spoiler-chat

[reef compass]

dude kept doing all those sigils and shit so most likely got some strain somehow and developed those there idk

[balmy storm]

Do you have an actual source for your claim?

[tight pagoda]

Thomas I'm sorry that was mean

[hearty pendant]

Javi taught Lavos (already a warframe) alchemy, then Lavos used alchemy to turn Javi into a puddle then one of the snakes iirc

[balmy storm]

What?

[tropic venture]

His jailer was a brute of a Warframe named Lavos.

Lavos' Leverian entry

[hoary bone]

All right, someonr I fact check it for me I was wrong

My bad

[reef compass]

so what you mean is that the move was executed (ha!) by the warden learning more than the master? so maybe he was the one that got some strain somehow

[tropic venture]

[flat tree]

Okay but how did he reason for Khora?

[tropic venture]

Just go listen to his Leverian again, man

[reef compass]

with pleasure xD

[uncut solar]

Lavos actually attacked the Orokin with a vial rush, absolute madman

[tropic venture]

Lavos Transmuted Javi instead of executing him as he was supposed to

[reef compass]

then that explains it

[uncut solar]

Do you think he drifted around the room or used a jump cast

[hearty pendant]

i find it very funny that the janitor (i do not remember his proper title) was the only survivor in that prison

[tropic venture]

Well Drusus describes him as dashing around so

[uncut solar]

Oh right

So he pretty much did a spin around the room and froze everyone

[tropic venture]

Maybe not exactly Vial Rush but definitely an early version of it in-universe

like maybe he actually dashed around rather than glide

[uncut solar]

Freezing vials flying, he dashed around the room

[flat tree]

Speaking of the Levarian, how does Drusus get some of these stories? Like Styanax who I don't think there was any other living soul besides Aria who came out

[tropic venture]

Most are just like ooh word of mouth, I have my sources etc.

[uncut solar]

Futuristic archeology and retold stories

[reef compass]

yeah I am tempted to make a Watcher joke but we are actually answering stuff

[flat tree]

Jokes are fine

[uncut solar]

That's like 80% of what I say

It's ok to have a little joy and whimsy

[reef compass]

I just found it funny that when Drusus got revealed he was this Zordon looking head

is he a cephalon actually?

[tropic venture]

He's definitely the weirdest-looking Cephalon

[tropic venture]

Yes

[reef compass]

he sounds so stable

[tropic venture]

Although he seems to uniquely retain his memories and personality from before

We don't really know anything about who he was before becoming one or why he became one

[flat tree]

Probably some Archimedean who dug too deep

Or just
Archimedean

[tropic venture]

likely

[obtuse gyro]

its not so much a thing about it being a "unique" thing

some people get to have that

Like Suda, who volunteered

[tropic venture]

I mean as far as Cephalons in-game go even Suda doesn't seem to be aware of who she was before

I think it's quite likely he volunteered like Suda did

[obtuse gyro]

Suda is the same kinda gyall tho

And she doesnt really indicate if she remembers her past life or not

[tropic venture]

Never mentioning her past life means there's no indication she remembers. Unless implied otherwise it's safe to assume she's like all other Cephalons we've met save for Drusus

[obtuse gyro]

woah there I dont think the lack thereof is indication of her not being able to remember

mind you we know that the memories are still inside the cephalons, because otherwise ordis wouldnt have his uh moments

[solid otter]

I mean, there's Necraloid who is relatively intact but we aren't sure if he is a normal cephalon

[tropic venture]

He isn't

he's more like a Cephalon-esque recreation of Loid

both are aware of the other so

[solid otter]

We don't know that for sure. There's a cloned skull involved

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, it is directly stated that he is a Cephalon

[solid otter]

That too

[obtuse gyro]

not cephalon-like, just straight up cephalon

[tropic venture]

Yes, which to me implies the cloned skull was somehow used to make a Loid Cephalon from

since the cloned skull is important enough to be directly explained

[solid otter]

Ehh, tbf the skull was mentioned in a line about Dante, not much else with cephalons

[crystal rose]

anyone wanna join to be credit billionaire

[tropic venture]

#squad-recruitment

[jovial relic]

Okay, so since general chat is ignoring this question, does anyone know who voices Minerva in 1999?

There's no voice credits on IMDB or the wiki for her

[woeful patio]

Quick question, whem new update come, what will be the first thing you gonna buy?.

[tropic venture]

Maybe new hairstyles, we'll see how the reworked ones look

[zenith jacinth]

Gun

I don't usually buy weapons but I need that thing asap

[solid otter]

Gyre's prime access, if i have the funds for it.

[woeful patio]

Wrong image.

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-mr-boss-dap-up-dap-hand-shake-gif-17813953548000062507

The new gun comming is fricking cool

[zenith jacinth]

And it does the garand pling

[woeful patio]

Its a anime gundam weapon, and i loved it

It technically is the same gun that transform on other

[zenith jacinth]

It doesn't even transform, it's just a bayonet rifle

[woeful patio]

No no no i swear it is different models

One is a rifle more looking and other is like a spear...

[zenith jacinth]

It's

[woeful patio]

I ...i think so?

[zenith jacinth]

Just held differently

[woeful patio]

Idk the eldritch garand tickles my brain

[thick jolt]

Only thing that changes is the "buttstock" unfolding in meele form

[woeful patio]

Trenchs, garand, war, commander

Bayonetts

I hope we have more weapons on this thematic

[echo basalt]

No idea mate, same with velimir

[opaque dove]

I’ll figure that out when I get there

But, honestly, the Vinqibus is gonna go wild

[hollow cradle]

the m1 garand gun for the sound effects

[opaque dove]

It’s also a dang bayonet

[obtuse gyro]

usually that means theres no info about that making that real hard to answer

[thick jolt]

You could comb through devstreams and see if the devs mentioned them

[cerulean kiln]

Don’t think they do

Whoever it is isn’t even listed in the Techrot Encore cast

[thick jolt]

Could be they did it in house again

Like rebb being the lotus for example

[cerulean kiln]

They list Rebb though when she’s in a quest

[thick jolt]

Dunno then

[cerulean kiln]

Cast members without any social media still get listed just with their name

Like this

[zenith jacinth]

-# bayonet is just the name of the attachment not the gun

[opaque dove]

Im aware, but what does that make the melee mode?

[zenith jacinth]

Bayobet rifle

...

Always spellcheck yourself twice before hitting send

[thick jolt]

Lol

Just edit faster

That's what i do anyway

[zenith jacinth]

Phone

[celest hollow]

❤️ Max Howarth

[thick jolt]

Same, but i still do it

[celest hollow]

indeed

[zenith jacinth]

I prefer mocking myself

[celest hollow]

based

[zenith jacinth]

Waht

[celest hollow]

i love his voice smmmmm

[zenith jacinth]

There's better, there's much worse

He's comfortably significantly above average

[celest hollow]

i like father, loid, ballas, entrati, cy, hunhow's voice actors

[cerulean kiln]

Max actually kissed Rebb at a Tennocon I think it was

[celest hollow]

😮

NOT againnnnnn

[celest hollow]

i love that profile pic

[zenith jacinth]

Damn, no love for rudnicki?

Or do you mean albrecht with entrati

[celest hollow]

albrecht

[cerulean kiln]

Do you think VA’s are in the same room when saying all the crazy stuff they do or separate booths?

[zenith jacinth]

Then why not say albrecht...

[zenith jacinth]

Most likely the latter

[celest hollow]

i mean no one calls the necralisk family entrati

[zenith jacinth]

It's very rare for interactions to actually be recorded... like interactions

[zenith jacinth]

You're. That's a joke. You're joking.

[tropic venture]

Literally what most people and the game itself calls them

I've never seen someone refer to Albrecht as just "Entrati"

[celest hollow]

the hex refer to albrect as entrati don't they?

[cerulean kiln]

They’re almost always called the Entrati unless you’re talking about a specific member

[zenith jacinth]

Aside from the hex

[celest hollow]

then again they don't know he has a family

[tropic venture]

"someone" as in actual people

[celest hollow]

thats fair my bad famalams

[cerulean kiln]

Hex don’t even know about the family till we tell them

[celest hollow]

they're amazed someone loved Albrecht 🤣

[cerulean kiln]

They’re probably amazed he could’ve possibly loved anyone

[zenith jacinth]

[Insert eleanor reaction to him having a daughter here]

[tropic venture]

https://tenor.com/view/five-nights-at-freddy's-fnaf-bonnie-balls-gif-2797116383183558880

[zenith jacinth]

Can't quote it bc rules

It's still a bit comedic to me that the game has content that breaks rules here

[cerulean kiln]

The crazy thing is it seems other Grandmother Entrati dipped after giving birth considering what Albrecht says

[celest hollow]

oh yeah who voices drifter and operator

and wally?

