spoiler-chat

[hexed terrace]

DE I will find you that was not funny

[heavy pilot]

I think so, it just wasn’t direct and we didn’t get a outright [Confess] esc prompt

[heavy pilot]

AYO

[hearty pendant]

what'd you say to her lol

[heavy pilot]

What are the vessels again?

[hexed terrace]

I offered to Void Lizzie to Flare

[hearty pendant]

ah yeah that'd do it
she doesn't like that idea very much, as you can see

[hexed terrace]

and the music goes out, and I get FNAF jumpscared LMAO

[heavy pilot]

I mean maybe she does like it

With the way she be talking

[solid otter]

Oh no she means she's gonna kill us

Like. Crush us in our own warframe.

[steep totem]

She means tighter as in boa constrictor strangulation, bud

[solid otter]

Brutally.

Your bones are gonna go through your skin.

[pseudo turtle]

the bite of 1999

[solid otter]

Its not a fun thing tbh

[heavy pilot]

Fair enough

[wild wind]

Albrecht's giant Warframes to fight Wally with

[solid otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[heavy pilot]

PFT

[hearty pendant]

welcome back albrorb

[heavy pilot]

That made me wheeze for a sec

I know what my YouTube pfp gunna be now

I had to

[thick cedar]

anyone know what this is referring to

[pseudo turtle]

Mineva and Velemir

[thick cedar]

ohhhh

I had that thought but I wasn't completely sure

its been a while since I did their story

[novel quartz]

I'm back to neutral with Roathe while close with Marie and Lyon, did I mess up his romance? I literally couldn't respond today and my status with him said Close and that I could date him but then it switched to neutral 😭

[echo basalt]

skill issue

[novel quartz]

Damn

[echo basalt]

look its not hard to figure out how to talk to each

[novel quartz]

I restarted my game, it's fixed ^^

[echo basalt]

ok so it was a bug

[novel quartz]

Correct

[hearty pendant]

||Boolean RoatheFailNot21 is now true.||

[novel quartz]

What does this mean...?

I'm genuinely so curious LOL /gen

[balmy badger]

Bug.

[rancid pilot]

I hit Marie with the || Roathe would be so proud|| and i don't know if that was the harsh words she needed to hear or i just messed up my relationship with her

[pseudo turtle]

means you cant talk to him anymore

you need to continue Descendia

[formal fable]

Need to whack him in descendia

[pseudo turtle]

otherwise you dont get convos

[hearty pendant]

that convo set that boolean to true
Fail (because) Not 21. you stopped when he asked, rather than finishing the job

[formal fable]

21 kills

[wild wind]

That's the ||one line that doesn't get you in more trouble||

[novel quartz]

Aurr okay thank you guys! So I have to go grind it

[formal fable]

Grind it he will say some dialogues

[novel quartz]

|| I was meaner and brought up her religion cause tf||

[formal fable]

Myslef marie disklike me but she say can remain friends

Lyon also i screw up

All of them are closed

[wild wind]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

[novel quartz]

Awww that's unfortunate

[formal fable]

Lyon told me about wine but i push him away

I told lyon oh i am not ready for this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749565841116364950/1454086204386705458/image.png?ex=6950778e&is=694f260e&hm=d4a2ab28827e00e8071b2355509af0a04d7fef99137a87b7263931a586f0baba&

My last convo with lyon but i think is bad idea

But how you guys do the tagfer fight ?

[rancid pilot]

i think it just happens during the rank 4 convos with Roathe

[formal fable]

Poh

I meant for marie

[rancid pilot]

well the fight gets mentioned on Roathe's end

[formal fable]

Marie got tagfer fight

[rancid pilot]

and than Marie brings it up

[formal fable]

Yeah

They i try confess feeling she say you using canterail to get into my good books so is gg

[rancid pilot]

if you had the roathe convo about the fight happening, then Marie should bring it up since it's a boolean

[rancid pilot]

i wonder how the game detects that, like do you need to pick consistent choices

[formal fable]

I think i gave lyon trauma about reil haha

He got say about reli

But i think thats bad option

[hearty pendant]

there's a few booleans tied to it
something like Monster1, Monster2, Fan1, Fan2, and Neutral

[formal fable]

But the roathe from close to neutral is kinda abit off

I think main goal is you need to make loid go up to the family side the mother thats what i am getting in the convos

And you need them to reunite with each other

[rancid pilot]

that's funny, cause my convo's with Marie and Roathe have never brought up the whole reconcilliation thing

[formal fable]

Have

Roathe got say about loid

And lyon saying he also learning how to serve tea with loid one of the convos

He calls loid the butler

[echo basalt]

bruh your an idiot

[obtuse gyro]

I know which region youre from

[obtuse gyro]

hm, what did you choose when roathe talked to you at the very start?

[rancid pilot]

mb, besides the very first conversation, he doesn't really talk about getting Loid to meet up with the fam

[wild wind]

They handled the explanation badly, I feel

The deal/no deal is the intro to the "Loid reunited with the family" concept, but it shouldn't be

Because that convo makes it seem like a Rothe Descendia thing when in fact you need to gather points from the other Triad members for it to happen, so it's not just a Roathe thing

[formal fable]

Yeah

But not sure wether you need certian standing for the convos

[wild wind]

The intro should be Loid talking about reuniting with the family, and then immediately backtracking because of Albrecht and his own ongoing work

[formal fable]

I dont know wether max rank give some stuff for family

[obtuse gyro]

given what Ive seen its not like that

if you haven't resolved the other two kim plots you will be directed to do so

[wild wind]

I know Marie can hand over a bunch of negative points against it if she trusts Albrecht too much

[formal fable]

Roathe abit hard to read

[wild wind]

They're trying to do one thing too many with his conversations, I feel

[formal fable]

Cause i tried asking him like how you fair with friends he say he will kill his friends

But need to do descendia for convos

[wild wind]

Because a bunch of times he has these long speeches about some facet of Orokin culture and you can either lecture him about self-forgiveness or continue the conversation

It's clumsier than it should be

[rancid pilot]

I think the loid reconcilliation would make more sense as a "you've helped us, let us help you" thing when you get to "close" with the devils triad members

[formal fable]

Roathe say how come never so desendia

[rancid pilot]

could you rephrase this? i'm not sure what you're trying to say

[wild wind]

I mean, there should be some kind of actual reward for it too as encouragement to go for it

I like Loid but also kind of agree that ignorance is safety for the Family

[formal fable]

Roathe ask you why never do descendia

[rancid pilot]

just a push to make you do it

[formal fable]

Yeah but i tell i kept dying

[wild wind]

Oh there's a counter behind the scenes

[formal fable]

So cant do

[wild wind]

He wants you to do 21 runs of Descendia

[rancid pilot]

Regular or SP?ccause regular counts the same

[wild wind]

Or at least 21 runs of his boss fight

[rancid pilot]

if you have trouble solo, do it with a pub squad

[formal fable]

Yeah i did the 21 kills but not sure he will unblock me

[abstract sorrel]

Roathe is the best

[wild wind]

If you're blocked you have a separate issue

[abstract sorrel]

Why do Orokin have so much drip

[obtuse gyro]

down by the SEA

[wild wind]

Huh hold up, for the Tauron Academy suit, is the shoulder pad on the left or right side

Right side, okay

[lean cedar]

It would be so, so, so much simpler to talk to Marie if I knew a lick of French other than insults and swears.

[rain otter]

ruiling royal class.

[frozen heart]

Roathe is still in Anathema phase and I have been non stop doing his boss fight for like an hour and a half now. I am pretty sure im at 21 or really close to it, yet he stopped counting. He also stopped sending me voice messages at like 16. Do I wait until daily reset to see if he's fine? He's gone thru the whole begging me to stop this, and then now I get voice lines of him asking if Duviri gets boring dying this much. Idk if this helps at all.

[rancid pilot]

there is a Honoria for having done 21 fights, check if you have that

[frozen heart]

I have it

I did it like 3 times after the honoria as well. He's still in Anathema

[hearty pendant]

prolly wait for reset then

[solid otter]

You know Anathema can be caused by chat options, yeah?

