spoiler-chat

[celest hollow]

supposedly

[fierce kiln]

still room for a 4th

[celest hollow]

knowing De they might change it up and tweak that ui

[tropic venture]

My mind was comparing it to Transcendence so much I just placed it in the 5th slot even tho that wouldn't work

[celest hollow]

transference?

[tropic venture]

Transcendence is the void beam recharge ult you have before The War Within

Transference replaces it

[celest hollow]

oh thats a throwback

[tropic venture]

Tauron Strikes are on a cooldown so they're quite similar

especially Zenurik

[cerulean kiln]

Do we know the cooldown length yet?

[uncut solar]

Stats in the modding menu had charge generation

I assume it's gonna be moddable and different per weapon

[tropic venture]

or tied to one of the nodes

[uncut solar]

Or all of it at the same time

[celest hollow]

or reducable with operator kills?

[uncut solar]

And even that on top

[solid otter]

Thats a nice word

Transcendence

[balmy storm]

They are moddable yes

5 mod slots
1 arcane slots
Whole new set of mods and arcanes for them

[wild wind]

It's funny that the regalia mods use the classic polarities but different (eg the original) symbols

[tropic venture]

yep

At least now Unairu will get more than like 3 mods...

[frozen knoll]

someone can tell me when on one update hv a ivara's protoframe dropped?

[tropic venture]

No more Protoframes are known or even mentioned to be in the works

[cerulean kiln]

The opposite was said actually

DE said they aren’t adding any more unless it makes sense to add them

[tropic venture]

That is what I said, yeah

No more protoframes are known to be in the works

[cerulean kiln]

Can’t see why Ivara would make sense to be added tbh

[tropic venture]

I'm guessing they just like Ivara

[uncut solar]

shes old

and unique

and frog

[proper birch]

my ahh is so conflicted between staying loyal to lettie or folding to Marie like the rest of the community

it's so joever

[cerulean kiln]

Do both

[proper birch]

wait that's an option?

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[proper birch]

i assumed it was gonna be like the Hex where you can only date one at a time

[cerulean kiln]

Steve said it isn’t cheating cuz time travel

[thick jolt]

Iirc they said you could have a consent convo with your 1999 partner didnt they?

Or was that just them spitballing as usual

[proper birch]

I hope it's like actually handled with consent because I know they're not real but my ass is not built for two timing if both don't consent

[cerulean kiln]

Dunno about a consent convo

[thick jolt]

Same

[proper birch]

so like uhh

I know they're not real

but I would still feel awful for lying to them like that

[thick jolt]

More emotional maturity than a lot of people out there

[cerulean kiln]

I think the current logic in De’s mind is assuming the 1899 thing is still canon then the Hex haven’t been born yet so it isn’t cheating so you can date both

[proper birch]

welp

guess I'm just friends with Marie then

[thick jolt]

Hope writing team rectifies that

[proper birch]

we'll see in like

11 days

ig

[thick jolt]

Ye

[cerulean kiln]

Polycouple in my Warframe game

[proper birch]

imagine telling someone from like

3 years ago

"so yeah there's a dating sim now"

2022 was like, Veilbreaker or something, yeah?

or was that far enough back that like AotZ was the newest thing?

[cerulean kiln]

I’m gonna do that rn

I know a person who hasn’t played in a while and recently returned

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah that should be veilbronker

I

How did I typo that hard

[undone lodge]

Lettie might not let it anyway because she has a thing she says about not being a swinger but she probably will

[proper birch]

I also vaguely remember that in a conversation somewhere

but I can also see people getting mad about that and rather than being like "well I guess then I'll choose" whinging about it so they may have pre-emptively written

"usually no, but for you oh special player character you, I will change"

[proper birch]

cool I'm not crazy

I do kinda hope they make that a hard line for her, it'd seem less true to the character if she just was like "fine, I guess you are my little pogchamp, go for it"

It's been a while since I've done her KIM conversations but she's pretty slow to open up to you and her being like "Oh? This random nun/orokin/reverend from some other time period? You want to bring them into this? Sure." would feel... weird.

[undone lodge]

Lettie reading her SO’s text asking if she’d be okay sharing them with a member of those evil aristocrats with a god complex they told her about

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[proper birch]

lettie's one comment when she's hanging out in your backroom about "Hey, did you loop us? How many times did it take for.... nevermind, I don't wanna know" or whatever has made me not want to make them forget, and Lettie has maintained her memories since the update dropped, I just looped the roundtable once because I messed up getting Vel and Minerva back together

so yeah the more I'm looking back through my convos with Lettie the less it seems like she'd be open to it

more homies ftw

I do hope they expand on the Hex at somepoint, more KIM convos, more comments when they hang out in your Backroom, maybe taking them on dates like you apparently will be able to with the Devil's Triad

I love Lettie and her beef with Kalymos/one of my three kavats but I've also been hearing about it for 5ever

[uncut solar]

Kinda sad that we canonically loop and make people forget stuff a shitton of times offscreen

[balmy storm]

Consent convos are coming iirc but ig they’re optional :p

I wanna say they brought it up in a recent devshort but I’m unsure and Idk if I can check atm

[hearty pendant]

it might've been in the tactical potato interview?

[balmy storm]

It was yes

31 mins in

https://youtu.be/C0p5kJMGAWk?si=9Bn-ZQSg-ZsGq-Y6

I just hope that the protos can say no, iirc Lettie isn’t poly at all so “convincing” her is uh. Idk bout that-
Yes it would suck to be locked behind it cause one proto says no but the whole point of the “consent mechanic” is to be respectful and talk with your partner before adding a third

[quick mica]

Okay maybe I the confused one but you aren't really dating 2 different people at the same time right? It feels like gameplay wise but Drifter lives their life in 1999 and then also lives a life in xx99.
Or can, or is, Drifter actually pop back and forth from 1999 to present and then back?

Honestly I'm still unsure how the 1999 time loop works

[hearty pendant]

drifter can go wherever whenever, really
they're not stuck in 1999 or xx99

[flat tree]

[proper birch]

The implication I've gotten is we're able to quasi-freely leave and return to 1999 as we please.

Kaya's whole KIM line doesn't make sense if we're equally stuck there as she is.

[balmy storm]

We’re not stuck in 1999 lol

[quick mica]

I just figured it was like not easy to blip between for some reason. Guess just in my head.

[balmy storm]

So it’s weird but, yes we’d be dating 2 people at the same time but they’re separated by time instead of distance
The loop still happens and resets even without the Drifter there in gameplay and that’s likely how it works lore-wise so while the Drifter is elsewhere 1999 is still happening
So
It’s still cheating

[proper birch]

so it would stand to reason we could do the same to/from xx99

So we can jump from Origin System, 1999, and xx99

and like, TECHNICALLY

we wouldn't be dating them at the same time

from their perspective

but from our perspective we sure as hell are

and that's were my issue arises

[balmy storm]

It is in fact very easy, the Drifter utilizes transference and the infestation to time travel

[quick mica]

Oh is that why the POM is semi-infested?

[balmy storm]

From their perspective we would be too, with time travel years become more like places rather than just years in time

[balmy storm]

No

[proper birch]

I am a little foggy on how we're so easily capable of Time Travel, it seemed like Albrecht had to put in a lot of work into doing it yet we just yeet ourselves across time [And space?] at the drop of a hat.

but also Void Magic and the infestation is time agnostic???? convos with Flare/Lizzie imply something to the effect

[balmy storm]

Albrecht did it the long way and helped to establish a link, we further establish it in Lotus Eaters
We utilize the connection of the vessels, the infestation’s relationship with time and transference

[quick mica]

Yeah lizzie talks about existing (time neutral)

[balmy storm]

Which like
It probably wasn’t even long for Albrecht, just not as easy since he had to work from the ground up :p

We just used his vessel’s connections and transference essentially

[flat tree]

How many vessels did Albrecht even make? Why so many?

[balmy storm]

Anyway
It’s cheating, doesn’t matter if they’re in different times cause time doesn’t hold the same meaning when you can access multiple points in history.

[quick mica]

Yeah also some people have said we are "remembering" our time in 1999 so I figured it was kind of like locked in but the loop was just for gameplay and such.

[balmy storm]

Unknown, likely as many as there are protos but we don’t really know

[hearty pendant]

that would be odd
we are remembering the Old Peace, but we're actively in 1999

[flat tree]

There are different vessels in the labs which i can guess resembles a few of the protos but with how large his labs are why did he need THAT MANY

[balmy storm]

I really doubt the Hex just pause when the Drifter leaves, time doesn’t just stop lol

[quick mica]

I mean it depends on how you time travel lol

[balmy storm]

He made them to fight Wally and his whole thing is he’s scared so

[balmy storm]

I mean kinda but not really

[proper birch]

but also our memory is like, cooked ostensibly?

We need to link up to Lotus to recall most of it and Loid seems incredulous about the veracity of our memories.

[balmy storm]

If you time travel out from a year time would continue, but you can jump back to a second after you left
But that isn’t whats happening here

[hearty pendant]

our memory has been messed with many times
margulis, lotus, wally? i guess?

[flat tree]

I mean to be fair we can already have some messed up implications with the whole techrot overload thing

[balmy storm]

For 1999 we’re going to the actual past
For Old Peace we’re unlocking traumatic memories sealed away using a system Margulis made (hence why she jumpscares us and why Lotus can unlock it)

[balmy storm]

Margulis and the Orokin
Lotus didn’t seal any memories afaik, maybe she did instead of the Orokin for the Old Peace but idk
And Wally hasn’t messed with our memories afaik?

