spoiler-chat

[pastel pasture]

It tooks 3 tries without cheating but I did it

[dense ice]

Well, i checked with the entrati family, and they have some new voicelines

[pastel pasture]

roundtable is done

[civic skiff]

is there no way to fix ||RoatheFailNot21|| without resetting the triad

[pastel pasture]

I don't know but ||reset triad is part of the triad storyline in a certain fashion||

[civic skiff]

i literally just missed roathe by one day 😭

[brazen glen]

Were there any accolade glyphs for the devils triad?

[civic skiff]

dont believe so

[unreal field]

ROATHE.
BRO I am too high for you right now.
I feel like that meme of a cow staring at the ocean.

[dense ice]

None that i am aware of

[pastel pasture]

not too sure what you mean by accolade but MISTLETOE2026 can be used to get some christmas triad gylphs

[dense ice]

Like the bosses with vor, 60 eye, apex tank

[pastel pasture]

aaah that

maybe in 2026

[civic skiff]

i think im tweaking, i cant believe i just barely missed one shotting the triad

[dense ice]

When tau truly begins

[dry cove]

So do I check Play All KIM Conversations or not?

[quick smelt]

||She has a long tongue that she can use to type on the keyboard and hinted at for other uses, if she’d get a tail, void save us all.||

[pastel pasture]

if you want to avoid missing out on triggers because you progressed too quickly. your settingg should look like this

[feral barn]

She 100% wants that tail pulled by the drifter

[pastel pasture]

me on my way to inform Elenore she is not protected by the constitution (IYKYK)

[feral barn]

Wasn't she a Journalist before too? That'd mean she could be a book girl right? we need art work of the Drifter reacting to the smut books Eleanor reads

[pastel pasture]

Minerva mentions wanting to set up a girls book club

[feral barn]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-who-doctor-who-david-tennant-best-weapons-book-worm-gif-4432509

But honestly, I can 100% see Minerva put up a bunch of books to teach about all the stuff she knows for missions and bedroom shenanigans

Aoi might not be fully interested

Lettie would read and take notes

Eleanor would immediately want to do what she read

[pastel pasture]

now heres the real question

The Drifter has access to every warframe. which one would Elenore request Drifter bring to date night

my vote? Khora

[feral barn]

First date? None, second date? Mirage

[pastel pasture]

Imagine if they added marriage and still let you mind wipe them to break up without words

[red hedge]

Is KIM bugged? Marie and I went from “Close” to “neutral” for some reason?!

[pastel pasture]

si, mucho

[quick smelt]

Nidus

[remote raft]

||I got my sun smooch today yeaaa||

Now I just need to find Uriel prex

[sharp kindle]

i see that im not the only one with KIM Bugged and not getting reset with the daily?

[heady dew]

Does anyone know how Thermostat Counter with Roathe works?

[hearty pendant]

affects the ending you get with him
challenging his views will increase the value, reinforcing his views will decrease it
||the higher the value, the better||

[heady dew]

So a bigger thermostat counter means he can go closer to a redemption?

Sounds like I kinda screwed that up with our last chat lol cuz I played along with his “favorite killing method” dialogue

[hearty pendant]

iirc there's only one thermostat change in that convo and its at the very end

[heady dew]

I really want him to be not a villain cuz I can tell he isnt as terrible as he is made out to be

[hearty pendant]

to get the best ending, you have to have 5+ on the thermostat, and maybe some boolean stuff

[hearty pendant]

i misremembered lmao

[heady dew]

I just had a conversation with him that got me 4 points so i should be good

I want to do the stuff with the Entrati family too so hopefully i wont screw that up

Bruh why did Aoi disappear from my backroom

[tight fulcrum]

Imagine killing your girlfriend and then instantly getting the idea to make a cat girl with a whip

[flat loom]

Prolly kullervo, definitely the umbra to operator as kullervo is to the drifter

[tight fulcrum]

Nyx

[tight fulcrum]

I mean, does the drifter really have a connection to him? Kullervo it’s pretty much just a random Warframe that also happens to exist in. Duviri not necessarily a frame that he would have some sort of connection to like Umbra.

[pastel pasture]

Nyx is a bit of a weird one

but like....given Elenore's....Elenoreness. I could see her wanting to smooch on her own warframe strain

[uncut solar]

Reminder

[flat loom]

They don't, but they were sort of in the same situation just different circumstances

[tight fulcrum]

I mean, they do both have the self-made prison motive going on

[flat loom]

If the drifter did that, that's just bringing Eleanor with him, so by default the warframe is already her

But if she did request a different frame, prolly citrine

Eleanor likes jewels/rocks

[flat loom]

Yeeeeep that too

[tight fulcrum]

Maybe dagath

[flat loom]

Is the poly relationship canon in lore or just for us personally lol

[tight fulcrum]

I wonder what frame the other hex members would choose if given the same decision

Maybe limbo for Amir

[flat loom]

Amir's going to ask for gauss

Running buddies

[tight fulcrum]

I’m telling y’all we need a Proto frame that has Victor has the stalker

It would be so fire

Just make it an ash or Excalibur skin

[main comet]

Does anyone know which Isleweaver fragment is missing?

Based on the order, it should be number 7...
From that, can I find its location?

I've been to all the locations... I've watched tutorial videos... But I can't find it.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1455917792531320906/1455917793164787885/cats.png?ex=6957215b&is=6955cfdb&hm=7e04e4be60951181dd68fb562705feda40f5305c5312204744f6446b8dec5f65

[solid otter]

Is that the... uh. One next to the kaithe?

[flat loom]

There's a fragment next to the kaithe???

[solid otter]

.. yeah? I think so

[heavy flint]

I am loosing it over her Drifter/Arthur/Marie would be the cutest thing but Arthur’s ‘consent’ chat is so awful

Imagine an actual thoughtful discussion between Drifter and Arthur where they both assuage each others worries and decide mutually they’re okay with this and not just the drifter going ‘hi I found another person to date! Don’t worry still love you!’

[pastel pasture]

I can't wait until we go to Tau and Alad V manages to betray us again.

[heavy flint]

I’m writing a fix-it fic. I’m Aro as all heck so It’s going to be an eyesore but I doubt theyll fix it in game

[limpid gale]

I just discovered the “Kiss Marie” button. I love this update even more

[heavy flint]

Did you discover the cooldown

[limpid gale]

If he betrays us, does he still have the right to call us Betrayers?

[pastel pasture]

Actually okay with it: Elenore, Roathe (villain)

Says they are okay with it, is not: Roathe (redeemed), Amir

Okay with it as long as it's just flirting: Quincy, Marie

Would have to be convinced: Aoi

Not okay with it: Arthur, Lettie.

that is my opinion :3

[limpid gale]

sadly yes, but I discovered the “Record recent session” button on my xbox and recorded it

[solid otter]

All the consent convos are like that. Even worse, you can only trigger them if you cheat. And, you can actually ignore them.

[limpid gale]

Marie is so sweet, bless her heart.

[solid otter]

Pisses me off

Eh.

Honestly after that one argument she has i just do not like her

[heavy flint]

I think Amir might actually be okay with it, but yeah that’s about my opinion on the matter. …you see my problem, lol

[limpid gale]

I’ve legitimately began reading KIM messages outloud in the voice of their respective person.

[limpid gale]

That’s because she’s only seeing things black and white. You eventually have to help her see the bigger picture

[pastel pasture]

I could see it but I think Amir is the type to only agree out of fear he's the lesser choice

[heavy flint]

Yeah that would track… poor buddy

[solid otter]

She claimed to be the only daughter that forgave Albrecht. With out even meeting Mother.

[pastel pasture]

If you mean the Tagfer one ||you can convince her that she's been blinded and that some people have been unforgivably hurt by Entrati||

[solid otter]

On the behalf of mother, I am pissed.

[limpid gale]

I can’t help but play Paragon when it comes to games…

[abstract sorrel]

I might have to reset the entire triad

Fml

[heavy flint]

Either way I’m going to have to dig through the Arthur chats to see if he says anything about poly relationships…

[solid otter]

Lettie does. She doesnt like it. Straight up doesnt do that shit.

[limpid gale]

I haven’t even bothered dating both Hex and Cathedrále…i just reset everyone once Triad came out

[abstract sorrel]

Apparently despite the other option sounding WORSE, the way i responded to Roathe, despite putting me in a relationship with him and giving me the honoria triggered a fail state and now he’s set to anathema, so even though I have the romance lines and all that I can’t speak to him

So looks like I’ll have to reset the triad

Hooray.

[heavy flint]

Did you do all 21 of his voice messages?

[abstract sorrel]

Yes.

[limpid gale]

Don’t reset

Maybe DE can be able to patch it qnd it’ll fix itself

[heavy flint]

And yet she’ll ’accept’ you dating a triad member anyways… ughhhhhh DE why

[abstract sorrel]

I did everything I needed to do and also redeemed him

But apparently I messed it up at the very last second

[solid otter]

Im not particularly pressed on finishing the triad fully. Just enough to complete the reunion to the family

[main comet]

No...

[rancid pilot]

wait if you reset the Triad, does that also reset the descendia counter?

