussions on new protos

People want more, they'll deliver

[pastel pasture]

i want Caliban proto

[uncut solar]

I personally want normal deluxe skins instead of protos but

[pastel pasture]

On Tau Entrati's first action was giving the serum to some random Sentient he saw

[fierce kiln]

there are so many asian ones they could lowkey make entrati go to feudal japan or china and have wukong, ash, koumei ect. as protos

[uncut solar]

It seems to be selling good

[cerulean kiln]

I want a Nidus Proto voiced by Ryan Reynolds

[pure merlin]

If they add more maybe they'll help us fight Wally like Lyon and Marie agree to

[lament thicket]

You know... I want either Garuda or Titania Protoframe.

[uncut solar]

Yareli proto voiced by Jennifer English, trust

[lament thicket]

Also someone pray tell me what the hell did Marie curse Roathe with.

[pastel pasture]

Wukong proto: I lost my twin brother and this makes me sad. I try to find peace through meditation and am tormented by the astral clone of him i got. Help me come to terms and accept the clone.

Koumei: I am addicted to gambling

[cerulean kiln]

If they add Wukong Proto they better also add Nezha Proto

[pastel pasture]

eng translation for the lazy ||I'm going to kick your dirty, cursed ass.||

[pure merlin]

"I will beat your ass vile cursed"

[lament thicket]

Damn... For being a nun she has spite.

[uncut solar]

Devil's triad but chinese

Wukong, Nezha and whoever else new

[pastel pasture]

oh wait you were asking for a translation? lol sorry ;-;

[uncut solar]

[fierce kiln]

wukong: look at my spiritual twin
xaku: HE ELP LP

[fierce kiln]

right, nezha too if they do an asian batch

[pastel pasture]

i would not have included the lazy part had i understand you didn't already know what it meant

[merry monolith]

okay but... forest protectors batch with Oberon and Titania? 👀

[lament thicket]

They're too busy playing Stardew Valley.

[pure merlin]

Pair them with Grendell for the laugh

[lament thicket]

Don't forget Gauss.

[uncut solar]

And a new cryptid frame

[pure merlin]

Titania and Oberon the vegans, Grendell the canibal carnivorous, and what would Gauss be ?

[fierce kiln]

protein

[pure merlin]

Sold

[uncut solar]

People talk about a whole batch made out of old frames

[merry monolith]

True, Hex batch added Cyte-09, Roundtable Temple, now Uriel... New forest frame, indeed

[uncut solar]

But it's always gonna be one more new

[pure merlin]

I want an Inaros protoframe with a god complex

[lament thicket]

But that begs the question: I don't recall more forest related protectors of sorts...

[obtuse gyro]

pan lol

[merry monolith]

They need more love

[lament thicket]

You know what? Give us a Chroma Proto Frame.

[merry monolith]

-says as a main Titania-

[lament thicket]

I main Wisp so I'm already happy with Marie.

[merry monolith]

Marie is

[uncut solar]

I main noone and Im never happy

[zenith jacinth]

edgy

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[lament thicket]

You're the type of person to use only Excal Umbra.

[pastel pasture]

i main Caliban

[lament thicket]

/s

[uncut solar]

I don't like excalibur

[pastel pasture]

Caliban can spin and cause untold devistation

[fierce kiln]

i sure do wonder if anyone out there claims themselves to be a stalker main

[zenith jacinth]

I (technically) main grendel :)

[pure merlin]

If Wisp and Harrow are french. Does that mean Vauban won't be ? 😔

[merry monolith]

Caliban's fun, specially with the mod that pills up enemies so the shooting Sentients can destroy them :3

[pastel pasture]

we found him. the only grendel fan

[zenith jacinth]

there's more than one

[uncut solar]

There's no french quota

He can be french

[pastel pasture]

lol yeah.

You just never see him because he's a pain to grind for

[pure merlin]

He better be

[fierce kiln]

caliban inaros & revenant, the spin brothers
to some extend, uriel too

[lament thicket]

I want to try out Chroma but I've yet to gather the parts needed for him. It's interesting that he requires 3 different chassis from 3 different frames. Where do I get Saryn's anyway?

[zenith jacinth]

honestly, people always overstate how difficult the grendel grind is

[zenith jacinth]

sedna

[lament thicket]

Got it ty.

[zenith jacinth]

also chroma sucks so. maybe wait until they rework him

[pastel pasture]

I shall say it again.

Lol yeah

but you must understand. Warframe fans don't waant to put any effort in

[zenith jacinth]

yea

[pure merlin]

Caliban the chill guy which likes summoning stuff, Revenant the logical guy that constantly argues with Inaros, and Inaros the pretentious guy with a god complex

[zenith jacinth]

I want to see the average wf player play a soulsborne game

[pastel pasture]

Caliban is the micro manager. Really out of touch and puts all his work on his underlings

he goes up to the other two and says "Hey you guys know that feeling when an enemy looks at you? always so weird right?"

and nobody gets what he's talking about

[zenith jacinth]

except ash, loki and cyte, but for the wrong reasons

and ivara

[pastel pasture]

Caliban shows off his pristine weapon collection. Acts all confused when asked which is his favorite to use

[zenith jacinth]

ngl the only reason I "main" grendel is bc he's insanely tanky

like, nothing is killing that fella

[pastel pasture]

Inaros is also insanely tanky

[zenith jacinth]

yea but not as fun

[pastel pasture]

yes

[zenith jacinth]

angry puking meatball is very fun

[pastel pasture]

Inaros also can't eat people. Some people may think that's a negative

[uncut tiger]

Really not a fan of the new drifter body models :/

[pure merlin]

Naah Inaros is great

[zenith jacinth]

upgrade

[cerulean kiln]

0 food sources

[zenith jacinth]

3

[pastel pasture]

disagree. op/drifter were always super uncanny looking

[zenith jacinth]

remember, grendel regens rapidly while in meatball mode

[pure merlin]

Did you switch the model ? There's 2 different ones in appearances
Feels like it resets to default male one when you update

[uncut tiger]

I think theyre worse now. The torso is chonkier but the arms remain the same, it's throwing me off

[cerulean kiln]

Disagree but we all have different opinions

[uncut tiger]

No, one is pre rework the other is after

[zenith jacinth]

not what temple meant

body isn't tied to face anymore, so you might just be using a different body

[fierce kiln]

WAIT
NOKKO

[zenith jacinth]

not forest

[merry monolith]

NOKKO

Mushrooms still count

[uncut tiger]

yeah i already checked that

[zenith jacinth]

shrooms should stay in the caves where they belong

[cerulean kiln]

What even is the difference between 1 and 2 body types in customisation

[merry monolith]

There are mushrooms outside in Venus, though. And irl also in trees' roots and the like

[zenith jacinth]

warframe cave (proto) update that just includes all the vaguely cave related frames

[fierce kiln]

male and female, broader shoulders and stuff

[zenith jacinth]

chroma, atlas, nokko, qorvex, oraxia

dragon, stone, mushroom, concrete, spider

[pure merlin]

Could be from your outfit then cuz mine doesn't look too chunky with body type 2, assuming you want a female ish body

[uncut tiger]

The outfit looked fine in the old vers is my point.

