spoiler-chat

[tight pagoda]

Wdym? Start it like any other quest and it should direct you to Sanctum Anatomica

[hearty pendant]

^ just in the codex

[mellow isle]

I get there yes, I talk to Devilman and Angewomon, yet I can’t talk to Mr. Slap a back

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah you can't talk to lyon right away

[pine quartz]

Sadly

I wanna show him infinite multishot tho

[tight pagoda]

Ah, there's no quest for the Devil's Triad. Just KIM chats. To talk to Lyon you need to reach Liked with Marie first

[mellow isle]

Yes, these are their names I gave them, they are sticking with me.

[zenith jacinth]

Every 3 gives a free "order complete" bonus

[full atlas]

hows that happen?

[tight pagoda]

As for Descendia, you just approach Navigation. Instead of opening navigation, you'll see another prompt for Dark Refractory

[pine quartz]

Snorting demon core radiation

Thanks qorvex papa

[mellow isle]

I’ll try this

Tyyy :)

[zenith jacinth]

Go to your orbiter/backroom, go to codex, select the quest and click on the start button

[lean cedar]

Gaaaaah. Game crashed between Old Peace missions. Will my place be saved where I was, or am I gonna have to fight the Dactolyst again?

[delicate lagoon]

Has anyone gotten to talk to Lyon yet?

[thorny lichen]

where can i find the "deepest dark" somachord in old peace tile set can't find it after 20 missions i have all the other somachord

[zenith jacinth]

It saves

[digital needle]

Omg it makes so much sense now

[lean cedar]

Good, good. That fight was a right pain the gooter.

[zenith jacinth]

It made sense before too

[digital needle]

Yes I know, but it’s meaning has gotten deeper

[zenith jacinth]

It got annoying how often that line was being brought up recently

It's referring to natah and the night of naga drums

[hearty pendant]

its always that screenshot too lol
alad looks odd in it

[zenith jacinth]

DE hasn't planned towards old peace yet when the line was added

[digital needle]

And it refers also now to ||adis and starting|| the old war

[zenith jacinth]

He looks like he's going :(

[zenith jacinth]

Nope

Still only natah and naga drums

[hearty pendant]

restarting, really
but i'd still say its referring to the naga drums more than anything

[zenith jacinth]

The old war didn't even wipe out an entire civilization so like

It's not referring to old peace

[digital needle]

I’m sorry, but since when is ||destroying all sentient individuality and their food source|| NOT destroying a civilization. Didnt say kill specifically

[zenith jacinth]

Wipe out, not destroy

Sentients don't need food and there are still ones with individual thought

[hearty pendant]

• how would alad know about the old peace
  the event that caused the end of an empire, sure, i believe that would survive long enough for alad to know
  but the old peace? its barely a blip during the war, really

[digital needle]

Not saying that it is the primary reason for the quote, I’m saying that it can be said that it’s a possible reoccurring theme that ‘’bad’’ or just bad things happen when we get close to them

[zenith jacinth]

The end of old peace didn't happen bc we got close with sentients, it happened bc the orokin are pricks

[peak heath]

I wonder what the conditions for Tenno immortality are. We've been previously killed. But the deaths in the Old Peace seemed permanent. Did we gain the ability to revive from Adis?

And certainly there are ways to make the death stick, even with our revives. Such as destroying our oro or whatnot.

[digital needle]

It was easier to ||frame the sentients and Tenno as evil when adis and the operator destroyed, albeit through manipulation, the peace||. Orokin are still jerks though

The closeness made it way easier to manipulate the narrative for the orokin.

[zenith jacinth]

But it's not the reason unlike the naga drums

[digital needle]

As I’m saying, it’s a reoccurring narrative.

Not the direct cause

[zenith jacinth]

Tenno are very much mortal unless helped by external forces

[digital needle]

Also, there’s been a ton of break the cycle narrative points (killing ballas, drifter leaving duviri, 1999 stopping reactor) so that might be a thing in Tau next year too

To finally win while befriending the sentients

[peak heath]

I decided not to kill the rascist Cephalon. Mainly because Adis didn't kill that one Grineer who then likely died anyways.

I wonder how that will butterfly out.

Additionally I don't know if attacking him would've properly destroyed him as we saw Ordis get omnibeamed by Eidolotus.

[quick ice]

I need DE to release the full length track from when we crash out and take Uriel

[peak heath]

Apparently the Somachord is in the Descendia.

For the Devilman crybaby-esqe scene.

[obtuse gyro]

it is out

its Roses from the Abyss

[half light]

can you switch from full melee (hold switch weapon) directly to primary ? it keeps switching to secondary first

[ripe lichen]

are we ever getting a wearable version the operator suit from the old peace? is it available and i just haven't seen it?

[half light]

it was on caliban's prime access

[ripe lichen]

damn

[half light]

tauron prime regalia

[autumn dragon]

Crying bro they gave itzam the halo reach treatment

😭

[autumn dragon]

Damn

[lyric onyx]

sadly it doesn't have the void tongue at the begin tho like in the quest ;-;

[obtuse gyro]

are you perhaps thinking of the Executor track?

[lyric onyx]

nah at the first begining you hear wally say something before you jump up

[obtuse gyro]

hmmm, I need to rewatch that cutscene

[fierce summit]

He says "they're laughing at you up there, kiddo" while the choir in the intro sings ominous latin

[fierce summit]

No voidtongue

[hearty pendant]

the exact moment you hop into the Uriel is missing, i believe, but the roses from the abyss track starts right after

[lyric onyx]

there also void tongue after tho 😅

[obtuse gyro]

love it I dont have to look

Ill need time to check if we know the words

[obtuse gyro]

it think its the track before Roses from the Abyss into roses from the abyss

[hearty pendant]

oh wait the voidtongue there is just the "razul-tarat kanummu" or whatever from the triad teasers

[obtuse gyro]

the one subtitles void tongue in the quest basically breaks down to

submit to our darkness, [you]

[fierce summit]

Executor as a track confuses me; why does Ballas' pallanquin (and the Graduation Ambush it also scores later) deserve a sicknasty void chanting track. The sentient theme pieces I get, but not the voidtongue.

[obtuse gyro]

didnt you disconnect right after that moment?

its ominous yes, but until I get something more about an actually tie between ballas and wally, it feels more like the memory is broaching onto the "secret"

because right after that the murmur attack

[hearty pendant]

yea, i'd point that more towards the outside world getting into the memory (operator also reacts with "you." right before this, which is somewhat weird for that time) than a void/wally-ballas connection

[fierce summit]

You disconnect briefly and Loid warns you about the murmur getting close (the cavia have reverted) but your operator then goes back.
The actual murmur attack occurs after the Zariman Five-Nine scene

Also miffed that the theme that plays during the murmur intermission is not in the official soundtrack

[cedar notch]

Am I supposed to have the Vinquibus on mission 2

Uriel popped in for a brief second between missions and I think it mightve bugged?

[obtuse gyro]

yes

[tight pagoda]

Yes

[obtuse gyro]

no bug, vinquibus is an expected weapon in that theatre

[tight pagoda]

Yeah it's to show off the new weapon type

[cedar notch]

Okay, I had the Trumna and Nikana in the 1st mission and didnt think I would get a different one

[autumn dragon]

Old peace was so fun

Just finished the last mission

[slate swan]

is roathe voiced by emet selch or am i tweaking?

[tidal field]

Nope one Rene Zagger is the va

[slate swan]

bro

[tidal field]

I presume it sounds very similar

[slate swan]

cus it is him

[hearty pendant]

same VA yes

[tidal field]

Oh, that's a different character

I thought that was like an actor 's name or something

[grave quiver]

today's roathe kim was another psychological flangbang, thanks DE

[slate swan]

So happy i get to hear him again i loved him in ff14

that def makes me think about gettin his gemini

[grave quiver]

rebb really does just collect the VAs like pokemon huh

[slate swan]

yea lol

[cedar notch]

Why does the World Seeder Mission run SO smoothly in comparison to the outdoor area's

Literally twice the FPS

[solid otter]

Yeah i really saw that from a mile away

[grave quiver]

if it aint freaky it aint DE

[solid otter]

Nah not even that

Just the summoning to the bath line was

Implicating it so strongly

I should draw that

[grave quiver]

yeah that was.... oh boy.

[solid otter]

Yeah it certainly hit me a little

Like he criticises Loid's relationship with Albrecht but was literally in the same one but worse

[cedar notch]

YOOO

[grave quiver]

yeah. like at least loid wants to be there man wtf

[grave quiver]

enjoy the crashout

[cedar notch]

Daklo was a real one

[hearty pendant]

||"They're laughing at you up there, kiddo."||

[grave quiver]

A REAL ONE??? HE CALLED ADIS A SLUR 💀

[cedar notch]

He was out of pocket for that one, but he saw the Orokin were evil at the end

[grave quiver]

eeeeeeh id more say hes morally grey because of the complexities of it

[slate swan]

I kill daklo

is that controversial?

