spoiler-chat

[pastel pasture]

if all we get is a bounty system that shares a tileset with perita im going to be upset

[cinder marten]

infinite ammo

[thorny barn]

Actual crashout

[cinder marten]

cyte-09 is a whole ammo mill

[balmy storm]

I think we just shouldn’t go back to Perita, there’s 4 other unique bodies

[cerulean kiln]

Downsides of getting love content writers to write KIM lore

[pastel pasture]

i heavily agree but that's not going to happen

[cinder marten]

here ya go fam have some blast ammo

[balmy storm]

?
It could, we have no idea lol

[pastel pasture]

given Adis is on Perita unless that grineer just took a field trip to another planet

[balmy storm]

We aren’t going back for him what

[zenith jacinth]

I'm extremely annoyed by that weapon skin just getting excluded from quincy's shop

[balmy storm]

We’re going back to find a sentient like him, not him specifically

[pastel pasture]

that's...that's half the reason we were doing the dark refractory

[zenith jacinth]

Adis is dead

[cinder marten]

they should put these guns from dark sector as new weapon skins

[thorny barn]

Adis has been dead for thousands of years

[pastel pasture]

I mean im expecting a zombified Adis

[thorny barn]

The Archon scapegoat

[cinder marten]

protecta would go hard on the strun

slam fire shotgun

[balmy storm]

“If another like him exists we must find them” Lotus on Adis being a healer (he’s dead)

[thorny barn]

Having to wait 5 weeks for the Strun incarnon to cycle 'round has sucked.

[zenith jacinth]

We're not doing the ptsd simulator for adis

[cinder marten]

we fight Archon Adis in the upcoming Tau update

[pastel pasture]

i still think we're going to find a zombified Adis

[balmy storm]

We don’t know if fragments can become eidolons

[zenith jacinth]

I gotta sleep wth was that error

[cinder marten]

so predictable

[pastel pasture]

maybe arcon-ified. maybe resurrected with anarch tech or something

[balmy storm]

The anarchs that
Aren’t there anymore?

[pastel pasture]

we don't know that

[balmy storm]

Why would they archon-ify him?

[thorny barn]

how do we tell him

[pastel pasture]

those were two seperate thoughts

[balmy storm]

We do
The war continued after we left
They would be wiped out

[cinder marten]

the corpus follows us into tau

[pastel pasture]

is there in game proof that the anarchs were completely wiped out?

[balmy storm]

Depends how we get there
If we’re rebuilding the Pluto Terminus rail I can see it for sure happening

[cinder marten]

there is profit to be made

[zenith jacinth]

Nah obv they'd rejoin to fight the sentients with everyone else. As planned

[balmy storm]

The Corpus have always had a tie to the Sentients too

[cinder marten]

the corpus help us rebuild the rail

[night zephyr]

I do not want to hear Nef Anyo squawking at me in Tau 😭

[cinder marten]

we're back here again betrayers

do you remember now

[thorny barn]

iirc the original sentients were made by a Corpus scientist and presented to the Seven

[balmy storm]

There’s never any word of a human colony in Tau

[zenith jacinth]

Wow. Squawk doesn't look like a real word

[balmy storm]

Perintol

He got a crater named after him lol

[pastel pasture]

Nef will be the mission handler. "Tenno the enemies have retaken a tower. Are you going to let that happen or destroy yet another one of my projects?"

[zenith jacinth]

Dude's name sounds like a medication

[thorny barn]

We need to finally kill this dude

[night zephyr]

Forget descendia that would be hell

[pastel pasture]

and there was never any word on uriels existing but that was a major part of the orokin empire. all im saying is don't take "no proof for it" as proof against it

[balmy storm]

I really doubt the Sentients would be chill with the Anarchs and vice versa
Even if they came to the conclusion they both got duped by the Orokin

[pastel pasture]

corpus and grineer exist in the same system. doesn't mean they are friends

[cinder marten]

in the old peace tau has lots of blue but when we visit there it will all be red instead bc sentients angy new war rah

[balmy storm]

Except the Anarchs and the Sentients both want Tau for themselves?

[pastel pasture]

grineer and corpus are at war yes

[balmy storm]

And have a much larger system to do that

[pastel pasture]

by like. 4 planets

[balmy storm]

And the anarchs are absolutely outmatched without an Orokin benefactor

[cinder marten]

maybe we will encounter spirits from the old war or something

anarch ghosts lol

[thorny barn]

Sentients be like "Hey theres this group, the Anarchs, they instigated against our Peace Treaty and eventually lead to the destruction of the one thing that gave us individuality, lets just let all of them chill with us in the star system"

Sure.

[balmy storm]

Tau appears to have a gas giant, maybe a planet maybe a moon and absolutely 3 moons for a total of 5 known bodies

[thorny barn]

Sentient Gas city tileset P L E A S E .

[pastel pasture]

griener get gas giant and moon. sentients get 2 moons and a space station

[balmy storm]

Also again the Anarchs get wiped without their Orokin benefactor
Also the individuality thing was specifically for the fragments

[pastel pasture]

i mean anarch.

[balmy storm]

Okay but why would the sentients decide to be peaceful with the anarchs

Cause if they’re at war the sentients just wipe them out

[pastel pasture]

or. hear me out

[thorny barn]

There's a reason the players don't write the story lol

[balmy storm]

The anarchs lack their Orokin benefactor, they lack the resources they once had

[pastel pasture]

DE writes a reason the anarchs are fine

[cinder marten]

a whole field of anarch skeletons

oh wait it's been centuries they prolly dust by now

[balmy storm]

Or
They were wiped out completely

[pastel pasture]

you say the sentients wipe the anarchs out but the anarchs WON the old peace

[thorny barn]

Audibly laughed

[cinder marten]

the anarchs form a guerilla against the sentients on tau and somehow survives

[pastel pasture]

they literally did win

[balmy storm]

But they didn’t win the Old War
Which continued

[cinder marten]

after they've been cutoff from the solar rail

[cerulean kiln]

The real winner is the Orokin tbh

[thorny barn]

Nobody tell this guy what happens to every single military force in Human history that gets their supply lines cut off in enemy territory

[cinder marten]

and the anarchs centuries later have become a new syndicate to farm standing on

[balmy storm]

Hunhow specifically destroys the rail during the second half of the Old War

[pastel pasture]

i like how all arguements the anarchs are all gone is "but if this was real life..."

[cinder marten]

they die or get captured or form a guerilla with the local population

[obtuse gyro]

the anarchs won? after we killed their leader?

[cinder marten]

what local population

[pastel pasture]

yep. peace treat didn't get signed

that was their goal. it was accomplished

[obtuse gyro]

I can tell you killed their leader too fast

[balmy storm]

Wasn’t it part of Ballas’ plan to do away with the Anarchs and attack the Sentients all at once, destroy the rebellious Dax and Grineer and wipe out the xenoflora

[obtuse gyro]

because you dont actually know why they were trying to destroy the peace treaty

the anarchs wanted tau for themselves

[cinder marten]

terminator battle on a desolate moon

[cerulean kiln]

The real winner of Old Peace is Ballas

[obtuse gyro]

they didnt even get it

[pastel pasture]

and they would have gotten it if the sentients didn't win

the war

[undone lodge]

I mean the Sentients survived and thrived for the rest of the war until they faked their defeat, and they stayed as traitors instead of whatever Nitokh promised that made Galastra think she could own land there afterwards so

[obtuse gyro]

they wouldnt lmao, didnt you already see tauron get destroyed in the after math?

[cinder marten]

maybe the sentients enslaved the anarchs oooo

nah too messed up

[balmy storm]

Oh I can see that
Keeping some alive just cause

[obtuse gyro]

Like the actual orokin empire side left tau, the anarchs are stranded in heavily hostile territory

[pastel pasture]

The grineer survived without orokin

[balmy storm]

The Orokin kidnapping children to body hop into them via murder juice:

[cinder marten]

the irony of it

[pastel pasture]

anarchs can survive without orokin

[balmy storm]

The Grineer weren’t against the Sentients.

[obtuse gyro]

like the Orokin empire barely held their own against the sentients, you think a rebel group that relied on Executor backing is going to withstand the sentients without their executor?

[balmy storm]

We saw how the Grineer actually faired against the Sentients during the New War
It wasn’t well!

[undone lodge]

The Grineer took over things afterwards and had at least one Orokin to help them get past genelocks until The Queens

[cerulean kiln]

Funny their leaders are Orokin

[undone lodge]

Not much that’d be helpful with starting up that’d a. Be in warzone or b. Not be genelocked

[pastel pasture]

i think we're both argueing for sides that have no evidence beyond theories based of half informations

however you really going to look me in the eyes and tell me Tau will be a one faction area

[obtuse gyro]

I will look you in the eye and tell you the anarchs by all definitions of a victory, lost in the Old Peace

[pastel pasture]

if you define a victory as goals being met. the goals were met.

no peace treaty. then ideally the way continues, sentients die, and the grineer get their land

[balmy storm]

Considering Tau is the next and largest arc I could see there being sects of Sentients, multiple factions just all Sentients
Like how the Origin System is multiple factions of all Humans

[pastel pasture]

its just the war didn't go as planned

[obtuse gyro]

goals were not met

I repeat, the anarch goal was for Tau to solely belong to the Orokin

The boss lady literally tells you this repeatedly in the quest

[pastel pasture]

you are lookingat it the wrong way

[balmy storm]

I hope we get sentinel lore in Tau

[pastel pasture]

the WAR was lost

[thorny barn]

They are playing Delusionframe

[pastel pasture]

the goal of anarchs in the old peace was not to win the war. it was to start the war

[obtuse gyro]

and the Anarchs failed to secure tau for the orokin

[cerulean kiln]

We got Sentient lore on Tau

[pastel pasture]

yes. during the war

[balmy storm]

Yeah but sentinels might be sentients!