[pure merlin]

Just trying to help 🤷‍♀️

[cerulean kiln]

They didn't change the outfits though only faces and way you change gender

[uncut tiger]

They changed the body shape, and thus effected how the outfits look.

[pastel pasture]

what would be the worst protoframe?

[pure merlin]

Concrete ? In a cave ?

[pastel pasture]

Nidus? Xaku?

[uncut tiger]

Just found a forum post about it so yeah they def look different now
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1482871-on-the-new-body-models/

[zenith jacinth]

concrete is made from stone

[pure merlin]

In terms of what ? The way they look or act ?

Fair enough

[pastel pasture]

Overall "I am not excited for this at all"

[pure merlin]

Atlas

[cerulean kiln]

Worst is subjective

[zenith jacinth]

hmm

[pastel pasture]

yes. which is your subjective opinion on worst

[pure merlin]

Or Octavia

[cerulean kiln]

Worst would be Grendel cuz literally eating people

[zenith jacinth]

prob gara

[zenith jacinth]

wrong metric

[zenith jacinth]

.

[pure merlin]

Make Grendel some kind of serial killer ig

[pastel pasture]

some people would claim that to make him the best

[zenith jacinth]

I have a couple frames that I think are just kinda. meh

[eager dagger]

Grendel would have to be some horrific shyte teeth in his stomach innards exposed gaunt

[zenith jacinth]

most of them already have a proto tho

[pure merlin]

If she wasn't already a proto I'd have said Wisp

[zenith jacinth]

my most meh opinion frames are trinity and frost

could never even get motivated enough to commit to farming frost, and trinity I've never even considered

[cerulean kiln]

It might be Atlas with how much players seem to avoid him

[pure merlin]

Imo Trinity is in need of a rework

[pastel pasture]

Loki protoframe

[cerulean kiln]

Didn't Trinity already get one?

[zenith jacinth]

she already had one

[pastel pasture]

rework 2

rerework.

[eager dagger]

Atlas takes a lot to enjoy playing but his story is cool and the frame itself looks awesome

[pure merlin]

Yeaaah I know, but I don't feel like she fits the current faster gameplay, she needs something more

[pastel pasture]

change Trinity's 4 to be giving out vaccines for viral status and helminth cyst

[pure merlin]

I think she'd be played a lot more if she got another rework

[pastel pasture]

Uriel rework when

[undone lodge]

Hint at Garuda originally being from the Deepmine caves through her protoframe

A dead one that the rest are torn up about, of course

[pure merlin]

Uriel nerf more like

[zenith jacinth]

I don't really like the base design ngl

[pastel pasture]

Garuda's lore is she doesn't have lore

[eager dagger]

I’m talking more his prime I don’t like his base design either

[pure merlin]

What would be the most likely next proto ?

[cerulean kiln]

Wukong

It's the only one Rebb mentioned that doesn't exist yet

Otherwise, it's anybody's guess

[pure merlin]

Interesting

[pastel pasture]

i actually know one of the new ones thatll be coming eventually

Lean in close for this is a secret not meant to be shared

It's going to be a new warframe we have absolutely no way of guessing

[pure merlin]

Steve frame ?

[brazen glen]

Bed frame?

[pastel pasture]

legends say it may be another fireframe

[pure merlin]

Was there a leak or something ?

[tawny heath]

a

[pastel pasture]

no

i mean the new warframe thing is true. not because I have any insider info, it's just how they do protoframe batches

[pure merlin]

I mean, that's fair

Maybe in the new devstream they'll tease something, or accidentally spoil it

[brazen glen]

I think if the 1799 theory is true then it'll be nekros and maybe mirage

[pastel pasture]

at the rate we are going it might take awhile to reach Inaros proto

[brazen glen]

Gotta hit all the big continents we got 2 europe locations

Next we go below the equator

[pure merlin]

I'll keep begging every streams

[cerulean kiln]

Has Warframe ever left Europe? Earth-wise?

I swear no nodes are on other continents

[brazen glen]

I believe earth does?

Theres like african middle east europe the sea n stuff

[chilly pine]

yeah looks like some nodes in africa and asia

[brazen glen]

I didnt even realize Eurasia is an actual location lmfao

[cerulean kiln]

Eurasia is an actual name irl

[pastel pasture]

i kinda feel like Oro/Tikal are on the other side

Mariana, a water node, is on a seabase tileset

Oro/Tikal are not seabases despite being water nodes

so i think its a fair guess to say they are meant to be on the other side of the planet

[pure merlin]

Has anyone attempted to replay Whispers in the Walls after the Old Peace update ?

[pastel pasture]

Why would it matter? (actually wondering)

[hearty pendant]

only replayed second dream and new war since the update, haven't gotten to whispers yet

[pure merlin]

Because I'm trying to replay it to see some cutscenes again and I just cannot speak to Loid about the Kalymos Sequence, he's not there to lead me to the sanctum, he doesn't want to talk to me

Funnier even, I can teleport to Marie Lyon and Roathe and enter the sanctum without necraloid and the cutscene opening to the stair case and all

[hearty pendant]

odd

[pure merlin]

So I was just wondering if anyone got that bug or managed to make it work

[civic ore]

That doesnt look like an ancient echidna with a blue chaos creature

[pastel pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-stare-blank-clueless-gif-14342172

[civic ore]

kinda expected a response like that ngl

[uncut solar]

I understand what you mean

[civic ore]

ok good lol

[hearty pendant]

same thing, spawned in the wrong location, no loid
whispers is broken ig? can only hope that it isn't broken on first playthrough as well

[pastel pasture]

@pure merlin @hearty pendant do both of you have rank 5 cavia?

[hearty pendant]

i do
which could interfere, maybe?