[cedar notch]

It was his talk in the middle of the quest that made me think he was just trying to be cautious and vigilant, which ultimately led him to seeing how prepared the setup was at the end

[grave quiver]

a bit yea, i dont think saying a slur means you deserve to be blown up

coming from someone whose been on the receiving end btw

but i also totally get it

[hearty pendant]

of being blown up or called a slur /s

[grave quiver]

perchance both

[cedar notch]

I would assume not at the same time though

[grave quiver]

you never know

[cedar notch]

True, someone could invent a Slur Bomb in the future

Just finished Old Peace fully, and damn that was GOOD

[hearty pendant]

hell yeah

[grave quiver]

how was the crashout

i love seeing people's reactions to it

[cedar notch]

Good, getting Uriel to fly was a bit confusing at first

Definitely plan to use Uriel, but I also just got Nokko and hee's also really fun

[grave quiver]

uriel is AWESOME man

[cedar notch]

I hope we get to travel back in time like 1999 and undo what happens, or that when we go to Tau the ending isnt just War

[grave quiver]

i havent actually played him but apparently he prints orbs

[cedar notch]

Nooo my Blessings

[grave quiver]

gotta afk in a relaty

[obtuse gyro]

we... cant undo what has been done

not because its mechanically impossible, but because its necessary for the timeline

[cedar notch]

I wish they hadnt tied the Tauron Suit to the Caliban Prime Access

[grave quiver]

yeah, its the good ol trick of killing your grandfather and sending yourself into chronological limbo because suddenly you dont exist

[cedar notch]

I wonder if we'll do something with the Void to bring the flower back and give the Sentients their freedom again

This reworks making me play Operator again

[grave quiver]

visiting varzia now feels REAL different man

[frozen heart]

Something cool I noticed today, Lyon has Polycoria aka two pupils

||(also his model has 2 eyes despite roathe's voice line stating he doesnt have two eyes.) ||

[grave quiver]

like oh. oh man i didnt know it was like THAT

[cedar notch]

Nah those are just gold orokin medalions!

[grave quiver]

oh wow thats really cool actually

[grave quiver]

"do you have any games on this 'phone' of yours, drifter?"

[cedar notch]

The operation starts the day after I get my Eye Skin removed, hopefully im not in agony and can play the Operation day one

[grave quiver]

your what

[outer crystal]

What is operation blood of pertia?

[grave quiver]

check the website man theres a button to link it in game

[outer crystal]

Sorry you are right

[cedar notch]

Getting an Eye Procedure done to stop my eye from Deforming in shape any further

[grave quiver]

oh boy. hope it goes well man

[solid otter]

Yeah at least Albrecht actually loves him

[cedar notch]

Its supposed to, just takes 3 days of pain to recover from according to the doctors

[solid otter]

You mean obols😭

[cedar notch]

Yeah i was joking, it is really hard to see the eye super well in the photo though

[lyric onyx]

soo the decendia actually has 3 somacords and one of them is roses from the abyss 😎

[grave quiver]

eeeeeeh its albrecht so his love was probably just not being as condescending towards him all day long 💀

[solid otter]

His love was real, he showed it in many ways wdym 😭

[grave quiver]

just a joke cuz albrecht is so AWFUL to everyone

[solid otter]

Ohhh

Albrecht isn't... terrible to everyone

He did care about the hex, he just.

Sucks at showing it

[cedar notch]

He also only shot us ONCE!

[solid otter]

He purposefully let the hex modify their atomicycles for the sake of morale

[grave quiver]

i care about these lads so much that im going to doom them to being slowly consumed by infestation and turned into dolls on strings

and force them to witness horrors beyond their comprehension

[solid otter]

Tbf, they're contained in a loop, and only (until we changed it), of a day

[grave quiver]

💀 im sorry ik what you mean but its really funny

[cedar notch]

What are they doing bro 😭

They floated up and fell down

[grave quiver]

theyre being cheeky

🍑

[cedar notch]

Actually thank god they put this in the Arcane Dissolution menu

Damn just a single Hot Shot

[grave quiver]

rip

[solid otter]

Though Albrecht reminding himself to modify the atomicycles benevolently as so funny

Like did bro not do it benevolently once and blew up a mf

[abstract tapir]

So me and a friend attempted to make the most dumbed down. monkey brain version of the warframe story so ppl who played the whole game could get a swift reminder of events so when they do new quests they aren't fully lost. (FYI this does contain a lot of spoilers and a lot of missing stuff like side quests and stuff like that, bc this was made with the intent to remind an old player not inform a new player.)

[abstract tapir]

||Albrect void discovery - zariman oopsie whoopsie + duviri creation - tau war - tau peacy treaty - tau war again - Beating of the Naga Drums - back to the origin system - cryosleep - lotus steals the moon - tenno awaken - grineer/corpus slaughter - main story until second dream - War within - The New War - whisper in the walls - 1999 quest/Old peace||

[cedar notch]

What the dog doin bruh

[lean cedar]

So what's the name of the music that plays during ||your rampage as Uriel|| at the end of the quest?

[hearty pendant]

Roses of the Abyss, i believe

[solid otter]

Yeah this is pretty good ngl

[thick jolt]

https://youtu.be/R5iRY9sj4n8?si=WPxEKhLwKIG-0UYA

[lean cedar]

Very first result when you search "old peace ost" on Youtube. Fitting.

Hey, not arguing. It slaps.

[cedar notch]

Wait thats actually awesome

Sagek is backwards Gotva oh my god

Okay some of the Honoria seem to be placed on the wrong end of the name

[hearty pendant]

some are prefixes, some are affixes

[cedar notch]

Usually The Sundered is an Affix isnt it?

[hearty pendant]

either/or
i could see <name> the Sundered or The Sundered <name>

[cedar notch]

Yeah some of them are both

Just some of them down seem right

Spore Bearer should be a Prefix though right?

if it was "The Spore Bearer" then I think an Affix would be fine, but its missing that

[hearty pendant]

that one would work with a comma, but is a little weird as-is

<name>, spore bearer

[cedar notch]

Yeah, although I guess they all appear above the head, in which case it doesnt matter if its a Prefix or Affix as much, but I think on the Profile Screen it might matter

[obtuse gyro]

stealing the moon I think belongs to before naga drums

need to check

[cedar notch]

I need to go get a lot of Ganglion

[hearty pendant]

it is described as "void-locked lua" in the voruna leverian
but not sure if that's saying it is in the void already or what

[thick jolt]

Could be about the conjunction itself yeah

[cobalt scroll]

strange that we can't talk to Lyon even once

also does Lyon sell anything?

[obtuse gyro]

brother talk to marie first

he doesnt talk to you because he aint got nothing to say to you

[cobalt scroll]

day 3 already though, I even bought 2 tauron weapons

[cobalt scroll]

but did he sell anything good? or he just there for lore?

[obtuse gyro]

kim chat lmao

[obtuse gyro]

deco vendor

[cobalt scroll]

oh deco, nice

[fathom nexus]

Were there Jade Eximus in Old Peace?

[obtuse gyro]

there were barely any eximus in the quest lol

[cobalt scroll]

imagine gate keep because you not interested in us

[obtuse gyro]

the one eximus I saw was from a friendly grineer LOL

[hearty pendant]

i haven't seen any jade eximus
but also i've seen like. four eximus total so

[cobalt scroll]

from the codex, no, there is no Jade eximus

other one is blast one, no heat either

[hearty pendant]

oh so the jade light can make its way to 1999 but not into our altered memories /s

[cobalt scroll]

I mean it's wally

He would put Jade eximus in for fun

[gaunt valley]

So, where are the finishers?

[cobalt scroll]

Heck I think Eximus in 1999 is actually Wally creation to blend in

[cobalt scroll]

what?

[gaunt valley]

The focus school weapon stuff

I don't remember the name

[cobalt scroll]

Naramon I think?

what about it?

[mild needle]

oh the focus school ults?

[hearty pendant]

the artifacts can be bought from marie in the sanctum, find the portal near the mission start area

[gaunt valley]

Yes

[mild needle]

you can get them from Marie with materials farmed from the Perita Rebellion missions

[cobalt scroll]

btw what will the new operation give (currency wise)

[mild needle]

(you'll need to farm each mission type roughly equally iirc)

[fathom nexus]

Some 2 worded name.

[hearty pendant]

"Marks of Valiance"

[fathom nexus]

Ok 3 worded name

[cobalt scroll]

does it give boost material of the Old Peace gamemode?

[hearty pendant]

doesn't look like it

[eager dagger]

So what exactly charges up Sauron strikes?

