spoiler-chat

[pseudo turtle]

im gonna record mine

I mean even if I dated the hex I would, inbox has no way of favouriting things or starring

But with the Hex if you get rid of it, thats a month

at least Triad is a week

[gaunt finch]

Either way it doesn’t make any sense to me that you have to wait to replay the same exact cutscene. Just seems very dumb

[pseudo turtle]

Captura dates you gain after the kiss scene, and theres 5 total to collect, thats why I think it limits it

so you dont unlock them all immediately

Thats the only reason to redo it outside of wanting to watch the kiss scene again

Time-gated content in my lite-mmo 😔

[gaunt finch]

Maybe after you get all of them you don’t have to wait anymore

[pseudo turtle]

I get it though, would be great to spam

Sadly I dont think thats how it works </3

[gaunt finch]

Again, dumb as hell

[pseudo turtle]

Imagine if they had the same limit as the hex

[gaunt finch]

Wdym

[pseudo turtle]

If it was dependant on the ingame 1999 calendar

Which is a month

I guess the benefit of the Triad is if you get to the criteria, you get it immediately

Whereas with the Hex depending on your season its anywhere between a couple of hours for questing, or a month

[gaunt finch]

Lore wise especially it still doesn’t make sense for the Triad. At least with the Hex you know the kiss scene is celebrating New Years but with the Triad there isn’t any reason to make you wait

[solid otter]

Because there should be more restrictions on the players tbh

[hidden hornet]

Should i ask aoi about other couples? I mean, ask permission to have someone else?

[tight pagoda]

When you start dating one of the others, you'll get a chat with Aoi to get her consent

[hidden hornet]

Yeah, that's what i meant sorry, and idk if i should get it? Or ignore it

[night zephyr]

Wait there are five captura scenes for each of the three? Or five in total?

[pseudo turtle]

5 for each

each captura scene has multiple voicelines in it two

tho i dont know the exact amount

[night zephyr]

Oh wow

I don't think I would have the dedication to collect 15 of them so I would love to see all of the stuff when people get around to that

[cobalt scroll]

Wait 5????

[pseudo turtle]

5 scenes yes

5 different locations

[cobalt scroll]

How? There only 3 ppl

[pseudo turtle]

per character

so each character has 5 different scenes, so theres actually 15

[uncut solar]

Woah

Are any of these scenes unique locations?

[solid otter]

I mean if you ignore it while dating both, then you're a cheater

[jagged sable]

They're more places around the Origin system and/or Duviri

I know one of Lyon's is the Harrow Temple and one of Roathe's is the Duviri Throne room. that's just off the top of my head.

[torpid depot]

I think I fumbled with trying to date Marie 😩

[solid otter]

Let me guess

[torpid depot]

But it says roathe or lyon could help me

[solid otter]

You agreed with her on everything about Entrati?

[torpid depot]

Yup

[solid otter]

Yeah thats not how you do that

[torpid depot]

So do I have to do a reset Or is there still a chance to salvage this

[obtuse gyro]

roathe goes to:
Lua
Some random orokin ruin
duviri throneroom
murex
Zariman park

[torpid depot]

@solid otter

[obtuse gyro]

you talk to lyon or roathe

but it seems like you got trapped by the honeypot and confessed to marie while arguing about albrecht

so like, just gotta be mindful where you try to confess lol

[torpid depot]

Yeah I'm not good at that 😩

[hidden hornet]

Well, i'm still thinking

[torpid depot]

But I got to do a lot more descendia before I can talk to him again

[night grail]

Where is the orokin ruin btw

[obtuse gyro]

then do it

[torpid depot]

Already up to twelve

[obtuse gyro]

no idea, Im basing it off the wiki transcript

[obtuse gyro]

9 more

[abstract sorrel]

[rugged quest]

you can just do the roathe fight and it counts

you dont have to do all 21 floors

[torpid depot]

That's what i'm doing.

SEVENTEEN

[strange siren]

uhhhhhhhh

I didnt think today was the day...

[prime coral]

anyone else not getting roathes dating lines for when you defeat him in the decendia or if you switch to him? i know he has them cus their in the files but like hes still doing the default ones

[strange siren]

could those lines be for when you're on a date with him?

[prime coral]

the files specifically say ||hell death and switchprotodating|| so no

[strange siren]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

[steep hemlock]

Finally I did it, romanced Roathe even with the buggs T_T I love that this is an option

[empty violet]

|| I thought someone was going to eat Lotus in the Lotus Eaters 😭 ||

[floral badge]

I broke it

[grim nova]

You know, new players / alt accounts have chance to do funniest thing ever.

Start new account
Intentionally play as little of each frame as possible
Rush to Old Peace content
Intentionally fail missions multiple times
Playing since 2025, most played frame: Excalibur Prime

(would likely require some mapping and cooperation to ensure you get most resources for least gameplay; naturally need to join dojo for sake of Railjack anyway so gotta get the blueprints for frames from there, too.)

[steep hemlock]

You cant, loan frames and gear dont count toward usage stats and you have to own him for it to even display you ever played him

[austere scarab]

Hello, i return with another Marie bug..she just blocked me even though we're close and it doesn't say I've done anything wrong ^^;; don't know why because I was able to speak to her yesterday and that's when I discovered the neutral glitch

[cerulean kiln]

It fixes itself eventually

[austere scarab]

thank you! was fairly certain i didnt do anything lol

[lament thicket]

Wait

Roathe blocked me too. Says Anathema?

Also says that I'm at an impasse with Roathe.

[loud dock]

HUH?
what
we literally had a friendly convo, she's still marked as close, and it's not showing her entrati progress

[lament thicket]

I don't understand the whole Anathema thing.

[undone lodge]

Bug

The other notes should come back eventually apparently

[undone lodge]

Might go completely blank before that though

[lament thicket]

I don't understand the whole Anathema thing.

I might go do Steel Path Descendia to be sure.

[zenith jacinth]

Go beat him up in decendia

[lament thicket]

Yep.

[balmy storm]

Do you know what it means?

[lament thicket]

Looking around, means hated. Or so mething along that.

Something*

[balmy storm]

Yeah basically he really does not like you

[lament thicket]

HE WILL APPRECIATE MY HELP WHETHER HE LIKES IT OR NOT IMMA BEAT HIM UP DOWN THERE

[zenith jacinth]

Phrasing

[lament thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

[undone lodge]

I mean

He does ask us to aim somewhere else next time

[lament thicket]

He did say to aim a little more to the left.

[balmy storm]

Head or crotch
Only viable options

[fierce kiln]

right in his ayatans

[undone lodge]

This means that the Operator got named Balls

Or a worse alternative

[fierce kiln]

ayatans contain energy/information

the balls store genetic information

thus it to an extend applies

[formal fable]

well this is good

marie and roathe still close

today lyon

[abstract sorrel]

🗿

[balmy storm]

The most redeeming trait possible for an Orokin, not wanting to be one anymore

[shell palm]

I think my drifter and Roathe would like the peace

[still swan]

so what to do now IDK how to progres with her

[formal fable]

check with lyon

see my

[dry cove]

So if I choose to reset The Devil's Triad, do I have to fight Roathe 21 times again for the VMs again, or does that carry over?

[formal fable]

i think you need to make sure all 3 agree to help

[formal fable]

have to fight 21 floors there is like a title

roathe will count

[dry cove]

So if I reset, the VMs will just play since I already did that and got the title?

[formal fable]

yes

[dire slate]

Can I ask where do people report minor typos in the game, such as some of the text choices or replies in the KIM?

[undone lodge]

Just dw about it honestly, considering how big of an issue it’s been DE are probably just gonna go back over everything when they come back from break

[cerulean kiln]

DE probably already know

They definitely won’t sort it till they return

[shell palm]

Grind entrati family because you need to be Max rank with them to convince her to reunite loid with the entrati family

[still swan]

i am with bouth of them

[shell palm]

You are max rank with the entrati family syndicate? Huh then you should've at least had a chat where you could convince her to reunite them with Loid

[still swan]

and that the problem she does not wanna help me

this is what it says on her

[shell palm]

Ah that's why just talk to Lyon and Roathe about it to fix the problem

[feral barn]

Just learned about the insight bundle from Rothe.....don't think I ever seen it in his shop

[still swan]

thanks

[uncut solar]

Added with blood of perita

[feral barn]

I see, welp, time to get it

[zenith jacinth]

Slightly after it, actually

Like 1 or 2 days after

[dry cove]

I messed up since I had no idea about the thermostat counter previously so I had to reset The Devil's Triad.

[fringe plinth]

ah ggreat now marie block me

[dry cove]

At least it's not just me that had to reset.

[fringe plinth]

i think not

something missing\

like how i got blocked by roathe

[dire slate]

So, Marie seems to be the straightforward one where you can't sway her belief in Entrati?