[pastel pasture]

maybe

sanctum does change a bit once you hit rank 5

[pure merlin]

I do

[pastel pasture]

interesting

i also have rank 5...

we need someone who doesn't have rank 5 cavia

[pure merlin]

Also I took the teleport to Roathe then went to the sanctum through the xx99 portal, then went back up the stairs

And, uhm

[hearty pendant]

i'm almost surprised there's a texture for that side at all

[pure merlin]

Welp, until I can finish that quest it's most likely gonna stay closed, glad I don't walk to the sanctum to go there

[noble beacon]

i just saw the cutscene after getting the zenurik ultimate

[zenith jacinth]

yea?

[echo basalt]

Does anything happen after going through the slog grind of getting all the tauron strikes?

[noble beacon]

lyon definitely knows rell

[echo basalt]

Or is it just like a honoria title

[echo basalt]

Yea no shit considering his Kim chats

[noble beacon]

i have not played since Christmas

[echo basalt]

Ok let's just say lyon was dealing some shit before priest hood

And well taking the harrow sub sub strain of helminth gave him some alternative memories involving rell sorta

[noble beacon]

cool

[zenith jacinth]

he also hears wally/rell which is why he be slapping himself

[pastel pasture]

the harrow sub substrain you say

what of the harrow dom substrain

[solid otter]

No shot. Necraloid not spawning or loid not spawning?

Because if its necraloid not spawning i will laugh

Bcs thats why heart of deimos was unplayable for ages

[pure merlin]

Necraloid

[solid otter]

BAHAHAH sorry I shouldn't laugh

It shouldn't be broken for r5 cavia

Ive played w r5 cavia

[pure merlin]

I sent a bug report, hopefully will get some answers, couldn't send the videos I've made tho

[hearty pendant]

yea i think its more related to the triad's existance than r5 cavia, just a weird bug

[solid otter]

Mm. Probably that.

[pure merlin]

I mean, knowing you can teleport to them and the sanctum when you shouldn't be able to, it might be because of that lol

[solid otter]

Wonder if you can teleport into the cathedral when in that area with necraloid

Oh

[pure merlin]

Yes

[solid otter]

Lmfao

DE spaghetti code

Strikes again

[pure merlin]

I can't remember if during that quest you can interact with the family aswell while necraloid guides you to the sanctum

[solid otter]

"Yeah hold on Loid i wanna talk to Mother-"

[pure merlin]

Because I definitely could when attempting to replay

[solid otter]

Im so glad we can reunite Loid with the Family now

[pure merlin]

Have you gotten the chat with Loid that says he went up there ?

[solid otter]

NO

HAVE YOU???

[pure merlin]

Nah, it's probably bugged

[solid otter]

Have you gotten the cutscene 😭

Awhhh

[pure merlin]

I was supposed to get it on reset today/yesterday

But nothing

[solid otter]

Might be today's reset?

The one in a couple hours

Bcs there was one person who got it

[pure merlin]

Would be weird, but if I don't get it again I might just send another bug report

Literally got no message on the last reset, no Roathe, Loid, Marie or Lyon, when it's supposed to be my last convo

[misty veldt]

Do i need to max out the family's standing in order for the reunion to happen? Im curious

[pure merlin]

Probably

A lot of people said so

[solid otter]

Yeah you do

[misty veldt]

Ah. I should probably start working on that then

[solid otter]

Thats why they upped the standing the family's tokens give

[pure merlin]

Damn they did ?

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[solid otter]

By a lot

[uncut solar]

they upped the token standing AND reduced the price of glass shards

[solid otter]

Pissed me off so bad that I had to do the old ones and it was like. Less than a month from the old peace for it

I finished it before they announced it and I was so mad

[uncut solar]

im still halfway to rank4

[solid otter]

Used to need 20 grandmother tokens for the seriglass shard and it SUCKED

[cerulean kiln]

I built a Railjack back when each part took 6 hours

[solid otter]

I built my bonewidow 😭

Not before the change tho

But I had one!

[pure merlin]

It was a pain in the ass

[pure merlin]

So it's easier to get compo for the necramech too?

[solid otter]

Mm, a lot easier but a pain nonetheless. Grindy.

[cerulean kiln]

This is a grind game it's to be expected

[analog moat]

He is fine how he is

[pastel pasture]

is he though?

[pure merlin]

God I remember my necramech grind, 1 week non stop
Was so proud of myself when I first got it solo as a lil newbie

[solid otter]

Limbo... limbo rework...

[analog moat]

Yes , I don’t understand why people try and change a good frame and ruin them

[cinder marten]

good thing i already maxed out the family years ago

[pastel pasture]

maybe Uriel should have an ability that gives him 5,000 shield regen and permanent gating

[cinder marten]

feelsgoodman

[solid otter]

Manifesting a limbo rework and limbo proto with it

[cinder marten]

i actually had a good time farming the family syndicate back then

[analog moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-zoning-out-cat-stare-black-cat-black-cat-tiktok-stare-gif-6568742496074847242

[analog moat]

I still haven’t done it lmao

[cinder marten]

i love deimos so much

[solid otter]

You need to or Loid will die if you send him up there

[cinder marten]

they should put more things on deimos in particular

[analog moat]

I finished fortuna and the hex before that

[analog moat]

WHAT

[solid otter]

Remember, the women of the entrati family can and will cut a mf up

[cinder marten]

this godforsaken rock

[solid otter]

This is a joke but realistically if you could, he would die

[hearty pendant]

Father exists as evidence

[cinder marten]

has all of the content in it

it's so funny

[analog moat]

I was like bruh 😭🤣 I am screwed

[solid otter]

Father is a living example yeah

[cinder marten]

how deep does this house go

[solid otter]

Got stabbed by Mother, gets hated on by Grandmother and gets his arm blown of by Daughter

Like dude. Noone likes him fr

[cinder marten]

i still don't have the ventkids maxed and never will

[analog moat]

Yeah me neither

[cinder marten]

next thing you know the ventkids will say 67 or something

[hearty pendant]

i think i have all syndicates maxed except for quills, vox, and ventkids
unless i'm forgetting one. conclave doesn't count

[pastel pasture]

ventkid standing is easy to get if you just do it when leveling kdrives

[analog moat]

Like overwatch did , I think I will cry

[solid otter]

Maybe that's why Albrecht keeps those specific family members' tokens in the netracells. He's also a vilcor hater

[analog moat]

[cinder marten]

vilcor seems like a good guy

he's one of the good orokin

[analog moat]

From what we seen yeah

[pastel pasture]

Vilcor is probably racist

[solid otter]

Its not even his direct blood that mf has Grandmother's tokens in there

[cinder marten]

nah grandmother is definitely the racist one

[pastel pasture]

I bet Vilcor calls sentients void-luggers

[cinder marten]

grandmother sees all, nothing escapes her

[solid otter]

The racist one is literally daughter cmon we know this

[hearty pendant]

'this guy, that married my daughter? don't like him
his mother is cool tho'

[analog moat]

I love talking to grandma tho

😔

[pastel pasture]

and who taught her racism?

