spoiler-chat

[wide elk]

making "engaging content" is veeery different. at that point you're better off playing whatever crack the little ones are on

[wild wind]

Back before eidolon arcanes were in events regularly, people ran eidolons because they were profitable

VERY few people felt that eidolons were inherently engaging, but that was the endgame because you could turn it into plat for everything else in WF

[zenith jacinth]

Another point towards "raids aren't played for fun"

[serene laurel]

All I'm saying is that when you get your standing up (if there wasn't time restrictions, people could max a standing in a day easily) and have the majority of the weapons, all the Warframes, etc etc-- unless your goal is just to be a collector, there's really not much to do other than just run the same missions over and over and that gets boring quickly

[wild wind]

Right, exactly

Raids aren't going to fix that

[zenith jacinth]

And how would raids be different?

[wild wind]

Because you'll hit the same point after a week or two

[wide elk]

at that point, its just cause of the way the game is being played.

[wild wind]

Like I said, the issue is that you're caught up.

No single bit of content is going to undo that.

[serene laurel]

So then the issue is that this game is just underdeveloped

[wild wind]

The solution is to step away for a year or two

[wide elk]

"underdeveloped" and it has basically two years worth of content.

thats like saying any loop game is underdeveloped despite having FAR less

[serene laurel]

I finished the game in 2 months

[zenith jacinth]

Bruh. B R U H.

[wild wind]

Every live service game runs into this problem

[zenith jacinth]

That's a you problem

[hearty pendant]

that's an issue with your own pacing, then

[wide elk]

jobless behavior...holy moly. TWO months. on god...

[wild wind]

Which is why power creep happens

[serene laurel]

I don't know about you guys, but I heard the older players had to wait 2 years for the New War to come out

[wild wind]

Four

[hearty pendant]

tnw is also a special case w/ all of the delays n their causes

[zenith jacinth]

Yes? And?

[hearty pendant]

like that's gotta be the worst example you could use

[wild wind]

Railjack nearly killed the game and I like railjack

[wide elk]

I like railjack, I just wish it was more convenient to switch into space and on-ground planet missions

it would've been neat to see that

[supple dagger]

Did you hit MR30 in 2 months?

[wild wind]

That's why that system was never implemented

[serene laurel]

MR 26 and then I felt there was no more fun so I stopped

[wild wind]

:/

Would have been cool though

[celest hollow]

L

[wide elk]

I believe it was also because Empyrean is endless so if you fail before docking, you lose so much

[zenith jacinth]

Wow.

[celest hollow]

im mr26 and i still have so much to do

[zenith jacinth]

That is just. Wow.

[supple dagger]

Then... you haven't completed the game... it took me two years to MR30... granted I'm a NEET... but still

[celest hollow]

so much to want to do at least

[zenith jacinth]

I'm MR24 after playing for 4 years

[serene laurel]

It took me 2 months, it wasn't hard

[wild wind]

yeah they never could make it so that the game properly saves when all the objectives complete

[celest hollow]

im mr26 after 8 years but like im a kid so

[zenith jacinth]

Get a life

[serene laurel]

You just flip for plat, buy all the stuff you need, and then build it all, use it, and that's the game

[wide elk]

you need to take time management classes. I promise you life isn't that bad once you INCLUDE other games to pad out time and actually enjoy the game over a period of time that isn't rush hour

[wild wind]

ehhhhh fwiw they made the grind a lot easier

[zenith jacinth]

Ahhhh, you're EXTRA lazy

[wild wind]

Resurgence especially

Loki Prime is, what, 120 plat these days?

[zenith jacinth]

All complaints invalidated

[wild wind]

He used to go for 1200+

[serene laurel]

Extra Lazy? So instead of flipping for plat I should just instead buy it and then build it?

[wide elk]

tbf, trade chat is insane and triies to hike prices

[wild wind]

console prices were really bad

[zenith jacinth]

Farm it yourself

[wild wind]

Vauban 2k

[serene laurel]

Farming platinum yourself?

[zenith jacinth]

...

[hearty pendant]

the equipment.

[wild wind]

the relics I think they mean

[serene laurel]

Yeah as in running relics

[wild wind]

which ehhhhhh

[supple dagger]

I think he means the frames, along with missions

[wild wind]

not going to fault someone for playing the market instead

[serene laurel]

How do you think you flip for plat? What do you think I was selling??

[wild wind]

No no, Scrap means "do radshares instead of trading plat"

which is tons of fun if you have a group

[serene laurel]

Right but when you own all the Warframes, Arcanes, etc etc, what would I be radsharing for unless to sell for platinum?

[zenith jacinth]

Just using plat skips pretty much the entire grind of the game

[zenith jacinth]

Well, you don't own everything clearly or you'd be LR5

[supple dagger]

How are you not MR30 then?

[serene laurel]

Right but going out of my way to get a Bubonico isn't going to change the game's fun factor

[wide elk]

dont have to be LR5 to see the game kinda burns out before MR30.

[supple dagger]

It might?!?!

[wild wind]

I think you're misunderstanding the thrust, it's not radsharing to get stuff to sell, they mean "crack relics to get an entire prime frame and their weapons"

no market whatsoever

Like I said, fun with a group

[wide elk]

DE trying to get people to do multiplayer, vs the people that exist for the solo play.

it doesnt help their quests have been loccked to solo too for the main stuff

[serene laurel]

I think you're misunderstanding that explaining this to me doesn't change the fact that it would be pointless for me to do so--I completely respect those who steer 100% away from any platinum whatsoever but the fact of the matter is that Trade Chat isn't really "trading" it's just selling/buying things for platinum

[celest hollow]

im a solo player bc my wifi sucks

[wild wind]

dear god, there's one chap in a different Discord who complains endlessly about high level content

[wide elk]

lmao

[wild wind]

Because he refuses to do ANY form of WF multiplayer

Can't survive arbitrations

[hearty pendant]

get better builds then lmao??

[wild wind]

Can't hack it in SP

[wide elk]

thats all I'm seeing, and I dont blame them for it. "can't survive arbitration" they probably have.

[wild wind]

Archemedia? LOL

It's genuinely some form of mental malfunction

[wide elk]

probably the whole finding mods system.

[wild wind]

Most recently it was triggering a Coda by accident and screaming about how he can't do high level 1999 bounties

[wide elk]

I love the codex, but can we get some form of mods relevant to planets once we scan the enemies there or finish the nodes on that planet

[wild wind]

he loathes liches

[wide elk]

I also despise liches mind you.

just cause why the hell cant it tell me I have at least the RIGHT requiems mods without it being in the right order

[wild wind]

My sole hangup with liches is that there needs to be a quest that gates them

[supple dagger]

Guess I'm another odd person... I love doing adversaries

[wild wind]

After that, bring back the fun ones that conquer the entire system

[wide elk]

its fun until you get to the third murmur filling, and it takes a while unless you hit your lich

[wild wind]

And have them raid normal missions

[wild wind]

That's what Oull is for

[hearty pendant]

other than war within? yes
they could use a Teacher-esque tutorial quest

[wide elk]

slapping lich to fill murmur meter just so I dont have to guess several combinations

[wild wind]

yeah exactly

[wide elk]

I cant spam oull bro...

[supple dagger]

I've done like... 30-40 kuva liches... :P

[wild wind]

Once you do enough liches you can!

actually start with sisters

they go much faster

[supple dagger]

Agreed...

[hearty pendant]

yeah sisters are way easier to farm like that

[wide elk]

• the first two requiems mods usually become reused hashes bc of the element im finding. that or I've just been getting unlucky with the mods

[wild wind]

They just messed up the lich progression tbh

When a lich spawns they're supposed to create extra thralls

[wide elk]

I promise you I've ran out of requiem mods just because I didnt expect to NEED a certain mod that many times

weeping cause wtf was that. lmao

[hearty pendant]

they're either dead or too focused on shooting at you to do so
if you back off for long enough they will
weird priority order for them

[wild wind]

the idea being that the extra thralls give extra murmur progress to "catch up" with a Sister

[wild wind]

It's even dumber, they convert the local enemies into thralls

....the local FODDER enemies that you've already obliterated

[wide elk]

"catch up" and it sorta sucks if you dont have someone else to play with. They're not that bad all in all, but its also you should be modded for it

[wide elk]

is this why I wasn't seeing those envoys...