[proper birch]

but also in the Devstream we hear lotus say something something about the Indifference having an interest in our memories too and I'm lowk kinda confused why

[balmy storm]

From what I recall from the stream we are fighting to keep these memories so Wally can’t have them or something?

[balmy storm]

He’s likely looking for his finger

And since Tau is where we’re going it stands to reason it may be there

[proper birch]

ah

[balmy storm]

Also like
He is going to just get that finger

There’s no way he doesn’t lol
Chekov’s finger

[proper birch]

and then we beat him with the power of friendship or someth idk

[hearty pendant]

the intro dialogue for the perita rebellion stuff has something about the indifference taking them
would have to rewatch to be sure
i think lotus would've sealed away the 'you're actually human lmao' bit when putting us into stasis after the collapse. was w/ the second dream tech that margulis was involved with though

[balmy storm]

We know love is the poison to his plan and that we have to stop his fragmented from tethering any strands of khra

[proper birch]

I'm also kinda confused why like, he doesn't just take back the powers he gave us back on the Zariman

We are obviously going against his desires, and without void powers we sure are just like, a teenager/however old Drifter is.

unless he's equally bound by the deal as we are

[balmy storm]

We’ve only recently gone against his wishes
Also he may not be able to take it back

[quick mica]

Or it is easier to open the box than close it

[balmy storm]

He can’t even get his own finger back, how is he supposed to take a piece of him within the tenno that we may have made our own

Also we have just straight up gone against the deal cause he added more stuff to it
But
We still technically owe him, what? We don’t really know

[proper birch]

well I assumed the primary issue with him reclaiming his finger is he can't find it

Judging by the fact he still manifests in my orbiter/backroom occasionally, I get the sense he always has an idea as to where we are.

also did we lowk cook Albrecht's plan to hide in 1999 by following him or was the Indifference already there and we were sent to help him after which he shot us in the chest. Still kinda bitter about that even though I understand why.

[balmy storm]

He knows where we are cause we have a piece of him

Also no, we didn’t cook his plan

[proper birch]

Understanding the timeline of how long was Albrecht there -> when did the murmur/Wally get there -> when did we get there relative to that is a little challenging

[balmy storm]

He didnt shoot us out of malicious intent

[proper birch]

well the murmur aren't in 1999

[balmy storm]

They are actually

[proper birch]

but wally wearing Rusalka's skin- oh

[balmy storm]

They show up during the quest and in temporal archimedia

It’s thought that the arg led up to Wally being able to reach Neci and then he used her further, hollowing her out and spouting lies about Albrecht

[proper birch]

I forgot about that and I haven't played temporal archimedea in a minute because it frustrates me and I don't have a squad to run it with

[balmy storm]

I run public and it sometimes goes well

It’s a gamble lol

[hearty pendant]

i either run public or i don't run it

[balmy storm]

During the 1999 quest we get there, Wally takes control of the loop and by the end we take control back cause we booted him

Then we stay in 1999 to save the Hex, knowing and loving them gives us a weapon against Wally

[tight pagoda]

The Murmur shows up at the very end of the Hex quest too, in the Reactor as Arthur

[proper birch]

OH

okay

I knew the murmur showed up when we were on the Zariman/watching the Hex die, I didn't remember seeing them in Hollvania proper.

[balmy storm]

They were in the reactor

[hearty pendant]

they're kinda overshadowed by the babau

[balmy storm]

Also Neci disappears from 1999 too which helped us take it back too lol

NeciWally is mad we took 1999 and takes Duviri, where we promptly boot them again

[proper birch]

So Neci/Wally are presently in Duviri, yeah?

[tight pagoda]

Eh we seem to have kicked them out

[balmy storm]

We boot them so

[tight pagoda]

Even though we replay the mission, it's implied Isleweaver was a one-and-done thing

[proper birch]

Wally's batting average against us is not great

[balmy storm]

They’re there for gameplay but we cut their strand and they’re out

[hearty pendant]

they're no longer an active threat to duviri but we haven't had activity from them since

[tight pagoda]

Just as a result of there not being any content set since then

[balmy storm]

And we won’t til next year, probably

[proper birch]

unless Wallace is somehow involved in Old Peace which I doubt

[hearty pendant]

maybe a little hint in old peace but nothing big until later, yeah

[proper birch]

wally

autocorrect

[balmy storm]

Keep in mind Old Peace takes place at the same time as 1999

[proper birch]

oh wait duh this is what Op is doing while Drifter is 1999'ing

[balmy storm]

Yup!

[proper birch]

man we're making friends and finding love and Operator gets to have more trauma

kid deserves a break

[tight pagoda]

For Old Peace I'm expecting him to show up, at max, like he does in the 1999 Whispers segment in the subway car

Something you have to go out of your way to find

[quick mica]

No rest for the void devil

[steep totem]

Nay!
Wallace sounds like a wonderfully appropriate misnaming

[tight pagoda]

Wally does seem to be taking our memories or something?

[proper birch]

I guess we spent centuries[?] dying on repeat in Duviri so maybe we earned a little R&R.

Unclear on how long Drifter actually was in Duviri, tbh

[hearty pendant]

bringing back this comment i stole from vinny

[proper birch]

They imply it was rather long in KIM conversations, and my understanding is the Spirals are reflections of our reaction to being stuck there before we just kinda became numb to all of it, so we were there for a while.

[tight pagoda]

No Godamn clue as to why I can't go above 480p in the VOD but Lotus says "Reclaim your memories from the Indifference" after loading into the Perita mission

[hearty pendant]

that is an incredibly crunchy image, thanks vod

[tight pagoda]

Seriously wtf YouTube

[quick mica]

Sometimes I wish I didn't choose Lotus at the end of the quest, feels so default at times. Maybe give them a color change.

[proper birch]

Lotus just felt the most right towards who she was post New War, though I do have some neato colors running to make her more distinct than her early game look. Purples, blues, some silver/white accenting.

[flat tree]

Reclaim your pixels from the Indifference

[steep totem]

Can always invest some plat into a different skin
Margulis and Natah are available for purchase

[tight pagoda]

I personally run Eidolon Lotus the most, myself

[uncut solar]

"where are my pixels, kiddo?"

[quick mica]

If you skin them to be Natah is their name still Lotus (if you picked Lotus)

Also I don't want to spend plat on fashion til 30

[steep totem]

Eeyup
Name is permanent

[proper birch]

i don't particularly want to skin space mom tbh

[steep totem]

Fair

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/youll-get-your-rent-when-you-fix-this-damn-door-rent-fix-tobey-maguire-gif-15185504

You'll get your finger when you GIVE ME MY DAMN PIXELS

[proper birch]

I gotta hand it to the Rebellion, they sure know all the stuff Tenno are capable of and still rock up with the "nah, I'd win"

[hearty pendant]

i mean, they do seem to have 6 primes on their side at least
-# ignoring the 'all an orokin plot' possibility for a moment

[proper birch]

I guess they somehow have Warframes on their side???? But still, absolute chad behavior even if they are gonna get absolutely dunked on.

[tight pagoda]

The "Somehow" is that they've comandeered them.

How, you ask?

ASCARIS PRIMES

[hearty pendant]

oh.

hm.

[flat tree]

CAPTAIN VOR WASN'T AN IDIOT

THE GRINEER AREN'T TOTAL DUMBASSES

[proper birch]

I'm curious if it's like an Alad V/mesa situation where it's not really piloted by a Tenno, or if there are some dissident Tenno around, or if they're just like, warframes sans any operator that haven't gone mad yet?

[hearty pendant]

wait do we see if that ember drops anything in the demo

does it drop an ascaris prime

[uncut solar]

They grabbed ascaris, hijacked the warframes and went to rebel

[flat tree]

Probably infested

Remember Alad V skinned Valkyr Alive and made Zanuka

[hearty pendant]

although if the youtube vod is in 480p max rn you probably can't tell lmao

[proper birch]

though tbh the original Warframes before they were piloted by tenno may not have gone crazy and rather just like, didn't like the Orokin so started killing them. We do hear most of the history through the lips of Ballas who is somewhat..... biased in these matters.

[quick mica]

Not watching the dev streams makes images like this very exciting lol

[hearty pendant]

bit of both, according to kullervo's crimes

[tight pagoda]

So there's definitely an Ascaris Prime resource and it doesn't seem like a very common drop, since you only need 1 to unlock this skill, so it makes sense if it's just one per Comandeered Warframe boss battle

[hearty pendant]

yeah that's what i was thinking
if the ember dropped one it would be confirmation, but idk if it was shown

[tight pagoda]

Nope, just checked, there was no loot pick-up after defeating Ember

[proper birch]

Because the lore implication is that there were warframes that did stuff before we were their pilots, yeah? I guess I can also ask this in lore chat but when the Leverian talks about things that Gauss did, that was Gauss, not like, a Tenno who had an OTP?

[tight pagoda]

it might be an end-of-mission thing

[proper birch]

I was about to say

might be like fate pearls at the end of shrine defense

[hearty pendant]

possibly, yeah. seems a good possibility that it was hidden for that section as well, though

[tight pagoda]

But like it's not an entirely unreasonable assumption to make that "1 comandeered Warframe drops 1 Ascaris Prime"

Until we're told otherwise that's what I'll believe

[hearty pendant]

the leverians are super unclear, because drusus doesn't seem to know the difference
the only one that's 100% a tenno is voruna iirc

[proper birch]

Wonder what the max velocity for getting orders done is.

And if it's just like every three orders is one Commandeered Prime or if it's just half the time limit?

[tight pagoda]

Nezha too, maybe, just because there's some lines about "why would he be so eager to save children"?