[frozen heart]

Oh? 😭

[solid otter]

It can be triggered by a few things? Like majorly pissing off Roathe iirc. Descendia might be apart of causing it?

[glad jay]

Why tho

[frozen heart]

I did as he wishes and didn’t deep dive into it. I also have the relationship status as “close” and the option of “I feel he will be in a relationship with me if I ask.”

[solid otter]

... and then you started doing descendia again? Iirc that's one of the causes, breaking that promise but I dont know for sure

Im still at trusted, cuz im doing the all kim chat options

[glad jay]

I didn't reach that with him and I got past the 21 decendia and got both honoria of beating em 21 times and listening to all his audios

Didn't reach that with him = Anathema

[hearty pendant]

breaking the promise will break the anathema, as far as i know

[glad jay]

Meaning moi can romance him (the option isn't there in person speech, at least it wasn't there yesterday but it shows in profile) and I have both decendia 21+

[solid otter]

Oh? Good to know.

[glad jay]

So he wants us to break it?

And will we be able to mend loid with entrati family or?

[frozen heart]

It says to break it, I also confirmed it in here yesterday and folks were telling me to 😭

[solid otter]

Not what I was saying, I mean at i think... 16? 18? Whenever he begs us to stop in that chat. It won't happen after 21

[solid otter]

This is me going off from memory, so I aint giga reliable 😭

[hearty pendant]

when you first meet him, he wants to recover all of his memories
when you get to the 18th run or so, he says 'nevermind! you can turn around now. i don't need to remember the rest'
he doesn't want to remember those last couple things, but he needs to

[solid otter]

Silly man.

Doesn't he know that your must face all of your trauma to actually heal?

[glad jay]

We gonna force feed the devil his own wrong doings

[frozen heart]

I'll wait for reset and see what happens. Thanks all!

[glad jay]

But ye, so now we gucci? I got the romance with marie today so maybe his and lyon will open soon?

[glad jay]

Also if anyone knows do share

[solid otter]

Each member of the triad will have a conversation agreeing to help you help loid

||also i finally learned if there was anything else after reunite them. Sad :(||

[abstract sorrel]

What if

The Tenno were actually low nobles

[formal fable]

I think i died while he was counting

But i killed him 21 times already didnt hear him say drifter stop yet

[glad jay]

So there's nothin?

[glad jay]

Elaborate

[abstract sorrel]

The Orokin worked on classes

So you had regular human

You had Grineer, Archmedians

[glad jay]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-bell-gif-27646997

[tight pagoda]

I think there's a chat with Quincy that implies they were basically living in slums before the Zariman

[abstract sorrel]

Huh)

[glad jay]

You can pick

Iirc

[abstract sorrel]

I’m pretty sure I said my parents were well off

[glad jay]

You can pick if they're poor or rich

[analog moat]

So you need rank five with entranti to get redemption arc ?

[glad jay]

Yup, so canon drifter/op could be anything depending on your choice from that convo

[hearty pendant]

there is an option for "My parents were rich. So. "Posh.""

[glad jay]

I mean, at this point it's natural? But I still dunno what's needed to get the gud end with em

Also do we still het kim messages after romancing?

[hearty pendant]

that still wouldn't really imply noble imo

[analog moat]

I looked through kim and looked at my chat before reset it almost seems like a required thing

[glad jay]

I mean

[tight pagoda]

Ah yeah my bad, variety of choices

[glad jay]

Moi already rank 5 with all syndicates save nokko

[analog moat]

So I will just grind the rank and then romance once he is fixed

[glad jay]

So moi thinks mi gucci

But ye, it's good to know they included some redemption and actually loid meeting with fam then, cuz I was worried it wasn't there yet

[abstract sorrel]

I picked the last one because it explains why my drifter/operator always wears clothes with gold accents

They still have a taste for luxury

[solid otter]

Mm. I won't say for sure. Could be missing something but mm.

[glad jay]

Dawg np we'll see for ourselves then no need to play "I don't want to spoiler" theme

Just glad there's something at least

[hearty pendant]

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if one of the next updates is the consequences of that

[glad jay]

Probably ye^

[cinder marten]

i should have picked the second option for the last bit where it says that evil must be defeated and love is the ultimate reward

[solid otter]

My delusional ass was right about the kimchat so I hope im right for the loid proto

I felt so schizo when trying to show it wouldn't be a group chat lol

[abstract sorrel]

I wonder though

Would the Tenno be considered rich

[solid otter]

Eh

[hearty pendant]

you made good arguments, it just seemed odd for loid to have a kimchat vs a groupchat for the new group, separate from the 1999 group
ofc that was before we knew DE would give us 2 convos for him

[next hatch]

Does anyone know what lyrics are being said when the Murmur are singing the Lullaby of the Manifold?

[solid otter]

DE better follow up and add more. If the next update comes and goes w out loid actually setting up that profile ill shrimply explode. Also did we ever find out why the name wasn't slightly visible like the other's was?

[abstract sorrel]

Why eh

[glad jay]

Yup, cuz basically he wants to be accepted to be evil but also worthy of love

[solid otter]

A lot of them weren't. The tenno as a whole couldn't be classified as just one thing.

[glad jay]

Not before MR 15

[cinder marten]

i have validated him in the end when the objective is to change the devil's perception on things lol

no wonder the response didn't glow even if roathe agreed

[glad jay]

Love is the ultimate answer, and to forgive is to be capable of it

Or somethin along the lines is what the theme is

[hearty pendant]

i don't think so
it was like. a pixel of the first letter that would've been shown, and it was missing anyway
i'd hope we get some more convos w/ him in the future, yea

[glad jay]

Tho one thing to be sure, DE doesn't love us, otherwise they'd gib us good ol entrati 1999 drip

[solid otter]

Also loid forgetting to introduce himself on the puter was so sweet to me

[hidden comet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/898681244324347974/1304093928609419304/lXqfs7d.gif

[solid otter]

"I should've... led with that."
LOID MY LOVE
-# in the platonic way yk

[hearty pendant]

dw there'd never be consequences in the game with a guy that sends you emails about how your actions have consequences

[abstract sorrel]

Do you think it just depends on the resources we have in game then?

[solid otter]

Breaking the news that there's an orokin too was funny. "Sorry drifters there's a BLUE MUCKER IN MY LABS" or something/j

Need to see Loid crash out more ngl

[abstract sorrel]

Loid has to respect Roathe

[solid otter]

No 💀

Hell no lmfao

Loid went out of his way to piss off the orokin, do you really think he'd suddenly change up cus there's one in his space?

[fierce kiln]

everything looted is stolen, real hustler grindset

[hearty pendant]

Loid doesn't seem like he was much for the hierarchy prior, certainly not now

[solid otter]

Roathe honestly should be worried.

Loid has killed before and will do so again

Im not even joking

He's "seen off" corpus, he's "beaten back" infested and won.

Seemingly none the worse for wear either

[abstract sorrel]

Albrecht saved Roathe for a reason

[solid otter]

You wanna know why?

Roathe is a stand in for Albrecht.

Albrecht also, didnt particularly care for the orokin.

Roathe is, at least imo, WORSE than Albrecht

Also, unfortunately, Albrecht didnt kidnap his ass.

Roathe accepted the serum.

"Shot at a new life", i think Roathe's words were.

[hearty pendant]

seemingly to get the answer of "can the orokin ever be forgiven?"
take a guy that's steeped in the orokin way of life, and take it all away from him. can he become a new person without that environment, or will he stay as is?

[hallow wharf]

Why does Albrecht have a human form now anyway?

[solid otter]

Orokin are human

[hallow wharf]

Isn't there an old art piece of him AS orokin?

[solid otter]

There was a theory that he went pale bcs of the void incident, but thats been disproven

[hallow wharf]

This

[abstract sorrel]

I’m sorry but Loid would be destroyed in a 1v1 with Roathe

Like this isn’t even a question

[solid otter]

If you look at this painting, you'll see void specific scarring around the eyes (where the void damaged the most)

[hearty pendant]

correct
the orokin get the blue skin through refacia tech (which we can access through focus redeems)
so he'd be able to 'go back' to a regular human appearance if he wanted to
and he probably wanted to blend in a bit with the 1999 people

[solid otter]

Ehh.