[formal fable]

ask lyon for help

[pure merlin]

You can

[zenith jacinth]

@dry cove

[dire slate]

Haven't reached that route yet since I'm taking the slower approach (i.e., all possible dialogues option), but so far so good.

[dry cove]

I had no problem with that. I messed up with Roathe and failed to redeem him. I had no idea about the thermostat counter previously and I had to reset.

[zenith jacinth]

Well, L

[dry cove]

Yeah. I feel like crap

[zenith jacinth]

Someday I'll remember to look up what i.e. means

[night zephyr]

In example

[zenith jacinth]

Seriously

[night zephyr]

Well wait no

[dire slate]

pedantic: e.g. is the example.

[night zephyr]

It's more like "that is to say"

[dire slate]

i.e. is that is to say yeah

[zenith jacinth]

I mean what it's an abbreviation of

[night zephyr]

It's latin I think

[dire slate]

id est

[night zephyr]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Latin

Of course

[night zephyr]

I had to learn it for a time but I lost most because you don't use it, you lose it, and well, for a dead language... There's not much use

[dire slate]

i feel like you have to be either a historian or an author who uses the dead language in their works to really ingrain latin in your brain, or if you're just siobhan thompson from dropout.

[solid otter]

Or an artist who has a weird habit of liking religious ideas for drawings

[night zephyr]

I wouldn't call it weird just an interest

[dire slate]

niche would be the term

[solid otter]

I mean. checks puter

There's 50 different drawings having religious iconography and ideas behind them

[dire slate]

i feel like it's a useful base for making fictional languages though

[uncut solar]

"You use religious imagery and latin for inspiration and allusions in the narrative, I use them because they look cool"

[night zephyr]

Every boss theme with latin chanting

[dire slate]

Semper Fi eagle sounds and all that

[solid otter]

Doesnt help that a lots of my fixations are religion based, now with warframe coming in with dualism

[uncut solar]

I like how FromSofrware in souls games straight up just doesn't use latin. They make up fake language with voice modulation

[night zephyr]

Are you referring to yourself or someone else

[night zephyr]

Wait that's so funny

[solid otter]

Me specifically. Its an issue

Its either robots, religion or both at the same time

[night zephyr]

I don't think it's an issue unless you believe it is

There is a lot to draw from religions

I think of Sephiroth there's just latin that alludes to him but for the most part it's just to make it more menacing because it sounds dramatic and ancient lol

[dire slate]

FFXIV's Soken and team also used vocal sounds in their tracks until they're orchestrated and given lyrics.

Just vocal nonsense before Big Fat Tacos

[solid otter]

I aint even particularly into religion its just a constant reoccurring thing 😭 like leave me alone

[uncut solar]

I think only Bloodborne has latin lyrics. Literally all their other modern fantasy games just make up latin sounding lyrics with a chorus sound bank

I remember people trying to find meaning only to learn it's a cursed eldritch vocaloid that speaks nonsense

[undone lodge]

Or catholic

[solid otter]

Half my knowledge comes from research coming from doom

[pure merlin]

Doesn't Fortissax have actual latin phrases in his boss music ? Saw a video translating it

[night zephyr]

I love it when they've got lyrics whether it's Japanese like for the four directional animals in Stormblood, or English, or Latin in the case of the title "Hic Svnt Leones" (where the actual lyrics are otherwise English)

[uncut solar]

The only person who did "translations" was actually a blatant liar

And then had to add "fan made" to everything after getting called out

[pure merlin]

Eh fair enough

[dire slate]

And then you also get Forward and Back and Forward and Back a la Daft Punk in Exponential Entropy.

[solid otter]

Daft punk mentioned

[pure merlin]

The goats

[solid otter]

Only French people i tolerate
-# I went to justice and busy p just a few weeks ago (busy p used to be daft punk's manager !!)

Pedro...

[pure merlin]

And how was it ?

[rigid bloom]

ok so me and my friends may have tism'd too hard

Star Chart Frames: rhino (mk+a), hydroid (mk+a), excal (mk+a), mag (mk+a), frost (mk+a), nekros (mk+a), valkyr (mk+a), wisp (mk+a), nova (mk+a), ember (mk+a), equinox (mk+a), loki (mk+a), trinity (mk+a), mesa (mk+a), saryn (mk+a), gauss (mk+disr), ivara (spy), harrow (chains of harrow + ||kuva fortress|| spy and survival + defection + rels), nyx (mk+a), oberon (mk+rj), ash (mk+rj)

Dojo Frames: Volt (dj), Nezha (dj), Wukong (dj), Banshee (dj), Zephyr (dj), Dagath (dj)

Quest Frames: Atlas (jordas precept+a), Sevagoth (call of tempestari+rj rels), Yareli (waverider+dj), Revenant (mask of revenant + cetus bounty), Nidus (glast gambit+salvage), Titania (silver grove), ||Umbra (sacrifice)||, Protea (deadlock protocol+granum void), Octavia (Octavia's Melody+||lua|| spy), Limbo (Limbo Theorem), Mirage (Hidden Messages), Inaros (Sands of Inaros), Chroma (New Strange+Junctions)

Merchant Frames: Kullervo (||acrythis||), Stynax (||chipper||), Baruk (little duck), Grendel (Arbiters+Grendel Nodes), Lavos (father), Vauban (nightwave)

Pity Frames: Oraxia (||acrythis||+||triumph of dust||), Temple (||flare||+||temple defense||), Uriel (||roathe||+||descendia||), Voruna (||yonta||+||conjunciton survival||), Citrine (otak+mirror defense), Hyldryn (little duck+||exploiter orb||), Koumei (saya+shrine defense), Jade (ordis+||ascension||), Dante (||loid||+||entrati|| disr)

Bounty Frames: Nokko (||Nightcap||+||undermined|| bounty), Cyte (||amir||+||hex|| bounty), Gyre (||zaramin|| bounties), Garuda (vox solaris+solaris bounty), Gara (saya's vigil+cetus bounty), Quorvex (||bird 3||+ ||cavia|| bounty), Xaku (heart of deimos+mother bounty), Khora (cephalon sim), Caliban (||narmer|| bounty [any planet])

KEY:
MK = market
RJ = railjack
RELS = relics
DJ = dojo
A = Assassination
DISR = Disruption

[obtuse gyro]

Im not sure what yall set out to do, but great cataloging

[rigid bloom]

we originally asked "what's your favorite star chart frame" and then we ended up asking "what constitutes a star chart frame" and then we spent an hour and a half up until around 3am doing this

we determined that any frame that is obtained through a warframe quest counts as a quest frame, and any frame obtained through a main story quest can go anywhere else

all the frames that can be obtained through merchants, are merchant frames unless you can also get them through bounties

bounty frames are self explanatory

dojo frames are frames you only need a dojo for

also, if it's purchased with standing but not obtainable through bounties, then it's still a merchant frame

[echo basalt]

hey you kinda forgot something, you get chroma's bp from new strange, but the rest of his parts are locked behind junctions so wouldnt he be a starchart/quest frame

[rigid bloom]

RIGHT

well...

don't you get chroma's parts from the quest?

[echo basalt]

no

[rigid bloom]

hmmm.....

[echo basalt]

junctions bucko

[zenith jacinth]

Wouldn't count oraxia, temple, citrine, hildryn, uriel, koumei, jade, voruna or dante as merchant frames, those are all pity systems

[uncut solar]

Worth its own category imo

[echo basalt]

not to mention you need sedna unlocked to actually craft him

[zenith jacinth]

Main story only includes umbra

[rigid bloom]

fair enough, however we opted that since you can buy them with the resources from the missions, then they're still primarily likely to be purchased from missions (which is why we said merchant) it's a looser category

[rigid bloom]

we meant bps, like harrow and xaku and garuda

[zenith jacinth]

Mmmmmmm

Not really the intended primary source

[rigid bloom]

true, but likely the way you're going to get them anyhow because the drop rates are realistically :P (cept oraxia)

[zenith jacinth]

Also you missed hildryn dropping from exploiter

[rigid bloom]

right, we were thinking she didn't

[zenith jacinth]

Most of the drop rates are pretty high

And citrine pity material cost sucks so much that you'll have 2 sets before you can buy a part

[rigid bloom]

actually ended up not getting her parts pretty consistantly

[zenith jacinth]

Objectively speaking it's impossible to objectively categorize most frames

[rigid bloom]

I got like the same part over and over again

fair, but we tried our best (especially since 2am and all of us were tired asf)

[zenith jacinth]

I'd try my own categorization but I'm too lazy

[obtuse gyro]

used to, not anymore

[rigid bloom]

also chroma has been moved to star chart due to junctions and it being the one warframe quest you have to do for main story that actually impacts anything (other than deadlock but deadlock is very indirect all things considered)

[rigid bloom]

that's what we thought, was this

[zenith jacinth]

Neither new strange nor deadlock are main quests now

Technically new strange never was, it was just a junction requirement

[echo basalt]

for some reason

[cerulean kiln]

Where’s the pity system category? cuz that exists

[rigid bloom]

new strange is junciton? ok

[zenith jacinth]

Got stuffed into merchants category

[cerulean kiln]

Good enough

[rigid bloom]

pity frame is now a category

I think, at the moment, it's finished

I love how like, most of the pity frame section is blacked out

same with a lot of bounty frame

[night zephyr]

Pity for Voruna is 3 neuroptics and a bajillion lua thrax plasms 😔 I was very unlucky

[rigid bloom]

lol

i feel your pain

pity for citrine goes about the same way

[fierce kiln]

gauss pity system when

[uncut solar]

With Citrine it isn't pity, it's condescension

[cerulean kiln]

Wasn’t Voruna also the first time DE even had a go at the pity system?

