spoiler-chat

[night grail]

Jump

Aside from the blue sweeping lasers nothing can really hit you mid-air

[solid marten]

What about the red lasers on stage 2 ? Im gonna try it again on a later date.. IM just burned out of WF, but thanks for the tip

[night grail]

Which ones are those its been a minute

I remember air bursts, flame wave, laser spam, spanning lasers

[surreal idol]

Yo so I was playing the old peace and I was at the point where you fight the Warframe I forgot already which one and I used transference and randomly teleported to the laboratory? That isn’t supposed to happen right cause I can’t open any doors and I’m stuck here with Excalibur prime 😭

[hearty pendant]

no, you hit a bug

[surreal idol]

Weird that’s funny 😂

[thorny creek]

Lowkey would kill for an Adis syandana like bro that would be SO COOL

[novel quartz]

Roathe is so bad but so good omg XD

[grave quiver]

yall i think he hates the kid

even more flippant than he usually is 😭

bro if i was the operator in this era and an orokin sent me an email id start screaming

[night grail]

Nah

I'd make him scream (of terror)

[grave quiver]

id make him scream (in ways i cannot specify)

[night grail]

[chrome vale]

This genocide could've been a e-mail

[tropic horizon]

me: about to start The New War
Game: (paraphrase) don't do this unless you have a full day free
me: looks at time (nearly midnight) hmm... maybe tomorrow.

[solid otter]

No the game is serious on that one 😭

The new war is LONG

[tropic horizon]

I figured

[solid otter]

Also.

Go rank up your railjack.

I know you haven't done it. Have you?

[hearty pendant]

good idea. it'll take around 4 or 5 hours on average (though sometimes longer depending on how you get through certain sections)
one session is good for.. comprehending it all, though there are save points that you can continue from

[tropic horizon]

I got my railjack like two days ago

how much should I rank it up?

[solid otter]

Yeah so go play with it, you will struggle if you don't work on it.

Just need mods and uh... what's the word?

[tight pagoda]

Armaments

[solid otter]

No, starts with I

[tropic horizon]

intrinsics

[solid otter]

YEA

[tropic horizon]

I'll probably ask properly in players-helping-players tomorrow but can I get a brief idea of what kind of things am I looking for in terms of mods?

[tight pagoda]

Just a speed mod

and shields

[tropic horizon]

aight

[long orchid]

yo where can I find the place to exchange stuff with roathe

apparently there is some new console in the base of operations but I cant find it

[zenith jacinth]

There isn't, press F at the star chart then go to sanctum

Find the big obvious portal there

[long orchid]

aaahhh okay thank you

[solid fern]

I have a strange feeling that, Roathe isn’t really a “bad” guy

[undone lodge]

IIRC they actually nerfed things to make it easier for people who haven’t done RJ

[tardy acorn]

these voice messages arent enough i need an entire book written by roathe

[undone lodge]

Icl I’d actually read that, listen to the audiobook too

Some autobiography on his life or the history of the war as a merch thing

£70 for the unillustrated paperback, £45 for the audio and £320 for the shipping, of course

[dry cove]

I've beaten Roathe over 21 times and even he is sick of the beatings. I'm gonna get a ton of voice messages, huh?

[fleet veldt]

Roathe does feel like a guy born into power, but doesn't really enjoy it - so he torments himself and everyone else because he finds something about it amusing.

Then again, like all Orokin, he may not be entirely honest (at least, for the first year or so).

Still, I wonder if he'll narrate Uriel Prime's trailer (if any), saying what he must?

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-uriel-murmur-gunpoint-gun-gif-16944150267088598477

This is so funny

[tropic venture]

I love how much everyone just reviles Uriel, including Wally himself it seems

[uncut solar]

Edgelord supreme

[dry cove]

Is that really his pistol idle animation?!

[balmy storm]

Yup

His primary features the murmur too iirc

[tropic venture]

Agile rifle idle yeah

[dry cove]

I might just switch to the agile animation set for that alone!

[tropic venture]

Agile fits Uriel more while Noble fits Roathe imo.

[balmy storm]

It’s really good lol
Unfortunately the hands do not appear if you have it on another frame

The anims still look good, your fame just looks insane which is kinda fitting

[tropic venture]

his Agile Tome idle is decent but I wish the punches had more force behind them, rn it just kinda looks like he's waving the tome around

[uncut solar]

Most of his agile animations have murmur attacking him

Rare agile animation w

[novel bison]

Question , i see the focus bubbles are now blue and say they give 10k focus, but ive not got nay focus at all from them all week? Whats up with that

[tropic venture]

blue orbs are Tauron boost orbs, they spawn so you can get the extra Tauron strike charge even after you've hit your daily focus cap

they give no Focus, just the Tauron charge boost that regular focus orbs also give

[novel bison]

hmmm, weird im not at my focus cap tho at all and im still not getting anything

[slate dagger]

has anyone gotten kisskiss from one of the triad?

[tame canopy]

lore accurate drifter walks around with necramech sometimes

another thing they don't let us use ingame

[covert tree]

Sadge

[tame canopy]

I wonder how scaldra reacted to that monster lol

[tropic venture]

no Necramech in Höllvania is tragic

[cerulean kiln]

Ludonarrative dissonance

[covert tree]

Most doors are too small so it not being in most missions is fine

[tame canopy]

warframes are one thing but a visibly giant mech (by wf sizes standards) is a different deal

[covert tree]

But its allowed in the labs so idk

[tame canopy]

of course it's all scary to them lol

[covert tree]

Not to mention the presumably real human skull

[tame canopy]

of all places hollvania is where it should makes sense for necramech since its open area

[cerulean kiln]

It’s not a real skull

[covert tree]

Ah ok

[cerulean kiln]

Decoration

[covert tree]

Spirit Halloween decoration

[cerulean kiln]

Entrati family like skulls

[tame canopy]

"every" single necramech, that being 2(two) types

[cerulean kiln]

Also like bones

At best they made it a decoration and put a core in it

Or something

Drifter wouldn’t know tbh

[undone lodge]

Also uses the K-drive, which must look so confusing

[tame canopy]

we can do transferrence on it so im like 99 percent sure something's inside the mech and the skulls might at least covers it

[tropic venture]

Especially the infested one

[undone lodge]

Introducing Lizzie to the velocipods

[tropic venture]

She probably already knows them by proxy of Helminth hivemind

[tame canopy]

fun fact, but a chat with arthur, I think, shows coda guns are not just acknowledged, but they're present in the mall, and talks to lizzie

[cerulean kiln]

Or it just has a transference bolt attached

[tame canopy]

the coda guns might have personalities lol

oh yeah, right, i FORGET ABOUT THAT

Capslock oops

[tropic venture]

Well the "talk" is likely them communicating telepathically rather than the weapons speaking

[tame canopy]

I mean lizzie talks physically too in defense so not out of the realm of possibility that codas can talk physically

they probably skips the mouth talks to each other tho

[tropic venture]

Might be like the guns send brainwaves and Lizzie responds out-loud

so it just looks like she's talking to no one

[tame canopy]

That sounds cursed and makes her look schizophrenic lol

out of context at least

👀 maybe the in universe reason as to why coda guns are modelled after certain origin systems gear like mire, is because of the infested paracasual's nature, and they just... iterate on the designs for us when we arrive to 1999 lol

some tenet stuff like tenet ferrox has flavor text that says it's improved from preexisting designs iirc

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-crazy-gif-9743969331236504824

Thank you helminth for letting me replace MR fodders with better gear

marie's KIM really showing me DE ||going hard on the philosophical question of soul for cephalon||

I pick 4

[mental ice]

I am questioning if Ballas was really the one who ||sabotaged things on Tau, after talking with Rothe||

[cerulean kiln]

No, you did

[mental ice]

I mean the one who changed the codes

[cerulean kiln]

Probably him

Executor level permissions

[tropic venture]

They're saying it could've been Nitokh

[mental ice]

||I think it was Roathe himself||

[tropic venture]

I'm not sure which Roathe chat they mean specifically and I don't really wanna be spoiled so

[mental ice]

it is a spoiler chat tho xD

yhe VM: Submission would heavily hint at it anyway

[cerulean kiln]

Choosing peace?

Roathe ain’t being smart with that one

[tropic venture]

VM submission is about him visiting Nitokh bathing trust

[mental ice]

lol

[remote raft]

Ok I had to see what this was and it's Marie roasting Roathe

Basically "only the Void is big enough for your ego you cow poop"

🤣 🤣

I paraphrase a little but yea

[dry cove]

Hope we can smooch Roathe soon.

[simple python]

No one has found out his rank to date.

[scarlet ginkgo]

Question: For obtaining Roathe's memories, can you spam the boss fight at the end of the Infermum or do you need to do the whole route each time?

[simple python]

I'm thinking... Marie is like the Quincy/Amir/Lettie rank 4s. And Lyon and Roathe are the Lettie/Eleanor/Arthur rank 5s.

[simple python]

Yea. But keep a close eye on his voice lines. You'll skip past 21 fights in a heartbeat.

[scarlet ginkgo]

So, would it be safer to rounds of the last 7 floors?

[dry cove]

I think you can just spam the boss fight. I did that when I was just farming for Uriel and Vinquibus and got a whole bunch of voice messages for the next 2 days.

I just finished doing it 21 times so I should get all the memories now.