Humble nullifier + zylok prime + vitriol + thrown to the void

Also

Dont underestimate an angry butler.

[hallow wharf]

Oh neat! I didn't know that

[tropic venture]

yeah in the Whispers flashback he still has a blue tint to his skin when compared to Loid, but still not as much as Ballas or the other Entrati. Then in 1999 he's fully removed the blue

[hallow wharf]

What about that elongated arm that Orokin have?

[solid otter]

Roathe talks about not recognising Albrecht's face, but recognising his voice, which makes me think it was just refacia. Unless the orokin can change the voice of people 😭

[hallow wharf]

Does he just not have it or something

[solid otter]

Albrecht just never had it, chose not to

[hallow wharf]

Ah alright

[tropic venture]

All his statues have symmetrical arms

[solid otter]

He also was a skinny mf in those statues

When he very much wasn't in his portrait

[tropic venture]

Portrait might be a bit embellished considering regular humans were gonna see it

so they wanted to glorify the Void tech pioneer

[solid otter]

I mean, the same goes for the statues then?

I dont know why they'd change the weight he was 😭

[tropic venture]

the painter was Loid he wanted to hype his man up

[solid otter]

He also doesn't seem to fit in the same shirt, if the one in the portrait is the same as the one in 1999

[solid otter]

I fully believe he drew the requiem logs

Fits the style Loid has been shown to draw in

[rancid pilot]

Loid is such a rennaissance man

[solid otter]

He seems to have made the cavia/hex floofs too

[tropic venture]

I could see the Vitruvians in general being an Entrati invention

so Wally's vitruvian man look is also an in-universe mockery of Albrecht's tech documenting his encounter with Wally

[solid otter]

Also the cavia floofs have quotes from loid, talking to the cavia (except for Fibonacci) and im sad. Bird 3's makes me sad.

"Your family is here now, all in your nest" or something

[abstract sorrel]

Yes but at the end of the day Loid is still a regular human

Roathe is a protoframe, I give Loid a few hits before he gets cleaned up

[solid otter]

Ehhh

Nah. Loid would win ngl.

[tropic venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261865429291237528/1379138516167954533/LoidFlipWarframe.gif

[hearty pendant]

i feel like its pretty dependant on if this scenario is an ambush or a duel
duel? Loid. ambush? probably Roathe

[abstract sorrel]

Also I can’t speak for you but my drifter romanced Roathe and is not gonna let him be hurt

So she’d probably side against Loid ngl

So he better hope either Operator or Lotus comes

[tropic venture]

I do think Loid would lose either way, but I'm also quite certain he's capable of more than he lets on

[hearty pendant]

like double jumping who taught him that

[tropic venture]

although I guess him being truly just ordinary would be kinda poetic

[zenith jacinth]

loid helped us fight a fragmented one, he can handle an overconfident protoframe

[abstract sorrel]

Drifter isn’t letting her partner be killed

If Loid fights Roathe he’s fighting her too

[tropic venture]

Loid and Roathe should kiss actually

[rancid pilot]

drifter would have to pick between their gay uncle or partner/friend

[zenith jacinth]

that is an irrelevant variable

[hearty pendant]

if it was anyone else, i'd agree

[tropic venture]

idk I just wanna see the hot guys kissing

[hearty pendant]

fair, however-

[rancid pilot]

Lyon and Loid

[tropic venture]

https://tenor.com/view/yus-i-ts-getting-good-watching-popcorn-gif-15135433

[cinder marten]

the rizz master

eleanor did have a vision about a priest of lua

well there ya go

[rancid pilot]

Elanor is certified freak

[cinder marten]

freakazoid

[hearty pendant]

the priest of lua would be lyon, though

[zenith jacinth]

ok 1. she saw herself as a nun of lua in an alternate reality, 2. marie is a nun of sol

[cinder marten]

wah wah wah

[zenith jacinth]

how mature

[rancid pilot]

Yo, 2 women who are religious in a faith about the sun and moon, and serve the opposite diety?
sounds familiar

[hearty pendant]

incredibly so

[tropic venture]

https://tenor.com/view/malcom-in-the-middle-gif-812079018943521515

[zenith jacinth]

?

[abstract sorrel]

No it isn’t because she’s putting hands on Loid

[tropic venture]

Equinox

[abstract sorrel]

That whole sanctum will be turned to dust before Roathe is killed

Dark refractory with it

[hearty pendant]

ok 👍

[zenith jacinth]

"well my dri-" unimportant, we're talking generally, not in your specific game

[rancid pilot]

I was thinking of a different thing(not even warframe), but that works too

[cinder marten]

wisp got protoframed instead of equinox because she is more popular pure and simple explanation

[zenith jacinth]

partially agree

[cinder marten]

who even plays equinox

[zenith jacinth]

..I do

[cinder marten]

ppl don't even farm for them

[zenith jacinth]

I like equinox, really good frame actually

[rancid pilot]

I'm trying to think, how would equinox's day and night form translate over to a proto, is it just a visual change or also a psychological one

[cinder marten]

you know what would really sell

mesa protoframe

[tropic venture]

yeah, cause it's one of the single worst farms in the game, plus her Prime exists

[abstract sorrel]

I mean considering what Roathe is saying the time will come eventually where drifter is probably going to have to side against Loid if he’s continuing to be with Operator while they’re following the increasingly nonsensical Lotus

[zenith jacinth]

DID

[tropic venture]

and she's in Circuit too

[zenith jacinth]

no

[rancid pilot]

I was thinking DID for a Xaku proto, but i guess they both could

[zenith jacinth]

that's the most fun part about the farm, equinox isn't in circuit

[abstract sorrel]

Natah is clearly a few circuits short of a full motherboard

[tropic venture]

Xaku is moreso the single entity housed in the shell

[zenith jacinth]

...no

[abstract sorrel]

Yes

[hearty pendant]

tbh i feel like Xaku would be better for showing off the physically painful aspect of protoframe transformation

[zenith jacinth]

what's your reasoning

[tropic venture]

she's kinda more complete now than we've ever seen her

[cinder marten]

xaku protoframe where it's just three humans fused together

[tropic venture]

having effectively combined her three identities

[rancid pilot]

i guess Xaky could be more a physical fractured body, rather then mental

[abstract sorrel]

The fact that it’s now canon that she was standing at the age of a cliff holding an ancient pager mumbling to herself?

[hearty pendant]

-# why does everyone go for this it isn't necessary in the slightest

[abstract sorrel]

Normal people don’t do that 😭🥀

[solid otter]

... she's singing to the indifference

[zenith jacinth]

aaaah, so you're conveniently excluding why

[solid otter]

She's not being insane she's literally distracting the indifference

[zenith jacinth]

bloody marvelous

[abstract sorrel]

Bro? That’s even worse

[hearty pendant]

she hears the voidsong and drowns it out with her own voice

[abstract sorrel]

What is THAT going to do

[solid otter]

How?????

[tropic venture]

mfw the Lotus Eaters login theme is the Lotus singing to drown out the Murmur Voidtongue in the background

[solid otter]

... it quite literally works

[zenith jacinth]

prevent wally from just controlling void beings

[solid otter]

Its worked everytime

[cinder marten]

she goes aaaAAAAAaaaaAAAAaaaahhhh

[solid otter]

Are you being intentionally dense?

[tropic venture]

She's trying to drown out the Murmur to slow its progress

[solid otter]

Its working, working well.

[rancid pilot]

omfg, she's doing the murmur equivalent to blocking your ears and screaming "i can't hear you"

[abstract sorrel]

You know what would work better? If we actually fought the Indifference

[solid otter]

Wally is very easily distracted

[abstract sorrel]

Instead of letting it rampage across time and space

[solid otter]

HA

[zenith jacinth]

hey guess what we're doing, genius

[hearty pendant]

what do you think we're doing lmfao

[solid otter]

Oh my.

[cinder marten]

can't keep fighting something that is infinite

[rancid pilot]

we are, it's just y'know, the scale is kinda big to just be physically fighting 24/7

[solid otter]

What do you think isleweaver is?

[cinder marten]

so we kill it with love

[solid otter]

What did you think the end of whispers was?