[fathom nexus]

IDK, compare vestigial motes with volatile motes

[cedar notch]

I wish I could change my Choice for the Lotus' name to Lotus

[cobalt scroll]

also does booster work on these material? like those give one to level up Tauron strike

[hearty pendant]

kills and gaining focus points via lenses or the orbs

[fathom nexus]

That one typo gave me flashbacks

[cedar notch]

Lord of the Rings Typo

[cobalt scroll]

and having arcane, mod that give initial charge (or charge regen) is really nice

[eager dagger]

Lmfao I mean to say what charges up TAURON strikes 🤣

[fathom nexus]

"Sauron the Dinosaur-man"

[eager dagger]

Everyone know Sauron strikes just takes the one ring

No but seriously wtf charges up tauron strikes because I am not having a good time after spending days farming it I’ve used it twice charging it is very vauge

[fathom nexus]

I haven't tried it yet, but I may have a way to cheat it

[mild needle]

^^^^^^^^is how you charge it up

[eager dagger]

Tell the people

[fathom nexus]

Brightbonnet, before the update, used to charge operator energy

[eager dagger]

I have a lens on my frame and it’s agaonizingly slow to charge

[fathom nexus]

IDK if it charges the strike gauge though

[eager dagger]

Operator energy doesn’t matter that won’t charge the strike it’s vaugly tied to focus pick ups

[fathom nexus]

IDK, u can never confirm until u try

[eager dagger]

I have lol it’s not operator energy based and DE is vague about what charges it

[mild needle]

there are also tauron strike mods that increase your starting charge (ive heard there's an overall charge rate one but i havent gotten that drop yet lol)

[eager dagger]

Yeah I have the max you can start off with already slotted

[fathom nexus]

I got the initial charge mod

[mild needle]

kills and the focus lens spirals

[eager dagger]

Kills as the operator or frame tho?

[mild needle]

i believe both count, the number is just pretty high iirc

[eager dagger]

Will have to test that out

[cobalt scroll]

it's the arcane

[mild needle]

Ayy 'preciate it

[cobalt scroll]

you need a lens

[tight fulcrum]

Why couldn’t the dark refractory be a separate tab like rail jack and duviri instead of a completely different option away from navigation? The only slight issue I could find would be kuva fortress being occasionally blocked

[fading current]

I GOT MY FOCUS SCHOOL ULTIMATE LETS GOOOO

[shadow forum]

To be honest that is the one we need. And it rocks.

[amber terrace]

Lukewarm take: out of the Operator/Uriel crash outs I’ve seen, Raven’s voice feels the most angry

[upbeat kiln]

Probably fair, Heron doesn't sound as mad as he should, moreso like he's in a hurry

[amber terrace]

With Raven’s tone, it feels like the one time DE could drop the f bomb and have it be justified

[sullen marlin]

solo perita so ez

[cedar notch]

Do I farm Descendia 21 for Roathe? Do any other levels drop anything of note to farm for?

[rancid pilot]

Floor 21 drops BP's for Uriel and Vinquibus parts, the materials needed to craft them are from perita rebellion

[cedar notch]

I saw someone mention Archon Shards dropping in Descendia? Is it a per person chance to appear in the reward list?

[rancid pilot]

The other floors for descendia (specifically 19) drop the tokens for the new arcane and bp's for Uriel parts, vinquibus parts and the new melee and secondary

[rancid pilot]

One time drop

[cedar notch]

Is it better to farm 19-21 or just 21?

[woven cypress]

I kinda just realized that with the whole graduation scene we basically got married with Adis

[rancid pilot]

You can't start on 19, only 14, so if you want you get the arcanes (and save tokens to just get the blueprints you need) and farm Uriel, do 14-21,
Just farming uriel, just do 21

[cedar notch]

Okay, I think I had a group with me that already cleared and they started at 0

[rancid pilot]

Also floor 19 has a bunch of containers and a time limit, so bring something to break them

[cedar notch]

Not sure if they just wanted to or not

[rancid pilot]

Yeah there isn't really a reason to start from 0 in terms of farming

[candid geyser]

I saw a video where leaving mission on 20 lets u keep the loot from 19

was it fixed?

[wary igloo]

illiteracy immediately invalidates your entire argument, which is blatantly wrong and an entirely different thing than what's directly presented to you on a silver platter (like really? entrati infecting flare turns entrati into temple??? that makes even less sense than what you're talking about lmao)

[rancid pilot]

No idea, but don't do that in Pub's or with randos

[lament pumice]

Ash Prime is just as much of a nightmare to fight as I imagined him to be

[craggy fog]

hi guys

i have questions about the supposed thing where if u beat roathe multiple times his voicelines change

or the other way around im not sure

[deft heath]

My operator: "bish ballas. Everyday I live I'm reminded of reasons to hate you and each reason makes me hate you even more. You are a lousy, ungrateful, spoiled brat in the body of a man with an elongated hand to stroke your oversized ego with. You keep screwing everyone over and somehow your stunt with devouring the sun is not your worst felony. Recoil in piss ball sack, no one misses you"
Roathe and drifter listening to this:

[obtuse gyro]

shoot

[craggy fog]

that was the question

about roathe

what are the voicelines that get triggered if you beat him/if he beats you, im confused as to what the conditional is

[obtuse gyro]

the conditional is listening to his voice messages 21 times

[craggy fog]

what voice message

[cerulean kiln]

Have you done all 21 floors of hell?

[craggy fog]

yea i have

[obtuse gyro]

just once?

[craggy fog]

just once yes

twice actually

[obtuse gyro]

then youre not even close to the dangerzone LOL

[craggy fog]

what voice messages should i be looking for

what the hell is the dangerzone

[obtuse gyro]

on your kim

[cerulean kiln]

I did it 21 times just because there's 21 floors

[craggy fog]

woaahhh okok

yea i just checked it i got one

[cerulean kiln]

If you do it 19 times he gets mad seeing it as he’s got enough

[obtuse gyro]

to be clear

[craggy fog]

enough what

[obtuse gyro]

he'll only be mad if you have 21 counts of listening to him extremely early

thats the dangerzone

[craggy fog]

early?

[uncut solar]

People are talking about some sort of thermometer with Roathe's kim chat and I can't see it anywhere

[cerulean kiln]

I don't see it either

Maybe they think the yellow line is it when it isn't

[uncut solar]

Does doing descendia often enough do something bad to him? What are you all talking about?

[craggy fog]

so he doesnt like talking too much at once

[obtuse gyro]

not that

[obtuse gyro]

no he loves yapping

[swift warren]

I want to know one thing: What's Descendia's purpose? Do we beat him 'till he regains his memories?

[obtuse gyro]

literally yes

[craggy fog]

im confused now

[cerulean kiln]

At 21 he says he's finished and doesn't need you to do it again

[obtuse gyro]

theres a Thermometer counter thats hidden, that certain options increase or decrease, this will affect the ending

[craggy fog]

what ending

[obtuse gyro]

the conclusion of Roathe's kim chats

[shrewd sphinx]

Ah crap

[craggy fog]

already ? its only been out like 2 days

so thats 2 days worth of convos

[obtuse gyro]

its also going to be very obvious which ones might UP the temp or DOWN the temp

[obtuse gyro]

lol no

I have a crystal ball

and a metric ton of confusing flowcharts

the KIMulacrum lives

[craggy fog]

sure

[cerulean kiln]

What actually happens if you don't reach the dangerzone

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, everyone is going to skip right past it

the VMs are timegated

the only way into there is to reset

[cerulean kiln]

So do you get them if you don't reach it?

[obtuse gyro]

what is them

like I cannot understate how much roathe yaps

theres a metric ton of "thems" in it

[cerulean kiln]

The VM

[obtuse gyro]

ok now dont reach what?

[cerulean kiln]

The danger zone

[obtuse gyro]

if you dont get the VMs, you cannot up the HellStory Counter, if you cannot up the HellStory counter, you will not trigger that entire side of roathe's kims

[cerulean kiln]

Do you get the VM by beating him up a bunch of times or just getting to final level of the game mode?

[craggy fog]

ur really bad at explaining this

[obtuse gyro]

Im not sure if its triggered just by level 21, or if its triggered by full clears of all 21 levels

[cedar notch]

I did the whole Steel Path Descent and had a VM waiting once I completed a portion of his first conversation, I got 2 red texts in it (the first conversation)

[cerulean kiln]

I'll see if patch notes say anything

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, its predicated on an understanding of how the KIMs work

especially the concept of "endings" which we only learned about with the roundtable

[cedar notch]

Hopefully whoever made the whole site with the fully detailed breakdown of all the 1999 KIMs updates for the new ones

[obtuse gyro]

its already done, how do you think I know all I know about how to progress in Roathe's kims

[craggy fog]

ur really bad at explaining why youre bad at it too

[cedar notch]

Its missing the Marie intro conversation I had interestingly

[obtuse gyro]

its actually convo 1.5

[cedar notch]

oh

Yeah its there, thats weird

[obtuse gyro]

dont ask me why lol

[cedar notch]

I already missed out on 5 chemistry

[tough vine]

How long does it take to bag marie

[cerulean kiln]

Shouldn't take too long

[obtuse gyro]

is this meant to be rage bait or do you genuinely not get that I said you need to know how the KIMs work to understand what I said about roathes KIM

[delicate glacier]

I'm gonna assume Uriel looking similar to chainsaw man was deliberate, and I will put Ripkas on him when I finally build him

