spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

Ticker’s too pretty omg

[real niche]

No. I'm not home and didn't do all the KIMs each day so I wouldn't even be caught up.

[quick smelt]

Ticker and Clem are simply too based to have flaws

[shadow forum]

He is saying something about void stuff.

[undone lodge]

Even with the Entrati, they were in some way or another bad enough for Son, with much of his memories of that time gone, to think that they had had it coming

[thick jolt]

"Saying something about void stuff" to "wally is the one who brought evil" is an incredibly wild jump that needs elaboration

[drifting sparrow]

saying something about void stuff could mean literally anything

[shadow forum]

True but we will come to that,once we see bigger picture of that stuff? But not yet it needs a time .

[real niche]

Just screen shot the convo dude

[thick jolt]

.....

[shadow forum]

Tommorow, not today.

[real niche]

You're rambling like an insane person

[shadow forum]

[cerulean kiln]

I think they mean the CE chat

[real niche]

Well I wouldn't know

[quick smelt]

Wally could have simply said “Want some Argon crystals?” Clearly

Wait
I get it now

Wally simply wants his Argon Crystals back

[drifting sparrow]

like the one where roathe suggests wally was created through conceptual embodiment? that doesn't really have much of a connection to what they were talking about earlier that i can see

[shadow forum]

Argon crystals are temporary item,that dissappear after couple of days.
Which they get brought back to the void by itself.

[balmy storm]

But
They always go back to the void anyway…

[cerulean kiln]

This, yeah

[balmy storm]

The void isn’t doing it it’s just a natural process iirc

[cerulean kiln]

Might be wrong

[undone lodge]

Nono, it’s the prisma crystals he wants

[thick jolt]

Still nothing relating to "wally brought evil to the system"

So idk what they were on about

[quick smelt]

Not the ones we used for crafting 😔

[cerulean kiln]

No, it’s the finger crystal he wants

[undone lodge]

The argon crystals are clearly just his attempt at a peace offering, crystals loaned out for a short while

[shadow forum]

[cerulean kiln]

Argon Crystals are Wally trolling us

[balmy storm]

Yeah lmao
I wonder how those work, maybe they help to stabilizer things and then disintegrate? Or, at least for the frames due to them being void powered the crystals stabilize?

[shadow forum]

Wally deals are like when devil deals,where you give your own soul for something in return certain stuff.

[thick jolt]

And?

[balmy storm]

We don’t know what we owe him

Or even if Baro owed him anything at all

It could be that he can only do whatever he did with us and Baro through someone else

[quick smelt]

“Kiddo, please, stop taking my argon crystals.”
“KIDDO STOP, IM TIRED OF MAKING MORE FOR MY GEM COLLECTION!”
“KIDDO!”

[balmy storm]

But i wanted to make prime warfam 🥺

[shadow forum]

Hey when wally appears in our ship, what his words were for tenno,except hey kiddo

[cerulean kiln]

You’re not in the Prime Vanguard unfortunately

[balmy storm]

[quick smelt]

True ending
We give Wally an Argon cluster
Everyone happy

[undone lodge]

You are in this Vanguard, but we do not grant you the rank of Prime

[shadow forum]

Nah he is samurai at this point.

[balmy storm]

Oh ok
I can work with this

[rain otter]

Both.

[balmy storm]

?

[rain otter]

It's not Wally Doing it himself. It also is Natural. It's a void element slowly returning to the Void.

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah that’s what I was saying lol

[rain otter]

Yee

[balmy storm]

When I said the void isn’t doing it I’m saying it isn’t a sapient being doing things lol

[rain otter]

Yee

[ionic cloak]

Me getting at least 5 argons per event's alert

[balmy storm]

I got the forever honor after like 2 missions lol

[cerulean kiln]

Probably why they boosted it tbh

Probably thought they’d all expire before we could get it

[balmy storm]

Oh did they?

[cerulean kiln]

It’s following gift of the lotus type rules

You don’t usually get this much Argon by doing a single quick mission even with Nekros

[keen wedge]

NOOO

[half light]

did roathe always have the tail ?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

Well

Ever since being framed

[half light]

im curious since it looks like it's part of his normal uniform

[fluid spoke]

I've noticed it's been dropping the argon more since ToP first released, before the event

[jovial pollen]

Maybe he embraced the tail and gave it armor too

[balmy storm]

Or the infestation grew the tail into his armor

He def cant take the armor off anymore

[solid otter]

Oh yeah where is this said btw

[obtuse gyro]

his idles in the cathedral

[solid otter]

Ah shit.

[shadow sphinx]

one of his idles, yes

[solid otter]

I assume that's from when you unlock him?

Well that's good to know 😭

[shadow sphinx]

iiiii think so, yes

[solid otter]

Oh yeah, he unlocks at friendly w Marie yeah?

[shadow sphinx]

i also got a bit of a spoiler from a kimulacrum snooper lmfao 😭 but that's for later

[shadow sphinx]

liked

[hearty pendant]

i think its Liked w/ Marie triggers it
because his chats start at rank 3

[shadow sphinx]

yups

[solid otter]

... oh

Balls

Oh for hells sake

I got the "what do you think of entrati" conversation w Marie

Oh yay. I can be myself w it

... now im sad.

[hearty pendant]

yea the options are pretty fair regarding entrati i believe
negative / mostly neutral / positive

[solid otter]

||Albrecht treating Marie as a normal person.. woa....||

[gentle cape]

about the last cutscene between margulis & operator,, was that opie going into the second dream or...?? bc if so, did they wake up again at the night of the naga drums, kill everyone, go back to cryosleep, only to wake up again & this time by natah??

[covert dune]

I think my game is bug but idk. My stat with Marie is not going up. I already had all conversations with her that ended in a "good ending" with all the conversations having at least 1 red text but my relationship is stuck at "Known".

[solid otter]

||HE DID THE THING. HE CROUCHED DOWN SO HE COULD TALK TO MARIE||

https://tenor.com/view/kdaeza-peepo-pepe-the-frog-pepe-stream-gif-26364205

[hearty pendant]

yea, margulis will put the tenno into the second dream a little after, hiding them away on lua (they're still in control of the warframes tho), then she gets executed
they don't wake back up for the drums, only really waking up way later during TSD quest

[gentle cape]

........if they didnt wake up, who killed the Orokin??

[idle field]

What's y,alls opinion of albrecht?

[gentle cape]

hate him. i need to throw him into the sun as soon as possible.

[hearty pendant]

the warframes, under the control of the second dream tenno, under the control of the lotus

[gentle cape]

oooooooh okokokok,, now its making sense. ty!

[solid otter]

I think he is a man trying to forgive himself and right his wrongs. He's human, to me.

[covert dune]

Yeah my game is defo bugged. I could not even have a conversation with Roathe

[solid otter]

I think people like to dismiss the fact he is, under all the flash and sparkle, is a human who has flaws

[gentle cape]

youll find two types of ppl when asked about albrecht

[hearty pendant]

VMs will occasionally take the place of a regular convo if they're sitting there
or you've managed to not gain enough chemistry w/ him to progress his chats. which is possible, though it seems like you really have to be trying to do so

[solid otter]

Eh. I don't see why everyone else is held to a different standard than he is. We ourselves kill countless, yet we are not half as evil.

... somehow.

[balmy storm]

He’s a horrible man who does horrible things to try and stop something he caused
He has good intent when it comes to stopping Wally but just. Horrid actions.

He’s not anywhere near Ballas or the Seven ofc and I do believe he has been forced to change but that doesn’t excuse what he’s done nor that he must pay for his actions.
For the greater good excuses nothing.

[idle field]

I'm conflicted about how I feel about albrecht cause he left Loid and his family and he is using the serum on people by tricking them and causing them suffering everything about him angers me. But I feel if I wanted to attempt to be with Marie I'd have to pretend to kiss albrecht ass and pretend he is a holy deity

[obtuse gyro]

ah but see, he is not the we, and the we is infallible

[obtuse gyro]

that is the worst way to get with marie lmao

[solid otter]

Mhm

[covert dune]

I mean, the guy was both desperate to save his race and also prove to everyone he was not a failure.

[obtuse gyro]

aint gon have no relationship when its built on lies

[hearty pendant]

this applies to most relationships. in and out of game

[solid otter]

He held no love for the orokin. He wanted to prove himself, not for the orokin's sake.