[wild wind]

yup

[wide elk]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[wild wind]

DE fails to account for time to kill example #768

[wide elk]

I would've preferred the thrall being a sabotage objective per mission at that point instead of "kill this enemy" to obtain "that"

as an extra side objective per mission instead of thralls spawning

[wild wind]

Or have an entire squad of thralls attack before extraction

Codas mostly do this right

[wide elk]

kill a thrall and then you have to kill a team to deal with it.

Codas dont even care man. they just have "do this mission to get antivirus, and kill enemies to get potent mods"

[wild wind]

right

actually that could be a good fix for "liches that take over the whole system"

[hearty pendant]

oh just a chance to show up anywhere
yea that could work

[wide elk]

honestly, I fear I would've liked the Lich taking over the system to change the enemy type and have you help the other faction regain control against a tyrannic lich

seems like too much for a system thats just...Extra.

as extra as the eidolons are

[wild wind]

They still take over the whole system, but you have to go and deliberately summon a thrall

[wide elk]

yea

[wild wind]

that way you don't have MR2s facing off against level 100 liches

[wide elk]

I like the idea of killing the Lich's kill squad similar to how the factions have their signature Gustrag Three and Zanuka

[hearty pendant]

what would a good equivalent to the granum crowns be? some kuva cost?

[supple dagger]

Maybe do something with the kuva siphon missions?

[wild wind]

oh that's a good idea

[wide elk]

tbf they use the kuva again, understandably. If your system is taken over by a lich, we should get more kuva for clearing the nodes

[supple dagger]

I haven't touched a kuva siphon since... like my 2nd lich...

[wide elk]

it would make them EXTREMELY enticing since farming Kuva is already a pain in the arse for those of us not wanting to grind SP or hit a kuva purchase cap

[wild wind]

actually that might fix the whole thing

the lich takes over the whole system and taxes you, but their thralls spawn in the siphon missions

[wide elk]

can we also fix the grineer lich taxing

[wild wind]

it should be a lot more yeah

[wide elk]

they feel so poor for no reason lmao

[solid otter]

No. Please no im poor

[wild wind]

and they should aim for the really tasty stuff

[supple dagger]

Im taking your archon shards next

[wild wind]

rivens, arcanes, shards

[wide elk]

You may be poor, but you shouldn't have hit the esteemed honorous guest that was a lich

[wild wind]

void relic rewards would be safe though

[wide elk]

no no no, they should aim for WORSE stuff, as in rewards that you COULD'VE gained if you were to stay in an endless mission longer

[solid otter]

Im gonna stab him.

[wild wind]

also codas should tax you somehow

[solid otter]

I have one rn and im gonna stab him.

[wide elk]

I dont mind Codas not taxing

mainly because they're techrot.

[wild wind]

no wait

Codas ruin your fashion completely

[wide elk]

they have all the materials and internet they could need to troll normal civilians. lol

[wild wind]

just random growths

[wide elk]

worse, they start infesting your planets and you see techrot in your solar missions

[wild wind]

instead of just a cyst

[jaunty creek]

wait wtf seriously

[wild wind]

no but they could

[wide elk]

every time you go to a sol node, you get a chance to have techrot just take over a node bc of YOU.

[wild wind]

might be cool

[wide elk]

it would've been nice to see

[wild wind]

changing the subject, I want Narmer invasions

[jaunty creek]

oh yh it would

[wide elk]

Narmer invasions...More sorty changes similar to Descendia and the Perita Rebellion would be nice honestly

I like the Sorty, but its not...Archimedea mission transition.

archimedea did it so much better unfortunately

[wild wind]

Sorties have wider mission variance

[wide elk]

they usually stick to a faction or planet in specific, but yeah

[wild wind]

Like, it's genuinely not okay to send three tanks and a caster into a spy

[wide elk]

that or three speedy bois

who wil always cut it close to failing lol

[wild wind]

honestly tho

Liminus modifier needs to not exist though

Or ramp up slower

[solid otter]

Eh

They're fine

[wild wind]

Or not teleport next to you with no warning

[wide elk]

ykw, can i talk about how much I despise SP hollvania assassination. The tank should NOT be that hard to destroy its weakspots or therein deal reasonable damage despite having the right elements for it.

[wild wind]

They're fine with a Dante or Styanax spamming overguard

[wild wind]

the weakpoints don't count as weakpoints iirc so you can't scale damage like that

because you're supposed to use the rockets to clear it

[wide elk]

"use rockets" and deal with acid rain.

[wild wind]

pick a god and pray, yes

[wide elk]

uncannily evil.

I'm just glad the apex version is a choice.

an active choice had to be made for those demon versions.

[wild wind]

it's good design tbh

[wide elk]

being fine with overguard spam, and then making Nidus suffer a ridiculous nerf.

I get changing with times, but damn Nidus getting hit with HOA limitations once a nullifier or anything using a nullifier system touches him.

[wild wind]

The Rhino experience

they need to be consistent with it

either nullifiers pop ALL overguard, or none

[wide elk]

yuh

I would be fine if Nullifiers actually reduced your ability to kill than disable your abilities tbh

like, they put a cap on your stats if you're in their bubbles unironically would be better than outright obliterating your operational ability unless it was a mission condition.

nullifiers basically being the in-mission mission condition is so funny to me, cause why the hell can they NOW stack up as eximus units

[wild wind]

iirc it's a holdover from when Warframe was much slower

You can one tap a bubble by destroying the drone creating it

[lusty portal]

would the Indifference never have existed if Albrecht just never went through his experimental void gate in that seriglass thing

[wide elk]

I promise you Kahl would be so much more annoying if we ever SEEN a nullifier in his mission since you wouldn't be able to put down your bloater defense or use stun and nades.

[wide elk]

pretty much.

[wild wind]

Albrecht thinks so

[wide elk]

the only reason we exist is because now we have to clean up after him

[wild wind]

He's probably wrong

[wide elk]

I think the real question is HOW LONG kuva existed before he breached the membrane

cause they transferred bodies for so long, AND could manipulate time it seems

[obtuse gyro]

time stuff wasnt till after the experiment methinks

[wide elk]

what if them drinking the kuva let Wally infest their minds even more. Dividing them when they transferred bodies.
As he says, "they're already broken before I'm there"

well something along those lines

[obtuse gyro]

could you find the exact line?

sometimes whole meanings can change even if just a word changes

like some guy genuinely thought eternalism was involved when the shawzin had more than smiles from juran

[wide elk]

yeah, but the context is in Oraxia's weaver part of Duviri. The lore on the bodies

[obtuse gyro]

because he misread "one of the few known" as "the only"

[obtuse gyro]

that should... be somewhere online...

not sure if gray's updated the Orokin Archives for that

[wide elk]

"I don't corrupt their love. I don't have to. It was broken when I found it."
This one in specific

[obtuse gyro]

isnt that on the viral couple's corpses?

isnt wally referring to them?

[hearty pendant]

that one is on velimir yea

[wide elk]

Yeah, but it is useful information

[obtuse gyro]

ah you focus on the corrupt their love

[wide elk]

considering how else would Loid also be having the same issue?

Loid was broken too when he awoke, but healed a bit once we finished the quest, no?