[obtuse gyro]

like youre not even seeing the higher intent by the Anarchs here

[pastel pasture]

you are missing my point entirely

[obtuse gyro]

like boss lady had a whole spiel about how she was going to have a house in Tau

[balmy storm]

I wanna know if they were like
Just s friendly faction of sentients or like. The equivalent to sentient animals, specifically dogs and cats

[cerulean kiln]

Wasn’t it that they just sort of look similar but not exactly being

[pastel pasture]

The anarch's goal was "stop the peace treaty" so that the war could be restarted and they could get the land they were promised

the peace treaty was stopped

the war was not won but im not talking about the war

[obtuse gyro]

thats not how it works

[balmy storm]

Lemme check
I believe it was somewhat ambiguous

[obtuse gyro]

the intent of starting the war was to secure Tau for the Orokin

you fail the intent, you fail your mission

[pastel pasture]

you are intentionally missing my point -_-

[obtuse gyro]

your point isnt complete

because you keep shooting too low for what the Anarch goal is

[thorny barn]

They are ragebaiting yall

Just go do your Omnia Fissures

[pastel pasture]

I am dividing the anarch's goal into two parts

1. old peace. 2. old war part 2

the goals for 1 were accomplished. the goals for 2 were failed

[cerulean kiln]

Thus that’s a failure

[undone lodge]

Ah, I see what you mean now

[obtuse gyro]

I know what you mean

[balmy storm]

Maybe Sentients!

On the border of chartered space, an enclave of small, strange, seemingly intelligent creatures was discovered by Tenno explorers. They are mechanical entities, almost organic in appearance, with a precarious resemblance to the fearsome Sentients that had decimated human civilisation. However, these creatures showed no signs of aggression, and they immediately began carrying out helpful tasks in a peculiar alliance with the Tenno.

[obtuse gyro]

Im saying from a tactical point of you the goals of 1 are not accomplished

like from a planning perspective, HQ intent is not met

[cinder marten]

well the sentients are an evolving species

[pastel pasture]

The anarchs accomplished the goal of starting the war again. you can not tell me this is wrong

[balmy storm]

Are the sentinels sentients that evolved into puppies

This is what I want to know

Please DE
I’m probably the only one wanting sentinel lore but please lol

[pastel pasture]

you mean robotic companions? they are just robots.

[balmy storm]

Wasn’t that Ballas

[pastel pasture]

sure whatever. we agree then. conversation over

[obtuse gyro]

Like say, imagine you were tasked to destroy an enemy anti-air battery, because your HQ intent is to reduced enemy AA ability. By sheer luck, someone accidently broke it, however for some reason, enemy anti-air capabilities are not diminished, despite all your efforts. HQ not met, mission failed

[balmy storm]

I literally just posted their lore but I’ll do it again!!

On the border of chartered space, an enclave of small, strange, seemingly intelligent creatures was discovered by Tenno explorers. They are mechanical entities, almost organic in appearance, with a precarious resemblance to the fearsome Sentients that had decimated human civilisation. However, these creatures showed no signs of aggression, and they immediately began carrying out helpful tasks in a peculiar alliance with the Tenno.

[thorny barn]

There's a seperate Sentient skin for the Sentinels, but they are just seperate Robots.

[pastel pasture]

wait that was the wrong guy with the grineer mask pfp. whatever

[cinder marten]

let's take a step back and determine who backed the anarchs

[pastel pasture]

KIM chat seems to disagree with them being intelligent

[cinder marten]

they're just a rogue clan of dax and grineer, an expendable means to an end

[thorny barn]

This lore is so damn old, it needs to be updated, one of the Sentinels is literally just a Grineer balloon, another one is Railjack equipment, one of them is a Corpus drone, etc.

[cinder marten]

backed by a conspirator

[undone lodge]

God some of these little lore bits make me so curious about the actual Tenno like, organisation as a whole

Like we had weaponsmiths. Where we the weaponsmiths or did the Orokin just get them to work for us? And the explorers, were those just our staff or were some Tenno sent out scouting or on an expedition for whatever reason

[balmy storm]

“An enclave of small, strange, seemingly intelligent creatures was discovered by Tenno explorers.“A precarious resemble to the fearsome Sentients” “these creatures showed no signs of aggression”

We have a mysterious enclave of being that seems to be intelligent that visually resemble sentients and that’s just nothing?

[pastel pasture]

pre night of naga drums I have to imagine the tenno "faction" was purely just the children

post naga drums the tenno faction probably has weaponsmiths

[balmy storm]

Exact quote?

[cinder marten]

these all seem very nice and very generous, wonder if it was all margulis and the tenno program

[pastel pasture]

its one of the chats with Amir IIRC

[balmy storm]

One is just some infestation iirc too
But this old lore is still canon until proven otherwise entirely

[cinder marten]

and then whole academies for these tenno children

[balmy storm]

I guess I’ll find it cause you can’t brb

[thorny barn]

This lore was made like, over a decade ago, probably as nothingburger flavor text at the time. At MOST I'd say they are probably very early model Sentients, I think that's the only way this works.

[undone lodge]

Nono it was a specific organisation

The “Tekelu” weapon skins, those were made by the Tekelu school of weaponsmiths

[pastel pasture]

bruh im dang looking

you know how many amir chats there are?

[cinder marten]

where the tenno train their void powers like the x-men or something

[balmy storm]

And after looking up sentinel on Kimulacrum and finding literally nothing I am unsure if this even exists nor how to find it

[balmy storm]

Kimulacrum should help to narrow things down

It just relies on knowing a quote to some extent

Or guessing what words were there or would make sense

[cinder marten]

Margulis' School for Gifted Youngsters

[pastel pasture]

i know there was some hex conversation that related to someone asking you about robots

and im pretty sure you could tell them about sentinals

[thorny barn]

Probably Amir

Asking about Cephalons

[balmy storm]

Or
Small sect of sentients broke off sometime during the Old War, becoming the sentinels we know which sparked the creation of the ones that more so resemble other factions
Or
If they are truly sentients maybe they adapted in appearance?

[cinder marten]

i mean

the Tenno have Dojos and shi

[pastel pasture]

i found one where you could tell him about robots but no sentinal option

[balmy storm]

I’ll take anything ngl lol

[cinder marten]

you are not welcome in my dojo lil bro

[balmy storm]

I fear you may have misremembered
Which sucks cause I’d love new sentinel lore lol

This will be my copium, that the sentinel lore is somehow still canon and will totally be relevant or touched on in any way

[pastel pasture]

whatever (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

im always resetting hex. i'll tell you if i see it

[undone lodge]

I think some of them are just actual drones, called Sentinels because changing things for them to be actually distinguished from them in-game would be too much effort to justify

[balmy storm]

New sentinel lore to coincide with a new sentinel would be cool

[worn sinew]

Drifter
  There are Corpus drones.
  They're "real" robotics. All sorts of fun drones you'd love to play with.
  Ospreys, razorbacks, hounds, MOAs, raptors...
H16h V0l7463
  SO COOL
Drifter
  Yeah, I have a few robotic pets. They help me in fights.
H16h V0l7463
  WHAAAAAT
  LEAD WITH THAT NEXT TIME HOLY SHIT
  it's just like that time i strapped wheels and a knife to my kinegotchi
  but like so much better tho
...quincy was so fuggin mad at me lmao got 'em right in the shin```

[balmy storm]

Thank you lol
Goodluck

[pastel pasture]

sadly that could just be referring to moas and hounds

[worn sinew]

"sentinel" does not appear anywhere in any kim chat

and it says it right there it's referring to the corpus's robotics, so yes, moas and hounds and all that

[cinder marten]

maybe the tenno is like their own john wick assassin organization or something

[undone lodge]

Like the Grineer Nightwatch’s Diriga

[pastel pasture]

amir isn't the only person who asks about the future though

could be...Elenore too. I think she asks about the future

[worn sinew]

again, "sentinel" does not appear anywhere in any kim chat

[balmy storm]

I can see this too
It does make it confusing since there’s a very clearly infested “Sentinel” present in the concept art for the Sentinel fragment

[cinder marten]

well there's a weapon that does say that there was a group of tenno assassins

[pastel pasture]

crazy theres a search bar

[worn sinew]

exactly

[balmy storm]

Yeah I said I looked it up and found nothing lol

[worn sinew]

"sentient" comes up plenty, because of course it does, but sentinels are never mentioned

[balmy storm]

If they talk about them it’s not by name which is weird

[pastel pasture]

sentinals are abandoned lore confirmed

[thorny barn]

I'd be fine with this, but DE has kinda just split off, the old sentinel designs look kinda sentient (Carrier, Wyrm, Shade), but Taxon, Djinn, Oxylus, Dethcube, Nautilus, and Diriga all diverge and look like just faction robots. It's probably just a slow divergence from the old. Hell, half of them have been primed--albeit that's like a nothingburger reponse to lore attp.