[idle field]

That's why I haven't romance her

I can't bring myself to lie about my hatred of him

[solid otter]

That and the update is barely a week old

[covert dune]

"Uriel, heretic of Xata. On your exhile answer, can the Orokin be forgiven" This does include him. "Can I be forgiven" "Can you be forgiven"

[balmy storm]

I think the difference is that we are killing horrible groups that specifically go after and harm innocent people where as Albrecht specifically injected people with the infestation with his own goals in mind

The tenno aren’t good guys, we aren’t batman or superman, but we’re helping people the only way we know how
Which
Albrecht is also kinda doing but in a much more terrible way, he isn’t about saving innocents but putting the genie back in the bottle

[solid otter]

Also

He was forced to leave the family. If he was to stay, he would've gotten them killed.

[covert dune]

Ik but he started his experiments on the void cause of the crisis the Orokin were going through with the lack of resources, he saw potential in the void and he wanted to explore it.

[gentle cape]

-# the answer is no for both of them imo but thats just me & my Orokin-hating ass.

[balmy storm]

As individuals, yes
As a society, no

[solid otter]

HA. No. The grineer are forced into the life they are in, yet we hold no pity for them

[idle field]

Not much difference they almost killed each other

[obtuse gyro]

as a society not anymore

[solid night]

Comparing albrecht to the executors is like comparing Grok ai to other ai

[balmy storm]

I mean so are the Corpus with debt
It doesn’t change the fact they’re actively harming innocent people

[solid otter]

We still kill them indiscriminately, we let kahl and clem live because others tell us to.

[obtuse gyro]

on account of yknow, them being dead

[covert dune]

Defo

[balmy storm]

They lack a choice and so do we, we stop them or everything goes terrible!

[hearty pendant]

i don't use ai what the hell does this mean

[solid otter]

And so are we??

[balmy storm]

We aren’t?

[gentle cape]

beats me im also confused

[covert dune]

Not all Orokins are bad, but it was always an Orokin

[solid otter]

Why are the tenno, or the drifter for that matter, held to a different standard?

[balmy storm]

The tenno only harm those that harm the innocent lol

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, aint we got Defection?

[balmy storm]

Name a good Orokin who wasn’t forced to change by their circumstances

[gentle cape]

exactly! its 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% always an Orokin.

[shadow sphinx]

he's the guy of all time. i have several questions as to how and why roathe happened (haven't finished the 21 runs lmao so shush), but also... who would in their right mind give someone a harrow-based serum aka the free real estate nightmare fuel?... but we will see what's up when we get there, i guess.
man's scrambling to fix many a mistake, by methods he knows best 🤷‍♂️ frustratingly human of him, what can i say

[balmy storm]

Because of why they do it

[obtuse gyro]

because thems not the we, and the we is infallable

[solid otter]

... we are harming innocents. That's the thing.

[solid night]

Basically when ai got asked the trolley question but instead of the one person it was the servers keeping them alive all ai except Grok picked the five people

[obtuse gyro]

eh?

[balmy storm]

What innocents lmao

[gentle cape]

?????????

[balmy storm]

The Orokin weren’t innocent
The Grineer aren’t innocent
The Corpus aren’t innocent

[gentle cape]

whats happening to the conversation....?

[obtuse gyro]

gotta define your "innocents" there thomas

[balmy storm]

We don’t go after civilians, they do

[solid otter]

Those people had no choice in what they are doing. Grineer are quite literally bred for it.

If the tenno are innocent, then so are the grineer.

Which isnt true.

[obtuse gyro]

ehhh

[solid otter]

We are just as bad as them imo

[obtuse gyro]

theres a sideline to the tolerance paradox somewhere

[gentle cape]

...i disagree but im also not in the right mindspace to say why so im gonna let. people speak.

[covert dune]

The Tenno had to change by circumstances, the sentient had to change by circumstances, the grineer, corpus, even the infestation. That doesn't change for the Orokin. Margulis changed for her love of the Tenno. Ballas loved Margulis, he was a good guy until his jelousy made him a horrible monster. Albrecht was a famous scientist until his obsession with the void cost him everything

[solid otter]

But people refuse to accept that we are not the best people ever and ever.

[obtuse gyro]

like I said, thems not the we, and the we must be infallable

[balmy storm]

And the tenno don’t have much of a choice either lol
And the tenno are not innocent at all lmao

[solid night]

Unrelated but the name Granus Roathe sounds British

[solid otter]

Actually, he wasn't. Albrecht was deemed as... not insane, but... odd, peculiar and not liked. It was only when he became useful, he became famous. Then quickly was discarded as insane.

[balmy storm]

I mean the Tenno were changed by their circumstances but they have always been children
Also all Orokin factually commit murder through continuity, that’s murder for the sake of immortality it’s a purely selfish action

[obtuse gyro]

I don't think we can properly attribute "innocence" to combatant forces, on any side

[solid otter]

Mhm.

[balmy storm]

The tenno aren’t innocent

[solid otter]

Which is why i constantly find it silly people excuse the tenno

[balmy storm]

But they fight for the innocent

[solid otter]

Sure they're children, but then that argument will go for the grineer

Who are effectively "children"

Which it doesnt.

[balmy storm]

I think that only works if they all come out with the intelligence of a child

[real niche]

The Tenno are trying a hell of a lot harder to not step over everyone else, regardless of any lack of being absolutely good.

[obtuse gyro]

regardless or not if they have a choice, combatants are combatants, and its a fools game to attribute any type of morality to the isolated fact that combatants fight each other

[gentle cape]

...can grown adult clones be children?

genuinely asking.

[balmy storm]

The tenno aren’t fully excusable but more so due to what and for who they fight for, which is those who cannot fight for themselves

[covert dune]

I mean, we know the sentients were not the bad guys and even after the war the Tenno fought and brought both the sentient and Orokin to extinction. I mean there are some sentients around still and probably more on Tau. We don't know if Ballas was the last Orokin too

[obtuse gyro]

but thats why we look at whats the intent, whats the result and then we can do all that funny number crunching for the various ethical models

[hearty pendant]

the entrati family:

[solid night]

I mean I’ve see no one bring this up but what about kall and Clem do you guys see them as grown adults were as children

[real niche]

We help the people who do want to do better, like the guys in Defection or when Darvo wants to break from the Corpus

[balmy storm]

The sentients weren’t brought to extinction what
As far as we know they’re still vibing in Tau

[solid otter]

They are born into the adult forms, they could very well have the mental capacity of a child. Its kinda the reverse of the tenno, I suppose.

[covert dune]

They are not Orokin anymore. Just like ballas said when he was converted "She took my humanity"

[balmy storm]

Also the sentients shot first-

[balmy storm]

I mean they are Orokin, just infested

Roathe is still an Orokin

[solid night]

Like Kall and Clem actually most of the steel Meridian and the perrin sequence

[covert dune]

Yes and no. They were on the border of extinction so they retired to Tau, Natah to defend her people sneaked into the base were the Tenno were and wanted to kill em but she felt pitty for em and was captured, we know what happened next. Also they rebeled against the Orokin for treating em as slaves.

[covert dune]

Yes good point

[balmy storm]

What
No they
They literally shot first! The Orokin got to Tau and the sentients attacked according to Roathe

[hearty pendant]

they were sent to tau to build the solar rail. they built the rail, the orokin came through, then the sentients attacked

[covert dune]

According to the Orokin the Orokin are innocent...

[balmy storm]

The sentients attacked cause they wanted Tau, which honestly valid

[balmy storm]

They aren’t lmao

And neither are the sentients

[hearty pendant]

roathe is the least biased source we've actually gotten regarding this

[balmy storm]

The only innocent people in Warframe are those who don’t, or more accurately can not fight

Aka
Civilians
Whom the Tenno fight to protect

Also why SM is one of the best syndicates, they actively help civilians

[obtuse gyro]

roathe doesnt even call the orokin innocent lmao

[balmy storm]

We take everything he says with a grain of salt
But also some of what he says has to be accurate enough otherwise why put it in, especially his voice messages

[fiery oyster]

OH so thats why Wisp floats

[covert dune]

It was a way to say it. The Orokin says that the Orokin did not shoot first. I guess that Roathe is the best source we currently have yes but let's remember he is still an Orokin

[fiery oyster]

I had originally assumed it was due to the infestation or something else

[covert dune]

She literally has deformed legs broda, both in the Warframe and Marie

[balmy storm]

It was from a voice message which likely only exists to give us a more accurate telling of the Orokin

[delicate glacier]

I just realized....
The Dark Refractory provides a lore reason for being able to replay quests

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, roathe also repeatedly said that the orokin got what they deserved, so if you put those together, the sentients shot first, the orokin deserved it

[balmy storm]

It plays the sound when you replay quests!

