spoiler-chat

[night zephyr]

It keeps a track of how many times you did descendia

[pseudo turtle]

It's Maryna's body he gets given

[night zephyr]

Doesn't matter when

[solid otter]

I mean, its his body now kekw

[weak cosmos]

So it’s normal that after the 18 run he starts to asking you to stop?

[pseudo turtle]

All I'm saying is that body might not be the one he still has

[night zephyr]

Yes

[eager dagger]

It’s in the Traivon story

[weak cosmos]

Thank you

[night zephyr]

He is just afraid but you have to go through them to get him over the hurdle

[pseudo turtle]

the VM titled Sacrifice or is this a seperate story

[eager dagger]

No he says it directly

[pseudo turtle]

Where

[night zephyr]

Can you show the dialogue I'm curious

[pseudo turtle]

If its the VM that doesnt confirm its still the body he's using now

[eager dagger]

Shoot the title I don’t remember it’s the one where he talks about all his troops and one held off progasa as he fled - it’s in and around those stories I might be able to look back in the chat log

[pseudo turtle]

Spoilers for the 16th VM

[eager dagger]

I’m not logged in now but if you have all the stories it’s the one where Roathe is dying in the trench

[pseudo turtle]

Yeah so the VM while it does say he got given a body of one of his troops, doesn't mean he has it now

[eager dagger]

Got the name wrong

[pseudo turtle]

What I am saying is he might not have that body anymore

[night zephyr]

Ok, no problem

[eager dagger]

That’s pretty clear that this is the body

[pseudo turtle]

It might have broken in another battle, and since he's high enough rank he can go through more of them

[night zephyr]

Got it, this is the one I was thinking about yes

[eager dagger]

And I think more over that’s the point of early on telling us this isn’t his original body - and now we have the story for how he got this body

[night zephyr]

I wonder how many he has gone through

It may not be an isolated case

[pseudo turtle]

I mean we know it can't be, he's Orokin, he's gone through the Yuvan theatre multiple times

[eager dagger]

After those stories he bumps in to Entrati so seems that was it for him

And it tied up mentioning his body to use early on

[pseudo turtle]

This story is less "oh he's still using Maryna's body" and more that his troops were so loyal to him as a leader that they would sacrifice anything for him

He could be, but this doesnt mean that he is

if that makes sense

[zenith jacinth]

YES. YOU ARE CORRECT

[eager dagger]

Eh seems more like a basic end of a story from what It said - they bread crumbed something about his current body and now we have the story of what happened ver baitum

[night zephyr]

I am surprised you scrolled up to reply to that, I can't fault you though

[eager dagger]

So is Roathe’s thing now that he willingly accepted becoming a protoframe?

[night zephyr]

Yeah

[eager dagger]

Cuz he’s basically gonna die then

[pseudo turtle]

By the time he was taken by Entrati, the war was over. He could've gotten a new "better" body because he was expected to, or because the body he got was broken from fighting in it

I mean all of the devils triad did

[night zephyr]

Well they'd all die/warframe eventually if it weren't for the drifter loop

[zenith jacinth]

I didn't

discord didn't scroll me down

[night zephyr]

Ohh ok lol

[pseudo turtle]

Drifter will have to loop them to keep them from turning fully into warframes

[night zephyr]

It automatically places me at the bottom, I didn't know

[eager dagger]

Yeah he’s going to be consumed by the warframe but it’s weird if he accepted that over fighting in the war more

[zenith jacinth]

normally it does for me too

[pseudo turtle]

Its less that and more he'd get a new chance at life, away from the orokin society - it was an escape.

[eager dagger]

It’s a death sentence tho

[pseudo turtle]

Thats why he's looped, and Entrati now has Drifter to loop the infected so they dont become full warframes

[night zephyr]

Yeah Entrati seems to "offer a chance" to get out of whatever sticky situation the protoframes-to-be were in

[eager dagger]

Because of Eternaliam they are and aren’t looped and they all end up consumed

[zenith jacinth]

not how eternalism works

[pseudo turtle]

If we're going "eternalism", Roathe did and didn't take the serum, and the orokin empire is both overthrown and thriving

you could do this and that about everything and it would quickly stop making sense

[eager dagger]

Entrati altered those points ts so for them there is a fixed “taking it “ path

[eager dagger]

Incorrect

[zenith jacinth]

eternalism is irrelevant for 99.999% of topics because alternate realities are inaccessible

[pseudo turtle]

Ok but eternalism is a philosophical theorum about the ontological nature of time

[zenith jacinth]

wf etermalism

[pseudo turtle]

Like Drifter comes from an alternative universe, but is now in ours

[eager dagger]

As long as the indifference is involved that isn’t the case - he was able to find his way to an alternate earth in the past

[pseudo turtle]

And Drifter has the ability to loop the people in our universe

[zenith jacinth]

technically they come from the void, which is between realities

[eager dagger]

Because of the void

[zenith jacinth]

1999 is the direct past, not an alternate one

[pseudo turtle]

Drifter is from an alternative timeline where the operator doesnt make the deal who gets trapped in the Void, I thought?

[eager dagger]

No , Entrati alters 1999 by bringing the grey strain with him

[zenith jacinth]

still direct past

[pseudo turtle]

Lizzie proves 1999 is our operator's timeline

[eager dagger]

It’s is not, it’s an alternate past

[zenith jacinth]

or do you disagree with a statement directly from DE

they said in a reddit Q&A that 1999 is the direct past

[pseudo turtle]

And we know XX99 is also connected to our timeline, because they can wander around the sanctum

[eager dagger]

Speaking of Lizzie that’s the reason bc temple as a warframe had to go in to exile and not effect the timeline

[eager dagger]

I agree with what the game says not what’s said outside of it

[lament crest]

Does choosing the name of stalkers little onion baby change any dynamic of the story or is it purely cosmetic like the others I come across? I'm leaning towards Sirius but just want to be sure

[eager dagger]

Not yet no purpose

[zenith jacinth]

that's stupid

disregarding things the creators of the game say

[eager dagger]

That’s lore man it’s always what’s said in game not outside it

[zenith jacinth]

there are exceptions

[eager dagger]

There isn’t

[zenith jacinth]

when the literal developers say something, that is canon

[pseudo turtle]

The game inside proves it as well as the devs...

[zenith jacinth]

to think otherwise is pointlessly dense

[eager dagger]

No when it’s said in game directly it’s canon otherwise it’s just stuff said outside

[zenith jacinth]

you're ragebaiting, screw this

[real niche]

It's the past, not an alternate timeline.

[pseudo turtle]

yeah to not effect the timeline they're in, which is ours

[abstract sorrel]

Orokin

[pseudo turtle]

Blue

[hearty pendant]

what did i walk back in on

[real niche]

A grave misunderstanding of WF lore

[hearty pendant]

as usual, seemingly

[zenith jacinth]

what

[night zephyr]

Many such cases

[abstract sorrel]

Yes

[hearty pendant]

ok so it seems like someone's taking "altered" as "alternate" rather than as "changed"

[solid otter]

There is.

While I don't like taking what the devs say as law, there absolutely are exceptions.

[pseudo turtle]

I mean especially when what they've said is what happens in game as well

can't refute that

[hearty pendant]

interviews and reddit comments meant explicitly for verification/correction vs random devstream/devshort/primetime comment

[fiery turret]

Is the entire point of Marie convo is to convince her entrati isn't as good as she thinks?

[pseudo turtle]

Yes, but if you do it by attacking her or by dishonest means, its not going to end well

[void roost]

is the lyon and marie helping roathe face his truth one last try to get roathe to be better?

[pseudo turtle]

but its spanning over multiple convos, the big one though just relies on those convos

[fiery turret]

I think I failed last time by being both and going back and forth,so I committed to a reset for triad

[wicked iron]

Not gonna lie, the conversation where ||Lyon mentions Crusades|| was actually kind of off-putting to me lol. Marie and Lyon feel kind of weirdly handled to me in general, though.

[pseudo turtle]

why was it offputting?

[fiery turret]

It was about the argument between Tagfer and Marie,I tried but miserably failed to say that Tagfer HATES entrati or something like that,it's hard to remember

[wicked iron]

I think I got through to her on that topic when it came up for me yesterday.

[fiery turret]

For me,she kept on chatting to me,but her chemistry status had no notes

It was like that for a day then I reset after the next convo

[pseudo turtle]

She'll lose notes when you first go into close

[fiery turret]

I thought I failed

[pseudo turtle]

because the game seemingly doesnt have any notes to load for close until like the 2nd close convo

No the game will say Anathema or tell you you have failed in the notes and might need help from Lyon or Roathe if you've failed.

A lot of people assume nothing being there is a bad thing

[storm anvil]

how come the new room to marie and stuff has to only be entered by drifter? is there a lore reason?