[scarlet ginkgo]

I'm asking because he sent me a kim message being mad at me for not doing it. I was too busy farming the tauron strikes xd

To be fair, I told him "ooohh it's too hard i'm tryinggg...." and be basically went "bro you singlehandedly beat narmer sybau. You have guts for lying to me, respect."

[dry cove]

It's funny when you do the fight after 21, he just sounds like he's done with life.

[scarlet ginkgo]

A short interaction, to be fair.

[dry cove]

I never got that one. Yesterday's chat for me was about Marie and Lyon and I messed up that one so I hope I'll do better tonight and get his romance!

[cerulean kiln]

Well
Are you lying like he brings up?

[zenith jacinth]

it's gonna take a while

[shadow cairn]

Are they trying to say it was normal in Orokin high society to have relationships that are essentially just hatef***ing…? Like some Homestuck level kismesis type thing? Or is it just abuse. Is that what we have to help Roathe realize oh man this guy..

[dry cove]

I can wait. What I can't take is whether or not I'm doing the chats right and feeling really bad when I do a chat and not get red text.

[zenith jacinth]

the latter

[scarlet ginkgo]

Yeah, I had no option to say "I haven't done it yet."

The other ones were "I'll get to it" or "Too busy" both of which i didn't wanna say cus it undermines him and i'm trying to get him not to hate me

[dry cove]

It would appear so. Orokin society has always been run by backstabbing, petty, privileged blue egg heads.

[scarlet ginkgo]

My homestuck sleeper agent woke up at the mentions of "Kismesis"

Also, absolutely. As Roathe says, the Orokin were incredibly bored, they would do ANYTHING to have fun.

[shadow cairn]

Yeah that makes more sense. Just completely being terrible to each other to try and get ahead in status

[zenith jacinth]

bruh.

[dry cove]

I'm trying to do the same, while also picking options that hopefully will open him up to the idea of redemption. He seems open to it as long as you're not sanctimonious about it.

[zenith jacinth]

no, it's not normal. orokin relationships weren't like that. the ones that are are outliers.

[scarlet ginkgo]

he seems to love being insulted, to be fair. You tell him "Hey, I'm the reason ballas is dead, don't make me open my schedule" and he just goes "Lmao, respect."

I just want the Family to know what's happening, I feel so bad for em :C

(TBF I'm like, 50% sure Grandma already knows, she seems like that type.)

[shadow cairn]

Its such an interesting way to “humanize” the Orokin. Like we can still hate all that they’ve done wrong but we now get a glimpse into just how miserable they can make each other on the inside. They aren’t just constantly reaping the benefits of mass explotation they’re desperately and pathetically fighting each other all the way to the top

[scarlet ginkgo]

Me when I'm in a "Screw everyone competition" and my opponent is Ballas

[solid otter]

I think she knows a lot

[shadow cairn]

You ever just go “yeah the solar system is cool and all but I’d shove it down the garbage disposal in a millisecond just to rub it in my ex-wife’s face”

[scarlet ginkgo]

I wouldn't put it past DE to have this whole scene of the family finding out and she goes "Oh, hi Loid. Are the Cavia alright?" like it's no big deal

[shadow cairn]

For real just how strong is the barrier between the sanctum and the necralisk for the murmur to have not even… murmured

[scarlet ginkgo]

I mean, the whole thing is that you are putting your EVERYTHING into protecting the part that actually connects to the necralisk

[shadow cairn]

Ah. So its as strong as we are right right

In lore i guess the tenno’s only real weakness is quest cutscenes

[scarlet ginkgo]

There's a few actual weaknesses. You have the Heart of Deimos. The man in the wall himself is pretty formidable. Ballas seemed to have the Ascaris Negator Prime which allowed to control Warframes.

And the worst one...

John Corpus with a singular nullifier backpack (It stops all warframe AND operator abilties)

But yeah, they are canonically almost unstoppable. Which is... kind of why they are feared as much as they are.

They are shown in lore, cutscenes and codexes to be literal one-man armies. We find them stupid because we play as them and always see them. But from the old peace to the present day, some people don't even believe they exist. They're not something you see everyday.

[solid otter]

Grandmother and Loid definitely used to drink tea together and talk shit

[shadow cairn]

For how nice Grandmother is to us I do wonder how she could have maintained status as part of Orokin society without being cruel in some way

[solid otter]

"So I heard that executor Nitokh was romantically involved with her lesser!"
– grandmother probably

[shadow cairn]

Oh dang yeah just the ultimate gossip i guess that could do it, haha

[solid otter]

Idk why but I also get the sense grandmother was a stoner

[scarlet ginkgo]

Bro, if I had an inmortal coworker that didn't bat an eye at any of MY assasination plans I personally wouldn't mess with her.

She looks like she'd laugh at ||9/11 while being inside the tower||

or at most say "Oh dear, that's not nice"

[uncut solar]

So uhh hear me out

Vomvalysts are the skulls

[fickle estuary]

To defeat the Man in the Wall all we need to do is pay Granum 1 god roll riven so he lets us borrow every single nullifier alive, and have them jump on Wally like a football team 🔥

The fields will remove his eldritch powers and he will get beat to death by batons

We can also make a giant ring of them to seal the void rip the Zariman is plugging

[uncut solar]

Wally vs Nully

[undone lodge]

Wally would just possess one of the ice Eximus (Eximi?)

[scarlet ginkgo]

I vouch for Eximi

[fringe pond]

Or you can be silly and say eximuses

When were they even added to the game?

[scarlet ginkgo]

Eximusi

[uncut solar]

Reworked in 2022

[scarlet ginkgo]

Usually they say "Eximus Units"

Ok I got to fight 21, this dialogue is so hilarious, how many more unique lines are ther?

[pliant saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/counter-strike-gamer-online-game-head-shot-gif-3519523

[gentle cape]

so the only options i got are either gas him up or gas him up....... eugh (/neg)

also since when did drifter kill thousands if not millions of people gleefully & gloat about it...? "ive had to do the same." no you didnt.

[undone lodge]

/neg ?

[gentle cape]

/negative,, its a uhhhhhh what did they call it again?? basically just a way for ppl to know your feelings through texts, bc sometimes its hard to

[uncut solar]

a... tone tag

[gentle cape]

yeah that!!

[uncut solar]

a lot of people add /s which usually means sarcastic

[wicked pike]

fr though the crashout in the old peace was a long time coming.

[hexed terrace]

you're not hard bro

[open mortar]

This is why i target eximus’s first before any of the Reg’s

[wise solstice]

Yes she is bruh

She canonly one hits Orowyrms

In fact, that was base Mesa

Imagine what she can do

Anyways, Guitar Tauron Strike
Would be peak

[wise solstice]

They can make this
Base Game Tauron Strikes = completely different Tauron strikes, but still use the base thing you get from Marie

Less op, of course

[shadow sphinx]

aughhhh,,,,, la famille :') i love you found siblings trope

[wise solstice]

OH MY GOD YES

[shadow sphinx]

the little snippets of how much they love and appreciate each other is making me dhsfgsdhfdsghfgs

[uncut solar]

Awwww :3

[gentle cape]

..........there really, really should be an option to kill this sexist—i cant call him what i want bc itll get blocked immediately by the bot but. yk.

"would you care to, marie?" I WANT TO KILL YOU SO BAD ITS MAKING ME RAGE QUIT.

[uncut solar]

Descendia

Kill him enough times and he'll start to beg you not to do it

[gentle cape]

no, no. its not enough. i need him gone from the cathedral room too.

i need him gone entirely.

even ballas never made me hate him as much as roathe does. ballas.

honestly? my problem w roathe as a character is the fact that hes a romanceable option.

[uncut solar]

I guess it's a matter of exposure

Like how he himself puts it lol

[uncut solar]

You can help him get better

But yeah he's extremely punchable

Like curb stomp level punchable

[gentle cape]

him. the Orokin who boasts about the ye old empire days & only held off from killing the operator bc of the infestation turning him into a frame.

[uncut solar]

Well drifter is a therapist working for Entrati now

[gentle cape]

the Orokin who's first line of dialogue ever was basically boasting about genocide. THAT is a romanceable option apparently!!

[uncut solar]

[gentle cape]

fu—(head in hands) (screaming!!!!!!!!)

[uncut solar]

Shhh

It's ok

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-small-pet-silly-alone-lonely-gif-4734322154604199486

[gentle cape]

I DONT WANT TO. HES BALLAS LEVEL OF UNFORGIVABLE—I WANNA CALL HIM A BIHH SO BAD—

[uncut solar]

Well that is the question

Can the Orokin be forgiven

It's your decision to see how he fares against it

[gentle cape]

the answer is a resounding no.

[uncut solar]

Maybe you can make him see the errors of his ways

[gentle cape]

someone who takes pride in killing people—FCK NO.

someone who takes pride in killing innocent people and dehumanizes children is unforgiveable. simple as.

also hes hella sexist.

[uncut solar]

That is extremely fair

[gentle cape]

hes literally a fascist. like.

[uncut solar]

Putting a lot of emphasis on "maybe"

[gentle cape]

why am i redeeming a fascist. why is that a thing now.

all because of romance? fck that.

[uncut solar]

Valuable asset in the eyes of entrati, I suppose

Anyone who doesn't show apathy might be worthwhile against the indifference

[gentle cape]

he sure is an asset yeah

such a great asset too! bihhing & moaning about how he cant go back to killing innocents oh woe be him!! DIE.