[obtuse gyro]

but I think the key thing here is that I dont think wally does anything in this regard

he dont break them, but he do use the brokenness

The only time we've seen wally try to break someone directly is eleanor

and indirectly it'll be on the zariman

[wide elk]

yeah, and the orokin seven were as vile and broken too, no?
They even broke Ballas, but we can see his doppleganger talking to us as well

[obtuse gyro]

and by directly indirectly I mean more of degree of separation from the source of information

[wide elk]

well "talking" as best we can view it

[hearty pendant]

-# "The adults turned on us. Did you do that?"
-# "The parents turned on you," the Queen corrected them graciously, prompted by the Glory that enveloped her. "The rest of the adults were spared. At first."
-# The Orphan snarled up at her. "You can't bear it, can you? Anything good, anything wholesome, even the bond between a parent and child! You corrupt it all!"
-# "Oh, you think so?"
-# The Queen led the Orphan to the lonely remains of a human male. The Orphan felt an instinctive pang of sorrow. This cold meat had been a father once. No doubt about it.
-# The Glory filled the Queen and she spoke. "No parent ever really believes they did a good enough job. Especially this lump. Every bad choice their kids make is a judgement on them. Their love holds them to a standard they can't meet."
-# "Stop."
-# "I don't corrupt their love. I don't have to. It was broken when I found it."
-# "STOP!"
-# The Queen took a deep, nostalgic drag on her Efervon inhaler. Lungs that were no longer lungs spasmed in austere delight.
-# "The same crack runs through everything, kiddo," she explained. "You want to deny it, that's on you."
full entry for full context, in case it changes anything

[wide elk]

I say "doppelganger" but I feel like he "merged" with his other half? Iunno how to feel about his eyes void glowing

[obtuse gyro]

que?

[wide elk]

Ballas

during the whole New War arc

[obtuse gyro]

His eyes been glowing the whole time we've known him

[shadow forum]

[wide elk]

since he seems to be ... trippy.

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think Wally's to blame for ballas being ballas

theres no other half here

[wide elk]

he makes use of him yes

by planting ideas as he did in Rusalka

and other adults who went insane on the zariman

[obtuse gyro]

wally is uh

not planting ideas in rusalka

all the time weve seen her on screen

[wide elk]

I'm not saying Wally is the reason for their behavior, but he IS putting ideas in them to make use of them

[obtuse gyro]

thats wally possessing her

not a devil on her shoulder, Im talking full on The Exorcist

[hearty pendant]

"But she turned away... and realized she had nothing else to fill her life with.
The spider smiled... and he ate her all up."

[wide elk]

yeah, and Rusalka was already dying. She shook on it as far as we can say

"shook on it" not literal ofc

[hearty pendant]

there was an agreement, yea
because she was dying and had nothing left

[obtuse gyro]

Yea so Im not sure how that tracks with the whole "planting ideas" here

[wide elk]

He had to break her will to refuse the truth

[obtuse gyro]

anything shes done for wally was because she was wally

[obtuse gyro]

not really much of planting ideas is it

[wide elk]

she wanted to see the world in positive light, and as a devil on her shoulder, he had to instigate ideas

bog down her mind, she had to fight against that

the idea of the world being "distasteful" in many ways. Broken

who's to say the Operator is still yet to see and hear the truth, since the Lotus is protecting us from it, since Margulis made us forget

I'm also very curious to why Loid said what he said in the trailer

[solid otter]

Polluted memories is interesting, considering we know he lived it.

[obtuse gyro]

then again, he wussant there was he

[wide elk]

Rusalka is in many ways, similar to Rell

[obtuse gyro]

like what if its an all quiet on the western front sitch

[solid otter]

... i mean of Albrecht was there... loid surely would've followed?

[wide elk]

not at Tau, but he was there during the war against the sentients. Helping the family in anyway he could, even if the plans were wrong.

[obtuse gyro]

not necessarily

[obtuse gyro]

thats exactly my point

a system away means that they live vicariously through secondary reports

[wide elk]

"on time" he says, they'd be late without him

[solid otter]

Hhh

[wide elk]

on the side note, when will we get OTAK pov of the history. what's left of him anyway

[solid otter]

We probably won't? Otak is asleep rn.

[wide elk]

not asleep just upstairs. chilling with the family with sentinel loid

[solid otter]

No like

Necraloid put him to sleep to stop him from yappin about the sanctum

[wide elk]

right, its also because of the incomplete transfer

so otak is NOT even capable of being secretive due to the yapper in him

[wide elk]

I'm kinda curious if they'll have empyrean already part of the tau missions...

iunno, just hungry for something that isn't "complete mission, check star chart again"

[solid otter]

I just want loid content

I miss him.

I want him throwing shade at Roathe.

"Servant."
"Blue bastard."

Is how i imagine the conversation goes everytime Roathe uses the pom-2

[hearty pendant]

notice how roathe starts it

[solid otter]

Loid holds his tongue for the sake of the cavia (mainly bird 3)

Also

While replaying whispers today, i learned you can bully Loid's pathfinding

[pastel pasture]

attempt 2 at KIM chat

Did Flare, Did Kaya. FAILED MIN/VEL AGAIN. why am i so bad at fixing marriages?!

now i gotta reset everyone and try again again

[hearty pendant]

dang

[solid otter]

Bro shouldn't be here

Look at those legs tho

Stunning

[zenith jacinth]

He puts him to sleep when going to the requiem room and the sanctum, aside from that otak is still awake

[steep totem]

Remember
You can't take a side

[pastel pasture]

i thought i was being pretty neutral but maybe I was being neutral in a bad way

[steep totem]

Always possible

I mean, I'd need to actually see your conversations to make an accurate assessment, but 🤷‍♂️

[pastel pasture]

Flare was easy. Convince Flare Lizzie isn't evil. Tell Lizzie she's being scaryy. ez

these two tho? HARD

[steep totem]

Fair

I do find it funny that all you really need to do is tell Kaya the truth about

But with Minerva and Velimir, you really have to hold your tongue at times
Don't take a side, but make sure you remind them why they got married in the first place

[hearty pendant]

literally one check and the cryotic option doesn't make sense

[tight pagoda]

You get 3 whole tries too

And the "Argon crystal" option is the only one that's consistent across all times

Like the only way you'd fail is if you were actively trying to or you were randomly clicking options (which is still probably only a 33% chance you'd lose)

Actually someone do the math on that, I'm bad

[wild wind]

I think it's a straight 50%

No wait I think you're right

[hearty pendant]

oh god none of these make sense
purple things that decay
cryotic/argon crystal
cryotic is more blue, but i could kinda see it
orokin cell/argon crystal
what
rubedo/argon crystal
that is red
nano spores/argon crystal
what
ignoring that argon is the only resource that decays for a moment

[wild wind]

Because you have 3 50% chances

[hollow cradle]

3 50% would give you 87.5% to get it right

[obtuse gyro]

its basically if youre taking the peepee then you'll drop the ball

[tight pagoda]

Aren't there 3 options each time? So three 33% chances?

[hearty pendant]

just the two, i thought
yeah just two options each time

[tight pagoda]

Ah

EVEN DUMBER THEN WTF

So to get the good endings:

Lizzie/Flare = Trust the infestation and help Flare realize that it's a part of them now, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Veliminerva = Literal marriage counseling as you help them focus on saving their daughter

Kaya = don't be stupid (you have 3 chances)

[rain otter]

No?

He's awake again also.

[tame canopy]

Awww brotherhood and comradery

Ngl I don't know what was amir's old job lol

I can tell he's IT, but where specifically, idk

HMMMMMMM
I can either make warframe canon, make vampire hunters, or make nonsense

🤫 I'm gonna make wf canon

LMAO

Fortuna FTW

What is "her" exactly? lizzie, their guitaR?

[hearty pendant]

possibly
you'll have to wait for tomorrow to find out, i suppose

[tight pagoda]

:3

[obtuse gyro]

hint: you visit his work place in a critical moment during the quest

prompt critical I should say

[tame canopy]

👁️ he works in a nuclear facility

I guess that explains why he vouched for us with our story

[obtuse gyro]

a?

what you think Amir just was tech wizzie enough to know how to operate the reactor systems?

[solid otter]

Wait when did we learn about this

Idk dawg he might 😭

[flat tree]

All will be answered in KIM

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fast-pet-kitten-cat-pet-pet-cat-gif-25030970

[tame canopy]

Idk bruh I forgor if I got to the convo where he mentioned it

[solid otter]

Damn i be missing some interesting kims

[obtuse gyro]

H16h V0l7463: so i came over here from the grand ol' U. S. of L. to work for the O.R.O. at the reactor

[tame canopy]

U.S of L....