[sturdy sun]

Which one, fellas? I feel its either the middle or bottom

[misty sand]

Tf is going on why tf is this game torturing me both of the priests want to date me...how tf did I do that

[solid otter]

There's only one priest lol

[sturdy sun]

Quick people, answer

[misty sand]

Ok ok priest and a nun

[zenith jacinth]

it's drifter content

[wicked iron]

Everything I'm looking at just looks like red flags to me lol

[sturdy sun]

Bruh

Does anyone else here have marie say this? I need help lmao

[zenith jacinth]

middle obv

[sturdy sun]

Definitely not the first option, cause we don't want that. Either middle or bottom

[misty sand]

I just insult my marie...I want to insult lyon but I feel kinda too bad to insoult him

[sturdy sun]

Not helpful

[misty sand]

Middle seems good

[hearty pendant]

pick what you want, no consequences for any of them

[sturdy sun]

Im gonna go with middle

I blame you all if I screw up

😁

[hearty pendant]

just in case you're curious, then

[sturdy sun]

Thank god

How'd you find that? I thought the message threads were bugged

[hearty pendant]

not that i know of
kimulacrum was down for a day after the update so that they could figure out the new formatting that the triad use, but its been fine since

[delicate lagoon]

For Roathe's KIM, how can I tell what 'temperature' the state of the chat is in?

Cause now I'm realizing that it might be a bit... low

[chilly pine]

theres a thermometer in the place where the triad are i think its been said

[hearty pendant]

i've heard that there's an actual thermostat somewhere, but i have no idea if it actually exists or where it is if it does
i'm not sure if there's a way to tell beyond going back through your previous chats (with all of the triad)

[delicate lagoon]

Where exactly in the Cathedral is the thermometer?

[sturdy sun]

Im in the cathedral right now, I dont see any thermo

[boreal pewter]

If Roathe could reverse engineer a helminth, could the grineer queen(s?) do it too, or is Roathe like a smart orokin or are the queen(s) dumb orokins?

[chilly pine]

hmm might notve been the cathedral, mightve been the dark refractum where lotus is now,

[delicate lagoon]

I don't see a thermometer in the Dark Refractum

[hearty pendant]

possibly, but they don't have helminth to do so, nor would it be of much benefit to them?

[abstract sorrel]

What if

The Orokin, as a society, were incapable of redemption

[hearty pendant]

is that not what's been argued for the past 3 days

[abstract sorrel]

Well you know I’ve been thinking about it right

And I think I’m beginning to see where you all are coming from

They never really made any serious attempt to try and change, even knowing what they did was wrong

Even during the Old War, they continued just like they always had

[hearty pendant]

indeed

[chilly pine]

they also had no need to, even with the constant warring between them they couldnt be harmed so why bother?

i think the first genuine threat theyve faced in "recent" history was the tenno.

[abstract sorrel]

There was a need to

Their immortality was achieved through kidnapping children and destroying their minds before overriding it with their own

That’s demonic

[balmy storm]

The sentients were the first genuine threat they faced in centuries

[abstract sorrel]

They did evil acts not because they thought it was necessary, but because they wanted to

They never tried to justify it for a greater good or a necessary evil, they did it for fun

[balmy storm]

They were bored and thought it was funny

Immortality kinda just does that to the human brain, you get bored with eternity
Death is a gift the Orokin threw away

[chilly pine]

there was no need for them to change was what i was saying, and yeah ill give it that the sentients did count as a genuine threat, was basically the infestation, sentients and tenno that were of any actual threat to the orokin, and theyd manage to mostly tame all 3, or so they thought

[abstract sorrel]

I still can’t get on bored with the whole “kill every Orokin” mantra, but perhaps they did need to be forcibly stripped of control over the system and kicked down a few places on the totem pole

No more acting like gods, no more stealing kids

[balmy storm]

I do wish there was a better way (since we have a sample size of 6 that show redemption is possible) but it’s unlikely there was ):

I know I get very emotional about them cause the Orokin are an analogue to some of the worst people humanity has to offer that has power

[chilly pine]

based on what i understand from what was said in the old peace, the orokin basically solved all of lifes problems, so they made drama just to entertain themselves, i think its bad when even other orokin admit they had it coming

[balmy storm]

But the game itself shows us while they did deserve it, for some redemption was viable
It is apparently mostly viable if they’re stuck and have to face mortality but y’know whatever works lol

[balmy storm]

Yup!

[balmy storm]

Also on this
The infestation was likely never a major problem for them as they had mastered biology, though it did take like 18 radiation wars to get it to that point so nvm lol

The tenno were never really a problem or threat until they were

[wicked iron]

I don't like how Drifter just feels like James Bond now. Just running all over and sleeping around with whoever. It feels really out of place in the overall Warframe setting, to me.

[chilly pine]

yeah and the sentients had their rebellion, until the xenoflora and their independance from the hive mind allowed for peace, tenno were generally tame, until they werent

[abstract sorrel]

What probably would’ve been best is forcibly stripping their immortality by getting rid of the Yuvan Clerisy and Continuity

They need to he made to understand they are mortals again

[balmy storm]

the biggest issue is also just making sure they cant get access to their tech too

[balmy storm]

That's kinda up to you though isn't it?

[night zephyr]

It's like orcas playing with dead seals for fun

[wicked iron]

Yeah, but honestly it just being in the game feels more wrong to me over time lol

[night zephyr]

Yeah, unless you're going around with a mission to collect protoframes like Pokémon, it's more of a friend-to-all thing

[abstract sorrel]

The tech can exist, it just can’t be limited to the Orokin alone

They would need to be made to disable the gene locks

[night zephyr]

Eh that's fair, it's pretty different from everything else. Though, I think it is entertaining and has brought new people to the game, then they end up liking the actual core gameplay too hah - personal opinions, and you're definitely not alone in that one.

[abstract sorrel]

But the Orokin are gone

[echo basalt]

kinda sorta

[abstract sorrel]

What matters now is getting a faction in that can compete with the Grineer and corpus that is actually for humanity

[balmy storm]

why didnt all the tenno just use limbo and banish on them actually

[abstract sorrel]

I trust neither with humanity’s future

The corpus live like the Orokin just without the immortality

[wicked iron]

I had a conversation that seems to say there are only a hundred to some hundreds of Tenno. O_o I thought at least a few thousand before. That feels like a weirdly small number of us to have made it through the Old War.

[abstract sorrel]

And the Grineer are just… bad

[night zephyr]

Clearly, the only option is to let Kavats be our supreme overlords

[hearty pendant]

the biggest counterpoint to that is drifter may not know an exact number, nor are they being specific
but yea, we had a number in the thousands before, whether this 'a few hundred' estimate is to be taken as fact or not, i'm not sure

[abstract sorrel]

Maybe they were killed during the old war and collapse

Orokin probably took a few with them let’s be real

[hearty pendant]

the tenno themselves should've been safe in the reservoir, for the most part
at least for the latter half of the war onwards

[abstract sorrel]

The orokin knew about the reservoir I have to assume

[wicked iron]

True.

[echo basalt]

probably just some archimedians and the 7

maybe the emperors assuming they gave a shit

[dark remnant]

Yes, they knew about the Reservoir. The Lotus knew about the Reservoir too. The Lotus was going to keep her tenno safe. Some of them would have been guarding the Reservoir, and we know that the Orokin had nothing else that could match them.
So the only tenno that were vulnerable, were the ones outside the Reservoir. Tuvul managed to snag one. Unfortunately for him, that tenno was in contact with Voruna.

[graceful ginkgo]

Is lies that last VM you get from uriels proto frame?

[hearty pendant]

no, LIES is the 15th, there's 21 total
but those last 6 are locked behind a chemistry rank-up

[graceful ginkgo]

Well I have a little 🚫 symbol on his Kim chat so I guess ill never know what the last 6 are better to leave it in the basement though probablly

[rigid bloom]

ok so idk how spoilery this is, I'm just really happy I finally got the tenet weapon I wanted and my sister of parvos doesn't actually look awful!

[hearty pendant]

you might be able to break the anathema status by doing the remaining descendia runs, not sure

[hearty pendant]

nice, a shame about that bonus % though

[graceful ginkgo]

Does not doing it stop me from progressing anything?

[hearty pendant]

not sure if anything in Marie or Lyon's personal chats are blocked by it, but Roathe's won't progress, and the deal to get Loid up the stairs won't either

[chilly pine]

you can also reset the triad, but youll be starting from scratch with all 3 of them (roathe also knows and calls you out on it)

[graceful ginkgo]

Ya I think I'm actually ok with just leaving it unless loid going upstairs actually does something I definatley don't want to have to go through talking to Marie and Lyon again I think im good

[delicate lagoon]

Ok I'm really worried that I've permenantly botched Roathe's redemption

How can I tell exactly that what I did is pretty much irreversible aside from resetting everything?

[hearty pendant]

there is a difference between the full villain roathe and the status you have
i'd guess there's a convo that'll trigger with one of the other two that will give you another opportunity

[delicate lagoon]

And if either of them do agree to help with Roathe, I get another chance? Cause I also discovered there's a line that says that Roathe's beyond redemption?