[fiery oyster]

yeah I assumed it was the strain that did it not the fact she was actually disabled

[covert dune]

Yes, Roathe knows every time you kill him and even counts it.

[fiery oyster]

doesnt explain why we can pull resources out of it though

[obtuse gyro]

pool magic

[hearty pendant]

yea, he doesn't have a massive amount of reason to lie about most of the stuff he tells us
grain of salt is a good way to treat his info

[covert dune]

Answer: It's a game

[fiery oyster]

well.. yeah lol

[covert dune]

Yeah true.

[hearty pendant]

tbf it's also playing the sound when any quest mission starts, not just replays
so that bit might be a little bugged

[balmy storm]

Oh does it?
That might indeed be a bug lol

Either way dark refractory makes replayable stuff canon!

[delicate glacier]

Pool magic. Also, we're right next to an opening to the void realm, allowing conceptual embodiment to function and pull tangible material out of dreams

[balmy storm]

That includes bosses maybe?

[hearty pendant]

yea, it should be kept for quest replays if possible

[balmy storm]

My main issue is how we get resources from the memory bath lol

CE? Cause
Deeply emotional stuff???

[delicate glacier]

@balmy storm

[balmy storm]

They could just make it the sound if you click the replay button lol

[balmy storm]

Oh hi lol

Also CE can occur outside of the void but it’s very rare

See; Belric and Rania

The literal single example of the void reacting to strong emotions outside of the void

[delicate glacier]

Yes, but that was because their emotions were just THAT strong

Here in the labs, next to the void, way easier

[balmy storm]

Though iirc they would have been in the void at some point if Citrine kept them on Deimos after the bomb?
But idk bout the exact timeline on that, sorry

[balmy storm]

Yee
Sorry I wasn’t trying to invalidate your point, it was more a fun fact lol

[fiery oyster]

Lyon is an interesting person to chat with

he's asking about Duviri and the Void, if given form, is it real

issue is gettting close to religion lol

[balmy storm]

I haven’t been able to yet

So ima go so you can talk about it

[fiery oyster]

nah its fine, convos over lol

was hoping to spark a convo but I dont think anyone else has seen it yet lol

[balmy storm]

Oh dang lol

Well I’ll prob go do my KIM soon so if I get it I’ll say somethin’

[short moat]

Hi

[rain otter]

well no.

yes and no.

[fiery oyster]

lol

which is it, man?! lol

[rancid pilot]

Protoframe Wisp floats because of her legs

We're not 100% why (or if there even is a specific reason) why regular wisp floats

[hearty pendant]

was designed to
basically it

[fiery oyster]

arent the Protoframes like the warframes before the Primes and regular?

[hearty pendant]

chronologically, yes, but they depend on the warframes already existing to be made

[covert dune]

I mean, it's not like we already have other warframes that can float... (Dante and Caliban for example)

[fiery oyster]

Dante cause he's a Warlock lol and Caliban cause Sentient

[pliant saffron]

Proto wisp had no lower half of her legs, the strain probably focused on supporting that due to that reason

[rain otter]

they are made after in like a way you would understand.

[covert dune]

And a wisp is like a floating light

[rain otter]

they get injected with samples from existing warframes.

they are even "MATCHED" to the warframe they are most "LIKE"

[fiery oyster]

oh

[rain otter]

it seems or something similar.

[fiery oyster]

hm

[covert dune]

Protoframes are injected by the Technocyte virus but the infection instead of taking the whole body it takes a controled portion

[wild wind]

kinda ish?

[pliant saffron]

So what your telling me is...... If Marie had legs, we might have had a different proto form

[hearty pendant]

it'll take the full body eventually, its just slowed

[rain otter]

maybe.,

did Lyon always have the 1 eye?

[rancid pilot]

Makes me wonder what the criteria for compatibility is, like gender and physical characteristics

[rain otter]

well it's 2 eyes but it's 1 eye.

which harrow does kinda have.

[covert dune]

Really? Thought it was like in Parasite when the protagonist restrains the parasite for enough time to stop it's process of taking over his body completly

[pliant saffron]

That's a real thing I think, not just helminth stuff

[covert dune]

Prime Harrow has 2 eyes

[rain otter]

so it not having legs.

[unkempt pawn]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DSLVv1iE6_U/?igsh=Zmh6NTN5MzNuOXBj

[hearty pendant]

no, the helminth injections for the protos were modified to have a slower transformation
albrecht needed them to still be sane for a while

[pliant saffron]

The dual eris in one eye thing

[rain otter]

oh yeah this is so funny.

[lunar adder]

LMAO

[rain otter]

i wanted them to react in some way.

[fiery oyster]

ha!

[covert dune]

Now that I think about it. Are the alternate skins canon too? Like would we see a Harrow using the skin that looks like a Mummy around or nah?

[fiery oyster]

same, I kinda just walked up to them lol

[unkempt pawn]

I am sure the deluxe are canon

[rain otter]

probably not .

also no?

[unkempt pawn]

Well most deluxe or paid skins like Immortal skins

[rain otter]

y'all say "i am sure" a lot.

for stuff we are not sure on

[fiery oyster]

I am sure we're not sure on a lot of stuff

[rancid pilot]

Some are, specifically the ones that show up in Leverian, others are up to debate

[covert dune]

Damn so basically we have an immortal being (Tenno/Drifter) making friends with people who are slowly dying.

[unkempt pawn]

Very sad truth

[hearty pendant]

the deluxes are case-by-case
yareli pandea and valkyr gersemi are fully canon, as they're referenced in other places (reaper's lament and zanuka respectively). those mentioned in leverians are similar

[short moat]

Hi

[pliant saffron]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycoria

[unkempt pawn]

Kahl will eventually die, The Hex will probably live long but not be immortal, The Onkho will probably die too

[pliant saffron]

Found it

[covert dune]

At some point even Lotus (I think). The Tenno and Driffter will see every single one of their friends die. Except for Umbra and Ordis of course.

[unkempt pawn]

I thought the Lotus also had a certain trait of immortality

[covert dune]

Huh?

[hearty pendant]

the tenno still.. age

[covert dune]

The guy was stabbed through the heart and came back like nothing happened cmon

[hearty pendant]

rell Literally Died Of Old Age

[pliant saffron]

Protoharrows eye

[hearty pendant]

we can't be killed very easily, but we can die

[covert dune]

Also I thought the adventures had years gaps between em and we never saw the Tenno grow up

[hearty pendant]

irl yea
in game, the whole game could be a few months
probably like a year actually

not including the timegap between 1999 and present or old peace and present obviously

[covert dune]

Thought he died because he was containing Wally. Like all of that ended up taking his life force

[hearty pendant]

no, his body was too old to keep going so he permanently bound himself to Harrow
when he's freed from the vessel, that catches up to him

[red hedge]

What triggers the Roathe conversations in KIM? I’ve seen mixed things.

[hearty pendant]

standard convo at daily reset, VMs after each roathe kill in descendia
up to 2 per day i believe, though it sometimes plays "catch-up"

[rancid pilot]

Doing the floor 21 descendia fight

[short moat]

Hi

[red hedge]

That’s my confusion: I feel like I’ve just fought him on 21 like 5 times and then I’ll get a bunch of messages but then the reset confused me

[hearty pendant]

there's only 21 VMs
sometimes they'll overwrite the regular convo if there's one sitting there at reset

[thorny barn]

Actual nothingburger vendor on top of being forced to run 3-5 runs of a 15 minute mission for one piece of tiny furniture bro. 😭

[rancid pilot]

Lyon didn't talk to us so we wouldn't roast his ass for items

[thorny barn]

Biggest Fraud in the entire Origin system

https://tenor.com/view/aoi-warframe-speed-why-you-trying-not-to-laugh-bruh-im-watching-your-stream-gif-5009083298225963062

[red hedge]

Is Marie’s KIMs tied to Roathe fights too?

[hearty pendant]

maybe some message options? but nothing i know about for sure

[signal token]

Ordis can fracture and degrade

He's a cephalon afterall

[soft pumice]

loool

[drifting sparrow]

i like how lyon leaves his signature at the end of his chats, i think it's a nice touch

[soft pumice]

it is fitting for that time we think there from. pepple would be polite and sign it with there name like that

[fluid spoke]

You fight a Loki with the Knave skin in the Silver Grove quest

[dry cove]

I hope I didn't just lock myself out of his romance!