[rigid bloom]

star chart cause market's involved and there's no merchant

pity system implies a merchant is involved outside of rng

but I feel your pain however, not the worst warframe I had to get

(worst luck was in fact voruna)

[uncut solar]

yes

[fierce kiln]

imagine grendel parts were rng

[zenith jacinth]

Well it's a newer thing

[pastel pasture]

is there anyway to hear Roathe's descendia lines despite not hosting

or if someone could jsut like. DM me all the final floor lines

[balmy storm]

Internet

[pastel pasture]

whenever i hear Marie say "devil" during the roathe fight i stg i hear her say "bibble"

[worn fjord]

It’s on the wiki here: https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Roathe/Quotes

Open “In the Descendia” section

[shadow forum]

Uhm interesting

[pastel pasture]

Where does the ayatan in descendia 21 spawn

[zenith jacinth]

What

[balmy storm]

All I’m finding is they can spawn and not anything on a unique one

[pastel pasture]

I mean i still wanna know where to check

[pastel pasture]

an ayatan can spawn on floor 21.

maybe on other floors too but ive only ever seen it waypointed on 21 after i've dropped down

[zenith jacinth]

So use loot radar and just look for it

[worn fjord]

Or use Golden Instinct ability if you have that

[pastel pasture]

I aint Giorno

[worn fjord]

It’s a helminth ability that helps you locate ayatans among other stuff

[pastel pasture]

i use all of caliban's calibillities though

[zenith jacinth]

Golden instinct not golden wind

[worn fjord]

Lol exactly

Close enough I suppose

[zenith jacinth]

Il vento d'oro

ORO?

[pastel pasture]

Is oro still canon with old peace?

[cerulean kiln]

Oro wasn’t even canon as a Tenno thing before Old Peace

[lofty girder]

As long as Teshin live- wait a minute

[pastel pasture]

I can't wait for Tau where Teshin will die for a 3rd time

[cerulean kiln]

Teshin literally said it was something the enemy had who like the Tenno can come back

[zenith jacinth]

Oro is canonically irrelevant

[pastel pasture]

well i am glad i dont have to think about oro ever

although this does make me wonder

[worn fjord]

For Config B, you can just subsume his first ability for Golden Instinct if you want. Config A would have all his abilities and won’t be impacted by the helminth

[pastel pasture]

is reviving not canon for all players anymore given the whole deal with Adis

[zenith jacinth]

It is

[valid folio]

Can I get the triad romance to move into the Drifter's camp with me? PLEASE DE

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine still using drifter camp in almost 2026

[pastel pasture]

i should really move my camp back to oribtor or backrooms

[valid folio]

I used it for Marie's date captura and I thought it'd be nice and if I'm honest, I prefer it to the backrooms

[pastel pasture]

im only in camp for kahl and i have not been keeping up

[zenith jacinth]

Leaky home base

[valid folio]

But I also wish there were an option to visually remove Kahl's upgrades to the camp, I want to be alone lol

[zenith jacinth]

You want to be alone but want your dated triad member there

[valid folio]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Pick one

[cerulean kiln]

No, that’s literally impossible because they’re in 1999 and the Camp is in the far far future which they can’t access unless you use transference on them

[zenith jacinth]

Triad is even further back

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[pastel pasture]

is the triad even further back?

[cerulean kiln]

1899

[pastel pasture]

They regularly interact with the cavia

[valid folio]

How does the date system work then? She's literally there but also she visits the Sanctum Anatomica?

[zenith jacinth]

And also triad can't leave the basement

[zenith jacinth]

Time portal

[pastel pasture]

i thought that was more of a 'to not disturb the family until they are ready' thing

[valid folio]

Same here

[cerulean kiln]

How would they get off Deimos tbh

[zenith jacinth]

Yes, which they really will never be

[pastel pasture]

i mean I agree from a gameplay point

lorewise they can leave the basement after fixing the family

[valid folio]

But there's sending loid to talk to them no?

[pastel pasture]

Operator taxi service

[zenith jacinth]

Loid isn't partially turned into a warframe by albrecht

[pastel pasture]

same way Kahl gets around.

[pastel pasture]

yet. there's still time to give them the qorvex juice

[zenith jacinth]

Can you imagine the absolute chaos it'd cause if you showed the family what kind of messed torture their apparently still alive lost family member was up to

[pastel pasture]

yes

[valid folio]

Sneak em out while they're sleeping 🤭

[pastel pasture]

in theory tho. Drifter could probably smuggle all the protos out

[valid folio]

I doubt 1999 tho

[pastel pasture]

i mean....

[valid folio]

Well Kaya

[pastel pasture]

Kaya figured it out

[rigid bloom]

Yea fair

[valid folio]

Yeah 😭

[pastel pasture]

I assume the rest of the protos simply do not want to leave 1999

[valid folio]

Kaya, please help me get my lovelies out the cathedral

I love all of the triad

[pastel pasture]

triad is easy to smuggle

[rigid bloom]

Kaya get all of the hex out and all of the cathedral out

[pastel pasture]

step 1. equip protoframe.

step 2. transference out

step 3. walk all the way upstairs and to the entrati mission door

step 4. transference back

[zenith jacinth]

Doubt kaya can transport anyone with her

[pastel pasture]

well i see 2 possibilities for Kaya

[valid folio]

The hex don't want to leave I imagine - because of all the people they would leave to the tech rot and scaldra

[pastel pasture]

1. her methods are able to be done by anyone

2. her methods involve nova portal, able to be used by anyone

i mean her method is seemingly just follow the Drifter though the void

[valid folio]

I just don't understand how the first date I've had with Marie is at the Drifter's camp so I don't understand how it's not possible

[zenith jacinth]

3. Her method involves manipulating matter extremely specifically

[pastel pasture]

the triad is possible

[zenith jacinth]

Date isn't canon, easy

[pastel pasture]

from my understanding the cathedral is in 1899, but they can freely travel to the present

[valid folio]

Seems like a lazy out imho

[pastel pasture]

unlike with the hex this is not a borrowed time travel via transference. so it does not require the drifter to anchor them

[zenith jacinth]

Occam's razor

Most obvious explanation is often the right one

[pastel pasture]

that's not what that means

occam's razor is the SIMPLEST explanation is the best

[zenith jacinth]

Same thing

[pastel pasture]

i disagree but it doesn't matter so w/e

[valid folio]

All the voicelines they get given and also I'd imagine unique lines for each new setting, just feels wasted to say "Not canon" especially when some of those lines entail establishing relationships with existing characters like how Marie says how much she likes Ordis

[pastel pasture]

also the simplest explanation would be the Drifter can teleport the triad and the triad alone with transference due to them being in the present

[valid folio]

Or just have them sneak out the necralisk, Wisp can literally go invisible so I don't see how she can't

[zenith jacinth]

Temporarily*

[valid folio]

Temp invisible to make it to the orbiter

Then needn't worry

[pastel pasture]

well through the void all things are possible so write that down

[tiny rune]

aye, im back to copmplain about how story breaking Protoframes are in the early story,... actually i think i havent complained in here,... anyways who agrees that DE should atleast add a toggel to disabel spoilers (like protoskins, and disabel them in story missions they make no sense in)

[pastel pasture]

I think protoframes are in that area where spoiling them doesn't matter

[zenith jacinth]

English not your first language?

[valid folio]

I think my main problem is protoframes are plastered on merch and market

[pastel pasture]

a new player will not understand why protoframes are special

by the time they realize why, they would already know warframes are humans

[valid folio]

I understood what I needed to understand

[zenith jacinth]

So did I mostly, but still

[valid folio]

I think it's best they disable the media related to protoframes and gemini skins up to the point where you find about them organically

[zenith jacinth]

Also there is streamer mode which disables most spoilers

[pastel pasture]

maybe a spoiler toggle like with descendia

[tiny rune]

it ain't that bad.

[pastel pasture]

Just ignore scrap. they get grumpy

[zenith jacinth]

Bruh

[valid folio]

Is streamer mode on default?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[valid folio]

I imagined not but it'd be nice if it's there in parts

[zenith jacinth]

I'm just curious mate

[pastel pasture]

was still rude af

[cerulean kiln]

Isn’t your first language literally German?