[jade falcon]

Chat. Did you, or did you not kill Daklo? Did you kill him straight away or hear him out then kill him? Personally, I let him go

[delicate glacier]

he called Adis the hard R, that begets instant death

[livid portal]

Good choice

[jade falcon]

Duality of man Tenno

[craggy fog]

ur making it needlessly complicated by bringing up shit without actually saying what they are

[delicate glacier]

killing Daklo would be a mercy anyway, him being a Cephalon

[craggy fog]

just makes it more confusing

[jade falcon]

Yeah but racist Ordis is kinda funny idk why

[delicate glacier]

where is recast ordis? i havent heard any of the new lines

[obtuse gyro]

ok which ones

[livid portal]

Made a new slur

[obtuse gyro]

Ill go through each one until you get it

[lament pumice]

He called Adis the hard R and he was a bigot. On Sol, I krumped that little [REDACTED]

[delicate glacier]

ong we love and defend Adis Truth Nuke

[simple patrol]

I wish the operator could have good dreams. we finished the quest, someone male him dream of having lunch with Adis instead of ultra PTSD horror show

[jade falcon]

No, racist, not recast

[lament pumice]

Idc how cooked Nihil made your brain when you got glassed, you do NOT sling slurs at my friends

[livid portal]

Nihil is the goat with fashion I must say

[simple patrol]

Racist as in gamer

[delicate glacier]

of all the things Orokin do, racism would be a casual monday on the list of daily atrocities

[jade falcon]

...would it be offensive to call a Grineer a cloner?

[undone lodge]

He became unracist if you hear him out

[undone lodge]

Vat rat

[delicate glacier]

we already have one via Daughter

[jade falcon]

Also, aren't we technically Void-luggers?

[simple patrol]

Nihil looking at Geff the potato farmer getting glasses for saying an orokins shoes were fruity like "I wonder what this xenophobia knob does"

[delicate glacier]

and yea "Vat rat"

[simple patrol]

No we weren't lugging construction material. We were blinking

[jade falcon]

Ohh

[lament pumice]

Heard him out, he still got what he deserved. We all lift Daklo's little corpse into the bin together

[delicate glacier]

void blinkas

[simple patrol]

Physical labor was the sentients job and they sucked at it

If the sentients were so good at building how come they couldn't construct a way to not die?

Stupid robots

[jade falcon]

I know it's unlikely, but I want to see Valdur in Tau next year

[craggy fog]

what does beating him 21 times actually do
whats the dangerzone
whats the hellstory

[lament pumice]

Valdur was a real one for sure. Shame he probably got executed for not bringing Adis in

[simple patrol]

Bro it's been over a thousand years, he is dust. Maybe he gets conceptual embodiment tho

[craggy fog]

i honestly did not expect it to be this extensive so i got overwhelmed earlier im ngl i apologise for lashing out

[shrewd sphinx]

I finally finished the Old Peace
It was a New Peak

[jade falcon]

What if: you got Daklo's corpse as a reward after the quest of you killed him? (Obviously you could get it on re-plays of the mission if you do kill him)

[shrewd sphinx]

Im sad now

[craggy fog]

it made me really sad

[simple patrol]

Me when

[lament pumice]

I would adorn the Conclave terminal I never used with fried racist robo-chicken

[jade falcon]

...never have I heard such wording.. it is peak

[simple patrol]

The old peace made me sad too... It just didn't hit as hard as other big story quests like the Hex. 7/10

[shrewd sphinx]

I took too much screenshots of Adis, Op and them both together

[undone lodge]

What about Kaelli?

[cerulean kiln]

Before we had Backroom I literally made Conclave terminal sleep outside

[shrewd sphinx]

Did we get married to Adis?

[cerulean kiln]

No

[lament pumice]

My Conclave terminal is covered is so much crap it isnt even recognizable as a terminal

[shrewd sphinx]

Also the Uriel run was cool as shit

[simple patrol]

Gonna be honest I like Adis' sentient face more than the mask. It's more honest and truthful and there's more emotion in them when they need to rely on body movement

[obtuse gyro]

Beating him 21 times will stack a counter called HellKeyPlayed, which basically is a thing that tracks the number of times played, this will in turn trigger the game to send you a voice message from roathe, currently two per day(? Subject to investigation), but it will catch up (so if you only started today and you beat him 21 times, you should get about 5-6 voice messages)

everytime you open a voice message, it will stack another counter called HellStory. HellStory only really matters when it reaches 21 and above. The "dangerzone" is an area within Roathe's conversations, where having your HellStory Counter be 21 and above, will have him act very hostile to you, with good reason.

This "dangerzone" only exists in the first few conversations, from what I can tell down the road he wont act like that even if your HellStory counter is 21 and above.

By right, no one should be able to hit the "dangerzone" now, because as mentioned you get up to two voice messages per day, and theres 21 of them, so thats like, a week and more worth of conversations which should bring you out of the "dangerzone"

[simple patrol]

Also kinda hypocritical of Adis "you had to kill a member of my species who went insane and tried to murder you. How could you?" Like she hasn't been massacring humans with me.

[undone lodge]

Platonic joyfriend or whatever the word is

[craggy fog]

ohhhh

[lament pumice]

Old Peace was rough for the Operator for sure. Reliving Adis' death, being forced to save Ball Ass and being baited into executing his plan. I hope that Perita wasnt the only source of Xenoflora, or Tau is gonna be depressing as hell when we reach it

[cerulean kiln]

If a member of your family just got killed even if it had to happen because of events would you just not care?

[obtuse gyro]

I mean the very big difference is that that instead of an opposing combatant, this was someone who was forcefully controlled by the other side

[craggy fog]

i dont think it was just that its also that he was a healer, and also already sensitive about sentients being targetted for seeminly just discovering themselves, on top of that also knowing that as a healer you cannot heal them back from that (signified by him removing his mask and showing his face being similar to that of the dactolyst, meaning he is also subject to the same cruelty if possible)

basically racism

[undone lodge]

He also, like, forgives you right after, just got messed up because you put a family member of his down in front of him while he tried to heal them

[simple patrol]

Was it a family member? How do sentient families work? I know lotus has a mom and dad but how does reproduction work when they are robuts

[undone lodge]

We don’t know

We know they can make their fragment things, and the actual childmaking presumably requires two, but thats it

[craggy fog]

not a family member no, it was one of the military units

[lament pumice]

What we can infer is that travelling the solar rails damages their reproduction system beyond repair

[cerulean kiln]

Just through the Void

[undone lodge]

It should straight up be lethal, but Praghasa protected them so it was only infertility

[craggy fog]

"keep your ships on the ground or else ill be serving up your lost lamb" galastra to valdur

that must be someone from the military unit then

[simple patrol]

Adis comes to you and asks if you're ready to make a baby. When you turn to them, bewildered, you see them holding a "baby sentient assembly kit"

[craggy fog]

WHAT

[lament pumice]

Aha, I know this reference!

[cerulean kiln]

We need more Sentient creation lore

[simple patrol]

Someone's seen the best 2000's animated movie

[lament pumice]

Hell yeah

[craggy fog]

thank you that makes more sense now

[obtuse gyro]

Its still subject to change as I dig throught the convos

because roathe's flow charts

are massive

Like no spoilers here beause the texts are too small to read

but this is Roathe 1.3

Everything on the left is from HellStory above 21

Although if im reading it right...

holy canoli the dangerzone might be even smaller than I realised

[simple patrol]

Mmmmm

Canoli

https://tenor.com/view/desserts-sweets-delicious-dessert-mashups-desserts-creation-gif-13802784

[craggy fog]

absolutely do not regret buying the uriel bundl

[cerulean kiln]

Does Roathe have a special convo if you go to him as Uriel?

[shrewd sphinx]

I like my friend Adis

I miss my friend Adis

[cerulean kiln]

Should've used last gasp on him

[shrewd sphinx]

I was on cooldown

Btw, what kind of power did Adis' light give us if its not revive (I saw some people argue its not rev)

[fickle estuary]

My Drifter went out of the mirror

[craggy fog]

not that ive seen, no

[fickle estuary]

is this meant to be Wally 😭

[cerulean kiln]

That's you

You're the one in the Mirror
Wally goes into walls

[fickle estuary]

well im clearly not in the mirror

smh

[craggy fog]

just seems to be smth that raises power levels, i would assume, and the same way drifter got his power boosted thru the hex, maybe finding out the nature of the energy adis lent us which makes us immortal is the next step?

[cerulean kiln]

You exited the mirror

Just get back in

[floral badge]

Hihihi

[craggy fog]

also i didnt realise that u can actually go to the dark refeactory

like, physically

[shrewd sphinx]

Hmm, makes sense now

[mossy axle]

So I just finished playing the Old Peace. What'd you guys think of it?