[abstract sorrel]

Clearly not very well considering its been growing in strength ever since Rell died

[undone lodge]

The labs too

+Gargoyle’s Cry

[zenith jacinth]

well wally isn't infinite

[abstract sorrel]

Pretty shit job actually I’d say

[undone lodge]

Any suggestions on how to do better, then?

[solid otter]

.. it wasn't from rell dying that caused it

[abstract sorrel]

Hunt it down

And actually FIGHT it

[cinder marten]

infinite as in it now exists throughout all of time

and here's the part where you go ??? and say no

[lapis seal]

what, how

[zenith jacinth]

you don't comprehend the concept of actual battle do you

[solid otter]

It was actually from BALLAS doing the shit he did .

[tropic venture]

Isleweaver:

Sanctum assassination mission

[zenith jacinth]

that. is what. we're doing.

[solid otter]

You gonna tell us how? How you're so much smarter than the literal man who made it? You gonna go find his actually body and punch it?

[hearty pendant]

congrats ! you've missed the one thing that actually weakens it, that has been shown repeatedly.
what banishes wally from the sanctum at the end of whispers? what kicks him out of 1999?
it sure as hell wasn't shooting him

[solid otter]

Stealing this thank youp

[tropic venture]

baum

[zenith jacinth]

serious twitter payer brain

[solid otter]

HA

[cinder marten]

the same way how the infested hivemind exists, we can't really kill it

the indifference and the infested are connected you see

[tropic venture]

same person who argued the Orokin empire should have stayed btw

[cinder marten]

i believe that they are both a living consciousness derived from the void, conceptually embodied if you will 🤓

[abstract sorrel]

Nah keep singing at it, see how that works. See how singing at an entity you can’t negotiate with, leading an army that doesn’t leave corpses behind on the battlefield works.

Go on and do that

[zenith jacinth]

you are being intentionally dense

[lapis seal]

surprisingly high tier bait

[tropic venture]

The singing is to slow it down, not to actually stop it. She and everyone else knows that won't work

[solid otter]

it works

[tropic venture]

She's doing her best to buy us some time

[cinder marten]

so maybe yes the infestation is manmade but not in the way we expected after all

[solid otter]

Hm wonder why. Not like wally is literally interested in unique things. The lotus is pretty damn unique

Thats why he latched onto Rell, The cavia, us

[zenith jacinth]

so far it's strongly hinted that it's not

[tropic venture]

And he has been shown to have some interest for her

[cinder marten]

to give a very dumb looking example, just compare the murmur units to the infested units

it's dumb i know

[zenith jacinth]

one is approximations of limbs, the other is organic masses vaguely capable of movement

[tropic venture]

Murmur are the Indifference mimicking human anatomy, Infested are human anatomy being twisted to a vicious mockery

[abstract sorrel]

Cry?

[solid otter]

Mm.

[zenith jacinth]

you? seems like it

[cinder marten]

not just the physical aspect but in how they operate in a sense

[zenith jacinth]

ok. one attacks anything made to oppose its creator/main body, the other tries to consume everything

[solid otter]

Tell me. Would you let the people who abused the Dax that was Dagath originally live bcs "it was better for the whole system"?

[zenith jacinth]

(which it wasn't)

[solid otter]

I dont mean emotional or physical abuse either. Although that did happen to her as well.

[cinder marten]

but the murmur is there to help the indifference to infect the timeline yes?

[solid otter]

Just a reminder.

She couldn't consent. She. As a dax, couldn't tell an orokin no.

[cinder marten]

to infect, to consume, to permeate

[zenith jacinth]

it mainly exists to hold down strands of khra for wally to travel along

[cinder marten]

like how the infested hivemind, the consciousness, spreads itself

[zenith jacinth]

not really

[cinder marten]

not really but it is similar no?

[zenith jacinth]

wally wants to turn things to nothings, infestation wants to make everything part of itself

[solid otter]

I cant even say im too sober for this ngl im drunk as shit 😭

[cinder marten]

i'm not saying that they're exactly the same

[abstract sorrel]

Trick question. If I say yes, then I look terrible, if I say no, then you’ll say all Orokin were like that and thus they needed to go.

[zenith jacinth]

not to mention infested are literally afraid of the void

[cinder marten]

two sides of a coin if you will

[solid otter]

The infestation is simultaneously the same but the direct opposite

[zenith jacinth]

because that is the case

[abstract sorrel]

Also WHY did this randomly go back to Orokin

[hearty pendant]

tbh, dunno. they weren't relevant

[solid otter]

Yeah. So.

What's your answer? Because clearly, according to you, the pain the orokin caused was worth the frankly mediocre art they made.

[abstract sorrel]

You can’t bait me

[zenith jacinth]

we have two exceptions for the orokin being horrible so far, and both still suck

[solid otter]

Yeah the entrati family still suck

Again, Mother abused Father.

Its as simple as that.

[zenith jacinth]

bait you into actually thinking with the above instead of below? yeah, I noticed

[solid otter]

She stabbed her husband. Guess what that is! Oh no! Domestic violence!

[abstract sorrel]

I’ve already thought

And I made my decision

[cinder marten]

the moment that the indifference as a concept came into being from the void it has now existed throughout all of time because of eternalism

who's to say that the infestation isn't the same?

but that's just a theory, a game theory

[abstract sorrel]

I even said many Orokin were bad, but again, it is wha fit is

[abstract sorrel]

Infestation was invented in the 1990s iirc

[solid otter]

Okay but

Would you allow them to live, even if you know that what happened to Dagath's dax has probably happened to others?

[hearty pendant]

that's its earliest known appearance, but the origins remain unknown
the scaldra were messing with an existing thing to make the on-lyne clones

[abstract sorrel]

I don’t believe in destroying an entire people

[cinder marten]

that's true but we have to remember that the hivemind itself is a living consciousness just like the indifference

it's not just some icky zombie virus

[solid otter]

they're literally just a caste with stolen culture.

[solid otter]

They're not some small discrimated against group.

I wouldn't call them fascists, no, but they certainly remind me of the quote "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

Uncomfortably so.

-# btw animal farm is actual peak

[cinder marten]

society regressing into previous societal structures even after the emergence of new technologies how delightful

[abstract sorrel]

How it feels after saying anything positive towards the Orokin (I’ve been jumped)

[solid otter]

Bcs there's nothing positive about the orokin that isn't outweighed by their horrible actions!

[undone lodge]

Do you believe in the continual oppression and mistreatment of nearly all those under a ruling caste?

Because that’s the other option. There’s either not rebelling and allowing them to continue, or taking the one opportunity that was going to come around to remove them from power before they can build back up to their previous defences

[cinder marten]

the orokin were an extremely passionate people

[solid otter]

Oh they shat out pretty art that was probably stolen. How wonderful.

A lot of their "culture" was stolen.

[zenith jacinth]

I believe in destroying an objectively terrible regime and class of society

individuals do not redeem the class

[undone lodge]

You advocate for keeping them around and trying to redeem them, while completely neglecting the consequences this would have for those who would stay underneath them

[solid otter]

Noone likes an orokin apologist

[tall seal]

I feel like Im watching an election debate lmao this is interesting

[solid otter]

Remember, if there's multiple people of all different backgrounds that says "hey maybe you shouldn't do this" maybe you're the issue.

[cinder marten]

all empires bad

[undone lodge]

According to you not only should their own victims be responsible for managing them, but they should allow countless others to continue suffering while they feel out for all of the “good ones”

[abstract sorrel]

And this is the world you prefer? The one we have now after the Collapse? This?

Grineer and Corpus? Infested? This horror?

[cinder marten]

it's all the same throughout our history, the technology just amplified the capacity for suffering

[abstract sorrel]

At this point just have another series of Radiation wars

Start from the ground up atp

[solid otter]

Let's show you how it affects everyone and not just the ruling caste.

Say, you're an orokin. You get good food, infinite life, great healthcare.

Say, im a parent in the time of the orokin empire.

I now need to worry if my kid will be stolen and worn as a flesh suit, kidnapped and forced into slavery, I need to worry about feeding them, appeasing the "golden lords" lest i be murdered and my kids stolen and or killed as well.

[undone lodge]

And that is the world you prefer? The one they had before the Collapse? That?