[uncut solar]

One more descendia run

[gentle cape]

its not enough i fear...

bc now the screen is glitched to that sexist line.

fun :)))))

[uncut solar]

Bruh

Game is actively trying to get to you

[gentle cape]

IT REALLY IS 😭😭😭

& its working ngl,, evidenced by me screaming here

[uncut solar]

Game definitely lets you take this position, at least

Marie even supports it

[gentle cape]

i think there should be a cutscene where she strangles him

she deserves it. as a treat.

[uncut solar]

Well, Entrati put him there for some reason

I suppose her faith in Entrati holds firmer than that

[gentle cape]

her little whack-a-mole toy.

[uncut solar]

I guess that's what descendia eventually turns into

[gentle cape]

i hope so

i'd love to see it

[uncut solar]

21 descendia kills and he starts to really regret it

[gleaming ridge]

How do I get the Grandis XX Perigon Attachment or see the challenges for it?

[uncut solar]

Browse surplus at Roathe, buy the insignia pack

Then start doing challenges

Wiki has challenges listed

[hexed relic]

i REALLY hope the Man in the wall isnt what roathe says, the idea that this void god thats been doing all this shit is literally just a figment of our imagination is too stupid for me to accept ima be real

idk why that was a reply

[grave quiver]

i had to stand up from my pc and go walk around for a moment bro

[dry cove]

I didn't get any Roathe chat today! Just a bunch of voice messages since I did the Roathe boss fights past 21. Is this normal?

[solid otter]

... I think you misread Marie's whole character regarding entrati if you think this ngl

He uh

Also did like, nothing in xx99

Sounds like he did a whole lot of disassociating

[grave quiver]

?

didnt he lie to marie about the protoframe serum then just up and left when they were in a vulnerable and confused state, having bodies they didnt understand and shunned by society

[solid otter]

....he did the exact opposite. I think you mean the hex? Unless im wrong?

But that sure sounds like the hex to me

[grave quiver]

? you mightve missed something

[solid otter]

Oh so someone other than marie made the choice of what marie is feeling.

[grave quiver]

hes discussing what entrati did mate

[solid otter]

... he made the choice of what marie feels.

[grave quiver]

bro they got locked in a basement

[solid otter]

I also do not see where entrati lied

Ah

Well, post that both next time.

[grave quiver]

informed consent for a medical procedure is required bro

[solid otter]

Ew.

[grave quiver]

it takes time to find things dude

[solid otter]

Do not talk to me like that.

[grave quiver]

bruh

sorry cat was freaking out im back

[grave quiver]

alr

[solid otter]

We are not friends, do not call me "bro". Shrimple as that.

Also. I still don't see where he lied, he explained his lies then offered the serum. He also went out of his way to make sure they weren't abandoned

[grave quiver]

i say it to everyone but sure, if you dont like it ig

[solid otter]

Side note, Lyon thinks Roathe being blue is from the infestation. Funny.

[grave quiver]

im not sure marie wouldve readily accepted the serum if it came with being locked in a basement for presumably an extended period of time, with a blue man from space who is more or less satan to her

[tropic horizon]

just started The New War and my god Kahl-175 is a LEGEND

[grave quiver]

lyon did it because marie did and he wanted to stay by her so thats not wholly relevant here

well not irrelevant but ykwim

i still feel they did not recieve informed consent about the matter. like, lyon didnt know some random kid would start vocally stimming inside his head. and it seems like entrati partially did it so roathe didnt just shred them

and by all accounts ive seen, marie does seem to be looking at entrati through some heavily rose tinted glasses. even says here

[hearty pendant]

i don't think entrati could've known that either??

[solid otter]

I don't think Albrecht even knew of Rell ngl

[grave quiver]

eh i suppose thats fair

💀

[solid otter]

The operator report is seemingly written after Albrecht screwed off

So if he is mentioned there, Albrecht couldn't have read about rell there

[grave quiver]

coming from a disabled person, its also pretty sus to me how he treated marie on first encounter

[solid otter]

... coming from another disabled person, thats pretty respectful

[hearty pendant]

it absolutely could've been a manipulation tactic, as lyon says, but it could just be genuine respect??

[grave quiver]

im not saying entrati is unfettered evil btw im just saying that both of them have good reason to want to tear him apart

[solid otter]

I prefer people to at least look me in the eye

Or like. Not loom over me when I'm in my chair

[amber terrace]

Please, for the love of whatever’s out there, please tell me Lyon signs off all of his conversations with
“-F. Lyon Allard”

[grave quiver]

opinions can differ i suppose and im mobile so my thoughts on it arent fully relevant

[solid otter]

Albrecht seems to have a soft spot for women, despite him uh. Not liking them lol

[covert dune]

To be fair it would not make sense that Ballas was the one to sabotage the codes. We saw him talking with the proffessor alone, we don't know what they talked about in there. Probably another executor knew what the Tenno thought of him or what his reputation was and tried to put the blame on him. If he did know about the codes he would have never gone to the school in the first place.

[solid otter]

Moreso people he might see as similar to his daughter

[grave quiver]

i know many people in wheelchairs also prefer you dont try to crouch or sit down to talk to them

[hexed terrace]

its so hard to get in character when talking to Kaya because holy SHIT Drifter is terrible at talking to her

[solid otter]

He does for Kaya, even if it was from Kaya's perspective, it doesn't take a genius to realise that Kaya reminds Albrecht of his own daughter

[hearty pendant]

yea lol
they get better as the convos continue at least

[solid otter]

Mainly when we're moving sure 😭

[hexed terrace]

like all of the options are consistently terrible like why tf would you say that????

[solid otter]

I hate it when people loom over me when talking

[covert dune]

To be fair Driffter is bad at talking in general. The guy spent hundreds of years (maybe even more) being killed over and over, he had none to zero human interaction in their entire life

[covert dune]

@hearty pendant What do you mean by "?"

[hexed terrace]

true but they don't suck this bad with the other proto-frames, but realistically you could chalk it up to drifter not knowing how to talk to "Stonewalls"

[grave quiver]

yeah i dont like how the drifter is just an ass to kaya sometimes and treats her as an immature child when shes been forced to grow up way faster than her peers. having been in that position, people talking to me as if my maturity was lower made me want to punch them tbh. it felt like being baby talked to

[hearty pendant]

i'm not seeing how ballas talking with itzam or being at the academy means that he wouldn't have changed the codes

[grave quiver]

yeah man idk at the end of the day my legs are functional so i'll concede here. the story hasnt been fully told yet, im sure itll be more clear in the future. both lyon and roathe have expressed murderous intent towards entrati and im sure they have good reason for it

[covert dune]

Because we literally have no proof of Ballas being the one that changed the codes. He quite literally appeared as the image of the peace treat. Itzam and him talked about something, we don't know what they talked about but I think the plot twist will be that he did not change the codes but found out who did.

[grave quiver]

i will say though, the xx99 story isnt in isolation. when you pair how entrati treated the devil's triad with how he treated the hex, it becomes way more sus

[grave quiver]

tangentially related- anyone noticed something was off when the projection of margulis in the ayatan didnt have her eyes gouged out

i recall they were intact in the ayatan message

[hearty pendant]

lmao more deepfake proof

[vale ledge]

I messed up with Roathe. He wanted me to do something and I said no, and now he's kinda not happy i guess

[grave quiver]

can you send screenshots cuz id like to see what wouldve happened if i didnt tell him i feel freaky deaky for him

[tropic horizon]

Veso is not nearly as cool as Kahl

[vale ledge]

in this chat?

[hexed terrace]

I love this guy man I wish I played frost

[grave quiver]

i think its a roles thing cuz i can

[vale ledge]

lemme see if i can

[solid otter]

Hm.

[grave quiver]

get some roles from channels and roles and try. it may be an anti spam measure

[vale ledge]

SPOILERS FOR ROATHE

[hearty pendant]

who else would've?
ballas is close to margulis, who is in the message regarding the codes. itzam gives us the ayatan not long after meeting with ballas
if ballas knew about the codes being changed, why did the ayatan end up in our possession at all. throwing in a plot twist like that doesn't add anything

[solid otter]

Back on this, but not related to the conversation "as we see him now, already changed"

Is this in reference to Albrecht or to Roathe? Cuz if its to Albrecht we'd have a far more definite timeline. Though considering Lyon thinks the blue is from the infestation, it couldn't have been bluebrecht

[dry cove]

As long as the status didn't go to Anathema, you should be good.

[vale ledge]

ah yeah I saw that on someones reddit post

im still trusted

[grave quiver]

jesus roathe....

[dry cove]

The Anathema status shows up instead of offline if you really messed up.

[grave quiver]

roathe, but they were already protoframes at this point as conformed by lyon later

[covert dune]

Should I go with the "Did you love her?" option or nah?

[dry cove]

I didn't even get a Roathe chat today; just the VMs since I officially beat him over 21 times yesterday.

[simple python]

Rq was there a loot room this descendia week?

[grave quiver]

1. jesus christ the audacity to assume its okay to make the drifter go back to the spiral for his own sake, and to assume that it didnt deeply effect them and destory them
   2)so much to unpack in the second screenshot 💀

[hearty pendant]

there's the locker/mimic one in the first 7 that i remember
not sure if there's a crate breaker

[simple python]

IK there was one LAST WEEK. but I didn't know Harrowing Spire dropped form the things

[grave quiver]

i beat him over 21 times on the first day and ive been getting them?