[hearty pendant]

you should get another chance if they agree, yes

[delicate lagoon]

Now... how would I know that they will help with Roathe or not in advance?

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[frigid canopy]

Damn, Lyon is just one un-pleasantry after another for me...

[wild wind]

But no seriously if you ask they'll say yes unless you've really messed up their conversation tree too

[hearty pendant]

looks like the convos should trigger for them regardless, and if they'll help or not is up to what you say in the convo
||Lyon's can lead to Marie's, Marie will either not help, add 10 to the thermostat, or remove 10 from the thermostat||

[delicate lagoon]

I'm going for the Roathe forgiveness route. So it would be like this? Tomorrow will be Lyon/Roathe fix attempt and if successful, then Marie/Roathe fix attempt?

[hearty pendant]

yea
you might try moving base of operations a few times or doing a mission after you do lyon's convo
marie's might refresh into the repair convo

[jagged sable]

Dude needs a god damn break. D=

[echo basalt]

dude needs more wine

[primal gyro]

Pretty sure ive seen some peeps here show their screenies of about asking lyon for help with roathe, and iirc lyon says to have to follow roathe's request and stop going into descendia

[hearty pendant]

lyon says the opposite, to break the promise

[primal gyro]

To keep going into descendia?

[hearty pendant]

yes. he does not want those memories, but he needs them

[primal gyro]

Now im even more curious now as to what his kim chat with me is today since ive fought roathe 21+ times in descendia...

[solid otter]

He needs more than wine. Someone give him some orokin spirits.

[shell palm]

Now I just need to convince Marie

[pseudo turtle]

Wow, congratulations, pleased for you, not at all jealous (/j, referring to roathe romance xD)

[shell palm]

You'll get there eventually if you didn't fumble

[pseudo turtle]

I haven't!

I should get it next reset ^^

If I get the right convo... 🤞

[frigid canopy]

Like I've had three super deep convos w him in a row...Quincy calls me space trauma, I don't need to be called "second-hand trauma" too lol

I'm so glad u can skip them with TW option

[echo basalt]

coward

as the resident therapist

[frigid canopy]

I get it, but I play WF to bonk thing with big stick and go pew-pew with toob

[echo basalt]

of the origin sytem

you gotta be able to understand the person your talking to

even if it includes heavy shit

no wonder your maiden less

[frigid canopy]

I agree, yes

and no, I got Marie td

[echo basalt]

just marie?

[shell palm]

You can relog until you do

I know that because I relogged once or twice to get a convo where I could confess feelings

[frigid canopy]

ya boy's gotta stay loyal, yk?

[echo basalt]

i mean

eleanors cool with it

[primal gyro]

Im never getting close status with roathe 🙃

Apparently i havent finished all his VMs until now so i have to wait again until tomorrow to get a normal kim chat with him

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-rail-railed-railgun-shockwaves-gif-27462201

[delicate lagoon]

NOW I figured out my thermostat meter with Roathe. Apparently 3... not good, but if the second chance thing with Lyon and Marie are true, I think it's gonna be easy to do this 👀

[analog moat]

How can you check it in game tho ?

[delicate lagoon]

Lots of going back through previous conversations and comparing it to the Kimulacrum online.

I believe I have 3 because I jsut realized that you can gain thermostat points from Lyon and Marie as well

[analog moat]

When I did research for thermostat count with roathe alone you can gain about 15

[hallow wharf]

Do we know anything about the whole "Grand Carnus" rank within the Orokin society yet? Or have I just not gotten far enough in Roathe's KIM chats

[void roost]

im sorry did roathe just threatened me abt my man?! funny how he actually cares ❤️

[hallow wharf]

LOL he said something along the lines of "NO I'm not jealous or anything! Why would I be?" When I started a romance with Marie

[void roost]

Sounds about right with how much bickering and roasting he's done with her 😂

[hearty pendant]

VM 7, COMMISSION has a little bit on it. i think his 'Devil of Tau?' dialogue might say something about it?

[cosmic prawn]

TL:DR, it was made up just for him as a joke, but he ended up being an amazing general for the Orokin, so it became a proper title.

[cinder marten]

crabs

[fading current]

One of my fav convos with him so far

[cinder marten]

Roathe psychoanalyzes our fashionframing lmao

[abstract sorrel]

I do like to be drippy while dealing death yes

[cinder marten]

time to paint roathe pink

[exotic igloo]

ok this is kinda funny but im not even sure if its a bug but its funny,

So TLDR I romanced Maria but we have the text still saying I need help to be bailed out to fix our problem and we are close only,meanwhile Roathe still says if I ask I can romance him lmao

[primal gyro]

I thought that was a title given to him as an orokin soldier?

[floral badge]

Is Höllvania in france ? I thought it was like England

[cerulean kiln]

We aren’t told

Plus France isn’t called France in Warframe

It’s not called Hollvania either

[uncut solar]

It's a random eastern european country

[floral badge]

Well Marie says she's from a country called Gaule then says her city isnt far from Höllvania on the map

[uncut solar]

Oh

[cerulean kiln]

Isn’t far on the map can mean a few things

[floral badge]

True

[uncut solar]

"in the grand scheme of the world"

Especially

[floral badge]

Yeah could be austria or somewhere in europe too

[primal gyro]

Probably germany cuz of this

[lofty girder]

Makes the facist parallels for the Scaldra all the more blunt

[dense ice]

I like a pragmatic guy

[night zephyr]

I want to see a sentient crab...

[night zephyr]

Wait this is so funny

[cerulean kiln]

Hunhow

[night zephyr]

Oh true

[wicked iron]

Our game is historically accurate. Giant Enemy Crab!

[night zephyr]

Attack its weak point for massive damage!!

[royal viper]

Chat I romanced Marie

[eager dagger]

So after the 21 Roathe battle runs it seems that’s the end of the story?

[tropic venture]

his dialogue in-mission stops changing then yeah

[eager dagger]

Balls that was a little quicker then I’d like

[tropic venture]

I can't remember if the VMs keep going tho

[eager dagger]

So far they stopped for me

[pure merlin]

You only get 21 VM, no more after that

[eager dagger]

Sad - story is done I guess

[pure merlin]

Maybe in a future update they'll add more, who knows

Like if you kill Roathe 666 times

[primal gyro]

The VMs are just roathe's memories so i doubt there'll be added VMs in the future

[eager dagger]

Someone will run this that many times 😂

[primal gyro]

Plus it seems like those are just special to roathe

[pure merlin]

Ohh yeaaah

[eager dagger]

It’s also the story as to what happened in the old peace

[pure merlin]

On another note, if you get 25+ kills in the Granum Void, is it 100% guaranteed that a candidate will spawn ?

[tropic venture]

The spawn is based on if you get Rank 1 in the 3rd tier of Granum Void

the kills needed scales with squad size

[pure merlin]

Yeah I know that
I'm just asking if it's guaranteed that a sister will spawn if you do get 25 or 25+ solo
Because it seems bugged rn

[tropic venture]

Do you have another Adversary active already?

[pure merlin]

Nope

[eager dagger]

Did they add a new Wally piller outside the sanctum?

By the phone

[zenith jacinth]

Are you doing tier 3

[pure merlin]

No adversary active, using zenith granum crown, getting between 50 to 80 kills solo, and in 5 runs of this only 1 sister spawned

[tropic venture]

make sure to slow down afterwards to give the Candidate time to spawn

[zenith jacinth]

Yea they take a bit sometimes unlike lich larva

[tropic venture]

well for Larvlings you gotta wait for the screen flash

[pure merlin]

Yeaah but after 10mins of waiting I just leave, might just be a little bugged, idk if it's due to Uriel

[autumn hound]

idk should i restart chat with Minerwa and Velimir, can you send how it look like in your KIM system?

[tropic venture]

if you got the good ending it'll be like "Well, I did it. The two are back together, now I just have to find out a way to make them stop flirting in public."

[autumn hound]

how it look like with Flar?

[uncut solar]

">:3"

[autumn hound]

so restart... Roathe, would it be better to say that he withdrew from the battlefield, or that it was a tactical retreat?

[tropic venture]

the reset option exists for a reason

[uncut solar]

Albrecht wanted you to be the videogame speedrunner of social relationships

[autumn hound]

when Mari hate me, I restarted the chat 😐

[uncut solar]

So reset and refine

[solid otter]

:3

Lizzie using ">:3" scares me so much

[tropic venture]

Not as much as Nonbinary Jumpscare™

[solid otter]

How some people be treating Flare
-# and Xaku but they count on a technicality

[tropic venture]

Warframe players who "Don't care" about Xaku and Flare/Temple's genders the moment someone calls Nezha a girl

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-jump-gif-20854560

[solid otter]

No clearly xaku is a girl bcs they have feminine hips.
The humble Nezha:

Or sevagoth

[uncut solar]

Or Atlas Deluxe

Actually

Where are the Zariman lore notes?

I remember people talking about them

It's from Duviri?

[tropic venture]

Duviri, Zariman ARG

[uncut solar]

Thanks!