So it feels like it's meant to be foreshadowing

[proper birch]

we'll find out in a bit

I'm just impatient

Haven't been this pumped for a Warframe update since like

1999

[hearty pendant]

gauss n grendel are leaning more towards tenno due to the time period n motives

[proper birch]

which I guess makes sense because that was the last like, Major update that added a bunch of stuff

[flat tree]

The fun duo

No seriousness
Pure silly

[proper birch]

the others are cool but I'm hella hype for Vinquibus and Uriel

gun that goes ping

and also more lore

[hearty pendant]

both are good possibilties.
it seemed linked to the order completion but i'm not sure if that just coincided with the timer

[proper birch]

Trying to figure out who's gonna be the best for slamming orders as fast as possible

[uncut solar]

Vinquibus is actually a psyop to force people to stop using Praedos

But you all aren't ready to realize that

[proper birch]

controversial opinion

I don't really care for the praedos

[uncut solar]

Same tbh

But a lot of people do

[hearty pendant]

guns with the reload ping are incredible. trumna is great, but vinquibus is fantastic

[proper birch]

it's cool

it does good numbers

but I'd rather use like

Tonkatt

or Vitrica

or a glaive

[uncut solar]

A lot a lot

[uncut solar]

It's not about damage though?

It's about the movement boost it gives

[proper birch]

oh that too

[uncut solar]

People don't use Praedos for numbers, it's for stacking the passive movement buffs

Since they don't need incarnon active

[quick mica]

I just think the Praedos look goofy on your back, so I don't use

[proper birch]

I just like the feel of other weapons

gunsen prime my beloved

heck I be forcing the staticor to work way past when I shoulda sold it just bc I think it's cool

[hearty pendant]

valid
my biggest gripe with tenet exec is how much it clashes with my fashions
but i like seeing other melees ! so i don't disable it

[proper birch]

also been a big Edun enjoyer lately

[uncut solar]

I just hide all weapons lol

(and I also don't use Praedos)

[tight pagoda]

It's insane this game is free

I mean granted I've spent like 6000 on it but whatever

[proper birch]

I don't even wanna know the $amount I've spent on this game

I justify it because I'm like "well, I didn't pay anything for this game and it's like, one of my two hobbies, and also I should give DE a little someth someth for 1200+ hours in this game"

and then I play more

and then I'm like "well, why shouldn't I?"

I'd be surprised if it was less than like 4k at this point

because my ahh sure does say "I'm just gonna outright buy the new warframe bundle, then I'll grind the second for Helminth" every time a new warf drops.

I don't typically get Prime Access, but the operator drip for Caliban prime access was too clean so I did shell out for that.

[tight pagoda]

I spent maybe $120 AUD on just platinum, around $80 on some packs, $150 on Caliban Prime Access (for the Operator drip too lmao), then the rest of those expenses are TennoCon

It helps I now have a job

Frankly I should just ask my manager to pay me directly in plat now

[hearty pendant]

that would be against tos /s

[balmy storm]

I justify most of my purchases cause DE cares about their game and their community

[proper birch]

That too. I don't feel like any of the monetization is explicitly predatory. I don't feel like I must put money into the game so I'm weirdly more willing to

[steady abyss]

All I really go with is Regal Aya (+Digital Tennocon)
Can add more to my Prime Noggle collection and get prime accessories at a discount compared to release.

[proper birch]

I know I'm buying

the Uriel Pack
Marie Gemini
Roathe Gemini
Father Allard Gemini[I already forgot his name]

on Dec 10th at 10AM CST or whenever the update drops

but that's because I have a tradition and also I like Gemini skins for frames I use and I'm a big Harrow and Wisp enjoyer and I can't see myself not liking Uriel

though I will say I picked up Nyx almost entirely because Eleanor existed

didn't play her much before that

[hearty pendant]

father lyon allard
-# ironic that you've forgotten his first name and i never remember his last

[steady abyss]

When it comes to anything regarding plat, I do trade for that.
I do keep buying what is available in the market.

But I just mean with real money, I keep it limited to only things not buyable with plat.

[proper birch]

i rememeber his last name because he shares a last name with the priest at the catholic church my parents go to

🎶 it's a small world after all 🎶

[proper birch]

I try to grind a plurality of the platinum I spend but also sometimes I'm lazy and realize my 9-5 is the most effective platinum grind I have access to

[uncut solar]

Well I remember Entrati

What's his name

Abgrebght

[proper birch]

Albrecht

Unless you mean his grandchildren

[uncut solar]

Algdregbhthpt

[hearty pendant]

yeah close enough

[steady abyss]

I've done a lot of trading in the time I've played the game, so... I haven't had to worry about needing plat in a long time. 😉

[uncut solar]

I also do that but I also buy a lot of garbage

So I'm sitting on 200p permanenly

[proper birch]

see I have been getting some of my friends[3 now] into the game and been giving them a care package of 8 warf slots, 12 weapon slots, and a frame I think they'd like

so my platinum reserves are largely depleted

I sold a riven way back when for like 4k platinum and thought I'd be set for life.

I was wrong.

[steady abyss]

this is the common message I see in the game's store 😛

[proper birch]

I should get back into the riven grind

especially since I have like a million spare riven slots after hitting 30

because I had like, 5 were rivens that for personal use and then the rest went to trading

I SWEAR THEY'RE LISTENING

they heard me being like "man I'm kinda low on plat"

[uncut solar]

Can you gift me harrow reliquary then pls, I don't even play him but the packaged customization is so good

[proper birch]

man I lowk kinda wish trinity wasn't powercrept in like, 99% of her usecases by someone else

I love Trinity, she's been a reliable part of my arsenal for years, but trying to justify using her over Wisp/Citrine/Nokko is sometimes kinda rough

beyond just "I like trinity"

[steady abyss]

Just do some trading.
One thing I did early on when I was more limited on plat was to buy up sets in parts, then resell as a complete pack.
Would make some nice net profit.

[uncut solar]

I like the way she looks

[uncut solar]

Oh yeah that's what I'm doing

I usually do it if I have at least one part of the set though

Otherwise the net gain is miniscule usually

[steady abyss]

Another thing to do is to jump on the new prime whenever it's live.
Too many people want it asap, so even the lowest price for a common part can be 80p.'

[proper birch]

that was gonna be my suggestion too

[uncut solar]

Yeah, I was joking about the reliquary

I have the plat, I just also have bad spending habits

[proper birch]

I am saving up standing/steel essence so I can just rip as many relic packs as humanly possible once Gyre drops and cash in on that sweet sweet new prime plat

and maybe farm one out for myself

[steady abyss]

Sell the first batch, wait a month or two and buy it for 1% of what you were selling it for 😄

Though keeping the part that requires argon and having that made because f that farm, lol

[proper birch]

argon crystals are like the one resource I don't have in oodles and it's always mildly irritating

just let me keep them forever DE, aaagh

[steady abyss]

yep, I always target to making the item that needs it first

just to not have to worry about it

[proper birch]

idk just leme cast xata's whisper on them 1 million times and then they stay around forever

[steady abyss]

Or even Limbo's banish. Technically should be doable.

[proper birch]

limbos banish makes more sense

i couldn't remember the other void-affiliated frame

limbo is the one frame I genuinely can't wrap my head around

[uncut solar]

Banish isn't void affiliated

Limbo's rift is between the planes

Doesn't touch the void

[steady abyss]

True.

[uncut solar]

Xaku should eat argon

[dry cove]

I wasn't sure since I didn't see the whole devstream but I keep hearing that the Devil's Triad exist in a separate timeline from the main and 1999 ones. Since they're romanceable, can you romance one of them w/o breaking up with our Hex LI?

[obtuse gyro]

same timeline

different time

[hearty pendant]

separate point in time, not another timeline
but yes, there's consent convos w/ the hex too

[obtuse gyro]

sign the consent form to make your own triad

[dry cove]

Ohhh, ok.

[dry cove]

Wait, so they could be cool with us romancing one of the triad?!

[hearty pendant]

yeah
some will probably be ok with it, some probably won't

[dry cove]

Yeah that's understandable. Arthur will always be my no. 1, but I can't help but be curious about Roathe.

[pastel pasture]

it's not cheating because he wasn't born yet

[hearty pendant]

when you can navigate time like physical space, that doesn't matter

[supple dagger]

If the old peace is just a fake memory from lotus (We never been on Tau otherwise we wouldn't be tenno because the jump successfully work) Does that mean that every frame coming out of it were made by Lotus herself?

[flat tree]

No the sentients built their own Solar Rail using the power of the void

[shadow forum]

hm where did they made that solar rail.

[flat tree]

During the old war there was a truce between sentients and the orokin that lead to the old peace that was broken leading to its continuation

[hearty pendant]

the sentients' whole purpose was going to tau the Long Way and building the rail as they went

[shadow forum]

but who made sentients

[hearty pendant]

.. the orokin

[supple dagger]

then why sending tenno on tau? Why showing your weakness to your soon to be enemies?

[flat tree]

It was a truce

[hearty pendant]

they were already enemies, there was a peace treaty

[supple dagger]

we're talking about the orokins.

[flat tree]

It was a truce between the sentients and the orokin during the old war

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349408407345434642/1444175651342127244/G5J4BvRWEAAG_Ni.gif

[shadow forum]

[flat tree]

they thought they'd be at peace

[hearty pendant]

yes. there was a war, adis and the operator mention it in the gameplay demo, and there is (at that time) peace

[supple dagger]

Orokin were gonna break that truce anyway... they are orokin afterall

[hearty pendant]

possibly. but they wouldn't let anyone else know that

[bronze helm]

Moving this question over here: Does anyone know why the Invictus Signa can't be used on the drifter?