[flat tree]

que laugh track

[solid otter]

United states of... liberty..? There's... There's a place i swear

Libertaria...? My head hurts

[hearty pendant]

libertatia iirc

[solid otter]

Oh god i was a letter off

[flat tree]

Best feature

[solid otter]

I am aware of this one now lmao

I don't want to think of that old man doing it, so im gonna lobotomise myself

[uncut solar]

He spreads via mitosis

[obtuse gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-getting-out-of-hand-star-wars-viceroy-jedi-sith-gif-11488732

[solid otter]

I always suddenly feel horrifically grossed out at the idea that in order for a character to have a child, they usually need to do the do

Like it makes me violently grossed out for no reason 😭

[tight pagoda]

Don't tell Thomas about his parents

[main panther]

How did Kaya get into our world?

I thought they're all chained to their world

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-time-travel-avengers-endgame-gif-16972653

[flat tree]

Have you done her KIM storyline?

[uncut solar]

It's something you will have to figure out

[main panther]

I didn't read

[flat tree]

💀

[main panther]

I spammed her chat

[tight pagoda]

Proof of the 50%

Crazy

[uncut solar]

Mfs will ask questions while actively skipping over the direct answers

[flat tree]

-# why, why would you spam KIM chats....

-# they're so interesting...

[main panther]

I don't like to read

[tight pagoda]

Valid ngl

[main panther]

Ty

[uncut solar]

Okay the reason is that she hates you and escaped from the past to plan out your murder

She's playing dumb, you should do something about it

[flat tree]

Consider the following

[main panther]

WHAT

[uncut solar]

One wrong move and you are facing molecular prime

[main panther]

Ig I'll read her KIM

[tight pagoda]

That's Eleanor's

Just an FYI

[uncut solar]

You should begin again

You should forget everyone NOW

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-24337002

[flat tree]

And READ the conversations and stories

it's actually peak and makes me care for them more then a lot of other characteers

[tame canopy]

😭 please read the KIMs they're ivery good and you will love the characters

You don't have to be a lore expert, but paying attention would enrichen your gameplay

[hearty pendant]

every time i open a blocked message i am violently reminded why i blocked that person

[flat tree]

My ass is NOT ready

[hearty pendant]

i need to decide if i'm going to replay the story quests w/ the visual rework or do old peace first

[flat tree]

I want to see how the new war looks with our new operators and drifters

especially 1999 and The War Within

[hearty pendant]

yeah

[tight pagoda]

I'll do Old Peace first to avoid spoilers

Grind the new content

Then replay older quests

Just realized Wally is going to get a glow-up too

By proxy of ours

[hearty pendant]

yup

[flat tree]

Going to have to Leave Spoiler chat for a week or two cause of the amount of lore in the KIM chats.

[solid otter]

Oh, don't worry.

I do not have any. Im a product of pure hatred and agony. No loving god would've allowed two humans to produce me.

[uncut solar]

Ohh so it's like

Hatred and agony did it instead

[solid otter]

Im conceptually embodied from the feelings of hatred and agony the dying god of the old world felt for modern humans

[uncut solar]

If only my backstory was so cool

Maybe people would've liked me more

[solid otter]

I aint likeable, i just tolerate people enough

[zenith jacinth]

You are

[flat loom]

My fire

[zenith jacinth]

No

[flat loom]

Yes

[fringe pond]

shiii i'll have to do that too
time to mute this for a while

[tame hill]

Anyone figure out when Albrecht entered the Duviri Kingdom?

[real niche]

"Before Teshin"

[tame hill]

Yeah, okay, I want Albrecht to speak on Duviri next Wednesday

Or Roathe to be a stinker about it

[solid otter]

Have you heard his notes?

He is open about his experience there.

[tame hill]

Yes, but doesn't state when he arrived there exactly

And the wiki doesn't have the Rusalka quotes from Isleweaver that comment on Albrecht and Drifter having a shared past in Duviri

[undone lodge]

Can find them at Orokin Archive

[tame hill]

I accept the recognition of Albrecht, Duviri being a reflection of the bedtime stories he told his daughter

Oh, lemme check that

Found it, nothing more specific, but it is now established Drifter also has forgotten his past in Duviri, which means, more flashback/time travel possibilities for the story of Duviri

[flat tree]

Albrecht went there back when the Drifter was young and wasn't on bad terms with Thrax

[solid otter]

We wouldn't have an exact timeframe, but it was presumably before the loops started. Its post zariman, pre-hex.

[past apex]

To not forget
⚠️ Graphic content ⚠️

[fervent anchor]

"Love looks not with the eyes but with the mind. They won't hurt anyone again. I just need more time."

And ya know what? We proved her right. And began living for something better.

"It was a shadow under what we did. A sense of being helpless, a victim. I picked up the sword to protect those in need"

[tame hill]

Yeah, the time paradox is with Albrecht arriving in Duviri before his knowledge of making the Duviri as a book to protect children

Which is what I am the most curious about

[rain otter]

He didn't make it?

His daughter makes it. Also why wouldn't he have knowledge of it?

[fervent anchor]

Wait a god damn minute... wasn't Duviri a manifestation born of the stranded drifters fears?

[rain otter]

Bor is slightly incorrect.

[tame hill]

So, he realizes it's the bedtime stories he told his daughter, but that's before the zariman project, is how I'm seeing Albrecht's perspective

[rain otter]

He literally says in those fragments how it is his daughters book.

[tame hill]

Let me check for the word book

[rain otter]

HIS DAUGHTERS Name

Is on the book. I'll find it right now.

[rain otter]

also idk if that first part is true at all.

[tame hill]

In Albrecht's own notes from WitW he had made up the voices as bedtime stories for Euleria

[rain otter]

also this book was written way before

the Zariman. FOR NORMAL VOID TRAVEL.

Like Solar rails are void travel. using the RJ is void travel.

like the zariman is only different cuz it's void travel outside the Origin system which they hadn't done before.

[solid otter]

It is.

Albrecht realises those are the stories he told Euleria when she was little, in her bedchambers

Or whatever the quote is

But he is aware of the book as well, he has it in his netracells

[rain otter]

but yeah the book is "An instructive storybook by Euleria Entrati." for People mainly kids that are traveling the void so they are safe.

[tame hill]

Yeah, but from what I can tell, it is unclear if it was Dad making up a story to daughter behavior, that becoming the base of Duviri, that becoming the book after Albrecht's travels

[solid otter]

Mah

Its a father telling his daughter bedtime stories

[rain otter]

i don't think that's after.

[tame hill]

But if Euleria is the author, she didn't publish that as a kid

[rain otter]

Cuz Daughter is OF age.

when Albretch goes to the void the first time.

[solid otter]

Yup

[rain otter]

cuz she's ON HIS BOOK ABOUT THE VOID.

[solid otter]

Euleria is grown by then

[rain otter]

it's by Him and HER.

also she would have to be of age to be helping him with experiments as well.

[solid otter]

The pampilest of spacetime or whatever

[rain otter]

yeah.

[tame hill]

True, but because of void time loop paradox shenanigans, we in the now cannot say what the cause is

[rain otter]

what?

[solid otter]

Albrecht also seems to have wrote a autobiography

[rain otter]

no?

That's now how that works.

[solid otter]

"Beyond the wall of Lohk" by A. Entrati

[rain otter]

also there where 9 zarimans before Zariman 10(!) zero. they where all just unmaned.

Albretch can't ahve TRAVELED in THE VOID BEFORE HE WENT TO THE VOID for the first time.

ALSO

GROWN mothers void is in duviri.

[solid otter]

Duviri as a book was written by Euleria/Mother after Albrecht's void incident

The zariman incident happens

Albrecht goes into the void and finds Duviri as a real place

[rain otter]

Cuz she narrates the stories in schools and such.

[tight pagoda]

BTW not sure if it's been mentioned but this thing is called a World-Seeder. Likely a terraforming ship. Source is the Tennobaum glyph

[solid otter]

Yeah ive said it before, maybe in lorechat

[tame hill]

Hmm, okay, so if I'm cross-referencing the void tongue Albrecht retellings as the first time Albrecht went into the void, then at some point after that Albrecht visited Duviri, so in regular linear time logic, Zariman accident happens between that

In paradox void logic it doesn't have to

[tight pagoda]

Aight my bad, just saw a Reddit post and wanted to share

[rain otter]

what

[tame hill]

Yeah the world seeder thing is neat

[rain otter]

you aren't

making sense.