[night zephyr]

Backwards logic I swear

[rugged pewter]

I need help! I messed up for the first time with the triad kim chat, now marie wont talk to me. How do I fix this??

[tropic venture]

Either you wait to see if you can fix it via chats, or you reset

[teal valve]

Honestly, I gave up with the Hex chat long time ago, swear it stressed me out talking to them

[teal steppe]

Wasn't it like... Nezha is a femboy/twink?

[glass canopy]

What's Nitokh's epithet?

Like what title does she have?

Or nickname

[tropic venture]

Nezha in chinese myths is a young boy, so the Warframe Nezha was designed to look youthful

[solid otter]

Regent Executor Niktoh iirc

[teal steppe]

Ah.

They do also say this on the Wiki:

The Warframe's androgynous appearance is a nod to the deity's youthful appearance, which belied his reputation as a trickster. To clear out any confusion regarding this, Digital Extremes has stated that the Warframe is male.

Though it's hidden under the Trivia section, at the bottom of the page. Much like how gamers don't like to look up, they don't also like to look down.

[sterile coral]

Nezha is a fun test I like to use on my siblings to see if they know their mythology.

[thick jolt]

Tho it would be even more unlikely for people to read, a better source to nezha's gender in warframe would be his leverian, y'know because it's in game and not trivia written by a player

[sterile coral]

Unfortunately the leverian isn't something most players are gonna interact with unless they want deeper lore on the current selection of frames that have an entry. I could be wrong of course but given how most lore vids only cover the quests that's the vibe I get

[night zephyr]

I have to separate the mythological Nezha from the Warframe Nezha otherwise I'd pop a vein with all the people who call him femboy twink frame

[night zephyr]

I did it first time to get the Voruna prex card and it was actually very interesting. I wish it was easier to be directed to because there is lots of interesting lore in it

[uncut solar]

donating 5 million credits to Drusus and still helping him in disruption

[sterile coral]

Gauss is my favorite entry

[uncut solar]

how far are you in debt man

where are all these credits

[sterile coral]

I've donated a few thousand in-between farming Dante when he first came out and I've been asking the same thing

[thick jolt]

Corpus giga debt
Between the time it takes for you to enter the ammount and click donate the debt increased by 10× that

[night zephyr]

It's the price of maintaining a lore museum 😔

[lean siren]

Does anyone know if the devils triad gemini skins are supposed to have special lines when romanced like the hex? Cuz so far it doesn't seem like any of them have any

[pure merlin]

Someone told me apparently they do, but the lines are bugged. Just like how their lines in the Cathédrale don't change based on your rank
I'm not 100% sure of this info tho

[placid shadow]

i feel bad for you for playing warframe in polish (i'm polish too but playing warframe in polish is painful)

[autumn hound]

Why? everything is ok

[placid shadow]

i've played warframe on android in polish and it's just not for me, i mean i don't really like playing games in polish i prefer english but for me it's hard to play in polish (especially since most warframe players play in english so it's hard to talk with other people about the game when you don't know for sure how some things are called in english)

[undone widget]

I think I killed Roathe 21 times but what now? I still have that Anathema text thingy. But he did stopped counting after the 18-19th time, I think?

So idk what to do next

[autumn hound]

True, true about the name for example "kulas" is "fragmented one"

[pastel pasture]

so real talk

how likely are we to get another set of protoframes?

On one hand round table was supposed to be the last batch. hoping for a 2nd "we'll give you one more" feels like hoping for too much

On the other hand. Protoframe skins make DE a lot of money

money has a way of convincing devs to do things

[zenith jacinth]

roathe was described as "the first orokin protoframe"

[pastel pasture]

i guess that is sus wording yes

[solid otter]

Unfortunately.

[zenith jacinth]

DE is currently tired of making protos, but that wording suggests interest in creating more

[zenith jacinth]

heirlooms

[pastel pasture]

I mean I like the protoframes as long as they are done well

I don't know if I'd enjoy seeing "non-canon" protoframe skins

[solid otter]

DE flopped a little w these new ones

Honestly id rather if they were just non romancable

[pastel pasture]

like if they added the yareli one in without her being a character in game

[zenith jacinth]

I like protos as long as they remain actually valuable instead of "boom, new skins, there ya go"

[pastel pasture]

I think it fits TBH if only because they aren't...and forgive my wording, easy like the hex is

[solid otter]

Oh no that is accurate and true, but I mean specifically the poly aspect.

I actually love how Marie is a trap

Well like

Not like the trans thing 😭

[pastel pasture]

oh that

[zenith jacinth]

DE never messed up as badly as that little stunt

[pastel pasture]

yeah I don't like that

I get it. you control the buttons you press but like

It just doesn't sit right with me. Especially when asking for consent happens AFTER you start cheating

[zenith jacinth]

it's clearly rushed after backlash for "it's not cheating if it's time travel"

[solid otter]

Oh and like

You can ignore the consent convos.

Cept for like. Eleanor's

[zenith jacinth]

I have some daily quota to meet with bringing up that quote

[pastel pasture]

i honestly hope for a relationship overhaul update but I don't think that'll happen

I'm fine if they leave all characters being fine with a poly relationship but i think you should have to work for it.

Opens up after one of the devil's triade and hex are able to be romanced at the same time. make it like the critical Vel/Min conversation

one long convo. if you mess up you get one more try

[undone lodge]

“Aww Drifter you’re so silly, of course I don’t mind that you and the guy who’s people you described as being evil incarnate were [redacted] [redacted] and furiously [redacted] behind my back”

[pastel pasture]

have characters like Elenore and maybe Quincy be more open to it. Characters like Arthur and Lettie be more closed to it and harder to do

[shell palm]

Eleanor being poly is confirmed

[solid otter]

Lettie directly has a line against it

[pastel pasture]

All characters do that sorry to say

[shell palm]

I know

[pastel pasture]

yep. which is why it'd be hard to convince her

[shell palm]

But she's the most chill with this

[solid otter]

Yeah Eleanor is literally one of the few that I could see being okay w it

[pastel pasture]

yeah

from the consent convos i've seen they all go "I just wish I could partipate"

[solid otter]

Ill be honest, if you need to convince your partner into doing something, maybe we shouldn't be doing that something
-# specifically about opening the relationship

[pastel pasture]

yeah but you gotta give and take ¯_(ツ)_/¯

the gamers will riot if you make it so you can't date Lettie and Marie at the same time

[zenith jacinth]

eleanor is also the only hex that actually states interest in both men and women

[solid otter]

I mean there's that and there's pushing a boundary purposefully set

[pastel pasture]

Aoi strikes me as bi

[shell palm]

I'm poly so I'll take what I can get I just wish I could've brought it up to Eleanor before I asked Roathe out

[solid otter]

Ive been completely turned away from marie after that one conversation

I was like. Mmm. Maybe for the honoria.

No.

[pastel pasture]

the conversation where she tells you she doesn't like fib?

[solid otter]

Not even for the honoria.

[solid otter]

No i hate that fish

[pastel pasture]

the conversation where she tells you she doesn't like tagfer?

[zenith jacinth]

I like fishynacho

[solid otter]

I mean the one where she talks about being the only daughter who forgave Albrecht

[pastel pasture]

does Marie even like the Cavia?

[hidden coyote]

Sorry for going a bit off topic guys, but does anyone have a solution for this issue?

[zenith jacinth]

I refuse to learn the spelling but I like fishynacho

[tropic venture]

Fibonacci

[obtuse gyro]

I think she's chill fishonachi and bird 3

[pastel pasture]

mr. fishonacci is an acceptable alternative

[solid otter]

Like go eat an entire box of meal worms marie.

[zenith jacinth]

oh gods

[obtuse gyro]

its just tagfer she's got an issue with

[tropic venture]

The Driftoperator bug has no permanent fix atm I fear

[zenith jacinth]

my lungs

[pastel pasture]

no she doesn't like Fib

[hidden coyote]

dang it

[pastel pasture]

she finds him obnoxiously superior

[zenith jacinth]

I was not prepared to laugh so hard

[hidden coyote]

I'm cooked bro

[solid otter]

Which is fair, he is

[pastel pasture]

yes he is

[zenith jacinth]

your broken operator looks emotionally devastated

[pastel pasture]

i think its hard to dislike bird 3 unless annoying characters get on your nerves

[undone lodge]

Perfect for Old Peace

[solid otter]

I just find it horrendously assumptive of her to say what she did about her being Albrecht's daughter. Like. Eugh.

[hidden coyote]

not only my operator

[solid otter]

Hes too sweet for that. Even Roathe likes him.

[zenith jacinth]

oh.

that is. obnoxious

[pastel pasture]

the only saving grace with the Marie/Entrati thing is ||you can convince her she's being insensitive to people Entrati has hurt||

[obtuse gyro]

Are we forgetting that we get to wack her over the head for it or?