[abstract sorrel]

It’s just weird because it’s marked me still as close with him and everything

But I can’t talk to him

[solid otter]

Shit, then idk man 😭

[main comet]

Oooowwwn!
This! Here!
OmG!

[solid otter]

Ah

[limpid gale]

Chat, why are railjack relics more annoying to get? Because I’m trying to get Valkyr’s weapons she released with being Cernos and Venka. For some reasonC DE decided they should drop in 4 specific Railjack nodes

[solid otter]

Because DE listens to that side of the fanbase too much sometimes.

[main comet]

Thanks All!

[abstract sorrel]

It’s just weird

[heavy flint]

How about Drifter x Arthur, but Drifter also gets Marie and Arthur also gets Lyon. Let’s just go full chaos

[heavy flint]

Ugh I know

[solid otter]

Peak femme heirloom design was Mag ngl

[limpid gale]

I still hate that I missed out on the Mag heirloom

[hearty pendant]

it looks like the r5c3 'have you looked in the mirror lately' option causes ||RoatheFailUnloved to be set to true, then sets Villain and Redeemed to false||
looks like it is a reset, unfortunately

[solid otter]

Oh, I've counted my thermostat and I've gotten.. 9? Now

[rancid pilot]

so does the Thermostat determine redemption or romance?

[hearty pendant]

redemption

[solid otter]

Redemption, romance is individual from that

[rancid pilot]

ok, so I managed to get everything right with Roathe except romancing him

this is tearing me apart, I made everyone happy and they're gonna reunite loid with the family, but I don't get to romance roathe

[hearty pendant]

haven't counted mine but i feel like its around 8?

[rancid pilot]

and reseting them feels wrong

[solid otter]

Lol

Don't worry, you can reset after reuniting loid and he's still up there

[hearty pendant]

can just wait to see if the option exists in the cathedral when it gets fixed

[solid otter]

Its exhausting. My dumbass decided to do it at rank... 4? And I have all convos on. So many things.

[rancid pilot]

I thought as much, I still feel bad about reseting him, I might even get the convo where he asks about resets

[solid otter]

Dw, just dont lie to him iirc

[rancid pilot]

that seems to be the trend, transparency and sticking to what you believe

[pastel pasture]

me playing with memory issues

Listen Marie I'm just as surprised you are my opinions of Entrati flipflop

[solid otter]

My issue is that I do agree with a few things marie says about Albrecht

Which.

Isnt what the game wants me to do

Also the conversation where you can say that "Entrati doesn't think too highly of himself, either." Is a personal favourite bcs its the game acknowledging that Albrecht sees himself as a wet rag

"Noo Albrecht is egotistical and narcissistic nooo"

[abstract sorrel]

Wow

So I did everything right and then messed up at the end and now I have to do it all over again

Well there goes two weeks of my time

[abstract sorrel]

I’ll see

[gray dagger]

Never understood the thermostat counter, but I'm not resetting

[flat loom]

What is the thermostat and can you visually see it in the kim

[hearty pendant]

a hidden value that affects the ending with roathe
you can't, unless you repeat all of your convos in kimulacrum and find the value yourself

[flat loom]

Confusing and tempting, but I'll try if I ever decide to make everyone forget whatever happened.

Which I haven't really been doing because I worked hard for Eleanor

[pine eagle]

Roathe just... reset? He was "Close" with me just yesterday

[hearty pendant]

if the chats are there, probably just a visual bug

[pine eagle]

All previous chat history?? Yes its still there

this is his texts today

[hearty pendant]

ah
that was probably supposed to trigger anathema and did something weird instead

[eager dagger]

Are you doing the descendia?

[pine eagle]

Yeah I've been doing it weekly

It affects his KIM messages?

[hearty pendant]

yea. each VM increases a counter in the background
he'll criticize you below a certain level, ask you to stop around 18, etc
you need 21 for the end

[eager dagger]

Yes if you’re not repetitive about doing the final fight and unlocking more he sends you these types of messages but sometimes it’s also bugged and even if you’re on top of the descendia he’ll send them to you

[pine eagle]

how do i check those counters? the amount of VM he has sent?

[eager dagger]

More then likely, I did the full descendia today and as soon as I was done it was anathema

[eager dagger]

You can’t just every time you do the final descendia fight you should get a new VM

[hearty pendant]

what's the most recent he's sent

[abstract sorrel]

My new take

[eager dagger]

Ok so you can endlessly run the final boss fight to get all the VM’s you have a few left

[flat loom]

Ooo, so that's what the vm's look like

[hearty pendant]

PUNISHMENT is 10
you do get an honoria once you beat him 21 times

[abstract sorrel]

The Orokin Empire was doomed to fall even if the Tenno didn’t kill the Emperors and Executors

[flat loom]

Are they actual vm's tho

Like voice acted

[abstract sorrel]

It would’ve eaten itself from the inside out

[flat loom]

COOOL

I'm gonna grind descendia

I say that but I forgot about it the other day cause I was busy level capping on circuit fml

[pine eagle]

do i have to do it from lv1 or i can just do his boss fight directly? ive been doing it from the 1st lvl for both normal and steel path for the rewards >->

[eager dagger]

Yes, it was cooked to the point they were trying to leave the origin system they fugg’d it up too bad

[eager dagger]

No the Roathe fight at the end just run it over and over

[pine eagle]

does normal/steel path matter for the VM/honoria?

[eager dagger]

Every time you beat him you get a new VM till you know the full story of Roathe

[eager dagger]

I don’t think so but idk for sure I run it on normal

[hearty pendant]

it doesn't afaik. increases the counter regardless
though you do get a different honoria for a full sp solo run of descendia

[analog moat]

😔I regret being a fashion framer then a steel path builder sometimes

[abstract sorrel]

My question is now though

Who SHOULD rule the system

[hearty pendant]

i did it with valkyr w/o much trouble tbh

[abstract sorrel]

Someone needs to take the Orokin’s place eventually as master of mankind

Whether we wish it or not

[eager dagger]

Chaos more then likely- too many factions too many different visions it’ll always be a consummate war between us, the Corpus and the Grineer

[abstract sorrel]

That will lead to extinction

[eager dagger]

If not via war then via the indifference

[valid folio]

Is it bad that I want more XX99 content before they move to Tau?

2026 gives them the whole year to add Tau, I want them to just slide more content for the Devil's Triad and XX99

[flat loom]

I feel like they rushed the triad

[hearty pendant]

a bit
the old peace bit of the update was done fine, no giant issues there
but the triad could've used another month or two

[rain dew]

That would also mean delaying Descendia or at least like

[tame canopy]

Fortuna sweep 🤫

[rain dew]

Descendia would feel weird without the triad

[tame canopy]

[rain dew]

And that would also mean delaying the operation, making the December just kinda bare bones

[hearty pendant]

yea, unfortunately, the two halves are linked by uriel, so it can't really be split like that

[rain dew]

Yeah, they were all built to be packaged together

For better or worse

[tame canopy]

Reminder that in loid's pc, it's said that ballas' attempt at jumping to tau caused indifference activities to spike up for the whole system so once again, this pos needs to get killed again

lemme see if I can pull the pic again

there we go

portals, plural

[hearty pendant]

two to three times at least
lotus and operator
end of nw
teshin might've had a separate portal to lotus n operator's, dunno

[tame canopy]

I recall that teshin fell into the void too, but time shenanigans made it that he stayed there way longer than the og timeline of operator falling in, teshin might or might not got thrown into the same portal after he rejected the veil

I think it was one of the duviri lore frags

Anyway, im not surprised that ballas was recklessly opening void portals off screen, Idk if he knows about indifference, or frankly if he even cared if he did

he'll get a warm welcome from the sentients when he arrives

[flat loom]

Wait, how is it again that teshin is alive in duviri but dead in the origin system?

[eager dagger]

Can’t lie I’m over the 99 content the reading text lore instead of cutscenes - was not a fan let’s move to tau and get back to cutscenes for lore

[hearty pendant]

same teshin, he just fell into duviri

[tame canopy]

I inquired, and apparently that's same teshin

the weird hologram stand-in is a mystery though

[flat loom]

I really need to finish replaying the quests

[tame canopy]

nah this info came from duviri lore frags iirc

[flat loom]

Mf cause I remember erra breaking his neck

[tame canopy]

one of the lore frags said they found him barely alive, and mathilda dragged him out and nursed him back to health

[hearty pendant]

his dialogue alludes to it once, then there's a duviri thing that mentions it
teshin says something like "through the eye of a storm. i'm not sure if i was dead or alive at the time."

[valid folio]

No I mean more expanded like cutscenes and stuff regarding XX99, I feel like establishing a plot point in the period it is and immediately stepping over it feels wrong to me, besides I also don't want them to suffer the roundtable fate

[hearty pendant]

he's kinda 0-2 on the dax he's done that to
the dax in the Erra cutscene is more than likely varzia, who is obviously fine, and then he does it to teshin later and he also survives

[eager dagger]

He doesn’t break his neck he crushes his helmet and some how he ends up in duviri and purple girl nurses him back to health

[flat loom]

Dax are built different ig

[rain dew]

Teshin also has his narmer veil on a random table when you meet him in Duviri

It is the same Teshin, he never died

[tame canopy]

From wiki
Scholar's Landing

In all the ages of Thrax's reign, only two strangers have ever known to come to Duviri.