Torturers and slavers? Still Corpus and Infested? No small chance of rising up and successfully standing for yourself?

[solid otter]

But sure. The suffering of multiple people is okay as long as you get nice food and good clothes.

[cinder marten]

nothing really changed after the empire fell, life is still crap for the common man lol

[tall seal]

Or turned into a Warframe if they're feeling particularly creative that day

[solid otter]

Or glassed and changed forever

[zenith jacinth]

or turned into a halloween costume

[cinder marten]

except now you have different rulers to bow down to

[solid otter]

But surely the orokin experience this too!

They don't.

The orokin fundamentally do not experience it.

[tall seal]

And if Roathe is to be trusted, Ballas isn't even close to being the worst of them lmfao

[zenith jacinth]

rebellions actually have a chance to succeed now

[solid otter]

The one orokin that was protoframed did it on his own choice.

[tall seal]

I don't see any outcome where killing them DOESN'T immediately and tangibly make the world better

[cinder marten]

so they can take over and live happily ever after yes

it's all just an endless cycle of violence

[solid otter]

Typically thats what happens after some form of regime.

[cinder marten]

it's all over, billions must die

[solid otter]

Very rare for it to actually escape that cycle.

[zenith jacinth]

liberate, not take over

[solid otter]

Again. Your beloved orokin are responsible for this. Not the tenno's rebellion.

[cinder marten]

liberate and then what

[zenith jacinth]

be free?

[undone lodge]

With the Corpus and Grineer, there’s still hope that one day, things can change.

Tenno prevent either side from capitalising too much on advantages. The Perrin strive for equal prosperity. There’s rebellion groups like Steel Meridian or Red Veil that can fight for the people and actually maintain themselves. The Corpus have laws of war, meagre as they are, and independent colonies can actually exist

[solid otter]

Unless you continually forget that the grineer are lead by an orokin?

[tall seal]

Granted this may just be me being biased since the Tenno are pretty much the defacto good guys but I do think there is a critical difference between being violent for good things versus being violent for bad things

[cinder marten]

then some other ahole will just come along and take power

[abstract sorrel]

And what we have now is barely any better. Everything is coming to an end, we just don’t see it because we’re trying to deal with cosmic horrors breaking into reality. But mankind is weak and vulnerable and it is hurdling towards its destruction and no one is willing to do anything about it.

I can see it, you can see it, anyone with eyes can see. So what, we just back and wait for it?

[zenith jacinth]

the free will prevent it

[solid otter]

I mean children aren't being kidnapped now

[abstract sorrel]

I understand what the Night intended to do, but we made a broken humanity, and the only way to go forward is to go back.

[cinder marten]

what if the free decided to conquer others instead

[zenith jacinth]

they will be rebelled against

[cerulean kiln]

Queens looked at the Ostrons and went

Not worth it

[cinder marten]

so now the new rebels have to be freed

[solid otter]

Which arguably was a genocide of sorts. Targeting specific colonies of people based on the physical metrics and possibly eradicating countless cultural lines

[zenith jacinth]

a true utopia can't exist

[undone lodge]

What defences do you think the Orokin had against a threat that didn’t exist to them, exactly

[zenith jacinth]

when things rot, they must be removed, not left to fester

[cinder marten]

and now it's the new subjugator's turn to be dehumanized

[rancid pilot]

ok, on this topic, i have a headcanon that by eating the meat of the Unum, the Ostrons become connected to the Unum like the animals in the Plains and thus can't be used for cotinuity

[zenith jacinth]

not dehumanized. humans are imperfect

[undone lodge]

Oh no, humanity has 2 major empires that can’t stand up against the eldritch horror instead of One. What a shame

Of course, this is completely neglecting the fact that from what we’re shown so far, no empire could do shit not matter what. The Indifference’s weakness is not bullets or antimatter bombs or some exotic form of radiation

[cinder marten]

it's just a cycle of violence on who gets to eat at the end of the day

only compassion that mitigate this cycle that permeates in nature

[zenith jacinth]

a cycle of violence exists because that's a prerequisite in an imperfect world

[cinder marten]

it exists because it's a part of nature itself

[zenith jacinth]

I don't like how philosophical I'm getting

[solid otter]

Life is a brutal and bloody fight to the end. Its the nature of the world. Without it, you get like the orokin.

[zenith jacinth]

a part, but not the default

[undone lodge]

Sure we can fight it’s minions off, but we’re never gonna be able to just, launch some nuke into the Void and be done with it

[zenith jacinth]

the default is kindness

[solid otter]

Xata nuke the indifference w my collection of Loid n Albrecht fanart

[cinder marten]

true, nature can be violent or prosperous

[solid otter]

There's a lot there

[abstract sorrel]

I do admit this: the things the Tenno did was a “now or never situation” but what we should’ve done on the Night of the Naga Drums is kill the Emperors and Executors, kill the Yuvan Clerisy (the ones who allowed for Continuity and perfected it on Yuvarium, the Circulus, and the numerous Yuvan theatres, but instead of leaving humanity to rot, the Tenno seize control of the Empire

[solid otter]

That's historically a bad idea

[undone lodge]

There’s one small issue with that

The gene locks

[solid otter]

Yeah that too

[undone lodge]

Orokin infrastructure, even the soldiery, was genetically locked

[cinder marten]

the tenno were controlled by a third party, we were weapons that were used to enact a coup till things did not go as planned

[solid otter]

Also yeah

[cinder marten]

the tenno were just children

[solid otter]

The tenno rebellion was planned by an orokin too lol

[cinder marten]

just children lol

[solid otter]

Well. The night was.

[undone lodge]

The remaining Orokin, who’d all be quite dissatisfied with that turn of events, and probably scared for their lives, would be left with the controls for all of this

[cinder marten]

children are easily manipulated

[solid otter]

Mhm.

That's why they're so easily hurt.

[cinder marten]

they were already hurt, not all tenno came out of the zariman alright

[abstract sorrel]

Force them to disengage the gene locks

[solid otter]

Also.

Knowing that Albrecht's tendency to put his lover's skulls on technology inspired by him, reckon bonewidow has Euleria's skull?

[solid otter]

Not how it works.

[undone lodge]

Loved ones*

Using the word lovers and then suggesting Euleria could make people have… unfortunate assumptions

[solid otter]

SHIT

I meant like. Father putting Euleria's copied skull on bonewidow 😭

Vilcor trying to court her or something like that

[abstract sorrel]

Whatever our intentions were, humanity suffered greatly and still suffers

It traded the Orokin for Grineer and Corpus

something has to give

This affair can’t continue indefinitely

Should vengeance against the Orokin arm again the factions of chaos to plague us all?

Corpus and Grineer do not bring order they bring disorder

They do not bring strength nor unity they bring weakness and division

[cinder marten]

the corpus brought the index

[abstract sorrel]

Gambling your life to make money?

Really?

🗿

[cinder marten]

gambling hell yeah things are not so bad after all

[solid otter]

Its not even gambling tbh

Its literally just a sport. Just be good at the sport.