[solid otter]

Also what the shit is a greatcoat

[simple python]

No I'm like. Looking for the Crates. Like the Grineer Crates versus the Lockers?

[simple python]

Like an Overcoat. But Great

Big Coat.

[grave quiver]

its a really good coat

[dry cove]

I meant I got just the messages, no daily chat.

[simple python]

The difference is; I was not looking for the Iron Maiden Lockers. I was looking for the Ark of the Covenant Crates all around the place.

[grave quiver]

yeah ive gotten the chats too. maybe you already got to a conclusion with his story, or maybe its a bug?

[solid otter]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatcoat

... interesting.

[dry cove]

I really hope it's a bug. Yesterday's chat I messed up with no red text, but I didn't get the dreaded Anathema status.

[solid otter]

Does this mean his coat in 1999 wasn't made for 1999 😭

[grave quiver]

i like the apple on top of his hat/helmet

[hearty pendant]

if you have VMs pending, they'll sometimes overwrite the chat

[grave quiver]

the what

[solid otter]

Anathema, its what happens if you mess up Roathe's chat really really bad

[dry cove]

If you really mess up with the triad, they get Anathema instead of offline which means they hate you and stop messaging you.

[grave quiver]

OH

i didnt know that was a thing @-@

[solid otter]

I cant wait to reunite loid with the family lowkey

[grave quiver]

well thank god im at trusted with them all

[dry cove]

It was like that with The Hex as well. I hope today was just a bug and I'll get a Roathe chat tomorrow.

[hexed terrace]

Quincy knows Quantum Mechanics...

[solid otter]

Yeah

[grave quiver]

i cant wait to see one of them pick him up with one hand like a small wet cat /j

[hexed terrace]

most left field lore drop ever but thats kinda hard

[solid otter]

Mother probably would, after yelling at him. Loid helped raise her after all

[grave quiver]

oh no wonder i didnt hear about that recently then. and luckily i dont think ive ever hit that

[grave quiver]

"so where is he now?" "he time travelled back to 1999" "THATS WHY MY DAUGHTER HAS THAT DREADFUL MUSIC PLAYING ALL THE TIME?!"

im assuming she wouldnt like on lyne

[solid otter]

Well. Albrecht isn't in 1999 anymore

And if she remembers it, Albrecht likely showed Daughter onlyne

-# Along with the triad

They got exposed somehow and I will chose to think that Albrecht was an Onlyne fan

[grave quiver]

lyon curled in a ball having a complete breakdown in his faith and psyche became he listened to party of your lifetime

playing the great despair "did they name this song after the emotion i feel when its played?"

[solid otter]

Albrecht coming back from a trip to 1999 to go to xx99 with monster energys for Marie and Lyon in some kind of band shirt (mildly smells of burnt flesh, whatever a rave smells like and cigarettes)

[grave quiver]

someone please give lyon and marie a redbull

[hexed terrace]

Marie would absolutely be a raver if she was in 1999

[solid otter]

I still love that they made Albrecht a stoner

Go my old man, go smoke nestawood

[grave quiver]

wait what im sorry hes a stoner?

when did that happen

[solid otter]

Mhm. Both him and Loid smoke something equivalent to weed (or maybe a hallucinogen?), called nestawood

[grave quiver]

INCREDIBLE

[hexed terrace]

imagine we run into him at Tau and he's just hotboxing

[solid otter]

"I realized my error as I sweated by visionary nestawood cinders, beside Loid who curled pale and sick from chewing too much of the root. "

[grave quiver]

nightmare blunt rotation

[solid otter]

Loid is also, seemingly, a lightweight

Relationship goals unfortunately

[solid otter]

He stole cars specifically to do this/j

He did have a weird amount of cars in the labs tho

[grave quiver]

poor guy got the nerds rope treatment

[solid otter]

I KNOW THAT JOKE

I know that reference

[grave quiver]

ayyye

[solid otter]

But uh

Yeah. I chose to think Albrecht stole cars

Choose...

[grave quiver]

is it really theft if the owners are infested now

[solid otter]

I mean, no but it is funny to think of Albrecht driving a car into the sanctum

Also.

He's responsible for the modified atomicycles

[grave quiver]

i wonder where the drifter keeps getting nikes to blow up

ik ab the modified bikes but

we blow up at least one per mission. where are we getting them

[obtuse gyro]

Can't you see batman, there are no legems where its illegal to drive under the influence in the empire

[solid otter]

It gets kinda funny cuz when planning on it, Albrecht mentions modifying them (benevolently), so i also will now believe there was 7 hex members and much like DE, Albrecht accidentally blew up Loki and removed him from the main cast (like they did for the starters)

[grave quiver]

atomicycle makers sending another boatload of bikes into the bottomless pit of hollvania just to get another order the next day

[grave quiver]

he didnt just mention it, it was part of the pre 1999 arg

[solid otter]

Ik, just referring to that specific note

I also don't fully know how much of the Albrecht in the arg was actually him

[grave quiver]

man i wish i could partake in space weed, but my genetic and enviromental susceptibilities are severe

[solid otter]

Dw we all do

[grave quiver]

i just wanna know what its like 💀

[solid otter]

Also, Albrecht mentioning the customisation for the atomicycles specifically for the hex is nice to me.

[grave quiver]

yeah. im torn between how to view him morally speaking

[solid otter]

He's human, imo.

Makes mistakes, has flaws, we all do

[grave quiver]

yeah

de is so good at writing characters that my lack of social skills is making it hard for me to talk to them

[solid otter]

Though I've seen people try to say Albrecht abused Euleria which was... interesting.

[solid otter]

No don't worry, Albrecht just has shit communication skills

[worn fjord]

I laughed way too hard at this convo yesterday. Like Lyon?! Hah love him

[solid otter]

HA

[grave quiver]

you can definitely argue endangering her by involving her in his clearly dangerous experiments

[worn fjord]

RIGHTTTTT LMAO

[solid otter]

She's an adult by that stage, she made the choice to do so imo

[teal valve]

Unsure why, but I’m liking talking to these new three people easier then the Hex. With the Hex I feel very stressed with them. These three, stress is like gone.

[solid otter]

They thought he left when she was a child, for some reason

[worn fjord]

Today's convo was wholesome tho

[grave quiver]

i dont want to know what happens when it finds out about those body parts 💀

[solid otter]

Like no dawg he left after she had her own children 😭

[grave quiver]

ah alr

i think the timeline is rather confusing ngl

[solid otter]

It sure isn't helped by the entrati either

[grave quiver]

and i vaguely recall he himself admitting he couldve been a better father for her

[worn fjord]

pls the image Lyon put in my mind is still there😂 😭

[solid otter]

He does, but he also seems himself as a literal wet rag, so its not entirely clear what tht means

He mentions.. I think "inconsistent vigor" when she was younger, but he never left her to her own devices. Loid was there for that.

[grave quiver]

yeah that might be what i was thinking of

[solid otter]

Albrecht doesn't think of himself as high n mighty

[grave quiver]

did she see loid as a parent though? parental bond is hard to replace

if she didnt see him as a parent then you could argue that its not really adequate to leave her to his care for extended periods, though its certainly much better than letting her wander

[solid otter]

She uh. Never had a proper mother, so he filled that place. And by how she treats necraloid, she definitely trusted him enough to tell him about her nightmares
-# she thinks necraloid is loid

[grave quiver]

then maybe its adequate. as long as they had a healthy parent child relationship then id say its alr

[solid otter]

Albrecht also seemed to have just come out of a bad relationship (an arranged marriage! Yuck.) So him being depressed as shit is understandable

[worn fjord]

Wait she thinks Necraloid is Loid?? Damn if I was Drifter I would’ve told her and the family the truth by now- about everything that’s happening in the basement

[worn fjord]

Glad DE included this stuff in the new update tho. I was like “finallyyyyy”

[solid otter]

I mean. He kinda is loid. But yeah. To the orokin, only the memories are important.

Loid was super close to the family, he used to play with Son and carry him around the gardens!

[worn fjord]

In a way and if that convo with Marie says something, Necraloid doesn’t have a soul technically yea? Only Otak

[solid otter]

The concept of Loid holding a child on his shoulders

[grave quiver]

i firmly believe its irresponsible and disgusting to willingly have a child if you are not equipped to raise them properly, including if youre struggling with past issues. ive suffered the consequences and its terrible to bring someone into a world where your problems dictate their life

[solid otter]

I don't think he had much of a choice 😭

[worn fjord]

I remember that lore tidbit!

[grave quiver]

im sorry i forgot he cant have a child wit loid for a moment 💀

brainrotted tenno forgets mpreg doesnt exist

[solid otter]

Albrecht mpreg... which is entirely possible actually

[grave quiver]

something something kuva

[solid otter]

He loves Euleria but didn't hold any feelings to her mother. Didn't even care that she died.

[hearty pendant]

-# what did i walk in on

[grave quiver]

i forgot albrecht didnt get loid pregnant with euleria (or vice versa) because im bad with time

despite valiant attempts im sure

[worn fjord]

Roathe mentioned something about this whole family thing, said something about the Orokin wanted Albrecht to settle down so they got him married (?) — but yea I totally get what you’re trying to say about the children part

[solid otter]

We dont fully know what orokin childcare is like. I suppose having carers is fine when the days are harder. Though that system would probably just be used for when a orokin wanted to rail their lessers again

[grave quiver]

i hate the "settle down and get married" attitude im so glad we blew them up

[solid otter]

It didn't even work for him either

[teal valve]

With the Orokin, childcare I feel the children might be taken away and raised by caretakers for a bit

[worn fjord]

Lmao true

[solid otter]

Might be better for them ngl

Certainly was better for me

[grave quiver]

im sure stuff like that becomes much less strict when polyamory is the majority situation in a society tbh

[teal valve]

Couldn’t we talk about our parents or someone one time?