One was the monk, Teshin, who fell from the sky into the lake on the island we now call Hermit's Landing. Seemingly lifeless, he was dragged ashore by Mathila who nursed his return to health. I have never known a constitution to match his; yet unlike us, he has... deteriorated... with the passing of time.

The other stranger came far earlier in Thrax's reign, before even the Bleeding Earth.

[tame canopy]

They are built different, iirc

they're basically a class of bodyguard humans

not unlike grineer being a genetically engineered labor force

[hearty pendant]

teshin's been around for the entire collapse. iirc he says that he was never in stasis

[flat loom]

I CAST, OROKIN WINTER SOLDIER CODES jkjk

[eager dagger]

That’s what’s going to happen - they over extended the Kim system and triad at the very very end of the 99 season so more then likely that’s where this is going once tau kicks off but that won’t be till nov or December 2026 so at least there’s time

[sharp kindle]

is there no video of the Loid cutscene?
my game bugged today so i dont get to talk to him yet even though its meant to be today

[flat loom]

Sick af, fell thru a portal lived to tell the tale

[tame canopy]

oh I actually saw this dialogue when you interact with his conclave menu

[hearty pendant]

i've not seen a clip shared anywhere yet, no

[eager dagger]

On his face he also has void corruption similar to the zariman crew so idk if it’s him or what

[valid folio]

I suppose I really didn't say it well, I mainly just want them to return to XX99, if Tau comes before it, by all means but I just want them to return to XX99 and not throw it in there and forget it - I love these characters too much tbh, they've really grown on me

[rain dew]

It’s him

[eager dagger]

Nope you get nothing after all that it’s just in texts

[tame canopy]

holfast's void corruption looks different, tbh, more silvery on coloration and it covers itself in sort of bigger blots of color

[tame canopy]

it is the same teshin in the og system

[sharp kindle]

do we atleast have the family dialouges?

[tame canopy]

If I have to guess, he's probably suffering from general aging and maybe being in a dimension not exactly intended for someone like him to be around for so long?

[eager dagger]

Think of it this way that’s what they’ve done with every update , railjack, new war , protector stalker, etc. DE introduced new stuff and then doesn’t touch it after - it’s how they are

[eager dagger]

Nope 🙃

[hearty pendant]

literally returning to the entrati family after 5 years:

[tame canopy]

We're getting entrati family interactions per loid scene so idk if that applies anymore, yeah

[sharp kindle]

tbf albrecht is one of the main drivers of the entire WF universe.

[hearty pendant]

• i've definitely heard of a cutscene for loid + the family, idk what he's on about

[tame canopy]

now I hope other older systems gets some touch up too

like rj lmao

[eager dagger]

And here we learn why not to talk to strangers outside our seriglass bell

[tame canopy]

In his defense he fell off the bell iirc and wally copied a part of his whole lab and face before interacting with him

[hearty pendant]

i mean, its not like he had much of a choice
bell broke a little bit

[eager dagger]

Rj was hinted at but I won’t hold my breath. I love that system but it could be so much better

[tame canopy]

yeah and in the requiem with the experiement he even thought he's gonna die after the bell's broken iirc

[eager dagger]

Stay on the not broken side and don’t talk to strangers 🫣

[tame canopy]

damm, guess orokin families don't teach children well fr fr 🤫

[hearty pendant]

• he didn't even talk to it, wally took the memories straight out of his head

[valid folio]

I mean I never really felt new war was left behind, it's a very determined point in the story, a lot of plot lines use it as a base and that's just the nature of story progression in that case. But XX99 feels like they either set it up prior as like whisper in the Walls was to 1999, Tau could be much further down the line because it's something to get people excited for the year but I doubt the entire year up to the point of Nov-Dec would be all without content no?

I suppose I just like the themes it could bring, I really liked 1999 because of the weird yet familiar setting it established and I suppose just because I like the Triad so much, I want them to have their 1999 level of depth too

[tame canopy]

Ngl mulling over TNW it's crazy how the sentients decisively won against all the major factions but don't even wanna touch the fully infested planets like deimos or eris

[sharp kindle]

no one likes the infestation.

[eager dagger]

Ok, then don’t talk to strangers and keep your memories inside your head , simple fix

[sharp kindle]

heck technically speaking our armors which are infestation dont even like infestation..

[hearty pendant]

at this point just don't break into the damn Nothing Dimension, what's the fun in that

[eager dagger]

In tiers of dangerous to Sentients it’s us then the infestation so ofc they won’t touch that

[sharp kindle]

"nothing dimension"
looks inside
something

[tame canopy]

infestation too uggo to be invited into the narmer veil gc

imagine mutualist narmer veil bruh

💀

[eager dagger]

“Don’t break in to the nothing dimension” Tenno do’s and don’ts a codex

[hearty pendant]

nothing valuable there + the infestation is seemingly effective against sentients, so

[eager dagger]

😰

[sharp kindle]

Hivemind vs hivemind

[eager dagger]

And the ancients are just infested Orokin so at that point.zz

[rain otter]

The Infested even if the sentients are "immune" to it for now it is a endlessly replicating infection.

That we can't truly kill. Also the boss in the derelict was a weapon against them.

[eager dagger]

I honestly love the concept of all those ships around infested planets just listless infested and drifting in space - the maps are boring but the concept is cool

[rain otter]

Some of our best friends and allies are infestion.

[tardy acorn]

I love all of the things that Roathe reveals to us, I think hes gonna be pivotal in aftually fighting the indifference

[tame canopy]

Im surprised we dont have a jordas golem-esque army cruising around and orbiting the planet they're on

[rain otter]

That's why they should UPDATE THE TILES. Also infested RJ.

[sharp kindle]

infestation that also hates the infestation...

[rain otter]

This isn't true.

[solid otter]

Vome and Fass:

[sharp kindle]

which friends are we speaking here

[eager dagger]

His story is wild

[hearty pendant]

something about white blood cells idr what lizzie said

[tardy acorn]

so tempted to romance him strictly because of how good his story was but I hate men and marie is right there

[sharp kindle]

helminth is Domesticated infestation

[rain otter]

Vome and Fass I think is literally to prod more infested evolution.

[solid otter]

Ehh, they're still against each other violently

[eager dagger]

Oh I don’t touch the romance it’s weird - I just think it’s cool to have a playable Orokin general

[tardy acorn]

vome and fass are proof that the infestations hivemind can work against itself

[rain otter]

It is still connected to the hive mind. It just thinks working with us

Is the best option seemingly.

[sharp kindle]

thats just vome and fass.

they hate eachother enough that the hivemind cant do anything

its 50 cent level hating.

[tardy acorn]

missing out, warframe is unironically one of the best social sims ive played in a while

[rain otter]

Cuz Through Lizzie who talks about subsuming and is helminth and The actual helmith in our ship. We know they are still connected to all the Infested.

[eager dagger]

Nah I’ve seen a lot of it and it’s done super weird I just want the lore and a good sci-fi game not trying to give an NPC deep strokes

[rain otter]

They just work with us for SOME REASON.

[tardy acorn]

my favorite part about the devils triad is how seriously the writing takes them, theyre finally taking advantage of the games M Rating, and I LOVE the adult topics and content

[rain otter]

The fact it can see through all time probably helps.

[eager dagger]

Isn’t the helminth in our ship grey strain?

[rain otter]

Maybe working with us is how they survivor

[rain otter]

No. Older.

[tardy acorn]

iirc the grey strain is the modern one and is the most adaptable, helminth is named after the strain that makes warframes, the helminth

[rain otter]

Well "modern"

[hearty pendant]

the helminth is helminth
separate strains

[eager dagger]

I was under the impression the goofy goober in our ship was grey strain and that’s why it’s basically safe to have

[rain otter]

Grey strain happens after warframes exist.

[eager dagger]

Isn’t grey strain what makes warframes?

[rain otter]

Cuz like Critine was there.

[tardy acorn]

nope, helminth

[hearty pendant]

gray strain is the strain on deimos, it makes things big

[rain otter]

How would the Critine story make sense

[eager dagger]

Ah ok helminth makes frames

[rain otter]

If warframes where grey strain

[rain otter]

And upkeeps them.

[eager dagger]

They’re helminth

[rain otter]

Yee.

[hearty pendant]

at their core, the vessels are helminth + gray strain

[eager dagger]

????!

[rain otter]

I'm saying The grey strain is from diemos which happens after warframes are made.

[tardy acorn]

helminth is like if the first ever human being decided he was just gonna be every humans Great Great Grandfather who had a horrible case of PICA

[eager dagger]

The vessels are tech with one infested room

[sharp kindle]

Helminth is a different strain.

its literally the helminth strain

[rain otter]

One?

They are super infested and fleshy.

[eager dagger]

Never seen it outside the door and that room that’s it

[rain otter]

What

What do you think vessels are

[sharp kindle]

Grey strain biggest property is it also doesnt like the infestation (it basically causes infighting to make stuff evolve but saying it like that is funnier)

[hearty pendant]

-# "It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Grey Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged in me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents of Warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary... Assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found.