[tropic venture]

It's also weird to me how the game continues to refuse to use the actual Muck word despite arguably worse swears being in the game already

[celest hollow]

Ballas: 🤬

[tropic venture]

Ballas has like half the game's total spoken swears it's great

and most of that is just in TNW

[cerulean kiln]

Huh

Hasn’t he only swore once

[celest hollow]

dw

Daklo will fill in the rest

[tropic venture]

spoken swears aren't really plenty in WF

KIM is written, that has a lot of them

[drifting sparrow]

||watch your mouth, void lugger||

[cerulean kiln]

Wasn’t it Kaya who has swore the most?

I still hate how DE are so afraid of swearing in an 18+ game

[celest hollow]

hey we still have children that play the game

[cerulean kiln]

That’s on them tbh

[tropic venture]

They do swear, they just avoid certain words (some of which don't really make sense as stated above)

[celest hollow]

your operator is still a void child

[cerulean kiln]

A 1000 year old child

[celest hollow]

eh potato potato

[tropic venture]

imo. what Ballas calls Natah in TNW is way worse than what Drifter almost says when they get the Hand

[tropic venture]

Operator has never sworn. Drifter has

[celest hollow]

Drifter is like several years old

[cerulean kiln]

I bet most long term players use Drifter now anyway

[celest hollow]

yeah i hate hearing "My Warframe is Strong"

[tropic venture]

Bringing up Operator as a reason to avoid swearing in general is irrelevant when Operator does not swear personally but others do

[zenith jacinth]

Tbf they did say they want to save it for a special moment
But also guys. The moment passed 4 years ago. It won't have shock value.

[solid otter]

Ehhh, rating varies on region

Not really on them

[tropic venture]

Let Adis say Muck

[cerulean kiln]

You pick the games you play
If you’re a child and can’t handle swearing that isn’t DE’s fault

[solid otter]

Of course

Tbf even here its just 15+, most people above 13 can swear, just don't swear at people. Swear in context

[zenith jacinth]

Wf is 16+ here

[cerulean kiln]

It’s 18+ here

[zenith jacinth]

Or at least it was last time I checked...

Which was 4 years ago

[solid otter]

Which is why i never understood why people are so comfortable with being weird. Like. Cmon.

[zenith jacinth]

Blame the devs

[solid otter]

"Oh but its 18+ here" yeah and America aint the whole world

[cerulean kiln]

I’m not American and that’s not what I’m saying

All 3 of us said what it is in our specific countries

[zenith jacinth]

Thomas isn't implying that you are

That was just a bad coincidence

[finite nebula]

I am from Poland

[cerulean kiln]

in Canada where DE is based it is also 18+

[zenith jacinth]

🇩🇪

[shadow forum]

So did anyone added timer for the old peace 10th December.

[zenith jacinth]

No

[shadow forum]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-grineer-skoom-gif-17500803

[covert tree]

Is it coming on the 10th?

Oh

I didn't finish the dev stream i just looked at stuff i was interested in

[cerulean kiln]

This is why you finish the devstream

[misty veldt]

Is it specifically coming in the afternoon of December 10th? Im curious on when exactly and thats what I've heard so far

[cerulean kiln]

Depends on time zones tbh

Like your afternoon could be their morning

[misty veldt]

Ah

Noted

[tropic venture]

Launch date was like the very first thing they showed

[covert tree]

HOW THE DID I MISS IT

[tropic venture]

it's at the end of the little short trailer thing

[undone lodge]

All your hearing, argon

[covert tree]

how the hell did i miss it

I watched it up until after I think they showed of uriels kit and then my freind dragged me onto games so I really have no clue I really suck at paying attention

[shadow forum]

Just a little more, until we see lotus new skin maybe after old peace.

After we saw in June that new skins.

[woeful patio]

Holy glitches.. I love it.

Its old but im happy that i still have it.

[shadow forum]

what happened to him.

[woeful patio]

She got stretched.

A lil

[shadow forum]

😂 what is the glitch about.

[woeful patio]

I have no idea

[shadow forum]

but her face makes me question many many things.

[woeful patio]

Pretty right...

[shadow forum]

I need to rethink about everything today.

[woeful patio]

Dont worry, you are the next

[scenic brook]

Chat

How do i Get out of my frame 🙏

[tropic venture]

Progress the story more to find out what exactly the Warframes and Tenno are

[scenic brook]

Where is it please

[tropic venture]

The Codex shows all main quests in order

[scenic brook]

K ill do it tomorrow

Ty

[flat tree]

Kill?

[tight pagoda]

For me, updates come out at 11PM that listed day. 11PM is an hour before the Sortie and Syndicate mission reset (which is 8 hours before the main Daily Reset)

[fringe pond]

How far are you in the main story?

[opal rapids]

oh my GOD some of the KIM chats I'm catching up with. Quincy adopted a mouse. Quincy bonded with Kaya over quantum mechanics & audiobooks. I am sc r E A Ming

[pastel pasture]

is the Min/Vel good end supposed to be hard or am i just a really bad marriage counselor

[hearty pendant]

i found it fairly easy
its mostly just not picking one side over the other, trying to find compromise
both have issues that they need to be confronted about, though

[empty violet]

chat I'm done with the hex quest but haven't encountered other proto frames yet. Am I missing something?

[hearty pendant]

they'll show up at rank 4 w/ the hex, but you'll only be able to talk to one then
the other 3 will talk to you at rank 5

[empty violet]

Do they have their own syndicate system or just quests?

[hearty pendant]

they're part of the hex in terms of faction standing n such
no quest tied to them

[empty violet]

got it. Thanks.

[tight pagoda]

@empty violet they, like the Hex, have their own chats with their own personal stories. But you can't romance them

[hexed terrace]

it really is that obvious

why can I not just say yes he's just right

[scenic brook]

No idea

[hexed terrace]

this is the end of the hex storyline right?

[solid otter]

Yup

[flat loom]

How bad we talking

[tight pagoda]

They got the ending where Minerva kills him

So bad at counseling they're getting stuff the devs didn't make

[flat loom]

Good gaia bless their soul

[solid otter]

THAT CAN HAPPEN???

[solid otter]

Oh

[flat loom]

Just did

Velimir just ragdolls in the bar

[hearty pendant]

his shop is still available he just has no dialogue

[flat loom]

"oh hey drifter, say hello to my ex-husband" his head on a stick just behind the bar

[flat tree]

he's greyed out like Teshin

[rain otter]

Eh

[tame canopy]

is is possible to do coop on this?

[solid otter]

Daughter can draw confirmed?!?!

Thats so cute though

[tame canopy]

no coop, rip

That's def daughter yes cuz no way kahl even thought of making a chibi kahl face lol

[solid otter]

Character building like that is so cool

[hearty pendant]

it is signed with "-B.G."

[solid otter]

"Blue-girl" wait until kahl learns of the 2 other blue girls/women in the same space where Daughter lives

[undone lodge]

Kahl and Kaelli calling Roathe B.B after meeting in the final part of the Void War arc (The B doesn’t stand for Boy)

[flat tree]

Do NOT let Ordis know of Roathe

[solid otter]

Another instance of nice character building and consistency is Loid's affinity for children. Son mentions being carried around on Loid's shoulders, which is then followed up in whispers by Fibonacci's line about Loid's ability to explain things in a way a child could (Euleria picking this up, presumably at a young age, so another instance), and then we have Loid in the trailer for the old peace.

Consistency !!!

[flat tree]

Okay, how the heck do the two Entrati-designed Warframes work?

For Qorvex, I get some of it, but it raises so many questions in my head. Did Ballas help with it, or do the Entrati know how to make Warframes themselves? Was he ever built? I'm betting no, but there has to be a prime version of him one day, so who knows if they just found the prime schematic one day in the labs.

As for Oraxia, it's a whole other issue about Entrati like how long did Entrati stay in Duviri? Was it one long trip, or multiple trips? The main issue for me is that she was built, which either means the Entrati worked with Ballas or had to do the Warframing themselves. And was Oraxia a Gen 1 Warframe? If she were in Duviri and working, she would've needed a Tenno, but I'm not sure if she had one, and probably not. She was driven mad by Wally, but, honestly, I don't know if that's just him messing with whatever mind is left in there or if she genuinely was driven by something.

[echo basalt]

i just kinda assumed albrecht just stole ballas's data on warframe creation, some of the helminth strain and just DIY'd some frames

[flat tree]

That'd mean he'd have to have, taken someone to make Oraxia.

[solid otter]

I believed they worked together.