[tame hill]

Yes, it's a paradox

It's called Duviri's Paradox, not Duviri's sensible timeline in the stable void

[tight pagoda]

Albrecht was the first person to go into the Void. Before that incident, Wally didn't exist (as we know him)

Wally exists out of time but it seems like he only time travels when he's chasing after someone

[tame hill]

Well, there were void experiments before, but they never had any results

Which I believe is echoed in the other people never seeing Wally after Albrecht in those voice logs

[rain otter]

that's not what the parardox is.

[tight pagoda]

Duviri's in a time loop but also follows linear time, and is affected by things happening in the real world as they are happening

[tame hill]

The causality of Duviri existing being a paradoxical time loop is my own theory, and the time between the zariman project and Albrecht's experiments is 1 lifetime, cuz he stopped with Kuva, but Albrecht doesn't mention anything about the Zariman accident in the WitW fragments, but he does recognize that his daughter's book will help the void travel. But doesn't mention the Drifter in those notes, but Wally as Rusalka does state the Drifter knew Albrecht during his stay in Duviri.

Okay, having read it again and again, it seems that Albrecht recognises that Duviri through the writing of the book has helped the children that got stuck in the void. But no specific mention of the Drifter by Albrecht, so that might bey confusion, I mostly wish I knew how much time was between first meeting of wally, healing with Loid and then visiting early Duviri

It's Albrecht's hair being the orokin dreadlocks according to Acrithis in Duviri is mostly what has me wondering

What I'm more certain about is the WitW notes after he talks about 1999, I think those refer to the Devil's triad and maybe also the reason Roathe is in the past

[obtuse gyro]

I would like to know how youre so certain theres a Triad reference in the We end as we began section

[tame hill]

Okay, lemme do some typing and quoting

[obtuse gyro]

do it in #lore-discussion

since youre about to broach that topic there anyways

[tight fulcrum]

When does Wally start being silly and pretends to be us

After chains of harrow?

[tropic venture]

well we first encounter him at the end of The War Within

[tight pagoda]

Yes

[tropic venture]

but after Chains of Harrow is when he starts properly mimicking us

[tight pagoda]

Yeah after the Kuva decision he jumpscares us by hijacking our body, but he's "loose" after Chains of Harrow

So someone completing the quest for the first time will see Operator on the market table, go "oh neat my Operator is walking around" only for them to realize that "if my operator is here, how can they be controlling the Warframe"?

And then they get hit with the Hey Kiddo

[flat tree]

Anybody not like the Call of the Tempstari as a quest?

Not that it's not a bad quest but just, really meh?

Cutscenes are great and the story has great lore but the quests gameplay feels off to me.

[hearty pendant]

yea the gameplay could be better there
its not terrible, just a bit meh

[mint linden]

The part where you play as Veso and his booty ass kit, just robots and its driving me nuts

[untold gyro]

Veso

Aaaaah the corpus dude

[mint linden]

Yeah

[untold gyro]

Yeah it's a bit of a pain

[mint linden]

He stinks and I want to cry

[untold gyro]

There's a zone with an electrified floor

That took me quite a while to beat, I felt so dumb

[mint linden]

I'm stuck on probably the dumbest spot possible, I'm an insult to all that is competent

[untold gyro]

Nah the ai of those robots sucks

[mint linden]

This big ol' room, everywhere I go, I get mauled

[untold gyro]

I just did the classic warframe strategy

Of hiding like a little coward and shooting from afr

Afar

[hearty pendant]

oh that room
tbh i think you can run to the next checkpoint and die there to not deal w/ the enemies

[mint linden]

I've tried but they somehow come up behind me and shoot my ass

I can make it to the next exit with the two turrets or smth before I just immediatly die

[untold gyro]

Use the bots as bait and book it

At least until you get to the next checkpoint

[mint linden]

Where exactly is it? The next exit in the following room?

[untold gyro]

I think so

[hearty pendant]

but yeah otherwise its kinda just hiding behind something at the edge of the room the best you can
use your moas and only shoot when you have shield

[mint linden]

Making me wish I could do my usual coward thing of bullet jumping my way out of there

[hearty pendant]

venmo's not agile enough sadly

[mint linden]

But nope, squishy human body

Probably would face plant before the first flip

[untold gyro]

IMO that's sort of the worst part of the quest

Which sucks because what comes before and after is some of my favorite ever

[hearty pendant]

kahl is clunky, like you would expect a grineer to be
veko is weak, which makes sense, but isn't the greatest for fun

[mint linden]

I literally started this quest last week, I took a break so I wouldn't destroy something

[untold gyro]

And the mystery person you control later is just great imo

[hearty pendant]

i wish you luck
its a fun quest otherwise, its just this sucky bit

[mint linden]

I remember someone telling me we get to whoop Ballas at the end of this, something to take out my anger on eventually

I hate that enlongated blueberry

[hearty pendant]

yep

[untold gyro]

Yup

More than the weapon, more than the shards

Getting revenge on BallAss is the reward

[mint linden]

We hate Ball Ass

All of the stuff under his wiki page is hilarious

Love this community

Welp once Saturday rolls around time to get back on the warframe grind

And probably cry once or twice, who knows

[flat tree]

you finished tnw yet?

[mint linden]

I'm practically at the beginning..

[flat tree]

Ah well, have fun, it's one of the best quests in the game although very, VERY long [3-6 hours to go through it in its entirety but you can save]

Although you'll see some great stuff soon, so go defeat the invasion with the help of your Grineer and Corpus allies

[mint linden]

I just wanted to unlock Jade's Shadow It'll all be worth it

I hope

[hearty pendant]

it will

[mint linden]

Time to hit the cyropod for like 6 hours, it's nearly 1 in the morning

[rain otter]

oh i loved that part. lmao.

[tight fulcrum]

How do you get the duviri paradox? I started playing the game when it was one of the two opening options you get the quest now?

[hearty pendant]

its unlocked at like. saturn or something
its available before second dream for some reason

[tight fulcrum]

Really? I’d imagine you need to finish the war within at least

Probably the new war as well

[hearty pendant]

there's a lot of people that want it moved behind new war, yeah

[flat tree]

I wish it was but the circuit is like the only reason its not

but I really wish it was
I get people don't want to grind all the way to the new war just go get to it

but holy carbuncle
it feels so good playing after the new war

[hearty pendant]

yeah
ideally the circuit could be split from it, cut the teshin's cave sequence until after the new war
just make it a menu or something

[flat tree]

The problem is that the whole drifter and operator thing

since you start as the drifter in the cave

[hearty pendant]

yeah, that's what i mean
you could cut the cave
or even just. use the shadowy excalibur 'model not loaded' thing

[wild wind]

Putting Circuit behind NW is fine

We're starting to get players who complain about normal boss grinds because they don't ever do it

[flat tree]

Aren't they making it to where the memory bath missions can be accessed early game?

[wild wind]

New War isn't even that far into the game anymore with the new star chart changes

[wild wind]

Yesn't

[hearty pendant]

it'll unlock the perita rebellion and descendia nodes, but nothing else

[wild wind]

You can sign up for a carry from a friend

But you need to be MR10 to queue normally

Also you have to do one of the confirmation things

[hearty pendant]

oh does it need like
one squad member to be mr10+ to start it

[wild wind]

actually now that I think about it they weren't clear

You might be able to SOLO it

but the way Steve was saying it, the idea was that a friend who'd finished the story could taxi people who hadn't to Perita

where they could get merked by Dax like a scrub

[hearty pendant]

it is like. level 65 enemies iirc

so yes merked by dax is accurate

[wild wind]

meanwhile MR3 with unmodded Volt

so, if you've finished the Old Peace you have full access no matter what your MR is

If you have yet to finish the story, you can queue with a friend (I think)

If you're MR10 but have yet to finish the story, you can queue with randos

so, uh.... friends only as usual?

[hearty pendant]

that seems
odd

[wild wind]

It's the classic MMO problem

All the fun new content is late game

And new players don't want to play old content, they want to play new content with their friends

So devs are always going to cut down the onboarding and reduce early game friction to get people to the new content as fast as possible

[hearty pendant]

yeah, i understand that
its a big part of why the path to new content was streamlined so heavily in the past two years

[wild wind]

yup exactly

[tight fulcrum]

I feel like they should rework circuit where instead of it just being a couple early game frames on a rotation wheel it just picks three random frames and the cut off for being too recent is if it’s prime counterpart is not vaulted yet

[wild wind]

The paid story skip was another attempt at solving this

[tight fulcrum]

Wasn’t that a joke?