[fluid spoke]

As someone who's endured abusive relationships in the past, I get where Roathe is coming from

[amber terrace]

Genuine question: is Lyon, similarly to Rell, somewhere on the autism spectrum?

The dialogue that spurs this question is the wounds conversation between Marie and Lyon in La Cathédrale, where Marie offers to tend to Lyon’s wounds and Lyon tells her off in scripture

[obtuse gyro]

oh nah I wouldnt worry about that

[obtuse gyro]

consider how roathe reacted to your responses about Wally

consider how even if he believes you dont know what youre talking about, he still engaged

now consider, he just ran from the conversation

so you got him good there

[solid otter]

Nah, doesn't seem to be. If he was he's masking incredibly well.

His self flagellation comes from religion

[amber terrace]

What the hell did he do that he feels the need to slap himself every 30 ish seconds and then proceed to hit himself with a thurible consistently? I don’t care about spoilers

[hearty pendant]

i mean, he's dealing with wally yapping at him
from what i hear

[amber terrace]

So he’s like exorcising himself? Poor lad

[solid otter]

"I am a sinner and I need to be punished" type thing. It was common in... 1600s?

[pliant saffron]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-flagellation?wprov=sfla1

[unkempt pawn]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DSOLzSFEdVv/?igsh=dXAybmRvcjg3eDU2

Also french yapping

[waxen sphinx]

Something about this conversation just doesnt sit right with me

[rain otter]

I think that's what it's supposed to do.

Make you feel an emotion about it.

[waxen sphinx]

Like we're talking about when Ballas fell in love with Margulis, before the tenno, before us

[rain otter]

Yeah. Uncomfortable conversations are good in games like this.

He challenged. Feel something.

Agreement disagreement. Disgust Attraction. Happiness sadness. Feeling something is good.

You should want to have challenging conversations. @waxen sphinx

[waxen sphinx]

Oh

[rain otter]

Like also

Roathe is a orokin that like doesn't even think the orokin where that bad. (He kinda does but kinda not.)

Like he's a unique challenging perspective. Like he's wrong often but just the conversations are interesting.

[obtuse gyro]

I wouldnt say he's wrong often

its just that whatever he wished for his people never could pan out

on account of yknow, him not being able to carry out what is essentially his coup-revolution

he saw the disease in his society and never got the chance to apply the cure he thought would work

[rain otter]

Okay it wouldn't actually be that.

He was like take out some orokin just cuz they where bored.

[obtuse gyro]

He was, for all his faults, the one person in the best position to enact that change he hoped for

[obtuse gyro]

um, no?

thats very much not him

[rain otter]

That's what like the Excutator

That told him to do it said it like.

[obtuse gyro]

uhuh and he saw an opportunity to fix what he thought wrong with his people

[hearty pendant]

boredom was nitokh's motivation
roathe wanted to also put himself in charge

[obtuse gyro]

he wasnt bored, nitohk was

[obtuse gyro]

which you also can call him out for lol

[hearty pendant]

yup

[obtuse gyro]

to which he hits you with a

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-raise-award-well-never-know-oh-well-gif-5061742

but he did believe he would have then

give up power once the orokin sort themselves out

[amber terrace]

I would pay infinite money to see Hunhow on Truth Blooms or whatever made the Sentients not want to murder humanity

[cinder marten]

today roathe spilled the tea that ballas and margulis were actually genuinely in love with each other

[night grail]

At this point does he need them

[amber terrace]

No, but it would’ve been cool to be able to not have him at our throats right from the get go

[uncut solar]

He seems "sentient" enough

Just begrudged

[neat eagle]

I think I messed up : / AMIR and Arthur comvos on kim

[night grail]

Arthur shuts down most flirting attempts especially because hes actually opening up there

Amir is okay i think iirc the other option was worse

[neat eagle]

I DIDN'T MEAN TO FLIRT I WAS JUST JOKING I RUINED IT NOOOO

I'm gonna cry now 😭😭

And I really want AMIR to be okay he's such a cutie

[neat eagle]

I BUCKED IT SO BAD DIDN'T I

[night grail]

No its fine

Amir flags the AmirFight boolean so eventually he'll actually open up about what it was

[zenith jacinth]

yeah that's uh. not how to talk to amir

at all

[night grail]

The other option was worse I think

[neat eagle]

SO I BUCKED IT???

I'm scared

[zenith jacinth]

no but you definitely didn't pick the best option

[neat eagle]

Damn it 😭😭

[zenith jacinth]

cosidering I never upset amir and also never picked that option...

[neat eagle]

HUH

SO I MESSED UP ON BOTH???

[night grail]

Its just the AmirShoulder boolean as false

[neat eagle]

DAMNIT NOOOO WHAT DO I DO

[night grail]

Pretty much any other option in this scenario ends it immediately

[neat eagle]

I wanted to talk to them so bad I waited a whole day just for those and Quincy 😭😭😭

[night grail]

Theres no lasting consequences

Other than AmirFight where he apologizes for lashing out

[upbeat bronze]

Same thing still happening

[neat eagle]

But I waited a whole day just to talk to them 😭😭

[fading current]

Did you report this into the forums? Like…can you just not get past this point?

[lean cedar]

I really hope they add more commandeered Primes to the Prime Vanguard missions in Perita.

[hasty depot]

Bullet dash it

[upbeat bronze]

I've tried doing that and still nothing

I've tried unstuck

[hasty depot]

Roll it

[upbeat bronze]

Done that too

[hasty depot]

Wrathful advance it

[upbeat bronze]

Done that too

[hasty depot]

Holy

[lean cedar]

Like, a Nekros Prime that throws waves of reanimated melee-only Dax and Grineer at you (with no weapons and the Manic animations to really sell that mindless zombie feel), a Nidus Prime that turns the entire arena into a maggot pit while dragging you close with Larva to point-blank you with his Strun Prime, a Loki Prime that turns invisible and yoinks away your weapons, a Gauss and Grendel Prime pair that ALWAYS spawn together (meaning you fight two Primes when you'd only fight one, and three when you'd only fight two), etc.

[hasty depot]

Btw is it old peace?

[upbeat bronze]

Guess I won't be getting the goods from the event 😭

[hasty depot]

I remember bullet dash broke the doors

[hasty depot]

Relog?

[upbeat bronze]

Done that already

Im try to reset my controls

See if that works

[hasty depot]

Ok

What is this

[upbeat bronze]

FINALLY

IT WORKED

[hasty depot]

Resetting controls did it?

[upbeat bronze]

Ye

[hasty depot]

Nice

[upbeat bronze]

Now I can finish this buggy quest

[hasty depot]

Go old peacing now fellah

[upbeat bronze]

Uh...

[hasty depot]

What

[upbeat bronze]

||Where's the lotus eyes||

[hasty depot]

She scratched it and accidentally poked it

Them

[upbeat bronze]

Ah

Ok

[bitter niche]

um... so thats not meant to happen... what do i do now? im stuck here

[lean cedar]

Well, guess you could teabag him a while.

[hearty pendant]

margulis's eyes were burned out by a tenno. top contenders are us or rell

[lean cedar]

Won't help, but it'd be funny.

[hasty depot]

I'm not understanding the picture

[hearty pendant]

roathe died instead of teleporting away, somehow

[bitter niche]

he is dead. like, i actually killed him

[lean cedar]

Roathe just dropped dead and now the mission's softlocked.

[hasty depot]

Lmaoooo

[lean cedar]

Teabag him.

[bitter niche]

the throne doesnt take damage either

[hasty depot]

Teabag him

[bitter niche]

he disintegrated

[night grail]

Thats not ||the lotus||

[hasty depot]

Damn

[lean cedar]

Teabag the spot his corpse was on.

[hasty depot]

Margilus

[hearty pendant]

send a ticket to support and abort mission i guess
well, bug report more than an actual ticket
not like he's particularly difficult to kill

[night grail]

Shoot him for an energy orb

[hasty depot]

Wut

[bitter niche]

im more upset that i just did this to get some more maphica, thats all i needed from this now im gonna lose it all

[junior burrow]

So today I did the Jade Shadows Quest, that quest hurts.

[hearty pendant]

yupp

[livid glen]

I've had that happen at release, was very confused for a while, since it was my first time fighting him.

[midnight swallow]

anyone know how to do this

[obtuse gyro]

do what?