[valid folio]

It comes off really rude though

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

It's illegal to sometimes phrase things poorly due to stuff like 'tism I suppose

[pastel pasture]

its not illegal. its rude. having a disability does not make you immune to criticisms on behavior

[zenith jacinth]

I'm very aware that my directness is an issue, but I'm not aware of when it is

[uncut solar]

actually i shouldnt be asking that

[pastel pasture]

if someone calls me out for being rude I say sorry

[zenith jacinth]

It was too late at that point

[uncut solar]

oh well

[zenith jacinth]

It wasn't even that rude, just extremely badly phrased and then justifiably misinterpreted

[pastel pasture]

misunderstandings can be rude

thats why phrasing is important, especially if you have a disability that can make other people struggle to understand your intent

[valid folio]

Anyway I think I'll probably beg DE to let me have Marie move in with me at the Drifter's Camp another time 🥀

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-linkstare-catstare-theboysbutdumb-gif-26094112

[pastel pasture]

i have low hope for any old content getting updates 🙁

Marie is new, but drifter camp is old

[valid folio]

The date was at the camp in the captura, I feel like it's not that too big an ask

[zenith jacinth]

I was just curious what their first language was on account of the errors, I should've directly asked that, but assumed it'd be more rude to ask "what's your first language"

[pastel pasture]

some things are better left unasked unfortunately

[pure merlin]

Your kiss cutscene was at the camp?

[pastel pasture]

i want to ask people if they are an immigrant or native born but i dont because its rude

im not trying to find anything out, im legit curious

[valid folio]

They also did say they were going to be look at how the date system is received

@pure merlin no, date and kiss are separate

[zenith jacinth]

If I have a question I need an answer

Very inconveniently

[uncut solar]

I have descended from limbless space slugs

[valid folio]

I like the date system, but I want them to move in somewhere

[pure merlin]

Ahh

[rain dew]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-stilgar-as-written-lisan-al-gaib-dune-2-gif-16313648371068610118

[pastel pasture]

i guess yuou can try phrasing it like "do you speak languages other then english" although that might seem a bit out of nowhere

[valid folio]

Or hell, if they add more stuff relating to XX99, give us the cathedral backrooms 😤

[pure merlin]

Would be crazy in the future tho, not sure if that'd technically be possible yeah

[zenith jacinth]

There's no good way to phrase it tbh

[valid folio]

They said 2026 for Tau, they have the whole year, doesn't mean tau is the only one next

[pastel pasture]

that is the unfortunate part of society

[uncut solar]

"what's your default language setting"

[pastel pasture]

there are some questions you want to ask innocently, but the question is inherently rude

[pure merlin]

No I meant, the drifter camp is a veryy long time in the future compared to xx99

[zenith jacinth]

Simple fix I know but forgot is adding some variation of "just curious"

[pastel pasture]

eeeh i think that makes it worse

just curious is said by people who have malicious intent for asking

[uncut solar]

"where do you live"

[valid folio]

As we were discussing, it doesn't seem all that inplausible, the triad regularly interact with the Sanctum Anatomica

[zenith jacinth]

Or just.. explain the source of the curiosity. I'm dumb

[pure merlin]

True, true

[pastel pasture]

maybe take a lesson from your pfp and ask permission to ask before asking

(genuine suggestion. not trying to sound snarky)

[zenith jacinth]

I've developed a hatred for the concept of asking for permission to ask bc it tends to be pointless

[valid folio]

That's literally Lyon's entire conversation setup, letting him have a choice, asking permission for him to talk on touchy subjects 😭

[zenith jacinth]

A couple protos do that but the important difference is that they don't ask "can I ask something", they mention the subject in the question

[valid folio]

Lyon will shut you down if you rudely pry

[zenith jacinth]

Which is also an option for asking directly

[valid folio]

Anyway I retreat into the depths (going to actually play Warframe so I can grind for some orbiter decorations), DE, please let Marie move in with us, I beg 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Honestly the conversation went on way longer than it needed to

[night zephyr]

Ok Spore enemy nation I am conversing with and decide to insult

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/grox-grob-grox-spore-gremlin-spore-gif-27285697

[feral barn]

So, I'm 2 days away from getting Entrati Family to R5, last time I spoke to the triad I'd told Marie Roathe would be very proud of her, how far away am I from seeing the ending for these characters?

[primal gyro]

GOOD ENDING OVER YONDER

[hearty pendant]

spore mentioned

[reef compass]

Afaik from interviews, Tau is ||going to be the next arc, after "the Origin System" and will be adding over time, with the current Perita moon first||

Which would mean a more standard model of f2p game

[shadow forum]

🤔 I hope we see bunch of characters, I would gladly see stalker and jade in TAU.

👀

[reef compass]

Yeah seems new arcs will be there and maybe visit back from time to time

[uncut solar]

Source?

[reef compass]

I expect more ||Sirius/Orion|| there

[uncut solar]

It looked like they're just making it the next major update

[shadow forum]

[covert quest]

what is DE doing 😭

[uncut solar]

Not really a "next story arc"

[zenith jacinth]

trying to enforce a mechanic that only serves to annoy people

[shadow forum]

So operator will dream about TAU and relay,adis and some other characters.
Drifter will deal with a devil uriel and doing a stuff bunch of with the fights and gathering information about entrati to find him.
So lotus is focusing more dreams to find informations stored in tenno's memory.
Plus will there be before TAU some side quests.

[reef compass]

I am trying to search for it cause I am pretty sure I didnt dream it xD

[shadow forum]

Looks like another dream

[feral barn]

Guys please, let me know if I can continue the Kim chats

[feral barn]

He's just a smoll little guy

[feral barn]

Can I say I don't think Roathe was turned into a protoframe in the normal way?

It looks like Entrati forcedly fused Roathe and the actual Uriel frame together into 1

[reef compass]

Ugh cant find it, may be hot air from me and misinterpreted some news.

But I was pretty sure idk

Yeah from the shacknews interview it just mentions going to Tau, as most other stuff. For all we know it could just be another content island

[feral barn]

We do see a star chart in the missions we already have

[undone widget]

Why does Marie has Anathema? :/, and how can I remove that?

Roathe had it too but was able to remove it

As you can see, I have the “close” relationship status

This is getting annoying now, I did nothing wrong at all. And now idk how to fix it

[night zephyr]

|| Roathe actually took the serum himself ||

[pure merlin]

He did ?

[worn fjord]

a bug I’m pretty sure. Someone mentioned when they started romancing Lyon, Marie started talking again lmao so ..it’s a bug

Unless I’m missing something

[zenith jacinth]

yes

[undone lodge]

The transformation fuses with clothes that the proto is wearing when they get injected, it’s just more noticeable on Roathe because of how much of it in plain view + it being armour

[pure merlin]

Do you remember the rank and convo where that's mentionned ?

[undone widget]

Bruh xd, I’m dating Lyon right now actually xd, but our last talk. Went well, if I’m correct. The Anathema text, didnt came up afterwards, (might be wrong tbh) and then went back on today, and saw that.

And the last text, had 2 red sentence’s (which is a good thing lol), so yeah xd

[undone lodge]

You can see it pretty clear with Aoi too, kinda looks like a bit of sweater and leotard or something

[zenith jacinth]

I haven't had it yet so no

and I don't look at kimulacrum

[undone widget]

Yes

[night zephyr]

The rank was Close, I just imagine it's one in the pile of those

[pure merlin]

Alright thanks, I'll check, don't think I ever got that convo

[worn fjord]

so a visual bug.. interesting that it went off and came back on lmao

Marie: “let me just block and unblock them”

[night zephyr]

I imagine if you are at that rank, next daily reset you can cycle for it I think it started like "what do you think of lyon/marie"

[undone widget]

Yeahhh, ima wait at 12am (my time, that’s when the dailies and kim resets(

And if that’s don’t fix it… well I’m yk… can’t talk to her anymore xd

[undone widget]

Haha, more like the opposite

[worn fjord]

Also congrats on romancing Lyon! Can’t wait to start mine

[undone widget]

If it helps, I can show ya the last messages I had with her?

[undone widget]

Oh thank you, thank you

His a cutie he is

[worn fjord]

Eh well I want to catch up instead of being spoiled on the specifics so I’ll pass on that

[undone widget]

Fair enough

[worn fjord]

But you got red texts so that’s good!!

[pure merlin]

Yeah I got the conversation to ask him what he thought of the zealots, he just said he's fond of them and nothing else, but I'm at the Best Friends/Loved ranked rn so

[undone widget]

Yes. But not good being blocked for no reason xd

[night zephyr]

I remember asking about Marie so there is likely a different fork

[worn fjord]

She’s new to 1999 tech give her some time

[undone widget]

Hahah, ah yes. She’s like: what does this button do?