-# Not long after, the first of my Vessels took form. A giant to battle giants, merging the humanity of the man Arthur, the anatomical perfection of Ballas's Warframes, and the titanic potency of the Grey Strain. My saviors."

[eager dagger]

The infestation on the orbiter is only slightly passed the door and in that one room

[rain otter]

The vessels they meant

Are the things in The labs.

[eager dagger]

Oh I’m taking the orbiter lmfao not vessels

[rain otter]

this is true. It does upkeep our warframes though.

[sharp kindle]

Grey strain also yes has the property of being ginormous

[tardy acorn]

I like that roathe gives us an idea of what being a protoframe is truely like, since Flare hinted to us that you eventually just become the standard batch warframe after however many years, imagine what its like slowly losing yourself over millenia

[sharp kindle]

depends could be you become Umbra eventually

like

[tardy acorn]

i think ballas made umbra on purpose

[sharp kindle]

as in

[tardy acorn]

the burning memory was kept on purpose, all the other frames we learn about dont have a mind

[night grail]

Yeah???

[solid otter]

Well, they do, don't they?

[eager dagger]

It’s a guaranteed death - it’s why I don’t think it makes sense he choice it willingly

[rain otter]

Umbra only had a single memory on purpose and was trapped in a moon for 1000 years.

I feel like this isn't gonna happen to roathe.

[eager dagger]

Correct the quest tells us that

[sharp kindle]

it is interesting though how some frames get talked about as if just the frame and not the operator.

like eldonte for the Levirian in his disruption.

[rain otter]

Like i assume flare will slowly like "lose themselves" and then become the qarframe over a longer time.

[tardy acorn]

or jade :(

[rain otter]

Also flare will have let us transference into them.

[sharp kindle]

imagine lizzie living with that

[sharp kindle]

stalker is also an example

[rain otter]

But umbra like Was MADE to RELIVE the memory over and over and then LOCKED INTO THE MOON.

[tardy acorn]

I think Lizzie acts like a surrogate for them, assimilating their personality in order to preserve it

[eager dagger]

That’s basically what happens on the astroid he is fully consumed

[rain otter]

They

[sharp kindle]

wonder if our godson will be important or hes just chill.

heck can a warframe baby grow even?

[tardy acorn]

cuz flare mentions that lizzie would be in charge of waking them up

[tardy acorn]

If that baby becomes playable im gonna die laughing

[hearty pendant]

they

[solid otter]

*they

[rain otter]

Also yes that's why I said that. But flare is they.

[tardy acorn]

KITGUN EQUIVALENT FOR WARFRAMES AND ITS THAT BABY

[rain otter]

If you don't know why Look at Davod Bowie for 2 second.

[sharp kindle]

what a horrible godfather/mother you are

[eager dagger]

He’s consumed on the astroid , all the protoframes will be consumed they all end up base models

[rain otter]

They

Flare is nonbinary

[eager dagger]

Baby’s first kit gun

[rain otter]

Lizzie is she though which is cool.

[tardy acorn]

yup whatever im taking my amalgamation of warframe parts that would give xaku ptsd and asking rude zuud to name it something stupid

[rain otter]

Why did you do this

After being corrected?

[sharp kindle]

xaku is just mostly mag parts. think about it.

[rain otter]

Read the second line of what I said.

[eager dagger]

Xaku prime is so disappointing was hoping we would get Rampart

[tardy acorn]

thats gotta be one messed up mag

[eager dagger]

???

[rain otter]

I like Xaku prime

They are also cool.

[sharp kindle]

Mag that pulls weapons instead of the corpse

[eager dagger]

We could have gotten the 3 original frames that make it up and rampart looks insane

[tardy acorn]

xaku prime is one of few frames that I didnt customize much because they just look that cool

[rain otter]

Flare is nonbinary and thus they.

[solid otter]

Flare is specifically themed after Ziggy stardust. You know "starman"?

[rain otter]

Yee. Starman wait in a comet.

[tardy acorn]

you dont have to go for it, its stated on the character description

[rain otter]

That doesn't matter?

It's cannon. What do you want?

Oh Albretchs not gay anymore cuz you don't go for that.

[valid pulsar]

DESPAIR

Help ples :(

[sharp kindle]

rest in peace

[eager dagger]

You can fix it in the next chat cycle

[sharp kindle]

no nun for you

[tardy acorn]

and this is why we dont lie about believing in god to crack the nuns, folks

[valid pulsar]

[valid pulsar]

The nun was not worth getting baptized

[eager dagger]

Don’t crack the NPCs 🫣

[solid otter]

Shrimple as that.

[rain otter]

You're in a game where we help people in medical debt against Capitlists. Who's main way we do that is through a trans woman. We beat A Cthulu esq figure with gay old man love.

[sharp kindle]

yknow an issue is they keep telling you hey shes not stupid just blind so dont go too hard in 1 direction

[rain otter]

But using they is too far?

[tardy acorn]

the moral of warframes story is old man yaoi

[rain otter]

I can't figure out singular they when though Shakespeare used it

It's too hard.

[eager dagger]

I thought she was just crippled

[hearty pendant]

cool, you're not worth speaking to. you've made it easy

[eager dagger]

Do you bud

[solid otter]

Actually

Moderator time

[rain otter]

@eager dagger like the game says your wrong.

[tardy acorn]

flare is such a good litmus test holy

[rain otter]

Like in conversations with Flare they can even talk about it.

[solid otter]

<@&778745217037238293> come deal with the rando transphobe

[rain otter]

OR even your own character the Drifter your Character Meatball.

Says that gender isn't real. When talking to some NPCs.

[hearty pendant]

i don't think that is really worth a mod ping, alas its been done

[tardy acorn]

I cant wait for the albrecht kim conversations and albrecht romance featuring loid hating you forever

[rain dew]

bigoted wf players never cease to amaze me

[tardy acorn]

warframe is one of the most inherently trans games ive played like youre so fluid its insane

[solid otter]

How are you are a warframe player, a lore fan, and this dumb?

[eager dagger]

The family will be the bigger issues

[solid otter]

God.

[tardy acorn]

mfs will see you literally transferring your entire conciousness into another person or what used to be a pwrson regardless of identity, taking on their personality and mannerisms, and still be bigoted

[rain otter]

I mean I'm just saying like your own character says gender isn't real. We have characters saying capitalism is bad xenophobia is bad. Like idk dawg. You're playing a game that the main plot thread is talking to a man's gay lover who is also his butler to find this old man to use love to fight The manifestation of indifference.

[eager dagger]

They’re just Warframes being subsumed completed or not - that’s why we can control them

[rain otter]

You know like the indifference you are showing currently.

[tardy acorn]

thats my favorite piece of warframe lore btw, the drifter emulating the original warframe's personality

[rain otter]

And how like accepting other people

Is good.

And how any kind of love is used go fight the indifference.

But you wanna go like "nah"?

[eager dagger]

And?

[tardy acorn]

bro plays with his torid and doesnt consume his media

[rain otter]

Flare is literally a proto frame you talk to.

[rain otter]

Do you not consume the media

Do you not understand the message.

[tardy acorn]

the hoops people jump through

[eager dagger]

Yes but they will all be consumed there is no way around that beyond looping them over and over otherwise all of them end up base frames

[rain otter]

So?

[solid otter]

So the warframes you call she and he aren't important either?

Those pronouns aren't important right

[rain otter]

You will eventually crumble into dust does that make you matter less?

[solid otter]

Because they get consumed

[rain otter]

Also YOU USED they see it's possible

[eager dagger]

Do you have a point? Game is game brother man

[rain otter]

I knew you could do basic grammer.

[tardy acorn]

bait used to be believable

[eager dagger]

Point?

[rain otter]

YOU'RE IN THE LORE SPOILER CHAT.

[eager dagger]

For multiple people

[rain otter]

Flares gender is lore. So is Tickers.

[rain dew]

Bro’s literally just plugging their ears and going ‘lalalala’

[rain otter]

Nah.

I think it was 1 person.

[night grail]

Is now a bad time

[rain otter]

Nah.

[eager dagger]

Yes multiple protoframes they (more then one) will all be consumed

[solid otter]

So stop calling warframe he then. Or she. I can call them whatever I want right? Wisp is a man now.

[rain otter]

What's your question?

[rain otter]

Just one.

[tardy acorn]

he/him marie leroux make it happen

[solid otter]

Bet, genderswap time

[night grail]

Now just to enter the chat with the whole, one guy

[rain dew]

time to forcefem roathe

[eager dagger]

That all?

[rain otter]

I've been trying to pull for A transman lavos.

[solid otter]

Hey I can do that

I can draw I can do a lot

[rain otter]

What is your question?

[tardy acorn]

now I actually want to see how the context and themes of the writing of marie and lyon would change if their genders were swapped

[night grail]

I don't have any at the moment

[eager dagger]

I actually wish we got some crumb off Lore off Lavos prime but no trailer alas

[tardy acorn]

that would go so hard

[night grail]

I mean we did

[solid otter]

Well it does fit the pre-established idea of dualism, Nuns being for lua and Sol being for Priests

[night grail]

Not much but we know that he primed himself

[rain otter]

Do you? Cuz you seem to not care about lore.