[midnight swallow]

level it as a melee weapon on your profile

[hearty pendant]

it should count as both anyway?

[uncut solar]

probably count melee kills for it?

theyre technically separate weapons

you can even rename them separately

[midnight swallow]

they dont tho. mines max and its only on primary tab. im thinking its not even possible now

because of this

[uncut solar]

Aw

[pale violet]

I wish we got updated dialogue from the cavia and loid

[balmy storm]

And lotus

[shrewd sphinx]

I feel sad for Roathe and his men, those poor-poor Uriels

[tight pagoda]

Anyone else's Blind Margulis skin have bad lip syncing issues?

[solid otter]

Dont feel bad. I mean, the Uriels, sure. But not for Roathe. He chose that path.

[tropic horizon]

I dunno if this qualifies as a spoiler but I just need to say it and better safe than sorry: playing the Chains of Harrow quest in the middle of the night with no lights on was a mistake.

[solid otter]

HA

Always a bad idea

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/raven-gif-8539219

[tropic horizon]

yep
I know we're here to help Rell but it would be a lot more pleasant if he could go a full minute without going
-# RAP TAP TAP

[cerulean kiln]

He’s only saying what Wally is saying to tell you what Wally is saying

[tropic horizon]

i'm just glad my new headphones don't connect to my controller

whole new level of "OH HECK NO" if they did

[solid otter]

Real asf

[fickle estuary]

A single child managed to hold back Wally for like hundreds of years and yet we are failing with like 20 people, we suck at our job confirmed???

[cerulean kiln]

We need more horror quests in this game

[tropic horizon]

I completed the Call of the Tempestarii nearly 12 hours ago though and I'm still riding that high, gonna be hard to take the top spot for favorite quest after that one.

[cerulean kiln]

Rell did it in a time Murmur were a lot less active

[solid otter]

Mm. Given that your about me has the magnus archives in it, you're gonna love whispers in the walls.

[tropic horizon]

ooo I'm intrigued

[cerulean kiln]

And we have beat Wally in the last 3 updates with him in it

[fickle estuary]

Imagine a Naga Drums quest where part of the quest is playing as a Dax or Grineer trying to get out while the Tenno are slaughtering everyone

Would be peak

[undone lodge]

Rell also didn’t have a certain someone messing about

Its not we who suck at our job, ||Ballas|| sucks at our job

[balmy storm]

Tbf he’s like actually trying now, Rell held him back before he could do anything beyond the deal

Also yeah Ballas inadvertently allowed Wally to have more influence

[solid otter]

See, i know only a limited amount of stuff about the magnus archives, but i am aware of the... eldritch? Lovecraftian? Inspirations.

• if my brother enjoys it, ima also assume there's a queer twink who has a complex relationship with someone in the archives as well. Same shit found in whispers

[balmy storm]

He was in Old Peace technically but that was a memory and the most we did in the present was fight off some Murmur

[tropic horizon]

you got it 100%

[cerulean kiln]

We seemed to embrace him there tbh

Rap tap tap little piggy

[tropic horizon]

well... actually I'm not sure if Martin counts as a twink but definitely the rest of that

[balmy storm]

Yup, we were grieving and he took his chance to manipulate us further

Which iirc was something we were working against with Margulis and Itzam? Keeping “the voices” in check i think it was

I can already see someone being confused as to how he spoke to us then but
War within
Rising tide
He’s just always been able to speak through his pieces despite whatever status he may be in

Imagine we beat him and bro still pops up just to mess with us

[solid otter]

Yeah, so you'll love whispers in the walls.

[tropic horizon]

oh yeah also I don't trust the railjack
what I assume is the power core keeps talking to me.

[solid otter]

... I wont say anything.

Just know they're related.

[tropic horizon]

nah I think I know what it is

[balmy storm]

You can trust Cy, he’s cool

[tropic horizon]

I understand quite a bit of the lore I just try to avoid spoilers for quests

[tropic horizon]

not cy. cy is cool
the other voice

[balmy storm]

Finger :)

[tight pagoda]

Probably shouldn't be in the "spoiler chat"

[balmy storm]

Kid named finger aah

[solid otter]

Oh, and rank up the necraloid syndicate. You can get in there w the operator form :)

[solid otter]

Tldr ||blue dude accidentally made a copy of himself from the void and it decided to stick its fingers in a closing door and got pissy. Now the blue dude had to abandon his twink lover and his child (or children ig??) Cus angry wall man wants to get his ass||

[zenith jacinth]

|| And in attempts to make wall man stop wanting to get his ass he makes more people want to get his ass||

[shrewd sphinx]

😭 , on another note, cant wait for Uriel Prime, wonder what Roathe's interaction would be

[zenith jacinth]

1. W pfp
2. His reaction would probably be going through all the stages of grief 5 times in 2 seconds

[balmy storm]

I wonder what Uriel Prime’s name is

[shrewd sphinx]

He might leak it when we use him for his interaction accidentally

[rain fjord]

has there been any word of the treasure room floor in the tower is officially removed/scaled back. or is it just away for this week as its random.

[zenith jacinth]

It's rotated out

Decendia has weekly rotations of which floors there are

[fickle estuary]

Imagine if it's just like really lame

Daniel

Anyone else really dislike archimedea arcanes

Arcane Hotshot would go really nicely on my Uriel but holy hell is grinding it miserable

Like a month or more for a single arcane 😭

[balmy storm]

Didn’t they make it so you can get it from Loid now or something

[fickle estuary]

I suppose but 5 percent chance with 2 other legendaries is still ow

[shrewd sphinx]

Havent tried the Drifter's refraction yet, on a scale to 1-10 whats it like?

[fickle estuary]

As in Descendia?

It's really fun

Prob my fav weekly

[shrewd sphinx]

Aight

[balmy storm]

||It’s Roathe’s but Drifter’s helping||

[undone lodge]

||Mostly Roathe’s, with a bit of Drifter and Marie/Lyon mixed in||

[rain fjord]

oh good, i was worried i missed the easy farm

[shell belfry]

So. Just got to the Kimchat where Roathe mentions Nitokh being completely forgotten.
Anyone else expecting her to show up as a protoframe as well?
Getting shunted through time would really help someone be wiped from history

[uncut solar]

garuda lore

https://tenor.com/view/long-hitch-years-time-its-been84years-gif-15398206

[solid otter]

Eh

I dont see it.

[tropic venture]

Nitokh as proto-Garuda could actually kinda work hang on

[solid otter]

Yeah I can see the proto part, but that's like saying we're gonna see an Loid/limbo protoframe

[uncut solar]

true enough

[shell belfry]

Am I missing something? I don't remember anything like that.

[tropic venture]

true

[tropic venture]

the joke is that Garuda has no lore

[shell belfry]

Ah

[uncut solar]

[shell belfry]

So we're gonna get an 1899 section with mesa protoframe at some point right? 😛

[uncut solar]

No

in all honesty

please no more protos

[tropic venture]

Same, they've lost their initial charm imo.

[uncut solar]

its marketing, skins and npc material. Theres a lot of potential but i feel like just shoving everyone as a proto is diverting resources

[cerulean kiln]

I wonder how wiki even knows which statue is which when they haven't got an info thing beneath them or anything

Like some are obvious

[uncut solar]

community edits

youll have to fight with them on it

[solid otter]

File names actually

Thats how, the files are labelled

[cerulean kiln]

So they datamined it?

[uncut solar]

oh huh

naming statue models is pretty clear cut

[solid otter]

Mhm. That image of the statues lined up was not official either.

[tropic venture]

I just know this is Nitokh cause she's serving

[solid otter]

Nem, its literally in the archive's discord 😭

[uncut solar]

game is not exactly "encoded" like a lot of other multiplayer games

[solid otter]

Theres a model ripper on github rn lol

Both female executors are so pretty.

[tropic venture]

First one would be the one who took the first trip to Tau I believe?

Forgot her name

[solid otter]

Thats Avantus, no clue if she is there. She has little lore

[cerulean kiln]

Avantus has the best lore ever: dying

[solid otter]

All we kinda know is how she died and she was a bit of a prick to the grineer

Which lead to her death

[tropic venture]

Can't check in-game rn what they were named

[balmy storm]

She’s called|| the Blood Queen ||

[cerulean kiln]

Do think all Executors had a project in the war since we know Ballas made frames and Tuvul lead the Zariman even while not on it

[tropic venture]

I mean they likely all contributed to some regard since they were the Executors of the empire

[balmy storm]

Zariman was before the war
But yes they probably all had projects

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah I just mean they all contributed somewhat

[drifting sparrow]

karissh was probably too busy eating to have a project

[cerulean kiln]

What if he was the one providing food and eating it too

[balmy storm]

Do you think he would eat head exploding vermink

||If a Solaris eats that is it a headache or a stomach ache||

[solid otter]

The other executors :)

[dense ice]

I fw right

[solid otter]

Yk something interesting?