[solid otter]

Railing your lessers? No that's like a giga bad thing

The orokin HATED it

[worn fjord]

Thank you for the screenshot, yes that’s the convo I’m talking about

[grave quiver]

oh mb i mightve misunderstood something

sorry im missing sleep i get confused sometimes

[solid otter]

Real

[worn fjord]

You mean in the KIM chats or..?

[solid otter]

The messing around with others part is true, they did that a lot

[teal valve]

KIM chats

[solid otter]

But they really didn't like going outside the caste

[worn fjord]

I think the only convo where we talked about it is Quincy’s convo. Just one

I don’t have the screenshot currently but yea

[solid otter]

Though, that didn't stop Albrecht or loid just being open about it in hopes to annoy the orokin

[worn fjord]

Although I will say that convo about Zariman and the parents was..more of Operator’s experience I think or maybe a blend of both

[teal valve]

Think was blend of both

[grave quiver]

was that not pre split when they were still the same person

[solid otter]

Ehh

Drifter could still have slight differences in their story

[worn fjord]

Lol the alternative universe (?) stuff confuses me but yea

[rancid pilot]

Marie mentions fighting the murmur and "others that I face", this is referncing the Descendium and not like general origin system gameplay right?

[teal valve]

Unsure

[uncut solar]

Everyone else in the sanctum

[rancid pilot]

it's interesting cause the devils triad can come and go from the sanctum anatomica at the very least, implying what's stopping them from going to the rest of the origin system (barring that problem that the only physical exit is through the Necralisk and risks exposing the Sanctum to the Family on accident)

[teal valve]

The Operator/Drifter seem to come and go easily

[uncut solar]

Future germs

[zenith jacinth]

The thing stopping them is the problem you're trying to exclude

[rancid pilot]

realistically, you're right, but I like to imagine being a proto-frame gives you a massive boost to your immunity

[grave quiver]

they probably stopped doing tuberculosis vaccines at this era so 💀

ancient pathogens

[zenith jacinth]

Infestation kills germs

[teal valve]

Origin system seems dangerous still

[uncut solar]

True enough

[grave quiver]

cant infect anyone if everyhtings already dead

[rancid pilot]

exclude ?

[zenith jacinth]

The only exit being through the sanctum

Necralisk

Not sanctum

Tired

[rancid pilot]

oh, so it is just that

[grave quiver]

i mean they could leave through the gaping hole and go into the void

[zenith jacinth]

Terrible idea

[grave quiver]

and die painfully but yk

[rancid pilot]

i imagine then some part of the Loid & Family reconcilliation involves them getting some freedom

[grave quiver]

wait doesnt marie have invisibility

[rancid pilot]

like travelling through a jungle covered in syrup

[grave quiver]

yk the whole invis while in the air thing

[zenith jacinth]

Only when in the air

[uncut solar]

If you throw her high enough

[grave quiver]

if we give roathe enough parkour velocity he can just pretend to be a bug

[uncut solar]

Son knows all bugs

He won't be fooled

[grave quiver]

you can leave without going too close to him i think

[uncut solar]

He will smell the sulfur and brimstone

[zenith jacinth]

More like travelling through almost literal hell that also makes your thoughts real if you get too emotional

[grave quiver]

drifter farts near him first

[uncut solar]

Masterful gambit

[uncut solar]

Ohhh nooo void please don't manifest me living a happy life and having an infinite supply of wealth oh noooo

I would be so scared

[rancid pilot]

you know what, just use Ash smokebomb or Ivara stealth arrow to help them leave

[zenith jacinth]

It doesn't work like that

[grave quiver]

shade prime is crying in the corner

[zenith jacinth]

Max range and duration baruuk lull

[real niche]

Someone has never heard of the Monkey's Paw before

[uncut solar]

I ate it

[grave quiver]

what about lyon tho

[uncut solar]

I ate him too

[zenith jacinth]

Do you feel it if someone makes one of the fingers curl

[grave quiver]

go back to the fields of riddah grendel

[uncut solar]

Tapeworm

[grave quiver]

stop voring the protoframes theyre traumatized enough

[uncut solar]

I'm not grendel

Im just stress eating

You never know when to stop

[grave quiver]

thats his whole thing

[zenith jacinth]

Eh, the triad aren't

[uncut solar]

First it's chicken nuggets, then it's a priest

[grave quiver]

lyon had a mental breakdown in my dms because rell was vocal stimming in his head

[zenith jacinth]

Lyon is just schizophrenic not traumatized

[grave quiver]

roathe is whimpering and begging me not to make him remember things

[grave quiver]

because mental illness isnt traumatic

because having mental illness cant traumatize you in the slightest

[zenith jacinth]

Does it count as schizophrenic when the demons and stuff are actually real

Hm

[grave quiver]

being mentally ill certainly isnt exceedingly traumatic...!

[zenith jacinth]

I get it

[grave quiver]

then acknowledge it?

💀 you didnt reply at all

[zenith jacinth]

Because I didn't deem it necessary

[grave quiver]

you deemed wrong 👍

[zenith jacinth]

Ok

[bleak reef]

Okay, so i think i got to a certain rank with a character of the hex and some... vision?? or smth popped up, what does that mean? That hes like saved now or what? (Didnt know if it was really a spoiler, so just typin it here to be safe)

[worn fjord]

That means you’re close to doing the second part of the Hex quest

Those scenes will appear when you reach “Liked” chemistry with each Hex member

[hearty pendant]

you're friends :)
interact with Kalymos for a little more context

[bleak reef]

Ohhhh, okay okay, thats dope

[remote raft]

Just got Marie backstory KiM

😭

[pastel pasture]

Do you think Entrati just has a feel for which protoframe best fits someone or does he scout first

[remote raft]

He has probably seen all their fates in one universe or another because eternalism

[zenith jacinth]

Both

[zenith jacinth]

Not how eternalism works

[remote raft]

Infinite Pandora box of Schrodinger's cats right

Picture change based on where your looking

[zenith jacinth]

No it's just multiverse theory with an unnecessarily complicated explanation

And alternate universes are inaccessible

[real niche]

Considering he's made time loops, he's had a LOT of time to experiment

[gentle cape]

this wasnt about entrati. this is about marie being allowed to whack the sexist proudly fascistic Orokin w a comically big hammer for all the sexist bs he keeps ragebaiting her with.

i just think roathe deserves to get his head severely bashed in.

yeah yeah marie is the nicest girl next door — she should go apeshit instead.

[pastel pasture]

I think roathe deserves a kiss

[shadow cairn]

I’m starting to understand how Marie got so attached to Albrecht in the first place… he’s a literal miracle worker/healer in her eyes… she’s almost literally no longer disabled. Whether or not she’s just kind of a step in a master plan, giving the ability of flight to a woman without working legs is uh… messiah type shenanigans.

I know there is more to it than that because she sees he’s actually repenting and means well and yada yada but like. Yeah I’d probably have a hard time seeing the person that singlehandedly “cured” my disability as anything other than inherently good at heart, no matter what else they’ve done.

[rancid pilot]

it's funny cause I assumed Lyon would be the more zealous, but it was Marie that has this unwavering faith in Entrati

[worn fjord]

I like how cautious Lyon is of Entrati (rightfully so) but is doing the best he can while protecting Marie in his own way

[zenith jacinth]

I'm too distrusting to be like that but I see the logic

[worn fjord]

Nah same but I can see why Marie is thinking the way she is about Entrati

[rancid pilot]

Marie and Lyon's relationship is sweet, they're very caring for each other and aren't dismissive about each other's faith/skepticism in Entrati

[worn fjord]

Yea it’s wholesome to see/read about

Considering the topics DE has written about, they’re doing a good job so far

Got more chats to go but yea

[rancid pilot]

Genuinely makes me wonder how the Roathe part of the triad is gonna work out, cause I don't think they'll keep loathing Roathe, perhaps at least come to an understanding

[zenith jacinth]

If roach fully repents I buy his skin

And stop calling him roach

[worn fjord]

We’ve been mending relationships so far so I’m guessing we’ll be helping with that eventually

[shadow cairn]

That is something I’m wondering about now. There’s no group chat like with the Hex. I’m guessing they’ll at the very least be less hostile in their banter at the cathedral?

[worn fjord]

Yea and the dialogue would probably change depending on the chemistry rank you have with them

Or maybe it would change only at the highest rank

[rancid pilot]

tbf it would be weird for them to have a groupchat, since they're using the same PC to chat with us

[worn fjord]

The banter that group chat would have lmaoo

[shadow cairn]

GOD yeah

[rancid pilot]

I like Roathe, and am completely biased, but man is TOO catty for his own good

[shy mauve]

So if the Protoframes can come from basically any point in History I want Kullervo's to be Warframe Julius Cesar simply because it'd be funny.