[pastel pasture]

only slightly joking 🙁

[undone lodge]

There’s also an Orokin one which

Well, considering Daklo, a cephalon chosen to be part of the diplomatic effort, and his stance on Caliban Prime. Doesn’t really feel like it’d fit the modern lore

[cinder marten]

the orokin towers have challenge rooms that specialize on a certain tenno discipline

[undone lodge]

Nautilus is definitely just a drone

[cinder marten]

lasers and shi

[thorny barn]

Yeah

[undone lodge]

It was a thing for Railjack crews

[worn sinew]

dethcube, djinn, carrier, and carrier prime

[thorny barn]

two kittens have invaded my keyboard space

[pastel pasture]

turn one of them into a cephalon

[thorny barn]

NO

[balmy storm]

I like the idea that some are the Sentinels talked about in the fragment while others are just basic robots or some infestation or something

The infested one really breaks them all being sentients

[thorny barn]

this would be neat

[worn sinew]

and if you want to get more specific the dethcube appears to have the diamond wing cosmetic

[cinder marten]

we were play fighting with megazord adis to train our void powers

on our free time

[thorny barn]

inb4 Uriels demons are just Sentinels put through the Helminth and Warframified

[undone lodge]

Yeah it’s got to be

Like, Nautilus can’t be Sentient considering who Railjacks were fighting. And Oxylus is literally just something the Solaris banged together for search and rescue

[balmy storm]

I do think there’s a difference between Cephalon proxy bodies and Sentinels

[night zephyr]

Unrelated but I love Uriel's sound design

[undone lodge]

Oh no I just meant like

[thorny barn]

I love that they gave us an Ordis Sentinel skin

[pastel pasture]

what lore would prime sentinals mean if they were sentients

[balmy storm]

Why can’t Nautilus be one?

[night zephyr]

Maybe it's the growling, scratches the same itch Voruna does

[balmy storm]

The Sentinels specifically fight alongside us, I don’t think they like the Sentients proper much

[pastel pasture]

i mean yeah prime doesn't mean orokin necessarily but we aren't exactly seeing a whole lot of non-orokin primes

Lavos primed himself but Lavos is still an orokin invention

[cinder marten]

when we were defending ballas's carriage in the old peace, after he steps out he's like hmm yes very impressive

[balmy storm]

This is
A piece of lore ig

DeathHeart64 asks: Why can't I name my Sentinel?
A Sentinel is assigned both a manufacturing serial number and generic model name at creation, so I must make the assumption that you require an extra customisation.

It is not uncommon for many Tenno to experience a lack of creativity. Studies conducted show that many field agents do not form proper relationships with others when subjected to intense stress and isolation. Should the need to address your Sentinel in a more familiar fashion ever arise, please feel free to choose from the following names randomly generated from my databanks:

Ludvic
John
Kappa
Varg
Cordylon II

[cinder marten]

all that training wasn't for nothing good job

[undone lodge]

Daklo is genuinely disgusted by them mixing Sentient tech with “Orokin gold”, and he’s one of the ones chosen for a diplomatic effort

Imagine the attitudes of the engineers at home

[balmy storm]

Prime means Orokin 99% of the time

The 1% is Rev Prime

[pastel pasture]

my point exactly. Primed sentinals being actually secretly sentients doesn't really line up

[undone lodge]

Caliban Prime:

[pastel pasture]

Caliban is orokin

[cerulean kiln]

Prime Sentients exist

[thorny barn]

Caliban is both

[cerulean kiln]

The Old Peace literally had Prime Sentients

[balmy storm]

Simaris owns sentinels and treats them kinda like puppies

[undone lodge]

Caliban is Sentient-Orokin hybrid tech, and his Prime is made normally

[pastel pasture]

did it?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[thorny barn]

The Zariman has that Botanist Sentinel

[pastel pasture]

care to elaborate?

[balmy storm]

Heck the sentients are orokin made
Prime sentinels make sense during the peace treaty

[cerulean kiln]

The point of the quest is Sentients and Orokin were working together to make things

[balmy storm]

If that’s a sentinel and not a simple robot

But also no that can not be a sentinel

[thorny barn]

It has all the doohikies and bits and pieces of usual Sentinels iirc

[balmy storm]

Sentinels were discovered by the tenno and that came later
So not all sentinel skins are sentinels

[thorny barn]

That decade old lore needs to be changed

[pastel pasture]

sentenced to de-sentineling equips skin

[balmy storm]

I hate and love how deep and confusing the sentinel lore is while we still have
Basically nothing!

[cinder marten]

orokin gold is so diverse, the greenish gold resembles electrum which is an alloy of gold and silver

[balmy storm]

Or canonized with an update to clarify

[pastel pasture]

would orokin gold be...gold? like...bio-gold

[thorny barn]

A good bit of the decade old lore needs to be changed, alot of it was made prior to like, any of the current content and story being fleshed out.

[balmy storm]

Okay but imagine it
We get to Tau
Sentient with a Sentinel farm, they tell you all the lore on every Sentinel

[pastel pasture]

do they grow a warframe then declare them prime by stapling some gold to them

[cinder marten]

prolly synthesized gold or mined resources from all of the planets

[pastel pasture]

or is a prime warframe grown prime

[thorny barn]

5-Rank Syndicate and you only get the lore on them during rank up cutscenes, the monkey's paw curls..

[cerulean kiln]

They give them gold then higher stats

Some started as Primes

[balmy storm]

Sentinel specific syndicate…

[cinder marten]

if the greenish gold is an alloy then it must be scarce lol

[balmy storm]

Give me a Sentient treating them like puppies

[cinder marten]

the browner golds seen on their architecture must be the more common ones

[undone lodge]

The individual frame itself is made Prime from the start

Except the first Lavos Prime ig

[pastel pasture]

so gross meat gold

[cinder marten]

the entrati obols are gold circles

[pastel pasture]

got it

[balmy storm]

They were masters of bioengineering

[pastel pasture]

and that's gross. imagine living in a meat tower

[thorny barn]

There's a bit in the lore that says that some primes were EARNED, made after their defaults.

[balmy storm]

The Ostrons, who eat from the meat tower:

[pastel pasture]

wait is the orbiter meat. AM i living in a meat tower?

[undone lodge]

individual frame

[balmy storm]

Probably not entirely
Helminth is part of the Orbiter

Technically you yourself is a meat ship

[cerulean kiln]

You are the meat suit for an Orokin in a tower

[cinder marten]

cutting up the abandoned orokin tower like a whale lol

[thorny barn]

They need to give us the full Orbiter interior man

[pastel pasture]

two

lavos and Rev

[balmy storm]

More like a meat planet but y’know

[balmy storm]

Unum’s chill with it dw

[undone lodge]

Rev doesn’t count he’s weird

[pastel pasture]

Talk like that is what gave us chains of harrow

[undone lodge]

Fatherless b-

[balmy storm]

What’s next, some sort of mask of revenant?

[cinder marten]

here's a picture of Electrum, a metal alloy of gold and silver

[balmy storm]

[undone lodge]

I’m not sure. I guess it’s like, a Limbo Theorem or something

[cinder marten]

maybe gold has become so common that platinum became more valuable lol

[pastel pasture]

garten of calibanban

[cinder marten]

i liek gold

[cerulean kiln]

I can definitely see that happening

[glad jay]

Question, why would no one try to transfer their minds into operators like the queens wanted

[cerulean kiln]

We never hear Gold being called a premium anything in Warframe

[glad jay]

And when will our choices have consequences, some ppl didn't drink the kuva and became junkies

[undone lodge]

Racism

[undone lodge]

They won’t

[pastel pasture]

wasn't that going to happen to Voruna's Operator before Voruna took care of it

[cerulean kiln]

But this has been attempted twice in lore

[pastel pasture]

the orokin were pretty racist toward the tenno so I imagine nobody wanted to 'taint' themselves

[undone lodge]

Since Warframe isn’t like other games with choices and you can’t just reset or get a second save, DE focuses on the personal meaning they have to the character you play

[cerulean kiln]

Ballas even mentions how he might do it

[cinder marten]

must be scary

[undone lodge]

Well, except for KIM but that’s a separate system that doesn’t have the same progression so it doesn’t count anyway

[cinder marten]

would you risk transferring your whole consciousness into something you don't understand yet

you lived this long

[glad jay]

Elaborate

[glad jay]

Wasn't there when she came out and didn't farm her yet

[cerulean kiln]

Queens
Tuvul before Voruna cut him up
Ballas makes a threat to do it in Old Peace

[cinder marten]

not ballas but the driver of ballas's carriage

[pastel pasture]

from what i was told.