[echo basalt]

do you really think he's above doing that

[solid otter]

As funny as Albrecht being a thief and yoinking shit is, it wouldn't be good to do that to ballas.

[solid otter]

... yes? Also, there's no real indication that oraxia was designed by Albrecht

[echo basalt]

did you forget he black bagged roathe

[solid otter]

... as a response to Roathe trying to overthrow the government and risking everything

Id say it was a reasonable thing to do

[flat tree]

“I'm gonna need you to design a Warframe that's concrete with a radioactive core. You're not ever going to build it, I'm saving that but just help me with it.”

[solid otter]

Id say ballas built it, Albrecht just designed and gave the specifications

[flat tree]

I'm not sure if Ballas would be fine if he just took that design and never built it

[echo basalt]

i seriously doubt he was paying attention to albrecht's schenanigans given he was prepping for orokin downfall

[hearty pendant]

we have no idea who made oraxia, she was just albrecht's guardian/"pet" in duviri

[flat tree]

We don't have answers but we do have questions

[solid otter]

Ehh? Ballas would've been very aware of Albrecht. Albrecht was even given archon shards to study.

And, the point of it not being good, is that ballas might kill him. The warframe project was very secretive.

Also, Albrecht figured out void travel and the void as a whole, which is something ballas kinda wanted to use in that plan

Wanted to get to tau or whatever

Also, i like that Qorvex's design is made for work over being fancy

[hearty pendant]

conk crete,,

[solid otter]

Concrete made to lessen the radiation leakage :) not that it matters, the space between the slabs ruins the purpose of using concrete, but they couldn't just do a block of solid concrete

[undone lodge]

“You’re disappointed? I had thought you’d prefer a more functional design over aesthetics”

“…Ballas I cover my inventions in goldleaf and coins”

[solid otter]

"Is that your warframesona, that's cringe"
– ballas at Albrecht

[hexed terrace]

do I romance a hex member before or after doing new years

[zenith jacinth]

Doesn't matter

The quest new years isn't how you trigger the kiss scene

[hexed terrace]

gotcha

[fringe pond]

Yeah uh
Maybe just wait until you’ve done more story quests
You’ll know after a while

[echo basalt]

what was the last planet you unlocked?

[flat loom]

You only get to trigger the kiss scene when the calendar in the kim resets, which iirc should be around august rn? I haven't been online since yesterday so I'm not sure, but yeah gotta wait for the calendar to reset

[zenith jacinth]

It's in a fortnight

[livid glen]

Everything is in fortnite /j

[cerulean kiln]

So much Fortnite
When will we get Fortday?

[zenith jacinth]

A fortnight is two weeks

Not fortnite

[livid glen]

I know, hence the /j(oke) sign.

It's a really stupid joke, I just couldn't resist.

[zenith jacinth]

When day gets a sick modern cool spelling

[tight pagoda]

Dai

[mint linden]

I definitely played myself for activating the new war quest, I can’t get past the section where you play as Veso, I just get pummelled into the ground 💀

[mint linden]

“7 hours? Eh can’t be that bad” You sleep deprived fool.

[woeful patio]

No worries you will be rewarded greatly.

...mostly likely.

[mint linden]

That’s if I ignore the suffering

[woeful patio]

Look at the good thing

You will beat the -clem- out of ballas

[mint linden]

Oh? Freak yeah, I hate that guy. Idk why, when I first saw him, I thought that was Son

[woeful patio]

Orokins

Barely can say who is who sometimes

[mint linden]

All I really remember about them is all the messed up stuff they did

Which ain’t much, I haven’t even been playing for half a year

[solid otter]

Thats pretty much all you need to know.

[undone lodge]

Snobby tyrants with god complexes who took over the bodies of youths to extend their already very long lives, had Dax physically unable to disobey them, used mass slave labour via clones, didn’t treat a lot of the non-slaves too great either, and had torture as a national pastime that produced literally treasured memories

Ruined and exploited the solar system to the point it contributed to the Sentients, who barely knew them at the time, rebelling

[scenic brook]

Phobos

[echo basalt]

Ok do you have deimos unlocked?

[hasty depot]

Do heart of deimos quest

[plush swan]

The Devstream mentioned reworks for the six frames in the Prime Vanguard. (Caliban Prime, Protea Prime, Ember Prime, Ash Prime, Volt Prime, and Mesa Prime)

I think the implication was that they were only reworking the enemy/specter versions, not the playable ones, but I'm not sure.

Is there any info one way or another?

[pliant saffron]

Pablo mentioned specifically the attack patterns in the last devstream, from what I remember

[steep bobcat]

are they also gnna be available in prime resurgence?

and was caliban prime vaulted alr?

[plush swan]

Caliban Prime and Protea Prime are still unvaulted.

[real niche]

Rework for Protea, Volt and Mesa is weird...

[steep bobcat]

yh thought so

[steep bobcat]

i havent seen any mesa or protea prime parts floating around in ages

[solid otter]

Haven't seen Mesa, but ive seen protea parts

Have her main bp

[real niche]

Yeah they can come back in Resurgence but them getting reworks when they're pretty dang good frames I think is weird

[zenith jacinth]

definitely just reworking the enemies

[solid otter]

I think its just the specters that are getting it

[plush swan]

That's one of the reasons I think they're not reworking the playable versions, only the enemies.

The other is that TOP comes out in just a week, there's zero devstreams between now and then, and this is the first we've heard of it.

When they reworked Nyx and Trinity we heard about it over and over again

[thick jolt]

Pablo mentioned telegraphs and the ember fight they showed live, there's not really any room imo to think it was the playable version

It's just the enemy versions

[real niche]

Oh so Ember is the frame on life support after Oberon, gotcha

Great...

[zenith jacinth]

joy

hey at least chroma isn't getting looked at AT ALL

DE please

[cerulean kiln]

Chroma doesn’t need a rework because

[boreal pewter]

at the time he was pretty powerful

it was absurd

[flat tree]

• the literal nuke frame

[tight pagoda]

"One of the most powerful" yeah he's probably in the top 64 frames I'd say

[flat tree]

Early warframe lore is, extremely strange in the modern setting to be fair

[tight pagoda]

And he's not 64th

[hexed terrace]

WE GOT THE MAGICAL GIRL WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[flat tree]

The later part of the second dream makes actually no sense considering everything we know about transference, gen 2 warframes and the stalker

[clear steeple]

Anyone in the android beta knows if we can connect the google account to cross save yet?

[hexed terrace]

waiting on standing cap reset can break a man...

[plush swan]

The Focus School bonuses in the Perita Rebellion preview don't seem very balanced.

• Zenurik seems very strong, especially for Sevagoth or Caliban.
• Vazarin is either mid or Unairu-tier depending on whether the SC is additive or multiplicative.
• Unairu appears to suck regardless.
• Madurai seems Madurai-tly strong. It might also be the only one that matters, if bosses are functionally immune to status and abilities.

[hexed terrace]

especially one on the east coast where reset is at 7PM

[flat tree]

I got 4pm standing reset 🥀
If I didn't grind it the day before I miss out entirely

[tight pagoda]

https://youtu.be/goiywW46UWg?si=2e02kMrVCtqC-ZLL

[hexed terrace]

its so weird how much I hated timegating back in 2016-17 but its lowk grown on me

[hexed terrace]

is this a somachord?

[tight pagoda]

Not yet which is really annoying

Not in Varzia's shop even though Gauss' and Protea's are

My guess is it's a rights thing with the singer?

[zenith jacinth]

how so?

[zenith jacinth]

garama?

[hexed terrace]

after you've played video games with a vocal soundtrack

you'll never stop wanting to beat UMG to death with your bare hands

[flat tree]

• "Within The Moon, lies the Reservoir, the secret to your Tenno power. But this secret is dangerous, it drove the Stalker to madness. Forgive my deception, I was only trying to protect you from the same fate...." He did not go mad from seeing into the Reservoir and is entirely unrelated

• "All your dread-long life you've waited for this moment. But you're asking yourself—was I one of these wretched things? You know the answer. You still hate them. You still hate yourself." I don't see how that line makes sense considering he again is unrelated

- The part where your warframe moves on its own without transference to rip the stalkers sword out

[hexed terrace]

Garama!