[solid otter]

Oh absolutely

[zenith jacinth]

incredible

[undone lodge]

Roathe after getting treated completely normally for the first time since his amnesia

[night zephyr]

She can hate on him all she wants, never will make me not like him 🙂‍↕️

[solid otter]

Doesn't change that she did it

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-black-guy-gif-25962626

[pastel pasture]

I am thankful that Marie's obsession with Entrati is not treated as a good or wholesome thing

[zenith jacinth]

please do send your broken drifter too I have to see it

[solid otter]

Doesnt change that i now feel the need to punch her on Mother's behalf.

[hidden coyote]

wait

[zenith jacinth]

speaking of broken characters what do we think is the lore reason behind lyon blinking with his chin

[solid otter]

I mean im just glad I haven't seen folk try to say Albrecht cheated on Loid w Marie. I figured it would be a... common issue.

[cinder marten]

i managed to change marie's mind after her crashout convo

[tropic venture]

That's Harrow's chin protrusion starting to grow

[zenith jacinth]

amazing

[hidden coyote]

even her clothes change

[pastel pasture]

we're they in a relationship? as far as I seen it was purely a savior/saved relationship

[hidden coyote]

💀

[night zephyr]

I don't know how anyone would come to that conclusion but some people are not the sharpest

[zenith jacinth]

don't underestimate wf players

[solid otter]

Its father/figurative daughter, but only really one sided.

[solid otter]

People thought loid was straight.

[tropic venture]

yeah, it's the Operator model being stretched to the Drifter skeleton

[pastel pasture]

yeah. TBH I think people are a bit too hard on Marie

[cinder marten]

[zenith jacinth]

people thought I was straight too

[solid otter]

Theyre dimmer than a bag of 2 wattage bulbs.

[night zephyr]

I've seen how they handle KIM, and that one guy who left because someone put a waypoint down

[pastel pasture]

I mean she absolutely needs to understand Entrati is not a saint but like. You'd think of someone the same if you've been talked down to all your life and someone comes along who not only treats you and your found family with respect, but wants to help heal both of you

[zenith jacinth]

wha

[solid otter]

Oh no I do absolutely agree there

I do agree with Marie on many counts

[tropic venture]

Marie lunatics when just saying the nicest-sounding answers does not result in an automatic date

[night zephyr]

Reddit post some guy had a party member leave because they put a waypoint 😭

[solid otter]

I literally need to lie to get the good ending.

Its the opposite of everyone's issue.

[lofty girder]

Marie is really difficult to get to acknowledge that Entrati has done bad things

[pastel pasture]

I think Entrati, as I always put it

put's the anti in anti-hero.

[night zephyr]

I don't imagine it would be easy to come to terms with that when he helped her so significantly

[cinder marten]

marie telling tagfer to chill out about entrati when tagfer's wife died because of him is kinda fked lol

[lofty girder]

Entrati really be the kinda dude you wanna punch really hard... once

[zenith jacinth]

I'm gonna shoot albrecht as soon as I get to see him

[solid otter]

I mean we've somehow forgiven Roathe even though he is directly or indirectly responsible for Adis dying

[tropic venture]

yeah it's like
"Hey so maybe don't tell Tagfer he should be grateful to the man who ruined Tagfer's entire life on purpose without caring."
"Hmm I'll have to think on that. Hmm."

[zenith jacinth]

in the leg, so he can't run from retribution

[solid otter]

Though, Drifter wouldn't have those memories.

[pastel pasture]

TBH I do think Tagfer needs to chill out a bit but I also get why he's upset

[lofty girder]

Honestly I'd just let Grandmother tear into him

[solid otter]

Grandmother... I think she knows

[fierce kiln]

drifter showing operator their newest date interaction would be insane

[night zephyr]

I'd let grandmother tear into me

[zenith jacinth]

what

[cinder marten]

all of em needs to chill out, that's why we're here as the drifter, to rizz all of them

[night zephyr]

Another update of Drifter having fun somewhere and Operator experiencing The Horrors

[solid otter]

"... you're... dating the guy who killed by best friend."
"HES REFORMED OKAY-"

[pastel pasture]

Cavia KIM chat when

[fierce kiln]

now roathe asking drifter to prepare for a possible fight between them and the child makes sense 😇

[lofty girder]

This is the second time I've seen intercourse as a viable form of therapy

[pastel pasture]

who does best friend refer to in this case? I assume you are talking about dating Roathe

[night zephyr]

I hope the Operator can have somewhere to make new friends like Drifter has

[cinder marten]

we got marie to chill out on simping entrati too hard and now she's our new virtual girlfriend

[solid otter]

Adis! Roathe and Niktoh are responsible for his death.

[night zephyr]

Operator talking to drifter, Adis is the best friend

[cinder marten]

now marie simps for the drifter instead

[night zephyr]

I think it's a strange decision that Roathe speaks to the Operator in the event inbox message but the operator themselves can't even go see him in person

[pastel pasture]

Were they? I thought the poisoned life seeder thing was a more like....Orokin collective thing but mainly Ballas/Margulis

[undone lodge]

Once you’ve been to ~~ Tau~~ _ La Cathédrale_ you’ll never stop wanting to beat Ballas Drifter to death with your bare hands.

[lofty girder]

There's a reason the Operator isn't allowed into the Cathedral

[cinder marten]

problem solved eh

[zenith jacinth]

adis has surpassed oberon in disproportionally spindly arms

[tropic venture]

||Nitokh is behind the Anarchs||

[solid otter]

Takes folk a little bit to realise but Roathe is worse than Albrecht, yet Roathe complains about Albrecht doing the same shit he did.

[night zephyr]

Roathe would be mincemeat I fear

[pastel pasture]

Yeah I suppose

[undone lodge]

Despite being invited

[solid otter]

"Oh Albrecht used people!!"
||Roathe, planning on using Niktoh and countless others||

[lofty girder]

Considering his thoughts on Cephalons and memories, i think the worst fate is use the helminth to accelerate his transformation into Uriel

[fierce kiln]

i mean his 21st memory was about realizing he willingly took the serum, i assume if you get that ending with his KIM he no longer wants to kill albrecht? idk

[pastel pasture]

oh I know Roathe is bad. I just want to date him because I am a fan of 'he can break me' relatoinship tropes in fiction

[night zephyr]

The difference is Roathe is voiced by René Zagger and Albrecht is not

[night zephyr]

That would suck for him

[undone lodge]

Speaking of

[lofty girder]

Also like, Albrecht in every metric has a lower body count than Roathe

[cinder marten]

before and after, i am the master of conversation, this game is too ez

[pastel pasture]

do we even know if complete transformation is the fate of protoframes? Yeah Flare transforms into Temple but that's a bit different

Flare had Lizzie

[night zephyr]

Need Loid to move on from that flop , so unfortunate that's who he's in love with

[lofty girder]

Roathe is just salty Albrecht hit him with the amnesia juice

[zenith jacinth]

I prefer "s/he can kill me but doesn't want to"

[undone lodge]

Do the KIMs mention why these protos don’t transform without being in an actual physical loop to maintain their bodies

[lofty girder]

Iirc that's something Lettie/the Hex talk about

[solid otter]

"Oh Oh Oh but he hurt my fwriends :(((" ROATHE LITERALLY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR CHILDHOOD FRIEND DYING.

FOR NO REASON.

[undone lodge]

Also Albrecht says it himself

[solid otter]

HE DIDNT EVEN DO IT FOR A GOOD REASON

HE JUST DID IT. BCS "I wanna rule"

Crashing out.

[lofty girder]

Man in a Doomed Yaoi relationship creates more doomed relationships

[fierce kiln]

hey cmon they were bored or something thats something 🫠

[night zephyr]

I could say the same for Roathe and Drifter but it's drifter choice to love him after everything known lol

[pastel pasture]

"in a war innocents will be hurt"

Entrati going around shanking random people to see if it hurts The Indifference

[obtuse gyro]

wrong orokin lmao

[solid otter]

Close enough

[obtuse gyro]

also like wrong motivation

[zenith jacinth]

roathe had decent intentions

[night zephyr]

Idk if I can put any person above the other in this game where you slaughter thousands of beings with your killer war machine

[solid otter]

I am simplifying it a lot, but from the VMs it is implied he did it because of his own reasons. For. Well. Himself. A orokin empire ruled by an orokin is still the orokin empire.

[zenith jacinth]

nuh uh

[night zephyr]

Player character(s) definitely have the highest kill count

[solid otter]

"Oh but he's different" he wasn't until we came along.

God

[fierce kiln]

roathe did mention he planned to betray nitokh too to have the orokin empire gone

[solid otter]

Sorry im getting far too angry.

[zenith jacinth]

roathe wanted to only rule until finding a suitable leader

[night zephyr]

Maybe stretch or something to calm down

[lofty girder]

Sus

[obtuse gyro]

and he was convinced he would have abdicated if there was one

[solid otter]

Doesnt he literally doubt that hed give it up anyways

[zenith jacinth]

nah

[solid otter]

Neat

Still dont think he wouldve tbh.

Doesnt fit in with his... character.

[solid otter]

(At the time)

[obtuse gyro]

yea because now its pointless

[solid otter]

That kinda says he knows in retrospect, he wouldn't have.