[zenith jacinth]

Give two of them tablets so they can be in a groupchat without the awkward switching

Extra reason, the typos

[worn fjord]

Someone will name their future pet cat after Roathe

[gray dagger]

I can't seem to get Roathe past 'Liked' with me

it's...kinda frustrating lol

[worn fjord]

Do you have “All KIM chats” option on?

[gray dagger]

no

do I need it selected?

[rancid pilot]

no, that makes it longer

[worn fjord]

Well that just makes things longer (it’s for those who don’t want to miss a chat in each rank)

[gray dagger]

he does give me lots of red text with my answers, though!

[gray dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/flustered-blushing-crumble-evaporate-disintegrate-gif-13851871632302418701

[worn fjord]

That’s good..! Maybe you’ll reach liked at next reset?

[rancid pilot]

so usually the KIM will skip to the next relationship rank of convos when you rank up, that option makes it so you do all of them

[zenith jacinth]

Funny artstyle

[tame canopy]

Thankfully, it's an unreliable narrator classic. DE likes doing that with KIM chats and the latest convos with the new characters, and IIRC even roathe said he's making conjecture on one of the branches

I do recall that in the sanctum, on Loids pc, the final note said after the new war, ballad opening all sort of void portals greatly increased indifference activities so personally I feel like Wally's more mysterious than roathe assumes

Mostly cuz IIRC roathe thinks there's a feedback loop with Wally and CE where people thinks he's strong so he becomes stronger and it keeps increasing as more people interact with wally like that

It is kinda interesting though, because in the branch I picked, he cited drifter as an example of what CE can do, conjuring a whole "universe" (Duviri) on my own

I feel like Drifter's an edge case though so idk how much stocks I'm putting in his example

[dry cove]

Same. I didn't even get a Roathe chat today and got 8 VMs instead. Hopefully that was just a bug and I'll get a Roathe chat tomorrow night.

[worn fjord]

That’s what happened to me yesterday. I’m wondering if it’s a bug but I got Roathe’s chat today so..you’ll get it tomorrow

[worldly dove]

whats this thermostat counter thing?

[hearty pendant]

relates to the ending you get w/ roathe
||higher is better, from what i hear||

[tight pagoda]

Huge

[night grail]

⛓️‍💥

Redundancy is a great thing

[tepid storm]

I miss Adis

[dry cove]

To be fair, I was grinding the Roathe boss fight to 21 yesterday. I think I did it to 25.

[dry cove]

||I think the higher it is, the more likely he'll be to want to redeem and be better.||

[worn fjord]

25 huh..bet you that Roathe is pissed😂 but yea dw it’ll be there tmrw

[covert dune]

Is it normal that are "friends" with Lyon after we first talk to him?

[dry cove]

At that point, he was just done with life.

[worldly dove]

"he" meaning roathe?

[dry cove]

Yes

[worldly dove]

interesting

so you want it to be high?

[dry cove]

||I was messing around in the Kimulacrum site with Roathe chats and I noticed the thermostat counter going up when you choose dialogue options that lean towards reforming, and going down when you choose to agree with his morally ambiguous worldview||. So maybe?

[solid otter]

I... don't think hes ever been shown to be sexist what? He just doesn't Marie cuz she is very devoted to the man who literally turned himself into a monster 😭

[solid otter]

Well, apparently Albrecht was in xx99 for... I think 3 years?

[solid otter]

Real lowkey

[worn fjord]

when I saw the thermostat, I kinda hoped it would impact the environment (orbiter/backroom)

[gray dagger]

thermostat counter...?

[worn fjord]

It’s in the flowcharts on that website

But yea the first time I saw it, thought there would be consequences in the environment, not just KIM

Uriel being Roathe’s Warframe and all

[jagged sable]

KIM spoiler from the Kimulacrum:
||It's a stat that's determined based on your dialogue choices with the triad. It determines whether Roathe is redeemed or accepts that he's a villain. the higher the stat, the more he'll be redeemed. the less, the more he's a villain. middle is where you won't be able to do either but you won't reconcile his memories. From what I've seen in the Kimulacrum, he'll want you to reset.||
A Funnier (to me) tl;dr way of explaining said KIM spoiler:
||High Thermostat Drifter: I can fix him.||
||Low thermostat Drifter: I can make him worse.||

[fiery surge]

Rothe being a sore loser and attacking anyways despite being dead is kinda funny

[supple dagger]

I have a question is Tau system stars going to explode? Since there is a white dwarf eating the blue star and it seems to be Supernova Type I. Am I wrong?

[solid otter]

Thats... just a binary star system tmk

[supple dagger]

I see thank you. I thought the star going to explode

[karmic thorn]

do i need to have both the entrati and cavia at rank 5 for roathe's deal?

[hearty pendant]

just entrati

[fading current]

dang

[tame canopy]

hell yeah!

[tropic horizon]

Still on the new war and WHATS HAPPENED TO FORTUNA?

[hearty pendant]

"Vox Solaris collapsed under Narmer. You're on your own here."

[pliant saffron]

Cried a Lil on that part, hits hard after having a few years of normal Fortuna

[tropic horizon]

I been playing this for two months and I might cry a bit

[pliant saffron]

Highly suggest going back and listening to the old and then new version of the song

[hearty pendant]

its a wonderful corruption

[tropic horizon]

I just did

[karmic thorn]

i wish they'd make fortuna go back to the colors of before new war after you complete the quest

[undone lodge]

Whatever you say, Ballas

[floral badge]

Roathe typing a whole page about Ballas 😭

Dont make me chose you over the french nun 😭

[rancid pilot]

Every Roathe convo has the shadow of Emet Selch hiding underneath the surface and I'm here for it

[tidal pumice]

I still don't understand that during the dactolyst fight at the end he tries to strangle u, but that's a warframe right?

y is that harmful anyway? I'd assume it's not affective at all

[hearty pendant]

you still feel the sensation of being choked even if it isn't you getting choked, just the frame

[tidal pumice]

so I feel getting shot everytime I get shot too?

[hearty pendant]

probably a lot duller, but yes

[tidal pumice]

huh never thought about it

[hearty pendant]

iirc teshin says something about it during the duviri paradox

[tropic venture]

Transference by all accounts makes the Warframe your own physical body

We know non-Tenno cannot Transference Warframes for long at all without risking just dying from the strain

[tropic horizon]

I FINISHED THE NEW WAR
also I'm dissapointed it took me so long to recognize what kind of evil Ballas is cause I've had experience with that kind of evil before and I'd hope I'd learn to recognize it.

also something that almost ruined it for me was a bug that gave my Drifter the deafult voice and changed their hair to match my Operator (I can see the possibility that wasn't a bug but I still don't like it.)

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter defaults to whatever your Operator looked and had a voice of they are the same person from a different timeline

[tropic venture]

You can also change how Drifter looks during TNW

[tropic horizon]

I could not figure out how to do that

[tropic horizon]

the voice didn't change to my Operators voice, it changed to the deafult

[tropic venture]

Transparent Drifter sillhouette next to the Somatic Link

[tropic horizon]

I saw that once
that's when it began, when I interacted with it I actually switched to the operator which I assume wasn't meant to happen but I couldn't switch back. then in the next mission the Drifter looked like my operator and sounded like a man (which neither my drifter or my operator should)

[cerulean kiln]

I remember there were people who thought they were different people so managed to have a male Operator and female Drifter when you get the customisation option

[tropic horizon]

I can see that happening

also, in one of the flashbacks on the ship
Operator: hey, lost your light?
Operator?: taps on wall
Me: none of the other students have the same hairstyle as you
Operator: you can take mine
Me: NONE OF THEM HAVE THE SAME HAIRSTYLE AS YOU!

[cerulean kiln]

“Hey, Kiddo I think I will”

[tropic horizon]

I am so ready for Whispers in the Walls (but it my birthday tomorrow so I got a full day before I can play it)

[tropic venture]

it's peak

[cerulean kiln]

Ballas made Wally more free by accident

[tropic venture]

I doubt Ballas even knows he exists

[tropic horizon]

yeah and HEY WHAT THE VOID WAS THAT BIG STONE THING WALLY WAS SITTING ON AFTER I KILLED BALLAS

[tropic venture]

even if Albrecht warned him I doubt Ballas would believe it

[tropic venture]

A vitruvian man, the symbol of reasoning and logical science, stuck in a wall

missing its right index finger

[tropic horizon]

it was so random I didn't know whether to laugh or be scared

[tropic venture]

the absurdity of it makes the scene

[cerulean kiln]

Same dude you met earlier in the quest in the light scene

Or deal scene

Whatever you wanna call it

[tropic horizon]

hmmm...

oh, and last thing before I go, is this the place to ask what "voice" people chose for Natah/Lotus/Murgalis?

cause I'm curious about which one people pick and why

[cerulean kiln]

Voice doesn’t matter cuz skins

Name permanent

[wild wind]

it's pretty evenly split afaik

[cerulean kiln]

Margulis is the objectively bad name

[wild wind]

Lotus-Natah-Margulis in order of popularity

I disagree, but I also don't feel like having that fight again

[tropic horizon]

I picked Natah cause she looks coolest

[wild wind]

All three are valid

Hunhow created her to be a weapon, Ballas created her to be a replacement, and the Lotus was the identity she assumed to fulfill both roles

[tropic horizon]

also I love how this quest boiled down all the big bads into more real characters (these are almost certainly gonna be wrong but it's my impression);
Hunhow, the depressed old man who doesn't care about anything but his children
Erra, the lost son who probably blames his dad for a few things but also blames himself
Ballas.... is just awful. to the void with him.