[zenith jacinth]

1. he did go slightly mad
2. hunhow is unreliable
3. post-tenno frames can still move

[tight pagoda]

That last bit is because the Warframe is trying to save you, the person who heals its pain, or itself, the thing being stabbed

[flat tree]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-anotado-noted-noted-gato-noted-cat-gif-15232071836705052766

new information for me

[zenith jacinth]

they're calmed, not lobotomized

[obtuse gyro]

actually one point 2, its hunhow asking stalker about warframes, which the answer is yes

because the shot pans to the warframe when hunhow asks him

[flat tree]

1. Yeah but his madness is related to the Tenno slaughtering the Orokin and I don't think the Reservoir can make someone like that insane, and Jade wasn't even a thing then or his whole backstory

[hexed terrace]

DO NOT PISS ME OFF

[obtuse gyro]

Ok lets break it down:
Stalker relies on false orokin promises to get his family back, especially his kid

Tenno kill orokin

Stalker hunts tenno

tenno keep coming back

tenno are children

surely you can see how there might be some relation in various threads that can drive stalker mad regarding the reservior?

[cosmic prawn]

Also Hunhow's quote is relevant because Stalker, upon learning that the Tenno control Warframes, should be wondering if he was ever controlled by a Tenno, considering he himself is a Warframe.

[tame canopy]

Yeah iirc the shot pans out to stalker after the quote dropped from hunhow

He has to be wondering whether he's ever been controlled, or if he's been controlled this whole time

[solid otter]

Well, lobotomised folk can still do shit, to a high degree actually

[zenith jacinth]

I couldn't remember the right word and that got the point across

[rain otter]

@flat tree okay so All warframes still have a bit of self. That's what the animations are.

The last bit of the personality of the person thet used to be.

[flat tree]

I've known but like

how did ours move on its own at the end of TSD

[fading current]

Roathe: “if Albrecht had not stopped my scheme, you might have slaughtered me with the rest. And then, you would not have your fancy little title. Huh. Chaos theory at work.”

Ugh can next week just hurry?! I’m DYING to learn more about everything we’ve seen. Especially the devils triad omg.

[obtuse gyro]

oh where did you pick that up

[fading current]

From the Devstream!!! When they’re talking about titles!

[obtuse gyro]

welp

DE isnt being subtle in telling us which orokin was directly behind the rebellion

Ive still got money on ballas making him the fall guy

[solid otter]

We know the scheme

It is funny, no clue why Albrecht would stop the takeover

[flat tree]

I'm betting on Entrati taking Roathe where he's supposed to die after the rebellion failed because nobody would care

[solid otter]

Overthrow the government? Kinda based. Oh its just another rich blue dude? Nevermind.

[solid otter]

If he wanted Roathe to die, he wouldn't have set up the loop lowkey

Marie and Lyon are Roathe's caretakers, i assume Albrecht felt that killing Roathe wouldn't do any good

[fading current]

Oh I know. I am just hyped to learn more about his story and the triad in general. That line in particular just stood out to me when I rewatched.

[zenith jacinth]

okay so All warframes still have a bit of self. That's what the animations are.

[flat tree]

I mean him taking Roathe where he would normally be killed by the Orokin and placing him in his exile with that sole question and the helminth for some currently unknown reason

I'm nestawood theorizing here

[zenith jacinth]

Not by the orokin

[solid otter]

I think Roathe would've been murdered by all sides

If the dax could that is kekw

[flat tree]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1210699417494224957/1210718319204630608/image-2.gif

[zenith jacinth]

...who do you think was doing the killing during the collapse

[flat tree]

I'm considering the Tenno and Orokin under the same banner here since I'm talking about the rebellion

[zenith jacinth]

[flat tree]

The Tenno are under the Orokin at that time cro....

[zenith jacinth]

"You(the tenno) might have slaughtered me with the rest(of the orokin)"

[zenith jacinth]

You can not be that dense

[flat tree]

Perhaps I am

Ok but what are u trying to say

[zenith jacinth]

Can you stop it with those images they're clogging the channel

[zenith jacinth]

What I'm trying to say is this

[flat tree]

ohhhh

ok I'm actually dense as shit

shit I'm sorry

[echo basalt]

like a loaf of pumpkin bread

[zenith jacinth]

Denser than a tungsten cube

[flat tree]

mood gone

only sadness

[tame canopy]

DE, when will you let us attend baro's parties

I want to see his social circles and maybe assist him in securing void goods

[zenith jacinth]

Get inaros prime for the latter

[tight pagoda]

Yeah, if you approach him as Inaros Prime he'll have a mission for you

[zenith jacinth]

With unique rewards

[tame canopy]

ohhh yeah he does have that, I forgot lol

[flat tree]

And he is strapped

[echo basalt]

too bad he's glass canon

[flat tree]

He is a regular dude

[echo basalt]

he can afford a bullet proof fit

[flat tree]

nothing in this game is bullet proof outside of literal tanks

[tame canopy]

There is no way we don't have bullet proof tech when some red veil operatives in chains of harrow can do the casual projection deflection move our wf do when we're standing

Then again, I doubt the bullets in the origin system is anything like irl bullets lol

[shadow forum]

don't remind me chains of harrow, that quest was mind-blowing

[tame canopy]

So bulletproof for them means different compared to "bullet proof" in irl - which we don't have

[balmy storm]

Iirc we do use “normal” bullets cause the tenno needed weapons against the sentients that they couldn’t just hack into
Ofc we do have energy, chemical and all kinds of other weapons and “bullet” types that could exist

Bullet proof tech also def exists but it means less against a Warframe
Warframes are also made to be bullet proof (sword steel skin) and Helminth repairs any and all damages when we get back to the ship
Ofc the Warframe surviving isn’t always needed, it’s just that the tenno care about their frames

[tame canopy]

yeah but those "normal" bullet aren't gonna be made with say, the same metallurgy irl earth makes bullets with

[cerulean kiln]

Weren’t Red Veil also being controlled by Wally in the quest

[tame canopy]

iirc in one of the ceph frags, it's said they needed primitive weapons to deal with sentients' adapations against their advanced tech, so they resorted to all sort of archaic weaponry like melee and whatnot

[tame canopy]

The tenno being empathetic to the wf, something the orokin lacks - funnily enough, despite being the worst egomaniac and narcissist, ballas could articulate that as the cause behind their ability to control wf, even if he can't encapsulate it into a word

[tame canopy]

I mean even if they are, I'm pretty sure augmentation tech by the time the origin system became the way it is should enhance people enough to do that much - not that it's really that needed for non-tenno fights, since shield tech is commonplace

Makes you low key wonder what non tennos do with the modular tech around the origin systems, like zaws, kitguns, moas, etc

im just idly curious cuz I wanna know more of the wf world - how do its inhabitants fend for themselves, when the tenno's not around and the issue's not severe enough to warrant their presence?

[balmy badger]

In the majority of cases: They die.

The colonies cannot defend themselves once they get swarmed by one of the enemy factions.

[echo basalt]

funfact: the ax-52 has 5.56 caliber rounds modeled in its magazine

[opaque dove]

Not 7.62x39mm? Sadge

[zenith jacinth]

Militia

[flat loom]

Being invited and you end up being his waiter

[tame canopy]

Perfect moment for DE to release maid outfits

[flat loom]

And yet they haven't

[tame canopy]

Give it to hildryn :>

[flat loom]

https://tenor.com/view/table-hit-yakuza-hitting-table-walk-out-gif-15307369

[solid otter]

Yall ever realise that you can partially see the first letter letter of each kimchat name, outside the unknown one? Wonder why that is

[tight pagoda]

Formatting probably

I wonder if they have fun usernames

[solid otter]

But what format difference would it be?

And it looks like their name are normal

[tight pagoda]

Maybe a punctuation thing?

./Entrati_DevilsTriad

[solid otter]

It wouldn't change where the letter starts, would it?

We'd still see it, we see enough of the triad's first letters to tell which letters they are

[tight pagoda]

maybe they just haven't the text in

And the reason is because it's LOID dun dun dun

[solid otter]

I don't think the eye of entrati is a placeholder either, the triad has a sigil already

[hearty pendant]

wally chat and he has no name

[solid otter]

The hex's group chat is their batch sigil, so it would follow the same rules as that, wouldn't it?

We can see the triad's one here

[opaque dove]

I assume the entrati eye is the group one

[solid otter]

Why would it be a group one, that doesn't match with the triad?

The hex has theirs as the batch sigil

[hearty pendant]

yea idk if there's any characters in that font that would create that space
best guess is that the group chat was intentionally hidden.. for some reason?
it fits the format of the hex, having their group chat at the top then individual members below, even though the icons don't match

[solid otter]

I don't know and it hurts.

[tight pagoda]

Again, placeholders probably

[solid otter]

I can't see it as a placeholder

[tight pagoda]

This is the same screenshot that had the Gaulle 1899 thing, right?

[solid otter]

It doesn't really make sense to me at least

[solid otter]

New image

[hearty pendant]

does the old one have something there or is it also blank

[tight pagoda]

Yeah but the same base image?

[solid otter]

No gaulle, no date, and its consistent between it

[opaque dove]

Gaulle?