[obtuse gyro]

no

[solid otter]

Yes.

Your interpretation isn't the only one thats correct

[night zephyr]

The point IS that "at the time" though isn't it

[obtuse gyro]

he's literally saying that now it doesnt matter so he doesn't know

[night zephyr]

At that time he would have?

[solid otter]

But in retrospect, he wouldn't have.

Thsts the other convos' implications.

[night zephyr]

hmm

[cerulean kiln]

He merely believed he would’ve at the time but we never got to see that other branch of timeline

[solid otter]

Tricky when canon can change like that

[obtuse gyro]

both trees are the exact same sentence in different orders

[lofty girder]

Until proven otherwise, Roathe is sus

[night zephyr]

Never believe the Devil's honeyed words

[lofty girder]

He's a fascinating source of information from the orokin perspective

But there's the kicker innit? The orokin perspective

Its like asking a KGB agent their thoughts on the late Soviet Onion

[cinder marten]

well we can't be limited to our own perspectives, that's how hate manifests

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-true-pov-star-wars-gif-10696797

[night zephyr]

They were horrible but I wouldn't have those ayatan sculptures melted into endo without them

[zenith jacinth]

[Insert AM speech here]

[lofty girder]

Ayatans are pretty, shame its filled with Gore and not like... Classic 20th century movies

[night zephyr]

Real

[lofty girder]

Actually, is that what the ayatan sculptures we find in Höllvania are filled with? Die hard?

[obtuse gyro]

The best xmas movie

[night zephyr]

They should put Dracula on an ayatan ong

[lofty girder]

Dracula flow specifically

[undone lodge]

Albrecht using them as photo albums and dvds because it’s cheaper than buying stuff

[night zephyr]

Compilation edition

[lofty girder]

This Kuva ain't shid

[obtuse gyro]

Anyways, roathe has to juxtapose his dream of a new empire with the fact that the empire dies. I'd wager that's enough to shatter his convictions of abdication

[zenith jacinth]

somewhere out in the system there's a very beaten up ayatan that just never gives up

[cerulean kiln]

Which of you keeps placing the sculptures in Hollvania?

[night zephyr]

My bad I keep dropping them out of my pockets everywhere

[obtuse gyro]

the time difference between the roathe who would abdicate and the roathe who doubts is like, however long it took roathe to make the helminth to travel to whenever he is now, read that his empire is dead, and then text this rando who showed up

[zenith jacinth]

it should balance out, I'm eating any that I find

[cerulean kiln]

You must have some massive pockets

[lofty girder]

Roathe reminds me of the Onceler, "How ba-a-a-ad can i be? I just what comes naturally."

[night zephyr]

How else am I supposed to carry all those common mods?! And alloy...

[cerulean kiln]

You don’t just carry them in your hands?

[undone lodge]

Giant pockets full of thousands of ferrite pellets

[fierce kiln]

i dont think theyd make another executor a future antagonist but still fun to think about

[zenith jacinth]

nah ballas is just gonna show up when we get to tau

[night zephyr]

Voruna can't be doing that when she's pouncing on everyone, this is why the materials are spilling all over the place

[lofty girder]

Imagine if she became Garuda protoframe

[night zephyr]

Ballas prime appears

[lofty girder]

Finally, Garuda lore

[fierce kiln]

amalgamized and half voidangel-murmurfied

[zenith jacinth]

I wis-

[night zephyr]

No go on, finish

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-girl-turning-roblox-roblox-girl-woman-face-roblox-woman-face-gif-27543985

[cerulean kiln]

I find it funny how many players don’t understand that Ballas is only the worst Orokin because we haven’t seen the others

[lofty girder]

Ballsac and Salad V competing to see who can get the most insane body modifications

[night zephyr]

I fully believe there are worse than ball ass it's just that he is the one that personally damages our character the most thus far

[obtuse gyro]

Salad V went for one body mod and had to get us to bail him out

[night zephyr]

My Zanuka project will fix that for you

[cinder marten]

ballas gets lives again and gets a redemption arc as well lol

ballas kim chat and we just cyberbully the abusive stepdad

[zenith jacinth]

very poor choice of words

[cinder marten]

wife hates him, kids hate him, poor ballas

walter white but in warframe

[pastel pasture]

Imagine the next proto batch comes out and it's just our enemies

Alad V, Ballas as Kullervo, and...idk who's a 3rd one

[uncut solar]

But she can use her dogs

To hold the junk

[uncut solar]

And someone new

Obviously

[solid otter]

Loid proto...

[fierce kiln]

kahl as rhino so he can keep the system in check while we go to tau

[uncut solar]

It would be the guy who survived the academy shooting

I forgot his name

[pastel pasture]

the cephalon?

[solid otter]

Dalko?

[pastel pasture]

I kept wanting to call him Donnie Darko

[solid otter]

Or was it daklo..?

[lofty girder]

Daklo doesn't make it either way...

Either you void blast him, or he gets crushed by rubble

[solid otter]

NOOO

He may have been a bigot but bigots can learn

[analog moat]

Who roathe ?

[solid otter]

I mean there's the orokin couple who had Dagath's dax as seemingly a intimacy slave

That was pretty bad

[analog moat]

Also do y’all think the helminth conversation might be implemented where both protoframe eras will have to help you fight someone in the future ? That would be bad ass

[analog moat]

When I read her lore my jaw dropped

[solid otter]

Remember, Dax physically cannot say no to Kuva holders/users. You know. Like the orokin.

They have to obey everything they say.

Wonder what that could mean.

[cinder marten]

that's what happened to teshin in the war within

[analog moat]

😔 the spicy is delicious but my heart hurts

[cerulean kiln]

It means the Orokin dying was a good thing

[solid otter]

Exactly! Good job Nemesis!

[analog moat]

still romancing roathe even if he is orokin 😔

[solid otter]

He's reformed

[analog moat]

My operator probably side eyeing me

[solid otter]

Means I can defend Albrecht easier

[analog moat]

That’s true

[solid otter]

Better for me, better for you

[analog moat]

I am still kinda hmmm about the mad scientist but I can kinda understand him better

[solid otter]

I mean he is not as bad as Roathe, and he's forgivable

[analog moat]

🧐 and we collecting love to fight the big bad

[cerulean kiln]

Now just marry him so you yourself become Orokin then I can finally kill the Orokin for good

[analog moat]

don’t threaten me with a good time

[stable lodge]

What's the difference between those

[cerulean kiln]

Different main resource from each

And it determines who you fight at the end

Hence the names

[void roost]

My theory is she was turned into a warframe after Roathe was snatched they found out about the plan and well..... Garuda

[night zephyr]

I mean maybe? But thinking about the ones like Nitohk that Roathe says is worse than Ballas

[night zephyr]

Touché

[soft lotus]

hey, he says that too

more of a 'yuppers' guy myself

[echo basalt]

I mean its a solid theory given the info we know about nitohk and Garuda which on both fronts is minuscule

[void roost]

I really hope she doesn't become a Protoframe she sounds horrible 😂😭 worse than Ballas 😭

[cosmic prawn]

There's exactly one link between Nitokh and Garuda and that's the shared blood thing. Roathe calls Nitokh the Queen of Blood and Garuda is called Gore Queen.

[fierce kiln]

for all we know it couldve been a shared project between both nitokh and ballas

or a request/commission of her

[shell palm]

The chat that led to me dating Roathe

[uncut solar]

People are so eager to connect someone with an old warframe

But what if there's a new one, like it happens every time

[wise swallow]

Guys, about Roathe's dialogues in the kim... Are the booleans Unloved and Alone good or bad?

[night grail]

Sometimes things not wrong, sometimes things just are.

[pseudo turtle]

Alone and Unloved are dialogue booleans

||RoatheFailUnloved is however, bad||

[wise swallow]

Yeah I mean like if activating them is good or bad for the relationship with Roathe. I really don't want to screw up and reset their dialogues...

[pseudo turtle]

They're dialogue booleans, they don't equal good or bad

Just more context and gives you extra options at times + its a way for the game to track if you've had that specifc convo

[wise swallow]

Thanks for the info. ||However I think RoatheLoved leads to the drifter dating him, right?||

[pseudo turtle]

||Well to get RoatheLoved, you have to say you love him. But it only starts a relationship at Rank 5||

||In rank 4 it just stops him from asking you to reset||

[wise swallow]

I understand. Its because in a few casses, one wrong conversation can fail the entire relationship. ||Right, Minerva and Velimir...?||
Thank you

[pseudo turtle]

||I mean this is also the case for DTriad||

[simple python]

Hmn.

Okay so either I skipped the r5 chat by accident or... idk

[pseudo turtle]

Ur at close with all 21 VMs done?

[wise swallow]

"VMs"?

[pseudo turtle]

voice messages

the audio files

[wise swallow]

Oh right

[gray orchid]

I want roathe so bad but I'm still in R3-4 convos aaah

[simple python]

Yes

I got the reset chat from roathw too btw.