[wild wind]

you ain't seen nothing as far as Ballas hate goes

[tropic horizon]

It would be hard to find something he can do that I will hate more than the kind of person he is

[tropic venture]

https://tenor.com/view/eduardo-sterblitch-eduardo-sterblitch-laugh-smile-gif-21515066

[wild wind]

they don't know

[tropic horizon]

I will take your word for it

[wild wind]

once you do Jade Shadows go visit Teshin

that's all I'll say

[rancid pilot]

Ballas got a whole CVS receipt of shit we need him dead for

[gentle cape]

he comes off as very sexist to me. "witches were said to kiss the devil's ass. would you care to, marie." has so much lowkey misogyny packed in there (calling her a witch in a very derogatory tone & the next line is just. eugh.)

but im also very EXTREMELY biased against him so everything he says & does is a big red waving flag.

[solid otter]

...he just doesn't like marie. He does the same to Lyon. It only appears sexist to you because you have bias.

Hes calling her a witch because she quite literally is a witch

[gentle cape]

mhmhmm... anyway hes sexist.

[solid otter]

.. he's not

[gentle cape]

to me he is.

[solid otter]

Thats your opinion based on your bias.

Its not a fact, so don't say it is.

[gentle cape]

hes sexist

[solid otter]

... ew.

[cerulean kiln]

Just saying someone is sexist without anything suggesting it means nothing

[gentle cape]

it just means that i hate him so much i see him as that.

everything he says & does comes off in a very bad way.

[solid otter]

Yeah so you're biased and calling him something like that is actually bad and misleading

I don't like ballas, you won't see me saying he's a woman beater, despite the chances he might be

[gentle cape]

i think anyone who plays the game would disagree w me on this.

[solid otter]

... I play the game and I disagree with you.

[gentle cape]

so you can tell its not factual, its just bias... without needing me to say it.

[cerulean kiln]

Then just don’t say it

[solid otter]

Okay but others haven't spent literal weeks in the game and will believe your word as truth and fact.

We see it so horrifically often.

[gentle cape]

fair enough. i still think he is but wont say it anymore.

[solid otter]

Such as the misconception that primes are the originals

Or that only 1 prime was made

[undone lodge]

He gives those vibes because you’re partially right, it’s just not about it being women specifically

[solid otter]

He just hates on a individual basis

He was very different towards Nitokh

[gentle cape]

given how his first conversation is straight up dehumanizing the tenno kids, he hates on mass basis.

[cerulean kiln]

If you hate everyone equally it isn’t sexist

[undone lodge]

He’s an Orokin, he’s a smug and condescending guy who’s seen almost all others as beneath him for a very very long time and now has a particular dislike for Marie and Lyon

[gentle cape]

well. there goes lyon...

[solid otter]

He's understandably going to call warframes an it. It was a whole thing in their society. Warframes were objects. A decent chunk of the orokin empire wasn't even aware of the tenno and associated them with the warframes.

Tenno is often equivalent to warframes.

[gentle cape]

...thats not how i saw it. given how high in the hierarchy he was, as nitokh's right hand man + this conversation ("i see that little version of you, running around with its tenno friends...") he definitely knows who the tenno are & how the warframes operate.

[cerulean kiln]

They weren’t even aware of frames a lot of the times

[undone lodge]

In that specific chat he means the Operators, but he also generally doesn’t seem to actually like, objectify them, just a very literal dehumanising

[gentle cape]

"i assure you, it very much is." about the kid, the operator, not the frames.

he even sent a whole message calling the operators "child" so.. yeah, i disagree. he knew about the tenno.

[cerulean kiln]

There is an entry that says that the existence of frames and Tenno was only allowed to be seen by the 7 not a Vice Regent

[undone lodge]

Like aside from that he treats them as people so I think he legit just means he doesn’t see them as human

[gentle cape]

yup!

"im glad i never went against the tenno" as one of his idle voicelines too...

[gentle cape]

where is it?? bc thats news to me...

[pallid crypt]

What Mastery Rank is it safe to assume the other Tenno in my squad have done Second Dream, so I can use my operator/drifter without spoiling any potential babyTenno?

I want to level Amps, which means I need to take out my drifter/operator.
Doing it solo takes ages, so I still would like to go to places like Hydron for the leveling, what's the etiquette here?

[cerulean kiln]

Ordis fragment

“A mysterious weaponized armor controlled solely by the Tenno. Through the Warframe, Tenno can cheat death, channel the forbidden Void energies and face scores of enemies without fatigue. Due to apparent resistances of their Bio-Metal exoskeletons, Warframes can be safely deployed to Infestation Outbreaks, should they occur. In-depth information of the Warframe mandate is forbidden to all but the Seven.”

[undone lodge]

Tbf considering what they were doing I think Nitokh would clue him in regardless

[gentle cape]

so they knew about the tenno.

[cerulean kiln]

The 7 did

[gentle cape]

which nitokh was one of...

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[gentle cape]

& given his voicelines about the tenno, roathe knew about them too.

[undone lodge]

I think it just means that only the 7 inherently knew

Loads of other people still knew but it was like, on a need/convenient for superiors to know business

[cerulean kiln]

Definitely non 7 who knew stuff still
Margulis
Lotus
Hunhow and gang after Ballas decided to swap sides
I’d assume Silvana knew since she was told to make Titania

[undone lodge]

If I’m not misremembering didn’t see know about them using Margulis work/transference therapy into a weapon? So that’d be another point to her knowing

[cerulean kiln]

Silvana helped make the tech

[mental ice]

You might be onto something. Ballas had no reason to be there at the academy but if someone else sabotaged the codes, they would make Ballas into a target as well, an object of Tenno's vengeance.

[cerulean kiln]

She even used it on herself

[loud dock]

the vast majority of people didn't know about the fact they were immortal children being told to pilot infested war-machines; but they were known of

[loud dock]

IIRC: After you've done Second Dream, you no longer get paired with Tenno that haven't in the system.

aaaaat least thats how i remember how it works

[unique dagger]

i got the wolf text from marie today. i looked it up, she's either calling us a virgin or sweetie

[fierce summit]

It’s not virgin because calling someone a virgin requires saying that they’ve “never seen the wolf”

Because the wolf is a euphemism for the… uh… frank and beans

So it’s either sweetie (it’s almost certainly this one), a complement for our go getter attitude, or she’s calling us a pee-pee

-# pls DE i just want to say swears let me talk about the bepis

[unkempt pawn]

Yall can anyone confirm that Projectiles coming from Uriel's skills and Brimstone going through walls?

If its a bug or an unnamed feature?

[scarlet ginkgo]

just to check, the max kills for Roathe's story is 21, right?

[unique dagger]

hmm like the number of levels?

[scarlet ginkgo]

number of kills

like, how many times do you need to defeat him

[unique dagger]

i know, im also linking it to the number of levels in descendia

[scarlet ginkgo]

Oh that was a cheeky reference. I thought you were asking for clarification lmao

[undone lodge]

It is

[thick jolt]

Considering mr isnt tied to quests, there isnt a "safe range"

[thick jolt]

That was never a thing

@pallid crypt
Oh just thought of a thing they would need to have completed second dream to reach all the planets needed for steel path

[pallid crypt]

True, but I am assuming that if someone is above a certain MR, they are likely to have done the important quests.
Still, any recommendation on how I can avoid spoiling the BabyTenno otherwise, short of literally wacthing to see fi they all use their operators? 😅

[pallid crypt]

Ok, so Steel path should be safe, at least

[thick jolt]

@pallid crypt Another thing you could use is check to see which junction requires second dream completion, any planet after that would be safe; and any mission unlocked afterwards, like for example ropalolyst is a mission on an earlier planet like jupiter but only unlocks after later quests

[pallid crypt]

Oh, good point! I'll do some digging then, thanks!

[unkempt pawn]

Up to 21

After 21 he will either be scared of you and thinking youre looting his corpse

Or he will mention he thought of 21 reasons for 1 thing

And another 21 reasons to not that thing

[scarlet ginkgo]

if you want to be safe, just quickly check their profiles. If they have done the quest, the operator will be shown next to their warframe

[unkempt pawn]

I honestly do not check bc i dont normally play on public servers

Unless radshares or circuit

And comms are null during those times

[scarlet ginkgo]

In practice, warframe is chaotic enough that most people, especially new players might miss it entirely

But if you wanna be safe, the only way to confirm it quickly enough is that

[limpid hinge]

kinda wished there was a endless mode for this

[shadow forum]

Which one left or right.

[limpid hinge]

both

[shadow forum]

Endless with no ending rounds like you mean.

[opaque dove]

Descendia could done like Duviri and Perita could have 12 minute rotations, swapping between each boss

[daring shuttle]

😭

i gotta restart from the start noooo

Im in great pain

[bold cliff]

Uriel is presented to the Operator in the same exact pose Excalibur Prime ended Adis' fight in prior to revival

[daring shuttle]

Nvm its easier now that i know pathd

[bold cliff]

Idk if it was intentional or not, but the fact that the palms are up on Excalibur ala-crucifixion style

[terse steeple]

probably already discussed here but i was wondering where lotus went, as shes not at the edge of sanctum after the old peace and found her in the refractory room behind loid in the sanctum lmao

[frigid relic]

Since when could you physically visit her?