[solid otter]

Some place in france, idk, when i look it up I just get a president or a airport named after the president

[tight pagoda]

There used to be an image that had a description that said stuff about the Devil's Triad being in Gaulle 1899 — Gaulle probably being Warframe's France, and 1899 being XX99

But they quickly changed the image

[solid otter]

Both versions have it

[opaque dove]

My question is, if this is 1899, how the hell are Lyon and Marie supposed to know how the Kim system works?

[tight pagoda]

There's a timetraveler there

[opaque dove]

Right

[solid otter]

Do... do the orokin have computers the same way?

[tight pagoda]

And they were given orders by Entrati who was probably familiar with 1999 tech

[solid otter]

I just think Loid showed em ngl

[tight pagoda]

Since this is actually set after the Hex quest, maybe Loid showed them

[solid otter]

He is right next to em

Loid needs a break, the labs are getting so populated

[tight pagoda]

Poor guy can't even go outside for fresh air

[opaque dove]

I mean, Albrecht set up a 1999 KIM POM 2 set up back in the sanctum. And I’m the labs

[solid otter]

I'm the labs

[opaque dove]

I hate autocorrect

[tight pagoda]

They apparently confirmed that the Pom in the Sanctum is the same one the Triad will use

[solid otter]

Mhm, they also showed off a bit of Marie's kim convo in that devstream

[opaque dove]

Albrecht almost definitely taught Loid how to work the POMs

[hearty pendant]

objectively funny idea
Loid is transcribing what the triad say

[solid otter]

Cute. Relationship goals.

[tight pagoda]

Genuinely hell

[opaque dove]

[press ‘x’ to doubt]

[solid otter]

I think that would physically kill Loid

[tight pagoda]

Especially Roathe

[opaque dove]

More like mentally

[tight pagoda]

I wonder if the Cavia will take over any chats

[solid otter]

I genuinely cannot wait to see if Loid has any lines about Roathe

[tight pagoda]

You think you're talking to Marie and then suddenly a bunch of hekjroehrkejsowlrjjfifoeeko2994738292

Because Bird 3 slammed his head into the keyboard

[solid otter]

Bcs bird 3 made his way over

[opaque dove]

I wonder how our interactions will go with Roathe, if they’ll lean more Operator or Drifter for them

[solid otter]

Tagfer has headbutted Roathe off the edge of the sanctum (where the vessel representing Albrecht is)

[tight pagoda]

It's just Drifter chatting with them since they're romance options

[opaque dove]

Makes sense

But that leaves the question of how The Drifter and Roathe will interact

[solid otter]

He just. Leaves. Apparently.

[tight pagoda]

We may get some philosophical questions

[solid otter]

I don't like that.

That's kinda what makes it feel like it was just a cashgrab, they didn't think about it

[tight pagoda]

Yeah I'd have liked for the church to be a larger space than some small room

[opaque dove]

I wonder how heavy bird 3 is

[solid otter]

Exile
Not an exile and dude can just walk out

[tight pagoda]

Or even just an extension of the mall

[solid otter]

Ever held a peacock? They're heavy, id imagine bird 3 is worse.

[tight pagoda]

Again it's set after 1999's finale so maybe the protocol has changed

[opaque dove]

No, I have not held a peacock. I imagine the weight is from the big ass plumage

[solid otter]

I have! And yes they are heavy, but its more the bird over the feathers. Similar to a turkey

Listing random big birds as if folk have ever held em 😭

[opaque dove]

Also, considering the wings to body ratio, Bird 3 probably has denser bones and thus heavier. Because ratites are big birds with similar wing to body ratios

[solid otter]

Like emus!

He is a big bird, he also eats meat :)

[opaque dove]

He is, in fact, the biggest bird

[solid otter]

I wanna hug him so bad. Inhale the bird dust

[opaque dove]

You can

[solid otter]

Plottwist, the sand dust thing in the sanctum is actually bird 3's dust

[solid otter]

Ik, i mean irl lmao

[opaque dove]

I know… but lo, he is fictional

I want to hug Tagfer. He needs it

[solid otter]

Im lowkey annoyed we couldn't comfort loid.

[opaque dove]

Not sure how he’d receive it. But yeah

[solid otter]

Sometimes he just needs a hug

[opaque dove]

Considering how we’ve almost given a heart attack before, yeah

[solid otter]

Scared the shit out of him by using the vessel to say hi

[tropic venture]

That part's so funny cause Drifter could have just as easily returned to the present to actually tell him directly that the Sequence was now complete

but instead they were just like "Hey yknow what would be funny?"

[solid otter]

Loid smacked drifter on the back of their head for it

[tropic venture]

Now he's gonna see Roathe is back and just get even more tired

[solid otter]

Dude is too sober for it

[opaque dove]

The hell even is Roathe’s title

[solid otter]

Vice Regent Grand Carnus. Vice regent is a second in command to a regent [a leader/monarch in place of a monarch], and he was a military Commander (Grand Carnus)

[opaque dove]

I wonder who the leader/monarch was
cough cough ballass cough

[solid otter]

Mb should've specified it further

A regent is someone who is serving in place of a monarch/leader due to a missing/incapacitated/underage monarch

[opaque dove]

Who would the regent be in this case, actually

[solid otter]

No clue

[undone lodge]

Lmao, fly

[tropic venture]

AI summary

[zenith jacinth]

Ew AI

[tropic venture]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnus

[undone lodge]

Carnus is a genus of flies. There are 5 described species. most specimens have their wing broken off leaving a short stub. All are parasites of birds.

[undone lodge]

Yeah AI or not I’m not taking 3 screenshots to show something when googles already put it all in the space for one

[fringe pond]

You can do that without using the ai summary you goof 💀

[tame canopy]

RYOSHU LIMBUS COMPANY??

[shadow forum]

what is funny for me, once the old peace quest comes il do it and get it done the same day it starts.

Of course with losing myself in the process of quest questions xD

[tropic venture]

but then you have the KIM chatting still

[solid otter]

Apollo's lover-

[glass tartan]

So do we have a betting pool yet for "adis is hunhow"?

[solid otter]

Unlikely

Hunhow would be big by now, especially if ballas and Roathe are together

[cerulean kiln]

0% chance of that being possible

[tropic venture]

Hunhow and Praghasa were the original Sentients first sent to Tau.

[solid otter]

Together as partners to overthrow the government

[cerulean kiln]

Instead he just took a bath

[tropic venture]

Adis being Hunhow would almost lead to a bootstrap paradox where he is his own progenitor

[solid otter]

Hunhow needed it

[solid otter]

Is that not what Roathe is

Wonder how that's gonna work actually

[tropic venture]

hard to tell at the moment

[undone lodge]

But is that less effort than taking the single screenshot of automatically there information I already know is accurate and not hallucinated because I’ve read the actual stuff?

[tropic venture]

Just send the wiki link like I do

[cerulean kiln]

I’m the destroyer of Wiki for lore users

[undone lodge]

Different wikis, more effort to copy/paste them than take a single screenshot

[rain otter]

You know it's often wrong right. Takes half a second to click on a link

[tame canopy]

yeah AI summary isn't that reliable, any outputs from it ought to be verified before being used

[undone lodge]

Yes, and, as I said, I did

I just wasn’t screenshotting and cropping 3 of them for a 2 word message when I knew the information wasn’t wrong

[undone lodge]

I also did actually straight up quote one of the articles

[celest hollow]

This should’ve been Lettie ;-;

[solid otter]

Nah, Eleanor is better for the constant tiredness feeling

[celest hollow]

Nuh, Lettie is a medic she’s always tired

[hasty viper]

Quick question for the new update are we going in to a dream or are we actually going to tau

[vocal geyser]

guys it says the update drops at 10am, but what time zone?

[hearty pendant]

reliving our memories.

[hearty pendant]

this should show it in your timezone

[wicked iron]

I want to find some Orokin era Grineer in cryo and wake them up to be our friends, dang it!

[vocal geyser]

fireee ty ty

[solid otter]

I want more loid content.. ouh..

Delusion is in my brain

[cerulean kiln]

They’re more likely to shoot you

[wicked iron]

We were friends with the ones on Tau during The Old Peace.

[solid otter]

... i uh

[wicked iron]

And even before, honestly. We had no issues with them until the whole Tenno rebellion took place, so if they've been in cryo on Tau all this time, they were likely not part of all that.

[solid otter]

Wouldn't call it friendship. There's also the rebelling grineer

[wild wind]

The Old Peace, meaning before we slaughtered their masters and they received the kill-on-sight orders?

[cerulean kiln]

Separatists

[wild wind]

Anarchs, isn't it?