[shadow forum]

Yo calm down, we don't know yet the beginning of the story yet.

[flat tree]

Wait til the old peace

[shadow forum]

So 11 days left until old peace.

[supple dagger]

and didn't loid say that Lotus was transfering fake memories to us during the demo?

[hearty pendant]

probably bugged, if i had to guess. will likely get fixed when old peace launches, yes

[supple dagger]

memories that was remade by Ballas when he captured her

[shadow forum]

Yep, even lotus said don't mourn,when she gets changed.

[hearty pendant]

loid said "polluted memories"
we still don't know why he said that, but we know it is the actual memories, as we have caliban prime as evidence that the old peace happened

[bronze helm]

Sounds cheerio, thanks folks.

[shadow forum]

After she lose her mind.

[flat tree]

probably something that has to do with the "Reclaim your memories from the indifference" or something

[shadow forum]

What would happen if the bring the finger back to a guy in the wall.

[hearty pendant]

lotus/natah may not have even existed at the time of the old peace. she's unlocking our memories, not giving us her own

[flat tree]

He'd not be stuck to the void

[shadow forum]

Orokin and entrati with their crazy decisions to make void usable for many things as travel .

[flat tree]

Look its either hard sci fi or void

We're going void

[bronze helm]

Conversation with Aoi indicates that the running hypothesis in-world is that keeping the finger away from TMITW is what binds it to Linear Time. That is, if TMITW had its finger back, it could time travel & like, mess up the timeline real bad.

[supple dagger]

wait so if the sentient made a rail on Tau (ignoring the whole war thing) Why building the Zariman then?

[hearty pendant]

orokin got impatient. didn't want to wait for the sentients to finish the rail

[lapis seal]

the Zariman was an attempt to jump from point a to point b immediately, instead of waiting for the Sentients to arrive

Zariman was sent after the Sentients launched, but before they arrived in Tau

[supple dagger]

they couldn't wait a year - week?

the Tenno are still kids in these memories.

[lapis seal]

the Sentients have to travel the old fashioned way, it would have been decades if not centuries

[flat tree]

You know, I wonder how many times the timeline almost ended without a specific coincidence like Eurala closing the portal a bit too early

[hearty pendant]

the sentients had to go there through normal travel. it took a while

[shadow forum]

so we get a focused system and that weekly dungeon is the one we will do to bring focus for maxing.

[supple dagger]

yeah I get it, but the zariman accident happen right before the sentien made the ''rail''

[lapis seal]

the Zariman would have gone missing before the Sentients finished the rail

(I dont really see the confusion tbh?)

[hearty pendant]

the zariman was lost before the sentients made the rail, and it returned after
the children were still children then, and the gap between the zariman's return and the old peace is more reasonable

[supple dagger]

oh ok

[shadow forum]

wait that zariman ship was with parents back than.

They were humans, until the accident

[hearty pendant]

they were still humans

the parents were driven mad by the void and subsequently killed by their children

[flat tree]

What would happen if one of the Zariman kids was an orphan

What's wally gonna do?

[supple dagger]

Still make no sense to me why the Orokin would send tenno (Operator) on Tau for a truce? Showing the weakness of your best weapons against your adversary and giving them the opportunity to betray you with the help fo the sentient sound really dumb.

[lapis seal]

theyre all orphaned now, but it wasnt necessarily assigned 2 parents to 1 child

[shadow forum]

true still more important question is where did thst void appeared

[warm anvil]

it was a failed void jump

[lapis seal]

it was just chaos, everything that could move attacked anything else that did move

[shadow forum]

I'm more curious,when that failed void jump happened where did it first appeared in ship.

[hearty pendant]

they're probably still in the pods when they're not normally walking around, else there would be no reason for ballas to give hunhow the location in the vitruvian

[flat tree]

Could a staff member technically have survived?

Just hide the entire thing out in one of those compartments

[supple dagger]

holdfast?

[flat tree]

No those are dead people

The dead don't count

[steady abyss]

The originals are still dead too.

[hearty pendant]

the parents were first to go mad, but iirc it got to all of the adults eventually

something about isleweaver dialogue

[steady abyss]

It's just the void making a copy basically.

[lapis seal]

all the adults died, regardless of their roles, when the Orokin rediscovered the ghost ship, it was barren of all but the children

[flat tree]

Its a hypothetical

https://tenor.com/view/dormindo-deitado-com-sono-gif-17999835699219215846

[hearty pendant]

would've gone mad and either killed themselves or gotten killed

[shadow forum]

Hey when that happened did the archiemedean margulis came there too or that happened after they brought children.

[lapis seal]

turned into angels

[flat tree]

She saw the children when they returned and took pitty on them

[hearty pendant]

margulis was only involved after the zariman returned

[shadow forum]

so she lost eyes as in old peace was shown.

[lapis seal]

Margulis was almost certainly not part of actually exploring and rescuing what was left of the Zariman, but she cared for the Tenno after their recovery and protested the Orokins wishes to destroy them

[hearty pendant]

she was blinded by a tenno, yes
alluded to in second dream, chains of harrow, and old peace

[shadow forum]

Oh I hope we find out in old peace something about that

[flat tree]

Supposedly Rell did it

Supposedly

[hearty pendant]

chains dialogue points towards rell, isleweaver points towards us

[flat tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

Joint Effort

[hearty pendant]

but isleweaver is also vague enough that wally could mean you (collective) rather than you (singular)

[supple dagger]

The royal ''you''

[flat tree]

Okay hypothetically, grab nihil or maybe the corpus know how to make Cephalons, whatever just grab a cephalon making thing, steal a cloning facility from the Grineer, spawn a ton of Grineer, glass them, infinite cephalons

[supple dagger]

Corpus does have cephalon no?

for the Index and other stuff

[hearty pendant]

you could, ig. i do not know why you would cephalize a bunch of grineer, though

[flat tree]

Infinite cephalons just edit their precepts or something

[hearty pendant]

they own cephalons, unclear if they have the tech to make more

[flat tree]

I'd say probably not and just taking whatever cephalons they can find, Fortuna would've been preem to make more cephalons.

Maybe that's what happens with brain shelving

[supple dagger]

how many nuclear war was there btw? 18?

[hearty pendant]

at least 18 radiation wars

[supple dagger]

against the infested right?

[hearty pendant]

likely

[flat tree]

maybe maybe not

[flat tree]

I mean it could be humanity being humanity

[hearty pendant]

hmm. brain shelving might be a point towards them not knowing how to make more
a cephalon is more useful than a brain in a jar sitting on a shelf

[supple dagger]

I would have assume that the radiation war was (lua) vs infested earth

[flat tree]

No it was nukes

[supple dagger]

yeah with nukes

[flat tree]

No no I mean earth nuking itself

[supple dagger]

why would earth do that?/s

[hearty pendant]

the one KIM chat that mentions them implies its primarily against the infested
but it could absolutely involve other factions or squabbles

[flat tree]

Cause the infested ran out of control from Hollvania and to contain it, bombs

[lapis seal]

it would be Earth onto itself, unless somehow nuke bases were built on the moon and all the nukes from Earth just suddenly somehow mysteriously wiped out all traces of human civilization on Lua or something because otherwise with no atmosphere nothing would decay and by the rise of the Orokin Empire there would be significantly more information on Ancient Earth since it would kinda just be there on the moon

[supple dagger]

I thought radiation war was humanity on Lua bombarding earth with nukes in attempt to reclaim earth or prevent it to reach Lua

[flat tree]

Unknown when we got to Lua but that would be around the Orokin's power maybe

Thousands of years later

[lapis seal]

we know little about the wars, and nothing to really say humanity settled on Lua until the Orokin Era, long after the Wars

[supple dagger]

didn't humanity went on Lua to flee the technorot?

[flat tree]

No we nuked it

it was 1999

[hearty pendant]

not said anywhere tmk

[flat tree]

Spaceships in 1999 are kinda like

[lapis seal]

bad

[flat tree]

Rockets and shit

[supple dagger]

wait so earth didn't get completly infested by the infected? isn't saryn prime trailer about that?

[flat tree]

ooooh I think I know what you're talking about

[lapis seal]

-# Saryn is also thousands of years after the Radiation Wars

[hearty pendant]

it is, but that doesn't mean it was the first time that infestation was rampant on earth, or that it hadn't been culled before

[hearty pendant]

the radiation wars probably extended well into the orokin's proper reign, considering there's a zariman tablet about the 18th

[lapis seal]

not familiar with that one tbh, radiation takes a long time to disperse so I assumed there was a gap of survival before the Orokin era would actually become what we consider it now

[supple dagger]

I legit thought that 1999 happen ( the reactor explosion didn't work good enough on the infested) the infested went out of controll, Humanity went on lua in a attempt to escape the infested, rebuild humanity up here, bombarded earth from lua and started colonize the others planets in the meanwhile.

[flat tree]

The reactor wasn't enough and kicked off the first radiation war where other nations tried to nuke the Techrot out of existense

[hearty pendant]

the reactor explosion was used to power the timeloop iirc, and didn't happen in the "original" events nor the drifter-altered version

[flat tree]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-alien-cat-noted-noting-this-down-glorp-noting-this-down-gif-9671578544383486034

Noted

[hearty pendant]

we also don't know when the first radiation war is, just that the technocyte outbreak in hollvania eventually causes it

[obtuse gyro]

the way history pans out the reactor explosion doesnt happen and the infestation spreads

[obtuse gyro]

we know that the 1st and 18th was against the infestation, so its more likely that most if not all were against the infestation

[flat tree]

Humanity didn't end itself???