[tropic venture]

love how we have a literal gigachad and then just the actual Plato himself

[solid otter]

The new executors all lack the "orokin" hair. I wonder why.

[solid otter]

His forearms are so small compared to his biceps 😭 i think thats Tormis?

[simple python]

Tuvul was disgraced because of the Zariman's colony ship failure.

[tropic venture]

He got those indian oil injections fr

[simple python]

Hair is not entirely singular. Especially for the Orokin

Keep pace people, this will be on the quiz roathe is handing out.

[solid otter]

Ehh. Not for the orokin.

[balmy storm]

They are the Seven

I wanna know all their deals

Which ones are confirmed dead?
Ballas, Karrish and Tuvul right?

[tropic venture]

Avantus too

[balmy storm]

How did they die and do we know which one they are in terms of the statues

[tropic venture]

the other three are unknown

Grineer uprising got to her

[balmy storm]

Oh right

Dang so we’re 4 down and 3 to go

[thorny barn]

This irrationally pisses me off so bad.

[uncut solar]

Have you seen new Voruna deluxe

Biggest waist nerf in history

[solid otter]

Literally every other orokin but the ones introduced in this update had tbat familiar hair, its... not upsetting but it makes me think they just gave up on it. Or they didnt wanna give dreads to what seems to be a mostly white cast 😭

[tropic venture]

Don't you dare go after his tummy

[solid otter]

... why

Hes a human. He's gonna have human proportions.

[thorny barn]

The mesh is messed up, up near his armpit it caves inward suuuper far

[tropic venture]

Lyon's mutations are mainly on his arms and legs, and then his spine

[tropic venture]

ok true

[solid otter]

... and thats an issue... for what reason? Why are we looking at those
-# + those are notoriously hard to rig

[thorny barn]

It's like a TF2 model break 😭

[thorny barn]

Heaven forbid I dislike something that is wrong

The part that gets me is that it fixes when he uses certain other animations so it is Harrow's skeletal rig

[balmy storm]

How does it look with his anims?

[thorny barn]

Better!

[uncut solar]

Aren't skeletal rigs universal

[balmy storm]

That’s good at least!

[uncut solar]

That's why we have animation sets

[thorny barn]

^

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[thorny barn]

That's what I mean

[uncut solar]

Except height

[balmy storm]

Can’t wait for Drifter to maybe use them next year

[thorny barn]

God the Drifter ones suck so much too

[balmy storm]

I wonder if they will be locked to secondary anims

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter using Operator animation sets when DE?

[balmy storm]

So which secondary anim is the best

[thorny barn]

The one where they cross their arms actively shrinks the elbows

[tropic venture]

even Operator anim sets are kinda meh. I prefer having none on both cause they're an actual person, they're not gonna pose like the frames do

[balmy storm]

I go between Unairu and i think naramon?

Zenurik and vacation are
Poses

[thorny barn]

I wish we could modify the bodies, I think the torso of the Drifter is way too wide

[balmy storm]

Creepy kid smile

[thorny barn]

Teeny tiny arms and a bird chest that doesn't fit the rest of them

[tropic venture]

Echoes of Peace gives us full From Software character creation sliders trust

[balmy storm]

We’re getting closer to that maybe, we can change the body separate from the head now

[thorny barn]

Hopium 🙏

[thorny barn]

Yeah the male frame helps a little

[tropic venture]

wait I kinda wanna cosplay John Darksoul as Grendel now

[thorny barn]

Last note

[uncut solar]

But from doesn't have that much in terms of body sliders

[thorny barn]

This happens on a tooon of the idles, the rest of the protos dont do this

[tropic venture]

He just had his bottom ribs removed

[tropic venture]

As opposed to Warframe?

[thorny barn]

Easier access to his thurible

[uncut solar]

Technological perfection has been reached with Street Fighter 6 avatar editor

[thorny barn]

Yeah the normal Harrow doesnt do this

[tropic venture]

Lephantis

[covert quest]

harrow proto is ugly as hell i agree

[thorny barn]

chomp

😭

[covert quest]

also, doesn't the devil's triad share the one computer in the sanctum or something??

[thorny barn]

They probably use the one next to Loid

[tropic venture]

Yes, they chat with you via the Sanctum's POM-2

[covert quest]

everyone in tha sanctum get to see me hitting on the protoframes

[uncut solar]

And I'm proud of it

(I have not romanced anyone)

[fickle estuary]

I beat Roathe today and didnt get a VM, do I need to rank up the relationship or smth?

[tropic venture]

you get the VMs daily alongside the chats

[covert quest]

not always

[solid otter]

You get VMs for a certain threshold of murdering Roathe.

2 a day.

They will replace the chats as well

[tropic venture]

I have gotten chats and VMs on the same day multiple times

[unique dagger]

i got like 5 voice messages

i didnt know he'll chat afterwards

[tropic venture]

I had my text chats before the VMs

like I did the chats, exited the window, and I could click Roathe again for a VM

[unique dagger]

i will say, roathe's messages are harder to navigate compared to marie's in kimulacrum

im checking his chat map, and man. that is a cobweb

there's so many conditions tho that dont pop up

[tropic venture]

I mean you could just go with the flow, that's what the reset is for

[unique dagger]

i look at those maps to see what other dialogue options there are, outside of the one im at, and i cant tell which chat i am on for roathe

[pastel pasture]

has this red like...forcefield looking thing always been here? it's swirls around

lewd

[cerulean kiln]

Hasn't always existed but at this point, it's not a new skybox

[pastel pasture]

ah

what even is it? corpus waves?

[cerulean kiln]

Nothing lore-wise is given about it

[lofty girder]

i find it interesting on how death works for the orokin

[solid otter]

Im not sure if thats in reference to the orokin themselves. They rarely fought themselves.

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, it very much is the orokin

Golden boys and girls can only mean a very few things

[obtuse linden]

never have I been so tempted to chose the first option

[cerulean kiln]

Do it

I dare you

[obtuse linden]

I did, managed to get 2 sets of positive chem

[cerulean kiln]

Did you get asked out from it?

Or vice versa

[tropic venture]

No, Marie romance is not open for anyone yet afaik.

[cerulean kiln]

I think DE made getting chem up with them slower than with the Hex

[tropic venture]

no gifts or bounties to give chemistry so

[nimble fiber]

ok DE hear me out: Octavia protoframe that's a mascot DJ for tennocon

[tropic venture]

Hatsune Miku

[solid fern]

anyone feel decendia enemies are a lot more beefy than normal enemies?

[tropic venture]

They are

[solid fern]

Especially steel path ones

[uncut solar]

They have an extra modifier

[cerulean kiln]

Isn’t that the idea of new content made for Endgame?

[solid fern]

I mean I can deal with it and don’t really mind

[tropic venture]

I do think it's odd that the modifier is not explained in the initial menu

[solid fern]

I hope it could have infinite levels tho

[solid fern]

I do too

[tropic venture]

Arbitrations, SP, Netracells, Archon Hunts and Archimedea all tell you about it in the mission selection UI

Descendia just has the revive limit

[cerulean kiln]

I was honestly expecting Descendia to have different modifiers each week

[tropic venture]

well the separate Infernum modifiers change, but yeah same

[undone lodge]

She gets mentioned as the one proto that’s known to have died and never comes up again

Yet another victim of the Garuda curse

I can see it so clearly, this’ll definitely happen in like, 2032

[undone lodge]

I mean I can make a few guesses with Karishh

[old bobcat]

so if we are still sweet with the orokin in the old peace why do they hate us now

or are they all dead and its just the corrupted left

[digital needle]

I wish kahl could wear valdur’s syandana

[old bobcat]

i guess the anarchists turned all the sentients rogue and killed all the orokin

what happened to the zariman i thought we got our powers from there when the parents went crazy

but we have them with the orokin?

thought the orokin sent us away then all died

[undone lodge]

Zariman is before old peace

[old bobcat]

ah

so we made it off the zariman

but the drifter never did i guess in his time

stuck in duviri

[undone lodge]

It’s like
Sentients created and sent off
Executor Tuvul can’t wait 5 minutes and starts a bunch of projects to try and get to Tau quicker
Zariman 10-0 sent off and fails.
Wally turns parents insane, makes The Deal with Operator, Drifter also happens, because of Eternalism means that the Operator both did and didn’t get included in “I can save them” in Deal
Drifter CEs Duviri and eventually at some point Operator’s Zariman returns, Orokin find the Tenno and Margulis does therapy
At some point before or after, probably before, the Old War starts up after the Sentients build the Solar Rail
A bunch of projects made and fail, Warframes made, random researcher discovers Tenno can use Transference to calm and control Warframes
Warframes usable much more easily now because of the solution to the “Infested madness”, Orokin doing better in Old War
Sentient in the hivemind get individuality because of the Xenoflora, peace treaty is made
Old Peace quest happens
Old War part 2

[old bobcat]

ah gotcha

i was with the story until this update now its just got more confusing

[peak heath]

We did get confirmation that you cannot Kuva someone out of infestation. Roathe said he cannot move to a new body with it due to his twisted nature.