I suppose we'll see tonight's reset but idk

[pseudo turtle]

The reset chat happens in rank 4

Although actually I guess if you fail to reach a conclusion with him he also asks the same

and thus if you have failed in that, you wont get the conversation I'm talking about I don't think

[simple python]

A conclusion on?

Like getting the family reunited or?

Hmnnnn might've missed the Lyon chat for that ngl.

[gray orchid]

I want roathe so bad but I'm still in R3-4 convos aaah

[pseudo turtle]

Conclusion on Roathe. Not on the family.

[pastel pasture]

Ground breaking Roathe reveal

||Roathe taught Bird 3 how to play komi||

[simple python]

Oh, then I have

||Notably, I told him to choose his own ending. Not in a mean way mind you.||

[pastel pasture]

||I dealt a crippling Red!!! crit emotional damage to Roathe. So I think I'm headed toward the redemption ending||

[simple python]

||What I mean by it is that. I didn't demand he repent. He gets to choose what to do with the knowledge he now has again, and I'd be there to support him. I still cant date him cause bug.||

[pastel pasture]

We stan for aro Roathe

[shell palm]

Uh what

Why

[summer wagon]

I'm confused about Roathe's KIM dialogue and answers I'm finding online are either conflicting (people arguing on Reddit about how bad of a person you are) or theres not much information on it and need some clarity. I also don't want to reset.

My relationship says I'm close with Roathe, but "I am at an impasse." It also says he would begin a romance, I'm not interested but I want to finish the dialogue. So I don't think I've directly insulted him or made it to a point where we don't want to talk to each other. Comparatively with Quincy, I have ended the chat but it made sense.

The last conversation I had with Roathe was about not going farther into the Dark Refactory or The Descendia, which he apparently liked?

So, is it a bug, do I have to run the Descendia 21 times? I haven't played much outside of KIM because some of the bugs I've encountered have been frustrating.

[analog moat]

You might have to do it 21 times

[summer wagon]

Ah, okay, so that is correct. Guess I'll do that, thank you

[summer wagon]

Mag I'm not sure what your relationship looks like with Roathe but you might need to do the same

[shell palm]

Roathe isn't bugged for me

[summer wagon]

Unless you meant to screenshot Marie?

oh my bad, saw your screenshot wrong

[shell palm]

I meant Marie

[obtuse gyro]

ah reddit, the land on coherent thought that one

if youve hit anathema right after he talks to you about stopping descendia, you likely just need more descendia

if youve hit anathema after 4 conversations from the start, thats a you problem

[summer wagon]

I'm guessing you might've asked for a relationship during the second talk about Entrati after her argument with the Cavia?

[shell palm]

No

I didn't

I just had a normal conversation that I didn't piss her off in

[summer wagon]

Yeah that's why I was confused, because I've had way more than a few (unlike Quincy)

[steady sequoia]

How will Marie react if I tell her I'm interested in Roathe while in a relationship with someone else (for me, amir)

[pastel pasture]

consent conversations be like

Drifter: I want to make sure you're okay with this

Drifter: It's important you don't think I'm lying to you

Everyone: Oh you're dating someone else? That's cool tell them I said hi

[karmic thorn]

chat which one do i pick i'm not certain which is the good option

[tight pagoda]

The options here don't make sense to me, is this the right chat?

[summer wagon]

From what I understood of Marie ending the chat with you, you either have to blindly praise Entrati or straight up hate him, and asking for a relationship during either after the first Cavia talk. That or there's other bugs, but I don't have enough context from your chat

Need to also be consistent with your views, if you go back and forth she'll take you as lying. There are neutral options which do not end the conversation.

[obtuse gyro]

why?

[uncut solar]

I think you just have to be consistent with your views of him and that's it

[pastel pasture]

resetting roathe's mind has a permanent effect. and ||won't even erase descendia memories||

[uncut solar]

Otherwise she sees it as lying

[summer wagon]

I tend to choose how I feel and I've been able to move forward, but as Minuet mentioned I think there's more dialogue from Roathe if you do reset. So up to you

[pastel pasture]

is that a follow up to convincing Marie to not praise Entrati so blindly?

that is to say. did you do that?

[shell palm]

My last conversation with Marie

[pastel pasture]

yeah seems to be Lyon commending you for convincing Marie to chill out about Roathe

[summer wagon]

This is probably it, I'll fix my message incase anyone searches. Thanks

[pastel pasture]

some KIM chats have either implied offline conversations or implied you understand they are referring to another chat

[shell palm]

It's a bug

[pastel pasture]

dang 😔

[shell palm]

I know for a fact I am not blocked by her

Because it'd say so in the notes tab

[summer wagon]

Yeah this update has been real iffy :(

[pastel pasture]

I enjoy how I can just keep tormenting Arthur about the square spaghetti

[shell palm]

I put up a bug report

[uncut solar]

Just cut those spaghetti cold without any butter or oil

I bet you can kill someone with that

[tight pagoda]

I did do that

That makes sense, I just didn't know that's what the conversation was going to be about

[opaque dove]

Gelatin a funky substance

[uncut solar]

Nah you don't need gelatin

You can just let them stick together after cooking

And make a cut

[shell palm]

#1454989407890444501 the bug report

[pastel pasture]

i just got to the Vel snowman jokes conversation after fixing the marriage

really damn cute Min finishes his joke for him

[harsh wind]

does maries protoframe skin not get any new dialogue after romancing her? just her npc in le cardinal?

[obtuse gyro]

is bug

[harsh wind]

ah alr

[pastel pasture]

wait protoframe skins get new dialogue if you are dating?

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[pastel pasture]

that's poggers

[gaunt acorn]

YES! YES! YES!

[worn fjord]

Congrats!!

Did you manage to redeem him as well?

[gaunt acorn]

yes I did!

[worn fjord]

Ayy nice!!

[gaunt acorn]

Honestly these three felt easier for me than the second batch. All three of them love me and were willing to date for a while now

[worn fjord]

Yea they do feel easier to talk to

[obtuse gyro]

meanwhile all those people who triggered anathema

[gaunt acorn]

Minerva felt like a minefield

[pastel pasture]

Both of them are

Vel is defensive. Minerva is grouchy

[summer wagon]

its the opposite for me

except for kaya, she was a bit of a brick wall. understandably to a degree, but the choices we got also felt harsh

[summer wagon]

roathes anathema with 21 descendia runs is confusing but I went through kimulacrum and it makes sense now. had a mild panic attack before posting it earlier

[pastel pasture]

did you promise him you wouldn't go deeper then went deeper?

[summer wagon]

I'm very conflicted between wanting more KIM dialogue and characters and not. Not that I'm gonna expect anything. But conflicted

[summer wagon]

I promised not to, and didn't go deeper. but i understand now you're suppose to

[amber terrace]

If I may ask a question about the religion of Warframe, the stuff about Sol and Lua

Is it basically two deities one religion or is there a significant divide between Sol people like Marie and Lua people like Lyon?

[summer wagon]

From what I understood with what Lyon said it's both

[obtuse gyro]

now see, you just got caught by what seems like a reasonable outcome of normal progression

someone achieved anathema with roathe by refusing to talk to roathe

[obtuse gyro]

two deities one religion it seems

The Luminaries they call them

[summer wagon]

They both are different deities of the same religion. I'm not too informed on real life religons but I think an apt comparison is the Greek gods, atleast to some degree

I wouldn't say Christianity necessarily like God and Satan as one is typically seen as good and one evil but up to intepretation

[summer wagon]

thats fair

[prisma fox]

I've been getting closer to Roathe and I've heard some stuff about 21 Descendia fights being important... Should I reach that before continuing with his KIM?

[worn fjord]

Do all 21 fights before reaching R5 - Close

[prisma fox]

TY

[worn fjord]

No prob! Good luck

[obtuse gyro]

I wouldnt say that either, because Satan isnt on any level close to divinity

[eager dagger]

So I got another chat from Roathe …..so we’re the ones who erase his memory after he learns he willingly went with Entrati?

[pseudo turtle]

Only if you reset the chats

[eager dagger]

I refused

[pseudo turtle]

Then he'll still have his memory

[hearty pendant]

he spends a convo crashing out and asking you to reset but i don't think we're responsible for the initial memory loss, no

[pseudo turtle]

his inital memory loss is Albrecht

[eager dagger]

But is this like Temple -where if you won’t get a good ending you don’t get his lore about the asteroid?

[pseudo turtle]

less memory loss and more fracturing

Roathe has several endings, so long as it doesnt include "Fail" its a success, and he isnt stuck in some sort of stasis with himself

[hearty pendant]

their*
i'm not sure exactly what the results of roathe's paths are. i just know the boolean names

[eager dagger]

Rn I refused to wipe his memories and as for Temple I know with him it’s if you don’t get him comfortable with Lizzie you don’t get that ending lore

[pseudo turtle]

The two good ones are ||Redeemed, Villain||
and the bad ones are ||RoatheFailNot21, RoatheFail, RoatheFailStall, RoatheFailUltimate (cant come back from this - have to reset.) RoatheFailUnloved (same as Ultimate, need to reset.||

[eager dagger]

But I’m wondering if Roathe had those states too and you have to wipe his memories?