[pure merlin]

Yep, you're right, it's when you ask about Marie

[worn fjord]

Need a fanart of these bugs everyone is getting

[undone widget]

If I’m still block by Marie. And idk how to fix it. Well I be very annoyed and upset xd

[night zephyr]

What about Lyon?

[undone widget]

Haha, like I had the anathema for Roathe but was able to fix it by defeating him 21 times

Which idk why I got it, cause I had red texts with him as well xd

[pure merlin]

He also says it apparently

But he doesn't mention it if you ask about the zealots

[night zephyr]

Oh ok interesting

[pure merlin]

Ig he does reference it in another convo way before that also, that I didn't understand at the time

[worn fjord]

Oh that’s not a bug. That happens so DE makes the player defeat Roathe 21 times otherwise you won’t progress with a ending with him

[undone widget]

Oh yeah, Ive figured xd but, I didn’t knew about that at all.

But I didn’t knew Marie and maybe Lyon? That they can block you? :/

So, I hope it is a visual bug or just a bug, or a way to fix it

[tight pagoda]

Not a bug, you just pissed them off

Depending on how, you can fix it by chatting with a non-blocked member and asking for help

[undone widget]

For asking her “how is she?”

[tight pagoda]

What was the chat? Send a screenshot?

[undone widget]

We were talking about her floaty

[undone widget]

Yeahh, gimme a sec

Gonna be a scuff-ish pic cause on Xbox xd, so it’ll be on my phone

[tight pagoda]

lol no worries

[undone widget]

I’ll blurr it, to not spoil the chat

[undone widget]

But now kinda re-reading it. Maybe I did? But kinda seems like she was venting, more like?…

[analog moat]

Question does resetting the trio make it slower to rank up ?

[tight pagoda]

Oh that does read like a bug

[tight pagoda]

Rank up how?

[analog moat]

Like - close , trusted ect

[jaunty creek]

is this veso just chilling here lmaooo

[undone widget]

Hmm, okay… hopefully it’s a visual bug (and if it does not get fix by 12am) where the dailies gets reset.Then maybe need to wait for a patch

[jaunty creek]

ik he died but i think its jsut an easter egg

[worn fjord]

Probably. But lore wise are these ppl “trapped/sleeping”?

[tight pagoda]

I don't think it'd slow them down? Especially if you get the ||Loid Family|| ending because that doesn't reset

[jaunty creek]

all of them are sleeping except this guy who is moving and jumping around in there

so that makes me think its an easter egg

[tight pagoda]

They're to be veiled

[analog moat]

I only got that on roathe before reset || I have he knows reset and date deal right now & just got the did the 21 level last night || for the game mode

[tight pagoda]

You'll know what that means soon

[jaunty creek]

im replaying the quest ik that but this guy is an easter egg for veso im pretty sure same face and hes the only one not sleeping

[pure merlin]

I mean, all corpus kinda have the same faces

[jaunty creek]

yea thats true

idk we have to get de confirmation one day

[pure merlin]

No body, who knows

Maybe he's still alive somewhere

[reef compass]

They keep going back and forth with the being dead or disappeared

[jaunty creek]

nah rebecca confirmed hes dead on a devstream i think

[reef compass]

Yeah and in another disappeared and who knows

[pure merlin]

I'm sure Ballas is still alive, somehow

[reef compass]

I will keep being called crazy but I still believe he is in Erra/Pazuul somehow lol

[pure merlin]

Wish we could actually free Erra

If Ballas' not Pazuul, maybe he made Pazuul and he's still alive

[feral barn]

Interesting

[prisma fox]

Protoframe headcanon: proto-Voruna would wear the Three Wolf Moon shirt

[amber terrace]

How hard would I have to bully Roathe to make my Tenno dive into the hellscape that is my irl mind?

[mental ice]

Proto-Voruna would have corgi doge head.

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogeintensifies-intensifies-gif-26078979

[feral barn]

Proto Voruna would wear ripped clothing shaped like Lingerie or actual Lingerie

Why? Because it's Voruna, she just doesn't care, she bites

[mental ice]

Albrecht giving serum to a veterinarian who made a mistake and applied it to a doggo

[uncut solar]

proto voruna is obviously wearing a fursuit

the new dead of the dead mask is a subtle hint

[ebon ore]

what

[undone widget]

She still Anathema xd (the dating sim has restarted)

[solid otter]

Are you gonna actually explain this or is it just a weird gross thing you wanted

[ebon ore]

okay wait so, i need to do more descendia to fix this. would it count if i did the boss fight over and over, or do i need to run the entire descendia?

[analog moat]

Chat I need hellp

[solid otter]

Like. Proper lore reason as to why someone in Europe would be wearing just that.

[solid otter]

Kimulacrum, it can help you better than a lot of folk here can

[analog moat]

I don’t remember seeing this but I will check

[hearty pendant]

just the boss

[ebon ore]

bet

thank you :)

[undone widget]

MARIE IS FIX FOR ME

[feral barn]

Voruna's default skin can be viewed as Lingerie, that's why

[analog moat]

FOUND TY

[tight pagoda]

Why am I anathema with Roathe? I listened to all his dialogues-- I got the honoria for it too

[undone widget]

You need to defeat him 21 times

Oh nvm, Hnm

Maybe wait for the next reset?

Happened to me as well

[tight pagoda]

I've had 4 chats with him since

One of them was him calling me a fool for continuing, and begging for me to reset their memories

[ornate thunder]

what this mean?

[ornate thunder]

go further in descendia, dont listen to him,

[solid otter]

And i suppose Mag has a a turtleneck then??

[undone widget]

Keep going, I remember I had to defeat him more than 21 times

[feral barn]

Honestly? Kinda? You can see it.....but she's wearing a leotard

[tight pagoda]

Roathe is trying to get Loid to speak to the Family, so this just adds to the success

[robust swallow]

guys, it's stuck, relogin is not helping

anyone else with that problem?

[ornate thunder]

but its with marie tho

[tight pagoda]

Yeah so she's agreed to help

[ornate thunder]

long story short, what do i pick here to make the good ending w marie lol

[ornate thunder]

cuz i already reseted one t ime, i dont want to do itagain

[amber terrace]

TW: Lyon about hurting himself
If I am to pester the fine folks here, I am having a tad of trouble with social cues,,, yet again. Part of me wishes to thank Lyon for being able to seek help, the other part of me wishes to see if the conversation would continue if I were to express my trust and say I wanted to walk through it with Lyon

[mental ice]

What's that? 😮 Neither of mine show anathema

[sturdy osprey]

Can anyone help me with this?

[dry cove]

I did the reset and now Roathe wants to make another deal to succeed in uniting the Devil's Triad but we'll owe him. Should I take it?

[ornate thunder]

reset, i suppose

[sturdy osprey]

Damn

So do I have to wait all those days again?

[obtuse gyro]

talk to roathe or lyon

[obtuse gyro]

hes not making another deal, in his mind its the first deal he's made with you

[hearty pendant]

||both result in the same thing, so whichever you feel like saying||
personally, i went with the second

[sturdy osprey]

Talk like in person or computer?

[obtuse gyro]

computer

that note at the bottom of marie means either one of them can trigger the MarieRepair convo

[feral barn]

Given that only tomorrow I'll be able to get the Entrati Family to R5, can I resume the Kim chats? I left it alone after tell Marie Roathe would be proud of her mindset

[delicate lagoon]

I'm just curious, but is it normal for Lyon to have two bullet points whereas Marie/Roathe have three bullet points?

[sturdy osprey]

Is there a certain dialogue I should be looking for?

[dry cove]

So it's ok to agree? I will still be able to increase the thermostat counter with him to redeem him?

[delicate lagoon]

I'm curious to see if I missed some hidden chat that gives Lyon a third bullet point status of sort

[obtuse gyro]

making a deal with roathe is like the most low level thing in the convo

like its the starter to the whole thing

did you reject him the last time?

[obtuse gyro]

its a whole conversation

[sturdy osprey]

Have you ever gotten it?

[feral barn]

I've asked like 4 times, can someone just let me know if Roathe and the others get affected by the Entrati Family yet or not

[obtuse gyro]

there will come a conversation where roathe will talk to you about sending loid upstairs, you will eventually talk to him about needing lyon and marie, and you will have the option to tell him who is willing and who is not, roathe will accommodate accordingly

and then you need to not bungle it with marie a second time

[obtuse gyro]

like for entrati standing?

like you shouldnt need to put off your kimchats, they'll let you know that you need to up your entrati standing before the plan can work

[abstract sorrel]

I’m R3 with Entrati

[feral barn]

https://tenor.com/view/faceplant-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-prime-fall-down-crash-landing-gif-27268690

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[obtuse gyro]

plus since youre getting R5 tomorrow, youre already in a good enough spot to clear the bar easy

[uncut solar]

What's the minimum?