[cinder marten]

yeah i like her too, feels like a real relative

[analog moat]

Fr ;-;

[solid otter]

"Yeah Dagath is cool, she and Loid get along, so i like her"

I can see Albrecht tolerating whoever Loid tolerates. Grandmother and Loid absolutely would like each other tho

[pure merlin]

But Limbo is so gooooood

Poor guy doesn't deserve the hate

[pastel pasture]

I tried manifesting an arum spinosa "blade"

[analog moat]

He just bad at math

[pastel pasture]

i got a bp....universe wires must have been crossed

[pure merlin]

Who is good at maths nowadays anyway

[pastel pasture]

You

[analog moat]

Sure as hell not me LMAO

[pure merlin]

The day I'm good at maths is the day the world ends

[pastel pasture]

guess i dont gotta go to work tomorrow

[analog moat]

[pure merlin]

Maybe one day we'll get protoframes heirloom and it's just the protos in suits and nice dresses

[analog moat]

Made roathe a shrine last night

[pastel pasture]

lol at the watermark

[pure merlin]

An artist has to protect its art

[analog moat]

I post fashionframe on TikTok so I put my name behind it

[pastel pasture]

Oh yeah people are for sure going to steal ur shit on tiktok

[analog moat]

😭🤣 yup it’s wild

[pastel pasture]

if you want my advice

anyone who steals your stuff. get em with the protoframe serum

we'll see how much they want to steal when they get turned into the worst warframes

[analog moat]

💀

[pure merlin]

Can't stand people ? Become Ballas

[analog moat]

I dunno if I can become ball ass

[pure merlin]

You just need some blue paint

[analog moat]

Facts

[pure merlin]

And act like you're above everyone else

And then get your ass beat by your former lover and and her child

[analog moat]

Channel my inner orokin

[pastel pasture]

Make an AI chatbot themed after your crush and then stab it

[pure merlin]

And then go try to blow up the sun but accidentally spawn an eldritch god

[solid otter]

I need to properly build my Albrecht shrine tbh

That stupid ass Loid decoration needs love

[analog moat]

I gyat to see it when you finsih

[solid otter]

Still waiting for a Loid floof

[analog moat]

I want a roathe floof so bad

Gonna put him and Arthur together

[solid otter]

Maybe next wave of floofs will have em

[pure merlin]

Ingame or irl ?

[analog moat]

Ingame , gonna have their floof on the couch together

[echo basalt]

Hey got a question for everyone, what sort of extended functionality should the dormizone have if de were to revisit that glofied hotel room?

[pure merlin]

Hoping they release one on the merch

[analog moat]

Right !

[pastel pasture]

damage slider

[pure merlin]

A drifter/tenno training room, like the simulacrum where you can test different abilities against dummies

[echo basalt]

?

[echo basalt]

That does sound more efficient then just going to simaris

[pure merlin]

You wouldn't be able to spawn in enemies tho, but see roughly how much damage you do

[echo basalt]

Ah I mean its a bit unnecessary given its not a small ship left to rot somewhere

But I get it

[analog moat]

Dormizone should let you have your dating protoframes in there 😔

[pastel pasture]

yes exactly. thats why it should have one

[analog moat]

But hex can’t leave I don’t think so rip

[pure merlin]

I meaaan if Kaya managed to

[pastel pasture]

i mean look at it

[echo basalt]

Yea a training dummy you can test your dmg/builds on before a duviri run is a good idea

[pastel pasture]

its so gross in here.

[eager dagger]

But there’s gold kinda sorta there real gold

[echo basalt]

I'd personally like a personal landing pad with a nav terminal to select railjack missions from

[pure merlin]

Waste of orokin gold

[pastel pasture]

there literally isnt tho

[pure merlin]

That'd be cool too

[echo basalt]

You know connect the "islands" a bit more

[solid otter]

Rip and tear...

[pure merlin]

Let's go apply at DE

[pastel pasture]

its orange lighting on a white wall

[eager dagger]

Look at the ceiling that ring is gold - we’re space rich

[pastel pasture]

see above

[eager dagger]

No the rim 🤣

[echo basalt]

Also why does the door have a locking feature?

[pastel pasture]

yes

its orange lighting. not gold

[echo basalt]

Like who the eff is coming down the elevator other then us?

[pure merlin]

Angels ?

[pastel pasture]

does the Zariman even have gold? It wasn't an Orokin ship

[echo basalt]

It was but not one pimped out

[eager dagger]

The lil ghost bish who steals your shyte during missions. WE NEED LOCKS

[hearty pendant]

statues, but not built into the architecture like w/ lua or the towers

[echo basalt]

You mean the one who pulls up only in void flood

[eager dagger]

Yes , she’s mean af and a ghost but she hasn’t figured out how doors work….its our only defense

[pastel pasture]

TBF tho. I think the fake gold in the zariman is intentional

its supposed to look like gold, so people have the illusion of living the orokin life

but of course the peasants aren't worthy of real gold in their dorms

[pure merlin]

Makes sense

[eager dagger]

Let’s not say “fake gold” it’s just off brand it’s still nice with the 1970 esthetic diner furniture

[pastel pasture]

i will say fake gold

fake gold

[eager dagger]

You’ll make the children with space powers very sad …you’re lucky they can’t read

[echo basalt]

Pyrite

Painted brass

The pawnshop shuffle

24k scam

Unwanted by spain

[pure merlin]

Entrati's special

[echo basalt]

Temu el Dorado

[eager dagger]

I wonder tho does the Zariman eventually hit tau? The Zariman ova is there

[echo basalt]

Nah

Those were ships that came before

[pastel pasture]

Quiz time. Why couldn't I kill the enemy i was shooting?

A. I was using the wrong weapon

B. I messed up my mods.

C. I just suck

D. Simaris Target

[echo basalt]

The zariman you can tell because the orokin gave a shit about the exterior

[eager dagger]

Why call it the Zariman ova tho?