[wild wind]

Not when they proposed it before 1999

It turned into a joke because the community revolted

near-universally

[tight fulcrum]

Oh, I was on a hiatus during then

[flat tree]

What was it going to be?

[hearty pendant]

not sure if i wasn't involved with the devstreams/announcements then or if it was before i started playing
because i've not heard of this

[wild wind]

Unlock the whole starchart and most of the other quest nodes plus whatever you'd get from those quests

[hearty pendant]

that seems like.. a lot

[flat tree]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[wild wind]

It was in 2023

Devstream 174

[hearty pendant]

ah. before i started playing, then

[wild wind]

tbh I thought you'd been here longer than me lol

[hearty pendant]

interesting

i know a lot about the older events from the wiki n lore chat but most other things before 2024 i know nothing about

[tight fulcrum]

What was the best character ui, normal, drifter, kahl, veso, or teshin

[wild wind]

Teshin was slick but I really like Kahl's

[tight fulcrum]

Veso was neat

Sad his section sucked

[wild wind]

I enjoyed it, reminded me of Zelda in a way

[tight fulcrum]

One word

[wild wind]

The Dominion Rod in TP?

[tight fulcrum]

Jackal

[wild wind]

I used cover

[hearty pendant]

i messed up the jackal once but it was pretty much just shooting around a pillar and having the moa ready

[tight fulcrum]

Why give him a plinx though

You could’ve given him a slightly better gun

[hearty pendant]

he clearly wasn't a soldier, just a technician or something
idr what venmo's actual job was

[tight fulcrum]

He couldn’t of loaded a corpse?

Like they gave him a pea shooter with 10 bullets in it and wonky drones

[wild wind]

corpus tech!

Also the Plinx is stupid powerful if you can headshot

Note: you can't headshot on the Switch

ask how I know

[hearty pendant]

were there other corpus corpses? idr there being any, just moas

[hearty pendant]

what is going on over there,,

[tight fulcrum]

I can headshot just fine. Sounds like a skill issue in your part.

[wild wind]

Combination of controller and fps issues

I don't personally use gyro aiming, which does fix the first part if you use a Pro Controller

[tight fulcrum]

FPS doesn’t really matter as long as it smooth and not stuttering

[wild wind]

And I do play on Switch 2, which fixes the latter but the mismatch between the game/device/my TV's settings makes my eyes bleed

hoping the S2 specific version fixes that

[flat tree]

I so want Veso's gameplay to come back in a warframe

[tight pagoda]

My brother has a switch 2, and was playing that Sonic racing game on that. It was the switch 1 version and when it was brought on the Tv the quality was god awful, like a 480p YouTube video. The switch 2 upgrade made it look fine

[wild wind]

Right, Warframe's actually fine on the Switch 2 in handheld mode

But something about my TV disagrees with how the Switch 2 handles Warframe right now

[tight fulcrum]

I mean, sure if it’s not too long and they give him a better gun

[wild wind]

But like, I ran a Kuva lich last night just to do it so it's nbd

impact Shildeg because I'm hilarious

[flat tree]

How long did it take

[tight fulcrum]

After awakening what is the first frame you can get? (without paying plat)

[wild wind]

30 minutes?

[hearty pendant]

gara?
but it would take a ton of cetus grinding

not counting dojo frames

[wild wind]

Koumei

[tight fulcrum]

WRONG

it’s the current prime access

[hearty pendant]

koumei requires once awake, you hit mercury before then, so you'd get to rhino

[wild wind]

makes sense

prime access is a solid answer lol

I bought the special Mag Prime Access when the game launched on Switch

[tight fulcrum]

Once awake sounds like the name that would be given to a really important quest, but it’s just the one that says oh oh hey there’s some infestation over there

[wild wind]

it DOES introduce the third major faction

it just doesn't have any bombast to it

Like, the Corpus didn't get an introduction of their own until The Teacher

[hearty pendant]

it also introduces Dr Tengus, the grineer that never shows up in game

[wild wind]

still mad

[tight fulcrum]

It’s because tyl regor is cooler

[wild wind]

I mean honestly

I think the plan was to have Tengus be the Grineer Alad V

[hearty pendant]

tyl regor spends half of his screentime yelling about genes and the other half Making A Mistake by letting hunhow out of the tomb

[wild wind]

but they just kept doing stuff with Alad V and realized that Tengus didn't have anything to do

I think the last time he was mentioned was... Howl of the Kubrow?????

[hearty pendant]

he was involved with letting the infestation out in Once Awake, something with howl of the kubrow i'd have to look at the email, ghouls, and the g3 afaik

[wild wind]

huh I thought Vay Hek was the ghoul guy

[hearty pendant]

both

[flat tree]

Also has a comic

with a...
normal vay hek....

[wild wind]

bizarrely dapper Vay Hek

[hearty pendant]

ah no howl of the kubrow was frohd bek

[hearty pendant]

ye the comic is about the ghouls iirc?

[wild wind]

yeah he's complaining to Tengus about no dog

[flat tree]

It was the The Ascension

[hearty pendant]

the email is to "Dr. Intehb" from frohd bek
unless i'm missing something, tengus isn't mentioned

[flat tree]

Frohd Bek and Lech Kril are tied for irrelevance

[wild wind]

I feel like I bearenstein bear'd myself lol

hey now Kril has TWO boss fights where he's irrelevant!

Bek actually had a few events back in the day

[hearty pendant]

at least frohd bek shows up in a quest

[wild wind]

like, he's the reason the Corpus aren't overrun with juggernauts

Surely you've heard of the Black Seed? These so-called Corpus who are uninterested in profit and who solely apply themselves to undermining the will of the Board? These fanatics have raided Alad V's Mutalist labs, stealing never-before-released Juggernaut spores with the intention of unleashing them on my facilities.

Will you help me stop the spread of the new Infested? We will provide the location of the Black Seed operatives to you.```

[hearty pendant]

oh yea those guys who are never brought up again lol

[wild wind]

y'know, Corpus hyper terrorists could be a great plothook for literally anything

[flat tree]

Parvos Granum would be disgusted

[wild wind]

isn't it great??

[flat tree]

CS:GO on Corpusium is just crewmen against the black seed

[wild wind]

honestly

Also I think if DE was writing the Black Seed today they'd have a different name, just because the Corpus has changed a bunch as a faction

Like, Black Tenet or something to counter Parvos directly

[warm anvil]

oh my god we couldve had bison

[hearty pendant]

woah

[echo basalt]

never heard of this, im surprised de hasnt brought them back

[echo basalt]

not like we still can't

[steady abyss]

Was from a Tactical Alert from over TEN YEARS AGO

👴

[pliant saffron]

Would love to see some larger wildlife

[narrow jay]

Guys if an Operator wakes from the Second Dream, does it mean he is resisting a rest?

[undone lodge]

Yes

This is why Stalker was so shocked

[zinc bane]

imagine a pet bison thats massive and ramming enemies lmao

[gaunt star]

i have a question

i remember the drifter side of the update was XX99, did we ever get the confirmed date revealed or is it just staying like that

[uncut solar]

No confirmed date yet

[celest hollow]

Community thinks it’s like 15-1699 but nothing confirmed

[gaunt star]

would be cool if it was in the future like future for US(3000+) after Earth already fell, maybe during the repopulation of it under the rule of the Orokin or smthn

that's the only idea i have as to why they would censor the first two numbers

[wild wind]

Community is almost certain it's 1899

Because DE accidentally leaked an in-game screenshot saying so

[celest hollow]

My fault

[wild wind]

No problem lol

[gaunt star]

oh

[night grail]

Yeah theres a bunch of really cool duviri concept art

Also the ambient noise has frogs that we never see

[uncut solar]

The real date is 9999

[scarlet wren]

O wow

[uncut solar]

Do remember that they removed the screenshot

[echo basalt]

even worse its france after napoleon 1 and 3

[opaque dove]

What about napoleon 2?