[abstract sorrel]

I’ve made tens of millions of credits off Index, that does not mean I like it as a concept

Such things aren’t beneficial to the health of humanity

[undone lodge]

The Orokin also brought the same kind of internal disorder as what goes on in the Corpus, as Roathe notes

[abstract sorrel]

We need a new faction that actually wants to save humanity

That arent a bunch of void touched children or their friends

Something outside of the Tenno

A Federation of Mankind, if you will

[undone lodge]

We do
Unfortunately, there isn’t really room for one that could stand on it’s own two feet rn on account of the whole “system dominated by two empires” issue

[abstract sorrel]

Maybe we could help weaken the corpus and Grineer enough to allow such. That way, if they do rise, then the Tenno don’t have to take on the burden of leadership, but just serve separately from but allied to them

Kinda like how the Jedi Order was loyal to the Galactic Republic

[cinder marten]

in warframe, the jedi order, order 66'd the republic

[tall seal]

This famously ended very well for all involved

[abstract sorrel]

It worked for literally 25,000 years

🗿

And if you count legends, Palpatine only lasted 24 years

Before both the republic and the order were restored

[cinder marten]

the orokin empire had no enemies

[cerulean kiln]

Corpus

[cinder marten]

no outside alien threat until the sentients which were their own creation

[abstract sorrel]

Corpus could’ve been stomped let’s be honest

The Seven just couldn’t be asked

[cinder marten]

i believe that the corpus managed the economy and the flow of commerce under the empire

[abstract sorrel]

Ballas was already turning on them

[cinder marten]

it's why hunhow calls alad v orokin kek

[cerulean kiln]

Orokin were only fine with the Corpus at the start then they became an issue

Which the Orokin then tried to kill Parvos which failed

[zenith jacinth]

racism

to hunhow everyone is an orokin

[cinder marten]

an assumption

is there proof that the corpus were separate from the empire during its era

we have corrupted corpus along grineer lol

with prime corpus weapons like the orokin grineer have their primed weapons

[cerulean kiln]

There’s no Prime Corpus weapons

[undone lodge]

Not seperate but they weren’t like, part of the actual Orokin social heirarchy/government body

[cinder marten]

oh what are they using then

[cerulean kiln]

Whatever they made that wasn’t Prime

[cinder marten]

so which is it? if they're not a part of it then they're separate no?

i believe that they were part of the "government body" as economists and merchants

[cerulean kiln]

Only Grineer Commanders and Tenno and got Prime weapons during Orokin era

[cinder marten]

so all the grineer footsoldiers that had gotva primes were all commanders?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[cinder marten]

times must be desperate for everyone to be given the rank of commander lol

[cerulean kiln]

“Long before clone-rot set in, elite Grineer Commanders protected the surviving Orokin from rebelling Warframes with these formidable rifles. When Gotva Prime inflicts a Status Effect its next shot has a chance to be a Super Critical hit.”

[cinder marten]

mate it just says that it's a general purpose grineer weapon that the commanders also used

[cerulean kiln]

Elite got the Prime version

[cinder marten]

it doesn't say that it was exclusive to commanders only

[cerulean kiln]

Commander got Prime

Regular got the base version

[cinder marten]

are you sure? it's doesn't show that in the content we can now play

[glad jay]

Is the Eleanor one after or before you began dating marie? I recall she had a vision of another version of herself, of a nun

[cinder marten]

after dating the convo pops up

[cerulean kiln]

The Description says elite Grineer. commanders got Prime

Regular version is shown in Awakening

[cinder marten]

elite grineer commanders. one sentence not separate

[cerulean kiln]

Yes that’s literally saying who got it

[cinder marten]

it just says that commanders also used it but is not limited to commanders only lol

[solid otter]

You know this chat makes me wonder how Nemesis is sane

[glad jay]

Also salute to krios for being a domga fan

[glad jay]

Fax

[cerulean kiln]

Where does it say regular units also used them then?

[glad jay]

Prime variant no?

[cerulean kiln]

Regular units are only shown using non Prime

[glad jay]

Moi still didn't build her normal one but had her prime pretty early on

[cinder marten]

regular units in our time but not in the old war lol

all of them has gotva primes

[cerulean kiln]

No they didn’t

Awakening literally shows you this

[cinder marten]

that's like saying every soldier that had the 1911 were all commanders

[cinder marten]

so all of the grineer in the old peace are all commanders then

[solid otter]

Those grineer, the ones we fight? They dont follow the same rules.

[cerulean kiln]

If they are using Gotva Prime in Old Peace then yes

[cinder marten]

so all of them even the footsoldiers

all commanders in the old peace

[reef compass]

I dont know what my Drifter just cooked, but that answer he gave Roathe was kind of epic?? I... wonder where this is going now??

[zenith jacinth]

that's... not really an argument

[cinder marten]

wah wah wah

[solid otter]

[cerulean kiln]

I’m a book

[cinder marten]

i'm just gonna laugh when DE releases a corpus based prime weapon

[zenith jacinth]

prime is only for tenno/orokin weapons

[reef compass]

ok I can confirm i might have played the cards right, thanks Lyon XD

[cinder marten]

the gotva, sagek, and galariak are grineer weapons

[glad jay]

Like Would be good to show off the answer you know

[cerulean kiln]

Grineer were under the Orokin

And still are

[zenith jacinth]

orokin grineer weapons

with no base form

[cinder marten]

orokin corpus weapons

[cinder marten]

mate those are the base forms

[reef compass]

this is what he decided to answer all by himself

[zenith jacinth]

the corpus are seperate, the grineer were made by the orokin

[zenith jacinth]

you know what I meant

[glad jay]

Isn't the kuva and tenant basically "prime" version for their respective factions?

[solid otter]

Mmhm.

If a weapon has one, you likely won't get a prime iirc

[zenith jacinth]

a wraith or vandal maybe

[cinder marten]

i believe that the corpus were also under the empire and handled the commercial aspects

rulers can't do everything themselves and you know it

[solid otter]

Incarnons are for weapons w out an alt fire

[glad jay]

Until they run out of ideas

[solid otter]

That is quite literally impossible

[cerulean kiln]

Enemy factions fail at making stuff to Prime standard if they aren’t Orokin

[glad jay]

And then we'll have to forma ordis and the landing craft

[zenith jacinth]

do you have evidence

[glad jay]

Eternalism

[zenith jacinth]

or is that just "I think this is it therefore it is"

[cinder marten]

hunhow calling alad v corpus and nef anyo calling us betrayers

[zenith jacinth]

counter evidence; the corpus was founded by parvos, who resented the orokin and stole from them

[glad jay]

Nef anyo said dat? When

[cinder marten]

where did parvos come from

[zenith jacinth]

a farmer family

[cinder marten]

dialogue when doing the mushroom content

[cerulean kiln]

A farm under Orokin rule

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think the orokin would let a kleptomanic farmer with delusions of grandeur manage their finances

[cinder marten]

the lighthearted mushroom content before we delved into memories from the orokin era

[cinder marten]

truly a rags to riches story

[cerulean kiln]

Parvos lost his hand when he tried stealing

[glad jay]

The fact tho he got semi godlike powers of time manipulation from within the temporal rift is crazy

Speaking of, what's the deal with kullervo lore? In his boss fights these 2 shades stab him in the back and somehow that means he respected us or so?

I came a bit late to his party but he was the first frame I got after the hiatus

[undone lodge]

That wasn’t him that was the Protea specter

[solid otter]

Who's tech parvos stole from the entrati lol

[undone lodge]

The Empire didn’t really need a group to do that. They already had a normal lower/middle/upper class system, as shown by KIM, and we know that there was enough commercial stuff going on that the Ostron’s entire society was a merchant culture that lived and travelled on ships before the collapse

[lunar lichen]

Does anyone have a romance text guide for Aoi

[oblique crow]

I might ruined everything even more. I just wanted to skip dialogue with Lyon once and today he automatically skipped dialogue because of settings. I lost Marie, lost Roathe and now Lyon 🥹

[solid otter]

.. why are you skipping?

[cinder marten]

so you're saying that the ostron and the corpus are similar independent entities that weren't under the empire

[undone lodge]

Yes

[oblique crow]

I was busy...

[solid otter]

Well, just for next time, all kimchats effect each other. A chat w Marie's will affect Roathe's.

[cinder marten]

separate or not they would still have benefited the orokin empire or they would've had been seen as a threat otherwise

[oblique crow]

What even more strange that yesterday Marie called me a liar and today I had an option to "click here to romance"...like...what? We suppose to be in fight. And there I thought if there is a button I deffinetly should press it...she simply said "Non" and went offline

[cinder marten]

who's to say that they didn't work with or work for the empire lol

[solid otter]

Its actually a trap folk have fallen for multiple times lol

[cinder marten]

like the grineer who have been employed as a secondary fighting force

[solid otter]

Well. You did too

[oblique crow]

Golden rule: If there is a button you must press it

[solid otter]

But yeah, its built as a trap for those who aren't exactly listening to Marie's story and just wanted to romance her

[oblique crow]

I mean...yeah? But I was more interested in "what if". I still believe I can get back to normal relationship

[solid otter]

You probably can but idk

I aint pursuing them for wanting them. I wanna romance Roathe for the lore

[oblique crow]

Noble

[undone lodge]

They weren’t an independent entity, they were slaves

[undone lodge]

Ignoring their mutual disdain, we already know they had no need for it. They already controlled the entire civilisation, and as Roathe said, could just take what they wanted

[primal gyro]

Funny you mention that, i just checked my kim chat with marie and now she fully understands entrati's misdeeds and i finally have a profile note back on her

Lyon even opened up about rell so i think im heading to the right direction with those two
Roathe however is still stuck on trusted even after getting all his VMs

[oblique crow]

I have them all on Close but...yeah I think I'm on hard level now

[cinder marten]

so they wouldn't have had to have seen these independent organizations as a threat since they already controlled the system as a whole

so by extension, the orokin also controlled them

[primal gyro]

I still have to wait until tomorrow to get a regular convo with roathe

[cinder marten]

what about the clone makers? were they an independent entity as well or were they already in the empire?

is it like a star wars kind of deal where they have to pay the kaminoans to make the clones

[formal fable]

guys need help on this which option ?