This also makes additional sense as to why the Entrati family didn't just body hop to something less rooted to the ground.

[undone lodge]

There was a line that implied it, but yeah no actual confirming statement until now

[solid otter]

They actually wanna do it, but its not possible.

[dry cove]

Do we have confirmation that the Devil's Triad romance won't affect the Hex romance?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

Though it’ll have you cheating then asking for permission

DE didn’t cook with that one

[livid glen]

It's probably so that you won't have the conversation regarding permission if you're not planning on dating them.

Although I'm assuming it's done with the KIM chat, if it's via a conversation option then I dunno.

(I'm not dating anyone from the Hex, so I dunno)

[cerulean kiln]

It is on KIM

[rain otter]

Well "time" they where stuck in the Zariman which is stuck in the Void. They just made duviri.

[rain otter]

He also made his own helminth apparently.

Or tried to.

[peak heath]

Succeeded in doing so as it's how they left France. Makes sense since the helminth is in the blood.

[old bobcat]

yes

[zenith jacinth]

correct

[undone lodge]

Can’t be

Loads of conversations let you just end them from the start

They already have a solution for unwanted convos

[proper frost]

Finally unlocks the ability to speak with Lyon, bruh hits me with an entire server disconnect, bro DOES not wanna socialize

[old bobcat]

WHAT

went to fight roathe was going so well got so much stuff did 20 descendia

and he 1 shot all of us on his second hp bar?

so what did we lose everything?

surely thats a bug or does he just do that

[drifting sparrow]

he just does that

[old bobcat]

can i redo all the stages to get maphica or do i have to wait for resets

[uncut solar]

You can redo all stages

[old bobcat]

how to counter it?

[near crest]

been thinking (i do that sometimes), kinda weird that they added the dark refractory to the sanctum as a physical place you can visit,
but don't let you start it from there

[drifting sparrow]

there should be glyphs floating around him, if you collect all of them it'll stop the attack

[old bobcat]

ah gotcha

[toxic basin]

the pager's beeping again... why? or maybe it's a bug on my end i dunno

[old bobcat]

does roathe drop the prime parts for the weapons in his shop?

[remote raft]

Has everyone translated what Uriel is saying in void tongue

[uncut solar]

No.

Roathe bossfight - Uriel/Vinquibus

Perita - Prime weapons

@old bobcat

[old bobcat]

ah

does it matter whichj perita mission?

[zenith jacinth]

no

[wise basalt]

Does not matter, just be ready to do them a lot

[uncut solar]

No

[old bobcat]

yea already have been its sooo boring

[zenith jacinth]

and pray for a galariak blade

[uncut solar]

Or buy it for pity

[old bobcat]

i just want the pistol cuz i got the melee

[zenith jacinth]

seriously, that part just does not want to drop

[old bobcat]

and i want the title/pin bundle from roathe

[uncut solar]

Worthy successor of Hespar

[undone lodge]

Unlike WFs other languages Voidtongue and Sentient aren’t just english with slightly different rules and new letters/characters, so we can only get translations when the game gives them directly or through outside stuff like some of with the Isleweaver lyrics (I think it was bandcamp?)

[zenith jacinth]

?

[uncut solar]

They added a new item

[old bobcat]

insign bundle

[zenith jacinth]

aaaah

[uncut solar]

It's a pin that evolves like protovyre

From doing Perita stuff

[zenith jacinth]

chest armor medal

[old bobcat]

oh i got that, just needed the bp which i bought

[old bobcat]

wait it does?

[zenith jacinth]

but that's not from roathe is it?

it's a plat thing

[old bobcat]

ill show you

this is what i’m talking about

didnt know it was from plat unless its smth else

[zenith jacinth]

huh

didn't know he got that

[old bobcat]

yeah it looks cool

[zenith jacinth]

back into decendia I go

[uncut solar]

Added in the latest hotfix

[old bobcat]

description for the medal says orokin military title awarded to recognise acts of exceptional heroism in battle

[zenith jacinth]

I thought it'd get relegated to market plat purchase like previous evolving stuff

[old bobcat]

whats this plat one?

[uncut solar]

Protovyre

Whole attachment set and an Ephemera

[zenith jacinth]

no no, I just got it confused

[uncut solar]

And some weird void signa

[zenith jacinth]

that was from an operation

[uncut solar]

And yeah this one is for normal resources unlike the other evolving ones

[uncut solar]

Oh, it's not for plat?

[zenith jacinth]

isleweaver

[thick jolt]

You are thinking of the shoulder emblem i think

[uncut solar]

Oh ok

[thick jolt]

There's a zariman shoulder emblem that evolves

[old bobcat]

o yeah i know that one

i have it its cool

[thick jolt]

As for signa i dont think we have a properly evolving one
Like the isleweaver one was reward tiers rather than getting base one and it evolving

[uncut solar]

Oh sorry

[uncut solar]

My auto-correct changed sigil to signa. And I meant an emblem

Double dipping on brain lag

[thick jolt]

Lol it happens

[reef compass]

I am doing the new Insignia challenges and has anyone done the 4th one?

It asks to clear a Descendia run but seems it doesnt work for a 21st floor only?

maybe I got to do it Solo...?

[zenith jacinth]

maybe try doing a full run?

[limpid hinge]

is this frame maybe still be laying at tau?

[fringe pond]

Hey i know these guys

Is it just a two player thing or wha

What happens here

[obtuse gyro]

buff

[gilded light]

Do we know what the red crystals do in the Tau missions?

[zenith jacinth]

give one "order complete" bonus

[gilded light]

so like, doing an order without doing an order?

[floral badge]

The animation looks so funny 😭 (jade shadows)

[teal steppe]

Question regarding talking with Roathe, once I've done enough of Deciendia enough to bump up his kills to 21+, how long will it take for him to send all of his voice messages?

[amber terrace]

I am having a tad of a krill issue. I recently got Marie to liked and I’m able to purchase stuff from Lyon, but his KIM hasn’t opened up?

[opaque dove]

Nice Vala and inspired paint

[robust swallow]

harrow gang, help, what will give me the chem?

[opaque dove]

It’s 2 per day if I recall.

[opaque dove]

I haven’t seen that one

[opaque dove]

Pretty sure you have to talk in person first

[hearty pendant]

afaik Lyon's chats unlock once you get to Friendly w/ Marie
his chats start at rank 3, but might start a day after you're able to buy from him

[amber terrace]

I did, hence me saying that I bought something off of him

[fringe pond]

They’re like Duviri decree fragments

[opaque dove]

I’m liked with Marie and I’m able to chat with him

[teal steppe]

I had the tickover 30 mins after doing the runs, and he sent 3 that time. I'm up to 10 VMs now. So to get up to the 21 required, it would take... 4 days. Hah. So he regains all of his memories on Chistmas Eve. I find that ironic.

[solid otter]

||we.. might have an explanation to how warframes work in 1999????||

[amber terrace]

I’m at “Liked” with Marie and I’ve bought something off of Lyon (pinging for ease of conversation)

[hearty pendant]

oh?