[floral badge]

I did think if it was possible but never bothered to check

[shrewd sphinx]

Also damn those Commander Frames, I want those, theyre big as hell

[craggy fog]

drifter revives with his duviri replay mechanic, operator revives with ? (answered now with adis)

this was hinted at before that we would just keep coming back because of ballas' "you cant kill the devil, but you can send it back to hell"

[craggy fog]

theres nothing there tbh, u see the lotus standing and u cant even interact with her

probably will be added later

[floral badge]

Maybe on 16th or future updates when we do actually go to Tau

[mossy axle]

I realize that the phrase that Rell said about "little piggy" We say it too. Did Rell tap into the past, and pick that up?

[craggy fog]

probably just influence of wally

before going into uriel "theyre laughing at you up there, kiddo" he was trying to set us aflame on the ones at tauron academy, id assume the rage was a fueled by wally a little bit - literally (due to void powers possibly strengthening) and figuratively (with the goading)

[floral badge]

I think that Tenno had that ability naturally without Adis

[craggy fog]

hard to say, cus we did die, and we werent gonna get up on our own. the arg shows accounts of tenno dying, who were unable to revive themselves

also the infinite revives option showing up just then... feels like void energy from our end and healing(and possibly xenoflora infused?) energy from adis' mustve triggered that, dont u think?

[rotund belfry]

guys i've done the old peace, where do you get the new operator ultimates and all of that

[undone lodge]

Marie

[rotund belfry]

ty, goat

[craggy fog]

play the new modes and unlock them from marie ya

[floral badge]

Thats sequence reminded me alot of stare ars jedi survivor though was cool

Pretty sure Wally just made them angrier and pushed them towords doing that the voice line is probably just Wally making them say that

[craggy fog]

the thing about margulis having to make us forget makes me think that if we were awake and we remembered everything, it would fill us with so much hate that maybe we would turn to the indifference - maybe? the rap tap tap does signify that possibly but margulis essentially put a stop to it

[floral badge]

Idk definetly need the devs to clarify

[craggy fog]

because honestly what need is there to make us forget? we dont know yet

yea they will at some point, but finding out the direct connecting point to second dream is insaaaane

like thats where we started, essentially

[floral badge]

I do see it as a dark side kinda thing like Operator would just take on the Orokin at that point so she also didn't want Ballas to die

[craggy fog]

soon after margulis died it was the night of naga drums, right? im not exactly sure myself where it falls on the sequence of events

[obtuse gyro]

not soon after

Margulis dies some time after the end of the Old Peace, afterwards ballas starts scheming with Hunhow

[craggy fog]

wait

[obtuse gyro]

Hunhow then attacks Lua, destroys the solar rail, then fakes his death

and then the Night of Naga Drums

[craggy fog]

i thought the old war was before the old peace?

[obtuse gyro]

the old peace is in the middle of the old war

[craggy fog]

ohhh okok

that makes sense actually

[floral badge]

Yeah cause we also work with Lotus for a bit too

[craggy fog]

yea i was wondering where that was gonna come in

[zenith jacinth]

he

[wise cave]

New objective.

[zenith jacinth]

amazing

[floral badge]

I mean the sentient was not himself as he lost his mind so it is a bit different as he hoped to wear him down and fix it and hes also bassicly a child

[stoic umbra]

i think i went too deep

[cerulean kiln]

Bout time someone called out how stupid Wally being a god is that isn't us players

[floral badge]

[pliant saffron]

You'd think our ship would be stronger with it using one of his fingers

[undone lodge]

It only uses that for travel

[cerulean kiln]

Hey, fast travel void hole thing is pretty powerful

[pliant saffron]

Only? Well that's a waste of perfectly good void

[cerulean kiln]

Tbh we only have a replica version

Wally could take it any time

But he only wants the original

[pliant saffron]

And do we know where the original is?

[cerulean kiln]

No

Not even Wally does

Somehow

[pliant saffron]

I feel like there is a lot of ork and Percy Jackson logic going on here

[undone lodge]

?

[pliant saffron]

40k orks believe something works strong enough, it does. Example: red paint makes everything faster

[fierce kiln]

roathe thinks wally is just conceptual embodiment so yes

it might go that way

[cerulean kiln]

Roathe is actually correct at this point with all we've got

[fierce kiln]

he denies its a god, which id disagree with to some extend

[pliant saffron]

And the Percy Jackson part is belief being us and everyone else who knows of the void, shaping wally but not controlling its agency

[fierce kiln]

yeah his wall form is quite literally bc of how albrecht described him as the man trapped inside the wall in his vitruvian

[cerulean kiln]

And his existence is because Albrecht did CE

[undone lodge]

Can’t be

[undone lodge]

Way too little people have known of him, and his capabilities just don’t match up to that kind of thing

[pliant saffron]

How few do you need once a multiverse gets collapsed into a single timeline for all tenno

[undone lodge]

More than the like 6 people who knew about him for most of existence

Probably more than the relative few who know him now

And that’s not even getting into the weirdly specific things they’d have to be believing for him and his fingers to be able to do the things they do

[pliant saffron]

Side tangent to this but also possibly not. Do we know, lore wise, why the void damage is a bullet attraction effect?

Because maybe the void is just that conceptually volatile, that even if I'm directing void into my gun and shoot, logic dictates that I want more shots to hit what I'm shooting

[fickle estuary]

The void mushroom's effect describes the bullet attraction as "unluckiness" iirc

so its something to do with fate I think

[pliant saffron]

That's wierd af

[pliant saffron]

I wouldn't call that too reliable, as that's more of a guy just trying to comprehend what he is seeing

[fierce kiln]

wally embodies entropy, so void status speeds up your demise basically lmao

[pure merlin]

Are we supposed to get a VM from Roathe everytime we beat him ? I only got 8 vm's from him and haven't receive any since, despite beating him for the 15th time, kind of stopped out of nowhere

[pliant saffron]

So wally controls all real world instances of void?

[fierce kiln]

he has dialogue for your first 21 times you kill him after that its taken from a pool of repeated lines

roathe

[fickle estuary]

Yknow if Wally is the result of conceptual embodiment not believing in gods would have been the Orokin Empire's greatest mistake
If most citizens of the Orokin Empire believed in a all powerful god that protects them, conceptual embodiment would spawn a super charged void entity that actually protects them

[fierce kiln]

no, wally is an entity but not the void itself

[fickle estuary]

religion in warframe has the potential to be one of the strongest things if you spread it enough

[pure merlin]

No, I meant the voice messages you get on POM

[pliant saffron]

Then what's dictating non tenno interactions with the nonono?

[fierce kiln]

hmm good point

[fickle estuary]

hell if enough people in Warframe believe in heaven and hell they probably do actually exist within some distant part of the void

or something close to them

[stoic umbra]

i think at one point we'll have a coffee chat with the indifference

[pliant saffron]

Thats..... that's not good

[fierce kiln]

tbf with how the descendia skybox looks that might actually be the case already

literal lava as far as you can see

[thick cedar]

Lava that doesn’t follow the laws of gravity btw

So it’s even scarier

[fickle estuary]

descendia is weird, isnt it meant to be built out of memories or something like the rebellion missions?

but like why does Roathe have memories of a giant molten hellscape

and if its not memories why does it act differently from when the operator uses it

[loud dock]

it's an exaggeration of his hysteria and crimes done under nitokh

[pliant saffron]

This is really not helping my references to 40k if all this is in the void..... it's just making wally sound more like a chaos god

[loud dock]

(and a dante's inferno type referential meta commentary)

[fickle estuary]

yeah the void really just seems like the warp LOL

Wally even makes fragments of himself to use as soldiers in real space, just like how chaos gods use fragments of themselves to make lesser and greater daemons

the fragmented ones are basically his greater daemons too

oh yeah and Vor is his daemon prince

formar mortal ascended into a immortal entity that acts with the will of their patron

[violet cipher]

they keep telling us that Tau will not be the place we remember

what do you guys expect from tau 2026?

maybe they have civilizations there

[pliant saffron]

It also puts perspective on the nonono, he might not be directly controlling it, but because he is the controller of the realm, all leaks share his focus, entropy. But, because they are not patrons, it's an affliction

[loud dock]

perita's probably gonna be just a single blip on the starmap for tau
effectively its lua
they can craft multiple planets easily out there

[undone lodge]

You can’t CE outside of the Void

Needs to be happening inside or in a really Voidy area

[spare coral]

i LOVE how zenurik stupid book doesnt aim at the point i aimed when i did the ult

[fickle estuary]

Probably various sentient factions with very different designs

[violet cipher]

yup, and when you turn to aim at it the ability is already over

[fickle estuary]

Hivemind sentients, murmur cult, free thinkng ones etc?

also praying for sentient city tileset

[pliant saffron]

What's CE stand for, brain farting

[fickle estuary]

conceptual embodiment

[haughty peak]

i think we will have grineer and sentient factions on tau still fighting each other, probably some more focus on the effects of the flowers

[pliant saffron]

K

[fickle estuary]

😭 tau grineer

actually tau grineer wouldnt have the influence of the queens

[pliant saffron]

So what's stopping us from doing so in the future, now that we have artifacts steeped in raw void?