[cerulean kiln]

Since like the first Hotfix

[balmy storm]

Since lotus eaters technically
She moves to the refractory post old peace

If you go where she used to be you can find the pager that initially teased 1999

[pallid crypt]

That's a nice idea, thanks!

[uncut solar]

Why did she drop it :(

[frigid relic]

In spoiler chat?

[cerulean kiln]

Holding something 24/7 hurts the hands

[cerulean kiln]

He is quest relevant tbh

[pseudo turret]

Nobody talks here much so I put that there but if you want spoilers I’ll say it

ADIS dies

[solid otter]

Homedawg why do we have almost the exact same lotus

[uncut solar]

does Lyon speaking to you depend on chemistry with Marie? Or is there some other factor?

[undone lodge]

Yeah

I think it’s like, Rank 3?

Yeah

He also starts at that though so unfortunately, less convos

[uncut solar]

Hm

[undone lodge]

Though maybe his are generally longer to make up for that, I haven’t checked

[uncut solar]

Guess I'm not very good at conversing with her, looking that a lot of people reached him

[undone lodge]

Do you have all KIM chats on?

[uncut solar]

Yeah

Maybe that's the reason

[undone lodge]

Yeah, it is

You need to complete all the chats to move on with it, but people who don’t just have to reach the chemistry for the next rank, missing any convos they didn’t get before that

You should get it like tomorrow or the day after

Assuming you didn’t start late

[terse steeple]

XD great minds think alike

[worthy escarp]

Question
is there any other "Dream of X" quote other than
"Dream not of what you are but of who you want to be" (2nd dream) and
"Dream of who we were, and of who we have become" (new war)

[daring shuttle]

i finnaly finished it
aura farming nezha

[pseudo turret]

Some pics

Marked as spoilers cuz it has the operator and some baby Tenno don’t know what that is

[rotund belfry]

i ahve the zenurik grimoire and all that but the pages that are supposed to increase str duration and allat dont spawn and sometimes i dont even have the icon to use the ultimate

[wise solstice]

It’s only for Rebellion I think

[rotund belfry]

idk soem times it shows in normal missions

[broken monolith]

Is it quicker to farm the tauron strike materials in steel path mode

[livid glen]

Yes, assuming you can easily kill the bosses, since otherwise it's the same length.

[soft pumice]

WHY can't I have this as a somacord track https://youtu.be/eUQQnsjpcIY?si=hbKvHeGdKxrAM4dr

[covert dune]

Roathe and Nitokh had a plan to conquer the orokin empire and the end of that plan was to betray one another. Maybe this was a similar situation but idk

[cunning current]

Did anyone else try to use transference on Uriel when we first saw him?

[soft pumice]

I didn't

[wild wind]

I did, but only because the game bugged

and I thought maybe I'd missed a cue to do it

[floral badge]

Yeah....right...

[pure merlin]

Can you mess up with the Devil's Triad like with the Roundtable? Like, being stuck on a certain rank or not being able to date anyone ?

[undone lodge]

Kinda

You can get NoDates, you can get bad ends with Roathe and also if you choose a combination of certain choices you get stuck as “Anathema” to him

IIRC there might be a way to get stuck with Marie?

[pure merlin]

Yeah, I see, I'm gonna guess if I'm still unable to ask Roathe out on reset later today I messed up? Had a weird interaction yesterday, not sure if anyone's already managed to date someone in DT or if it's still too early

[undone lodge]

Should still be too early I think? I’m on all KIM chats so my progress is slower than most people

[pure merlin]

Yeah I see, good luck to you on that

[tight pagoda]

"This is what you are" is one of the big lines in the game (there's a track named that, which is definitely the title track if there was one, it's reprised in a lot of things), and variations of it are said frequently. I don't think that exact phrase is said anywhere though.

||Natah|| has a variant of it at the end of Sacrifice where ||she goes "This is what I am" when revealing her Sentient form||

[solid fern]

Will hildryn ever be allowed to damage arctic eximus bubbles

[feral barn]

So as anyone confessed they aren't a follower of Sol to Marie?

[uncut solar]

I said that I have no faith

After a bit of questioning she found it fascinating

And wanted to ask more about it

[feral barn]

I never said I had no faith, just that I had my ow way of seeing things and she also found it fascinating

[uncut solar]

The illusion of free choice

[amber terrace]

Lyon is asking about the Void T~T

[feral barn]

Also apparently I nearly made Marie fall off her chair

[vale ledge]

😄

[simple python]

Forgive me, what was uriel's subsume?

[uncut solar]

What's the honoria for it?

[uncut solar]

His heal

DRASTICALLY weakened though

[simple python]

REMEDIUM? fffffffff

I was hoping for Infernalis. God.

[uncut solar]

Yeah a bit sad but oh well

[simple python]

My Ember idea out the drain.

[simple python]

I'm... as of right now struggling to build Ember's Immolation. I'm testing the waters rn, levelling her up, I'm maybe planning Concentration/Augmented if she's consistent at kills like Uriel.

I'm still a bit miffed DE hasn't added a singular Efficiency arcane.

[uncut solar]

Probably because there's a hard cap on it without diminishing returns, and you can already reach it if need be

[simple python]

If need be— dump duration.

[uncut solar]

There's balance to be found in 95% duration

[simple python]

I'm trying to strike that chord on a nice balance for a generalist Ember.

I have no idea what entails. I hope not unfinished mods. I'll return. I must build.

[uncut solar]

I believe in you

[agile cipher]

I have a question about Lyon, I have gotten Marie to Trusted, and have been able to talk to Lyon in person for a hot minute, but I still don't get any KIM conversations with him, is it broken or is there some Marie conversation that activates him?

[jagged sable]

that's weird. =/
I mean, when I got Marie to "Liked", Lyon messaged me after the next daily reset. I would assume would work the same way for everyone.

[agile cipher]

I thought the same, so I've been waiting everyday for the reset, but I'm getting worried now that I've reached the next rank and still nothing. Hope I don't have to reset and it'll just fix itself at some point

[frigid canopy]

I have two questions:

One - Do u guys think we'll ever get an official date on when this game takes place? I'm guessing around 30th to 40th century, and I hope I'm not way off.

Two - I got Roathe's text about Marie fighting with pupperhorse. Will I actually have to mediate between those two now?

[obtuse gyro]

One: no

Two: Maybe? Not sure

[night zephyr]

Must be a bug because once I got to "Liked" with Marie I went to talk with Lyon, got access to his shop, and the next daily reset, he had a message on the KIM.

[agile cipher]

Man that sucks, really didn't want to miss any of the dialogue or have to reset, I guess at some point I'll reset The Devil's Triad and see if that fixes it

[night zephyr]

I hope it resolves for you because it would be a major bummer if you had to reset them to fix it :[

[agile cipher]

I was thinking of putting in a ticket and seeing if they can force the chat to activate on my account, but I don't want to hog their tickets with something so minimal

[solid otter]

Maybe you messed up Marie's chat somewhere?

Maybe it happens if you're giga against Albrecht? She might not like that i think

[agile cipher]

Shouldn't have, I did go back and check all my dialogue with her to be certain and nothing seems to have caused it

[agile cipher]

I've actually been the opposite, I've been willing to hear her out on him, just to be sure none of them would hate my guts off the get go

[night zephyr]

Yeah it's most likely some sort of bug because I don't recall there being any hard shut-out options from the get-go

[agile cipher]

What I think might've happened is I used to have the "Play all KIM Conversations" turned on, this was when I reset the Hex to get through all of it. The day of the update, I talked with Marie and then remembered I had it on and turned it off, maybe that caused the system to bug out

[night zephyr]

That and you were not picking inflammatory responses to begin with

Ah ye could have been that

[agile cipher]

That sucks, I guess I'll use the forget feature at some point in the future, when I'm done with all the dialogue for the rest of the cast

[neat osprey]

Lyon had some top tier decoration

Definitely worth

[agile cipher]

The funny thing is, I got access to his wares, but bro does not want to talk to me through the chat

I even got some stuff from him for my backroom

[fiery oyster]

gotta respect DE for this

they know themselves its a tough topic so they have an option to disable it

man

went deeper than I thought it would

[rugged quest]

I think I've noticed a couple of grammar mistakes in the triad's dialogue, the bottom response should be "still believes"

[fiery oyster]

ah, it can happen

[night zephyr]

I recall my conversation with Roathe today involving his saying "welp of a daughter" where I think he meant to say "whelp"

I don't really mind the typos, I know they aren't intentional but they're funny to me

[rugged quest]

lore reason: theyve never used a keyboard before so they mess up, unlike the hex

[night zephyr]

Real, also I always make mistakes typing so it's ok if my drifter does too 🙂‍↕️

[rugged quest]

real, my pom-2 underlined a typo in the message i just sent which is ironic

[remote raft]

I had to shoot my shot

I say it was worth

[rain otter]

I would keep it on and just wait.

The all conversations option I mean.

[agile cipher]

I’m going to try doing that, thank you!

[zenith jacinth]

well, her response was positive

[remote raft]

Indeed it was

[gray dagger]

now we're getting somewhere

[obtuse gyro]

man my VMs have been blocking out the KIMS from roathe now

[reef compass]

huh, I feel like I might have been baited by a heavy theme option with Lyon that has avoided maybe some big revelation

giving trigger warnings for options is what I mean

which is GOOD, of course, but when the answer doesnt quite develop, idk