[solid otter]

Wow mods really didnt respond by now

[rain otter]

It is

[eager dagger]

Yeah but it was text give me a trailer give us more story

[rain otter]

2 am

[night grail]

Which opens the door for temple to prime themself, which is in character

[solid otter]

That's. Disappointing

[rain otter]

To be fair.

On new years.

[eager dagger]

Thanks for your input

[tardy acorn]

i can see temple priming themself purely by calling themself temple prime and nothing else changing

[solid otter]

I mean yeah but I know for a fact that there's an Australian mod and it's currently 7:30pm

[tardy acorn]

uriel prime in 16 years is gonna be dope tho

[rain otter]

I'm gonna go hang with Ticker. God tickers so cool a great trans woman Character.

[eager dagger]

If thinks keep normal he should have started as a prime

[solid otter]

Still waiting for a transman as a character but I do feel like that is a bit of a complex issue (once again trans men are forgotten 💔/j)

[tardy acorn]

i have a theory that uriel prime was roathe's ex lover, and thats why he was so eager to take the serum other than the given reasons

[night grail]

Part of their whole thing is sticking it to "the man" and it just fits perfectly to appropriate the aestheic of "the man" (the orokin)

[rain otter]

I can't like worry about that too much it. I feel like people have more schedules than we realize.

[rain otter]

I think at some point we will get someone like that.

[tardy acorn]

it'll definitely happen, i bet rebecca just needs the idea of who theyd do

[eager dagger]

I just hope they keep the helmet once we get him

[rain otter]

Idk when but at some point probably.

Pulling for Lavos proto still.

[tardy acorn]

yup, or better yet temple prime is entirely silver

[solid otter]

Praying for one last round of protos and its Lavos, Limbo and a new nerd frame (or Dante) 💔

[tardy acorn]

Lavos Limvo and Dante and its just a polycule for loid because hes such a nerd and deserves the attention

[rain dew]

I will make a sacrifice in Rebb’s name for a yareli proto

[solid otter]

Unfortunately I think Loid is a little too devoted to Albrecht for that one

[tardy acorn]

yareli and nokko proto siblings to canonize the "nokko is like yarelis brother" joke they made to the devs i beg

[rain otter]

I can't wait

[eager dagger]

More protos means more Kim instead of cut scene so I’d prob shy away from more protoframes they’re over doing it as is imho

[rain otter]

For nokko prime

[hearty pendant]

i think i'm most interested in a xaku or valkyr proto

[rain dew]

I will also take a consolation Dagath proto

[rain otter]

This one is hard

[tardy acorn]

xaku proto and its a representation of DID, that would be amazing

[rain otter]

Cuz like what's she gonna have

A headhole

[solid otter]

I still firmly believe that if a limbo proto exists, it would be Loid

[tardy acorn]

caliban proto dropping with tau would be sick too

[tardy acorn]

i think loid would take a qorvex batch, since that was albrechts own warframe

[hearty pendant]

i'm more interested in the 'body horror' aspect for xaku
showing how horrific the transformation into a warframe can be

[rain otter]

The prime in my mind is easy cuz we would go more "ghostly" and actually see the head like um the gylph

But idk about Proto that would be hard.

[solid otter]

Ehh design wise it would make more sense for him to be a limbo (look at limbo prime and look at Loid)

[eager dagger]

For there to be a proto you gotta attach Albrect somehow and going to tau I can’t see that being the thing

[tardy acorn]

maybe the xaku proto was made with an orokin that failed continuity with a yuvan so its both personalities warring with eachother

[solid otter]

I can see loid being a proto by his own hand

[rain otter]

Like the prime will probably have the ghost face.

[night grail]

I like that lyon's lore ties into harrow :)
If we get other protos with previous lore i hope it's relevant or at least mentioned

[sharp kindle]

wouldnt work lore wise

Xaku is made from parts in the void hes not a batch

[night grail]

They

[solid otter]

Gets infested from visiting the family, needs to inject himself w a proto strain to keep himself from degrading further

[rain otter]

This is the face in the tomb. @rain dew

If you wanted to know.

[tardy acorn]

somebody post that one venom meme

[eager dagger]

Hes 3 separate base batch frames

[sharp kindle]

i'd love to but the Version i have would get me banned

Xaku Prime was Primed using prime technology Same as 🅱️idus

[rain otter]

THE orokin he talks about is called "THE BLOOD QUEEN" and has the guruda symbol.

[tardy acorn]

our pronouns are they them because we're literally three people

[night grail]

"For the last time, Tenno. We are not they/them because we are nonbinary but because we are literally 3 warframes"

[tardy acorn]

oh my god if nitokh is proto garuda id scream

id actually scream

[rain otter]

Chat just so y'all know. Xaku also they them.

[solid otter]

Xaku is pretty

[rain otter]

SHE HAS THE SAME SYMBOL AND IS CALLED THE BLOOD QUEEN

[tardy acorn]

it has to happen

i need that now, UGH I NEED THAT NOW

we didnt even get garuda lore for the vallis undermind, they have to be saving it for a nitokh reveal

[solid otter]

Niktoh and Roathe meeting each other again might be a bad idea

[night grail]

What symbol

[tardy acorn]

talons versus tail, make it happen

[eager dagger]

Xaku , if things stay normal would be 3 primes going in to the void

[solid otter]

Albrecht is sitting here living for the drama i guess

[solid otter]

... no

[rain otter]

Her staff.

[hearty pendant]

its uhh
on nitokh's scepter/staff thing? and the blood altar icon iirc

[tardy acorn]

I think Nitokh taking the garuda serum out of fear because she learned roathe lived would be amazing

[solid otter]

They were evidently primed later down the line

[night grail]

On Garuda

[eager dagger]

Yes

[rain dew]

Conversely, I would also take a Garuda proto if no yareli or dagath

[tardy acorn]

I've never wanted a proto more than nitokh garuda now

[hearty pendant]

the central bit

[solid otter]

Okay but they didnt go in as 3 primes. They went in as 3 normal warframes. That's how base xaku exists.

[eager dagger]

The parts are all prime part Xaku’s build is from these 3 frames

[night grail]

Its similar but sure is not the same

[rain otter]

Also I know

Roathe calls

Her the blood queen.

[eager dagger]

Base Xaku is us rebuilding Xaku prime Xaku is made of prime parts from those prime frames

[tardy acorn]

Itll give them an excuse to write more roathe which is always great

[sharp kindle]

BallASS proto and we just make him caliban for shits and giggles.

[tardy acorn]

imagine we first learn about protonitokh through roathe freaking out

[night grail]

What the hell are you talking about

[solid otter]

Uhh.

No. Do you have a source for this?

Or is it just an assumption

[sharp kindle]

Xaku prime didnt exist.

we made him the same way we made Nidus Prime.

[eager dagger]

Source is prime Xaku

[night grail]

I hope nitokh isnt a protoframe or anything because not everything has to be related

[solid otter]

Uh. A quote maybe?

[eager dagger]

What are you talking about?

[tardy acorn]

but making her Garuda would be so cool

[solid otter]

You really did just pull a "its in the game bro"

[rain otter]

Xaku is they btw.

[eager dagger]

The physical model

[solid otter]

... what about it?

[night grail]

Idk it would kinda cheaper her mystique to me

[rain otter]

Nidus prime Ballas just chucked on a astroroid

[hearty pendant]

i think if there's a connection at all, the most likely thing is that garuda was made for/in the image of nitokh
maybe as a commission

[rain otter]

Until he came back.

[rain dew]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[night grail]

Yeah that would be fine

[eager dagger]

Stare at it, then go read its story, then stare at it again, then come back to chat.

[solid otter]

It doesnt have much if anything that suggests it was the first lmfao

I want you to actually link what you're saying buddy

[tardy acorn]

Id be satisfied with both avenues, i just find it strange that we get an update all about the fungus of the orb vallis, the place where eudico said she found Garudas blueprint, yet got zero lore on her, she has to be important

[solid otter]

Because you sound pretty schiz rn

[rain otter]

@sharp kindle I know you probably didn't mean any ill intent and that is fine but just so you know

[tardy acorn]

and now we have a new character, called "blood queen" by roathe

[rain otter]

[tardy acorn]

it would be so fitting

[night grail]

Roathe does mention "At first, the Warframes seemed more of an artistic statement than a legitimate weapon."

[sharp kindle]

its just a habit to call he or she i dont really differentiate here since most frames are gendered.

[rain otter]

Yee

[eager dagger]

Here step by step instructions - login to your warframe client, go to the armory look at prime Xaku, then pull up the lore to Xaku on your computer read it, look back at prime Xaku, then read it again - then come back to chat

[solid otter]

And like. Im schizo over warframe shit most of the time. I was the guy who figured out it was a loid chat in the screenie of the new way to reset protos

[sharp kindle]

"The child of war and void is reborn in gold. That which was once shattered may rise stronger than that which was never broken."

[solid otter]

That's not a source buddy.

[night grail]

You really are a prick damn

[solid otter]

I need you to go to the wiki, and get the exact thing, and paste it here.

[hearty pendant]

"reborn in gold" really makes it sound like the prime came after, doesn't it.

[solid otter]

Mhm.