[glad jay]

Not sure but I think I picked the 3rd

Can't check cuz away from comp/deck for the next couple hours

[formal fable]

hmm wwant to pick haha

[undone fiber]

that one person who's secretly 70 years old

[formal fable]

nice red text

nice some progress

ooh no block

lyon tell you need to break promise of roathe

[primal gyro]

Which VM is this?

[formal fable]

marie

[formal fable]

the other one is roathe

[primal gyro]

Roathe has a VM named "Marie"?

[formal fable]

sorry marie vm is first

roathe only voice message

he got say coward

[supple dagger]

I need some help. It tells me that I made Marie mad and something about us never seeing eye to eye about entrati how can I fix this to romance her? It says talk to roathe or Lyon but I can’t seem to find anything to get them to help plz ping me if you have a solution

[glad jay]

Wait a day, they might have something to show

[fringe plinth]

guys daddy unblock me 😄

[undone lodge]

There is no clone makers

Like, we know they made clones obviously, but there’s no actual detail on it

Like if there was a specific House or a few that handled it or if they all just had their own facilities for it they ran or whatever

[thorny barn]

Lyon mentions his grandparents meeting during the "Gaullique Revolution", which I can only assume is a reference to the revolt under Charles de Gaulle??? That happened in 1968.

Is this 1899 or 1999 again DE

I doubt Canadians would mess up French history

[tight pagoda]

Warframe history ≠ our real history. Events don't need to line up

[cinder marten]

maybe it's the 18th century of the third millenia

[thorny barn]

They reference a ton of IRL stuff, and keep the date a mystery, I was just trying to line it up.

[tight pagoda]

Also it's probably a reference to the French Revolution

[thorny barn]

I havent gotten to this, nice that I was right on 1899

[tight pagoda]

The Marie Antoinette one

Gaulle is the Warframe name for France

So French = Gaullique

[thorny barn]

May 1968 WAS a revolution, under Gaulle

[zenith jacinth]

The revolution is referring to the country

[thorny barn]

That makes sense

I have no quarrels, if that wasn't clear.

[tight pagoda]

Oh, don't worry, didn't assume you did, sorry if I was coming across as hostile

[thorny barn]

I dislike the Protoframes, but the Triad are so facinating and they get a pass because of the Historic content. I want more of it and I don't know how I feel about that.

[balmy storm]

To he clear, that info was removed and isn’t present in game
But the triad chats clearly imply it to be 1899, it’s just never actually stated afaik

[cerulean kiln]

DE showing then removing it was weird

[thorny barn]

They make way too many references to have it not be 1899, the mention of the revolution under Charles Gaulle in 1968 just threw me off, I didn't know they renamed The entire country of France to a mans name. 😭

[balmy storm]

I’d also like to point out that the Gaullique Revolution is likely the French Revolution which would be placed ~1789-1799

[zenith jacinth]

It's an old name for a country that france was once part of

[thorny barn]

There was already a secondary Revolution under Gaulle, when people talk about Gaulle, there's sometimes mention of it, it's a completely different event. Which is rightfully something to be confused with since they renamed France to Gaulle, so I do understand it's the French Revolution in the 1700's they are talking about, but i wasn't aware they renamed it beforehand.

[balmy storm]

WF history isn’t quite our own

I do hope we get more on Old Earth

[undone lodge]

Radiant Khan inspired frame

[thorny barn]

Warframe: 0019, Jesus Protoframe.

[cinder marten]

the deluxe skins are references of old earth

[balmy storm]

What?

[undone lodge]

We already have that, it’s Arthur

[zenith jacinth]

No

[cinder marten]

tenno culture has preserved traditional martial art

[balmy storm]

The deluxe skins aren’t references to Old Earth
Most of them aren’t even known to be canon

[undone lodge]

(I joke but Lyon has cards with people clearly based off Arthur and Loid, the “First and Second Sons”)

[balmy storm]

I find it odd Lyon doesn’t talk about that

[undone lodge]

The Loid one is also a straight up replica of a depiction of Christ

[balmy storm]

Or maybe he does and I missed it

[balmy storm]

Albrecht is dating warframe jesus?

[cinder marten]

then why do some of them resemble archetypes from ancient history

[balmy storm]

Or Albrecht has been mucking up the past lol

[thorny barn]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-i-guess-bro-bro-i-guess-ok-man-gif-6278747235421617446

[balmy storm]

Have you seen Lyon’s cards?

[thorny barn]

No idea what you're talking about, but that sentence without anything else is very funny to me.

[zenith jacinth]

Ok but it's not referring to that

[undone lodge]

Loid is depicted as Jesus “Christ Pantocrator” (same exact hand poses and everything) Jesus is also referred to as “Firstborn” in the bible and is Gods (first) son.

What did Liger mean by this

[cinder marten]

the catholic church does preserve the bones of saints

[balmy storm]

Like I said, we don’t know which ones of them are entirely canon
Some of them are just references to real world things, we don’t know if WF’s history is the exact same

Likely many many similarities but again, we don’t know which ones are entirely canon

[cinder marten]

we do know that they're not the same but run parallel to our own

[balmy storm]

We have a handfull iirc of confirmed, in canon deluxe skins

[zenith jacinth]

@thorny barn the hek do you mean "👎 "

[balmy storm]

“Nuh uh” lol

[thorny barn]

Wasn't my point, but I don't wanna keep beating the same horse

[zenith jacinth]

[thorny barn]

I think it's safe to say alot of Warframes reference old Earth, including their deluxe skins, unless stated otherwise. Titania, Oberon, Wukong, Nezha, etc are all, yknow..

[night zephyr]

All the equivalents of our real world countries are named something else, like Britain is Britannica, I see where your confusion comes from

[balmy storm]

It does, but with the Orokin destroying Old Earth records I do wonder if we can really say some are canon purely for referencing something
Unfortunately some skins are just skins

[balmy storm]

I mean yes but I’m specifically referring to deluxe skins which are not all canon

[cinder marten]

records aren't everything lol

tradition can still be passed down in other ways

[thorny barn]

--I meant they could probably be considered canon, it's early.

[zenith jacinth]

There are skins that are explicitly just "hey what if sentients made these frames"

[balmy storm]

They aren’t all canon unfortunately

[thorny barn]

DE waving their hands and adding Eternalism so all of everything can be canon

[balmy storm]

Not every skin and cosmetic is canon in game

[zenith jacinth]

Not how it works

[balmy storm]

I’m putting you into the deep void!

[thorny barn]

Not being serious.

[balmy storm]

[zenith jacinth]

Unfortunately an exception in this channel

[balmy storm]

The only deluxe skins we know to be canon are ones that either directly relate to a frame’s story/origin (Valkyr’s first deluxe), the Yareli deluxe (Grandpa made it) and iirc a handful from the Leverian

I would adore for Xaku Deluxe to be canon but I don’t think anything points towards that being the case ):

[thorny barn]

Isn't the Xaku deluxe the ceramic one

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[cinder marten]

excalibur zato seems to be heavily ostron inspired

[balmy storm]

Duviri ceramics

[thorny barn]

He fell into a Zelda shop

[balmy storm]

They.