[obtuse gyro]

minimum? entrati rank 5 lol

[cinder marten]

calling it rn, Nitokh will be the next big bad

[obtuse gyro]

I need to find the boolean

[quick smelt]

“Minimum? Nah we do maximum.”

[feral barn]

Other than that and 21 Kills of Roathe, don't think I need anything else right?

[lament thicket]

CHAT

CHAT I DID IT

(chopped graphics cause potato laptop. Please bare with me)

https://tenor.com/view/ksi-yes-gif-26070625

[uncut solar]

Ouch

[feral barn]

Hm.....seems like a bad time to confess my feelings to Marie when she's talking about viewing Entrati as a dad, buuuuuuut-

[lament thicket]

Hasn't stopped me.

[feral barn]

XD

[uncut solar]

So that's why they made the standing acquisition easier for Entrati...

[lament thicket]

BTW

Once you get alone time with one of the Triads, you are able to get alone time with them every week. Wait 7 days, you get to kiss your man/woman.

[feral barn]

WHY IS SHE SO CUTE

[lament thicket]

SHE IS CUTE

God it was so worth it...

I can sleep good now.

[feral barn]

Do I tease marriage?

Yes, yes I do

[lament thicket]

Y e s .

[feral barn]

AND WE DATING THE NUN!!!

[lament thicket]

Yes. I did tease the nun to say to pay attention to me.

Do I regret it?

N o .

[obtuse gyro]

and whether your thermostat isnt middling

[feral barn]

Thermostat?

[obtuse gyro]

theres a hidden counter called the thermostat that affects roathe

[mental ice]

https://tenor.com/view/thermostat-family-guy-donttouchthethermostat-gif-14387233

[dusty wyvern]

I guess Roathe dating scene thing ||unlocks at rank 6||

is it a hot take if I liked the hex content a lot more than this batch? he's still my favorite tho

[lament thicket]

Also speaking of.

I got to talk to Lyon about Roathe being at an impasse. So he said to go do descendia to fight him for that. So yeah. Guess I'll have to go bully him despite him saying no.

[feral barn]

And that is...what exactly?

[lament thicket]

Actually one quick question. Can I just go kill Roathe directly without going through all of the descendia since I already did both SP and normal yesterday.

[zenith pollen]

yes

[pure merlin]

It does unlock at rank 6

[obtuse gyro]

in the negs ||roathe doubles down and stays bad (villain ending)||
above 4/5 ||roathe is redeemed||
in between 0-4 || roathe is a wet noodle, might ask you to reset, not sure need to check||

[lament thicket]

Alright thank you.

[dusty wyvern]

yea i just got it today

[feral barn]

Ok, how do I control that to be above 4/5?

[dry cove]

So apparently I got the chat after the reset with Roathe and he knows about the reset and has agreed to go along with it and he says I owe him. Here's hoping I get a chat tomorrow that increases his thermostat counter.

[obtuse gyro]

you needed to have picked all the dialogue options that set his ass on fire

[hearty pendant]

thermostat increases by challenging his views + telling him that people can change
there's also some bits in other chats that can change it. they usually fall into the latter.

[feral barn]

How? XD

[feral barn]

Got it xD

[obtuse gyro]

homie youve reset, youve now got all the thermostat changing convos ahead of you

[hearty pendant]

enjoy RoatheKnowsReset2

[dry cove]

That's good. I reset because I didn't have enough to redeem him since I wasn't aware of the counter previously.

[dry cove]

Should I be relieved or worried?

[lament thicket]

This was so worth the trouble.

[hearty pendant]

neither. he'll occasionally jab at you for resetting but that's about it afaik

[pure merlin]

RoatheResetDealComplete corresponds to what ? Agreeing to reset his memories and completing the deal ?

[hearty pendant]

looks like its resetting and making a deal in general
whether its in regards to the family, a certain partner, or the serum

[pure merlin]

Alright, thanks

[feral barn]

I seem to not be able to do the kiss yet

[nocturne garnet]

so I beat roathe 21 times
and yet he still refuses to talk

[feral barn]

He'll talk next day, or do a mission to reset the Kim chats

[nocturne garnet]

damn it was just daily reset

[feral barn]

Eleanor is such a ride or die

[hallow wharf]

Wth💔💔

Still romanced to her btw

[pastel pasture]

yeah KIM chat is super bugged

[pure merlin]

Might be a bug

[wary lintel]

Is there any known way to remove it?

[pastel pasture]

my plan is honestly to see what happens and reset devil's once christmas break is over and the bugs get fixed

[nocturne garnet]

Eleanor and Marie both in a lesbian poly relationship with my drifter on god

[feral barn]

Same, I need thar kiss unlocked

[placid shadow]

the same thing for me

[nocturne garnet]

girls night out (we're all killing tech rot and murmur)

[feral barn]

How'd you get the kiss scene?

[hallow wharf]

It fixed after I had a conversation with Lyon thankfully

[dusty wyvern]

yea, i'mma wait til some hotfixes go out to reset

[night zephyr]

She's so on board for all that, love Eleanor

[hallow wharf]

Nooooooo
I'm at rank 6 for Lyon and Marie but still Close for Roathe

[solid otter]

... did you do the "I agreed with her about Albrecht" thing to try and romance her

[pastel pasture]

Roathe is a weird one

The VMs also tend to get in the way of his conversations

[lament thicket]

I believe once you date her, increase your chemistry with her further and you will get a inbox message where you can take her on a date. Once you have that, talk to her in the cathedrale and you can have some alone time.

[brazen glen]

why roathe saying "Im gonna kill everyone infront of entrati", then in his notes it says "Me and roathe are the best of friends. Who knew it could be like this?"

[solid otter]

Because it can be both iirc

[real niche]

Someone hasn't had a best friend like that before (joke)

[solid otter]

You can get villain roathe and still romance him afaik

[brazen glen]

This is like the mentality of a black cat

[solid otter]

He is very black cat coded

If he wasn't a brunette/j

[brazen glen]

Yeah I got villian ending lol, if he gets redeemed does he like change completly or does he just not say stuff like this?

[feral barn]

Gotcha

[feral barn]

Black cats are either chill af or a goblin/gremlin

[feral barn]

I mean...many women I've seen would 100% love that

So it's a plus xD

[night zephyr]

He's more... Chill? Talks less about murdering everyone and taking over stuff

[frosty swift]

I'm scared

[lament thicket]

Go on.

[hearty pendant]

there would never be consequences in the game with a guy that emails you about your actions having consequences

[lament thicket]

How I feel after getting the kiss from Marie.

[feral barn]

OH YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO ASK HER

[night zephyr]

Imagine she sics her rats on you

[feral barn]

That Latina experience on display

[lament thicket]

You better pray she doesn't have a chancla in hand.

https://tenor.com/view/sandal-asian-mom-gif-2809183082583096903

[pastel pasture]

ah yes

[feral barn]

Lettie proceeds to break time and space to murder the competition

[pastel pasture]

the character assassination Lettie consent chat

where Lettie acts completely in character

[lament thicket]

Aoi was pretty chill about it honestly.

[lament thicket]

Uh oh. Lmao

[pastel pasture]

oh...they all are

[feral barn]

Eleanor was quite in character too

[pastel pasture]

every single person is chilll with it

[lament thicket]

Eleanor and Aoi are probably the ones that make more sense and are pretty okay with it.

[pastel pasture]

every single consent chat has the drifter meakly suggestioning it only for the person to instantly understand and say "I just wish i could meet them."

[night zephyr]

I feel like for certain characters you would have to choose between them because they don't like to share

Or take some finessing

[lament thicket]

A LOT. Of finessing.

[weak cosmos]

I just heard the voice message number 21 of Roathe and let me ask if I got it right

[night zephyr]

Rather than them all going "oh ok"

[pastel pasture]

I've said before but Amir would consent but only because he's scared if he says no you'll leave him

[night zephyr]

Yeh

[weak cosmos]

||entrati didnt force Roathe to use the serum||

[frosty swift]

Lettie wants to meer Lyon, I'm cooked

[lament thicket]

Honestly would argue that the 3 that would require to finesse would be Lettie, Arthur and Quincy.

[night zephyr]

Correct

He did it willingly

[feral barn]

She's more hot about it, plus she actively would see everything we do in that regard and might also get some of those feelings poured into her

WHY IS HORN WORD NOT ALLOWED

[night zephyr]

I agree

[lament thicket]

Pretty much, yes. He did so willingly in an attempt to essentially redeem himself. I think. I've yet to talk to him further on the matter.

[weak cosmos]

Then, the orokin CAN be forgiven?

[grave nimbus]

what

[feral barn]

THATS PRECISELY WHAT ELEANOR DID

[night zephyr]

It's complicated 😔 maybe 1 (one) orokin

[lament thicket]

Ignore it. I just went and confessed to her twice. Free chemistry.

[lament thicket]

Orokins themselves aren't inherently evil. They just grew up in an environment where the things we see as bad was the norm.