[teal steppe]

Yeah... || Dr Entrati, what the hell are you up to...? ||

[solid otter]

From today's kimchat with Roathe

||tldr Roathe suspects because we are "void touched" conceptual embodiment works even in the real world due to the proximity of the void it has, when around us. Same shit goes for the fingers. Roathe also suspects Albrecht "gave" Rulsalka to Wally, which... I don't think is true. We did that, i think. The message suggests that the heart is obviously connected to the void, but for some reason, is also connected to CE???||

[opaque dove]

||albrecht him them with a strain of Helminth and it metallized parts of em and they got the powers of the respective frames||

Oh wait

[unkempt pawn]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1999928615774085519 this got posted here? I forgor

Sain-7🎄 (@sai7n)

ROATHE WHAT THE HELL WHY ARE YOU TURNING INTO ERIC CARTMAN🪦😭

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Dec 13, 2025, 7:45 PM

[solid otter]

No, the heart physically doesnt exist at the time of 1999, so it was a bit of a question how any void shit worked

We know no void tech can function without the heart

[opaque dove]

Necramechs can. But they have direct uplink.

[hearty pendant]

ah, part of that must be from the path i didn't go down
its an interesting thought, though i am curious how much of roathe's knowledge about the void is reliable

[obtuse gyro]

stop feeding I think?

[solid otter]

||I don't think hes responsible for Rulsalka tbh. Roathe didn't even know who she was. Maybe thats a good thing tho, given his history. But anyways, Rulsalka presumably got gotten by wally through the ARG, while it does have Albrecht, that Albrecht isnt actually him, that's wally.||

[hearty pendant]

requirements for Lyon seem weird, dunno. stuff i'm experiencing might be different because i have the 'all chats' checked (or i am just Bad at gaining chemistry w/ Marie lol)
i've not gotten any chats, nor can i buy from him

[opaque dove]

Be respectful with Lyon. Done me good for thus far

[obtuse gyro]

oh you got that today huh... I would have thought the all convos group would be hitting the 3.Xs... unless I counted wrong

[opaque dove]

Which is to say the one Kim interaction i had with him

[robust swallow]

Trusted on all three, slowly getting there

[teal steppe]

I mean, || it's either us or the doctor. Either we opened the way for Wally, or the doctor did it as a way of keeping it chained there... for how little good that did. ||

[solid otter]

I got the "do all kim convos before rank up" setting on, so if its out of whack, that's why

[hearty pendant]

only 8 days in, no? 4 or 5 convos per rank?

[obtuse gyro]

its only been 8 days???

Ive been... doublecounting days it seems

[opaque dove]

Yeah. Apparently

[opaque dove]

Wait; you got to trusted in 8 days Bau?

[obtuse gyro]

then we're squarely in the middle of the 2.Xs

[tight pagoda]

Yeah I'm also at trusted

[obtuse gyro]

ofc not, Ive just been mistakenly adding days

[opaque dove]

How the actual hell

[hearty pendant]

time is a weird soup

[tight pagoda]

It's easy to rizz the french and demons I guess

[solid otter]

I dont think that Albrecht is a void conduit in any way. His void tech would, not Albrecht.

[opaque dove]

Am I Doing something wrong?

[tight pagoda]

I just said "french" twice whoopsies

[solid otter]

HA

[tight pagoda]

Do you have the "All conversations" thing on?

[opaque dove]

No

Don’t think I do

[tight pagoda]

How many redtexts do you get per chat?

[solid otter]

Oh so you just suck/j

[obtuse gyro]

^

[opaque dove]

If I’m lucky? 2 or so.

[tight pagoda]

I normally get 2+ so maybe it is just a chemistry thing

[solid otter]

Reminder you can check the kimulacrum for which gives the most chemistry

[teal steppe]

|| Question... did Albrecht ever get void touched by their small interaction with Wally? If what Roathe is saying is true, then by virtue of proxy, yes? CE is confusing... ||

[obtuse gyro]

cant be as bad as the person who repeatedly ignored roathe and so roathe got locked out of the kim

or rather in-universe roathe blocked them

[obtuse gyro]

||void touched|| is an understatement

[robust swallow]

that ^

[obtuse gyro]

brometheus got ||ravaged||

[solid otter]

||All he got was scarring and trauma. I wouldn't say he has the same form of "void touch" as we did though.||

[opaque dove]

That’s cheating

[tight pagoda]

He does have powers, seemingly

[obtuse gyro]

but I will say ||it might be just all the same for Wally following anyway||

[solid otter]

Oh so Albrecht after Loid one night-
-# ill leave im sorry

[robust swallow]

i let my autism shine in KIM, usually works

[obtuse gyro]

I mean Loids got it too

so either its proximity in the labs

or proximity in the labs

[solid otter]

... I made a joke about Albrecht and Loid being gay

[obtuse gyro]

so did I

[solid otter]

See for me it just pisses them off

OHHH

Wow im so smart

[opaque dove]

I Read the sentences and pray that I did something right (M&V and Flare were rough for me)

[robust swallow]

mm, tasty stuff from the stream

[opaque dove]

But it became clear when I was doing something right

[solid otter]

Hits you with

Uh
... explodes

[hearty widget]

phone is back here

please tell me loid wont be called by it

[solid otter]

This would scare me

[dry cove]

Dang! I messed up on the Roathe chat today. No red text for me!

[flat loom]

FELLOW EGG SCENE HAVER

[plush swan]

How many versions of Lullaby of the Manifold are there?

I know of five:

1. Trailer version
2. "Piano" -- Adis healing
3. Intrumental ("Dusk")
4. Sentient language ("Ironclad") -- trauma boss theme
5. 2026 teaser version

[night grail]

Theres the part from the quest that isnt in the official soundtracks

It isnt dusk its the one ||where the tenno beams the dropships after adis dies||

[willow needle]

What do you think about this?

I'm playing the quests again, from The Second Dream onwards, I'm on The War Within, to see how they look after the remastering of the Operator/Traveler, and something strange happened to me.

⚠️ SPOILER ALERT ⚠️

At one point in the quest, precisely ||When Ordis wants to purge us from the Orbiter||, this image appears in one of his dialogues, but I don't remember who it is:
-# **PS: **I know we can talk about spoilers on this channel, but I'm still hiding it in case someone accidentally enters this channel 😛

[hearty pendant]

bugged
that looks like darvo
which is odd, its usually a lotus image that does.. that

[obtuse gyro]

why is it in the middle LOL

[willow needle]

Oh yes, now that you mention it, yes, it's Darvo. Could it be that they had some dialogue in the quest and it was later excluded?

[hearty pendant]

doubt darvo would have dialogue at that moment
no reason for him to
its most likely just the ordis transmission having an icon when it shouldn't

[solid otter]

LMFAO WHAT IS THAT

[opaque dove]

I just got like 4 red texts with Lyon, what the hell

[willow needle]

Does he like you? 😂

[final sequoia]

Does anyone know which is better to grind out for the school weapons sp or non sp? I’m pretty sure it’s based on orders you do in the rebellion but I’m unsure if yk the are affected by sp or not

[opaque dove]

He is marked liked

[flat loom]

Wide darvo

[obtuse gyro]

honestly if your loadout makes you feel like theres no difference in difficulty run sp so you can get more arcanes

either way youre in there for 12

[final sequoia]

I mean I’m just their grinding for the school stuff I got all the mods and arcanes day one- I’m just wondering if the rewards differ in anyway

[hearty pendant]

the commandeered primes each drop 2 of one of the materials for artifacts in sp

[obtuse gyro]

^

[frigid canopy]

Any French speakers here to help me with what this means? I can get some things via context, but I got nothing here lol

obv, she's saying "Hello" to begin

[obtuse gyro]

hello, do you need anything?

[frigid canopy]

ah, thank you! If I play enough of this game, I'll be trilingual in French, Spanish, and English(My native language, yet somehow not fluent lol)

[hearty pendant]

yea english is Like That

[frigid canopy]

right? I see words I've said aloud on paper and I'm like, "tf??"

[proud ruin]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[obtuse gyro]

after, like quite a bit after

[proud ruin]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tight pagoda]

After, we get our powers from the Deal made when the ship was lost after the accident

[proud ruin]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[timber fiber]

Why are the new pauldrons still bugged

[vague marsh]

should I confess to marie that I'm not a follower of sol ?

[solid otter]

I don't think she minds.

Just don't lie to her. You will be forced to come clean eventually.

[vague marsh]

thx chief 🫡

[dry cove]

How many times we supposed to beat Roathe's ass? He keeps counting the ass beatings!

[plush swan]

Is anyone else having trouble with the 10x melee combo for 45s challenge?

I'm using the Xoris

[obtuse gyro]

21 probably

since there's 21 floors

[solid marten]

So.. Is there a trick for not getting hit by the technocyte coda stage, because this challenge seems like hell for me