[solid otter]

Mhm.

[wild wind]

Separatists is Star Wars prequels

[wicked iron]

Yes.

[solid otter]

Are they really rebelling if its Roathe behind it?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[wild wind]

Playing both sides means that there are still two sides

[plush swan]

Wait, is Roathe actually behind the rebellion on Perita?

Or is that just speculation?

[hearty pendant]

not outright confirmed but heavily hinted towards

[solid otter]

Seems to be. He's behind a "imperial takeover", and given Roathe is from that time...

[flat tree]

I'm not infested 🥀

[cerulean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[pastel pasture]

what would a caliban protoframe look like

or a xaku protoframe 😨

actually a xaku protoframe would fit in with the story. In deep distress that their friends are fused with them and seeks comfort from the Drifter assuring them that they are all their friends combined

[hearty pendant]

-# a xaku proto would not need to be three people, it can still just be the one

[pastel pasture]

but it could be three people

Entarti is not someone who would do something the nice way just because he can

[hearty pendant]

sure. but why would he go to the effort of making three protos of lost frames then combining them together instead of just making one

[pastel pasture]

i imagine it'd be more like part of the infection was the friends combining

[hearty pendant]

that still seems like extra steps?

[pastel pasture]

or alternatively you could say Entrati attempted to remake the original 3 frames but something something eternalism

Xaku is fated to be and thus any attempt to recreate the three frames that make up Xaku just results in Xaku being created

[steep totem]

Or you got just have some personality disorder representation

[plush swan]

Post-Sacrifice Ballas does a pretty good cosplay of that.

[uncut solar]

His double legs is a subtle nod to the fact that caliban doesn't actually fly

[solid otter]

New war ballas has such a banger design

[balmy storm]

You can’t recreate them, they were lost

[balmy storm]

Could be, probably wouldn’t be
Albrecht is giving people injections, not performing surgery on them
Xaku is a weird frame for sure but fundamentally their should work the same as the others; get sample of strain, inject, transformation

What I can see being most likely is Albrecht injects someone and the strain effects both their mind and body, splintering both
They would be injected with 3 subdued strains mixed together as one
And then you have the strong void connection
A Xaku Protoframe is going to have more issues with what they’re becoming than anything else, pieces of them literally falling off, their mind fracturing, the infestation and the void creeping into their mind, or what’s left of it

[real niche]

If they wanted to get really cool with it, I could see them using someone who is a plural system for Xaku if making Xaku was reverse-engineered back into just getting a single "strain" that was inject and forget.

[celest hollow]

Maybe a person with dissociative personality disorder having their separate personalities having their split minds emphasized by shifting plates of flesh

Then again idk how or what it feels like to have dpd so eh

[hearty pendant]

design-wise, i do wonder if they'd get like. hollowed out

[celest hollow]

Maybe charred flesh

Or acid scarred from effervon

Bc we know effervon is corrosive to techrot and regular people so maybe

[hearty pendant]

i feel like that could fit better for valkyr? but it isn't a bad idea

[uncut solar]

You inject someone with the xaku strain and their body just falls apart because there's no void tendrils

[plush swan]

Why wouldn't there be void tendrils?

[uncut solar]

It was a bad joke

You can throw a brick at me

You need gravimags to craft base Xaku, I'm sure it can hold together

[zenith jacinth]

He kinda is

[pastel pasture]

since when?

[zenith jacinth]

Ok you must've not been paying attention to his actions, albrecht tries his best to prevent unnecessary sacrifices

[pastel pasture]

he...

he was going to kill the cavia

it was loid that put them into cryo sleep for a cure

that seems pretty unncessary sacrifice to me

he was going to blow up the reactor and only didn't because the Drifter was determined to finid another way

Entrati is constantly doing what he thinks is right and only goes the moral route once someone else steps up

[hearty pendant]

the thing with the drifter was intentional. he wanted the drifter to (at least) dislike him so they'd restart the year out of spite
was it not loid that wanted to get rid of the cavia, and only kept them at albrecht's request?

[pastel pasture]

ill give you that first point but im pretty sure Loid says it was his idea to cure them

he says it in one of the cavia rank up scenes IIRC

Entrati tries to do what's right but its pretty clear he's standing is "no cost too great"

[hearty pendant]

loid claims albrecht wanted to keep the cavia during whispers, then says that he (loid) froze them in hopes to find a cure in the rank 3 cutscene, yea
hm

[pastel pasture]

not to mention Tagfer's namesake

last of their species in an empire where cloning exists?

tagged for disposal

[real niche]

The reactor did blow up. He was trying to goad Drifter into just leaving The Hex behind.

[zenith jacinth]

Extremely flawed cloning*

[pastel pasture]

yes but cloning all the same

not even a "put them in cryo sleep and hope for a better future" or "keep them around and let them live our the rest of their lives"

tagged for disposal. not even giving them a chance to make children

[uncut solar]

I'm sure he knows how "freeze for a better future" turns out given he's been in 1999

[pastel pasture]

i mean worked out pretty well for the Cavia

[balmy storm]

It’s only flawed now, is it not?
Or do we know that clones can’t reproduce?

[uncut solar]

I imagine a lot of what he did had the mentality of "radiation wars will wipe this all out anyway"

[pastel pasture]

let's not forget the one more damning piece of evidence against Albrecht

he's an Orokin....that usually comes with some implications

[zenith jacinth]

And notably different from the usual

[rain otter]

I think we do? Also it's only flawed cuz of how old the gene molds are and they fact they don't have the originals or the Orokin tech.

I think.

[pastel pasture]

eeeeh. i'd say he's a better behaved one

He wasn't an executor but he was still Orokin.

found the loid quote

"I SAVED YOUR LIVES! Do you really think Albrecht thought to freeze you? To preserve you? That was me. In the hope that we might find a cure for….""

[balmy storm]

To expand on this in relation to Xaku
Nice way or not I don’t think their injection would be spread between 3 people, the Lost frames can’t be recovered so what’s injected is just the instructions to turn them into Xaku

I also think just retreading on what they already did wouldn’t work? Like sure you can say he figured out the lost frames, recovered enough for stable injections that partially transform 3 and then he shoves em in the void
That isn’t just a Xaku Protoframe then that’s just Xaku but again

So from a narrative perspective it makes more sense to me to do something similar yet different and since Xaku is already cosmetically connected to an individual with multiple personalities then Albrecht injecting someone with or causing multiple personalities makes sense

Also the largest issue for a Xaku Protoframe is the void

[zenith jacinth]

It is heavily stressed that he's different from other orokin

[pastel pasture]

It's also heavily stressed he is still a huge jerk

[balmy storm]

Albrecht sucks
Less than most
But still sucks a lot

[zenith jacinth]

[pastel pasture]

as i said to someone before. He puts the anti in anti-hero

[zenith jacinth]

Like talking to a wall. I'm out

[balmy storm]

Albrecht is a “for the greater good” kinda guy

[pastel pasture]

hey if you want to partipate you gotta provide evidence in game instead of just saying "no you're wrong"

[balmy storm]

He’s better than most Orokin but he shares a lot of attributes with them

Like
Being better than most Orokin doesn’t really say much when the bar is as low as it can be

[pastel pasture]

im not trying to say he is an irredeemable jerk who isn't good at all.

I'm saying he's someone who'd gladly kill 10 people to save 100 without looking for a way to save all 110

[balmy storm]

His actions are out of fear, some things he does are more understandable than everything Ballas did

[balmy storm]

I’d say he’s irredeemable, idc if he can stop Wally as soon as he does I got my crosshair on him

Like sure he feels guilt and love but what matters is his actions which are
Really bad

[pastel pasture]

that is fair

I think he's trying his hardest to fix his mistakes and that alone shows something

[balmy storm]

Ah yes let me ruin some random past people’s lives, why? Funny

[pastel pasture]

in defense of protoframing the hex.

being infected is probably the only reason they are still alive

[balmy storm]

He’s trying his hardest to fix one singular mistake that could cost him literally everything

[balmy storm]

They’re only alive because of the loop
And helminthing makes their lives hell
They literally die no matter what

[pastel pasture]

I mean yeah but they survived a little bit

[balmy storm]

Like the loop exists but time keeps going
They die outside that loop, either due to a lack of us or the 18 nukes.

He also did not do it so they could survive :p

[real niche]

Either they died by Techrot or they just get identity death'd by being Warframe'd. Albrecht sees them as lost causes to heal lol.