[fickle estuary]

it would be interesting to see how they could have turned out

[cerulean kiln]

Nah Vor just thinks Wally is gonna recruit him

[violet cipher]

my dream is:

• tau 2026 is indeed a tau star chart
• it release with 1-2 planets
• the other planets are there but locked bc of sol rail or smth
• the rest of the year will have minor updates which every update adding 1 new planet

also they only have good missions types

[undone lodge]

We’re using our own Void power for that stuff, you need a Voidy area, like the Zariman, which is plugging the hole, or the Labs, which have whatever the hell is we should call whats going on with them

[violet cipher]

no defection, hijack

[fickle estuary]

Eh you could make hijack good tbh

add side-objectives that can speed it up or smth

[violet cipher]

tau cascade for the love of god

add another cascade node

please

[haughty peak]

we saw at least 6 locations on different planets in the quest? i hope theyre full fledged planets but idk if DE will go that far

[violet cipher]

love that gamemode but man playing the same tileset over and over gets kinda boring

[fickle estuary]

I will cry if all of Tau is just a single "planet" like 1999 😭

[undone lodge]

We’ve had ruptures and storms and weird Void crystals for ages, hell the system is steeped in Void energy from the Heart, it takes a lot

[violet cipher]

i wouldnt mind if the first update is like that and later updates add to their star system

i think more than 1-2 planets at once is too much

[fickle estuary]

oh yeah like if its in parts that fine

[tall timber]

guys, what does the "roll the dice" do in kuomei shrine?

[fickle estuary]

OMG YEAH
IF WE GET TAU WE CAN GET SENTIENT RAILJACK

SENTIENT SCAPEL NO LONGER DOES LITERALLY NOTHING!!!!

[haughty peak]

i felt like this quest was just a preview and we will get the complete experience next year honestly, also the whole cathedral thing could at least have been incorporated more into 1999, i found it weird they decided to add it to the sanctum

[pliant saffron]

Wasn't there mentioning of more railjack content?

[cerulean kiln]

Not even Origin had all planets straight away

[cobalt flume]

Why did our operator say rap tap tap in one peace

[undone lodge]

Wally influence

[violet cipher]

the sanctum is getting crownded

[fickle estuary]

we actually agreed with what Wally was saying for once and were probably influenced by him

[merry comet]

so do we know how margulis and similar sentients are, well... sentient? there's no blooms anymore, right?

[pliant saffron]

Load screen def go na be different

[haughty peak]

im probably one of the 5 people who actually enjoyed railjack so i hope they do more railjack

[undone lodge]

No clue

[cerulean kiln]

Rebb talks about it in an interview

[cobalt flume]

hmmmm i see

[fickle estuary]

could have found a different method maybe'

[violet cipher]

yes, Rebecca said there will be railjack talks in 2026

[cerulean kiln]

Margulis isn't a sentient

[merry comet]

er

[pliant saffron]

Sounds like travel to tau missions

[merry comet]

natah

[fathom nexus]

We'll think about Railjack in 2025.
We'll talk about RJ in 2026.
We'll bring RJ content in 2027.

[fickle estuary]

also blooms being extinct because they went extinct on one planet is kinda weird? Wouldnt the sentients have stations and other planets that also needed the blooms

[haughty peak]

he got mad and got influenced by wally while using the devil frame

[fathom nexus]

And here comes my theory.

[fickle estuary]

we see them on the tauron academy so its not like they cant grow outside of the planet

[fathom nexus]

UrAnus

Hunhow is guarding it

That's my guess

He's growing more sentient meth.

[haughty peak]

i think what we will see next will be us helping the sentient save the flowers or at least some missions protecting it

[undone lodge]

“Lavos, Yareli, we need to cook”

[cerulean kiln]

The real question is how Hunhow is fine with no flowers

[fathom nexus]

Hive Mind
What exactly is hive mind if not hunhow?

[haughty peak]

maybe they figured out what on the flowers made them sentient and managed to incorporate that into themselves or something

[merry comet]

maybe it's a power thing? like if you're a big and tough enough sentient you can kinda tank it?

[fickle estuary]

oh yeah its funny how basically the sentients got free will because of space opium 😭

[fathom nexus]

It's a % thing.
Hive Mind will be lead by one with highest mental %.

[fathom nexus]

Nokko 2.0

[haughty peak]

i usually associate hive mind with the infested in warframe but i dont think thats what they meant, it probably just means they lose their individuality

[fathom nexus]

Yes
Who has the highest power in that hive?

[rotund belfry]

where do you equip the new mods???

[fathom nexus]

My guess is that Hunhow always wanted war, some got free will, they decided not to follow hunhow.

[haughty peak]

did you unlock one of the new upgrades?

[fickle estuary]

Using Caliban on Tau will be hard mode, every time you try to use your summons the flower gas in the air will make them sentient and have them unionize

[rotund belfry]

idk, i just did the old peace and i am farming for the zenurik grimoire ultimate thing

[fickle estuary]

and you will have them give them a living wage for them to actually help you

[ionic cloak]

We need to go to Uranus chat with grandpa Hunhow fr now

[fathom nexus]

Perhaps that's where being half warframe solves the problem

Ain't no way Ballas didn't think that through

[haughty peak]

once you get that you can equip the mods on the same screen you mod your amps and stuff like that, it will be obvious once you get it

[rotund belfry]

ight, tysm

[fathom nexus]

Remember that controlled caliban prime had summons

Those summons didn't have free will

[fickle estuary]

wouldnt the old peace sentients see that as like

the slavery warframe lmfao

😭

[fathom nexus]

Maybe those summons are just unalive puppets

[haughty peak]

or maybe since caliban is kinda of an hybrid they just go help him because hes cool

like he just calls his friends and they go everytime

[fathom nexus]

He shows his hybrid biceps and makes his fan following

[haughty peak]

hes an idol and those are his fans, its cannon now.

[fickle estuary]

peak

[undone lodge]

I mean this is is just the same as Sentient’s fragments

Like they do this too

[fickle estuary]

yeah but the flowers seem to liberate the fragment ones in specific

given hunhow is fine

[fathom nexus]

Can't wait to pollute Tau and extinct more beasts like Amar.

Also Entrati took a finger.
I'll take the entire hand.

[floral badge]

Fully expecting there to be a giant city or just a very f***ed up planet surface

[plush swan]

I had a thought:
The New War: Drifter: "Look at this cool bow I got!"
The Old Peace: Operator: "Nice! Let me show you mine."

[eager dagger]

Try again and know the lore this time

[earnest granite]

this guy knows too much

and knew too much

[boreal pewter]

You know, now that I think about it, I don’t know if sparing the cephalon actually spares the cephalon. For all I know he gets destroyed offscreen by a brachiolyst.

[cerulean kiln]

Operator vs Archon bow edition when?

[boreal pewter]

It was really chaotic at that military academy

[cerulean kiln]

Tbh this update we didn't see much academy stuff

[undone lodge]

Aside from him not being a soldier so they wouldn’t exactly be gunning for him, DE probably wouldn’t do that just because there’s no point

Like, if he does die anyway, then what? We find his corpse when we go to Tau and if you let him live there’s some sad voiceline?

[boreal pewter]

Guess we’ll find out

[undone lodge]

Our choices barely have any impact anyway, so it’s unlikely they’d just completely invalidate it

[dim herald]

So I’m not super knowledgeable about the lore bc it’s all over the place but. In the old peace. How is it that we are interacting with the man in the wall? Wasn’t this before the zaramin trip to the our solar system. I thought that trip was how we got our powers and met him for the first time

[hushed dove]

The Zarimam incident took place before The Old Peace. That was what created the Tenno in the first place. It's implied, by my guess, that the Tenno may not fully remember all the events after the incident.

[cerulean kiln]

After the trip that's why we have Void powers in the quest and content surrounding it

[hushed dove]

Wally has just been messing with us. Problem is, we either don't remember or chose to forget exactly what the deal was and what we owe him.

[dim herald]

Hmm ok, I guess I assumed we were stuck on our side of the void when we had the incident

[cerulean kiln]

He didn't seem to say the other half of the deal

[cerulean kiln]

He saved all of us from the Zariman in Operators timeline

[dim herald]

So to over simplify things with the zaramin. When we met Wally we split the operator went back in tau, drifter was stuck in the ship and then after the old peace the lotus brought us to our system?

[dim herald]

Ah ok

[steady frost]

So how did margulus lose her eyes. Like I mean it makes sense why the lotus head piece was implemented.

[cerulean kiln]

Operator was saved from the Zariman it was sent back to the Origin System then we got to Tau another way during the Old War peace period

Old Peace quest is us digging through memories of that event

[dim herald]

Also maybe I’m miss remembering when during the quest the lotus said she’d bring us back to lua, I thought the ship was meant for exploration but that makes it seem like we have been to our system and they was already a point to lua for us.