Ballas is the exception. He's dead to me.

[night zephyr]

He has the insight to reflect upon his history, and is willing to change so that's worth something

[feral barn]

I agree, Aoi and Eleanor are the freaks of the group, so the more the merrier in these instances, Amir is just....happy to be there

[lament thicket]

The Entrati Family? Good folks all of them.

[night zephyr]

Oh Lettie is plenty freaky just only for you

[feral barn]

We canonically kill him twice and we want to do it a third time

[lament thicket]

Albrecht? He means well but man is he shit when it comes to doing good.

[feral barn]

Precisely

[lament thicket]

Roathe? He's honestly the only Orokin I'm GENUINELY cool with because he is one who does not mince words at all and is willing to keep it straight with you no strings attached.

[night zephyr]

I do not like him for his abandonment of the Cavia because I am fond of animals

[lament thicket]

He may be an ass at times but he's speaking honestly.

[feral barn]

I think it's due to both respect and fear in a way

[night zephyr]

Or gay with you depending on your drifter.. I jest but I agree

[feral barn]

Roathe himself asks us how do we have the power to conquer and burn all but refuse to use it for such things, instead we act as therapist and clean up crew

[lament thicket]

Like I said. All his actions are to fight what he has commenced AKA the Indifference. He means well but its at the expense of those around him. His daughter, the Cavia, Loid and the Protoframes. All of them are subject of suffering due to Albrecht's trying to do good.

[feral barn]

Roathe on all accounts respects us as an equal and fears us for what we are

[night zephyr]

Yeah, at what point does one see the good they try to do is harming many along the way

He may never, I dunno

[lament thicket]

Remember: he's Orokin. They tend to justify the means of anything they do.

[night zephyr]

True

[lament thicket]

ESPECIALLY someone as dedicated as Albrecht.

[night zephyr]

I forget sometimes cause he's not blue ngl

[night zephyr]

I would fear the time-hopping killing machine too

[feral barn]

Reminder, orokin are simply humans

[night zephyr]

Humans who think they're gods or tried to reach that level I guess

[lament thicket]

So to him, everything he does are means to an end. As long as it defeats the Indifference, he WILL stick true to his path, even if it leaves a trail of suffering behind.

[night zephyr]

Hubris is through the roof

[feral barn]

And technically succeeded on a few regards

[night zephyr]

It is unfortunate 😔

[eager dagger]

At this point the indifference is the bigger threat so id have to agree anything and everything to stop it

[feral barn]

I won't lie that the Orokin had the best fashion

[night zephyr]

They did have some good endo wells in ayatan sculptures

[lament thicket]

This ALSO includes the part where he quite literally was willing to sacrifice the Hex because they were a means to defeat the Indifference. And then he left us with a clue of how to save them: "Not unless you know them."

[feral barn]

The problem is that very mindset feeds AND powers the indifference

[night zephyr]

Me when people are a means to an end

[lament thicket]

Ballas' outfit was good. But that's the ONLY compliment he'll ever be getting from me.

[feral barn]

SAME

[night zephyr]

I love that they always give us one more reason to hate Ballas

[eager dagger]

We don’t directly feed the indifference it’s a void born entity basically fugging about in our reality - stopping him is the only option

He does love his deals tho

Great bargain shopper

I am curious tho if you can travel to 1999 just travel back to before Albrect tests the bell and get home not to - indifference is never awoken

[feral barn]

Indeed, but the matter of the fact is, Entrati is setting up a back up plan, us and all the fixing the mess he leaves behind.

Entrati himself states that the foil to any of the Indifference's plans is "Love", not necessarily romantic, but simply between people, that caring for others can put a stop to it

[night zephyr]

Drifter is the emotional clean up crew

[feral barn]

Entrati is gunnin for Tau fir something to stop the indifference

We are just the back up plan if he fails

[eager dagger]

Yes stop the indifference cold like just the emotion of love stops it

[lament thicket]

Albrecht left the Drifter with a clue on how to save the Hex Members. Which was to know them better, to understand and maybe even have relationships with them. By being closer to them they in turn, trusted you enough to let you use Transference to them to help them. Helping Eleanor with the stopping the Infested Hivemind takeover, helping Quincy and Aoi with their Warframe powers, and helping Amir learning about the powers of the Parazon.

[eager dagger]

Spoiler alert he actually meant learn how to pilot the new meat suits 🤣 (kidding because they’re all warframes)

[lament thicket]

Then there's Arthur who essentially was THE biggest wall due to him being so isolated.

[eager dagger]

The consistent theme seems to be compassion

[lament thicket]

He only broke down his walls after trusting the Drifter.

[lament thicket]

I mean Albrecht said it himself. The secret to beating the Indifference is love.

[feral barn]

Exactly, compassion for others, not indifference just because it'd be easier

[night zephyr]

He puts on a tough front but he is so fragile under it all

[feral barn]

We've seen what happens when certain people are left behind due to indifference

[lament thicket]

I think probably the hilarious part is the Indifference's attempt at swaying you to stop saving them as "it wouldn't change a thing".

[feral barn]

Hell, we literally have a quest about it

[eager dagger]

This would connect the dots so much better if we knew what the indifference wants -from the Kim chats we know the murmur is the indifference trying to understand the human form but not

[night zephyr]

One of the few examples of "power of friendship" trope I like

[lament thicket]

To which the drifter had a very nice and honestly sensible comeback: "Then why are you trying so hard to stop me?"

[night zephyr]

That was so funny, ragebait fail

[feral barn]

My exact response "Next stop will be my feet on your mouth and I'll rewind time to do it twice!"

[eager dagger]

We’ve altered every outcome the indifference said we couldn’t

[lament thicket]

He ended up getting ragebaited himself in his attempt at ragebaiting the Drifter.

[night zephyr]

Indifference versus Drifter

[feral barn]

When the trope is done well, it can be called cliché, but it doesn't matter, you feel it

It's good

[night zephyr]

I agree

I like when you actually feel an emotional connection that was built up, that makes it very powerful

[eager dagger]

I hope that isn’t where the ending of this saga is going like make it more meaningful then that

[night zephyr]

And then I'm like whatever go beam of love

[lament thicket]

Beam of love indeed...

My Drifter lowkey about to use Voruna just for Marie.

[eager dagger]

“Beam of love” (incinerates enemies)

[night zephyr]

LOL Wisp's abilities will be very useful

[night zephyr]

Kirby basically

[lament thicket]

I am the Alpha Wolf for Marie.

God I had to facepalm after saying that.

LMAO

[eager dagger]

[feral barn]

Also it is interesting how well the Drifter is built up.

Duviri they learn to feel again, for themselves and others

In New War they learn what it is like out there, to fight for something again

In 1999 they learn to share their emotions and be compassionate

[night zephyr]

I'm saying like I've seen some of the "my wolf" sentences and playing Voruna most of the time it feels like oh, me

[feral barn]

On paper it looks so simple, but it's impressive how few media pulls off stuff like this

[night zephyr]

I don't date her but it is so sweet

[valid folio]

BTW, roathe teases you saying " that floating gimmick better get good use, or I'll be very disappointed in you. God knows she uses it to annoy me well enough"

Roathe, it's getting used well 😳

[night zephyr]

I do love that

[night zephyr]

omg 😭

[solid otter]

[lament thicket]

Duviri was the prison they left.

New War was the drive Drifter needed to stay in the Origin System and not go back.

1999 gave Drifter an even bigger purpose to protect and cherish those he/she loved.

[night zephyr]

He's a freak

That tail better be getting use

[feral barn]

I love how Roathe is just the audience for that

[valid folio]

DUDE HE'S SO FUNNY

[eager dagger]

that’s the one thing that gives me the ick is romancing the NPC’s

[valid folio]

I LOVE HIM

[night zephyr]

He sits back and watches everything

[lament thicket]

He will also comment about how he isn't jealous and that he is happy for us. Forgot the exact lines but it's something along those lines.

[feral barn]

That is another way to look at it yeah xD

[solid otter]

I dont really see where the Roathe love is from. He's not particularly funny, he has some lines yes but its all. Haha i hate you * insult *

[valid folio]

I've collected a lot of things he says about the relationship and he says "That woman is far too kind for her own good.

Abuse it and I'll break every bone in your body, twice, are we understood?"

And like oml he's so adorable

[solid otter]

Humour is subjective i suppose

[night zephyr]

In the romance cutscenes specifically Roathe it just makes me want growl sound effects on the Uriel Warframe, outside of the brief use in the old peace quest

[eager dagger]

He’s severly traumatized so his Verizon of funny is dark

[solid otter]

What-

[night zephyr]

I think he's funny but you are right it's subjective

[valid folio]

He asks you if she "Delivers homilies during coitus" that's hilarious I can't lie

[lament thicket]

I believe I'm too much old to understand the implications of this.