[pastel pasture]

I mean yeah but with anti-heroes you gotta take what you can get

[balmy storm]

We don’t know why he made them
It just turned out they worked well for making the Vessels

[balmy storm]

Or nuked to hell

[pastel pasture]

do we know if the protoframes from old peace are entrati's doing

[hearty pendant]

yea they called him a "creature of habit" on the devstream when referencing the triad

[pastel pasture]

that's uh

not exactly a golden beam of light on his character

[balmy storm]

All protoframes are his doing

It’s called an entrati side story lmao

[pastel pasture]

well hopefully they are leaning on the "okay with it" side like Kaya and...maybe Vel and Min?

they don't seem particularly beaten up about it like some of the hex are

[balmy storm]

Lyon and Marie seem like fans of his

Roathe? Lmao no, they hate each other

[pastel pasture]

and I guess Flare accepts their protoframing in the end, agreeing to help out during the night of naga drums

[balmy storm]

Lyon and Marie might see it as gifts
Marie seems to be disabled so being Wisp helps her out a lot, plus she has access to one of her two gods

[balmy storm]

(If we help them)

[pastel pasture]

i did ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy storm]

Same lol

Not everyone did and if we don’t help em then history isn’t rewritten that way and they never help us

[hearty pendant]

Vel and Min knew what they were getting into
unknown on Kaya, but she doesn't seem bothered by it
have to help Flare through accepting their transformation, but they're the worst of the roundtable in that regard

[balmy storm]

The key is we help them and then they get Kaya’s help outside of the loop to get to the comet to come help us

[pastel pasture]

pretty sure Kaya is on record loving being Nova

[balmy storm]

The roundtable knew what they were getting into iirc

The Hex did not

[pastel pasture]

I think like....one of them did?

[balmy storm]

Tbh the Hex and Roathe seem to be the only ones Entrati lied to

[pastel pasture]

i always mix up their names

[balmy storm]

I believe Kaya did actually

[pastel pasture]

Volt...Amir?

[balmy storm]

Flare just knew it’d help them

I don’t think Amir knew?
I vaguely remember the story of what happened to him, I wanna say if he did he didnt have a choice

[hearty pendant]

Kaya never talks about how or why she got the helminth injection iirc
Flare got a vague "this will help you"
Min/Vel sound like they got a proper debrief

[balmy storm]

We know Kaya found him

[pastel pasture]

I think he was going to be arrested or killed by ORO.

Entrati offered an escape

[hearty pendant]

yea, but i don't remember if that's pre-injection or post-
or if she says either at all

[hearty pendant]

sounds familiar? i'd have to look through his chats again

[balmy storm]

It’d be pre :p

Albrecht has to give them the injections so she had to find him and he likely offered it to her

Whether or not he gave details? No idea
But she would figure it out either way lol

[undone lodge]

Goading them into thinking he wanted them to. We only actually complete The Sequence once we do the exact opposite of that once we reset the loop

[hearty pendant]

"So I found him, surprised him. And ohh my god. Grandpa Doktor was not happy but, I cut right to it.
I knew he was from the future. He knew I knew. He gave me a choice and well whatever. Now I found you."
yep, sounds like it

[hearty pendant]

"but then the O.R.O. found out... i don't know how i covered my tracks perfectly i KNOW i did
and they sent scaldra after me because i was a traitor to national security they said
i got a page from a number telling me to go to an address
didn't know what else to do, and... so i went and it was... it was dr. e
he gave me this vial and said if scaldra found me i should inject it and...
and well i'm... i'm not working at Big Bytes so...
weallknowhowthatwentformedon'twe"

[pastel pasture]

really want more lore about ORO

given that Orokin literally means "child of oro"

[lusty portal]

does anyone know why the Lotus took Ballas’s hand and left us during the Apostasy Prologue? i thought she cared about the tenno

[rain otter]

Where are you in the game?

[lusty portal]

all caught up, but it’s been a long time since the New War so i forgot why lotus left in the first place

[rain otter]

Oh just Ballas manipulation is the answer.

[lusty portal]

glad we got rid of that blue-chinned eel

[rain otter]

As the Drifter says "lady they got they got their hooks in you deep." Stlll great.

[lusty portal]

oh and does it say anywhere in the game where Ballas came from? i thought the Tenno wiped out all the Orokin. did they have their own stasis pods in some safe place

[hearty pendant]

ballas is a weasel

[rain otter]

Oh quiet a few Orokin lived we just killed most of the leadership.

[fervent anchor]

Yup. Alad survived as well

[hearty pendant]

alad survived the new war
he was not around for the old one

[fervent anchor]

Oh. Ooooh that would explain his lack of knowledge on the tenno. Or that would be part of it anyway

Regardless. We didn't exactly do a total purge

[wild wind]

Yeah we missed a few dozen spots

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah hunhow calling him an orokin is just space racism

[wild wind]

Friend of mine just pointed something out

During the devstream Reb said "Marie and Lyon have to go on Void pilgrimages"

Which means that at least for them the Void was accessible in 1899

[solid otter]

Albrecht shenanigans™

[wild wind]

To say the least

[fervent anchor]

Grandpa being racist doesn't surprise me... his only friend is a really angry dad after all

[shadow forum]

hey if have a question will devils triad and old peace be single missions or co-op

[tight pagoda]

Old Peace quest is single player but everything else is multi, I think

[shadow forum]

once it gets downloaded imideatly il jump in old peace xD

[shadow forum]

But yea 8 days left until it come officially

[rigid pine]

Will we get some new 1999 weapons at some point?

[wild wind]

maybe in the future? We're pretty well covered right now

we have most of the Scaldra weapons

[flat loom]

Someone made mag as a scaldra flayer, and I haven't been the same ever since

[tropic venture]

None are known atm, but maybe in the future

[rigid pine]

Alr thank bro

[tidal turret]

gonna be blasting this for the whole month https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=CYxZYi7Vj6I&si=VrtVBI3XGXUL8RNM

thematically fitting because On-Lyne quite literally are the Infested Liches... (idk how that works lol)

[zenith jacinth]

They aren't

The coda are very mediocre clones

[tidal turret]

that's what i'm saying... Techrot gonna Techrot... idk how they can copy On-Lyne since y'know Techrot hehe

[zenith jacinth]

It's not limited to tech despite the name

The clones are programmed with responses for interviews bc that's all they were used for

[frail musk]

Bow

[zenith jacinth]

Bow?

[tidal turret]

anyway time to hunt that stupid Coda Lich of mine

[shadow forum]

Good luck

[undone lodge]

Probably as in Resident Evil’s BOWs (Bio-Organic Weapon)

[tidal turret]

i got a funny Coda name and vanquished thinking i'd get a weapon... RIP

[zenith jacinth]

You get currency for weapons

They did away with rng weapons for the coda

[tidal turret]

damn it

[uncut solar]

Then you buy from from eleanor

[tidal turret]

i know where to get them

[uncut solar]

It's like ergo glast but with 2 sets of weapons on rotation

[tidal turret]

i see

what two sets

?

[zenith jacinth]

Sets just means the selection of weapons not like actual sets to buy

[tidal turret]

i know

[zenith jacinth]

Look up coda on the wiki

[tidal turret]

ok i will thanks

[uncut solar]

Reset to A in 9 hours

[tidal turret]

is the pathocyst the weapon i think it is?

[uncut solar]

Idk what you're thinking

[zenith jacinth]

I recommend bassocyst, mire, torxica and hirudo

[zenith jacinth]

Glaive

[tidal turret]

emissary weapon

[uncut solar]

Pathocyst is the viral glaive

[tidal turret]

from season 2 of nightwave yes?

[zenith jacinth]

And now from the annoying boss on deimos, yes

[tame canopy]

What the hell is this? just ranked 4 the hex

What does this even do?!

[uncut solar]

Resets the conversation paths

If you wanted to try romancing someone again or a different dialogue path

Same option will be available for the triad once it's out

[tame canopy]

Ohhh fascinating!
All right, then I won't forget then

[uncut solar]

It's every in-game winter

[tame canopy]

Also, round table... this means I should start getting new members?

[uncut solar]

Rank 4 unlocks Flare

The others will become available at rank 5

[zenith jacinth]

roundtable are the protos that show up in the mall at r4

[tame canopy]

YOOOOOO NEW GUY

And he got his own currency 👁️

Oh hey the guitar really spoke

So now I guess a new mission has opened for me?

So far I've observed that special currency like lua thrax plasma tends to be in their own missions

[undone lodge]

It also lets you go back and experience all possible conversations if you hadn’t turned the option on from the start

[undone lodge]

They

[tame canopy]

oh flare goes by they/them? didn't know

oh wow wee 3 new potential people

[opaque dove]

They do

[tame canopy]

Neat, good to know

Oh yes finally, a new mod for my kubrow

barely got any in here

Hell yeah flare's mission is unlocked

[opaque dove]

Yeah, flare is like the first of the roundtable one can interact with

[thick jolt]

Yeah flare goes by they, and lizzie the guitar goes by she

[zenith jacinth]

4

[undone lodge]

They mean aside from Flare

[fiery surge]

Who managed to 100% focus prior to Focus Expansion?