[dim herald]

Great thanks

[obtuse gyro]

one of the tenno blasted her eyes out during the therapy stage

[steady frost]

Right omg I forgot about that lore piece

[hushed dove]

One of the children injured her by accident iirc

[cerulean kiln]

After she got blinded she cast Rell out

[hushed dove]

Yah. It was Rell wasn't it

[steady frost]

Margulus and lotus just got that forgiveness, let me raise this kid energy

[cerulean kiln]

We aren't told if it was actually Rell

It could've been

[merry comet]

is there a lullaby of the manifold somachord yet?

[cerulean kiln]

She legit could've just seen he's a problem child kick him out as he's the hardest to work worth in general and I've now seen how dangerous this can be

[obtuse gyro]

yeap

[hushed dove]

Poor Rell spent likely centuries keeping Wally at bay. It is implied that he was one of the most powerful of the Tenno imo

[obtuse gyro]

gotta find it in the memory

[hushed dove]

I just wonder if we'll ever hear from the Stalker again. I imagine we will eventually. But he's off, maybe still on Lua, taking care of Jade's child.

[plush swan]

Three of them.

[robust swallow]

why you so small?

[night grail]

Its in the one tile you did the code objective on in the quest. There's the biofluid falling and its just at the top

[thick cedar]

oh my god I don't have to go through all of descendia to get a blueprint

this might be the greatest update ever

[hushed dove]

Ever since the update though, syndicate members in missions are all either t posing or stuck in a jump animation

[thick cedar]

oh my god AND it counts for KIM

or like overall runs

[floral badge]

Took me like 7 fights to get Uriel took me like 20 relic runs to NOT get the final Yareli prime part...

[flint totem]

Anyone know the battle ost for the new missions? They kinda peaking

[night grail]

Which one

[flint totem]

Recall missions

[night grail]

So perita

I think its deepest dark thats the combat track

https://youtu.be/WhIviuthgu0

[pine bluff]

got the Exorcist honoria

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-kick-jjba-gif-13894493

basically how it felt

[flint totem]

Ah thanks a lot

[storm plinth]

What is Natah up to in old peace times 🤔

[obtuse gyro]

not alive for one

[storm plinth]

As in she wasn't born yet?

[obtuse gyro]

yeap

[sturdy turret]

gemini emotes on drifter are even more cursed than ever

[storm plinth]

So we're older than lotus🤯

[obtuse gyro]

pretty much

[lilac herald]

what the heck?! how?!

[sturdy turret]

kaya gemini emote in duviri

[storm plinth]

I gotta try that, flare emote works fine though (I like randomly using it)

[solid otter]

Lord save me. Yet another kimchat that alludes to Albrecht ||having multiple children.||

[zenith jacinth]

Oh gods

[sturdy turret]

he was busy alr

[solid otter]

Hm? Nah, ||it seemed to be of one woman, who he later abandoned after Euleria's birth, so it would be an older child||

[obtuse gyro]

oh uh

[obtuse gyro]

I suggest ||letting roathe talk about her||

[sturdy turret]

aoi one looks the most "normal"

[solid otter]

Hm? ||Same chat?||

[zenith jacinth]

Why are there two sets of upper teeth

Wait

[sturdy turret]

good question

the emotes get so busted with drifter face model

[zenith jacinth]

That's the bottom teeth ABOVE to upper teeth

[solid otter]

||A name that may have been lost to the annals of time... Albrecht Entrati's wife, Usurper. The mother of his children.||

||The ones who sit so blissfully unawares of our existence down in this moldering Sanctum. Which I still find so utterly priceless.||

.... this now feels like the ||other child is still up in the necralisk???||

[obtuse gyro]

yes

||Albrecht didnt abandon his wife, she kinda uh, died||

[solid otter]

....HA

Sorry that's not funny.

But it is to me, so lets pretend it is

[sturdy turret]

died in name.

|| imagine letting go of a perfectly good name like Dagath||

[solid otter]

God now i can tell people who say Albrecht has a wife

[obtuse gyro]

wrong woman

[solid otter]

That ||SHES DEAD||

[zenith jacinth]

Not his wife

[solid otter]

No, thats dagath, Vilcor's mother

[sturdy turret]

||right wrong side of family||

[solid otter]

We're talking about Euleria's mother

[sturdy turret]

im just dumb like that

[solid otter]

Oh this is great

[night grail]

Albrecht (evil) bisexual icon

I mean we already kinda knew unless Euleria's mother was just a beard the entire time

[midnight finch]

bruh i was going through kim messages and i was not expecting the lizzie jump scare 😭

[echo basalt]

albrecht "the 4th dimensional disaster bisexual" entrati

[storm plinth]

Do I need to have rep 5 with the entratis for one of the paths with the xx99 guys? Or is rep 4 enough?

[echo basalt]

just get rep 5 just incase

[storm plinth]

Fair enough

[zenith jacinth]

no reason not to eh

[storm plinth]

Just got tired of Deimos bounties after naberus

[zenith jacinth]

yeah, relatable

I can't even do naberus anymore

[wise solstice]

Why does The Cardinal Calls (without the piano) remind me of Lay All Your Love On Me by ABBA

[fierce pasture]

Anyone enjoying the extra lore coming out of Roathe?

[solid otter]

Albrecht "Standard manipulative bisexual with the mandatory doc martins" entrati

[solid otter]

Nah the next message goes on to explain why i like it. I can now say he doesn't have a wife rn cuz ||SHE'S MUCKIN DEAD||

https://tenor.com/view/yay-kitty-cat-happy-excited-gif-14649340657186539906

[undone lodge]

We were and then we got put asleep asleep for a thousand years

But chronologically yeah

[undone lodge]

I wonder how bad the relationship with the other must be that they don’t even get acknowledged in the Notes

Like OOU it was probably just them not existing yet

But not even a single regret or guilty thought from Albrecht?

[solid otter]

||The wife is dead, so ima guess so is the other kid||

[solid otter]

Chances are that Albrecht had nothing to do with ||their deaths, high chance for them to have died in the night of the naga drums||

[undone lodge]

Right but that’d be post-note writing

[pseudo willow]

Guys, did the sentients go to war twice but for opposite reasons?

[undone lodge]

Since he left before the Night

[solid otter]

Mhm, he mentions the wife once in the requiem logs

[pseudo willow]

Once from gaining sentience and leaving the hivemind

And another time from rejoining it

[solid otter]

||She left long before the night of the naga drums. She left after Euleria's birth.||

||And she was "given" to him, highly doubt he actually cared or loved her||

[supple coyote]

Here's a long theory I have about Rell, Albrecht, and Margulis (trust me, it makes sense) after Old Peace. Reposting this from Tumblr:

||So, it's commonly known and stated in the lore that Rell was exiled from the Tenno and Margulis for reasons unknown and then, somehow, came into contact with Red Veil and became the "last line of defense" against the Indifference before Chains of Harrow.

Here's my theory: What if Albrecht Entrati approached Rell after the latter's exile and had him permanently fuse into Harrow, chained him using Voidtongue, thus making him the last failsafe against the Indifference?

One of the things about this game is that the older lore (before they brought on the new team that have gone above and beyond doing a yeoman's job of tightening things up and trying to make sense of Steve's "let's throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks" approach to writing) has just enough room for plausible retcons. Not always, but in places where it needs it.

Albrecht obviously discovered -and unleashed- the Indifference onto the Origin System, so I could see him using one of the Zariman children as a pawn in his 4D chess game. Whether or not Rell had a "crack" in his mind -similar to Rusalka and Mathila- to allow the Indifference into the Origin System is up in the air. But Rell was somehow able to stave it off for as long as he did and I suspect a huge part of that was due to Albrecht.

This would explain why Father Lyon apparently knows who Rell is, presumably through his (Lyon's) connection to Albrecht and becoming the Harrow Protoframe.

Now, going back a couple steps...

I don't think Rell was exiled (aka kicked out) of the Tenno by Margulis. Not by her own free will or choice. And not in the way that's often explained by Palladino and Lyon.

After Old Peace, it became clear to me that Margulis would have never kicked any of the children out unless she had a VERY good reason... and even then, she did everything in her power to protect them from harm. The thought of her casting out Rell seems very out of character for her now.

My friend, DatLoon, suggested this: Rell was the one who blinded Margulis. Ballas wanted to kill Rell for this, but Margulis was able to get him (Ballas) to back down just enough that the "compromise" was to exile Rell from the Tenno/Warframe program, which deeply hurt Margulis.

After this, Albrecht swoops in, takes Rell under his wing with the intent to have Rell "aid" him in his 4D chess game against the Indifference.

It actually makes perfect sense, to me anyways, and it would be something you could see Albrecht doing.

But that's just my 2 cents, anyways.||

Also, I'm glad Roathe's convo about Albrecht's ||wife|| finally puts that all to bed: he didn't care for her, she isn't Grandmother (ffs, that needs to die like yesterday), and said ||wife|| was just a beard for him lmao

[hearty pendant]

skimming through this (will properly read when i'm not in descendia lol), i feel like the biggest point against it is the operator report "learning" about rell, and not already knowing

[obtuse gyro]

While definitely thought out uh... its extremely knee capped by Lyon's actual story

and also what GreyScale said

[supple coyote]

Perhaps, but this game is capable of retcons and something something eternalism

[real niche]

It's not a retcon if the stuff was just never elaborated on in the first place.