[echo basalt]

All of the above

[echo basalt]

Its egg shaped

[pure merlin]

Simaris Target

[pastel pasture]

Temple is 100% right

Lord of Madness is 50% right

[pure merlin]

Hell yeah

[eager dagger]

More the Zariman part is what I’m talking about

[echo basalt]

Might as well keep the colonization ship and terraformers under the same project name

Makes life organizing the whole thing more efficient

[night grail]

Because its one of the iterations of the Zariman project

[eager dagger]

I was under the impression the zariman is the name of the ship

[echo basalt]

I mean yes but no

[eager dagger]

Very much feeling the implication is the ova is from the zarman hence the name

[echo basalt]

Or at the very least

[night grail]

Nope

[echo basalt]

Done under the same project

[night grail]

The zariman 10-0 never made it to tau

[echo basalt]

Yea Caesar is right

[eager dagger]

I’m talking post the Tenno returning

[echo basalt]

Probably

[pure merlin]

Zariman Ova ?

[night grail]

Still never went to tau

[night grail]

The 5-9

[echo basalt]

The egg shaped terraformer

[eager dagger]

The massive egg to terraform the planet

[pure merlin]

Yeah, I'll watch a lore video lol

[eager dagger]

It kills the xeno flowers

[pastel pasture]

time to say a true fact that always gets people riled up

Tau is a planet and a system :3

[pure merlin]

Ahh the thing in the Old Peace ?

[plush thicket]

I cant speak with marie even when im in romance with her in the kim messenger

[eager dagger]

This true

[pastel pasture]

yes and people really disagree with an in-game stated fact

[eager dagger]

Yes big azz egg

[eager dagger]

Lmfao for years

[pure merlin]

Ahhhhh

[eager dagger]

Ngl after the old peace margs is kinda the worst

Or natah at that point

[pure merlin]

Was it Natah being Margulis at that point or was it still Margulis ?
Wasn't clear for me

[night grail]

It was margulis

[eager dagger]

Wasn’t clear for any of us - but assuming the lore holds she was taken out after the Tenno got back some time - the old peace would potentially be after that so prob natah but could also be margs depending on when it takes place

Especially because they’re heading to Lua to put the Tenno in to the second dream so it would probably be natah at that point

[pure merlin]

Mhm I see

Thought it might just have been Margulis for the only fact that we apologize to Lotus when we wake up
We would have no reason to apologize if she had been there and had been the reason the treaty was broken

[eager dagger]

Lotus is natah - the one we apologize to is natah

[pure merlin]

I know

[pastel pasture]

Lotus is not a what? 🥁

[pure merlin]

When you wake up from the refractory I mean for the last time after talking to "Margulis" in the memory

One of the first thing the tenno says is "I'm sorry"

[eager dagger]

When you come out of the refractory pool at the end of the old peace the “lotus” you apologize to is natah in lotus form

[pastel pasture]

timeline wouldn't match up for it being Lotus

Lotus would come about after the old peace and the old war part 2 started

[eager dagger]

I always find it funny that we’re hanging out with a literal sentient that can routinely be rewired to kill us and almost has several times but we’re like nah that’s my mom

[pure merlin]

That's why I thought it was Margulis

[pure merlin]

Who did you choose for her to be after The New War ?

[eager dagger]

Lotus, natah is creepy looking af

[pure merlin]

No idea if that question is even english

Fair enough

[eager dagger]

Nah you’re fine

[pastel pasture]

heres a lore question.

Is the perita rebellion gameplay mode 4 tenno going into the refractory together. or Operator remembering fighting alongside 3 tenno

[eager dagger]

No wait I lied margulis cuz the helmet is off

[pure merlin]

Remembering I would guess

[pastel pasture]

mayb mayb

[eager dagger]

Fun fact DE still holds to the “you’re the only Tenno awake in the galaxy” line but we regularly work with other Tenno 🤣

[pastel pasture]

really? did they say that recently?

[pure merlin]

The weird tenno help thing in the quest was weird too

What was the point in choosing a tenno to help? Didn't get it

[pastel pasture]

because KIM makes it seem canon there are other tenno running about

[eager dagger]

It’s never been changed - was an old dev stream question

[pastel pasture]

old

[eager dagger]

In the second dream there are tons of pods just say more Tenno are alive and awake

[zenith jacinth]

I thought lore from outside the game doesn't count?

[eager dagger]

We’re not talking lore, good try tho

[zenith jacinth]

Wh

What else would it be

[eager dagger]

What “fun fact De”

[pastel pasture]

your claim is contradicted by in game sources

[zenith jacinth]

Sure

[eager dagger]

Not talking about the game talking about what DE said on a dev stream hasn’t really come up since

[pastel pasture]

DE makes warframe. what is in warframe is what is said by DE

[eager dagger]

Oh see I’d disagree there what in game sure that’s warframe said outside of the games ? Meh

[pastel pasture]

anyway moving on

[eager dagger]

lol

[pure merlin]

Did you guys know how hilarious Albrecht VA was

The guy is literally his character but goofier

[eager dagger]

Albrect VA?

Oh the voice actor

Dude is based

[pure merlin]

He's hilarious

[velvet finch]

Elaborate

[eager dagger]

Based, cool, funny eccentric - have you never seen the interviews he’s done?

[velvet finch]

I only know that he's Polish

[eager dagger]

His interviews are great highly recommend searching them up on YouTube

[velvet finch]

I'll look him up on my break

Holy shit

This guy's been in dartmouth and columbia

I had no clue he was as old as he is, and I had no idea how many productions he's been in!!

I'll tell you who I'm really excited to see if he's cast, is Werner Herzog as The Man in the Wall

[pure merlin]

That one is gonna be insane

[quick smelt]

The insanity of the people Space Mom has been hiring for Warframe

She is cooking and it is smelling good

[velvet finch]

watch her wheel out a clone of Mel Blanc himself for the next main antagonist

[pastel pasture]

I just realized how cool this weapon looks

[undone lodge]

Is it a Sonic thing

[uncut solar]

Yes

I understand it because I played sonic adventure

[quick smelt]

The humble Scaldra when I obliterate them with the Bass Drop gun:

[pastel pasture]

is there a reason people seem convinced we're getting an equinox proto or are people just beinge weird

[uncut solar]

People are just obsessed with protoframes

In general

DE have found a goldmine

[pastel pasture]

the only proto im obsessed with is protozoa

[quick smelt]

Proto-Protoframe warframe when?

[pastel pasture]

warframe 2.0 when

or is that the vessel

[quick smelt]

Warframe Squared

[uncut solar]

Dark sector

[exotic kernel]

Not sure where else to ask this, does anyone know what the devil's triad kiss scene music is?

[eager dagger]

Vessels would be natural progression honestly

[cinder marten]

1999 but not in hollvania

[pure merlin]

Welp, still no Loid

[hearty shoal]

Finally

[amber terrace]

If I am to petition yall for assistance, which do I pick if I wish to reunite Loid with the family upstairs?