[echo basalt]

not important, didnt run france

[opaque dove]

I Wonder if we’ll explore Gaulle later or it’ll just be mentioned

[flat tree]

DE leaking everything themselves

[echo basalt]

i personally find it interesting that de is going with a use an old name or the current name but change some letters method of naming some of the warframe version of irl countries

like how canada in warframe is kanata or france is using a french looking version of ghaul which was its name during the days of the roman empire

[opaque dove]

The US is Libertatia and Russia is Rus

[uncut solar]

Rus is really just one of the old names for that territory without any changes

[wild wind]

Kievan Rus, yeah

Modern "Russia" is actually the Duchy of Muscovy, after a few rebrands

Warframe Mexico is named after one of the Central American empires

I want to say it's Aztlan but I know that's Shadowrun

[undone lodge]

Can be used as a mount and fly like a Kaithe

https://tenor.com/view/sky-bison-appa-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5671149704697571646

[zinc bane]

That sounds interesting. Mounting then ramming into enemies

[plucky oyster]

So do we know if the school tree expansion will add any upgrades to them that can be shared with the other schools?

[chilly pine]

didnt look like there were any new waybounds

[uncut solar]

Seemingly no waybounds, all of them are tied to their respective weapons

So maybe we can equip any of them on any school

And benefit from the nodes

[tame hill]

There's also the mods and arcanes for the Tauron Strike, but no clue what works for all or some

[uncut solar]

Galvanized Driftitude

[echo basalt]

lets pray there isnt an ability per skill tree that requires some wackass item to collect

[uncut solar]

Wdym that's literally what tauron strikes are

I'm guessing it's all waybound by the weapon

So since the new nodes focus on the weapon, swapping it on any other school will grant you the benefits

[uncut solar]

Tauron strikes is the operator 3rd ability

[echo basalt]

i meant another one

other then those

[uncut solar]

Doubt

But I guess we'll see

[tight pagoda]

Operator is still missing the 4th ability

I wonder what the cooldown for Tauron Strikes will be

[pastel pasture]

KIM chat be like

"Hey how are you doing"

Fine
Not good
NEVER TALK TO ME EVER AGAIN, I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU [end chat]

[wild wind]

just like real life honestly

[tame canopy]

is flare possessed by lizzie? that's about the only thing I can think of when they said demon

[fading current]

Think of it like venom and Eddie I guess

If they said “demon” they were likely referring to us as Lizzie flat out calls us demon all the time lol

As does the helminth so honestly that’s nothing new

[solid otter]

Just lizzie things

[fading current]

Yep. Like you were talking to Lizzie there. Lizzie basically using flares body to speak with us through KIM chat. Lmao

[vale atlas]

i dont want it to be the past

it should def be the far far future\

[rain otter]

what?

this seems so outta context. @vale atlas

[hearty pendant]

prolly talking about the triad?

[fading current]

What?

[vale atlas]

They (someone in this chat) said the triad is gonna be in 1899

Which would be a let down

Cause that means they’ve cooped up in an old church while the world moves on

And makes descendia that much harder to explain and such

[hearty pendant]

not really? descendia is tied to the dark refractory, in the sanctum, which the triad have access to

[solid otter]

Time travel.

Albrecht did time travel. 1999 is also in the past.

[cobalt scroll]

I want to ask: if I dating Arthur for example, can I date anyone from the new protoframe team?

[solid otter]

Yea, there's gonna be a kimchat about consenting to it

[cobalt scroll]

oh nice

I like dating Arthur but dont want to break him up

[solid otter]

Which i have a weird suspicion that they only put that in because of the backlash

There better be one for the new protos too

Consent on all sides babyyyy

[fierce kiln]

ye u can do one hex and triad member separately

[tight pagoda]

You seem to be able to do multiple Triad members

Roathe had the same "let's spend some time together" dialogue as Marie

[fierce kiln]

i believe that was just a test build thing

[simple python]

They can just break the game like that I think

But if it wasn't a test build specific state idkkkkkk they mighta listened and made poly drifter real

They told us the surface of everyone's deal in the triad too but I feel like its gonna have to be more than that cause like. The Hex. The entire Hex was more than that.

[solid otter]

They very much could lol

Just enable the tag of romanced or whatever inside

Wait

Yeah mb i thought you said something else

Its late 😭

[broken storm]

I didn't really get how the gemini bundle works, is 425 plat the price or what you get by purchasing it with money?

[tropic venture]

Buying with real money gets you some plat as well

[broken storm]

just to make sure tgat means its both?

[flat tree]

<@&778745217037238293>
Jade Light

[simple python]

So.

What do you guys think the descendia drop table will look like?

I've had a harrowing thought that Vinquibus is going to be 5 whole parts, including the bp itself.

[wild wind]

pretty similar to ETA

[simple python]

I don't even remember if they mentioned where Uriel drops from.

[wild wind]

Descendia

[hearty pendant]

descendia

[wild wind]

I'm guessing overall it's going to work like Styanax

[simple python]

https://tenor.com/view/dirt-punch-yolo-crystal-fantasy-ycf-punching-dirt-punching-gif-6640135026993135627

[wild wind]

sooooo yeah about that, while it does seem likely to be 1899, it's mentioned that Marie and Roathe are conducting void expeditions

[hearty pendant]

oh? i figured one piece would be tied to each section of the tower
idk where the main would be though

[simple python]

I'm thinking its gonna be Vin blade, Vin barrel, Vin receiver, and Vin stock.
And then Uriel's half of the stuff which is its own five parts with the resource only from Descendia...

[wild wind]

see the reason I don't think that is that there wasn't a reward screen when they reached Marie

[simple python]

Like Kullervo's thing.

[hearty pendant]

tbf they also had entirely placeholder rewards at that time, its possible the reward screen wasn't fully enabled

[simple python]

Please for the love of god 10 separate drop table items. I hope to god Uriel is only dropping with the Vinquibus as his signature.

[wild wind]

sure but the Marie option was a dialogue, not a reward screen

They call it a break, not a stopping point

[simple python]

This is all just Speculative. I have no peek behind the curtain.

[wild wind]

Like I said, my thought is "Styanax"

You'll get currency and buy what you want

[simple python]

I have no idea who that is.

[wild wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCudkvLro8Q

[simple python]

That doesn't illuminate as to how he is obtained in-game ngl.

[hearty pendant]

you get styanax by picking up stock during the break narmer missions and buying him from chipper
no rng involved

[solid otter]

Like jade.

You get pity currency and spend it

[wild wind]

Jade actually has RNG, the currency is just really generous so who cares

[simple python]

Jade is a separate thing. The pity currency system has been arround since Citrine.

[solid otter]

Bps may drop as mission rewards too

[simple python]

Yeah that's kinda what I'm getting at tho. We don't know what the pity currency will be or how much each item will cost.

Footnote; I wish they'd cut down Citrine's costs my god.

[solid otter]

Eh, ima guess around the 500 mark for the main uriel bp ngl

[simple python]

Otak you don't need 1000+ crystals.

[hearty pendant]

decrease the cost or up the reward
i already have citrine but it isn't a great farm

[solid otter]

Its also a weekly thing like circuit so ima guess there's other stuff too

[simple python]

Kinda hoping it isn't just focus as the weekly reward but also.

[wild wind]

Focus stuff is Perita rebellion

Like you do Perita for the stuff to get the tauron strikes, while Descendia is a weekly game mode with Uriel

[simple python]

I do need a more consistent source for focus actually. I wouldn't mind focus gain from it as a reward but that doesn't feel enough for something like circuit or eta.

I'll digress. We'll find out when the update drops if Focus gain is in play for Perita, and not just for Tauron stuff.

[mint linden]

The rail Jack section of the new war made me really realize how bum my aim is. That whole part was so disorienting, I thought I was upside down half the time

[tight pagoda]

You might've been.

[mint linden]

My wifi made my game tweak out, so my progress didn't save so I have to fight the weird wolf archon again.. there goes the last hour of my time 💀

Welp now I know why..