Voruna's operator was going to be continuity'd but Voruna killed the Orokin who was going to do it. I think it was one of the Executors but idk

[cinder marten]

emergency continuity on the event of sudden death on the executor

[glad jay]

How can we get that lore tho?

[pastel pasture]

sigh ill go look about Voruna's leviarian ig uess

[glad jay]

And did it happen? Or voruna was faster?

[glad jay]

No need, just saying if there's a place for it aside of the lev

[cerulean kiln]

Leverian is where we learn about it

[cinder marten]

no this is in old peace not voruna's leverian

[glad jay]

Oh? Where exactly

[cinder marten]

the part when you defend the executor's carriage

if you fail and the passenger dies it is implied that they take you as the emergency yuvan to revive them

[pastel pasture]

I briefly skimmed the lev

[glad jay]

Oh?

[pastel pasture]

saw no mention of Voruna's operator being the target but Voruna did kill Tuvul as they were undergoing continuity

now to be clear. i skimmed it

[pastel pasture]

i think you and ashless are having two different conversations

you're talking about Ballas in the old peace. Ashless is talking about continuity on tenno

which is related but still two seperate things ultimately

[cinder marten]

old peace and voruna leverian

[pastel pasture]

i guess i specifically mean Voruna stopping continuity on a tenno

[balmy storm]

And war within

[cinder marten]

oh right the kuva queen

broken scepter the kuva bonk stick

[balmy storm]

It’s heavily implied the tenno Voruna saved was her operator

[cinder marten]

teshin being compelled to serve the grineer queen because he is dax and she is orokin

[pastel pasture]

do we know why The Indifference wanted the operator to drink the kuva?

[balmy storm]

I don’t believe so

But it likely won’t have any crazy effects since you can just not

[pastel pasture]

They imply destroying the kuva is a violation of the deal

so whatever the reason was it was probably....something?

not to say it will have an effect but just that it was probably something special

"What's the matter kiddo, you mad at me? Don't forget we had a deal"

[balmy storm]

Wally be weird

[zenith jacinth]

That sounds like a command

"Wally! Be weird."

[cerulean kiln]

Wally is weird

[sacred pebble]

Is the old peace the end of the story or there still more?

[winged sandal]

for now yes for main story quest

[pastel pasture]

current end but the story told in old peace is continuing with Tau update in 2026

[wild wind]

Tau is in sight. So the next arc of the story is going to be there.

[pastel pasture]

i kinda want a community event of rebuilding the solar rails

[placid shadow]

that was an interesting conversation

[teal steppe]

Ordis's line there.

[pastel pasture]

Live Ordis reaction

[teal steppe]

Also, excuse me!? What is this meme of a reference?

[teal steppe]

So, they could either be referencing the Helminth chair that you use for Warframe subsuming and ability modification... or well... they could be referencing this thing:

[pastel pasture]

i also dont get whats special about that thing

[teal steppe]

Context (from what I remember): Apparently this chair was a pain to animate properly in the 1999 update. As for in-game, Wally can sometimes just appear on the chair, even in 1999.

[pastel pasture]

oh dang

speaking of Wallman

am i the only one who mixes up Wally and The Outsider (dishonored)

[teal steppe]

"The Outsider"?

Oh, || Rell ||?

[pastel pasture]

from dishonored

another game

I keep finding myself thinking that that is the true form of Wally

[night zephyr]

Sometimes Ordis likes to assume he knows nothing

[teal steppe]

Ah, okay. And I can see where you coming from. Sorry, I see "The Outsider (dishonored)", and thinking of what happened || to Rell on the Zariman Ten-Zero. ||

[pastel pasture]

so that makes me question

we have people who call it the Zariman ten-zero. we have people who call it the Zariman ten-o

did anyone call it the Zariman 100

[cerulean kiln]

What comes after 9?

[pastel pasture]

ten-zero: correct as that is the name

ten-o: acceptable alternative

one hundred: arguably accurate if you read it as Zariman 10-0

[cerulean kiln]

There was more than one Zariman

[pastel pasture]

yes however you must realize

The average human is not going to have knowledge of all the Zarimans. there are humans today who couldn't name all the significant spaceships or any of them

there is surely at least one person who saw "Zariman 10-0" and went "Zariman one hundred"

[cerulean kiln]

Many didn’t even know about the Zariman since the Orokin hid most of the incident after it came back

Leaving in the bit about Tenno existing

Then they put it back where it was found

[pastel pasture]

also consider the following

[winged sandal]

10 minus 0

[pastel pasture]

It feels fitting that one of the Orokin would try to ragebait someone who gets mad when people say 10-o instead of 10-0

ragebait by saying one hundred

[winged sandal]

10 subtract by 0

[pastel pasture]

im not doing your math homework

[winged sandal]

also does ten-0 have any significant?
as in is there other zariman ship?

[cerulean kiln]

There is

Zariman was the 10th

[winged sandal]

what happened to the other 9

[obtuse gyro]

you see what happend to the 5th series

its the eggs

The Zariman 10-0 is probably the only one of the 10th series

[pastel pasture]

aegg

[winged sandal]

oh the zariman ship is created to go to tau for one purpose or another?

[cerulean kiln]

The 10th was

[obtuse gyro]

The Zariman project was to colonise tau, because someone felt the sentients were too flow

[pastel pasture]

what if we go to Tau

and find a zarman called the zariman 6-7

[cerulean kiln]

5th is the only other one we know what happened to

[cinder marten]

office chair prime

[obtuse gyro]

I will brush your teeth

[night zephyr]

Marie already had a dialogue with "6? 7?" I can't do this anymore

[cinder marten]

zariman 6-7 and their journey to the skibidi system

[pastel pasture]

you must all realize that DE is fully aware of the 6 7 joke and some of them find it funny

Marie saying 67 was intentional

[night zephyr]

I'm going to curse you with one thousand ropalolysts

[cinder marten]

67 ropalolysts

[pastel pasture]

also what is with the weird zariman naming scheme

10-0. 5-9

[cerulean kiln]

Wait till you learn Windows naming or Xbox naming

[cinder marten]

imagine if the tenno were called the sixseven instead

[pastel pasture]

to be fair. windows 9 was skipped because of windows 98

[night zephyr]

25 or 6-4

[cinder marten]

the sixseven children controlled the warframes

[pastel pasture]

"You have loyalty issues sixseven. My zanuka project will fix that for you"

[cinder marten]

the Zariman is a very old concept by DE, it's there even in the very early versions of Dark Sector

[quick smelt]

We need to bridge the number memes between generations

I petition 68 + 1 as the new funny number

[night zephyr]

zanutuah project

[pastel pasture]

do not forget we have Noctua

[quick smelt]

You’re the reason why Wally is a menace to society

[night zephyr]

split on that thang

I'm losing it

I need wally to come out and die already I'm sick of his ass

[cinder marten]

the technocyte virus in dark sector resembles the void infestation on the angels of the zariman update

[pastel pasture]

NGL i get why they did it but i can't help but feel like it was a mistake to base warframe lore off dark sector

only because of how like....weirdly built on an unstable tower the lore is

[cinder marten]

they just reused concepts and turned it into what we have now

dark sector had a vibe, to me it looks like space MGS lol

[quick smelt]

They tore open Dark Sector to take some of its components to build something new

[night zephyr]

so they took a sector of dark sector

[cinder marten]

https://youtu.be/Okqa8BYkRHI?si=heYo49Y1aGWY8XUP

[pastel pasture]

maybe they took a dark of dark sector

[quick smelt]

Yes
They took Dark Sector’s Sector

[cinder marten]

sector acquired

[pastel pasture]

wild thought that is absolutely not going to happen but would fit in with the twists

We get to Tau. It's full on under Orokin control

[wild wind]

Would actually be wild

[pastel pasture]

do we have any executors unaccounted for?

or at this point do we know how every one of them died

[cerulean kiln]

No

[wild wind]

We're missing several

The only ones we know for sure are Ballas, Tuvul, Karishh and Avatus

[cerulean kiln]

Ballas planned Naga Drums so of course he survived

Nihil hid

Queens managed to survive

Entrati family put their home in the Void

Oh and Roathe was kidnapped

[pastel pasture]

isn't it implied that Nitokh would have killed herself if the plan she had failed

or am i thinking of Roathe's plan to take out the executors

[cinder marten]

We go there only to find out that the orokin has actually succeeded in starting over again lol

That’s why the sentients went back to the origin system haha

[wild wind]

That was Roathe, we don't know what Nitokh's plan was

[cerulean kiln]

Ballas succeeded at getting the War to start again in Old Peace

[devout cipher]

Sorry to interrupt, and this is going to sound like a really stupid question, but -- [post-The Old Peace]

||Roathe asked me not to do Descendia anymore, and I said yes. Please do spoil me on this, if I were to do a run, would he get upset? Is there a point where he rescinds that restriction? Mechanically I want to do Descendia for the rewards, but from a character standpoint I do not want to betray his trust||

[wild wind]

Yes.

But you ||have to||

[pastel pasture]

||yes he gets really mad at you. REALLY mad. and demands you reset his memory||

[night zephyr]

Not a stupid question btw don't worry

[devout cipher]

Well, shit. What do I do then?