[zenith jacinth]

They*

[balmy storm]

Ngl I can see it lol

[thorny barn]

I'll go keelhaul myself w/ KMF my fault

[zenith jacinth]

Using the wrong pronouns is punished with death by the revolver in my pfp

[balmy storm]

I do know the proto excal and proto nyx skins, as well as the what if sentient skins are explicitly non-canon
Which is why we can’t just say they’re all canon

[thorny barn]

I just forgot it was multiple frames, I avoid Xaku like the plague

[cinder marten]

wandering warrior with no permanent dwelling and lives in the moment

[zenith jacinth]

Why

[balmy storm]

I love Xaku
My funny lil bag o bones

[thorny barn]

Just as unfun as Rev imo

[zenith jacinth]

Naaaaaah

[thorny barn]

"imo"

They's great, just not my thing

[balmy storm]

I’ve played both
Rev is way more unfun to me

[zenith jacinth]

They

[thorny barn]

FAK

[cinder marten]

caliban orfeo and mesa presidio

[balmy storm]

Yeah you’re going to the deep void

[cinder marten]

styanax's aztec inspired deluxe skin

[zenith jacinth]

Xaku is much more engaging than rev

[balmy storm]

They really are

[thorny barn]

Styanax needs better skins </3

[night zephyr]

The animations are so funny to me man's taking a big smoke

[cinder marten]

wisp solminium

[zenith jacinth]

Styanax needs better abilities

[balmy storm]

Yes many skins have cool inspirations

[thorny barn]

His spear and shield shouldve been an exalted, DE must pay.

[cinder marten]

umbra chilled out

[balmy storm]

But due to non-canon skins existing and some skins just not stating their if they’re canon I have to shade doubt on every deluxe being canon

[night zephyr]

I want revenant prime to come back for the sole reason of getting that prime armor set

[thorny barn]

Excalibur Zato anims on Jade

[cinder marten]

styanax the mesoamerican warrior

[zenith jacinth]

I like that ash shroud is canon

[cinder marten]

maybe lettie appreciates it

[balmy storm]

Jade anims on Arthur Protoframe

[balmy storm]

The sentients might
Iirc they quote something relating to the Aztecs for some reason

[zenith jacinth]

I hate ash shroud but it cool that he canon

[thorny barn]

I remember when Jade came out someone posted an image of Jade being impaled in the Second Dream and they got muted for 24hrs.

[night zephyr]

rub my bellay

[balmy storm]

They’re so cool but only really color well for darker palettes, so keep that in mind

[balmy storm]

arthur mpreg

[cinder marten]

the ninja gaiden skin

[thorny barn]

Bird3 is the father

[night zephyr]

Got it, what about Edo Prime? Cause that's available right now and it's the other one I considering

[balmy storm]

Why would he do that to her is he stupid

[zenith jacinth]

The "no colors work except black" skin

[night zephyr]

what

[cinder marten]

ancient martial art still survives in the future lol we still have katanas, sais, quarterstaffs, etc

[thorny barn]

Nikanas* 🤓

[cinder marten]

all white for storm shadow

the melee stances bro

[balmy storm]

Mostly just metallics, has electricity effect, iirc the chest piece grants a visual effect when dodging?

[zenith jacinth]

White with red belt

[balmy storm]

Like 75% of all prime armors are good
Maybe 99% idk

[zenith jacinth]

1999%

[night zephyr]

I missed out on the chroma ones :(

[cinder marten]

the Bo is a Shaolin weapon

[night zephyr]

He'll be back. In a year

[zenith jacinth]

Only prime armor I like is rev's ngl

[balmy storm]

As much of a flop as gyre prime is I am somewhat tempted to get the accessories

[cinder marten]

we also have nunchucks lol

warfans

[balmy storm]

Glaives not being glaives

[cinder marten]

kunai

the Guandao

[balmy storm]

We are like
Space ninjas

[thorny barn]

It's like, an entire point repeated constantly by Orokin that they had to revert to ancient weaponry to combat the Sentients.

[night zephyr]

I love the warfans they're so flashy

[night zephyr]

ninjas play free

[balmy storm]

Xaku warfan my beloved

Funny heavy attack :)

[night zephyr]

Those ones are so good

[cinder marten]

Tannokai armor description is that it's a tenno sparring/training armor

[thorny barn]

Syam best Nikana

[balmy storm]

Yeah
I’m sad to see that tagline go but the new one works better with the story

[balmy storm]

We did have to go through training

[cinder marten]

the tenno were the ones who preserved these forms of martial art

[night zephyr]

Also love the slampotes build, it's funny to just repeatedly jump up and crush everything around you

[cinder marten]

or maybe

[balmy storm]

The Orokin and the Dax who taught them:

[thorny barn]

Warframe before the Bullet Jump and insane speed boosts >>> /s

[cinder marten]

it was the Orokin hah

[balmy storm]

They are all about memories

[cinder marten]

yea the dax are literally samurai

[balmy storm]

I wonder if Scarne was actually a historian?

[cinder marten]

the guns

[zenith jacinth]

But with very stupid hats

[cinder marten]

the braton, the burston, the tiberon

the stradavar

the latron

the soma

the sybaris

hell some of these were in 1999 lol

[zenith jacinth]

It's getting annoying

[cinder marten]

the base versions of them at least, or maybe entrati just carried a bag of weapons too lol

lettie uses the latron as her primary and a protokol revolver as her secondary

eleanor uses the sybaris and then a protokol double barrel as her secondary

amir has the amprex

aoi has the burston and protokol throwing knives

[balmy storm]

Everyone gets normal guns and Amir gets a tesla cannon

[cinder marten]

3 of them get the Bo staff

[balmy storm]

I feel like he asked for that personally and Albrecht was just okay with it

[cinder marten]

lettie has dual swords

[zenith jacinth]

Protokol throwing knives isn't a thing

[balmy storm]

Yeah they are what

[cinder marten]

they're in the quest lol

[zenith jacinth]

No they ain't

[balmy storm]

The Hex use Protokol weapons

That are the skins we can get

[cinder marten]

arthur has the cheeki breeki ax-52 and vesper77

[zenith jacinth]

There's only protokol gun skins

[balmy storm]

Including the Protokol throwing knife skin

[cinder marten]

and a proto skana with his dead buddy's scarf on it

[balmy storm]

Bruh Scrap I own the skin lmao

[cinder marten]

yeah the protokol throwing knives were a limited time thing

[thorny barn]

Love that skin so much

[cinder marten]

looks like a hikou

i bet she controls them as she throws them lol

[balmy storm]

I love the pouches

[cinder marten]

magnetize go brr

[thorny barn]

They look great on the Kuva Ivara skin

[balmy storm]

Idk if its still a bug but when you throw them you throw the pouches instead lol

[uncut solar]

Where is that from?

[cinder marten]

now that's silly

[balmy storm]

I think 1999 nightwave? But I’m not sure exactly
It has been a year or so

[uncut solar]

Oh

[balmy storm]

But really funny

[uncut solar]

Sad

[pastel pasture]

why does everyone think Tau is just the system? It's both! It a dang planet!

[cinder marten]

it's funny picturing entrati carrying a whole bag of weapons so not only was he a drug dealer in 1999 but also a weapons smuggler

[zenith jacinth]

Did the picture send or no, my discord just executed itself

[uncut solar]

Selling furniture as well

[cinder marten]

all stashed in the backroom

[balmy storm]

Tau is likely incorrectly called a planet by the Drifter once afaik and is absolutely a system with at least 5 bodies in it

[zenith jacinth]

That's not in quincy's store wth

[pastel pasture]

unless DE has says its incorrect I'm sticking with what I think is obvious

[cinder marten]

oh right quincy

[balmy storm]

Okay
It still exists lol

[pastel pasture]

Perita is the moon of Tau

[cinder marten]

his signature lmg

[zenith jacinth]

DE what the f

[cinder marten]

that he keeps shooting inside the mall

[pastel pasture]

in the tau system

[thorny barn]

God I hope we get an actual Starchart and not some stupid system where each planet is a different mission type.

[cinder marten]

now that i think about it

warframe generated bullets lmao

[balmy storm]

I mean it can be both but again, afaik Drifter is the only one who says it and it wouldn’t be the first mistake in the KIM system (Nihil is no longer an Executor)