[undone lodge]

Theres also the fact that it had to confirm that “Wally” and “The Indifference” were the same

[solid otter]

||She probably was just an arrangement and he probably held resentment for her (fairly so, arranged marriages never go well)||

[real niche]

What's Lyon's story?

[regal crest]

How is Tauron Strike charged? I've used it more than once but I do not have clear how to use it lol

[hearty pendant]

kills + focus gained from lenses and orbs
the amount you get from kills alone is miniscule tho

[regal crest]

And it does not matter from what school the focus comes from?

[undone lodge]

Lenses of any affinity help boost the rate

[regal crest]

That answers my question, thanks!

[storm plinth]

Yeah but drifter is both no 🤔

They were consciously spending time in duviri while operator was sleeping

[wise solstice]

So you’re telling me we’re the pillar men from JJBA

[storm plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pillar-men-awaken-my-masters-awaken-jojos-bizarre-adventure-jjba-gif-19344086

[wise solstice]

Same amount of time

[storm plinth]

Awaken my tenno

[wise solstice]

Just one was aging slow and the other wasn’t aging at all

[wise solstice]

Real

[thick cedar]

we still are then

[wise solstice]

And considering Drifter was an adult in Duviri, he was probably there for extremely long considering Thrax lets the loop end whenever he wants, and based off the beginning scene in Duviri? He can watch The Drifter die the same way for very long periods of time.

[thick cedar]

I mean he's been there since the deal so

[wise solstice]

Yep

[wise solstice]

He still aged in Duviri, just not as fast because time loop

[storm plinth]

It's funny that roathe references duviri when farming him

Meaning Thrax was farming drifter 😭

[wise solstice]

It’s like turning 15 twenty times every year

Then you die a few different times

Then you turn 16 after a few deaths

You catch my drift

[thick cedar]

what I think happened is like 20 or so years past and then they started killing him

and then again and again

[storm plinth]

Could be this as well

[wise solstice]

Eh… I think it was more like how I said it considering how he talks about Duviri

(Like it’s where Roathe comes from)

[storm plinth]

I'm confused that roathe said there's no electricity in the time he was sent (I'm assuming 1899, but electricity was starting to become commonplace), also why I assume it's 1899 is because Marie knows what locomotives are

[wise solstice]

Fair

Or maybe they all came from similar times
But not the same

[storm plinth]

Btw him creating a helminth in that time by himself is crazy, gotta respect it

[wise solstice]

Real

Have any of you played Assassin’s Creed Odyssey

[cerulean kiln]

Not crazy for an Orokin tbh

[obtuse gyro]

thats the key isnt it, its starting to become more common place

[undone lodge]

No because she wasn’t asleep, just us

[obtuse gyro]

but its not all over the place like it is today

[wise solstice]

Sounds about right

[undone lodge]

So mentally, she was aging and developing, but we didn’t

[thick cedar]

We’re still way older, we may not age physically but time still passed

[storm plinth]

Yeah but I feel like HE could have got access to it

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, maybe, but its not coming from the cathedral

[undone lodge]

Yes, I acknowledged that already

[fringe plinth]

guys who choose Lotus?...

[thick cedar]

ah okay I wasn't paying too close attention to the story

[storm plinth]

Oh I forgot Marie and Leon probably weren't letting him run around wreaking havoc in 1899 😆

Gotta keep that devil on a leash

[thick cedar]

I like leashes

[storm plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-on-a-leash-dog-walk-leash-alice-gif-25803982

[thick cedar]

hold on Roathe disapproves sending children to war, my bad Roathe I didn't know you were chill like that

[fringe plinth]

i found out after the end of old peace the dialouge is different... mine was We can finally begin to heal.. im not sure if natah/lotus said this "You were used. Just as she was."

[thick cedar]

unleash the freak

[hearty pendant]

i think that's based on your "alignment"/morality disc rather than which lotus you chose
because i got the used line despite choosing lotus

[storm plinth]

I chose margulis and she said "we can finally begin to heal" for me too

[fringe plinth]

so lotus is this "You were used. Just as she was." but i thought it was natah..

who choose natah?

[storm plinth]

Btw when talking to Loid after the quest he mentioned lotus (I forgot what exactly he said)

[hearty pendant]

afaik Loid's dialogue hasn't changed since lotus moved into the sanctum

[storm plinth]

Oh

[fringe plinth]

anyone choose natah?

[storm plinth]

Kinda wish I did

[fringe plinth]

o i found it

i guess revenge suit her cus she's sentient

[storm plinth]

Makes me wish I picked Natah even more

[fringe plinth]

yea

[storm plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-gif-18213363

I wish getting the skins with plat changed our choice for further story 💔

[fickle estuary]

it's gonna be so damn funny if we get Pazuul content in the Tau update before the Narmer Orb Mother does anything 😭

[fringe plinth]

dark = false allias that was dead
mid = stay as same
light = truth from the start

[hearty pendant]

the choice does warn you that its permanent

[fringe plinth]

yea i chose false image of a dead person

[fickle estuary]

I like how the drifter/operator choice in new war basically didnt matter since the storyline got split for each of them

[hearty pendant]

whispers and angels was either/or iirc
but it splits at lotus eaters yes

[fringe plinth]

so im guessing drifter timeline margulis survive while our operator timeline is dead

[thick cedar]

Drifter also claims to have killed Ballas, I killed Ballas as my operator

[hearty pendant]

unknown in drifter's. they never escaped the zariman to know her

[obtuse gyro]

at that point oppy and drifter share the same position in space-time, so the one who killed ballas is both of you

[plush swan]

I think this one is an eternalism thing

[thick cedar]

Drifter's timeline is the exact same as ours (I assume) since when he left he void he was in our world and replaced the Operator

[undone lodge]

All 3 are valid and already existing personas in Natargulotus, she’s just choosing which one to lead

[hearty pendant]

natargulotus,,,

[storm plinth]

Beautiful name

[fringe plinth]

is we*

[storm plinth]

Just as hunhow intended

[plush swan]

Most Sentients default to one mind in several bodies.

Ours has several minds in one body. 😄

[thick cedar]

ehhh I don't know, I don't think the universe or whatever can handle both of them being outside of the void at the same time, which I think was explained by the Drifter (where they got this info idfk)

[obtuse gyro]

thats what I mean by them sharing the same position

what one does the other does

one is in a bubble, still conscious of what happens

and the other is doing

[thick cedar]

ah I see

that would make sense

[hearty pendant]

was explained in a reddit comment because it isn't super clear in game

[fickle estuary]

New War was a perfectly understandable and written quest with no flaws whatsoever /s

[thick cedar]

can I just say the concept of Drifter and the Operator is extremely fascinating

[fringe plinth]

i wonder will he be on tau the wall of bone

[storm plinth]

But now that drifter is in 1999 they can both do their thing?

[obtuse gyro]

The wall of bone and Tau are very separate things

[obtuse gyro]

essentially

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter can also go back to Origin

[fringe plinth]

but no one notice what lotus said during old peace after loid cut her cue

[storm plinth]

I wonder when the story goes further to tau next year, will it continue to be operator story

[storm plinth]

Yeah but I meant at the same time as operator

[hearty pendant]

both drifter and operator have a reason to go to tau, now

[fickle estuary]

Both quests end with "Tau is in sight" so I assume the questlines will merge

Drifter trying to find Albrecht
Operator going to get traumatised more 👍

[thick cedar]

I should replay some of the old missions with the new face

[fringe plinth]

"This is the only way we find-" she almost said albercht entrati

[undone lodge]

IIRC DE said something about Operator being the like, “primary” one or somethign

[cerulean kiln]

Has Warframe always removed accessories at specific areas?

[undone lodge]

We’ve known that Tau is how we find him for a while

[fringe plinth]

will see tau after tennocon lol

[next hatch]

Anyone else think that the music for this expansion was yet another hard hitter? In a good way

https://tenor.com/view/crying-gif-2367503443411304232

My reaction to the ending of the Old Peace quest.

[regal crest]

When does the KIM system allow me to talk again with people from the devil's triad? I wanna rush their dialogues but idk if that's possible

[hearty pendant]

daily reset

[storm plinth]

Although roathe likes to send voice messages before that

Bro is a yapper

[hearty pendant]

roathe's voice messages are a separate thing
though they do impact his KIM convos

[undone lodge]

Daily reset + 2 Roathe voice messages from doing Descendia

There’s a guide for his convos and tbh I’d reccomend looking it up because there’s a whole like, meter thing he has going on

[regal crest]

So I have to talk every day to rush it, alright, thank you again!

[undone lodge]

Marie/Lyon also have one but it’s simpler so

[regal crest]

Wait, there is people already who got to the end of his dialogues? Lol

[undone lodge]

No but people datamine