That's totally a humanity thing to do

[supple dagger]

at some point the earth must been unhabitable?

Earth has been long abandoned due to its toxic atmosphere. It is now overgrown with mutated jungle structures that have devoured most of the prior signs of civilization. Infestation and roaming wildlife still inhabit its surface but anything of value was stripped by scavengers generations ago.
—Earth Fragment

So earth did get unhabited, THEY DID WENT ON LUA TO BOMB IT

so now my question is, Do you think it took them 18 attemps to finally realize that nukes wont solve the problem of the infestation?

[hearty pendant]

probably just what worked best
i doubt they would go through 18 wars without trying to innovate

[supple dagger]

Must have been horrible, stranded on a moon, looking at earth completely overrun by technoflesh , having to hear Online on repeat 24/7

[obtuse gyro]

woah hold on there cowboy, why did you assume that this is in the same time period as the start of the first radiation wars

[echo basalt]

Not to mention how do you know the other 17 weren't just wars with nukes Involved

[obtuse gyro]

the 18th ended by destroying a hive cluster so

so unless theres more information that tells us that nukes were used against a target that wasnt the infestation...

[reef compass]

humanity did indeed leave for the stars most likely before radiation wars hit, there's not much known from what New Loka's quest tells us

they dont even know it was terraformed later and believed both flora and fauna were natural

then again, Orokin empire could have outright erased historic registries... after all, we ARE trying to piece together story now in The Old Peace

1999's nuke could have been a precedent so that Radiation Wars "solution" seemed more palatable though

[balmy storm]

We stop the reactor from blowing and the radiation wars happen anyway

It’s the techrot that likely causes them

[balmy storm]

Also Old Peace isn’t exploring that far back, only to the Old War which was during the Orokin Era

[solid otter]

Radwars need to happen, so the nuke has to be stopped.

[balmy storm]

Techrot gets out either way

[reef compass]

we dont know how much we might discover historically wise yet

and ofc, Radiation Wars happen, what I mean is that then authorities later see "oh, this reactor if it had exploded would have erased these things"

[balmy storm]

Radwars happen
Orokin take over
Orokin Era
Void Travel
Old War
Old Peace
Old War continued
Night of the Naga Drums
We sleep for ~1k years

[balmy storm]

Iirc some authorities were working with O.R.O.

[balmy storm]

I doubt it will be back to Old Earth since that was kinda 1999’s thing and Old Peace is more do about the Old War, something we’ve been needing more info on

[reef compass]

I just dont think it is Radiation Wars then travel the stars, that sounds like a rushed evacuation, so space travel imo comes before so that the loss of Earth doesnt sting so much and sounds viable

we might also discover stuff from the Triad btw, the XX99 is still a mystery

[obtuse gyro]

1899 lol

[balmy storm]

They didnt travel to the stars, like this is semantics ig but they traveled to other places within their own solar system

So to some extent they did have to terraform things
And we know the Orokin took the moon as their capital

[reef compass]

imo past sounds like the easy way out, when they could do a future thing in just an old building as a spin xD

[obtuse gyro]

theres a lil slipup where the website said 1899, but its always subject to change since they already rectified it on the website

[reef compass]

either way its kinda macabre that either past of future, as if we couple with them, either the 1999 is dead or those are

[balmy storm]

Well all the protos will die eventually

[reef compass]

well, both are, but once time travel to various places is a thing, these kinds of thing start to pop in one's mind, its not just "visit a room"

[balmy storm]

They all fully transform eventually

And since the Triad are def in the past and the Hex/Roundtable are in 1999 and we know there’s at least 18 radiation wars
Yeah they’re all dead
Except Temple for a good bit if you help them

[solid otter]

They all died, all before becoming a warframe (other than flare/temple)

[reef compass]

its not if you help or not, Temple will end up doing that either way

[balmy storm]

Outside the loop they would transform and then die

[solid otter]

Yuppers

[balmy storm]

No? They only go on the comet if you help them?

Each member has a good and bad ending
That’s Temple’s good ending

[reef compass]

I just dont see the Night of Naga Drums not starting with a big meteor crashing and some devilish rockstar starman making a whole musical declaration of the start of it

[solid otter]

Bad ending is the jumpscare by lizzie™

[balmy storm]

With Kaya’s help Flare hitches a ride on a comet and helps the Tenno during the Night of the Naga Drums

[balmy storm]

It only starts that way if we help them

[hearty pendant]

the night of naga drums starts with the drums

[balmy storm]

We know rewriting the past is possible, that’s what we have the chance to do

[reef compass]

how is the Temple strain born

[hearty pendant]

ballas designed it first, but never made it
its. in the email

[balmy storm]

Ballas, same as like 90% of the Warframes

[reef compass]

oh i know, i just imagine it that epic

[solid otter]

Because the bad endings are contained in the loop until you get the good one, basically.

We live in the reality where the drifter got the good ending to Flare's kimchats, the bad endings are contained within the loop as Flare never leaves

Same goes for the nuke

[solid otter]

Ballas never used it. Came from Flare themselves. Seemingly, Roathe is the same too.

Hold on gotta find it

[balmy storm]

Ballas made it, saw it as too rebellious, shelved it, Albrecht stole it, gave it to Flare, Flare becomes Temple, Flare as Temple helps the Tenno if the Drifter helps them

[reef compass]

I can believe that yeah it's just... ugh, kinda lame you know? xD if also the 1899 is confirmed and all, oh well

Eternalism also kinda messes up my thinking

it happens but it doesn't, but does ugh

[hearty pendant]

eh? eternalism generally shouldn't be applied
only theoretically accessible n all

[balmy storm]

It shouldn’t it’s not relevant

[balmy storm]

I mean that’s just what happens

Something's been nagging at me for a while. It started as a little thing, but it just wouldn't go away. How come the Temple Warframe has my name? How come they have a guitar called Lizzie, too?

Temple was my stage persona. The me I wanted to be. And Lizzie is unique. I couldn't figure it out.
Until you brought me and Lizzie together in harmony, and I finally understood.

This change that's happening in me? It can't be stopped. I'm going to transform completely one day.

And that's okay. Because the Warframe from your time - 'Temple' - it's me. One and the same. The Warframe that Ballas was too scared to build, because rebellion was built into its DNA.

You see, Drifter, I go where I'm needed. I stick it to the man in Ludston, Cemaria, Höllvania... and I know I need to do it in Pluto Terminus, too, many many years from now.
I mean, if the Technocyte Coda can survive to your time, why not me?

Kaya's helped me figure it all out. There's a comet that leaves the System and gets back just in time for the Tenno Insurrection. That's where I'll hibernate. Lizzie will make sure I don't oversleep.

When Octavia hits the beat and the drums kick in, I'll be there.

When Octavia hits the beat and the drums kick in, I'll be there.
Waiting in the sky, come back to join the children of the revolution.
See you!
Flare/Temple

[south fable]

Do you think theres a chance we will visit other cities in 1999?

[obtuse gyro]

Not great

[hearty pendant]

no big reason to imo
techrot's only in hollvania

[balmy storm]

We’re also consistently needed there

[reef compass]

I just thought that, whichever ending, it ended up with the Temple overtaking Flare

either friendly or not

[south fable]

Yeah, still I reckon I could make an excuse, not that we can really leave since it’s a time loop we need to maintain otherwise I assume everything implodes on itself

[balmy storm]

Yeah, they’re the same as all the other protos

[reef compass]

and then Lizzie/Helminth would do the comet thing either way

[balmy storm]

Well we don’t know that

[reef compass]

yeah >_<u we dont its just thats why i mentioned Eternalism but I guess its a stretch

[balmy storm]

It’s very unlikely cause Flare gets to the Comet with Kaya’s help

[reef compass]

as helminth connects anyway time wise

[balmy storm]

Eternalism doesn’t apply here-

Nothing is accessing eternalism

[reef compass]

isnt the infestation reaching though? outside the loop?

just to clarify

[balmy storm]

Wdym?

[hearty pendant]

temporal archimedea dialogue says its doing things in other timelines simultaneously, but it isn't crossing between them

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[solid otter]

https://www.digitalextremes.com/news/november-warframe-devstream-highlights
Found it

[balmy storm]

The infestation seems like a thing that will always happen

[reef compass]

as in its a stable thing to not cause a paradox just that but as we havent experienced the night of naga drums the possiblity of temple crashing down or not its still open yeah

[balmy storm]

No cause how are they getting there???

[reef compass]

we just know in good ending it happens

[balmy storm]

Flare got there WITH Kaya

[hearty pendant]

oh that seems odd.
was hoping we wouldn't get another one w/ the same format so soon. wonder how they'll explain that

[balmy storm]

They need her help to get there, to get to the comet so they can wait so they can help

[tight pagoda]

I hope they only do it for new ones

And yeah, less often

It starts feeling like a gimmick

[balmy storm]

Cyte:

[solid otter]

I am curious about that too. It is a interesting idea, Roathe influencing Uriel's own design and not the other way around.

[reef compass]

i guess thats how Kaya gets overtaken cause I dont see her staying in the past otherwise

[balmy storm]

I mean she can if she’s in the loop

[solid otter]

The protoframes as a whole are starting to feel like a gimmick.

[balmy storm]

The loop both exists and events continue, we don’t know if she can escape when outside of the loop

[solid otter]

I like them, just. The new ones feel forced and random

[reef compass]

yeah the protoframes are just... convenient <_<u

[balmy storm]

???