[pastel pasture]

reset his memory

[wild wind]

Or tell him you changed your mind

[teal steppe]

|| Do Decendia, kill him 21 times, then time-loop The Devil's triad. ||

[wild wind]

Mind you, Roathe actually ||remembers getting memories back and calls you out on resetting him||

[devout cipher]

I'm starting to think either ||I made the wrong choice or I'm left with the only ethical option of not doing Descendia||

[night zephyr]

I would say it's worth the reset given Descendia has good rewards that reset every week

It would be unfortunate to miss out on those entirely

[pastel pasture]

i really say just reset

[wild wind]

Descendia has okay rewards, I haven't been impressed with the weeklies

25 steel essence is nice tho'

[teal steppe]

|| Ethics? In this game about Tenno (and Orokins) commiting warcrimes? It's okay, time looping the protoframes is the least of your worries. ||

[night zephyr]

I think it's a fun game mode too, personally if it were me I would reset over never touching it again

[teal steppe]

FYI, weekly resets of Decendia does not effect KIM, and vice versa.

[pastel pasture]

Jen if it makes you feel better ||Roathe doesn't know what's good for him. He's running from his past and the only way forward is to make him remember it||

[devout cipher]

||I'm going to mull it over. Honestly I may just not do Descendia. Like, yes, from a gameplay standpoint that is actually really stupid, but at the same time I don't know if I can really bring myself to do it. The point of KIM is to engage with everyone as human beings instead of written simulacra, and if I just look at them as nothing but datapoints and cost-benefit analyses, I lose something in the trade.||

||Who knows. There may be a conversation down the line where Roathe relents. The update is only a few weeks old, I don't think these conversations have been fully mapped yet.||

[pastel pasture]

"The update is only a few weeks old, I don't think these conversations have been fully mapped yet."

yeah Jen bad news on that front

[devout cipher]

Oh for sure. I just... ||feel a bit pinned between knowing that something is good for him and also not wanting to betray his trust||

[pastel pasture]

given how branching the story is though

[night zephyr]

That makes sense, I understand

[pastel pasture]

im sure there's a "roathe i changed my mind"

[night zephyr]

It's also kind of freaky when they remember

[pastel pasture]

it'd still be a promise breaking but he probably wouldn't be as upset if you just did it without telling him

[night zephyr]

There may be a way to get him to relent yeah, dunno

[glad jay]

@devout cipher full on spoiler: ||yes you have to do decendia in order for him to remember, the quest is buggy a bit or so I think since multiple ppl had anathema where I didn't, but you have to go through his memories for his good ending||

If moi is wrong someone correct moi, but ye, in my case no looping was required

[wild wind]

If it makes you feel any better... ||There isn't, he thanks you for not doing more Descendia and that's it||

[glad jay]

And in this case, ||he needs to face his fears||

[pastel pasture]

im a bit nervous about continuing to talk with Roathe because of that bug

[night zephyr]

Can't run from your past forever even if you're as fast as Gauss

[pastel pasture]

where he just resets relationship for no reason

[night zephyr]

I believe I'm one or two conversations away from "close" with all 3 and I'm about to go on vacation, so I think I'll leave them until the next fixes/patch comes out

[devout cipher]

I'll let things play out for a while, I guess. It's not an immediate decision

[wild wind]

Visual bug only

[devout cipher]

I hope someone on the writing team gets some schadenfreude from this conversation lol

[wild wind]

Er, that was aimed at Minuet. If you reset the game it goes back to normal.

The KIMs are all written by one person iirc

[glad jay]

Betraying his trust is sure a nice touch on ethics but take akin to someone having a very harmful habit and you're forcing them to leave it

[devout cipher]

well I hope that singular writer gets some schadenfreude

[pastel pasture]

is there a way to track how many descendias ive done

[devout cipher]

bastard (affectionate)

[night zephyr]

LOL

[wild wind]

Kat Kingsley is her name

[night zephyr]

I just counted honestly, well counted after he stopped counting and started pleading

[pastel pasture]

im going to fix roathe. or at least try to. this time but man if im not a sucker for the "he can break me" trope

[night zephyr]

Lyon: I can fix him
Marie: she can fix me
Roathe: he can make me worse

Alternatively you can make him worse but I guess that goes for all of them

[devout cipher]

Well, Kat, you did a phenomenal job, but damn it, I hope you appreciate the dilemma you put me in!

[wild wind]

Me to Roathe:

https://tenor.com/view/eva碇源堂-gif-20110246

[pastel pasture]

So descendia

is it just drifter, roathe, lyon and Marie taking a group bath in the refractory?

[wild wind]

I think so

You're basically doing for him what Lotus did for Operator

[uncut solar]

do i have to call him a child too

[wild wind]

If he keeps acting like one....

[uncut solar]

[pastel pasture]

do i have to be his gay uncle too? or can loid still fulfil that role

[uncut solar]

can we have severed parts of enemies as decorations, please?

[undone lodge]

Zariman 10-0, the only ship in the 10th set of things sent to Tau. No distinguishing numbers needed, so 0

Zariman 5-9, the 9th of the unmanned craft dragging world-seeders to Tau on the 5th set of ships sent

[pastel pasture]

so you are saying there is a zairman 6-7

[undone lodge]

Perchance

[quick smelt]

I stg this 6 7 talk is gonna lead to them making the Zariman 6-7 canon

And I’m going to hope we have to blow it up to get past it

[undone widget]

I think I got 2 bugs on my KIM for the old peace protoframes

[hidden sorrel]

does anyone know how to initiate the kissing scenes between the new protoframes? i just romance Marie and dont know how

[undone widget]

I think it works like how the hex does?…

[hidden sorrel]

like at the end of the year, it auto initiates?

[undone widget]

Yes but I think I am 99% wrong ngl, so don’t rely on me for that

Like I just started dating Lyon today

But I have a weird bug on my KIM right now

But I’m dating him??..

[hidden sorrel]

i remembered in the devstream, they went to marie and when interacting with her, there was 'spend some time alone?' option but i dont see that, at least not yet

[hidden sorrel]

yeah that's weird

[undone widget]

Yeahh same same, it’s weird. Maybe we need to carry on talking to them? Again idk

[undone widget]

It is

Do you know what this mean for Roathe? Like I have the “close” status for him

[uncut solar]

Echoes of old peace, trust

[hidden sorrel]

yeah, maybe we have to finish helping roathe and his deal or make the 3 of them friendly together then the option is available

[undone widget]

Maybe yeah

[hidden sorrel]

i need that kissing scene bro 💀

[undone widget]

Have you seen it?

[hidden sorrel]

only the shortclip from the devstream

[undone widget]

I’ve seen Roathe one and I was like: damn 👀

[hidden sorrel]

and roathe as well, lyon not yet

[quick smelt]

Blow it up

[undone widget]

Ah fairs

I’ve seen a video of them all, Lyon one is cute

[hidden sorrel]

wait there is?

[undone widget]

I’m guessing with this one. I need to do something for him? Like carry on with the descendia

[undone widget]

Yeahh, I can send you a yt link

Unless you don’t wanna spoil Marie one

[hidden sorrel]

nah send me rn HAHA

[undone widget]

Again can skip that one

[undone widget]

Haha okay alright xd, it just the kissing scene

I need to add ya xd

Hope thats fine

[wild wind]

Anathema is the locked state

[undone widget]

Ah okay, how do I unlock it?

[wild wind]

Either it's the display bug again or you screwed up

Reset the game and see if that fixes it

[undone widget]

Ah okay, but I do have the close relationship with him

So maybe it’s a bug? But again this is his bio

[wild wind]

Like I said, reset

[undone widget]

Was about too

[obtuse gyro]

see if doing more descendia works

[undone widget]

Still there. Same with the Lyon bug, even though I’m dating him

[undone widget]

I’ll try, just weird though xd. As you see, I have the close relationship

I know it’s for if you messed up your relationship but i obviously didnt. If I’m close with him

[wild wind]

I'm pretty sure that the VM system is actually screwing over some of these conversations

And when the two catch up you get dumped into anathema because a flag trips late

[undone widget]

Yeah. But hopefully it’s a bug but I’ll try the descendia some point

[gray orchid]

I noticed that if I log out for a bit and then log back in the roathe chat returns, after a VM screws it up

[pseudo turtle]

yeah that tends to be how you fix it

[night zephyr]

That video showed up for me today lmao || roathe's manhandling and growls is wild, marie's feels the most cinematic and cute, and lyon's is sweet. they're all great. (someone commented in roathe it sounds like the MGM lion is just going off in the background) ||

[night zephyr]

The rate at which they show up is definitely odd and is messing with flow, yeah. For me personally my VMs came at a regular enough rate that it didn't screw me up but there were 5 each frontloaded and ending, then 2 regularly per day (but then he held off on the 21st till the next day)

I even went and beat him up a few more times to make sure I didn't actually stop at 20 despite counting for it

The other one who was bugging for me a lot was Lyon where it's the conversation that opens "can I ask you an odd question", it would always bug out and I restarted which fixed it, but I never got through that conversation