[echo basalt]

Imma tell you now there's a railjack intrisic ability that's just auto lock-on

[mint linden]

The quest was the first time I ever used my railjack. I went into that unmodded so yeah, I'm captain stupid

[echo basalt]

People really should stop doing that, like damn smell the bloody roses

[mint linden]

I just want get back to frames in my normal orbiter that isn't crammed into the ground

I don't want to see Amar's stupid face right now after the servers going boom, I might start tweaking

Welp different archon time 👁️👁️

[rain otter]

That is your normal orbiter

Just at a camp.

[mint linden]

I meant in the sense that I can't use anything in it, I've been stuck in this quest for like a week now, it's driving me to insanity

I just want to use my stuff really badly

[rain otter]

OH. Are you doing the lime prefect strike with your bow?

[mint linden]

The what with my bow?

[tight pagoda]

Timed perfect strike

Hold it until the marker hits that little gap in the reticle

Also, Hunhow gave you tips on each Archon

[mint linden]

I have them up on the wiki to refer back to because I have horrible memory

I'm going to assume you have to beat all of the archons to progress from this section?

[real niche]

Two of them. ||The third is after you get your gear back and is a joke.||

[mint linden]

So do I gotta do the third one because I'm honestly dreading fighting Nira

[tight pagoda]

Yeah if you can still choose, I think Nira and Amar are preferred to Boreal

[real niche]

You misunderstand. You pick two of any of them to do as Drifter, then ||the one you didn't pick is part of a later confrontation in the story||

[tight pagoda]

Seal, maybe they're not clicking the spoiler tags, as to avoid being spoiled

[real niche]

The unspoilered part should be clear enough

[tight pagoda]

You have to fight all 3 but by the third one, you get stuff to make it a cakewalk

[mint linden]

Ah alright, I'm just dumb and need explicit clarification for stuff

[pastel pasture]

1999 we got the AK

1899 we got the M1

Can't wait to see what we get in 1099

[zenith jacinth]

M1...?

[pastel pasture]

one of the guns in the old peace trailer was compared to the M1 Garand

[zenith jacinth]

Never knew that was part of the garand's name

I've literally only seen it get called the garand until now

[thick jolt]

yeah apparently the vinqubus has the garand ping

[solid otter]

Uhh. Big axe.

[tame canopy]

:> Well drifter did get taught about time, just not travelling through it

[pastel pasture]

does drifter even know how to time travel?

or do they just...know how to do it

[echo basalt]

the method of time travel is seeming using transference on something with the same patterns brain as someone in the past if im remembering how the vessels are made

combined with the time ignoring memory of the collective infested hive mind

[balmy storm]

They also established a link with 1999 in lotus eaters

[solid otter]

There's a few ways it seems

[balmy storm]

With the connection established all that was left to do was hop in a vessel and go from there, communicating with the infestation in the past to make a frame that Drifter’s connected to so they can essentially teleport via transference to it, it being in the past

[balmy storm]

Albrecht’s method is unknown
Drifter uses transference and the infestation
Wally uses the void
What other ways are there?

[solid otter]

Kaya!

[balmy storm]

Ig Kaya’s but that’s to get out of the past specifically
Iirc she uses us going back and fourth

[solid otter]

Hitching on us is a unique way i think

[balmy storm]

Oh and the Lua Spy Vaults

That’s time travel too

[balmy storm]

Ye
Also technically whatever the gemini emotes are?

[solid otter]

Ik there's some kim convo about that

[obtuse gyro]

Kaya's is really just an extension of ours

[balmy storm]

yeah thats what I was thinking, since she is basically piggybacking off of us

signal wise iirc we act as a sort of lighthouse?

since she lacks a connection to the origin system beyond us anyway

[solid otter]

Oh and however the hell the triad gets into the sanctum

[balmy storm]

Ez void time portal
Ig

Tbh I do wonder if they are truly in 1899 cause
They have access to the void

[solid otter]

How does it work

It could be Albrecht's own modifications

[balmy storm]

They go on void pilgrimages apparently

[solid otter]

How do the bikes work when the heart wouldn't be there?

[balmy storm]

How do the protoframes work when the heart isn’t there?
For all of them

It’s brought up by Eleanor
DE knows
They just haven’t told us

[solid otter]

Tbh i feel like the triad feels poorly planned, especially if that last kim chat ends up as a group chat

Why have a group chat. Are they taking turns on the computer and logging in and out of their accounts? God i hope its not one.

[solid otter]

Hh, the infestation maybe? They exist without that sorta issue

[flat loom]

I wish rebb do more deep dives with the system

[balmy storm]

No, Eleanor feels the void
And
They’re still void powered as are the bikes

Albrecht is either installing hearts or the heart works differently than what we may have thought

[solid otter]

The bikes run on void tech but don't have any seen connection to the infestation or wally, so like. ???

Closest relation to wally there is void tech as a whole

[balmy storm]

The protoframes power does not lie with the infestation but the void

[solid otter]

No like, im saying because of the non-linear existence of the infestation they'll still have some form of connection to the heart through the infestation

[balmy storm]

And yet the bikes and everything in the backroom

So that ain’t it

[solid otter]

The backrooms is.... weird

It does have a helminth unit

[balmy storm]

It can just be the way the heart works isn’t as 1:1 as we thought

[solid otter]

No clue how Albrecht got one

[balmy storm]

Or he made more

[balmy storm]

He
He had helminth serums-

Same place he got those lmao

[solid otter]

Maybe... the heart might allow for Albrecht's time travel shit in the end of 1999? Idk that has no weight idk why im sayin it

[solid otter]

No i mean like. How did he feed the damn thing

What was he feeding it 😭

[balmy storm]

Same stuff we do?

[hearty pendant]

pizza prolly /s

[balmy storm]

Anything
Literally anything

[solid otter]

Just a shitton of obols

[hearty pendant]

if the heart pumps void power throughout the system, and the void isn't particularly bound by time, its possible, i guess??, that there would be void power extending into the past as well
but that feels. weird.

[solid otter]

Can we even feed obols to the helminth cuz ik we can't sell em

[balmy storm]

My best guess for the protos is that the heart can just
Extend backwards, if there’s something that can receive the signal it does no matter what direction it is

[balmy storm]

Yes

[balmy storm]

It could just be void tech being present and with a valid connection it just
Does it

The void always just is so

[solid otter]

Did the protos just randomly lose the ability to use their bikes when the heart went down

[balmy storm]

And their abilities
If the heart is how they’re powered

Cause again we don’t actually know how they and the void tech in the past is powered

Eleanor has a whole chat about how we don’t know but do know the protos do feel and have a connection to the void
So
It’s not helminth as that extends to other voidtech

[solid otter]

Arthur riding his bike, the heart goes down and he loses control of the bike and eats absolute shit and falls onto the ground

[balmy storm]

Then the nuke goes off, the loop resets and he keeps going as if nothing happened cause we fixed it

[solid otter]

He wouldn't remember it and thats so sad

[balmy storm]

It was a loop of one day so

And we fixed the heart in way less than one day

[hearty pendant]

everything in 1999 goes Very Wrong for about 2 hours (like it wasn't anyway) and then goes back to how it was

[solid otter]

Smeared across the pavement (he's okay)

Albrecht's void tech in 1999 just stops and he's like. So confused

[wild wind]

If the Triad are doing "void expeditions" then the question is moot because the Void is accessible in 1899

[cosmic prawn]

Albrecht probably set that up for them. We already know from Duviri that the Void's relation with Time is not straightforward.

[balmy storm]

We do know nobody stepped into the void before Albrecht so whatever the Triad is doing must be different to some extent

Drifter mentions it when Eleanor talks about how she entered it with her abilities instead and found the Nun version of herself

[obtuse gyro]

whatever the triad must be doing must be tied to albrecht, so technically, no one did it before albrecht in a causal sense yknow?

either that or they take turns in the magic pool idk

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, maybe Albrecht's "entering" of the Void rippled back so no matter what, he's the first to enter?

[tropic venture]

it wouldn't be out of place for Void "Time" to work on causal rules like that, yeah

[balmy storm]

Maybe due to Albrecht setting it up the way he did it’s not the void relative to 1899
Which
Idk the void is weird :p

Like if they did it on their own in 1899 then it’d be different