Wdym convenient?

[tight pagoda]

I'm not saying they do it for all the new ones, I'm just saying I don't want them to make pre-existing Warframes have Protoframe origins like Flare

Roathe's got time travel though

[reef compass]

they are written as a means to an end

[solid otter]

Tbf its only 1 other who has it

[balmy storm]

I mean they exist so the Drifter can have a connection

They both live as long as the loop does and will and have died

[solid otter]

I wouldn't say convenient

Id say it kinda feels like a cashgrab

[hearty pendant]

2/3 with 2 in a row though

[balmy storm]

A very well written cashgrab

[solid otter]

Yes, a well written one, but one nonetheless

[reef compass]

oof idk about that <_> I dont like at all the frost/saryn couple

[tight pagoda]

The Hex didn't feel as much of a Cashgrab as the Triad

Like yes, the gimmick is to sell skins, but it felt very natural

[balmy storm]

Subjective
Their story intertwines with Neci’s which has had more to it and may have more to come

[hearty pendant]

tbf with how popular the hex protos were, its no surprise that they keep making more

[tight pagoda]

But I don't care because I get to give DE money

[solid otter]

I just wish they added more hints for the new protos beforehand. Like with whispers we get to see Arthur and Aoi, see the hints and hear Albrecht mention them, but these new protos are just. Randomly there

[balmy storm]

Real

They do leave it open ended to if there are more

[hearty pendant]

the good part is that they're remaining well written characters, even if their existence isn't foreshadowed

[balmy storm]

And then we kinda just kept getting more lol

[solid otter]

True, but it feels so odd that Albrecht just. Forgets to mention he kidnapped a orokin 😭

[balmy storm]

I do hope they chill out for a bit with Protos unless they make them serve a further purpose
Which
They kinda are with the Triad!

[tight pagoda]

Well... hopefully they didn't phone it in for the Triad

[balmy storm]

The Triad seem like they fit well into the update and the current arc

[solid otter]

Like we know they write things in advance, but like. I aint getting none of that for the triad

[hearty pendant]

arthur has a chat asking if there are others, kaya asked about a protea proto, for two examples

[reef compass]

I dont think the Triad will have problems

the 3 seem well entwined

[tight pagoda]

Chat 1: "Hi it's me, French words yada yada, Hey drifter let's bang"

[solid otter]

No i think Roathe is gonna try and hurt someone

[tight pagoda]

Unironically peak if that's verbatim the chat

[balmy storm]

Oooo

[solid otter]

Scorned devil of a man

[balmy storm]

He probably wants to escape without his handlers handling him

And cause problems

[reef compass]

the 2nd batch is the one where them being a "group" didnt feel like, at all imo

[hearty pendant]

think roathe is the 21st floor of descendia?

[reef compass]

it was the couple, the rockstar and the one that didnt want at all to be there

there was no chemistry at all

[solid otter]

They aint really supposed to be all groupy and happy

[hearty pendant]

their link is that they're a bunch of protoframes that managed to find each other before hearing about the hex's mall hq
they aren't super tied together and that kinda seems like the point

[balmy storm]

They do feel more disconnected but they’re individually good in their own ways
Kaya with a lot of lore and her time travel storyline, showing there may be another way out of the loop
Flare and Lizzie with the infestation
And the Viral couple who connect to Neci who’s connected to our main villain atm

[solid otter]

Last floor, wonder if thats the "hi i hate Albrecht look at my burning Albrecht tubes" place

[obtuse gyro]

roundtable wussant even a team like the Hex

[reef compass]

its not that, the group of the hex was entwined, the others? barely, if you count mystery science investigation in archimedea as interaction x_x

[tight pagoda]

I'd like for Protoframes to have more dialogues between each other

Or like utilize the Group Chats

Instead of just chats for ranking up and then 1 for each of the Round table member

[balmy storm]

They felt like an almost rag tag family and also flare is there

[solid otter]

We might get a new gc in the update

[tight pagoda]

It seems confirmed

[solid otter]

Theyre the queer family member™

[reef compass]

I felt with the couple it made Drifter act in some ways I wouldn't at all (I know both endings) and some mentions like "using assets" felt really, idk, crass

[tight pagoda]

The joke with Drifter making suggestive comments about Neci is hit or miss, yeah

[solid otter]

Ehh, just a symbol. One that only really relates to the new protos by the fact its Albrecht's symbol, and its very different to the other individual chats

[solid otter]

Yeah, that's uh. Kinda the point of that design. Wally-neci even tries it on Albrecht lmao
-# cept Albrecht likes men and maybe tolerated 1 woman for a child

[tight pagoda]

The Triad don't have a syndicate themselves, so who knows? Maybe that 4th icon is actually a secret chat with Albrecht

[reef compass]

oh and that's fine, for Neci

[balmy storm]

We shouldn’t talk about their daughter like that to them

[solid otter]

Im hoping its a loidchat but like. On Albrecht account

[balmy storm]

I enjoyed some of their convos and helping their relationship

[reef compass]

ngl as I only do one lap I left them in bad ending and... I... dont feel BAD about it <_>

[solid otter]

Do we know they're her parents atp? I can't remember if they tell us straight up or not

[tight pagoda]

Not biologically

[solid otter]

Like yeah that was uncomfortable

[balmy storm]

Adoptive parents :p

[solid otter]

Yes I know

[tight pagoda]

They found her in a war-torn area

[balmy storm]

They’re still her parents

[tight pagoda]

Oh no that's like the third chat

[solid otter]

Whyd yall both assume i meant bio parents 😭

[hearty pendant]

iirc there's bits in that convo that hint towards it but the flat-out reveal is later

[tight pagoda]

Like three chats in max is when they tell you that Neci is their daughter I think

[balmy storm]

I figured you meant like
Being her parents too, which they are.

[tight pagoda]

And the "assets" thing is later

[balmy storm]

It’s like
Their whole thing, their relationship and their daughter

And we can help them with both

[solid otter]

Yeah i just simplified it to parents

Cuz they are! Just adoptive

[balmy storm]

We help their relationship, get the password, and let them know what’s up with Neci post-Isleweaver

[reef compass]

btw you dont tell them in bad ending

[flat tree]

So would Kuva work on an animal?

[balmy storm]

Yeah, that’s why I specified the password lol

[reef compass]

right, but the password still hasnt played a role right?

[solid otter]

Anyways, said line up. The eye feels so odd compared to the other ones

[balmy storm]

It works on anything with a consciousness ig

[tight pagoda]

It does if you find all Isleweaver fragments

[balmy storm]

It has
In Isleweaver

[hearty pendant]

the temple kuva from the unum affects them, i'd guess regular kuva does too

[reef compass]

but I picked also the fragments

maybe i am missing something xD

[hearty pendant]

fragments + good ending

[balmy storm]

It lets the Unum see through their eyes, so it connects them but not a full continuity

[tight pagoda]

All Isleweaver Fragments gives you an email with her hat and medal, as well as half the password

[flat tree]

So has anyone in lore attempted to use kuva on an animal or animal like being?

[balmy storm]

Did you get the good ending? Where you get the password

[reef compass]

no, but how do you "use" the password

[solid otter]

Which i put on my Kalymos. Kalymos deserves to have a hat.

[flat tree]

Cone

[balmy storm]

Sylvana used transference on a forest but that’s not continuity

[tight pagoda]

Once you have both halves of the password, you get another chat with them

[solid otter]

Cool hat from neci

[balmy storm]

You get it, you get the fragments, then you can message them

[reef compass]

yeah I know, but how does knowing that make you decide to start a chat it's what I mean

[balmy storm]

It’s an expansion of sorts to their good ending, letting them know what’s up with their daughter

[reef compass]

or its just "oh it happens"

[balmy storm]

Cause you get the other half of the password

[tight pagoda]

The chat becomes available automatically

[balmy storm]

Neci sends you a message iirc with it, her hat and her medal

[hearty pendant]

you get the other half of the password in the email from rusalka
it lines up, so you start another chat

[tight pagoda]

"Hey I went to Duviri and Wally was there with Neci, I did some digging and got a cryptic email from... someone?"

And then you tell them the password

[reef compass]

thats so weird that doesnt happen if you dont help them, why not get the message hinting at needing to help the parents or something?

[balmy storm]

Because you don’t have the password from them?

[tight pagoda]

Their profile in KIM tells you you messed up if you didn't help them

[reef compass]

still, why would Neci contact you

[balmy storm]

Knowing the password and getting the fragments unlocks Neci sending you the other half, which lets you talk to her parents

[tight pagoda]

That's the question kiddo

[balmy storm]

She loves her parents?

[tight pagoda]

But she sends it regardless because she's probably trying to get your help

Or her parents' help

[balmy storm]

If Wally has her and she loves her parents then that’s a weakness we can maybe, later exploit

[tight pagoda]

So regardless of the order you get them, it still makes sense

[flat tree]

It'd be mad funny if they let someone's body be possessed by some Norg

[reef compass]

precisely then! if she sent it in the bad ending that would be a "oh darn how do i talk to them now oh riiiight"

[balmy storm]

Fib’s partner

[solid otter]

Feel like i should post the whole thing on Roathe/Uriel.

So this is where we learn Roathe tried to overthrow or takeover the empire :D

[tight pagoda]

DE STOP

[solid otter]

Oh and we get Uriel from the descendia

[tight pagoda]

They said so in the Devstream, I'm curious what the rotations are

One part per week? Buy the BP from the market?