[eager dagger]

Marie is desperate for “la revolution” today 🤣 on my chat

[feral barn]

Drunk Lyon

[eager dagger]

I think I hit lyons end state thanked me for being his friend and said he’ll be by my side in the fight

[feral barn]

Interesting, Lyon states he understood the scientific and philosophical sense of Entrati's explanations of his discoveries

[feral barn]

I had that a few days ago xD

[cinder marten]

Lyon is a smart guy

[pure merlin]

2

[feral barn]

Very smart indeed

[eager dagger]

At least he’s not hurting himself I guess 🤣

[amber terrace]

I truly should be more patient, I picked option one, how cooked am I?

[feral barn]

Oh wait, you said Lyon, I thought I read Marie xD

[winged ore]

I got no chats today at all, and no email or chat about the Loid plan from the triad

[eager dagger]

Yeah no Marie wants a pitch fork and touched revolution today 🤣

[mental ice]

Uh...so, got a question, I had all of devil's triad to agree to help regarding Loid, no new dialogue from them at all today, was something to happen? 😐

[pure merlin]

No idea, I didn't choose that option lol

[feral barn]

Should I tell Lyon that Rell is dead?

[pure merlin]

You can

[eager dagger]

New territory for all of us so idk

[feral barn]

But should I?

[pure merlin]

Telling him doesn't do anything bad

[mental ice]

I see, I was surprised because I got no new kim chats with anyone and it's all in limbo

[pure merlin]

From what I remember choosing

[feral barn]

I think he deserves to know

[eager dagger]

Wait till 10pm they some towns reset then oddly

[cinder marten]

he already knows

[pure merlin]

Yeah lol

[mental ice]

yeah, maybe 🤔 I got daily login reward but this was pretty odd

[cinder marten]

Lyon felt Rell's death ripple throughout space and time

Eternalism yo

[feral barn]

Yup

[pure merlin]

That's why I said it doesn't do anything bad

[feral barn]

And here we go

I know why he won't help me, so should probably press him about keeping his word

Right?

[eager dagger]

Why won’t he help you?

[feral barn]

He recovered his memories and I refused to erase them

[amber terrace]

Did I screw myself out of reuniting Loid with the family?

Or is this a bug?

[eager dagger]

I also wouldn’t erase his memory

[pure merlin]

There's probably a way to save it

[mental ice]

🤔 didn't have to erase his memory got him to accept and move forward out of his personal spiral

[pure merlin]

Guessing you already finished the convo for today, see maybe what he says tomorrow and you can fix it on that

[feral barn]

I haven't done the chat yet,just wondering how to tackle it

[tight pagoda]

Did you have no chats with Marie today?

[amber terrace]

I had a chat with Marie today

[night grail]

It doesnt matter

[feral barn]

So fellow Tenno....1 or 2

[amber terrace]

Wunderbar, thanks for the assistance : )

[tight pagoda]

Both lead the same way

[mental ice]

I'd go with 2 persoanlly, the first one seems demanding of him, the second one asks him for his reason. But that is my gut feeling 😛

[night grail]

It just flags MarieFamilyA/B depending on the route so its just text change

[feral barn]

Fair enough

[feral barn]

Got it

[pure merlin]

Anyone got a message from Loid today ?

[mental ice]

nope, only indifference

[pure merlin]

Did you finish all convos aswell and got everyone to help reunite him with the entratis ?

[feral barn]

Uuuuuuhhhhhhh

[mental ice]

yep, and indifference is what I have

[tight pagoda]

Has anyone actually been able to get the "Good ending" cutscene where ||Loid and the Family meet||? I'd like to see it myself but I've been bugged out of all chats and there's nothing I can do besides waiting for a fix (or resetting, but that could just get me locked again)

[pure merlin]

Damn, probably is really bugged then

[feral barn]

Is this normal or?

[mental ice]

That would be really annoying...

[pure merlin]

I heard one person managed to get it, but it's been bugged for me

[pure merlin]

Yep, got the exact same thing with no msg from Loid for 2 days now

[night grail]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-the-hex-drifter-begin-again-gif-639103360702619643

[mental ice]

Same... :/

[pure merlin]

I reaaaally hope this is fixed soon

[feral barn]

.......

[feral barn]

Really really hope not

[night grail]

You gotta get your temperature up

Or thermostat whatever its called

[mental ice]

https://tenor.com/view/thermostat-family-guy-donttouchthethermostat-gif-14387233

[feral barn]

I'd like to know how I even check that

[feral barn]

Because right now it's saying this

[tight pagoda]

Just by reading all the branches in Kimulacrum

No way for it in-game

[nocturne garnet]

ok so
do I have to reset to progress with Roathe or is there another way?

[lusty portal]

if i replay the New War quest, will it change how my operator or drifter looks? i see in some playthroughs that their operator or drifter looks dif in cutscenes

[feral barn]

.......UH??

[tight pagoda]

It's a hidden counter, so the only way to actually know how many points you have is to open Kimulacrum, do the dialogues in the same way you did in game, and tally them up

[cinder marten]

i've been afraid to ask but where can you view the thermostat? i never bothered to check mine

oh it's hidden?

[feral barn]

Where's the kimulacrum 0<0

[pure merlin]

It won't

Read it wrong

[cinder marten]

i thought it was like a UI thing that everyone keeps referencing but ig it's a hidden stat after all

[tight pagoda]

Oh, that's an external website called browse.wf, it has the kimulacrum which is just all the chats, datamined

[feral barn]

Ah

Also I still have no Marie Kiss

[tight pagoda]

Idk I've seen people say there's a physical one in La Cathedrale or even in the Dark Refractory room, but they never provide evidence

[cinder marten]

that's what i thought as well haha

[tight pagoda]

If you're at Loved with her, you'll need to physically go to her in La Cathedrale to get a kiss

[cinder marten]

i'm like

where is this thermostat everyone keeps talking about? 😂

[feral barn]

I'm at close still...God damn it

[hot cloak]

AYO 😭

FAUL.

[tight pagoda]

HE SAYS THE SAME FOR MARIE

[nocturne garnet]

god

[mental ice]

lol

[hot cloak]

HOW DO I THROW HANDS WITH DEMON

[nocturne garnet]

descendia

[hot cloak]

im about to exorcise him myself rn

[nocturne garnet]

torture him mentally

[feral barn]

Oh yeah, it's my birthday today....