[sharp kindle]

because it quite literally did.

we can still prime stuff. prime technology exists.

[solid otter]

There's a chance the entrati just got it primed by ballas later on

[eager dagger]

Dude words won’t hurt me 🤣 but don’t worry I won’t lower myself to your level and name call 🙂

[night grail]

Well yeah she headed the warmongering group of the Seven it makes sense

[eager dagger]

Already gave you instructions bud

[solid otter]

No but you're being patronising, so you might as well be.

[hearty pendant]

comes from the relics, though. so it existed during the orokin empire's reign

[sharp kindle]

"Mutation is endless. The ravening plague-bearer returns in a long-unseen form, seething with a primal strain of the Infestation."

[sharp kindle]

relics are more game mechanic

[tardy acorn]

i just want more love for the orb vallis frames, nokko and yareli got alot of love but theres not much for baruuk hildryn and garuda

[sharp kindle]

also they are quantum django

[eager dagger]

Shouldn’t you be working on those step by step instructions I gave you?

[solid otter]

Shouldn't you be getting the source or are you too stupid to look at the wiki.

And yeah, I did it. Doesn't show shit man.

So now im asking you what exactly you mean

[rain otter]

This is fine. But a habits gotta start somehow you know? This might stick in my craw a little more just cuz my partner is nonbinary and really likes to me called they so I am noticing stuff like this more lmao. I already did it often before though lmao.

[eager dagger]

You let me know when you carried out those instructions bud, good luck

[solid otter]

from what im reading, your statement doesnt make sense.

[tardy acorn]

i mean if we're gerting technical, the only frame you actually build with multiple frame parts is base chroma, not even xaku

[hearty pendant]

they are actual relics from the orokin era, though
the stuff in them is all from that era. its part of why we know rev prime existed then

[rain otter]

Also I don't mean this is in bad way just yapping.

[solid otter]

So, now im asking you, what is your interpretation that allows your belief

[eager dagger]

You read xakus storyy rn?

[rain otter]

Just talking yapping chilling.

[sharp kindle]

"Fixed a duplicate Lith L6 Relic being released with Gyre Prime.

Her new Relic is now Lith L7! (... 6.... 7)"

im uninstalling. this is what i get blasted with when opening the void relic wiki page

[rain otter]

Lmao

[night grail]

"Xaku's story" and it's: like 2 paragraphs

[hearty pendant]

horrific

[solid otter]

Yup. So. What are you meaning. What is the thing you are referring to.

[eager dagger]

So an easy read

[solid otter]

Because ive read it, and uh

[rain otter]

I hate 67 but it annoying people is funny.

[solid otter]

Doesnt really show shit

[eager dagger]

And you have Xaku prime pulled up in your armory?

[solid otter]

I have a photo of them, yes.

[hearty pendant]

its like. 'warframes lost on entrati void expeditions return as xaku' or whatever. that's it

[solid otter]

I cant see the connection chief.

[sharp kindle]

they could also be that we make them.

same way..

"They say the contents of a Relic are simultaneously this thing, or this thing, or this thing, but also that thing and certainly never just one thing.

That is until it's exposed to a Void Fissure? And at that point, all the possibilities collapse, each one falling away until the Relic cracks open and exposes one, singular thing. "

[eager dagger]

And you’re looking at it with both eyes rn?

[solid otter]

I am blind in one, but I can certainly try.

[eager dagger]

You got this I believe in you

[solid otter]

Can't see shit unless its 10 feet away

[tardy acorn]

please be a harrow main please be a harrow main please be a harrow main

[eager dagger]

Fugg 🤣🤣

[solid otter]

BAHAHAH Nah im a jade main

[tardy acorn]

based

[solid otter]

Jade and Yareli

[sharp kindle]

Its quantum shenanigans at play + void nothing stops you from "Willing" the xaku part that we primed into existence. we certainly Took Weapons out of the void and can use them.

[tardy acorn]

youre my new favorite person in this server i love yareli

[solid otter]

I cant skateboard but I can rollerskate

[tardy acorn]

i have an entire corner in my backroom dedicated to her lol

[solid otter]

I have the Albrecht shrine

[tardy acorn]

they really made a fake yareli proto for the starfinder collab and expected to get away with ut

[solid otter]

The Albrecht shrine + the cavia and loid

[tardy acorn]

stupid old man

[solid otter]

Im a normal person

[sharp kindle]

Yareli Proto but shes gotta be the Prime Batch.

[solid otter]

Im a normal well adjusted person

[sharp kindle]

i love her dress but yareli prime is just so goddamn peak

[tardy acorn]

im way worse with yareli i have every single community display and like all of her glyphs

oh both noggles too

[solid otter]

Do you know how to get that Loid decoration? Do you know how weird it was 😭

[sharp kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287

[solid otter]

Its not even on the wiki afaik

[sharp kindle]

may or may not be the same

[eager dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-annoyed-benedict-cumberbatch-smh-hmph-gif-26468095

[tardy acorn]

if i was on id screenshot the yareli corner but just know everything possible thats yareli related is on display in my backroom

[solid otter]

You have to search the update site of whispers for the grimoires. Kalymos is involved.

Its so weird

[tardy acorn]

all that for the one man to survive twink death

[solid otter]

Yeah.

Yeah... limbo :[

[sharp kindle]

Chroma is not bad (hes just EXTREMELY UNFITTING FOR HIS THEME)

[solid otter]

He survived twinkdeath from using orokin skincare stolen from Albrecht

[eager dagger]

Oh chroma 😭 one of the coolest idea for a frame that just never got the TLC from the devs he needs

[tardy acorn]

and still is a twink with a full goatee, how the hell does he do it

[sharp kindle]

hes basically a different flavour of OG rhino

[tardy acorn]

loid is goals actually

[solid otter]

Pampered man cat, that's why

[night grail]

Chroma isnt the worst warframe ever functionally but he commits an even worse sin: being boring

[hearty pendant]

no no, don't you know?

[tardy acorn]

istg roathe has said something like this

[solid otter]

Reminder that Loid's animation idle has him checking his nails.

His nails, that are under gloves.

[eager dagger]

He functional to a point but not fun to play in his current state the idea of his kinda frame tho could be really cool if he gets a rework

[tardy acorn]

all of roathes comments about loid made me howl, especially when he calls him a bottom in your first ever conversation with him

[sharp kindle]

he is really strong.

nigh unkillable.
gives a ton of Damage to team
and gives DR support.

[tardy acorn]

x-slay vision

[solid otter]

Its in the interrogation cutscene

[solid otter]

NO I REFUSE LOID ISNT A BOTTOM

God just cuz hes a twink doesn't mean hes a bottom smh

[sharp kindle]

Listen All i know is Grandmother was a baddie

[eager dagger]

He just needs a rework leave vex alone and give him some offensive abilities and tweak his four so it follows you without the mod

[tardy acorn]

i mean, have you seen the way that man acts

[sharp kindle]

Have you seen how Roathe speaks about her?

[tardy acorn]

"ill.. just put all this back then" that man does not wear any pants

[sharp kindle]

Roathe: Although I am honestly far more surprised at "Grandmother" being unable to work it out. (Imagine, giving away a perfectly good name like Dagath.) I thought she had more sense in her than that.

[solid otter]

Grandmother and loid definitely used to drink tea and talk shit together

[tardy acorn]

I hc that even before the good ending of the devils triad that grandmother knew and still shoots the shit with loid

[sharp kindle]

got flagged LMAO

[solid otter]

No but he has absolutely smacked the shit out of Albrecht before

[peak heath]

From the Roathe convo about whether the drifter could take on the operators, I imagine the drifter isn't deep in the command structure to know the exact tenno headcount. They estimate around 100, but I think that is a drastic undercount due to the drifter's relative lack of exposure being fresh on the block.

Plus the larger clan's having a thousand or so people.

[sharp kindle]

Loid is too much of a wimp to go up to talk to her.

she defo knows though she makes it quite clear

[tardy acorn]

yeah in a "this is for almost dying.... and this is for coming back..." way

[hearty pendant]

yes, thank you
the words that i can't put together

[eager dagger]

That convo seems to be bread crumbing operator vs drifter

[sharp kindle]

its not that. Drifter canonically came out in the new war. so drifter hasnt been there long enough to know everything or just hasnt bothered to ask.

[tardy acorn]

i think roathes hypotheticals are read into too much, hes still a tactician at heart so i bet he thinks of stuff like that as a way to cure his boredom

[sharp kindle]

lotus does trust drifter cuz ultimately Drifter is also the Operator.

[bitter spoke]

I wonder if it's a bug or something went wrong, but after confessing Multiple Partners to Aoi she stopped sending KIM messages

[solid otter]

Talking about the shit they have to deal with in the family 💔 (loid mildly lost his shit at the sight of Vilcor's missing arm)

[sharp kindle]

shes like : "Damn i understand having 1 in a different timeline but 3?"

[tardy acorn]

i love that everyone from the hex mutually agrees that if you were seeing anyone else in the hex theyd crash out

[sharp kindle]

i just know Grandmother is a baddie.

Roathe: If you wish to exterminate all Orokin? Walk up the stairs. You have a few surviving examples who cannot escape your wrath. Start with "Grandmother."