Marie has been fine

[wild wind]

That works sometimes but not always

The last time it happened I checked back after six hours and still nothing

[undone widget]

Hahah, I wouldn’t complain if Roathe ||manhandle me ngl|| xd

Marie is just cute and amazing

Lyon, so adorable

[undone widget]

I’ll do that, thanks

Am gonna head on, so hopefully it’s fixed

[prime magnet]

so apparently some of yall have the romance scenes already

or did yall spoiler yourselves with that one video LMAO

[pastel pasture]

i just come back into spoiler chat and see people talking about Roathe manhandling them

I see we're having good take discussions so here's one to add

Nova prime is good

[gray orchid]

dang thats quite poor luck, so far mine have returned after ~15 mins between log ins 😭

[prime magnet]

whoa whoa whoa what DO YOU MEAN BY THAT 👀

[hearty pendant]

the gold text right underneath:

[prime magnet]

||THE THREESOME IS REAL||

[pastel pasture]

||I do wish that the hex would have different reactions instead of them all being okay with you dating someone else. Like you really telling me Amir, Lettie and Aoi are all okay with it? Kim has always been about playing to who you are talking to. Some people should not be okay with it and break up with you for cheating||

[prime magnet]

||meanwhile eleanor "jokes on you, I'M INTO THAT KIND OF STUFF"||

[pastel pasture]

||Elenore? yeah it makes sense she's fine with it and is into it. However Aoi gives near the exact same response (only without mentioning mind reading obviously). Aoi has never struck me as someone who'd want to be polyamorous||

[gray orchid]

or maybe a more in depth convo at least, for certain characters. but they're all player sexual so it makes sense to be as it is currently from a dev perspective (especially with the time period they threw this together in)

[pastel pasture]

yeah maybe take a note from Devil's triade

||Elenore?|| Agrees right away

||Lettie?|| takes a lot of convincing and you can screw it up and ruin the relationship

[hearty pendant]

||lettie has a previous chat that directly contradicts the consent chat. not mentioning eleanor's character break in that chat too||

[undone lodge]

For me the worst bit is them treating it so casually

[pastel pasture]

IMO the consent chats are poorly written. all of them boil down to

[undone lodge]

Like, Eleanor treated it like gossip with Lettie 😭

[pastel pasture]

||Drifter: can we talk about something sensitive?||

||Hex: Oh you want to date someone else? yeah that's cool dw||

not even joking

[hearty pendant]

gossip, from the one with multiple chats about how she doesn't just go rooting around in other people's minds

[pastel pasture]

Amir when asking if he's single: IDK eternalism is pretty crazy

Amir when you vaguely imply you want to date other people: I know exactly what you mean

[undone lodge]

Tbf I feel like it’d be a very surface level thought

[hearty pendant]

probably
but not gossip
a couple lines where lettie notices drifter acting weird, asks eleanor, then eleanor tells her
not just 'oh lmao they have another partner and are going to tell you in a moment'
or just change the gossip line, idk.

if you really want to keep the same format/result/whatever, it could at least make a little more sense

[echo basalt]

Got the 2nd of the 5 tauron strike weapons

[hearty pendant]

which 2 have you gotten?

[feral barn]

Guess I'm not doing chats UNTIL I get the family Rank 5

[solid otter]

Poorly written bcs DE didn't anticipate folk not liking the idea of cheating on folk

Which. You still do.

"Its not cheating if its time travel!!!" That doesnt matter and ew what the hell that was so gross.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-macska-cica-vomit-oklendez-gif-14738230240638170539

[pastel pasture]

actually i think Amir would agree to give consent. However it wouldn't be born from honesty but fear of losing Drifter

[solid otter]

Arthur just wouldn't at all. I get the vibe he wouldn't.

Eleanor would tho, thats never shocked me

[hearty pendant]

i really hope its addressed in the echoes update
i don't care if it makes some people angry, these should be done right, have consequences, and be consistent with their previous characterization. *cough* lettie *cough*

[solid otter]

Amir would but like you said, out of fear of losing drifter

[solid otter]

Literally it's so easy to fix it.

"Oh hey [triad/hex member] I love you. But im also in a relationship, let me check with my other partner if this is okay before we do anything."

Trigger a new chat w said hex member

"Hi [insert hex/Triad member], I need to talk to you about something. Are you okay with opening up this relationship. Its totally okay if you dont want to."

"Yes drifter this is fine"

Switch back to the other text and say yeah this is fine, or with cases like Lettie, say yeah no unfortunately I can't.

Literally so easy.

[undone lodge]

It’s crazy that there isn’t even like, a tiny reprimand. I can see them not being ”too” upset about it, given they’re going to be ok with poly, they trust Drifter to an insane degree and already know that Duviri did a number on their social and emotional everything. But literally nothing at all??

[solid otter]

Bcs cant you like. Just avoid the consent convos while still having the romance active?

[hearty pendant]

yea the consent convos start with [ask for consent] or [Ignore.]

[solid otter]

WHAT.

THATS EVEN WORSE.

I just meant like. Not even opening the chat

Thats wild

[prime magnet]

for eleanor she just went "you're out there going out with someone, WITHOUT ME?"

[cerulean kiln]

Can’t with Eleanor cuz she just reads your mind anyway

[prime magnet]

and the fact that she can read out minds

[solid otter]

Yeah see w Eleanor she's like the only one I can see actually liking it

Freaky little bastard she is

-# I do love her though she's so real

[hearty pendant]

yea, can't avoid eleanor's
but the rest can be avoided
not sure about the triad they might also be unavoidable

[solid otter]

Thats still pretty bad 😭

[undone lodge]

“We know not everyone will want to have this literal 1 minute conversation, so we’ll let them skip one of the most arguably important features of a dating system that lets you date multiple partners”

[hearty pendant]

yeah, so..

[prime magnet]

rampant sexual intercourse

all slide, zero friction

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

Kalymos is telling on the drifter.

[uncut solar]

Wow what's kinda weird

(I have not romanced anyone)

[solid otter]

You reckon? That's really weird

[prime magnet]

kalymos boutta snitch

[uncut solar]

Kalymos monitoring the chat:

[solid otter]

Coming from a poly person, this is literally dogshit

Did they like

Actually ask any person of that group how it works

[undone lodge]

I think they’re also unavoidable because IIRC all 3 just, clock on since the intention is that you were already in the relationships pre-Triad

[hearty pendant]

i need that stupid homophobic "i know what you are" dog redrawn as kalymos telling on the drifter now

[solid otter]

Ight

Reckon we could get it as a sticker here

[prime magnet]

i can actually see it, goddamnit

[solid otter]

WAIT THERES A

There's a kalymos png w just her head that looks like this and I cant find it and it would work perfectly

Ignore the meme

[undone lodge]

Is ambien a drug

[solid otter]

Shit maybe

[hearty pendant]

looks like you can just hit the [End.] option for them, too

[uncut solar]

It's an insomnia drug

[hearty pendant]

lmfao that's so rude why can you do that to him

[undone lodge]

😭

Doesn’t even tell you it’s the consent convo

WAIT HE CALLS YOU HIS MIRACLE

[solid otter]

HE CALLS US HIS MIRACLE????????

THATS SO SWEET????

[undone lodge]

awww

[solid otter]

Actually thats so inline w his date scene

Hes like. Tweaking out and we calm him down and kiss his forehead

[worn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/lyon-allard-father-lyon-lyon-lyon-warframe-warframe-gif-17462169518417453446

[hearty pendant]

wait roathe is the only one that you initiate that conversation with
out of the triad

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/father-lyon-warframe-dancing-gif-17520200093550940575

[solid otter]

Yeah bcs he absolutely could beat our asses

[solid otter]

Don't hurt em now Lyon

[prime magnet]

the consent convo alone makes me love eleanor more

and also gives me a tiny bit of second hand embarassment lmao

[undone lodge]

Imagining Roathe bringing it up in Descendia

[prime magnet]

but what's more important is

[REDACTED]

[hearty pendant]

roathe bringing up relationship status in descendia would be so funny actually hold on

[solid otter]

Would be peak

[uncut solar]

I think it's taken form here

[solid otter]

Delicious thank youp

There's another specific one i cant find

[undone lodge]

Roathe already knowing about the second partner and pretending he’s only figuring out because of refractory mind stuff as you progress towards his fight

Drifter:

https://tenor.com/view/belle-zenless-zone-zero-shaking-twin-drinking-gif-4094080425976414897

[prime magnet]

i've done it

[hearty pendant]

wonderful

[uncut solar]

perfect

[night zephyr]

The video, it popped up for me, I have not gotten prompted to confess feelings nor am I at close with any of them yet

[prime magnet]

i'm currently in dating phase with marie

[night zephyr]

nice

[prime magnet]

still rank 5, need more chemistry to rank 6

[plush thicket]

in the cathedral the trio their dialogues keep overlapping and making new dialogues

[still swan]

||i wonder if we gonna meet Lua and Sol in future becose it is teesed like tau was, we see them in holvania mall and Lion and Marie worhiping them and mentiong them||

[void roost]

Yeah he's actually a sweetheart

[solid otter]

... the sun and the moon

Lua and Sol are the moon and the sun

[analog moat]

What does this even mean

[solid otter]

We've met both. Quite personally too

[shadow parrot]

so yesterday i became a Kaithe and not realize that my friend also become Nautilus

[solid otter]

Roathe is now aware of the man in the wall.