[hot cloak]

imma beat that orokin ahh

[hot cloak]

HAPPY BDAY

[feral barn]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[feral barn]

Ty

[hot cloak]

im doing decendia 21 times on a roll and grill his ahh

"i must amuse myself somehow" ALB WAS ALSO SO AMUSED WHEN HE INJECTED THAT SYRINGE TO YOU.

[mental ice]

Speaking of Alb injesting stuff...is he a pitcher or a catcher regarding his and Loid relationship? 👀 was it ever stated anywhere lore-wise?

[velvet finch]

ALBRECHT "WHO'S BELMONT AND WHAT'S HE REPORTING" ENTRATI

[pure merlin]

I'm scared to ask what that means
But imo, Loid was nothing more than a slave to Albrecht. Loid might love him but I doubt Albrecht loves him, or anyone for that matter

[obtuse gyro]

On that I don't think Roathe is right about Albrecht

albrechts own diary shows very deep affection for loid

[mental ice]

Albrecht sure likes to lie to himself 🤔

[pure merlin]

Where do you find that diary ? Don't remember seeing it

[mental ice]

I mean, one of them is supposed to be on top, right? 😅

[obtuse gyro]

in fact it is the memory of Albrecht and Loid's love that drove back wally in Whispers

[manic coyote]

The Indifference can peer into people's heads quite well. Well enough to show itself as Albrect harming Loid to attempt to distress him

[obtuse gyro]

its the whisper lab notes

[plush swan]

Oh, hey, I spotted a character referring to Drifter as an Amalgam:

Duviri!Ballas: "What are you? Beggar, lunatic, or monarch clad in rags? Ugh. Trouble me not, chimera."
/Lotus/Sounds/Dialog/Duviri/KullervosCrimes/DWardenNearby0100Warden_en.wav

[mental ice]

And yet, Albrecht was not at all distressed in 1999 cutscene 🤔

[tight pagoda]

Albrecht is definitely in love with Loid

[manic coyote]

He's aware at the attempt of manipulation

[feral barn]

Now I wait 24 hours till I can see if I can convince Roathe to stop being a coward

[pure merlin]

I mean, I'll read it, and be open-minded, but I'll always see Albrecht as a man who just use people and loves no one but himself

[obtuse gyro]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/albrechts-notes/

[mental ice]

I don't think Albrecht is a good person, I stand by what I have told Marie 😄 he loves no one but himself, even if he claims otherwise using words, but his actions show anything but that.

[remote hinge]

i think Marie glitched for me she stuck on typing

[obtuse gyro]

A vision of the past promised a bleak future, but the unexpected assistance of the Cavia offered a precious second chance. With a memory of love holding the Indifference at bay, Loid prepares to send you back… and perhaps this time, you will not be late.

[manic coyote]

Personally I see him as a man deeply aware of his own flaws, and whilst he'd prefer the Drifter align fully with his methods, he's not heartless and is reluctantly willing to work with the Drifter's terms.

[mental ice]

Loid's love, but not Albrecht's. One sided love is a thing

[tight pagoda]

The man time-travelled permanently to 1999 (as per Whispers) so the Indifference wouldn't target Loid

[solid otter]

Albrecht... loves loid

How did you miss the entire thing of whispers

[obtuse gyro]

which wouldn't make sense because the memory has albrecht as the main actor lmao

[mental ice]

Could have taken Loid with himself if 1999 was safe, he saved his own butt

[solid otter]

No??? That would. Target loid more???

[tight pagoda]

1999 wasn't safe, Albrecht was the target

[manic coyote]

Honestly, if Albrect survives the story, just letting him work at trying to rebuilt what he abandoned is penance enough

[lament thicket]

Praying this isn't foreboding anything in regards to his thermostat...

[solid otter]

Albrecht acted as bait for the indifference.

[obtuse gyro]

oh nah, thats not thermostat related

[ancient sierra]

Should I finish listening to the remaining voicemails? I haven't confessed to him yet but I have went against the promise of going down descendia. Tryin to romance him and am at an impasse with him-

[solid otter]

He is sacrificing his safety for Loid

[obtuse gyro]

listen to break the impasse

[pure merlin]

I believe slightly more that he mainly did it to run away. I just can't stand the guy, and I am hoping we get to kill him in the end

[manic coyote]

Oooh, I get to mention Nitokh. Hoping she becomes the Garuda Protoframe

[tight pagoda]

Wait shit maybe that's what I've been missing

I haven't let the messages play out fully

But I mean I got the honoria so idk what the game wants me to do

Pay attention? In Warframe? Really guys?

[lament thicket]

Also think I got the good ending with Marie.

[solid otter]

Ehhh. No not. Not really. This isn't supported by anything outside of people just not liking him

[night grail]

Not every character mentioned needs to be a protoframe

[lament thicket]

Thank GOD.

[manic coyote]

I know, but she fits and I can hope

[tight pagoda]

Missing one flag but yep!

[uncut solar]

Please no more protoframes I'm going to cry and throw up and explode

[ancient sierra]

I won't have to worry about him accusing me for forcing the memories back?

[mental ice]

I agree with @pure merlin , 1999 was a place where indifference could not easily follow, but as we have seen, it did nothing to keep loid safe, as we play during whispers, the indifference is still harming loid. IF albrecht wanted Loid safe, he would send Loid away not go to 1999 himself.

[solid otter]

And what, leave loid to the infestation?

Or the nuke?

[tight pagoda]

Albrecht's not omniscient, he thought it'd keep Loid safe but clearly it didn't

[uncut solar]

What if they make a kim chat but not for protoframes, what if I want to talk to a random Sentient that just really likes pizza

[mental ice]

Point is, he could have sent Loid anywhere away from harm

[night grail]

"Hey im gonna send my boyfriend to the year where the technocyte broke out, that surely cant go wrong"

[solid otter]

Okay but there's literally no place that isn't safe from harm

[tight pagoda]

Yeah frozen solid in the most secure place in the Origin system

[mental ice]

Very secure, will all the murmur

[tight pagoda]

Loid only had to wake up because the Kalymos sequence activated

[pure merlin]

And is it written anywhere that he left to protect Loid and the family upstairs ? Genuine question
I mean, there's the whole stuff of the Kalymos Sequence, the threat of the murmur, he could have done more to protect everyone, but he just left, made sure that he wouldn't be able to come back
And when he left, the first thing he did is ruin the lives of more people to benefit him, and then just ran away again

[tight pagoda]

The Murmur weren't even attacking at that point

[solid otter]

If we're working on Roathe's theory that any void saturated being is at risk from wally, then Loid will never be safe. He worked with Albrecht and the void for far too long.