[feral barn]

I believe is because he's honest and you can easily tell when he isn't, you have someone that technically is on the same level as you in terms of mentality and experience, there's no filter with him

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/qazqaz-gif-6790593549618684130

[valid folio]

The shameless Google search on my part did give me a chuckle 😅

[solid otter]

Suddenly im growing to hate the triad more and more.

[night zephyr]

I like that he is both honest and has a lot deep down at the same time and you kind of pry that out of him

[valid folio]

I prefer them to the Hex??

[solid otter]

Eh

[night zephyr]

Also the voice does wonders , René Zagger did very well

I thought Emet Selch had a lot of charm so it's a no brainer I guess

[cinder marten]

If they bring nitokh as the next big bad there will be nitokh simps

[night zephyr]

Isn't that the reason he was hired for Roathe lol

[lament thicket]

He's one of the few that will not mince his word and will tell it to you straight. He is, however, very much not honest despite being so blunt with us.

[valid folio]

I love the triad soooo much

[night zephyr]

That's why I like him it's that duality of being upfront but also has a lot he's not saying

[valid folio]

Another line he says "Just between us, she must me be a fiend behind closed doors yes?"

[obtuse gyro]

thats why he runs away the moment you cut him deep LOL

[night zephyr]

Oh my god bruh

[solid otter]

I think their individual writing is fine but the rest is.

[obtuse gyro]

"stop talking about things you dont know about"

okay mr YAPPER

[solid otter]

Mediocre.

[feral barn]

That's the thing, I think he is honest, but not telling full truths, lying through omission, only time where that doesn't really happen is when he asks us to not go deeper into his mind

[cinder marten]

Revive me nyeeeeoooooowwww

[night zephyr]

I picked some line where it was like ended on "for failing" and mic drop

[lament thicket]

Her and Ballas are the reason Adis is dead. If she even appears once during our excursion through Tau I WILL execute her.

[valid folio]

Some of them are voice lines, I can send you the videos I recorded of them if you'd like

[eager dagger]

The triad is better then the hex only in that both are stupid tropey ideas but in the Triad we have a playable Orokin and that’s an inventive idea

[lament thicket]

Speaking of the Old Peace...

[solid otter]

Her and Roathe, and ballas too

[valid folio]

I like Lyon decently enough to convince me to play Harrow and buy his gemini

[solid otter]

Don't forget that.

[cinder marten]

She will be ten times worse than ballas bc she was the warmonger after they voted for peace lol

[feral barn]

I think the Triad is nearly as good as the HEX, but they simply lacks emotional weight

[lament thicket]

Ah right I forgot Roathe was part of the coup...

[valid folio]

I think it might be a product of the nature of the update

[solid otter]

They feel rushed and ill fitted imo.

[night zephyr]

I can probably find them on the sound database, as long as I don't get spoiled too much but I appreciate it regardless, I bet his line delivery is great

[valid folio]

The delivery is AMAZING

I spent so long in his menu just listening to him

[obtuse gyro]

theres something really funny about this orokin brought low going "ElEvEn" that sends me

[night zephyr]

They do not have The Great Despair at their side

[lament thicket]

Honestly the fact that they feel like that makes lowkey kind of sense in the context of what the hell happened to them. Literally Albrecht came to their doorstep with Roathe, offered them the protoframe serum and left just as quickly leaving them the task to help Drifter.

[valid folio]

By this I mean it's the equivalent of what Whispers in the Walls was to 1999, Old Peace is WITW for Tau

[night zephyr]

No cause the more I went some of his screams of the numbers were so funny, he goes high and squeaky in an exasperated tone that Emet Selch didn't have, not to this degree at least

Sixteen even got a Castlevania nod hah

[feral barn]

The HEX you had an entire quest focused around them, one of the biggest cinematic quests of the game ever, their emotional weight carried these characters a step higher for the Kim chats

With the Triad it's an extra to the cinematic quest, any emotional weight comes from the Kim chats, you don't see these characters interact and move with each other in mind, only describe how they speak to one another

[cinder marten]

Ballas wanted peace as a ceasefire
Nitokh wanted war just because
Roathe wanted to continue the war to destabilize the empire

[night zephyr]

Then he starts whimpering for you to stop 😔

[solid otter]

Im sorry

That is a man going through literal hell

[valid folio]

I can see that, I want the triad to be expanded like the Hex but I feel like that is merely a dream

[night zephyr]

That is true they were the big thing

[solid otter]

How is him being genuinely distressed a good thing

[obtuse gyro]

high and squeaky and then deflated after I keep beating him for the love of the game

[night zephyr]

Devil triad is off to the side for you to discover I guess

[cinder marten]

Do you think that margulis influenced ballas into voting for peace?

[night zephyr]

The way he says it is funny

[obtuse gyro]

no, my read is that ballas only pushed for peace while knowing he was going to undermine it in order to satisfy all factions within the 7

[lament thicket]

Ballas was playing long con.

[valid folio]

I feel like they're more connected to Tau's story to NOT be developed upon

[lament thicket]

He NEEDED to vote for Peace for the plan to properly go through.

[obtuse gyro]

vote for peace so scarnes group is happy, then blow it up so nitohks group is happy

[cinder marten]

My read is similar in that they used the peace to prepare themselves better against the sentients

[feral barn]

Minerva, Velimir, Flare and Kaya also suffer the same issue of lacking emotional weight, but not only were none of them datable, all of them had unique interactions that made it clear how each one addresses another before we meet them and simply while they are shops.

Kaya herself had the fact she moved to the present so that was also a bonus

[cinder marten]

It wasn’t a lasting peace, war was always inevitable

[feral barn]

So the emotional weight missing was filled in different ways

[cinder marten]

Others knew that it was a losing war if they continued

[lament thicket]

Lowkey. Eleanor would LOVE to speak to either Marie or Lyon.

[solid otter]

I just think the triad should have been in another update

[cinder marten]

That’s why roathe manipulated nitokh to continue the war because he despised the empire

[lament thicket]

And miss out on Marie? No way! XD

[solid otter]

Yes actually id prefer that over the mess this update was.

[feral barn]

I can agree, had they had their own update to truly shine and be more in depth might have added more of an emotional connection

[night zephyr]

I'm ngl if I were to romance one of them it'd probably be Roathe just cause he's the most interesting to me

[solid otter]

Eh, its just rushed and badly placed

[night zephyr]

If they weren't rushed out the door maybe less typos too, and more time to consider the consent stuff

[feral barn]

We might have that in future story quest, but until then, it's what we got

[feral barn]

Yeah

[solid otter]

The consent convos suck ass

Not even gonna give them benefit of the doubt

It just sucks. They're bad

[feral barn]

From what I've seen, only Eleanor and Aoi make a certain amount of sense, need to see the others though

[night zephyr]

I wouldn't mind as much if they weren't so ooc outside eleanor/aoi

[solid otter]

Lettie directly has a line against jt

[cinder marten]

Oh yeah and maybe satisfy margulis because she might have also advocated for it

[obtuse gyro]

fat lot that did LOL

[night zephyr]

sentient sweep

[feral barn]

Yeah, that's a problem

[solid otter]

But no the shit side of the fandom wanted multiple partners so DE gave them it. God.

It pisses me off so bad.

[night zephyr]

I really thought you would have to choose

[cinder marten]

They had a fighting chance after the tenno had their warframes, i think that they just needed to regroup

[feral barn]

Imagine in a future quest you're forced to choose who lives or dies between the 2 and even if they don't die, that relationship is forever burnt

[valid folio]

Yeah and if that is the fate of the triad, I'll lose hope 😅

[solid otter]

There's little I actually like about the triad outside of their designs and Marie's chats being made so that if you try and do the easy route, she refuses to date you.

Like

[night zephyr]

I'm all for poly but I do think the dialogues could be improved, and maybe some caveats for certain hex

[feral barn]

Easy route? Wtf us the easy route?

[night zephyr]

It should not be easy to land a girl so fine

[solid otter]

If you just agree with her on everything.

[valid folio]

Glazing Entrati, always agreeing with her

[solid otter]

You cant romance her that way

[feral barn]

That's not the easy route that's the little b route

[solid otter]

A lot of people did it

[obtuse gyro]

a fighting chance maybe, but they got booted from Tau, then the sentients crossed over to their surprise, and then beat them black and blue and then to crap on them, faked their own death

[night zephyr]

That's them being desperate and not questioning anything, their fault she turns them down

[feral barn]

https://tenor.com/view/police-coco-jaw-drop-skeleton-shocked-gif-15485742

[night zephyr]

You have to use your brain for these guys

[solid otter]

And several decided that it was alright to confess in a argument. And that's a failstate for her.

Funny as shit ngl

[night zephyr]

Man I'd be pissed too

[valid folio]

That's why I like the writing

[feral barn]

Warframe players....what is your social literacy....

[cinder marten]

Tell me how they got booted from tau, what happened again?