Kinda crazy if so

[balmy storm]

All 21 floors to get him

[solid otter]

If its one part per week I'll actually riot

[tight pagoda]

Kinda easy if so

[reef compass]

thats a little too much info perhaps lol

[balmy storm]

I’ll never complain about easy

[tight pagoda]

Oh especially after Nokko

[hearty pendant]

the email just has the other half of the password + decor connecting to Neci
it means nothing to anyone w/o the first half i think

[balmy storm]

Nokko is so easy

[reef compass]

I know, but it would make people with bad ending think and then reset

[solid otter]

I mean, its on the site, so they felt it was okay

[balmy storm]

That’s a good thing?

[hearty pendant]

i'm not sure it would?
i'd just guess it was a little reward for collecting the fragments, not that it was related to a chat

[balmy storm]

If it makes you reset to get their good ending that’s okay

[solid otter]

You're supposed to get the good ending aint you

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[reef compass]

yeah, like Lizzie telling you that better luck next try (basically)

[balmy storm]

The good endings are likely the canon ones

But also both could be really

[reef compass]

if I had that message from Neci that definitely would make me reset, I dont, so I am not gonna xD

[balmy storm]

It’s just the good one is more satisfying overall
Save a relationship, inform them of their daughter
Help a teenager time travel
And help someone struggling with their fate

[tight pagoda]

Like I said, the KIM profile will say something that suggests you screwed up

[hearty pendant]

i'm beginning to understand why you don't like them

[flat tree]

"Yeah here's his entire premise"

[tight pagoda]

Awwwww I just realized that we probably won't know the Devil's Triad's birthdays!

[reef compass]

why not? dont they use KIM?

[tight pagoda]

Though I think you can still reset them?

[balmy storm]

They use KIM still

Also we’ll find out with the reset

I can easily see them being in a loop too tbh

[tight pagoda]

Just wondering how that'll work with XX99 not being part of the 1999 time loop

[balmy storm]

It can just be another loop

[reef compass]

yeah its definitely another containment

[solid otter]

They use the one in tbe sanctum, which.. isnt apart of the xx99 or 1999 loop

[tight pagoda]

Albrecht testing the timeloop technology on Roathe as punishment before getting it set up in 1999

[balmy storm]

Time still continues to happen despite the loops

[tight pagoda]

Makes sense

[balmy storm]

He did go to 1899 before 1999 so that makes sense

[reef compass]

and it's Roathe's containment yeah

[balmy storm]

Albrecht’s Exile

[reef compass]

wait, wait, wait, does that mean that Albrecht learnt Drifter's trick?

[tight pagoda]

From Duviri potentially, yes

[solid otter]

Albrecht knows how to make a loop somehow, yes.

[tight pagoda]

"Drifter's" trick

[balmy storm]

?

[reef compass]

right he was the teacher there

so he learned somehow

[tight pagoda]

Drifter in quotes because they didn't intentionally make the loop

[balmy storm]

Albrecht figured out how to make a timeloop, potentially from Thrax’s loop of Duviri

[solid otter]

We only changed it, according to Loid

[balmy storm]

Nor were they in control of it or Duviri til they got the throne where they promptly gave it up to save Teshin

[reef compass]

but the loop was basically Drifter's right? Thrax took his power as Drifter was the creator

[balmy storm]

The Drifter also just has power over it now

[balmy storm]

No, the void was the creator
Drifter just supplied it with emotion and concepts of Duviri

Thrax was always the king

[reef compass]

I remember that Drifter was fine with Duviri for a while

[tight pagoda]

Thrax seemingly started the loop to keep drifter from aging further

[balmy storm]

Conceptual embodiment is just the void, as a thing, reacts to emotions and concepts and makes a thing from nothing

[balmy storm]

They were besties til Drifter grew up and wanted to leave

[tight pagoda]

Yeah Drifter was a kid and happy to play with Thrax, but eventually grew up and wanted to leave, but Thrax remained a child

[solid otter]

We know now why roathe needed to be in xx99, and why Albrecht kidnapped him

But like. Why did Albrecht feel compelled to stop the takeover of the gobmint

And why does Albrecht not like him, that isnt really answered

[tight pagoda]

KIMs will hopefully fill in those gaps

[balmy storm]

We don’t know if that’s why he framed him yet

[reef compass]

wait, maybe the whole reset didnt happen before Thrax took the power, so then Drifter learned to reset cause Thrax showed him how

[balmy storm]

It could be anything
It could be he flirted with Loid
Or said Kalymos isn’t cute

[reef compass]

but then that means that something that popped from the Void made a new thing

[tight pagoda]

I wonder if Roathe tried taking over because he's power hungry or because he was a good person

[balmy storm]

Thrax never took any power, he already had it???

[solid otter]

I still stand by the idea loid would mess Roathe's shit up for flirting with him

[reef compass]

time resetting needs to come from a desire of the Drifter, not from Thrax, that's how the Void works doesnt? cause if not then Void entities are learning stuff

not being expressed from emotions

[balmy storm]

No it doesn’t??

The void entities aren’t mindless puppets

[solid otter]

Also yall ever realised the quadruped version of the necramechs are just.

Kavats. Man liked kavats so much he made them into his defense system

[reef compass]

they arent I know but how people perceive is how they obtain stuff

[balmy storm]

They’re real now, they’ve been given actual form
Thrax controls Duviri, it can be through conceptual embodiment or because that’s how Duviri works

[reef compass]

the time reset might have been cast by Thrax first, but it came cause Drifter thought it could, lets say

[solid otter]

Thrax has left duviri, somewhat

[balmy storm]

The void doesn’t just take what you perceive

[balmy storm]

No???

[solid otter]

Wally is also probably a manifestation from CE

[reef compass]

yeah Wally is like that from Albrecht's dread

[tight pagoda]

I forgot the smaller enemies were also Necramechs, but now I'm wanting a usable 4 legged Necramech alongside Bonewidow and Voidrig

[solid otter]

Kavat skin for them when DE

They look so goobery

[balmy storm]

Ok
Drifter had the concept of Duviri in their mind and was going through it, the void reacts and makes Duviri, including Thrax
Thrax has power over Duviri as it’s ruler, especially when he sits on his throne

You sit on the throne, you control Duviri and the loop
Drifter does it
Neci does it
Thrax does it

[reef compass]

exactly, cause Drifter willed it

[solid otter]

Erm achtually the creator of The Tales Of Duviri is Euleria Entrati ☝️🤓

[balmy storm]

There’s no rule stating a void entity can’t conceptually embody anything either??

[balmy storm]

No, they didn’t will it…
That’s not how that works :/

Conceptual embodiment isn’t taking your will into account, it takes in your emotion, concepts within your mind but primarily emotion

You can’t control your own emotions

[reef compass]

precisely, it wasnt voluntary

[balmy storm]

They just
Happen

[tight pagoda]

"Will" implies voluntary

[reef compass]

right, sorry if I meant that

[balmy storm]

Duviri just
Happened
It has all its rules, real living thinking people born from the void and a story book a kid was clinging to

[uncut solar]

Word filter stopped me 3 times from writing this joke

[reef compass]

thats why i meant it was Drifter's trick, cause it came out involuntarily from him

[uncut solar]

This is not happening

[balmy storm]

But it’s not his trick

[reef compass]

the idea of the throne power

[solid otter]

... there's loops in duviri because its a book of tales.

A book of loops.

The loops exist in duviri because of the book.

[hearty pendant]

full control over duviri, especially in the void, includes the time in duviri
thrax could toss islands away from duviri at will, he can start a timeloop there

[balmy storm]

Drifter was only involved in the initial creation of Duviri

They couldn’t conceptually embody a way out for example

[reef compass]

i am not so sure

[solid otter]

I do hope Euleria gets to learn that Duviri is real

[reef compass]

involuntarily, I know

but it was emotions cascading out of control

[balmy storm]

I’m not sure what you aren’t sure about

[uncut solar]

"you want me to read the story again? From the beginning?"

[solid otter]

She might lose her shit but i think she might like it

[uncut solar]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[balmy storm]

Agreed

[reef compass]

definitely will need to happen someday

[tight pagoda]

I wonder if she'll ever reunite with Albrecht

[solid otter]

Reminder of her father? Mm. Maybe not so good

But to see her works realised, to see Conceptual Embodiment and to learn that drifter is living proof of eternalism? That would be good for her.

[solid otter]

I just want her to know Loid is okay

[reef compass]

not sure, I wonder where Tau arc will take us, if Albrecht pulls out early and the Indifference is calmed down maybe we will have some scenes and him going to the sanctum

that seems like too much of a good ending though

[solid otter]

She loves Albrecht, yes, but i do have a horrid feeling that he isn't making it out of this arc alive.

[obtuse gyro]

the who and what now

[balmy storm]

I doubt he’s living the Void War Arc tbh

[solid otter]

Can't hurt her twice

[flat tree]

He has racked up too much negative karma on good characters

[balmy storm]

No way Albrecht lives after everything he’s done

[reef compass]

he really is going "this might very definitely be the last thing I do and I will do it well" yeah

[flat tree]

He's meeting a fate although it will probably be better then Ballas's considering he has some good qualities

[balmy storm]

We have multiple groups who want him dead

[solid otter]

Dying in front of Loid is my guess

[hearty pendant]

i will be pleasantly surprised if he does

[tight pagoda]

I wonder if we'll have to kill him

[balmy storm]

I mean if he doesn’t then what? He goes missing? He’s an NPC?

[solid otter]

Wally's last attempt. Yk?

[balmy storm]

Let Tagfer do it

[reef compass]

and with Tagfer peeking going "YES" in the background

[flat tree]

"Yo Tenno I'm sorry for Hollvania and wanting you to nuke an entire city but you know live and learn, forgive and forget"

[solid otter]

But.