[manic coyote]

Personally I like the protoframes, and I'm genuinely curious to see how they'd write someone like Nitokh. Plus I love Garuda so that's a big part of it

[tight pagoda]

And Garuda is in desperate need of lore

[uncut solar]

I just feel like we don't have to have protoframes for more kim to be a thing

[night grail]

I dont hate protoframes but like, not everything needs to be a protoframe or even related

[uncut solar]

Look, we have a chat with Loid

[night grail]

Two similar things can and should co-exist

[mental ice]

So far, Albrecht's accomplishments amount to making everyone around him suffer, he doesn't even care much about his own daughter, so I doubt he cares about Loid more than that.

[uncut solar]

Unless Thomas' terrifying theory of proto limbo happens

And Albrecht saves Loid by giving him the rift

[manic coyote]

KIM chat with Worm Queen but she just sends death threats and occasional cooking recipes all containing cannibalism

[velvet finch]

Do you think we'll get a Prime protoframe at all?

[pure merlin]

Remember also what Marie and Lyon said, when Albrecht came, he was nice to them, manipulated Marie, she became completely devoted to him, and then used the serum on them, Marie saw him as the father figure she never had, and he pretty much betrayed her trust, which she doesn't realize immediatly, and abandonned them

[uncut solar]

But can you romance her

[solid otter]

How? Genuinely how could he have done more. He at the time understood wally as a information based hazard. You know of him, your screwed, while this isn't the case and we know its not the case, Albrecht didn't. that's why he sealed the family off. The less they knew the better.

[tight pagoda]

What makes you think he doesn't care?

[obtuse gyro]

holy canoli

https://www.orokinarchives.com/albrechts-notes/

perhaps you should read his diary too

[night grail]

The only theory of their relation I saw and liked was that garuda was commissioned in her honor. And ultimately, when all records of nitokh were wiped garuda's history also vanished

[mental ice]

Apart from any of his own words in diary etc, is there ANY action that doesn't show him to just use people and see them as items? He was even ordering Drifter to kill Rusalka calling it 'hard choices he has to make'

[uncut solar]

Look at this sad little psychotic thing

[tight pagoda]

Yeah. Leaving everyone he loved behind because he would put them at risk.

[solid otter]

Biased opinions! Oh boy.

What the characters say are not the 100% truth. Remember that. Also, there is no loop for Albrecht to exploit in xx99, so he couldn't have known of Marie's issues

[mental ice]

So he claims, but again that is what Albrecht says, but people make excuses, and this sounds exactly like good noble excuse to save his own skin

[uncut solar]

Yeah most of the destruction Entrati caused in the hex was assuming that Drifter will just loop it all

[solid otter]

We can rely on the notes as there's no real reason for something inside there to be biased. We aren't supposed to read Albrecht's notes.

You know

The ones that praise loid for being too good for Albrecht

[uncut solar]

I was originally with the mindset of Entrati messing people up solely because he expected it all to be wiped away by radiation wars anyway, but after the good ending of the hex and now the triad I feel like I was wrong.

[manic coyote]

More stuff of any kind in regards to Worm Queen would be great. She's such a wonderful mix of manic, sad, psychotic and adorable. XD

[pure merlin]

There's too much evidence of his manipulation, his horrible acts, and everything he has done for me to say that he genuinely meant well. Also, Marie was disabled when he arrived, you don't really need to know about her whole backstory to know that manipulating a disabled woman is not really the best thing he could do

Also, that's my opinion, as I've mentionned many times, if you want to believe he cared, you can do so
if I want Roathe to tear his throat out as he said he would, and see the man die because of all the harm he caused, then that's what I want

[mental ice]

I think Roathe sums up Albrecht much better than Albrecht sums up himself. Roathe has no reason to put albrecht on pedestal, he sees a man with faults, unlike Marie. That Loid loves Albrecht is undeniable, what Albrecht feels? That's questionable.

[cinder marten]

i swear i've seen this trope show up in another piece of media before

it's on the tip of my tongue

[solid otter]

Hey as a disabled person, kneeling down to talk to me ISNT manipulative???? That's how you speak to me??????

[tight pagoda]

Roathe is also incredibly biased against Albrecht

[cinder marten]

actions won't matter because everything blows up in the end anyway

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[pure merlin]

That's..not what I said ?

[solid otter]

Thats like

[pure merlin]

If you talk to Marie and Lyon, they literally explain how he acted towards her, and how she felt about him

[cinder marten]

it's so frustrating i can't remember what it's called haha

[mental ice]

Is biased, but still he views Albrecht as Orokin, another guy who wouldn't mind breaking a few eggs to make omlette

[solid otter]

Genuinely where else in that meeting was a "manipulative" tactic

[uncut solar]

Im more confused by people completely ignoring notes when saying anything about Albrecht or saying that they're manipulation too

[solid otter]

Roathe is also a hypocrite.

A raging, huge hypocrite.

[mental ice]

And he knows he is 😄

[solid otter]

No actually, he doesn't.

[uncut solar]

Roathe is the third must punchable character I've interacted with in a videogame

[cinder marten]

we help him remember that he's a hypocrite

[solid otter]

He mocks Albrecht for the very same thing HE does

[uncut solar]

In general

[manic coyote]

I like Roathe, but yeah he's a total hypocrite.

[reef zinc]

The Loid Cutscene: https://youtu.be/C5jgr_tehSE?si=SA7iNn50UKIrnNIw

[mental ice]

Hypocrite with amnesia 😅 😅

[solid otter]

Also, WHAT CHARACTERS SAY ARE NOT THE 100% TRUTH

[solid otter]

YAYYYYYYYY LFG

[uncut solar]

Honorary first place btw

[cinder marten]

was it from another game or a movie

[pure merlin]

I mean, if you don't see a powerful man, capable of infesting a whole city, transforming people into "monsters" as they call themselves, ruining lives, and then just going to a certain era, pretending to be a Cardinal and caring about religion to get into the good graces of a a Sister and a Priest, and then doing a 180, saying that he was never a cardinal, pushing them to take the serum so they could essentially become "warriors", so essentially lying, then leave a devil at their door, and abandonning a woman that thought he was like a father figure to her, as manipulative. Well that's your opinion again, but to me, it seems pretty damn horrible

[uncut solar]

It's from Elden ring

[sharp kindle]

thanks man. my game is fully bugged i cant do anything rn

[solid otter]

He.. didnt infest tbe city for one

[cinder marten]

no the whole "my actions won't matter because it all gets blown up in the end" idea