I do.

In all 5 trees

[wild wind]

Lots of people tbh

[plush swan]

You should talk to the Conservation Vendors and "Trade Tags" for mods:

• Ostron: Master Teasonai
• Solaris: The Business
• Entrati: Son

The only essential mod you don't get that way is Bite

[fervent anchor]

I haven't been able to roll a bite for the life of me

Even been making it a point to specifically and do missions on earth to get the best possible mob drop chance

[echo basalt]

its literal pain

[pine wharf]

damn💀

[fervent anchor]

It's just passively playing the game and capturing like 10 Terry's. You wanting to do something fast doesn't make It's organic nature a pain 😂

[pine wharf]

fair 😭 haven't been on that game in years

i think since my very 1st PS4 i had cane sort of tried the game and didn't play it anymore 🤷🏿‍♂️

[fervent anchor]

Sorry. That wasn't meant to come off as targeted as it was. I just have a personal vendetta against warframe players collectively demonizing anything that isn't fast 😭

[pine wharf]

but i'm going to get back on the game when i get me a PS5 cause i need to grind 🥲

[pine wharf]

ik 😂

cause i always grind stuff in different games

[fervent anchor]

Like I don't care if the void proxima mission takes 20 minutes and I could get the same core rewards elsewhere in 5 minutes. The game isn't going anywhere. Let me have fun 😭. I don't care that you want to be fast. Just don't make me saying I like to go slow my problem

[pine wharf]

real though 😂

gotta respect the grind 🤷🏿‍♂️

[fervent anchor]

Real and true. No matter what form it comes in.

[zenith jacinth]

Flare included would be 5

[undone lodge]

There aren’t 5 people there

[zenith jacinth]

U sure?

Ohh wait I see now

Misinterpretation

[pastel pasture]

What'd be the worst protoframe to be

My vote is for either grendel nidus or nokko

[undone lodge]

Xaku

[hearty pendant]

nidus n qorvex are pretty far up there

[undone lodge]

Even aside from the mismatched body parts, and the big gaps in your body

Imagine how awful accidentally dashing would be

Or hell, even just dashing because you have to

[pastel pasture]

Nokko you'd have a fungal infection that you just have to deal with forever

[uncut solar]

Not to mention the parts are CONSTANTLY being driven apart. It takes active effort to stay together. The subtle shaking, the constant falling apart in the agile animations. It's honestly horrible

[hearty pendant]

xaku, nidus, (somewhat) qorvex would be. high levels of body horror. depends on how qorvex is done

[south fable]

I can imagine all of them being insanely sick, like physically ill, void poisoning, fungal infections, Chernobyl

[hearty pendant]

(but also qorvex has a damn nuclear reactor in the chest so there's other problems)

[uncut solar]

Also Kullervo. All those blades are actively embedded and he can take self damage from them

[hearty pendant]

ooh true, yeah

[uncut solar]

He can try getting them off but they return

[south fable]

Just give proto kullervo sickle cell, hes used to being in excruciating pain all the time

Went to doc entrati for some sort of cure, a relief and boom? Kullervo kullervo

[hearty pendant]

nah i think i'd want a proto kullervo to clash with the kullervo strain. something about the opposite reaction to guilt than what kullervo actually had

[undone lodge]

Tbh, as cool as a ProtoXaku would be, they’d probably also be the best choice to portray and actually get across just how awful the transformation can be

Like a proto that wants to or already has taken, drastic action because of the state being a proto had put in. With a lot of the others The Horni and their similarity to normal human shapes probably dampen the impact for a bunch players, that and the kinda lightish way it gets treated at times

A Xaku would let them really drive it home because of how obvious it’d be, and just how different it is

[uncut solar]

Kullervo felt guilt and half the stuff he's done isn't really on him

Kullervo proto that is an actual hack would be funny

[wide elk]

is it normal to get softlocked by upgrading a relic as it ends. I couldn't do anything. now im a bit upset I've lost some rewards that TOOK a while to get

[wild wind]

happens yeah

[tight pagoda]

Interesting that one of the bundles includes Amp parts.

[serene laurel]

are Raids coming back to Warframe with this Old Peace update?

[wide elk]

they said they're NEVER doing raids

[serene laurel]

Looks like I'm NEVER coming back

[wide elk]

the logistics would be hell lmao

[hearty pendant]

unfortunate
though their wording on devstream 190 was weird about raids

[wide elk]

come back in 2030 or 2050

they might try again then

[obtuse gyro]

2035 lol

[serene laurel]

2030 is only about 4 years away

[wide elk]

which is like what, almost 16 more frames

[serene laurel]

They still won't have all the Primes out by then

[wide elk]

I dont think they'll be caught up anyway...we'll see ig

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think they'll ever be caught up unless they stop making new warframes

[wide elk]

they cant cause they'll get less returning players so

[serene laurel]

I like Warframe a lot, but there's not enough in the game to maintain a constant playtime

[opaque dove]

I do Wonder what’s coming in the Uriel collection

[vestal wedge]

depends on the type of player, plenty of "content" for people who wanna get everything in the game

[wild wind]

It's listed on the website already

[tight pagoda]

https://www.warframe.com/news/the-old-peace-market-bundles

[serene laurel]

You can only run Arbitrations and EDA so many times before it's like--okay what now? Just repeating missions without a purpose other than just to blast enemies. I respect those who get on and blast enemies and that's their fun--but for me it gets old quickly

Was just curious if Raids were coming back, but I appreciate all the responses. Thanks friends

[vestal wedge]

what weapons do you get from eda?

[serene laurel]

None as far as I'm aware

[wild wind]

Deep Archemedia drops shards, melee arcanes, and melee arcane adapters

[wide elk]

archimedea is just for arcanes and shards usually

[vestal wedge]

aware.

[wild wind]

though, you can use the Cavia standing you get to buy Ekhein I guess??

[vestal wedge]

true, same goes for eta no? i havent ever check if that gives stand though id assume it does

[hearty pendant]

neither archimedea gives standing afaik

not directly, though you can still find the medallions iirc

[vestal wedge]

eda does. 15k

[hearty pendant]

oh fr? huh

[wild wind]

yeah

I don't believe TA does the same

[hearty pendant]

temporal gives 15k as well according to the wiki

[vestal wedge]

previously it didnt but
yeah it does now, again not sure about eta, but id assume i gived the same lol

[wild wind]

well I'll be damned

[vestal wedge]

thought so

[zenith jacinth]

Raids wouldn't change that

[tight pagoda]

They added the standing gain more recently

I think with Isleweaver

[wild wind]

I agree but I wasn't going to belabor the point

Like, you'd have bigger squads shooting or not shooting a boss at the same time??

Or doing a puzzle so you can reach a boss?

The issue is that people are caught up on Warframe

[hearty pendant]

38.5.6, little bit before yareli prime

[vestal wedge]

really hope the update old bounties with better standing, love that newer areas have better standing.
though deimoes isnt to bad i think ?
need like 2 bounties for daily standing cap

[wild wind]

The solution isn't to get any specific new content, it's to step away for a year and refresh

[wide elk]

that and the many that are, are usually over modded veterans that usually aren't toxic but say "new content too easy"

just take a decade hiatus and come back

[hearty pendant]

entrati family are pretty easy to get standing for
easier soon lol
but yea cetus and fortuna could use a little touch up

[wild wind]

right that too

[serene laurel]

That's half the problem.
The game thrives on "Returning Players" rather than having engaging content that would keep a larger and more consistent player-base

[wild wind]

raids aren't.... exactly engaging content

Assuming that's what you mean?

[serene laurel]

I feel like a raid would be arguably more engaging than an EDA run

[wild wind]

Like, just referencing what my (ex) Destiny 2 playing friends tell me, people don't run Destiny 2 raids

because they're boring

[wide elk]

I just wish they'd make more use of the resources you collect, it could help RESEARCH and probably fortify the settlements. idk, something to make the player feel more attached to them. They don't really feel that good otherwise as its a "go here, do quest, leave" lol

[zenith jacinth]

It'd be the same

[serene laurel]

And that's a problem with development, not with the concept of raids itself

[wide elk]

raids had SEVERE network issues lol

all around buggimess that could not be fixed due to bigger updates always incoming

[wild wind]

It's not even that

[hearty pendant]

and you would be trusting the developers who "can't make engaging content" to make engaging raids?

[zenith jacinth]

In any game with raids ppl only ever run them for equipment, not for enjoyment