[oblique crow]

Gang, I think I will reset convos with trio ✌️. I lost everything. Today everyone who made right choices were able to romance one of trio…and I…well…yeah?

[worn fjord]

Wait wait what happened

Who were you romancing

[hearty pendant]

there's not only one chance to do so
unless you majorly messed it up

[worn fjord]

This 👆

[oblique crow]

Marie. I was supporting her with Entrati thing and then when romance button popped I clicked and well…she called me a liar. Today I had another option to try romance her and well as one fellow Tenno said to me today it was a build in trap.

I’m cooked

[worn fjord]

Oh that..yea. During serious convos, you’re not supposed to confess to them. At least that’s my rule when playing and my general understanding of KIM

[oblique crow]

I was judging it by the golden rule: If there is a button then press it

I did it twice ✌️

[worn fjord]

In this scenario, as you said, she thinks you lied about everything you said about Entrati just because you wanted to be in a relationship with her

Or something along those lines

[undone lodge]

If it’s the one I’m thinking of, it’s because you contradicted your opinion of Albrecht established in the Triad convos, and that option has you reveal that you weren’t being genuine about it and just said it because you wanted her to like you more

[worn fjord]

Let me check the Boolean for you tho, there might be a second chance for you

Maybe

[worn fjord]

Do you remember the convo number so I can check the boolean

[undone lodge]

It’s DrifterMarieWhoops

[oblique crow]

Hmm 🧐. It might be actually true but I can’t recall for sure if I said to Roathe that Etrati is bad

I will have new convos available like in half an hour maybe. So I would know for sure if I’m cooked

[worn fjord]

Yea..so bad news is the Boolean after the confession “DrifterMarieWhoops” is followed by “MarieNoDate is now true”

[oblique crow]

😭 ✌️

[worn fjord]

If you want to reset, sure. But also keep in mind that Roathe will know if you do

If you care about that story wise lol

[oblique crow]

About the reset. How even I do it?

Is there any button?

[worn fjord]

The end of each month

So it’s coming up

Instead of resetting everything, you can choose to only reset the Triad

[hearty pendant]

reset got changed, its just the digital grimoire at the bottom of the POM-2 screen now
cooldown of 28 days

[worn fjord]

Granted there aren’t any bugs to deal with

[worn fjord]

Ohhhh

I didn’t know that

[oblique crow]

Well. If I’m cooked then only time travel can save me

[hearty pendant]

yea, it goes beneath peope's notice a lot
i mostly know because of the whole 1899 leak right before the update released

[abstract sorrel]

Okay so I redeemed Roathe but now I triggered a Lyon no date condition

Because I now have to tell him I don’t have feelings for him

🥀

[worn fjord]

What omg

[abstract sorrel]

🥀

[worn fjord]

That’s… hmm I hope my drifter can redeem Roathe and date Lyon

[abstract sorrel]

I could date Lyon but I want to date Roathe

[worn fjord]

Ohh then that’s good for you lol

[oblique crow]

Well. The most sad part is that I just threw 2 weeks of convos because of 1 chat option

[tight pagoda]

Just learnt how Lyon lost his eye. Absolutely terrifying.

[reef compass]

I didnt wow, maybe I have mixed up chats or i dont have the see all chats option

cause today I already got messages for Roathe ||to coordinate with the others about Loid|| and Lyon's ||confirmation||

in fact Marie bugged for me

I always talk to her first and the message got stuck

[merry hatch]

lol RIP

[reef compass]

then after talking with Roathe it "unjumbled" and basically told me how she is ||more agreeable with Roathe now||

I know KIM isnt free of bugs but that was scary xd

[merry hatch]

Roathe immediately catches on you've wiped his memories.

[pure merlin]

It is in fact possible to ask Roathe out through chat, just not at the Cathédrale

[reef compass]

I suppose tomorrow ||I might get that Marie confirmation|| with her

[reef compass]

that was a little bit too on the nose for him to not do so, but nice detail

[tight pagoda]

I don't have the see all chats option, so it might just be in a random order. But it's also got a trigger warning.

[night zephyr]

Interesting, looks like you and the person earlier have been successful here (though yours is villain route roathe instead?)

[reef compass]

idk "villain" but for me Roathe ||aknowledges what he is|| so I find that quite good enough

[night zephyr]

I recall there being confessions at the "trusted" stage and "close" stage but it seems like only close chat confession has you start to date him

[pure merlin]

I have no idea honestly, I went through the redeemed route but got one chat from the villain route, for some reasons, and confessed to him 3 times in total I think
I succeeded anyway into having everyone like Roathe and being up to reunite Loid, so I'm not sure if he's redeemed or not, he's happy with himself rn anyway

[tight pagoda]

NGL it is weird that almost every single chat with these guys has an "End" option right at the start

[analog moat]

I reset and got this does anyone know what to pick ? The kim Dosent have it

[night zephyr]

Huh, that's interesting. Guess even if you confess earlier it doesn't trigger anything till the close stage, that's when it actually worked right?

[reef compass]

that definitely doesnt seem like a great time XD

[analog moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[tight pagoda]

Third one he finds amusing and you'll date, but at a cost

[analog moat]

Does it mess up the redemption route ?

[reef compass]

"at a cost" lol

i already find amusing myself he decides to do so

[night zephyr]

Also I would not say his "villain" route, from what I've seen, is that bad. At least, compared to not going through the full memories at all and leaving him in purgatory anyways

[pure merlin]

Well I confessed to him once in close stage and it didn't change much until today when I did it again. I'm gonna guess it was either going to be asking him out at the Cathédrale when he's up for it, but we know that's bugged, or waiting for that "consent" conversation where you can confess again. So again, I guess confessing earlier would just let you ask him out in the Sanctum, but rn it doesn't do anything yeah

[analog moat]

I don’t wanna screw up so I am like uhhhhh what do I pick?? LMAO I reset to get his redemption

[night zephyr]

When you say you did it again do you mean there's two close chats which allow you to confess feelings?

And yeah the sanctum asking out is bugged and is on the priority list of fixes

Marie and Lyon seem to be fine in that regard

[reef compass]

Reb messed the option up with her custom video /j

[pure merlin]

Honestly not really, it seems like he's just accepting of who he is and what he has done but is alright to better himself, if the villain route is what I got. Either again it was bugged or I messed up and didn't understand the thermostat system, but I'm probably not gonna reset

[pseudo turtle]

you can still get redemption even with ||RoatheDatingDeal|| so you can pick the last if you'd like

[analog moat]

Thank you so much , you deserve forehead kisses

[pure merlin]

Pretty sure so yeah

[pseudo turtle]

with both Roathe's endings I wouldnt say either is bad, maybe Redeemed is healthier but its still development ina way

[night zephyr]

I think it's villain because the text at the top is different than the person who got redeemed roathe

[rugged quest]

i have a feeling this is not good

[night zephyr]

Just a visual bug the no notes thing

[pseudo turtle]

you need to have the 1st 2 close convos for notes to appear

[night zephyr]

Oh is that it?

[pseudo turtle]

its not really a visual bug just an oversight that theres nothing to load

[pure merlin]

Oh well, if it's confirmed the routes are not bugged, I'm satisfied with how it ended up

[night zephyr]

Ohh ok

[pseudo turtle]

yeah

[night zephyr]

Yea it's not bad at all

[rugged quest]

well she did kind of end the last convo with "we're finished" soo...

[night zephyr]

You still ended up with him, so, lol

[night zephyr]

Oh no

[analog moat]

Other user on the left and mine right before reset

Redemption and villain Arcs

[night zephyr]

Yeah that's the texts I was referring to it is slightly different

He's mostly the same Roathe I think

[rugged quest]

it had no notes yesterday as well, and it still says close so im not sure what will happen with the next convo

and i wont be able to play until like january 3rd

[analog moat]

Another user who had similar is getting very redemption like texts which is strange but nice maybe their thermostat count was higher ?

[night zephyr]

Probably

Like other people said since all 3 mattered maybe they just hit all the positive counts with the other two plus roathe

[pure merlin]

Do his lines at the Cathédrale change based on if you're dating redeemed Roathe ?

[night zephyr]

Hmm I wouldn't be too freaked out about it, just see how it progresses. Other people had the no notes problem but their chats were progressing as normal

[analog moat]

Do not know but I seen one on TikTok of someone dating and he || asks if you wanted to sit on his lap || or something along that line

[pure merlin]

Damn lmao

He sounds sadistic af for me rn

[analog moat]

I was like yeahhhh you’re so lucky I am going through all this trouble for you

[analog moat]

Just my type but I couldn’t shake feeling bad not getting his redemption

The TikTok

[night zephyr]

I still get surprised at how forward some of those protoframe voice lines are

[analog moat]

I love it 😭 gives bg3 and I just blush the whole time

[analog moat]

I am going feral

[pure merlin]

Lmao

[analog moat]

You know it’s lowkey giving astarion

[pure merlin]

Kinda yeah

Ascended Astarion vibes

[analog moat]

Exactly!