[solid otter]

Mother can control necramechs somehow

MOTHER

I mean grandmother

[sharp kindle]

its fine. where i live we still just call our grandparents dad or mom sometimes

[tardy acorn]

grandmother absolutely just has a secret backroom where she has macgyver contraptions from stolen stuff from father and mother like hobie from spiderverse

[peak heath]

Grandmother's so bad she got everyone to keep her name out of their mouths.

[solid otter]

She is from the Vorten family. The folk seemingly behind the gyre deluxe skins and shit

[tardy acorn]

grandmother to me is like the comedian from jjk whatever she thinks is funny happens

[sharp kindle]

she gave it away. its why Dagath exists

Roathe: Although I am honestly far more surprised at "Grandmother" being unable to work it out. (Imagine, giving away a perfectly good name like Dagath.) I thought she had more sense in her than that.

[peak heath]

That's what I was alluding to.

[sharp kindle]

dont gotta its spoiler chat

[peak heath]

Oh no, I was just having fun with it.

[solid otter]

So she would have some level of knowledge on technology, even if she doesnt show it

[tardy acorn]

grandmother top 3 in the verse

[solid otter]

Also something that baffles me is how people think grandmother is Albrecht's wife??? Like I guess Vilcor and Euleria are related now???

[peak heath]

Grandmother would've had the forethought to keep stuff written down.

[solid otter]

Like ive genuinely never managed to understand how folk get it confused 😭

[tardy acorn]

how many removed is Albrecht from the entratis again

[solid otter]

Albrecht is Mother's mother

[tardy acorn]

MOTHER?

[hearty pendant]

mother-

[tardy acorn]

transmasc albrecht

[solid otter]

MOTHER.

SHIT

[tardy acorn]

somebody draw that NOW

never took another body because he liked his top scars too much

[solid otter]

I do need draw Albrecht in a miku binder

[sharp kindle]

Miku Yareli

[tardy acorn]

so grandmother is an in-law, because shes fathers mother

[solid otter]

Yup

Excuse my dumbass for calling Albrecht a woman

[tardy acorn]

damn so grandfather and albrechts wife are just, gone

[tardy acorn]

no, he is mother

[peak heath]

I can't remember which protoframe asked, mainly because I missed the convo because we didn't have the option to play every KIM chat at the time. But one of them asked what it was like to swap body structures all the time and the drifter was like "Oh that's the least weirdest part of the experience" or something.

Drifter canonically genderfluid lol

[hearty pendant]

that's a quincy chat, ye

[solid otter]

Albrecht's wife is dead. It was an arranged marriage.

[tardy acorn]

i just know loid was so happy

[peak heath]

Which to be fair, fits my headcanon with the operator/drifter being voidtouched beings who can freely manipulate their outwards representation.

[hearty pendant]

more player-determined than fully canon
but it is an option, and that's pretty cool :)

[solid otter]

I think he cared more about her dying because Euleria was affected over Albrecht

[tardy acorn]

i like all of the choices you have with the drifters personality

[peak heath]

Also built upon by the Cavia also having the ability to recolour themselves after their void rebirth.

[tardy acorn]

also dark refractory for drifter when, they met albrecht before

[solid otter]

I fully think Loid and Albrecht were a thing even before the arranged marriage tbh.

The woman was given to Albrecht to calm him down and it uh. Didnt do shit

Wouldn't do shit, especially if Albrecht is just straight up a gay dude

[peak heath]

Dark refractory for the infested Entrati family. To reclaim their memories. We know it works on the infested, it works on Roathe.

[tardy acorn]

cheers

[rain otter]

This needs to be updated. @tardy acorn

We know Albretchs wife's name now.

[solid otter]

The infestation makes it impossible for folk to use the dark refractory.

Oh yeah, we do. Gerivaine

[peak heath]

We also know the original names for many of the other family members too.

[solid otter]

And Father's name too

[hearty pendant]

they can be the subject, just not the one doing the delving, apparently

[peak heath]

Roathe is infested ala the Helmnith.

[rain otter]

Also mother literally in the room with him when he went to the Void. She helped him write the book on it. Also shes the narrator in duviri cuz she wrote that book.

[solid otter]

Petros Vorten...

[tardy acorn]

roathe delves through drifter as a proxy

[rain otter]

She's in the new war as the like voice that asks you questions.

[tardy acorn]

mmhm i remember

[rain otter]

Also albretch does say that everyone hears her.

[hearty pendant]

they named him after a rock i can't believe this

[rain otter]

In duviri. It makes him sad.

Also Albretch did see the Drifter there.

[solid otter]

The story of Duviri also seems to be inspired by Albrecht's bedtime stories he told Euleria when she was young

[rain otter]

Child drifter even.

[solid otter]

Albrecht also keeps the book in his netracells :)

[rain otter]

He also keep pizza there.

[solid otter]

I mean what does Vilcor mean?

[tardy acorn]

we get a hint at what Albrecht was doing through isleweaver and through the kim messenger but we dont truely know why albrecht was in duviri i dont think

cant wait for that

[rain otter]

Oh he says himself that he went there.

[solid otter]

It does seem to suggest that he was hiding. Being a coward.

[rain otter]

He went there to like "inform the citizens to FEAR wally"

Or that's what he says.

In the lab logs.

[solid otter]

First to hide, then once he realises what Duviri was, he goes on to turn himself into the scholar

[tardy acorn]

The indifference being soft dropped that its actually just the conceptual embodiment of what Albrecht thought hed find is friggin amazing

[rain otter]

These are the same logs he says he did weed with loid and Loid got a tummy ache.

[solid otter]

Its a neat bit of emotional growth

[solid otter]

Relationship goals

[tardy acorn]

god theyre so gay

[rain otter]

The lord gives his strongest soilders the biggest tummy aches.

[tardy acorn]

good for them

[solid otter]

The loid

[rain otter]

Shhhhh

[solid otter]

Loid might as well be the lord himself in Albrecht's eyes

[tardy acorn]

"albrecht im greening out"
"smoke on this ayatan pack loid..."

[solid otter]

God Albrecht is so pathetic

[hearty pendant]

not finding a real-world origin, but the in-game meaning is "the whip in its moment of striking"

[solid otter]

So he goes from a rock, something steady and constant, to... a whip?

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[tardy acorn]

i mean he became a deadbeat post infection

not very constant there

[solid otter]

Its called nestawood! Though I wouldnt be surprised if Albrecht brought weed back from 1999

[peak heath]

Unrelated but relatedish, I recently re-remembered that the gemni emote into a romanced protoframe has unique dialogue. Elanor said something like "Would the drifter like to do things that would shame their beloved's dear mother?".

[solid otter]

Albrecht being a drug dealer is a personal favourite crack-headcanon

[tardy acorn]

thats just canon he literally offered people syringes

[peak heath]

He had the CIA rock pusher drip in 1999.

[tardy acorn]

he did it to roathe

[solid otter]

Doktor Friday goes hard as a dealer name

[rain otter]

He's a WEAPONS GUY

[tardy acorn]

he names himself after days of the week, what a dork

[solid otter]

He also owns that clothing store he has the backrooms in

[rain otter]

A soilders even.

[hearty pendant]

Cardinal Dimanche, not so much

[tardy acorn]

thats a way better dealer name

"I have Lua Concentrate or Sol Runtz, take your pick"

[hearty pendant]

what's the name
that stupid pun
all i can remember is 'timeless'

[solid otter]

Which is a pun. The name of the clothing store that the backrooms is in, is literally called "Timeless style".

ITS CALLED TIMELESS STYLE BECAUSE ITS TIMETRAVEL.

[flat loom]

Next thing you know, he'll call himself either May or June

[flat loom]

"OOO like marty mcflea"

[tardy acorn]

we're gonna see him be professor thors-day in the equivalent of sweden, watch

[peak heath]

One thing I enjoyed was the Roathe voice message on the Orokin super-technology they employed at the beginning hours of the Old War. The Gildergloss ship with mist-fine circuitry. Silver armoured Myramadons. I was always intrigued at the more advanced Orokin technology they mothballed due to the sentient adaptation and subversion.

[flat loom]

Soon he'll be Sire Moń Dhey

[solid otter]

I hate that man. I hate Albrecht. I hate him.

[flat loom]

What.. the hell

[hearty pendant]

is that weird lighting or the old operator
can't quite tell

[tardy acorn]

this was the only time i liked the operator

[flat loom]

Man, I can hear that scene so clearly

[solid otter]

Old operator i cannot be screwed to replay the new war again

[tardy acorn]

i always thought that stupid kid was annoying but god they were so funny in that interaction with the drifter

[hearty pendant]

fair tbh
i forgot to grab screenshot when i replayed it
i'll have to do so again soon

[peak heath]

The moment I had the opportunity to ditch the operator I did so. I only use them when I'm forced to which in this case is just the Tau fight sequences in the Dark Refractory.

[solid otter]

• the eyebrows still disappear in lighting so there's no point

[tardy acorn]

i almost lost 6 years of my life due to stress whenever "My warframe is strong." played in my ears before i finished new war

oh and the casual grineer racism too

[solid otter]

Save my girl her eyebrows wandered off

[peak heath]

I just didn't want to play a child if I had the option not to.