[pseudo turtle]

yeah theres two where its entirely a failure

Lyon and Marie cannot fix

[hearty pendant]

Roathe has quite a few where he straight up tells you
"BEGIN
AGAIN"

[eager dagger]

Where would you see these states ?

[pseudo turtle]

You don't, they're system booleans

[eager dagger]

Ah shoot

[pseudo turtle]

You can tell which one you have in game by notes, the conversation you have with Roathe, and if you get prompted to fix things with Lyon

[eager dagger]

Lyon and Marie are fine rn

[pseudo turtle]

Thats not what I said

Theres two Roathe states that Lyon and Marie cannot fix.

If you mess up, Lyon will get a chat to determine if you can fix things, thats when you find out

Even beyond that you can still mess up even with Lyon and Marie's help

[tight pagoda]

If we reset the Triad, do we have to do 21 more boss fights to avoid the Anathema state?

[pseudo turtle]

No, boss fight counter carries over

[tight pagoda]

Phew

[pseudo turtle]

Which uh

||Roathe will acknowledge and know about.||

[hearty pendant]

no, the VMs will remain
they might not load in right away tho, make sure they show up in the chat history before starting the first convo

[pseudo turtle]

They cant load in all right away, they're chemistry rank gated

[eager dagger]

Well I guess we’ll see if I get more messages tomorrow

[hearty pendant]

not after a reset

[pseudo turtle]

Either way they don't need to because you dont need to listen to them again

[eager dagger]

Just found out it’s not Wally but rell that Lyon hears or heard

[tight pagoda]

Okay good to know, I was just wondering in case I have to reset, if I mess up the Family stuff

[pseudo turtle]

Oh I'd hate to get this far and mess up the Family stuff

Just got to rank 5 today so

that shall not bar me

[tight pagoda]

Marie has offered her assistance, so I'm confident I'm getting that ending

But then Roathe himself has quite a few variables/endings too

Plus I do want to romance all 3

[pseudo turtle]

as does Lyon

well, which one do you want to romance the most? leave them for last

[tight pagoda]

They're all pretty interesting, so that's what I'm struggling with

I chose to confess to Marie but now I'm worried she would've been my "favorite"

[pseudo turtle]

you could always collect all 3 kisses and then go back and reset and go through it all again

||FamilyFix does not reset with the DTriad btw||

[amber terrace]

If I am to make y’all make the decision for me, do I go for Lyon or do I stay one on one with Lettie?

[misty sand]

Ok ok I lost myself laughing when Roathe said the thing about || tasting orokin|| all I can think of now is ||us noming orokin while lotus/margulis trys to stop us||

[worn fjord]

Do you feel like doing the poly route or do you want to choose one?

[solid otter]

What do you think he meant by tasting an orokin 😭

The poly route is dogshit and if you want to stay true to the character of Lettie, she wouldn't actually do poly

Sorry those are violent words

[worn fjord]

That’s true lol— it is ooc

[amber terrace]

Ah, thanks for the insight, I’ll stay one to one with Lettie : )

[misty sand]

Bruh whuldnt be suprised if that stuff is something wierd delicacy reserved for elite

[solid otter]

Was said conversation in reference to Niktoh

[echo basalt]

Thank God I romanced eleanor

[solid otter]

Same. Eleanor absolutely would be like that

[misty sand]

Nah to me(drifter)

[ebon ore]

how does dating the three work?

im close with marie but i cant ask her out or anything :(

[echo basalt]

Tbf I didn't romance roath but marie

[fleet veldt]

...Anyone fathomed the Lohktongue in the 'Executor' track?

[worn fjord]

I think there’s an R5 convo to ask her out

[solid otter]

After the whole "im the only daughter who forgave Albrecht" convo i was turned immediately away from Marie

[echo basalt]

Some sus shit a foot

[worn fjord]

Unless it’s bugged with Marie, like it is with Roathe

[ebon ore]

i see. i wouldve figured thered be an option to just ask em out, like the other 6

im waiting for roathe anyway

[solid otter]

Idc if she said it when upset, now im upset for Mother's sake and I want to punch Marie

[misty sand]

Can I join in the punching ?

[worn fjord]

I think the option should be there, but there’s probably a bug

[tight pagoda]

HUGE

[worn fjord]

Ah that line… hmm yea I wasn’t happy with that in particular

[solid otter]

Mm. Still haven't seen anyone actually manage to get that done, reuniting loid with the family.

[misty sand]

Im just happy i got my orokin boi

[solid otter]

Bcs as soon as one person does i can actually be abnormal over it

[echo basalt]

Imma about to

I got all 3 of the triad on board

[pastel pasture]

loid takes one step up the stairs. instantly dies to infestation

[solid otter]

AHAHAHA YESSSS

I CAN BE ABNORMAL SOON

[echo basalt]

Tomorrow should be the convo to do it hopefully

[pseudo turtle]

🧘 what rank is Roathe?

[echo basalt]

Idk

Cause I'm already rank 5 with the cavia and hex

[pseudo turtle]

I know when you can do it, but unless you want to know I wont say

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-cat-gif-696604303596555012

Yuppie........

[pseudo turtle]

btw the Cavia rank and Hex doesnt matter

Its Entrati Family that matters

[solid otter]

I know more than what I say most of the time but im so excited to actually be able to speak on it

[pseudo turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-25169380

[solid otter]

Honestly it really should tbh. Why would loid go out and have a whole other distraction when the cavia are literally dying

[pseudo turtle]

🤷

[clear sparrow]

Yeah. I'm R5 with all except the Ventkids, I think?

[solid otter]

Ill say this tho

I was right about Loid helping to raise Euleria :)

GET SCREWED SCEPTICS I WASNT INSANE

[clear sparrow]

Well, Ventkids and Necraloid, since Necraloid only goes to R3. And I don't really do Conclave.

So I think I'm just waiting for the KIM chat flags to pop up for the reunion.

[pastel pasture]

Fortuna: we love you tenno

Cetus: we love you tenno

Family: we love you tenno

Hex: we love you tenno

Necraloid: eh you're alright

[solid otter]

We dont even help w the cavia's rank up lol

[flat loom]

Ya know, I said some things about marie's father figure that for sure should've locked me out of romancing her, but looks like it didn't, but hey quite the enlightenment for her after this discussion (I didn't confess nor asked her out to date, ELEANOR POR LAYF)

[flat loom]

Heh, same

[clear sparrow]

I got that route as well. With Marie, I was just honest. "Yeah, I really don't know what's out there. And Entrati might have helped you, but he's done some rather heinous stuff too. It's not black and white."

[flat loom]

Right right, I get that his kindness was what she saw all her life, but the dude definitely wasn't just all that

Also love the fact that she calls the drifter as wolf

Caught me off guard cause I'm Lobo lol

[clear sparrow]

I kind of want to get her Gemini skin and have her clothes be red.

[tight pagoda]

You can actually screw up the romance if she senses that you're only saying nice things about Entrati because you're wanting to get into her good graces and pants

[flat loom]

Fr??? That's news to me, I've nothing but been honest with my conversations with them three

[solid otter]

Its literally one of that fail states for that romance, constantly agreeing w her

Which is... hard for me.

[flat loom]

Also, I think I need to speak to roathe via descendia now?

[flat loom]

MS CLAUS

[pastel pasture]

You can break Marie's view of Entrati if you do it really carefully and understanding of how and why she views him the way she does

[flat loom]

Is there a specific dialogue of it, cause before that one

I kind of had an argument that led to her apologizing about glazing entrati and about killing innocents in a war yada yada

[pastel pasture]

Just like how you can neg roathe into wanting to date you

[flat loom]

WHAT

[pastel pasture]

mostly joking

but Roathe is still dateable even after reminding him nobody loves him and he has no friends

[obtuse gyro]

you only get locked out if you flip flop on your stance

[flat loom]

Brother's immune to it at this point

[obtuse gyro]

if youve been consistent in your approach to entrati youre not locked out

[pastel pasture]

i dont know if i've been consistent with her but I've tried the approach of "Entrati is no angel but he isn't a demon"

[worn fjord]

And that’s the villain route

[flat loom]

Are most of the chats with her about entrati and less often about her friendship with lyon?

[pastel pasture]

is it?

I thought redemption and unloved were seperate things

[shell palm]

Do I have to be max rank with the entrati family in order to reunite them with Loid?

[pastel pasture]

pretty sure yes

[worn fjord]

I heard someone mention that it changes the redemption to villain if that happens but maybe they were wrong (I’m not at R5 yet)

[pastel pasture]

Roathe talks a lot about how you need to fix the family before Loid can go upstairs

[shell palm]

Alright welp equips my nuke build

[flat loom]

I wanna make sure I get to fix the whole ordeal of these two families, cause if I got to do marriage counseling with minerva and velimir, I can do a family therapy with them