[pure merlin]

Crazy shit to say aswell

Had me curious if the redeemed Roathe was "nicer" lol

[analog moat]

LAWD

[night zephyr]

freaky

[pure merlin]

Yeah I just got an even worse line

[analog moat]

What he say ?

[pure merlin]

Crazy stuff

[night zephyr]

spill it

[night zephyr]

I see

I wonder if dating him or the others affects their lines in Descendia

Like when you go to the respective checkpoint rooms

And kill Roathe

[analog moat]

OOP

[pure merlin]

I'm gonna do a run real quick and see
It doesn't seem to affect the protoframe skin like it does with the Hex tho

[analog moat]

This is what I was wondering

Also chat I need help again , y’all gonna see me struggling 😩

[supple dagger]

idk if this should go here but does anyone know if they fixed the tauron arts? they're supposed to charge passively and with kills so says the dev notes but that goes at a rate slow enough it would take 3 survival rotations for the time to charge it and kills did less than nothing last time I ran through things

[night zephyr]

we all struggle together

[analog moat]

I am on Marie’s and 3 seems interesting but I am sure it will cause -1 maybe choice 1 is better ?

[night zephyr]

The pop up keeps saying to insert lenses to make it charge faster, from what I know it's like 30 minutes normally

[supple dagger]

I get that orbs are a method but that is luck based and I've gone for 20 minutes survival missions without getting a single one

[supple dagger]

goodness XP

[night zephyr]

Which is wild for something that lasts between 5 and 30 seconds

[supple dagger]

hopping they fix that at some point. I love the arts but they really only work in the perita rebelion

[analog moat]

Also forgive me I don’t know if my spoiler thing went on it 🥲 it didn’t take I guess

[night zephyr]

1 or 3 seems fine

Saying you're interested probably just has her like "idk why but ok"

1 is what I would go with but you're trying to date him so do what you wanna

[analog moat]

She basically warns you he is cunning and apologizing because she thinks she is being unkind when you pick 3

[night zephyr]

Makes sense

[analog moat]

Okay we safe got red text from the two I picked

[night zephyr]

I mean I get it, there is something compelling about him, and I know he's not the literal devil but the devil is notoriously charming

Sweet talks you into coming to hell or whatever

[analog moat]

‘Bad’ guys usually are 😭 it’s what makes them so interesting

[analog moat]

Literally

[night zephyr]

It's fun because they're the total opposite of anyone I'd actually date IRL, but in a fantasy sometimes it is entertaining to go for that

Like "that person is so evil but they're so hot" and I might fold

I'm not normally too interested in dating sim stuff but sometimes they get me

[analog moat]

I am literally the same , I am super antisocial and awkward so if I got flirted with like that I was probably die on the spot

[night zephyr]

Usually it's the voice actor and good writing

[analog moat]

This !

One thing I am super sad about reset wise is I miss Lyon he was so sweet to talk too

[solid otter]

I just dont like people enough to ever really enter a relationship 💀

The triad are fine.

Lyon is so very sweet

[analog moat]

😭 they usually just see I am goth and be like o I want a goth girl and I cringe

[solid otter]

YES

[analog moat]

He is 🥹

[solid otter]

No bcs my sister is so used to it and I hate that she has to deal with it

[analog moat]

It gets too a point , you just roll your eyes

[solid otter]

"I want a goth girlfriend w bpd!!" Until she screams at you for looking at her wrong.

[night zephyr]

Superficial people are the worst

[analog moat]

My last ex was like this and he would purposely tell me went I sent him gifts on the game ‘ o my friend you don’t like who tried flirting with you sent it ‘

[night zephyr]

The reason a character will grab me is because they have dimensions lol it's not enough for them to just look hot at least past the "hear me out" level

[analog moat]

They are so relatable it makes my heart happy

[solid otter]

[analog moat]

This is why I love Thrawn from Star Wars and instantly locked into roathe. Lyon almost got me with his trusted chats

[tight pagoda]

Nitokh potentially being alive plot hook 👀

[solid otter]

See, i do like women, but i genuinely refuse to romance Marie bcs I know people are gonna "oh you romanced her bcs she's wisp" NO YOU SHIT EATING PUMPKIN I GENUINELY AGREE WITH HER ON SOME THINGS.

[analog moat]

I need to 1v1 her bad

[analog moat]

I love her but she isn’t my typeee

[solid otter]

Though that one chat where she says she's the only daughter that's forgiven entrati has fully turned me away from her

Id rather date mother ngl
-# and father too, vilcor is cool

[chilly pine]

how many of the executers do we know for sure are dead? just ballas and tuvul?

[solid otter]

Almost all of them

Well, like. 4?

[analog moat]

The son thoooo and honestly my first choice for the hex was Eleanor but I went with Arthur

[solid otter]

Karrish, Tuvul, Ballas and Avantus

[night zephyr]

My only exception to character has to be dimensional is if it's a strong hot lady that could kill me and I'm not ashamed to admit that. Well maybe a little

[worn fjord]

chat, Lyon finally knows (I skipped all the other times to do so coz it didn't feel right). This one was said at the start but the convo following this was.. a lot to take in ngl)

[solid otter]

Keeping it in the nightingale family i see

[analog moat]

[solid otter]

No bcs I did the exact same

[analog moat]

What can I say their parents made beautiful and charming people !

[solid otter]

Eleanor is so pretty

[analog moat]

I am curious how roathe and Arthur feel about each other once I get him romanced

[analog moat]

She is so nerdy too!

Especially her Halloween costume conversation

[worn fjord]

his responses were so cute 🥹

[solid otter]

I lowkey think that Eleanor is like. The only member of the hex who actually would be okay w you dating a triad member.

[analog moat]

Honestly yeah bec she is curious and understanding

Arthur is just shy and puts on a mask and I love that because I can relate 😭 I have bad anxiety and think I will always mess up

And with Lyon I can relate to his past experiences with family and his reasoning to hold people at a distance

Like everyone is so beautifully written

[solid otter]

They are written individually, really well.

The triad is a mess tho. And the consent convos.

[tight pagoda]

Quincy would be fine if it was casual (which it's not)

[solid otter]

Yeah I could see thst

[night zephyr]

This is why in BG3 (different game I know) in combination being written well and a lady that could kill me Lae'zel completely took me by surprise

[solid otter]

Bg3 is great.

[night zephyr]

My favorite Hex to text were quincy, aoi and amir

[tight pagoda]

BG3 romances were phenomenally well done, besides Wyll's rush job

Wyll was a completely different character to start with so he's lacking a bit in the final product

[solid otter]

Amir is a sweet boy, but he's personally not for me

[night zephyr]

I really love Eleanor though I think I click with her well, I just prefer her in person.. the voice you know..

[night zephyr]

Oh I don't mean romance I mean more like friends

[night zephyr]

I'm still mad about that given he has a pretty big connection to THE baldur gate through his dad. He's like john baldur

Total beast in my party first time I played too, eldritch blast with force movement was so busted , he deserved better 😞

I do not want to veer off topic though my b

[tight pagoda]

No this is a BG3 server now

[night zephyr]

I wonder if we'll see any outstanding orokin in tau, like a hermit who happened to survive allat

[eager dagger]

Ok so I think I have all of Roathe’s story now - someone tell me if I’m missing anything the body that gets turned in to a protoframe is one of his lieutenants that willingly gave him his body as Roathe was dying, Nitohk sabatoged the peace, Roathe’s plan was to end the Orokin empire and the question Entrati asks him about forgiveness is about could they ever forgive Roathe for ending the empire. Roathe willingly accepted Entrati’s offer to become a protoframes- am I missing anything?

[pseudo turtle]

I mean he once took the body of one of his lieutenants, we dont know if thats his current one

He could've needed another in the span of the war

[eager dagger]

He confirms that in the stories you get for replying the decennial boss battle

[weak cosmos]

When Roathe starts telling you to stop going to the descendia, it’s because you reached a daily cap?

[eager dagger]

I now have all 21 + stories

[night zephyr]

Bro let his other one cool down in the freezer

[night zephyr]

No it's because he's afraid of his final memories

[pseudo turtle]

I have all the stories too but where does it say that body is his current one?

[night zephyr]

Keep going till you reach 21

[eager dagger]

No - it’s to get you to go more it’s part of the story , your daily cap is when he stop sending you voice notes

[weak cosmos]

Oohhhh okay okay

[night zephyr]

I do not remember that being explicitly stated anywhere, I remember the body swap thing but not if current is his or not, though I assumed it might be the case

Might being the primary word

[weak cosmos]

If I continue doing the bossfight, does it count for the next day? Or I should wait

[eager dagger]

He mentions the face he sees in the mirror isn’t his then goes in to all the details of how he was dying and how Traivon offered him his body willingly they drank kuva as Roathe was dying and here he is

[night zephyr]

It counts

[pseudo turtle]

Maryna...

[pure merlin]

From the couple runs I've done, I haven't gotten new dialogues