Weird enough that they also had to get married and then widowed at like 14.

[tardy acorn]

my new operator looks better than my drifter but i only play drifter out of principle at this point

[hearty pendant]

i prefer operator by quite a bit and then the cathedral keeps forcing me into drifter

[solid otter]

-# you can get into there as operator iirc

[flat loom]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-rub-hands-patrick-star-evil-plan-gif-15072939

[tardy acorn]

the dex drifter reminded me of a superhero so my drifter is designed like a hero and i made my operator extra edgy and villain like

[peak heath]

You cannot, and any method allowing you to do is unintended and slipped the proverbial net. (I should say, it is intended that you cannot bring the operator there).

[hearty pendant]

yea but swapping because of the popup is easier than going to the pool room and fast travelling there

[solid otter]

If you open up fast travel in necraloid or the dark refractory and choose any of the protos, you can access it

You can do it with necraloid area too!

[tardy acorn]

i just imagine the operator entering the cathedral and roathe shrieking like a girl who saw a rat on a tv show

[solid otter]

Its really odd

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah unintended method is still a method

[peak heath]

True

[solid otter]

No bcs he would

They do interact

[tardy acorn]

yk the boss from smiling friends, i imagine roathe having that exact vocal range

[solid otter]

Just not in the cathedral or on the kim

[peak heath]

Oh that reminds me, the Proto's in this new batch comment on not being allowed to meet the operator despite being in the same building as them.

[hearty pendant]

he spends a whole convo being like "i am afraid of that thing." and then ends a different one with "who says i'm not talking to them about betraying you, too?" like.

[tardy acorn]

he HATES them, its so funny

[solid otter]

Loid being a father figure is so real

[zenith jacinth]

Fear doesn't prevent interaction

[solid otter]

Its not out of character for him either

[peak heath]

I also find it very funny that Roathe acknowledges the Drifter's bodycount already matches or exceeds Roathe's own bodycount.

[tardy acorn]

roathe and operator give "ARE YOU TWELVE?"
"i like to play and draw"
"you GENUINELY piss me off"
"im gonna eat cookies next"
energy

[peak heath]

Roathe is terrified of the operators, they overthrew the Orokin empire in a single day.

[hearty pendant]

this but i have no idea which one is which

[peak heath]

Like, he directly comments on that.

[tardy acorn]

my headcanon is he just hates kids because theyre brutally honest and he got clocked by a six year old once and never forgot it

[solid otter]

Bird 3 also would do this

[tardy acorn]

either way honestly, but if roathe was the one playing and drawing hed be doing it as ragebait

[peak heath]

I think he's also terrified someone might say "Oh hey we missed one" and then they swivel their heads around at Roathe.

[tardy acorn]

he jokes about that constantly actually, its awesome

"normally wed have a ceremony and robes for this, but you killed the last person who did that so id like to skip that part if you dont mind"

[peak heath]

Keep in mind, if you look at the Stalker codex scan/lore. The saviours silk they're talking about is when they're getting honoured by the Orokin Emperors directly. Which they killed on the night of the Naga drums.

[tardy acorn]

its great, I love all the callbacks

roathe was exactly what we needed

[peak heath]

Oh yeah

[solid otter]

I just wish they kept Nihil as an executor smh

[peak heath]

For the most part I've been endulging his hypotheticals and whatifs, with some clear defined limits.

[solid otter]

My boy is too pretty

[peak heath]

Meeting him halfway but also letting him know where he is.

I got all of 1999 perfect on my first attempt with no resets. But due to the metaplot reasons I'm more fine with resetting the Devil's triad if need be.

[solid otter]

Nihil has such an interesting skin tone. Pinkish, grey-blue. It's really nice to look at.

[peak heath]

It'a also interesting that we maintain the means of creating new Cephalons via the Vitrica. Though it is implied the Corpus also have their own methods.

Unless they're somehow replicating existing Cephalons and repackaging them.

By the way is Oro still a thing? With the trapped Oro of countless Orokin still being held in Lua in relative torment?

I know the conclave wasn't popular but still it had some important lore.

[echo basalt]

Idk shit hasn't been brought up in a while

[hearty pendant]

oro was last mentioned by albrecht as being 'stupid'
though that was also in regards to whether or not kalymos had oro

[peak heath]

There was also the sort of quantum immortality of the Operators. When they die they get replaced with another one that didn't die and so on. But that one was word-of-mouthed because I can't remember the original source.

[hearty pendant]

-# "I realized my error as I sweated by visionary nestawood cinders, beside Loid who curled pale and sick from chewing too much of the root. The catalyst was uniqueness. That attribute was what caught the interest of the bland and undifferentiated Void.
-# It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona. My Kalymos, I was sure, was an exception, but I would not sacrifice that loyal being.
-# Perhaps I should have. The sin I was to commit was worse."

[obtuse gyro]

the what

[obtuse gyro]

well you wont be able to find an original source for that one

the notion that some D4C-esque immortality for the tenno is made up

[peak heath]

The room was misremembered word of mouth stuff. Oro itself as a concept was certainly a thing at one point though and touched upon by the Conclave.

[obtuse gyro]

yea no I get the oro bit, its the rest of that

like Ive seen crackpots ad nauseum for oro, but Ive never heard of trapped orokin oro before

[hearty pendant]

there are the weird void ghost things in the octavia puzzle room
but that's the only thing i can think of that'd be related?

[peak heath]

Yeah, things go through weird internet telephone games. Disconnected bits through comment sections and off-conversations.

[pseudo sable]

yo so im doing old peace quest, basically we are going into our own memories form the past right? its not some assassins creed animus shit right

[hearty pendant]

correct, just our memories
||they're a little malleable, but they're still our memories||

[peak heath]

Might be people misremembering the void ghosts.

[obtuse gyro]

it is animus shit

[pseudo sable]

yea but what i meant is

the animus explores someone else's memories, not our own

[obtuse gyro]

oh yea then yes

[pseudo sable]

and the memories we're going back through are the same for drifter and operator at this point right

[obtuse gyro]

no actually

drifter didnt experience any of that

[pseudo sable]

how

[hearty pendant]

no, the split happened before this
drifter's probably in duviri at that point

[obtuse gyro]

drifter never fought the old war

[pseudo sable]

ohoh

[obtuse gyro]

^

[pseudo sable]

OH yeah cuz the zariman shit is how the tenno got their powers im stupdi

i havent even touched anything remotely warframe since like 1999 so im so rusty on the lore

[peak heath]

Correct, the Drifter doesn't make it out of the void till the New war. Meanwhile the Operator has fully diverged, getting rescued, and whatnot.

[pseudo sable]

and the order of shit

[peak heath]

The operators are also still physically teenagers/children. While the drifter is many centuries old.

[pseudo sable]

wdym

when are u talking about

[obtuse gyro]

Drifter isnt physically that much older, on account of all the looping

[hearty pendant]

operator was in cryo, drifter probably aged until they wanted to leave duviri, and then the loop started

[pseudo sable]

and how did drifter get to duviri again

like what exactly happened on the split cuz i forgot

[hearty pendant]

made it

[pseudo sable]

right im aware

but how did it all happen again

[hearty pendant]

the void reacts to strong emotions, and they were focused on that storybook while being alone and afraid of the void angels on the ship
so, they escaped into duviri

[peak heath]

Tenno Operators active for the old war up to and a little after the overthrow of the Orokin. Then they go on ice/sleep in the reservoir in Lua in suspended animation. The drifter is alive and active for the many. many centuries in the void. Spending a good chunk of it getting executed daily.

[flat loom]

Operator shook the hand, drifter didn't

Split happened

[hearty pendant]

both shook, both agreed to the deal

[flat loom]

Drifter didn't get to escape the incident

[flat loom]

Oh right mb

[peak heath]

The drifter's deal was that the indifference would "save all of them" Which wasn't inclusive of the Drifter.

[pseudo sable]

yea but like what happened that they became 2 different people

[peak heath]

So the drifter was stranded there, on a Zariman that didn't get pulled out of the void. Eventually creating Duviri from the storybook in the void and growing up there.

[solid otter]

Time line divergence under eternalism

Or whatever

[flat loom]

Drifter got stranded, had to cope, created duviri in turn

[peak heath]

Simple, the operator was a version of the same person who was included in the deal to be saved. The drifter wasn't, through eternalism they both exist simultaneously.

[flat loom]

Wanted to get out, thrax didn't let them, hence the torture

[solid otter]

Tbf they only recently wanted to get out

They grew up, while Thrax didnt

[peak heath]

Oh no, the centuries of executions was a result of the drifter wanting to escape. The drifter grew up which led them to want to escape. IIRC.

[pseudo sable]

was gonna say that

cuz that i did remember

[flat loom]

DEATH BY METEOR

[peak heath]

The drifter also seems to have powers from Duviri that the operator doesn't. Namely the ability to control time.

[pseudo sable]

to an extent

[peak heath]

The undercroft in Duviri also seems to have the power to retroactively change events in the physical world, or world of dust.

[pseudo sable]

cuz if i remember correctly drifter was the one that looped 1999 to save the protos right

[zenith jacinth]

when a loop is already existing