My delusional ass has a plan for when that happens

[balmy storm]

He says as I proceed to punch him over and over again

[solid otter]

I will live in denial.

[tight pagoda]

Like idk, maybe it gets to the point where he has to let the Indifference take him and possess him instead of Rusalka, and we kill both him and Wally

[undone lodge]

You can change her skin colour?

[tight pagoda]

That's the Naberus skin which is pale by default

[undone lodge]

Ah

[balmy storm]

We know Rebb wants Albrecht and Loid to kiss
And
What better time to do that but when he dies?

[uncut solar]

Begin again with every punch

[solid otter]

EXACTLY

[balmy storm]

Real

[solid otter]

RIGHT THEN.

[reef compass]

I also want him to survive. Actions have consequences and they can't happen if he is dead.

[flat tree]

"Reclaim your pixels from the Indifference"

[obtuse gyro]

wait how do we know all these things

[solid otter]

But dw I'll be delusional and think the Albrecht we see die is actually wally-Albrecht mocking loid you see

[tight pagoda]

You made that joke already

[balmy storm]

Void war arc will def have
Wally gets finger
We find out what we owe him
The old men kiss

[flat tree]

I'm doing it twice

recylcing is good for the planet

[hoary bone]

Guys, are we gonna be honest sorry to interrupt right here, but I’mma show you a picture. Are we all going to agree? This is basically the last fight/the ending of new war

[tight pagoda]

It was funny both times

[balmy storm]

They said he went to a lot of 99s before 1999
He also def went there before his last 1999 trip

[flat tree]

Not enough Wally

[tight pagoda]

Yeah but it's better for Lotus to kill him than it was us

[obtuse gyro]

who is they?

[balmy storm]

Rebb? During the stream?

[tight pagoda]

DE last devstream when they revealed XX99

[obtuse gyro]

The latest one?

[flat tree]

I wonder how Alad V will pop up back into the Narrative in some way

[solid otter]

Aint he dying on eris or something

[uncut solar]

No

[balmy storm]

I think it was the one before that, whenever they showed it off for the first time

[hoary bone]

We got it revealed. It’s actually. 1799 or 1899

[uncut solar]

Alad V figured how to stop the Infestation from melting his brain

Joined New War efforts trying to switch teams

And went into hiding afterwards

[reef compass]

if Alad V turns out being even pre Orokin and having worked with the Sentients in the past...

[tight pagoda]

It's officially still just XX99

[hoary bone]

Wait, that’s a Roman numeral

[tight pagoda]

For 20

[uncut solar]

He is still alive and kicking, they confirmed it. Won't take any extra effort

[solid otter]

... oh

[tight pagoda]

Actually cooking here, it's 2099 this whole time

[solid otter]

Is that why people were adamant it was 2099?

[reef compass]

yeah Alad V is confirmed he is coming back somehow

[flat tree]

Man is like mid 30s in Corpus Years

[uncut solar]

Somehow?

[balmy storm]

@obtuse gyro 26 mins in https://www.youtube.com/live/KJqHXg1RkUg?si=h7mUQVsLFI0nrMv1

[uncut solar]

He just wasn't on the ship when it exploded

[tight pagoda]

But they did have something in the website calling it 1899, but they removed that image so we can't take that as a guarantee

[hoary bone]

So it’s probably around the or if I’m thinking what what’s wait it could be void language so it could be a void number maybe something else in void

[solid otter]

Voidtongue? Do we have numbers for voidtongue yet?

[balmy storm]

It also said the location which was essentially france which we kinda figured i think

[tight pagoda]

Gaulle I think

[reef compass]

yeah France is pretty much obvious

[balmy storm]

Ye

[solid otter]

Btw the name it has only comes up to like. A president or a airport

President? France has a president yeah?

Idk i aint french

[flat tree]

I just realized how weird bearded drifters are probably going to look

[tight pagoda]

When I think of Gaul I think of Asterix and Obelisk

[reef compass]

then again it could have been Canada in the future lol

[balmy storm]

Lmao

[balmy storm]

Nah that’s Canata

[solid otter]

Tbf thats Rebb being silly

It probably would look a lot better later

[hoary bone]

In history during the Catholic awakening, they said in France it was around 1789 so if we add 10 more years, that would possibly be 1799

[balmy storm]

Megan made that Drifter

[solid otter]

OH

[balmy storm]

She’s the one behind the controls now

[solid otter]

DAMMIT.

[hearty pendant]

with steve's guidance

[balmy storm]

Cause Rebb is the director now

[hoary bone]

So if it’s about SOL And Lua and it was based around something like that it would probably mean it would be 1799

[tight pagoda]

Technically Steve made her do that

[balmy storm]

With albrecht’s steve’s guidance

[solid otter]

He do be lookin like steve

[reef compass]

then that means Orokin influence goes even further back

maybe thats why the whole mexican sentients deal

[balmy storm]

No way Albrecht isn’t in some way a reference to Steve
I believe they said it wasn’t but it’s gotta be like
An unconscious design

[hoary bone]

Sol and Lua or actually a religion from the beginning of the universe that’s what their gods are in that universe so they don’t get like religiously political with oh this in that that’s why they made that

[solid otter]

Mm? No? Sol/lua as a religion predates the orokin by a long shot. The orokin are relatively recent compared to that.

[balmy storm]

Dualism and the Orokin aren’t the same thing

[reef compass]

oh they adopted it? but there was orokin language in 1999 right?

[solid otter]

The Orokin follow the vain faith

[balmy storm]

The Orokin ditched Dualism eventually for the Vain faith

[reef compass]

thats why i assumed they also introduced dualism

[tight pagoda]

Yeah but for all we know that's the Warframe version of the common Latin alphabet

[solid otter]

Which is, they themselves are the gods

[balmy storm]

At most they used it with Scaldra, back before the Orokin were the Orokin

[hearty pendant]

it's similar, but not the orokin language
i feel like the orokin script used in the comic isn't 100% trustworthy for lore purposes, though it is notable

[balmy storm]

They dropped dualism cause they’re totally the real gods now, worship them not the celestial bodies

[solid otter]

Scaldra are misusing the religion too, interestingly enough.

[balmy storm]

Scaldra soldiers speak Orokin

[hoary bone]

Actually, orkin language is actually just old tongue because you know how one of the guys went back. I think it could be that drifted my left something behind that made it

[tight pagoda]

Hell the comic itself feels only loosely connected at points

[balmy storm]

It’s a clear ploy like most things they do

[hoary bone]

Or think about it what if it’s just like an old language made mixed with some new void tongue

[balmy storm]

Oh noo there’s some techrot, time to flush out all the citizens! Whaaat? No we wouldn’t put in our own people instead, this isn’t a plot!

[reef compass]

with mexican sentients going on it could be anything at this rate x_x

[solid otter]

Viktor does seem genuinely apart of it, just.. zoinked out on fumes

[balmy storm]

I mean the sentients do just have knowledge of Old Earth

[balmy storm]

True lmao

[solid otter]

So does Loid, the sentients aint special

[reef compass]

but... but HOW?! xD

[balmy storm]

Real

[tight pagoda]

It's weird we've never seen Viktor in person with all his clothes

[flat tree]

huh?

[balmy storm]

Idk but they do
Probably hacked a secret orokin archive or something

[solid otter]

Wow.. a orokin archive..

[hoary bone]

Wait a minute techrot is the infection and then later on I think the Olin modfid it that’s all they got for all language from the old data from the old tech port right

[balmy storm]

See; the Archons

[tight pagoda]

The model exists since he's not shirtless during transmissions

[reef compass]

you mean an Orokin Archive? hmmmm

[tight pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[hoary bone]

Remember some war frame were people that got turned into it and like lavos

[balmy storm]

All warframes were people

[tight pagoda]

All Warframes were people that got turned into it

[solid otter]

It could be worse.... nah better if he had the tattoos he was supposed to have

[hearty pendant]

the one exception is xaku, who is 3 people /s

[hoary bone]

Lavos was a special case he was never gave the infection

[reef compass]

For now (just have to say it)

[balmy storm]

What?

[hoary bone]

He was a prison guard that got changed into by the prisoner. He was guarding, and he was supposed to execute.

[solid otter]

Give viktor back his gay egotistical tattoos please

[balmy storm]

No? He was always a warframe??

[tight pagoda]

2027 has a (second) Warframe baby

[tropic venture]

We have no idea how Lavos became a Warframe

[balmy storm]

Lavos was a Warframe prison guard that was later gifted his abilities

[balmy storm]

Oh
Well the baby was still human too, just not grown

[flat tree]

"I assure this femboy inspired by old earth folklore will greatly help the cause against the sentients"

[tight pagoda]

That's why I specified second

[hoary bone]

No, his lore transformation was different a prisoner that was using an alchemy tournament or taught him that so basically he turned himself by using alchemy not the infection

[reef compass]

Javi figured out the process with transmutation, wasn't that it?

[balmy storm]

Javi just knew science lol

[tropic venture]

He was already a Warframe upon being assigned to Javi

[tight pagoda]

No, he was the jailer/warden/torturer of that prisoner

[balmy storm]

That’s what his alchemy was

[solid otter]

Oh yeah chat, i was kinda right about this being a clock or a map

[hoary bone]

Can we get an actual fact, someone go to codex

[tight pagoda]

Yeah that was obviously some sort of astrolabe

[tropic venture]

That is extremely obvious ngl

[tight pagoda]

Thomas you deserve the Captain Obvious Honoria